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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,490
    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policies

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
    Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,899
    vik said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    algarkirk said:

    If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.

    Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.

    A coup is taking place in the USA. Is a counter-coup out of the question?
    President Vance might be worse.
    That's an interesting question

    Although Vance is arguably more dangerous than Trump, he has none of the personal support

    Truss was more dangerous than BoZo, but the Tories had no qualms about ditching her compared to him

    I think if trump falls, the GOP try and claim a return to sanity which they won't let Vance mess up
    Vance is part of the regime, and has (publicly at least) been in lock-step with Trump over the tariffs. The poison us on his hands, too.
    There are quite a few true believers like that in the administration.
    I don't think this resolves itself quickly.
    There are only two ways it can be resolved:

    1) The Senate & the House find a backbone & take away Trump's power to set tariffs.

    OR

    2) The courts step in & issue an injunction blocking the tariffs.

    (A conservative group funded by Charles Koch is suing Trump over the tariffs. The fact that the plaintiffs are conservatives leads me to think that they must have pretty solid legal grounds for suing. Also, when the case reaches the Supreme Court, there is a high likelihood that at least Thomas & possibly also Alito might rule in favour, if Charles Koch is one of the parties to the dispute.)
    The really interesting thing will be if the Supreme Court rules against Trump and he refuses to accept it, as he has the judgments of other courts.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,968

    The Senate appear to be, tentatively, growing some balls, but it will mean nothing if the House Speaker continues to block anything.

    The House Speaker is not invulnerable
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,223
    edited April 7

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?
    Mountain Dew
    Factoid - Fanta was only created because Coke Cola stopped supplying their German distributor, so they made their own fizzy drink with surplus / waste proudcts.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,648
    Worrying article in the National:

    https://x.com/twlldun/status/1909144910655013027
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policies

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
    Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?
    Tories should be ahead of Labour given the councils up this time and Con/Lab levellish in the polls.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,358

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?
    Play safe: Irn Bru...
    When I was very young I wouldn’t drink it as I genuinely believed it was made in Scotland from girders and the colour/ flavour was sugary rust.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214

    Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.

    Sorry, Elon, you're too late. You're associated with it now.
    And even more importantly, Musk is associated with himself. It wasn't anyone else doing Nazi salutes at the inauguration and he has said and done what he said and did.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,763
    "Lloyds Bank business customers and whistleblowers have accused it of failing small firms as it tried to reduce lending after the financial crash of 2008.

    Business owners who borrowed from Lloyds around that time have told the BBC their firms collapsed after the bank introduced them to its Business Support Unit (BSU), intended for clients it considered were struggling.

    A whistleblower told Panorama there was a "pattern" of "pigeonholing" small businesses as "distressed" when they were "salvageable".

    Lloyds said it "categorically denied" the allegations and its BSU "supported many thousands of customers".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy70d2vgempo
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,076

    Worrying article in the National:

    https://x.com/twlldun/status/1909144910655013027

    "See that Starmer? He's just like Stalin, yeah? Orwell wrote Animal Farm, so they must be the same!"

    (narrator: Trump has overriden the courts, purged his competitors, installed loyalists in crucial posts (and killing people in the process) and is deporting people without trial to external exile)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,490
    Taz said:

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?
    Play safe: Irn Bru...
    When I was very young I wouldn’t drink it as I genuinely believed it was made in Scotland from girders and the colour/ flavour was sugary rust.
    What do you mean 'believed' Past tense???
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,358

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?
    Sprite is produced by the same company that makes coca-cola and coca-cola is produced in the U.K. at several locations.

  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,383

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    Ha! Like Claude Raines throwing the Vichy Water in the bin at the end of Casablanca.
  • vikvik Posts: 222
    edited April 7
    Scott_xP said:

    The Senate appear to be, tentatively, growing some balls, but it will mean nothing if the House Speaker continues to block anything.

    The House Speaker is not invulnerable
    The Democrats can use a Discharge Petition to bring it to a floor vote, even if Johnson is trying to block it.

    They used it just last week to force a successful vote on proxy voting for Congresspersons who are new parents. Johnson was trying to block it, but couldn't do anything other than sulking & then putting the House into recess for a few days.

    https://www.axios.com/2025/04/02/mike-johnson-anna-paulina-luna-proxy-voting
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,763
    edited April 7

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policies

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
    Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?
    Nope, Labour London and the big city councils are not having local elections this year and nor are Scotland and Wales.

    Only provincial England is having local elections this May for county and unitary councils and the English shires, from farmers to pensioners to small business owners and now the disabled too absolutely despise this Labour government
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,243
    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Question. Did anyone predict negative 2025 US growth in the competition? I'm on 1.8%

    I went for -1%

    I think I am the only one on contraction.
    Autocorrect removed the minus sign from my figure :wink:
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,490
    edited April 7
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policies

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
    Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?
    Nope, Labour London and the big city councils are not having local elections this year and nor are Scotland and Wales.

    Only provincial England is having local elections this May for county and unitary councils and the English shires, from farmers to pensioners to small business owners and now the disabled too absolutely despise this Labour government
    This pensioner, and user of care services, doesn't. Fair point about Tories being 3rd though.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,544

    Worrying article in the National:

    https://x.com/twlldun/status/1909144910655013027

    OTT headline and a long whinge from the labour left wing about the most successful Labour PM since Tony Blair.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,364
    Taz said:

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?
    Play safe: Irn Bru...
    When I was very young I wouldn’t drink it as I genuinely believed it was made in Scotland from girders and the colour/ flavour was sugary rust.
    And now you are older, you KNOW it to be true...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,964

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.

    I noted this too
    Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....
    Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.
    Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.
    I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.
    He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
    Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
    According to my grandfather's diary (and Robert Graves), it was "too late, chum." and a bayonet.

    There were stories that it was a punishment thing, by the Germans and that in some cases the machine gunners were *chained* to the gun. Though this was almost certainly misunderstanding of the way that the Germans carried their heavy machine guns - it involved a kind of harness to carry the load of the gun, which ended with a chain attached to the gun.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,964
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    scampi25 said:

    scampi25 said:

    FTSE now down 4.5% Dax 7% - less bad than Asia - maybe stabilising. Could be worse....

    It will be! Another 10-15% to come in my mind.
    Not sure. Got to be people with cash looking at the cheap prices ..
    Market crashes overshoot and then bounce back fairly quickly. My best guess would be the Dow bottoms out around 30-33k and ends the year around 40k. Buying now for long term is not terrible imo, but is really bad if any chance of getting spooked and selling in next few weeks.
    Trump will surely change course well before the DOW gets down to 30,000. Although the US was arguably due a correction anyway, making one your own fault isn't smart for any politician.
    What does Trump changing course look like?

    Not increasing China tariffs to 76% perhaps? He can't just row them back completely and quickly.
    He's done so once already.

    Congress is getting its act together to challenge his legal ability to act using emergency powers that were designed for a wartime situation.
    They could repeal the act by which they handed power over tariffs to the President... That was created originally so that the Roosevelt could undo Smoot–Hawley piecemeal by executive order.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,061
    The penguin could be adopted by the “resistance” - MAGA hats v Penguin Hats, 🐧
  • glwglw Posts: 10,340

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    👊🇬🇧🔥
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    algarkirk said:

    If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.

    Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.

    A coup is taking place in the USA. Is a counter-coup out of the question?
    President Vance might be worse.
    That's an interesting question

    Although Vance is arguably more dangerous than Trump, he has none of the personal support

    Truss was more dangerous than BoZo, but the Tories had no qualms about ditching her compared to him

    I think if trump falls, the GOP try and claim a return to sanity which they won't let Vance mess up
    Vance is part of the regime, and has (publicly at least) been in lock-step with Trump over the tariffs. The poison us on his hands, too.
    There are quite a few true believers like that in the administration.
    I don't think this resolves itself quickly.
    I don't think Vance is a true believer.
    But he's very canny and he wants to be President.
    So he is cynically out Trumping Trump to keep Trump's goodwill.

    I suspect that his preferred route to the Presidency is to win in 2028 with Trump's endorsement, which he hasn't yet got.

    But if it looks as if the GOP is wrecked by Trump and will lose in 2028, Vance will have to move to Plan B, 25th Amendment, and an "Adult in Charge" campaign running up to Nov 2028.
    Not to mention that Trump is 79 in a couple of months and the VP is a heartbeat from the presidency.
    That's the desperate Plan C. Shock and enrage Trump with a very public display of disloyalty (Vance starts 25th Amendment process) that Trump has a heart attack/stroke and dies or is disabled.
    It's not so much a plan as a known unknown. Vance took the Actuaries Gambit when he signed on last year. Frankly, the odds were pretty attractive from his point of view. Whether the price was worth it is something time will tell.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,518
    Taz said:

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?
    Sprite is produced by the same company that makes coca-cola and coca-cola is produced in the U.K. at several locations.

    Yes, I think that was noneoftheabove's point.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,408
    This is an example of SOMETHING.

    Republican Senator Keith Self quotes Joseph Goebbels:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRBUrk_8jZ4

    Not his first time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Self
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,902

    Worrying article in the National:

    https://x.com/twlldun/status/1909144910655013027

    OTT headline and a long whinge from the labour left wing about the most successful Labour PM since Tony Blair.
    It's the 3 am knock on the door, the arrest, the taking away to unknown destination, the brief show trial, the bullet, all those things we have got used to so painfully in the past few months in formerly peaceful England.

    As to New England however......
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,408

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policies

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
    Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?
    4th also being their starting position ... and the fieldwork on that poll having been done between the 1st and the 10th of March.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,070

    Worrying article in the National:

    https://x.com/twlldun/status/1909144910655013027

    Not really. We all know that the National isn’t fit to wrap chips in and nonsense like that simply confirms it.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,646
    Chris said:

    vik said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    algarkirk said:

    If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.

    Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.

    A coup is taking place in the USA. Is a counter-coup out of the question?
    President Vance might be worse.
    That's an interesting question

    Although Vance is arguably more dangerous than Trump, he has none of the personal support

    Truss was more dangerous than BoZo, but the Tories had no qualms about ditching her compared to him

    I think if trump falls, the GOP try and claim a return to sanity which they won't let Vance mess up
    Vance is part of the regime, and has (publicly at least) been in lock-step with Trump over the tariffs. The poison us on his hands, too.
    There are quite a few true believers like that in the administration.
    I don't think this resolves itself quickly.
    There are only two ways it can be resolved:

    1) The Senate & the House find a backbone & take away Trump's power to set tariffs.

    OR

    2) The courts step in & issue an injunction blocking the tariffs.

    (A conservative group funded by Charles Koch is suing Trump over the tariffs. The fact that the plaintiffs are conservatives leads me to think that they must have pretty solid legal grounds for suing. Also, when the case reaches the Supreme Court, there is a high likelihood that at least Thomas & possibly also Alito might rule in favour, if Charles Koch is one of the parties to the dispute.)
    The really interesting thing will be if the Supreme Court rules against Trump and he refuses to accept it, as he has the judgments of other courts.
    But neither thing will solve the fundamental issues that the markets have which is

    1) the USA is no longer the reliable market everyone thought it was regardless of what congress / courts do
    2) its likely that the world is going to be cautious going forward so the previous gung ho market viewpoint isn’t valid
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,968
    He's gone full Truss...

    @NicholasABrown_

    * TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES

    * TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION

    https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,364
    MattW said:

    This is an example of SOMETHING.

    Republican Senator Keith Self quotes Joseph Goebbels:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRBUrk_8jZ4

    Not his first time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Self

    Not very Self aware?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,070
    algarkirk said:

    Worrying article in the National:

    https://x.com/twlldun/status/1909144910655013027

    OTT headline and a long whinge from the labour left wing about the most successful Labour PM since Tony Blair.
    It's the 3 am knock on the door, the arrest, the taking away to unknown destination, the brief show trial, the bullet, all those things we have got used to so painfully in the past few months in formerly peaceful England.

    As to New England however......
    They are still not likely to shoot you but you may wake up in El Salvador with a less than gracious cell mate.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,646
    Scott_xP said:

    He's gone full Truss...

    @NicholasABrown_

    * TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES

    * TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION

    https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419

    Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.

    So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.

    He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,607
    edited April 7

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    I suspect @Roger is right. Done in-house, probably in a hurry by someone who was told to do 'something ..... anything' but has never really thought about advertising before.
    Is it not just a basic failure to understand ones' opponents that so many on the left exhibit? Clearly Labour staffers/agencies believe that everyone who votes for Reform is a flat out racist, and would be appalled at the idea that Nigel is similar to an uppity Nigerian woman or would 'let her in' somehow by the back door. How can you possibly hope to reach a group with messaging if your understanding of their concerns is limited to a two-dimensional caricature?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,968
    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,763
    edited April 7

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policies

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
    Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?
    Nope, Labour London and the big city councils are not having local elections this year and nor are Scotland and Wales.

    Only provincial England is having local elections this May for county and unitary councils and the English shires, from farmers to pensioners to small business owners and now the disabled too absolutely despise this Labour government
    This pensioner, and user of care services, doesn't. Fair point about Tories being 3rd though.
    Of the councils having elections the Tories are forecast to come first and win most councillors (though Reform would have won most seats had Essex, Norfolk and Suffolk not delayed their elections the forecast projects)


    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,332
    Paging @Leon

    Threads is to be remade as a TV series.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,763
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policies

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
    Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?
    4th also being their starting position ... and the fieldwork on that poll having been done between the 1st and the 10th of March.
    No, in the 2021 local elections when these seats were last up Labour were second behind the Tories but still winning more county and unitary councillors than the LDs. Now Labour are forecast to collapse to 4th with even fewer county and unitary councillors than the LDs and Reform and the Tories still top

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_Kingdom_local_elections
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Hats off to Trump. He is doing a great job of reducing the inequality gap. Middle class will be pauperised soon. Winning.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,332
    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,325

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    I suspect @Roger is right. Done in-house, probably in a hurry by someone who was told to do 'something ..... anything' but has never really thought about advertising before.
    Ever watched the Apprentice? As bad as that is, it is far more polished than a total newbies work.
    But this is Trump's second presidency.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,763
    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Why? You may dislike his policies but for now he remains all powerful and will remain so until at least the midterms
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,332
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He's gone full Truss...

    @NicholasABrown_

    * TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES

    * TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION

    https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419

    Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.

    So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.

    He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different
    Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Scott_xP said:

    He's gone full Truss...

    @NicholasABrown_

    * TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES

    * TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION

    https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419

    Cant we just create a reality show for him where he pretends to be president complete with cheering crowds and a golf course adjacent to the whitehouse.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,374

    Paging @Leon

    Threads is to be remade as a TV series.

    But why a remake instead of something new? It's not that the story was particularly special, it's just that the presentation was direct and brutal.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,435
    @TSE I've sent you a message
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,607

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He's gone full Truss...

    @NicholasABrown_

    * TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES

    * TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION

    https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419

    Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.

    So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.

    He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different
    Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.
    They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,435
    Foss said:

    Paging @Leon

    Threads is to be remade as a TV series.

    But why a remake instead of something new? It's not that the story was particularly special, it's just that the presentation was direct and brutal.
    It's hard to recapture lightning in a bottle
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,678
    edited April 7
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Why? You may dislike his policies but for now he remains all powerful and will remain so until at least the midterms
    You're not really hip with these "memes" the kids are going on about on that there "internet", are you?

    http://downfall.urbanup.com/4538376
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,325
    Taz said:

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?
    Sprite is produced by the same company that makes coca-cola and coca-cola is produced in the U.K. at several locations.

    Coke contributes more to our visible trade deficit with Japan than the US.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,332
    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵


    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    ·
    57m
    This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.

    https://x.com/SteveDavies365/status/1909189100311085064
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    Sean_F said:

    @TSE I've sent you a message

    Received.


    Just replied.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,559
    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policies

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
    Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?
    4th also being their starting position ... and the fieldwork on that poll having been done between the 1st and the 10th of March.
    No, in the 2021 local elections when these seats were last up Labour were second behind the Tories but still winning more county and unitary councillors than the LDs. Now Labour are forecast to collapse to 4th with even fewer county and unitary councillors than the LDs and Reform and the Tories still top

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_Kingdom_local_elections
    Mainly because the Tories have 100s of spare seats to lose to raise Reform and LD and keep themselves above Labour even if Labour seats stay fairly static from 2021.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,325

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    algarkirk said:

    If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.

    Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.

    A coup is taking place in the USA. Is a counter-coup out of the question?
    President Vance might be worse.
    That's an interesting question

    Although Vance is arguably more dangerous than Trump, he has none of the personal support

    Truss was more dangerous than BoZo, but the Tories had no qualms about ditching her compared to him

    I think if trump falls, the GOP try and claim a return to sanity which they won't let Vance mess up
    Vance is part of the regime, and has (publicly at least) been in lock-step with Trump over the tariffs. The poison us on his hands, too.
    There are quite a few true believers like that in the administration.
    I don't think this resolves itself quickly.
    I don't think Vance is a true believer.
    But he's very canny and he wants to be President.
    So he is cynically out Trumping Trump to keep Trump's goodwill.

    I suspect that his preferred route to the Presidency is to win in 2028 with Trump's endorsement, which he hasn't yet got.

    But if it looks as if the GOP is wrecked by Trump and will lose in 2028, Vance will have to move to Plan B, 25th Amendment, and an "Adult in Charge" campaign running up to Nov 2028.
    Not to mention that Trump is 79 in a couple of months and the VP is a heartbeat from the presidency.
    That's the desperate Plan C. Shock and enrage Trump with a very public display of disloyalty (Vance starts 25th Amendment process) that Trump has a heart attack/stroke and dies or is disabled.
    It's not so much a plan as a known unknown. Vance took the Actuaries Gambit when he signed on last year. Frankly, the odds were pretty attractive from his point of view. Whether the price was worth it is something time will tell.
    As a good(?) Catholic, I'm sure he's aware of Matthew 16:26
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,587

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He's gone full Truss...

    @NicholasABrown_

    * TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES

    * TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION

    https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419

    Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.

    So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.

    He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different
    Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.
    They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.
    Oh yes, let's have Donald Trump setting interest rates as well.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,052
    edited April 7

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He's gone full Truss...

    @NicholasABrown_

    * TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES

    * TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION

    https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419

    Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.

    So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.

    He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different
    Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.
    They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.
    Ah, you're getting ready to blame the Fed in the same way you blamed the OBR for Truss. Powell's assertion of his independence is one of the few things holding the US economy together at the moment.

    "Murky".
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,100
    edited April 7

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.

    I noted this too
    Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....
    Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.
    Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.
    I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.
    He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
    Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
    As the trenches had right angle bends every few yards to minmise bombardmnt casualities and this tactic , I guessing this is a post-wartime myth?
    E.g. USA Training trenches 1917
    https://openorangenc.org/sites/default/files/images/u18/1918trenchmap.jpg
  • glwglw Posts: 10,340

    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵


    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    ·
    57m
    This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.

    https://x.com/SteveDavies365/status/1909189100311085064

    Yep, to be fair though thoughts like "maybe he is the next Hitler?" are a tad disturbing and something you can easily understand people wanting to disregard.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,408
    edited April 7
    algarkirk said:

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    This Trumpy thing has cut through to loads of people in the UK who take no interest in news, don't engage at all with politics, and especially take no interest in news or politics in abroadland. There are millions of these.

    I think a precipitating feature is the threat to Canada. Non political types like Canada. They know someone who has an aunt there. It is an icon of harmlessness and generalised decency.

    More locally, in Cumbria, where I have lived for decades, there is a strong quiet aversion to people who big themselves up and draw attention to themselves. Trump scores a bit sub-optimally there too. He is begining to get a quiet mention here and there as not altogether a satisfactory person. It's even been mentioned in church, ('he isn't always very nice is he?') though not yet to the extent of knocking the coffee rota off prime spot.
    The one that really stood out for me was with the UK military community, when Vance deprecated (I'm being polite) all those who had served alongside USA service people in Iraq and Afghanistan - of whom from this country there were more than 250k.

    You can say a lot of things around the operations. Pouring vitriol on the graves of their 800+ dead colleagues is not one of them.

    That covers quite a chunk of the Reform UK support.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,964
    sarissa said:


    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.

    I noted this too
    Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....
    Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.
    Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.
    I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.
    He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
    Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
    As the trenches had right angle bends every few yards to minmise bombardmnt casualities and this tactic , I guessing this is a post-wartime myth?
    E.g. USA Training trenches 1917
    https://openorangenc.org/sites/default/files/images/u18/1918trenchmap.jpg
    Machine guns were sited so as to have wide fields of fire. So that multiple guns could be brought be bear on a particular spot. This wasn't about shooting down the trench, but keeping the area in front of the trenches swept with bullets.

    Hence the Race To The Parapet during an attack - the attackers, waiting in No Mans Land, behind the artillery barrage, vs the soldiers in the deep bunkers waiting for the barrage to finish. When it did, the attackers would charge, and the bunker occupants would race back to the surface to get their machine guns set up.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198
    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    https://x.com/ryanradia/status/1909023767281426917?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,332
    glw said:

    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵


    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    ·
    57m
    This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.

    https://x.com/SteveDavies365/status/1909189100311085064

    Yep, to be fair though thoughts like "maybe he is the next Hitler?" are a tad disturbing and something you can easily understand people wanting to disregard.
    JD Vance certainly has.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,332
    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He's gone full Truss...

    @NicholasABrown_

    * TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES

    * TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION

    https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419

    Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.

    So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.

    He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different
    Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.
    They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.
    Oh yes, let's have Donald Trump setting interest rates as well.
    "Do the rates have to be positive? Why don't we make them negative? Then the banks give people who take loans out, extra cash to spend. Why has no one thought of this before? I am a bigly genius."
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,616
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.

    Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.

    While Putin may want to rebuild the USSR even he has said he does not want to invade Western Europe
    You believe him?

    Maybe he doesn't need to if he can get Special Agent Donald to do it for him.
    He won't, for starters as France and the UK have nuclear weapons and if he invaded a NATO nation it would be WW3 even if the US stayed neutral
    Neutral? That's a bit optimistic.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    glw said:

    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵


    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    ·
    57m
    This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.

    https://x.com/SteveDavies365/status/1909189100311085064

    Yep, to be fair though thoughts like "maybe he is the next Hitler?" are a tad disturbing and something you can easily understand people wanting to disregard.
    You cant have politics as a gameshow no matter how entertaining it is. But we are all guilty. If you want to have a properly functioning democracy you have to take time to undetstand the issues . If you are unable to do that you shouldnt vote.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,325
    Orange Monday is trending.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,968
    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    https://x.com/ryanradia/status/1909023767281426917?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    :)

    Sadly unrealistic

    Bitcoin is down 7%...
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He's gone full Truss...

    @NicholasABrown_

    * TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES

    * TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION

    https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419

    Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.

    So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.

    He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different
    Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.
    They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.
    Oh yes, let's have Donald Trump setting interest rates as well.
    Think of Donald Trump as doing gods work. Making people like you poorer to reduce inequality.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,968
    Nigelb said:

    Orange Monday is trending.

    So is Liz Truss...
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    glw said:

    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵


    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    ·
    57m
    This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.

    https://x.com/SteveDavies365/status/1909189100311085064

    Yep, to be fair though thoughts like "maybe he is the next Hitler?" are a tad disturbing and something you can easily understand people wanting to disregard.
    We're not talking about Joe Public here though: these are highly-paid financial operatives whose job is to understand, predict and react in anticipation of this stuff.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,325
    Scott_xP said:

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    https://x.com/ryanradia/status/1909023767281426917?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    :)

    Sadly unrealistic

    Bitcoin is down 7%...
    Couple of days after Bessant called it a new "store of value".
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He's gone full Truss...

    @NicholasABrown_

    * TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES

    * TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION

    https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419

    Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.

    So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.

    He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different
    Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.
    They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.
    Oh yes, let's have Donald Trump setting interest rates as well.
    Because that sort of thing has worked out so well for Erdogan.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,175
    Jamie Dimon latest to come off the orange bandwagon
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,968
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    https://x.com/ryanradia/status/1909023767281426917?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    :)

    Sadly unrealistic

    Bitcoin is down 7%...
    Couple of days after Bessant called it a new "store of value".
    There is a line in The Big Short

    Something like "I want to know every investment that guy ever mentioned, and short the hell out of it..."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,763
    edited April 7
    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

    There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"
    "Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?
    It's an impolite way, but accurate.

    Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
    I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.
    Thanks Roger.

    It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
    It’s still on their Twitter feed



    If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
    Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policies

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
    Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?
    4th also being their starting position ... and the fieldwork on that poll having been done between the 1st and the 10th of March.
    No, in the 2021 local elections when these seats were last up Labour were second behind the Tories but still winning more county and unitary councillors than the LDs. Now Labour are forecast to collapse to 4th with even fewer county and unitary councillors than the LDs and Reform and the Tories still top

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_Kingdom_local_elections
    Mainly because the Tories have 100s of spare seats to lose to raise Reform and LD and keep themselves above Labour even if Labour seats stay fairly static from 2021.
    Though even accounting for that Electoral Calculus still forecasts Labour will lose in May 56 of the council seats they won even in 2021 (which was the last set of local elections Labour failed to win)

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,968
    Pulpstar said:

    Jamie Dimon latest to come off the orange bandwagon

    But he manages to do it without ever using naming Trump
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057
    This is worth a read, as a somewhat contrary view:

    https://unherd.com/2025/04/will-trump-win-his-tariff-stand-off/
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,678
    IanB2 said:

    This is worth a read, as a somewhat contrary view:

    https://unherd.com/2025/04/will-trump-win-his-tariff-stand-off/

    Never thought I'd read a contrarian viewpoint in Unheard.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,796
    For those that still believe that Trump's playing 4D chess (or those just looking for silver linings) - these lower oil prices will be hurting Russia bigly
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,968
    Fox News could do the World a favour by replacing their onscreen stock ticker with live Trump approval ratings
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198
    I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057
    edited April 7

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s n interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,325
    Lennon said:

    For those that still believe that Trump's playing 4D chess (or those just looking for silver linings) - these lower oil prices will be hurting Russia bigly

    It's not great for the US oil industry, either.
    And they are a net exporter.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,230
    I don't think anything Trump has done (or not done) so far is going to significantly alter his level of support with the people who voted for him in November.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,763
    edited April 7
    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think anything Trump has done (or not done) so far is going to significantly alter his level of support with the people who voted for him in November.

    His Maga core no, if the Independent swing voters who voted for him see their cost of living rise significantly though they could easily swing back to the Democrats ie the voters who voted for him or went third party in 2016, for Biden in 2020 and back to Trump again in 2024
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,027
    isam said:

    I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?

    Yes, I pointed out the same last week!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,968
    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think anything Trump has done (or not done) so far is going to significantly alter his level of support with the people who voted for him in November.

    https://bsky.app/profile/briantylercohen.bsky.social/post/3lm65bbp7zs2o
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,968
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?

    Yes, I pointed out the same last week!
    The issue is of course the credibility gap between what Trump says and what Trump does

    In his first term, Trump said he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue

    Nobody thought he would really do it

    Now when trump said we would kill the US economy, nobody thought he would really do it...
  • eekeek Posts: 29,646
    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s n interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    I wouldn’t say what he is doing in Bishop Auckland is particularly religious - but it focuses on the Bishop’s palace so it’s not surprising that it has a museum that focuses on faith there.

    The fact he’s continuing to keep things going when I don’t think it’s working that well is something that I highly respect
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057
    edited April 7
    isam said:

    I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?

    I’ve been withdrawing so much cash from my spread betting account late last week that they’re now asking me for bank statements and a stack of ID.

    The one thing that fooled me is that on the first day the US sunk but the UK didn’t, hence I closed out the UK position, only to see the UK indices sinking the day after.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,408
    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,242
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,325
    edited April 7
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    Stephen Miller - Goebbels.

    A suggestion with a long history.
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/5/1687333/-Trump-s-Stephen-Miller-and-Hitler-s-Joseph-Goebbels-are-chillingly-similar
  • glwglw Posts: 10,340
    edited April 7

    glw said:

    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵


    Steve Davies
    @SteveDavies365
    ·
    57m
    This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.

    https://x.com/SteveDavies365/status/1909189100311085064

    Yep, to be fair though thoughts like "maybe he is the next Hitler?" are a tad disturbing and something you can easily understand people wanting to disregard.
    We're not talking about Joe Public here though: these are highly-paid financial operatives whose job is to understand, predict and react in anticipation of this stuff.
    I've got to be honest I've not seen a lot of evidence in the last couple of decades for their being much correlation between high-pay and prescience.
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