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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513
    isam said:

    I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?

    Presumably because people thought Trump would be talked out of it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,348
    Trump: "there is NO INFLATION"

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    Welker: "What is your message to Americans...who have just seen their lifetime savings drop significantly?"

    Bessent: "That's a false narrative...

    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1908887101698900387
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    Asking for a friend.

    If you were offered a job with the title ‘General Counsel’ would it be vainglorious to insist your minions address you as ‘General’?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057
    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s n interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    I wouldn’t say what he is doing in Bishop Auckland is particularly religious - but it focuses on the Bishop’s palace so it’s not surprising that it has a museum that focuses on faith there.

    The fact he’s continuing to keep things going when I don’t think it’s working that well is something that I highly respect
    As Ruffer said back at the turn of the year, “We have built a portfolio that should thrive if conditions markedly worsen….”

    The irony is that the threats he foresaw were mostly economic, whereas deliverance has arrived from something almost entirely political.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075

    Asking for a friend.

    If you were offered a job with the title ‘General Counsel’ would it be vainglorious to insist your minions address you as ‘General’?

    General Shit Shoes
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,072
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?
    Sprite is produced by the same company that makes coca-cola and coca-cola is produced in the U.K. at several locations.

    Coke contributes more to our visible trade deficit with Japan than the US.
    Surely Columbia?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    edited April 7
    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?

    Presumably because people thought Trump would be talked out of it.
    That, and nobody knew the level and depths of the tariffs would be.

    A tariff of 1% would be difficult but able to absorbed by most, 20% less so.

    Also the key factor, there’s no rhyme nor reason to Trump’s approach to his (in)consistency as this confirms.


  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,612
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s n interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    I wouldn’t say what he is doing in Bishop Auckland is particularly religious - but it focuses on the Bishop’s palace so it’s not surprising that it has a museum that focuses on faith there.

    The fact he’s continuing to keep things going when I don’t think it’s working that well is something that I highly respect
    As Ruffer said back at the turn of the year, “We have built a portfolio that should thrive if conditions markedly worsen….”

    The irony is that the threats he foresaw were mostly economic, whereas deliverance has arrived from something almost entirely political.
    The people who look after my house deposit fund, Capital Gearing Trust - who do the same sort of wealth-preservation thing as Ruffer - spent years during Covid warning about inflation coming when others didn't. Then, when inflation came, they had the worst couple of years in decades. Being right when everyone else is wrong isn't enough it seems.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,163
    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s n interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    He was a Director of an investment trust that I used to manage, and I spent a lot of time with him over the years. We couldn't have been more different: I was always looking for the exciting, shiny, new techy thing; he was always worried about economic catastrophe.

    But, ultimately, he was a super smart, good guy, I really enjoyed spending time with.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,970
    edited April 7
    TRIP Leading – Rory and Alastair are joined by the ex-Tory Chief Whip, Simon Hart.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZXDwtgnWwk
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,409
    edited April 7
    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s an interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    It seems overwhelmingly to be heritage and social action (eg Church Urban Fund - which is an outstanding organisation). He was the one who provided the funds to keep the Zurbarán paintings in Durham some years - at the time these were the default brickbat in tabloid attacks on the Church of England. Plus:

    Ruffer gave an estimated £160 million to the development of Bishop Auckland Town in 2020. In total he has given one third of his wealth to the development of the Town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ruffer

    I'm sure that @Taz or @eek can explain more, but an investment like that would go a significant way towards mitigating 20 years of salami-slicing of a local authority.

    I wish we had a few like that - traditionally working class towns in the Midlands and North suffer badly from a lack of anchor institutions for the local economy, and a few very rich people with consciences can help mitigate.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,163
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.

    "Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"

    She put it back.

    Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?
    Sprite is produced by the same company that makes coca-cola and coca-cola is produced in the U.K. at several locations.

    Coke contributes more to our visible trade deficit with Japan than the US.
    Surely Columbia?
    I think that's in the invisibles category.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329

    Asking for a friend.

    If you were offered a job with the title ‘General Counsel’ would it be vainglorious to insist your minions address you as ‘General’?

    Surely you should be Counsel General ?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545
    sarissa said:


    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.

    I noted this too
    Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....
    Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.
    Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.
    I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.
    He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
    Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
    As the trenches had right angle bends every few yards to minmise bombardmnt casualities and this tactic , I guessing this is a post-wartime myth?
    E.g. USA Training trenches 1917
    https://openorangenc.org/sites/default/files/images/u18/1918trenchmap.jpg
    Just badly phrased, I think. Germans did indeed leave machine gunners behind when retreating, but they would be firing across no mans land, not in the trenches.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    Trump’s decision to single-handedly hobble the world economy and immiserate tens of millions of Americans has presented his fellow Republicans with a stark choice. Do they continue to kiss his orange butt and slavishly nod along to every nonsensical whim of their idiot Golfer King as he leads them into a recession and almost certain electoral apocalypse? Or do they defy him, splitting the party and opening themselves to a primary challenge … and possible electoral apocalypse?

    The good news is that some GOP senators and members of Congress are actually disturbed enough by the prospect of their voters starving in the street that they have taken steps to push back against this grotesquely self-destructive trade policy. The not so good news is that the pushback is hesitant and half-hearted — and the majority of the party remains ready to torture and impoverish their constituents for the greater glory of Trump.

    The tariffs, and the quick slide into economic calamity, have sparked real resistance. They’ve also demonstrated just how craven and/or hypnotized the GOP has become, and the extent to which most Republicans would do anything — literally anything — rather than point out that the emperor is wearing a grotesque meat suit made of the skin of his constituents.

    Republican dissent is a hopeful sign. The hard limits on it, though, given the magnitude of the crisis, are a bleak reminder of how we ended up in this nightmare to begin with. Any successful resistance is going to require a fair number of Republicans to abandon their orange idol. It’s good to see them starting to do that. But it’s undeniably grim that the fate of the nation rests to any degree at all on these, gutless, spineless, christofascist quislings.


    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-tariffs-republican-resistance
  • eekeek Posts: 29,653
    edited April 7
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s an interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    It seems overwhelmingly to be heritage and social action (eg Church Urban Fund - which is an outstanding organisation). He was the one who provided the funds to keep the Zurbarán paintings in Durham some years - at the time these were the default brickbat in tabloid attacks on the Church of England. Plus:

    Ruffer gave an estimated £160 million to the development of Bishop Auckland Town in 2020. In total he has given one third of his wealth to the development of the Town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ruffer

    I'm sure that @Taz or @eek can explain more, but an investment like that would go a significant way towards mitigating 20 years of salami-slicing of a local authority.

    I wish we had a few like that - traditionally working class towns in the Midlands and North suffer badly from a lack of anchor institutions for the local economy, and a few very rich people with consciences can help mitigate.
    It’s lovely but the museums are very, very middle class so the locals don’t really like it.

    The other problem is that Bishop Auckland is a pig to drive round so given the choice I’m more likely to head to Durham or the Bowes Museum in Barnard Castle. Add on Beamish and there is a lot of local attractions where locals and tourists can spend time and money so Bishop Auckland has a very tough battle compared to other places
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,522

    Asking for a friend.

    If you were offered a job with the title ‘General Counsel’ would it be vainglorious to insist your minions address you as ‘General’?

    https://youtu.be/Ly9UkxW7Fd8 is relevant.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057
    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s n interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    I wouldn’t say what he is doing in Bishop Auckland is particularly religious - but it focuses on the Bishop’s palace so it’s not surprising that it has a museum that focuses on faith there.

    The fact he’s continuing to keep things going when I don’t think it’s working that well is something that I highly respect
    As Ruffer said back at the turn of the year, “We have built a portfolio that should thrive if conditions markedly worsen….”

    The irony is that the threats he foresaw were mostly economic, whereas deliverance has arrived from something almost entirely political.
    The people who look after my house deposit fund, Capital Gearing Trust - who do the same sort of wealth-preservation thing as Ruffer - spent years during Covid warning about inflation coming when others didn't. Then, when inflation came, they had the worst couple of years in decades. Being right when everyone else is wrong isn't enough it seems.
    The problem with expecting a crash is that it usually takes much longer to arrive than you expect, and you can lose a lot of money during the period when it fails to arrive.

    Moneyweek magazine’s perpetual forecasts of a UK house price collapse during the 2010s is a classic example; following their advice would have been suicidal.

    Ruffer has been expecting a crash for some time, seeing that the issues thrown up by the 2008 debt crisis were never resolved and the reliance on debt since then has inexorably increased.

    Whether Trump’s idiocy delivering the crash means he was right, or simply lucky, is the question….
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,231
    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think anything Trump has done (or not done) so far is going to significantly alter his level of support with the people who voted for him in November.

    https://bsky.app/profile/briantylercohen.bsky.social/post/3lm65bbp7zs2o
    I should have added "in the long term" to my post. His support will fluctuate on a short term basis.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,243
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?

    I don't think even the pessimists expected anything quite as bananas as what Trump came up with.
    And the "I regard any trade deficit as a loss" is so batshit it makes any realistic negotiation with him impossible.

    A 10% tariff across the board, for example, might have encouraged, over time, onshoring of production at the margin, and would have raised a shitload of tax, while provoking only a fraction of the current response.
    While a lot of people (including me) would have argued against it, it wouldn't have been regarded as utterly irrational.

    As it is, we're dealing with a man who has completely lost what little sense he had.

    (FWIW, I did actually predict that he might crater the world economy with tariffs, before the election.
    Which was labelled TDS by some.)
    Oh indeed:

    The real Trump Derangement Sydrome, it turns out, was thinking that he wouldn't act in a batshit crazy way.
    From the perspective of now, TDS was a masterstroke of branding. There was some validity in the early days, but Deranged-by-Trump has become a deflection for Deranged-acts-by-Trump.

    But the consequences of admitting that he is a bad'un have been too much for his supporters to bear.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,163
    IanB2 said:

    This is worth a read, as a somewhat contrary view:

    https://unherd.com/2025/04/will-trump-win-his-tariff-stand-off/

    Munchau is absolutely right that the reason that Germany and China run trade surpluses is that they implement policies that surpress consumption (or, to put it another way, they encourage saving).

    And they do it to an excessive extent, which unbalances their economies.

    However, he (Munchau) is slightly guilty of the Sole Actor Fallacy: that is, assuming it is something that the Germans do to America. It is perfectly possible for a US government to implement policies that do the same.

    The correct way out of the current morass is for Germany and China to encourage domestic consumption (I've suggested ways to do this in the past), and for the US to implement measures that encourage greater household savings. The US government could also follow the Michael Pettis strategy of limiting the flow of foreign capital into the US, which would have a similar effect. (Because it is, effectively, the savings of Germans and Chinese that flow into US assets. If you could limit that flow, you would reduce the ability of US consumers to spend.)

    There's just one issue with this rebalancing strategy - and that is that it is likely to be extremely uncomfortable for the US in the short term, even if it results in a more balanced economy down the line.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545

    sarissa said:


    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.

    I noted this too
    Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....
    Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.
    Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.
    I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.
    He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
    Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
    As the trenches had right angle bends every few yards to minmise bombardmnt casualities and this tactic , I guessing this is a post-wartime myth?
    E.g. USA Training trenches 1917
    https://openorangenc.org/sites/default/files/images/u18/1918trenchmap.jpg
    Machine guns were sited so as to have wide fields of fire. So that multiple guns could be brought be bear on a particular spot. This wasn't about shooting down the trench, but keeping the area in front of the trenches swept with bullets.

    Hence the Race To The Parapet during an attack - the attackers, waiting in No Mans Land, behind the artillery barrage, vs the soldiers in the deep bunkers waiting for the barrage to finish. When it did, the attackers would charge, and the bunker occupants would race back to the surface to get their machine guns set up.
    Eventually. The plan as per The Somme, etc was that there would be no-one left after the prolonged bombardment. Add in the green-ness of the attacking troops (many of them Kitchener's battalions) and the commanders thought it best to simplify what they were asked to do - with disastrous consequences. One of the great ironies of July 1st, 1916 is that after the mass slaughter, many small packets of soldiers carried on attacking with somewhat greater success, as they were infiltrating, probing for weak spots rather than simply assaulting all along the line.

    Later in the war much shorter barrages, combined with creeping barrages, and the use of surprise, led to the British (including the dominions) achieving a way of victory on the Western Front. And if you pay attention, its strikingly similar to how Monty fought in WW2.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    Nigelb said:

    Orange Monday is trending.

    I think the TwiX algorithm in censoring it in real time now :)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,409

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?
    The quotes borked - my editing. To be clear the Twitter suggestion was isam .

    Doenitz? Hmmm.

    Are there any competentlong serving senior military officers in the regime? Doenitz had a continuous military career from WW1 to WW2 if I recall. Doenitz was also a Nazi, but joined (checking) in 1933 when Hitler was already on the way to power.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517

    Asking for a friend.

    If you were offered a job with the title ‘General Counsel’ would it be vainglorious to insist your minions address you as ‘General’?

    https://youtu.be/Ly9UkxW7Fd8 is relevant.
    Love it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057

    sarissa said:


    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.

    I noted this too
    Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....
    Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.
    Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.
    I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.
    He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
    Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
    As the trenches had right angle bends every few yards to minmise bombardmnt casualities and this tactic , I guessing this is a post-wartime myth?
    E.g. USA Training trenches 1917
    https://openorangenc.org/sites/default/files/images/u18/1918trenchmap.jpg
    Just badly phrased, I think. Germans did indeed leave machine gunners behind when retreating, but they would be firing across no mans land, not in the trenches.
    And they’d probably have been aged about 16
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,072
    eek said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s an interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    It seems overwhelmingly to be heritage and social action (eg Church Urban Fund - which is an outstanding organisation). He was the one who provided the funds to keep the Zurbarán paintings in Durham some years - at the time these were the default brickbat in tabloid attacks on the Church of England. Plus:

    Ruffer gave an estimated £160 million to the development of Bishop Auckland Town in 2020. In total he has given one third of his wealth to the development of the Town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ruffer

    I'm sure that @Taz or @eek can explain more, but an investment like that would go a significant way towards mitigating 20 years of salami-slicing of a local authority.

    I wish we had a few like that - traditionally working class towns in the Midlands and North suffer badly from a lack of anchor institutions for the local economy, and a few very rich people with consciences can help mitigate.
    It’s lovely but the museums are very, very middle class so the locals don’t really like it.

    The other problem is that Bishop Auckland is a pig to drive round so given the choice I’m more likely to head to Durham or the Bowes Museum in Barnard Castle. Add on Beamish and there is a lot of local attractions where locals and tourists can spend time and money so Bishop Auckland has a very tough battle compared to other places
    I have it on good authority that Barnard Castle is especially good for sight seeing.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,072
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump’s decision to single-handedly hobble the world economy and immiserate tens of millions of Americans has presented his fellow Republicans with a stark choice. Do they continue to kiss his orange butt and slavishly nod along to every nonsensical whim of their idiot Golfer King as he leads them into a recession and almost certain electoral apocalypse? Or do they defy him, splitting the party and opening themselves to a primary challenge … and possible electoral apocalypse?

    The good news is that some GOP senators and members of Congress are actually disturbed enough by the prospect of their voters starving in the street that they have taken steps to push back against this grotesquely self-destructive trade policy. The not so good news is that the pushback is hesitant and half-hearted — and the majority of the party remains ready to torture and impoverish their constituents for the greater glory of Trump.

    The tariffs, and the quick slide into economic calamity, have sparked real resistance. They’ve also demonstrated just how craven and/or hypnotized the GOP has become, and the extent to which most Republicans would do anything — literally anything — rather than point out that the emperor is wearing a grotesque meat suit made of the skin of his constituents.

    Republican dissent is a hopeful sign. The hard limits on it, though, given the magnitude of the crisis, are a bleak reminder of how we ended up in this nightmare to begin with. Any successful resistance is going to require a fair number of Republicans to abandon their orange idol. It’s good to see them starting to do that. But it’s undeniably grim that the fate of the nation rests to any degree at all on these, gutless, spineless, christofascist quislings.


    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-tariffs-republican-resistance

    I think they maybe need to work on their persuasive skills.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,163
    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s an interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    It seems overwhelmingly to be heritage and social action (eg Church Urban Fund - which is an outstanding organisation). He was the one who provided the funds to keep the Zurbarán paintings in Durham some years - at the time these were the default brickbat in tabloid attacks on the Church of England. Plus:

    Ruffer gave an estimated £160 million to the development of Bishop Auckland Town in 2020. In total he has given one third of his wealth to the development of the Town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ruffer

    I'm sure that @Taz or @eek can explain more, but an investment like that would go a significant way towards mitigating 20 years of salami-slicing of a local authority.

    I wish we had a few like that - traditionally working class towns in the Midlands and North suffer badly from a lack of anchor institutions for the local economy, and a few very rich people with consciences can help mitigate.
    It’s lovely but the museums are very, very middle class so the locals don’t really like it.

    The other problem is that Bishop Auckland is a pig to drive round so given the choice I’m more likely to head to Durham or the Bowes Museum in Barnard Castle. Add on Beamish and there is a lot of local attractions where locals and tourists can spend time and money so Bishop Auckland has a very tough battle compared to other places
    I have it on good authority that Barnard Castle is especially good for sight seeing.
    You should get your eyes tested.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545
    IanB2 said:

    sarissa said:


    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.

    I noted this too
    Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....
    Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.
    Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.
    I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.
    He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
    Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
    As the trenches had right angle bends every few yards to minmise bombardmnt casualities and this tactic , I guessing this is a post-wartime myth?
    E.g. USA Training trenches 1917
    https://openorangenc.org/sites/default/files/images/u18/1918trenchmap.jpg
    Just badly phrased, I think. Germans did indeed leave machine gunners behind when retreating, but they would be firing across no mans land, not in the trenches.
    And they’d probably have been aged about 16
    That was more a feature of 1945, I think.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057
    edited April 7
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s an interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    It seems overwhelmingly to be heritage and social action (eg Church Urban Fund - which is an outstanding organisation). He was the one who provided the funds to keep the Zurbarán paintings in Durham some years - at the time these were the default brickbat in tabloid attacks on the Church of England. Plus:

    Ruffer gave an estimated £160 million to the development of Bishop Auckland Town in 2020. In total he has given one third of his wealth to the development of the Town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ruffer

    I'm sure that @Taz or @eek can explain more, but an investment like that would go a significant way towards mitigating 20 years of salami-slicing of a local authority.

    I wish we had a few like that - traditionally working class towns in the Midlands and North suffer badly from a lack of anchor institutions for the local economy, and a few very rich people with consciences can help mitigate.
    Yes, he’s undoubtedly a good guy and funds much good work, in between his day job of spending decades predicting the perpetually oncoming economic collapse.

    It’s just a shame that he has to bring his religion into it.

    Regardless, his fund remains a decent investment, for the cautious. In the same ballpark as Personal Assets, Troy Trojan, BNY Real Return, and RIT, until the latter somewhat lost its way.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    @alaynatreene

    Kevin Hassett, WH Director of the National Economic Council, on Fox right now: "I would urge everyone, including Bill [Ackerman] to ease off the rhetoric a bit"

    "The idea this will be a nuclear winter is irresponsible rhetoric," he added

    https://x.com/alaynatreene/status/1909221541125988435
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057

    IanB2 said:

    sarissa said:


    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.

    I noted this too
    Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....
    Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.
    Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.
    I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.
    He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
    Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
    As the trenches had right angle bends every few yards to minmise bombardmnt casualities and this tactic , I guessing this is a post-wartime myth?
    E.g. USA Training trenches 1917
    https://openorangenc.org/sites/default/files/images/u18/1918trenchmap.jpg
    Just badly phrased, I think. Germans did indeed leave machine gunners behind when retreating, but they would be firing across no mans land, not in the trenches.
    And they’d probably have been aged about 16
    That was more a feature of 1945, I think.
    That’s what I had in mind, it appears I misread the thread, having most of my attention focused on the yo-yo of the markets
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,846

    Asking for a friend.

    If you were offered a job with the title ‘General Counsel’ would it be vainglorious to insist your minions address you as ‘General’?

    Do you get your very own General Waste bucket?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057
    edited April 7
    rcs1000 said:

    IanB2 said:

    This is worth a read, as a somewhat contrary view:

    https://unherd.com/2025/04/will-trump-win-his-tariff-stand-off/

    Munchau is absolutely right that the reason that Germany and China run trade surpluses is that they implement policies that surpress consumption (or, to put it another way, they encourage saving).

    And they do it to an excessive extent, which unbalances their economies.

    However, he (Munchau) is slightly guilty of the Sole Actor Fallacy: that is, assuming it is something that the Germans do to America. It is perfectly possible for a US government to implement policies that do the same.

    The correct way out of the current morass is for Germany and China to encourage domestic consumption (I've suggested ways to do this in the past), and for the US to implement measures that encourage greater household savings. The US government could also follow the Michael Pettis strategy of limiting the flow of foreign capital into the US, which would have a similar effect. (Because it is, effectively, the savings of Germans and Chinese that flow into US assets. If you could limit that flow, you would reduce the ability of US consumers to spend.)

    There's just one issue with this rebalancing strategy - and that is that it is likely to be extremely uncomfortable for the US in the short term, even if it results in a more balanced economy down the line.
    I’m thinking that ‘short term pain, long term gain’ and the American mentality would be the worst possible formulation?

    As the Mango Mussolini is probably about to prove.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,653
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s an interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    It seems overwhelmingly to be heritage and social action (eg Church Urban Fund - which is an outstanding organisation). He was the one who provided the funds to keep the Zurbarán paintings in Durham some years - at the time these were the default brickbat in tabloid attacks on the Church of England. Plus:

    Ruffer gave an estimated £160 million to the development of Bishop Auckland Town in 2020. In total he has given one third of his wealth to the development of the Town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ruffer

    I'm sure that @Taz or @eek can explain more, but an investment like that would go a significant way towards mitigating 20 years of salami-slicing of a local authority.

    I wish we had a few like that - traditionally working class towns in the Midlands and North suffer badly from a lack of anchor institutions for the local economy, and a few very rich people with consciences can help mitigate.
    It’s lovely but the museums are very, very middle class so the locals don’t really like it.

    The other problem is that Bishop Auckland is a pig to drive round so given the choice I’m more likely to head to Durham or the Bowes Museum in Barnard Castle. Add on Beamish and there is a lot of local attractions where locals and tourists can spend time and money so Bishop Auckland has a very tough battle compared to other places
    I have it on good authority that Barnard Castle is especially good for sight seeing.
    You should get your eyes tested.
    Since Covid Specsaver’s have opened a branch there (because it was an obvious move).
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?
    The quotes borked - my editing. To be clear the Twitter suggestion was isam .

    Doenitz? Hmmm.

    Are there any competentlong serving senior military officers in the regime? Doenitz had a continuous military career from WW1 to WW2 if I recall. Doenitz was also a Nazi, but joined (checking) in 1933 when Hitler was already on the way to power.
    The Trump regime's Doenitz would be pretty anonymous to most of the public, as the original was. So maybe one of the low-profile cabinet members.

    It's not a great comparison though: Trump is more Mussolini than Hitler.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s an interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    It seems overwhelmingly to be heritage and social action (eg Church Urban Fund - which is an outstanding organisation). He was the one who provided the funds to keep the Zurbarán paintings in Durham some years - at the time these were the default brickbat in tabloid attacks on the Church of England. Plus:

    Ruffer gave an estimated £160 million to the development of Bishop Auckland Town in 2020. In total he has given one third of his wealth to the development of the Town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ruffer

    I'm sure that @Taz or @eek can explain more, but an investment like that would go a significant way towards mitigating 20 years of salami-slicing of a local authority.

    I wish we had a few like that - traditionally working class towns in the Midlands and North suffer badly from a lack of anchor institutions for the local economy, and a few very rich people with consciences can help mitigate.
    It’s lovely but the museums are very, very middle class so the locals don’t really like it.

    The other problem is that Bishop Auckland is a pig to drive round so given the choice I’m more likely to head to Durham or the Bowes Museum in Barnard Castle. Add on Beamish and there is a lot of local attractions where locals and tourists can spend time and money so Bishop Auckland has a very tough battle compared to other places
    I have it on good authority that Barnard Castle is especially good for sight seeing.
    You should get your eyes tested.
    Since Covid Specsaver’s have opened a branch there (because it was an obvious move).
    I was sent by the NHS to the island’s specsavers recently. It had the atmosphere of a refugee camp and reminded me of the A&E at Whipps Cross. They clearly are trying to make their money from quantity rather than quality.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,052
    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene

    Kevin Hassett, WH Director of the National Economic Council, on Fox right now: "I would urge everyone, including Bill [Ackerman] to ease off the rhetoric a bit"

    "The idea this will be a nuclear winter is irresponsible rhetoric," he added

    https://x.com/alaynatreene/status/1909221541125988435

    But now I'm thinking about a nuclear winter.

    (On bicycle chat earlier, they are likely the best post-apocalyptic form of transport. Highly energy efficient and easy to maintain).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?
    The quotes borked - my editing. To be clear the Twitter suggestion was isam .

    Doenitz? Hmmm.

    Are there any competentlong serving senior military officers in the regime? Doenitz had a continuous military career from WW1 to WW2 if I recall. Doenitz was also a Nazi, but joined (checking) in 1933 when Hitler was already on the way to power.
    The Trump regime's Doenitz would be pretty anonymous to most of the public, as the original was. So maybe one of the low-profile cabinet members.

    It's not a great comparison though: Trump is more Mussolini than Hitler.
    An interesting suggestion. If true, who is Trump's Hitler? I don't think I'd buy Putin for that one.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,409
    edited April 7

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?
    The quotes borked - my editing. To be clear the Twitter suggestion was isam .

    Doenitz? Hmmm.

    Are there any competentlong serving senior military officers in the regime? Doenitz had a continuous military career from WW1 to WW2 if I recall. Doenitz was also a Nazi, but joined (checking) in 1933 when Hitler was already on the way to power.
    The Trump regime's Doenitz would be pretty anonymous to most of the public, as the original was. So maybe one of the low-profile cabinet members.

    It's not a great comparison though: Trump is more Mussolini than Hitler.
    At this point I still incline to Kaiser Bill, potentially headed for Idi Amin.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,181
    edited April 7
    I’m loving this market collapse.

    The hubris of the Trumpy tech and finance bros has been ridiculous, each competing since the election to plute-splain why corruption, stupidity and authoritarianism make for the finest clothes the Emperor’s ever worn.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057

    I’m loving this market collapse.

    The hubris of the Trumpy tech and finance bros has been ridiculous, each competing since the election to plute-splain why corruption, stupidity and authoritarianism make for the finest clothes the Emperor’s ever worn.

    There will soon be a point where anyone brave enough to buy will be setting themselves up for long term gains.

    The question is whether it’s soon, or some way off.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,181
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s an interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    It seems overwhelmingly to be heritage and social action (eg Church Urban Fund - which is an outstanding organisation). He was the one who provided the funds to keep the Zurbarán paintings in Durham some years - at the time these were the default brickbat in tabloid attacks on the Church of England. Plus:

    Ruffer gave an estimated £160 million to the development of Bishop Auckland Town in 2020. In total he has given one third of his wealth to the development of the Town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ruffer

    I'm sure that @Taz or @eek can explain more, but an investment like that would go a significant way towards mitigating 20 years of salami-slicing of a local authority.

    I wish we had a few like that - traditionally working class towns in the Midlands and North suffer badly from a lack of anchor institutions for the local economy, and a few very rich people with consciences can help mitigate.
    It’s lovely but the museums are very, very middle class so the locals don’t really like it.

    The other problem is that Bishop Auckland is a pig to drive round so given the choice I’m more likely to head to Durham or the Bowes Museum in Barnard Castle. Add on Beamish and there is a lot of local attractions where locals and tourists can spend time and money so Bishop Auckland has a very tough battle compared to other places
    I have it on good authority that Barnard Castle is especially good for sight seeing.
    You should get your eyes tested.
    Since Covid Specsaver’s have opened a branch there (because it was an obvious move).
    I was sent by the NHS to the island’s specsavers recently. It had the atmosphere of a refugee camp and reminded me of the A&E at Whipps Cross. They clearly are trying to make their money from quantity rather than quality.
    This describes much of British civic life now.
    Sub-contracting, bureaucracy, and sheer rentierism makes everyday life a misery.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    ‬ ‪@adamserwer.bsky.social‬

    I wrote in November that a lot of people voted for a headcanon Trump that would fulfill all of his “good” promises instead of the ignorant sadist who actually exists and made all those “bad” promises, and well, here we are

    https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3lm7uilerx222
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,076
    IanB2 said:

    This is worth a read, as a somewhat contrary view:

    https://unherd.com/2025/04/will-trump-win-his-tariff-stand-off/

    Indeed.

    It might be simple than that, though. At a base level, Trump wants it and Trump always wins because he frightens his opponents enough that they kneel. As I keep saying, "everybody kneels in the end". We can futz around as much as they like but Trump has the government, Congress and public opinion, and nobody's got the balls to punch him or kill him. So he wins.

    (Parenthetically, I also have to point out that Starmer will kneel. He hasn't got the balls to say "no" and famously he's good at kneeling)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    @atrupar.com‬

    EARHARDT: If you're saying that Trump is waiting on great deals, and 50 countries have already come to the table, have any of them been great deals? Good enough for him?

    HASSETT: When he does, he's gonna sign with that big long beautiful signature and he will have made a great deal for America

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lm7y3dhlhw2x
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,181
    Scott_xP said:

    ‬ ‪@adamserwer.bsky.social‬

    I wrote in November that a lot of people voted for a headcanon Trump that would fulfill all of his “good” promises instead of the ignorant sadist who actually exists and made all those “bad” promises, and well, here we are

    https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3lm7uilerx222

    American Brexit.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,966

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?
    You mean who will do well out if the crash at the end? And will be welcomed by the faithful at reunions until the end of a rich, comfortable life.

    Donuts was scum by the way. The measure of the man was that he had some German sailors shot for celebrating that the war was over.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,374
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s an interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    It seems overwhelmingly to be heritage and social action (eg Church Urban Fund - which is an outstanding organisation). He was the one who provided the funds to keep the Zurbarán paintings in Durham some years - at the time these were the default brickbat in tabloid attacks on the Church of England. Plus:

    Ruffer gave an estimated £160 million to the development of Bishop Auckland Town in 2020. In total he has given one third of his wealth to the development of the Town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ruffer

    I'm sure that @Taz or @eek can explain more, but an investment like that would go a significant way towards mitigating 20 years of salami-slicing of a local authority.

    I wish we had a few like that - traditionally working class towns in the Midlands and North suffer badly from a lack of anchor institutions for the local economy, and a few very rich people with consciences can help mitigate.
    It’s lovely but the museums are very, very middle class so the locals don’t really like it.

    The other problem is that Bishop Auckland is a pig to drive round so given the choice I’m more likely to head to Durham or the Bowes Museum in Barnard Castle. Add on Beamish and there is a lot of local attractions where locals and tourists can spend time and money so Bishop Auckland has a very tough battle compared to other places
    I have it on good authority that Barnard Castle is especially good for sight seeing.
    You should get your eyes tested.
    Since Covid Specsaver’s have opened a branch there (because it was an obvious move).
    I was sent by the NHS to the island’s specsavers recently. It had the atmosphere of a refugee camp and reminded me of the A&E at Whipps Cross. They clearly are trying to make their money from quantity rather than quality.
    I think some of that might be down to who owns that instance of the pseudo-franchise. In more competitive areas they've always been reasonably good to shop at.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?
    The quotes borked - my editing. To be clear the Twitter suggestion was isam .

    Doenitz? Hmmm.

    Are there any competentlong serving senior military officers in the regime? Doenitz had a continuous military career from WW1 to WW2 if I recall. Doenitz was also a Nazi, but joined (checking) in 1933 when Hitler was already on the way to power.
    The Trump regime's Doenitz would be pretty anonymous to most of the public, as the original was. So maybe one of the low-profile cabinet members.

    It's not a great comparison though: Trump is more Mussolini than Hitler.
    At this point I still incline to Kaiser Bill, potentially headed for Idi Amin.
    One of the great lessons in history I learned at about 14. In our classes the young(ish) history teacher would use the phrase Kaiser Bill liberally when discussing the Great War etc. When I used it in an essay I was rebuked. Distinction between discussion and submitted work.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,944

    Asking for a friend.

    If you were offered a job with the title ‘General Counsel’ would it be vainglorious to insist your minions address you as ‘General’?

    It would be, but you could ask them to call you Comrade General Secretary instead.
    A show of solidarity of course.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    viewcode said:

    It might be simple than that, though. At a base level, Trump wants it and Trump always wins because he frightens his opponents enough that they kneel. As I keep saying, "everybody kneels in the end". We can futz around as much as they like but Trump has the government, Congress and public opinion, and nobody's got the balls to punch him or kill him. So he wins.

    (Parenthetically, I also have to point out that Starmer will kneel. He hasn't got the balls to say "no" and famously he's good at kneeling)

    That bollocks though

    Xi has already said NO

    The EU are currently writing NO on a piece of paper that will be signed on Wednesday

    The US can't win a Global Trade War if the RoW is united
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,966

    Asking for a friend.

    If you were offered a job with the title ‘General Counsel’ would it be vainglorious to insist your minions address you as ‘General’?

    Major General? :-)

    Perhaps you should design a tasteful, understated uniform


  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545

    Asking for a friend.

    If you were offered a job with the title ‘General Counsel’ would it be vainglorious to insist your minions address you as ‘General’?

    Major General? :-)

    Perhaps you should design a tasteful, understated uniform


    One assumes that they've heard of soldiers lives being saved when a bullet hits 'x' on their chest and went the whole hog.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,846
    IanB2 said:

    This is worth a read, as a somewhat contrary view:

    https://unherd.com/2025/04/will-trump-win-his-tariff-stand-off/

    It's a very muddled article. I have read it twice and am none the wiser what he thinks is likely to happen, why this would be a success for Trump and why the consensus opinion opposed to tariffs is wrong.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    Fox News

    @atrupar.com‬

    Maria Bartiromo calls Trump's tariffs a "debacle"

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lm7ykh7cck2e
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,966
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?
    The quotes borked - my editing. To be clear the Twitter suggestion was isam .

    Doenitz? Hmmm.

    Are there any competentlong serving senior military officers in the regime? Doenitz had a continuous military career from WW1 to WW2 if I recall. Doenitz was also a Nazi, but joined (checking) in 1933 when Hitler was already on the way to power.
    The Trump regime's Doenitz would be pretty anonymous to most of the public, as the original was. So maybe one of the low-profile cabinet members.

    It's not a great comparison though: Trump is more Mussolini than Hitler.
    At this point I still incline to Kaiser Bill, potentially headed for Idi Amin.
    Before the war, a subordinate pointed out the flaws in the wolfpack attack plan for convoys, to Doenitz.

    The subordinate was smacked down and reasoned to the surface navy.

    The flaws were exactly what caused the loss of the Battle of The Atlantic.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,076
    isam said:

    I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?

    For the same reason why we didn't bet on Brexit (but I did) or Trump winning (but I did) or Biden winning (but I did). Changing your portfolio or betting on politics is difficult and time consuming, and laziness, fear or normalcy bias prevents big punts.

    As you may have noticed I asked on PB a couple of times as what the GBP-USD rate was at the end of the year, and everybody was determinedly silent. There's no "wisdom of crowds" if there's no discussion.

    Having said that somebody will have been found to have bet big on Trump's tariffs (not me unfortunately!) and then we'll all say they were genuises.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    @atrupar.com‬

    Peter Navarro on CNBC calls tariffs "a beautiful situation" next to a stock ticker showing the Dow implied open down 900 points

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lm7yq3w3ha26
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,944
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump’s decision to single-handedly hobble the world economy and immiserate tens of millions of Americans has presented his fellow Republicans with a stark choice. Do they continue to kiss his orange butt and slavishly nod along to every nonsensical whim of their idiot Golfer King as he leads them into a recession and almost certain electoral apocalypse? Or do they defy him, splitting the party and opening themselves to a primary challenge … and possible electoral apocalypse?

    The good news is that some GOP senators and members of Congress are actually disturbed enough by the prospect of their voters starving in the street that they have taken steps to push back against this grotesquely self-destructive trade policy. The not so good news is that the pushback is hesitant and half-hearted — and the majority of the party remains ready to torture and impoverish their constituents for the greater glory of Trump.

    The tariffs, and the quick slide into economic calamity, have sparked real resistance. They’ve also demonstrated just how craven and/or hypnotized the GOP has become, and the extent to which most Republicans would do anything — literally anything — rather than point out that the emperor is wearing a grotesque meat suit made of the skin of his constituents.

    Republican dissent is a hopeful sign. The hard limits on it, though, given the magnitude of the crisis, are a bleak reminder of how we ended up in this nightmare to begin with. Any successful resistance is going to require a fair number of Republicans to abandon their orange idol. It’s good to see them starting to do that. But it’s undeniably grim that the fate of the nation rests to any degree at all on these, gutless, spineless, christofascist quislings.


    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-tariffs-republican-resistance

    Posting someone else's thoughts get no 'like' from me, but responding to the first point;

    What electorial apocalypse?
    It's one man, one vote in Trumpland, and Trumps the man and he's got the vote.

    I suppose Americans have to have a coping mechanism and pretending 2026 or 2028 are going to be free and fair is the only way forward at this point.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,163
    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene

    Kevin Hassett, WH Director of the National Economic Council, on Fox right now: "I would urge everyone, including Bill [Ackerman] to ease off the rhetoric a bit"

    "The idea this will be a nuclear winter is irresponsible rhetoric," he added

    https://x.com/alaynatreene/status/1909221541125988435

    But now I'm thinking about a nuclear winter.

    (On bicycle chat earlier, they are likely the best post-apocalyptic form of transport. Highly energy efficient and easy to maintain).
    Rubber degrades over time though: so those tyres and inner tubes are unlikely to last more than a decade.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057
    Currently, Japan is the only major market that has fallen further than the US since Trump’s inauguration.

    But I am wondering whether today might see some sort of bounce, leaving us tomorrow wondering whether it was of a dead cat? (not that I have any personal experience as to why dead cats are thought to be so bouncy).
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,625
    What do people think of the likelihood of another American civil war or a state seceding?
    If you're New York or California, your president is continually slagging you off, you contribute a vast amount to federal coffers, and pretty soon you might find out your retirees have had their social security all DOGE'd up...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump’s decision to single-handedly hobble the world economy and immiserate tens of millions of Americans has presented his fellow Republicans with a stark choice. Do they continue to kiss his orange butt and slavishly nod along to every nonsensical whim of their idiot Golfer King as he leads them into a recession and almost certain electoral apocalypse? Or do they defy him, splitting the party and opening themselves to a primary challenge … and possible electoral apocalypse?

    The good news is that some GOP senators and members of Congress are actually disturbed enough by the prospect of their voters starving in the street that they have taken steps to push back against this grotesquely self-destructive trade policy. The not so good news is that the pushback is hesitant and half-hearted — and the majority of the party remains ready to torture and impoverish their constituents for the greater glory of Trump.

    The tariffs, and the quick slide into economic calamity, have sparked real resistance. They’ve also demonstrated just how craven and/or hypnotized the GOP has become, and the extent to which most Republicans would do anything — literally anything — rather than point out that the emperor is wearing a grotesque meat suit made of the skin of his constituents.

    Republican dissent is a hopeful sign. The hard limits on it, though, given the magnitude of the crisis, are a bleak reminder of how we ended up in this nightmare to begin with. Any successful resistance is going to require a fair number of Republicans to abandon their orange idol. It’s good to see them starting to do that. But it’s undeniably grim that the fate of the nation rests to any degree at all on these, gutless, spineless, christofascist quislings.


    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-tariffs-republican-resistance

    Posting someone else's thoughts get no 'like' from me, but responding to the first point;

    What electorial apocalypse?
    It's one man, one vote in Trumpland, and Trumps the man and he's got the vote.

    I suppose Americans have to have a coping mechanism and pretending 2026 or 2028 are going to be free and fair is the only way forward at this point.
    What do you think will happen in 2026 or 2028 to make the elections unfree and/unfair? Are you thinking concentration camps? Or just SS troops at all the polling stations?

    I can believe that Trump will try to find a way to have more than 2 terms. It seems an odd limitation, and most people would happily have Obama run against Trump in 2028, but the idea that somehow the last free and fair election in the US has already happened strikes me as a little hysterical.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene

    Kevin Hassett, WH Director of the National Economic Council, on Fox right now: "I would urge everyone, including Bill [Ackerman] to ease off the rhetoric a bit"

    "The idea this will be a nuclear winter is irresponsible rhetoric," he added

    https://x.com/alaynatreene/status/1909221541125988435

    But now I'm thinking about a nuclear winter.

    (On bicycle chat earlier, they are likely the best post-apocalyptic form of transport. Highly energy efficient and easy to maintain).
    Rubber degrades over time though: so those tyres and inner tubes are unlikely to last more than a decade.
    Just go back to the original bone shakers on iron rimmed wood.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,052
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene

    Kevin Hassett, WH Director of the National Economic Council, on Fox right now: "I would urge everyone, including Bill [Ackerman] to ease off the rhetoric a bit"

    "The idea this will be a nuclear winter is irresponsible rhetoric," he added

    https://x.com/alaynatreene/status/1909221541125988435

    But now I'm thinking about a nuclear winter.

    (On bicycle chat earlier, they are likely the best post-apocalyptic form of transport. Highly energy efficient and easy to maintain).
    Rubber degrades over time though: so those tyres and inner tubes are unlikely to last more than a decade.
    A decade is pretty good!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,181
    edited April 7
    rkrkrk said:

    What do people think of the likelihood of another American civil war or a state seceding?
    If you're New York or California, your president is continually slagging you off, you contribute a vast amount to federal coffers, and pretty soon you might find out your retirees have had their social security all DOGE'd up...

    Non-existent, unless Trump reaches for a third term or actually invades Canada perhaps, and then “very slim”.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,072
    edited April 7
    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene

    Kevin Hassett, WH Director of the National Economic Council, on Fox right now: "I would urge everyone, including Bill [Ackerman] to ease off the rhetoric a bit"

    "The idea this will be a nuclear winter is irresponsible rhetoric," he added

    https://x.com/alaynatreene/status/1909221541125988435

    But now I'm thinking about a nuclear winter.

    (On bicycle chat earlier, they are likely the best post-apocalyptic form of transport. Highly energy efficient and easy to maintain).
    Bicycle chat. My photo quota.


    So Minerva McGonagall, you have revealed yourself.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,163
    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    This is worth a read, as a somewhat contrary view:

    https://unherd.com/2025/04/will-trump-win-his-tariff-stand-off/

    Indeed.

    It might be simple than that, though. At a base level, Trump wants it and Trump always wins because he frightens his opponents enough that they kneel. As I keep saying, "everybody kneels in the end". We can futz around as much as they like but Trump has the government, Congress and public opinion, and nobody's got the balls to punch him or kill him. So he wins.

    (Parenthetically, I also have to point out that Starmer will kneel. He hasn't got the balls to say "no" and famously he's good at kneeling)
    Does he have public opinion?

    His approval rating, even before tariffs, had fallen pretty sharply. The Republicans had pretty torrid times in Special Elections in Wisconsin and Florida.

    And if (when) the tariffs do result in higher inflation, then that significant mass of voters who went with Trump because they thought he would bring grocery prices down are going to be pretty upset.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    @Birdyword

    Astonishing chart from Goldman showing the slump in overseas passengers arriving to the US. Presumably not largely because of the tariffs but because of the horror stories about random incarceration.

    https://x.com/Birdyword/status/1909066198785913244
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,052
    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene

    Kevin Hassett, WH Director of the National Economic Council, on Fox right now: "I would urge everyone, including Bill [Ackerman] to ease off the rhetoric a bit"

    "The idea this will be a nuclear winter is irresponsible rhetoric," he added

    https://x.com/alaynatreene/status/1909221541125988435

    But now I'm thinking about a nuclear winter.

    (On bicycle chat earlier, they are likely the best post-apocalyptic form of transport. Highly energy efficient and easy to maintain).
    Bicycle chat. My photo quota.


    It's the warm seats they like.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169
    edited April 7

    rkrkrk said:

    What do people think of the likelihood of another American civil war or a state seceding?
    If you're New York or California, your president is continually slagging you off, you contribute a vast amount to federal coffers, and pretty soon you might find out your retirees have had their social security all DOGE'd up...

    Non-existent, unless Trump reaches for a third term or actually invades Canada perhaps, and then “very slim”.
    Invading Canada could be a trigger. A third term nah (i.e. it will happen but won't create a civil war).
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,522

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump’s decision to single-handedly hobble the world economy and immiserate tens of millions of Americans has presented his fellow Republicans with a stark choice. Do they continue to kiss his orange butt and slavishly nod along to every nonsensical whim of their idiot Golfer King as he leads them into a recession and almost certain electoral apocalypse? Or do they defy him, splitting the party and opening themselves to a primary challenge … and possible electoral apocalypse?

    The good news is that some GOP senators and members of Congress are actually disturbed enough by the prospect of their voters starving in the street that they have taken steps to push back against this grotesquely self-destructive trade policy. The not so good news is that the pushback is hesitant and half-hearted — and the majority of the party remains ready to torture and impoverish their constituents for the greater glory of Trump.

    The tariffs, and the quick slide into economic calamity, have sparked real resistance. They’ve also demonstrated just how craven and/or hypnotized the GOP has become, and the extent to which most Republicans would do anything — literally anything — rather than point out that the emperor is wearing a grotesque meat suit made of the skin of his constituents.

    Republican dissent is a hopeful sign. The hard limits on it, though, given the magnitude of the crisis, are a bleak reminder of how we ended up in this nightmare to begin with. Any successful resistance is going to require a fair number of Republicans to abandon their orange idol. It’s good to see them starting to do that. But it’s undeniably grim that the fate of the nation rests to any degree at all on these, gutless, spineless, christofascist quislings.


    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-tariffs-republican-resistance

    Posting someone else's thoughts get no 'like' from me, but responding to the first point;

    What electorial apocalypse?
    It's one man, one vote in Trumpland, and Trumps the man and he's got the vote.

    I suppose Americans have to have a coping mechanism and pretending 2026 or 2028 are going to be free and fair is the only way forward at this point.
    What do you think will happen in 2026 or 2028 to make the elections unfree and/unfair? Are you thinking concentration camps? Or just SS troops at all the polling stations?

    I can believe that Trump will try to find a way to have more than 2 terms. It seems an odd limitation, and most people would happily have Obama run against Trump in 2028, but the idea that somehow the last free and fair election in the US has already happened strikes me as a little hysterical.
    It is easy to imagine an increase in the fiddling of elections we've seen to date: gerrymandering, no polling stations in Dem areas, "cleaning" electoral rolls, legislators stepping in to "correct" election results, biased social media, etc. Then you move up to arresting political opponents, maybe sending them to El Salvador.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545
    Scott_xP said:

    @Birdyword

    Astonishing chart from Goldman showing the slump in overseas passengers arriving to the US. Presumably not largely because of the tariffs but because of the horror stories about random incarceration.

    https://x.com/Birdyword/status/1909066198785913244

    I'd suggesting looking at the reply below - its a correction to a big value the year before...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump’s decision to single-handedly hobble the world economy and immiserate tens of millions of Americans has presented his fellow Republicans with a stark choice. Do they continue to kiss his orange butt and slavishly nod along to every nonsensical whim of their idiot Golfer King as he leads them into a recession and almost certain electoral apocalypse? Or do they defy him, splitting the party and opening themselves to a primary challenge … and possible electoral apocalypse?

    The good news is that some GOP senators and members of Congress are actually disturbed enough by the prospect of their voters starving in the street that they have taken steps to push back against this grotesquely self-destructive trade policy. The not so good news is that the pushback is hesitant and half-hearted — and the majority of the party remains ready to torture and impoverish their constituents for the greater glory of Trump.

    The tariffs, and the quick slide into economic calamity, have sparked real resistance. They’ve also demonstrated just how craven and/or hypnotized the GOP has become, and the extent to which most Republicans would do anything — literally anything — rather than point out that the emperor is wearing a grotesque meat suit made of the skin of his constituents.

    Republican dissent is a hopeful sign. The hard limits on it, though, given the magnitude of the crisis, are a bleak reminder of how we ended up in this nightmare to begin with. Any successful resistance is going to require a fair number of Republicans to abandon their orange idol. It’s good to see them starting to do that. But it’s undeniably grim that the fate of the nation rests to any degree at all on these, gutless, spineless, christofascist quislings.


    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-tariffs-republican-resistance

    Posting someone else's thoughts get no 'like' from me, but responding to the first point;

    What electorial apocalypse?
    It's one man, one vote in Trumpland, and Trumps the man and he's got the vote.

    I suppose Americans have to have a coping mechanism and pretending 2026 or 2028 are going to be free and fair is the only way forward at this point.
    What do you think will happen in 2026 or 2028 to make the elections unfree and/unfair? Are you thinking concentration camps? Or just SS troops at all the polling stations?

    I can believe that Trump will try to find a way to have more than 2 terms. It seems an odd limitation, and most people would happily have Obama run against Trump in 2028, but the idea that somehow the last free and fair election in the US has already happened strikes me as a little hysterical.
    I don't suppose you are following the current case where the losing Republican is having votes thrown out of people who were alive at the time of the election but are unable to re-certify now as they have died in between?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,072
    IanB2 said:

    Currently, Japan is the only major market that has fallen further than the US since Trump’s inauguration.

    But I am wondering whether today might see some sort of bounce, leaving us tomorrow wondering whether it was of a dead cat? (not that I have any personal experience as to why dead cats are thought to be so bouncy).

    Personally I think that it’s something that should be extensively and exhaustively tested.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,545

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump’s decision to single-handedly hobble the world economy and immiserate tens of millions of Americans has presented his fellow Republicans with a stark choice. Do they continue to kiss his orange butt and slavishly nod along to every nonsensical whim of their idiot Golfer King as he leads them into a recession and almost certain electoral apocalypse? Or do they defy him, splitting the party and opening themselves to a primary challenge … and possible electoral apocalypse?

    The good news is that some GOP senators and members of Congress are actually disturbed enough by the prospect of their voters starving in the street that they have taken steps to push back against this grotesquely self-destructive trade policy. The not so good news is that the pushback is hesitant and half-hearted — and the majority of the party remains ready to torture and impoverish their constituents for the greater glory of Trump.

    The tariffs, and the quick slide into economic calamity, have sparked real resistance. They’ve also demonstrated just how craven and/or hypnotized the GOP has become, and the extent to which most Republicans would do anything — literally anything — rather than point out that the emperor is wearing a grotesque meat suit made of the skin of his constituents.

    Republican dissent is a hopeful sign. The hard limits on it, though, given the magnitude of the crisis, are a bleak reminder of how we ended up in this nightmare to begin with. Any successful resistance is going to require a fair number of Republicans to abandon their orange idol. It’s good to see them starting to do that. But it’s undeniably grim that the fate of the nation rests to any degree at all on these, gutless, spineless, christofascist quislings.


    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-tariffs-republican-resistance

    Posting someone else's thoughts get no 'like' from me, but responding to the first point;

    What electorial apocalypse?
    It's one man, one vote in Trumpland, and Trumps the man and he's got the vote.

    I suppose Americans have to have a coping mechanism and pretending 2026 or 2028 are going to be free and fair is the only way forward at this point.
    What do you think will happen in 2026 or 2028 to make the elections unfree and/unfair? Are you thinking concentration camps? Or just SS troops at all the polling stations?

    I can believe that Trump will try to find a way to have more than 2 terms. It seems an odd limitation, and most people would happily have Obama run against Trump in 2028, but the idea that somehow the last free and fair election in the US has already happened strikes me as a little hysterical.
    It is easy to imagine an increase in the fiddling of elections we've seen to date: gerrymandering, no polling stations in Dem areas, "cleaning" electoral rolls, legislators stepping in to "correct" election results, biased social media, etc. Then you move up to arresting political opponents, maybe sending them to El Salvador.
    "Then you move up to arresting political opponents, maybe sending them to El Salvador" - any evidence of this? And we are not immune to the odd bit of tinkering in the UK, are we! Voter ID for one.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?
    The quotes borked - my editing. To be clear the Twitter suggestion was isam .

    Doenitz? Hmmm.

    Are there any competentlong serving senior military officers in the regime? Doenitz had a continuous military career from WW1 to WW2 if I recall. Doenitz was also a Nazi, but joined (checking) in 1933 when Hitler was already on the way to power.
    The Trump regime's Doenitz would be pretty anonymous to most of the public, as the original was. So maybe one of the low-profile cabinet members.

    It's not a great comparison though: Trump is more Mussolini than Hitler.
    An interesting suggestion. If true, who is Trump's Hitler? I don't think I'd buy Putin for that one.
    There doesn't *have* to be a direct analogy for every historic or current player in a compared scenario.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?

    Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!

    I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.

    For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
    So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?
    The quotes borked - my editing. To be clear the Twitter suggestion was isam .

    Doenitz? Hmmm.

    Are there any competentlong serving senior military officers in the regime? Doenitz had a continuous military career from WW1 to WW2 if I recall. Doenitz was also a Nazi, but joined (checking) in 1933 when Hitler was already on the way to power.
    The Trump regime's Doenitz would be pretty anonymous to most of the public, as the original was. So maybe one of the low-profile cabinet members.

    It's not a great comparison though: Trump is more Mussolini than Hitler.
    An interesting suggestion. If true, who is Trump's Hitler? I don't think I'd buy Putin for that one.
    There doesn't *have* to be a direct analogy for every historic or current player in a compared scenario.
    Generally countries don't vote for leaders with the IQ of a toddler so it is going to be tough to find parallels.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    @robin_j_brooks

    China has begun to devalue. The fall in the Yuan is still small, but it's noteworthy because the Dollar has fallen, so - if anything - China should be strengthening Yuan versus the Dollar if its wants to keep it stable in trade-weighted terms. This is a signal to Washington...

    https://x.com/robin_j_brooks/status/1909223347134619983
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169

    Scott_xP said:

    @Birdyword

    Astonishing chart from Goldman showing the slump in overseas passengers arriving to the US. Presumably not largely because of the tariffs but because of the horror stories about random incarceration.

    https://x.com/Birdyword/status/1909066198785913244

    I'd suggesting looking at the reply below - its a correction to a big value the year before...
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2025/04/03/canada-travel-decline-united-states/

    "McMillan said about 20 percent to 30 percent of trips that were already booked got canceled. Since then, he said, the company has seen about a 90 percent drop in new bookings for U.S. vacations compared with the previous year, as clients opt for other destinations.

    That is in line with what Adam Sacks, president of Tourism Economics, has been expecting. His travel analytics firm predicted that 4 million fewer Canadians will visit the United States this year, a 20 percent decrease that could cost the U.S. $4.3 billion in lost revenue, he said."
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,436

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump’s decision to single-handedly hobble the world economy and immiserate tens of millions of Americans has presented his fellow Republicans with a stark choice. Do they continue to kiss his orange butt and slavishly nod along to every nonsensical whim of their idiot Golfer King as he leads them into a recession and almost certain electoral apocalypse? Or do they defy him, splitting the party and opening themselves to a primary challenge … and possible electoral apocalypse?

    The good news is that some GOP senators and members of Congress are actually disturbed enough by the prospect of their voters starving in the street that they have taken steps to push back against this grotesquely self-destructive trade policy. The not so good news is that the pushback is hesitant and half-hearted — and the majority of the party remains ready to torture and impoverish their constituents for the greater glory of Trump.

    The tariffs, and the quick slide into economic calamity, have sparked real resistance. They’ve also demonstrated just how craven and/or hypnotized the GOP has become, and the extent to which most Republicans would do anything — literally anything — rather than point out that the emperor is wearing a grotesque meat suit made of the skin of his constituents.

    Republican dissent is a hopeful sign. The hard limits on it, though, given the magnitude of the crisis, are a bleak reminder of how we ended up in this nightmare to begin with. Any successful resistance is going to require a fair number of Republicans to abandon their orange idol. It’s good to see them starting to do that. But it’s undeniably grim that the fate of the nation rests to any degree at all on these, gutless, spineless, christofascist quislings.


    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-tariffs-republican-resistance

    Posting someone else's thoughts get no 'like' from me, but responding to the first point;

    What electorial apocalypse?
    It's one man, one vote in Trumpland, and Trumps the man and he's got the vote.

    I suppose Americans have to have a coping mechanism and pretending 2026 or 2028 are going to be free and fair is the only way forward at this point.
    What do you think will happen in 2026 or 2028 to make the elections unfree and/unfair? Are you thinking concentration camps? Or just SS troops at all the polling stations?

    I can believe that Trump will try to find a way to have more than 2 terms. It seems an odd limitation, and most people would happily have Obama run against Trump in 2028, but the idea that somehow the last free and fair election in the US has already happened strikes me as a little hysterical.
    Operating from the playbook of the Redeemers, in the 1870's and 1880's.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,177
    edited April 7

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump’s decision to single-handedly hobble the world economy and immiserate tens of millions of Americans has presented his fellow Republicans with a stark choice. Do they continue to kiss his orange butt and slavishly nod along to every nonsensical whim of their idiot Golfer King as he leads them into a recession and almost certain electoral apocalypse? Or do they defy him, splitting the party and opening themselves to a primary challenge … and possible electoral apocalypse?

    The good news is that some GOP senators and members of Congress are actually disturbed enough by the prospect of their voters starving in the street that they have taken steps to push back against this grotesquely self-destructive trade policy. The not so good news is that the pushback is hesitant and half-hearted — and the majority of the party remains ready to torture and impoverish their constituents for the greater glory of Trump.

    The tariffs, and the quick slide into economic calamity, have sparked real resistance. They’ve also demonstrated just how craven and/or hypnotized the GOP has become, and the extent to which most Republicans would do anything — literally anything — rather than point out that the emperor is wearing a grotesque meat suit made of the skin of his constituents.

    Republican dissent is a hopeful sign. The hard limits on it, though, given the magnitude of the crisis, are a bleak reminder of how we ended up in this nightmare to begin with. Any successful resistance is going to require a fair number of Republicans to abandon their orange idol. It’s good to see them starting to do that. But it’s undeniably grim that the fate of the nation rests to any degree at all on these, gutless, spineless, christofascist quislings.


    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-tariffs-republican-resistance

    Posting someone else's thoughts get no 'like' from me, but responding to the first point;

    What electorial apocalypse?
    It's one man, one vote in Trumpland, and Trumps the man and he's got the vote.

    I suppose Americans have to have a coping mechanism and pretending 2026 or 2028 are going to be free and fair is the only way forward at this point.
    What do you think will happen in 2026 or 2028 to make the elections unfree and/unfair? Are you thinking concentration camps? Or just SS troops at all the polling stations?

    I can believe that Trump will try to find a way to have more than 2 terms. It seems an odd limitation, and most people would happily have Obama run against Trump in 2028, but the idea that somehow the last free and fair election in the US has already happened strikes me as a little hysterical.
    See the recent North Carolina judicial election for the playbook as to how to rig the election. Will only work if it's close(ish) though.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,163

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump’s decision to single-handedly hobble the world economy and immiserate tens of millions of Americans has presented his fellow Republicans with a stark choice. Do they continue to kiss his orange butt and slavishly nod along to every nonsensical whim of their idiot Golfer King as he leads them into a recession and almost certain electoral apocalypse? Or do they defy him, splitting the party and opening themselves to a primary challenge … and possible electoral apocalypse?

    The good news is that some GOP senators and members of Congress are actually disturbed enough by the prospect of their voters starving in the street that they have taken steps to push back against this grotesquely self-destructive trade policy. The not so good news is that the pushback is hesitant and half-hearted — and the majority of the party remains ready to torture and impoverish their constituents for the greater glory of Trump.

    The tariffs, and the quick slide into economic calamity, have sparked real resistance. They’ve also demonstrated just how craven and/or hypnotized the GOP has become, and the extent to which most Republicans would do anything — literally anything — rather than point out that the emperor is wearing a grotesque meat suit made of the skin of his constituents.

    Republican dissent is a hopeful sign. The hard limits on it, though, given the magnitude of the crisis, are a bleak reminder of how we ended up in this nightmare to begin with. Any successful resistance is going to require a fair number of Republicans to abandon their orange idol. It’s good to see them starting to do that. But it’s undeniably grim that the fate of the nation rests to any degree at all on these, gutless, spineless, christofascist quislings.


    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-tariffs-republican-resistance

    Posting someone else's thoughts get no 'like' from me, but responding to the first point;

    What electorial apocalypse?
    It's one man, one vote in Trumpland, and Trumps the man and he's got the vote.

    I suppose Americans have to have a coping mechanism and pretending 2026 or 2028 are going to be free and fair is the only way forward at this point.
    What do you think will happen in 2026 or 2028 to make the elections unfree and/unfair? Are you thinking concentration camps? Or just SS troops at all the polling stations?

    I can believe that Trump will try to find a way to have more than 2 terms. It seems an odd limitation, and most people would happily have Obama run against Trump in 2028, but the idea that somehow the last free and fair election in the US has already happened strikes me as a little hysterical.
    It is easy to imagine an increase in the fiddling of elections we've seen to date: gerrymandering, no polling stations in Dem areas, "cleaning" electoral rolls, legislators stepping in to "correct" election results, biased social media, etc. Then you move up to arresting political opponents, maybe sending them to El Salvador.
    "Then you move up to arresting political opponents, maybe sending them to El Salvador" - any evidence of this? And we are not immune to the odd bit of tinkering in the UK, are we! Voter ID for one.
    I think @bondegezou is outlining a possible path forward.

    We've already seen - in North Carolina - a court toss out tens of thousands of ballots in a closely contested election.

    https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-election-2024-griffin-riggs-judges-fe51ca7bb095b9dcb305030220e69606
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,523
    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy Bruce (Reuters)
    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!

    It's called Ruffer Investment.

    Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s

    I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s an interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.

    He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
    It seems overwhelmingly to be heritage and social action (eg Church Urban Fund - which is an outstanding organisation). He was the one who provided the funds to keep the Zurbarán paintings in Durham some years - at the time these were the default brickbat in tabloid attacks on the Church of England. Plus:

    Ruffer gave an estimated £160 million to the development of Bishop Auckland Town in 2020. In total he has given one third of his wealth to the development of the Town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ruffer

    I'm sure that @Taz or @eek can explain more, but an investment like that would go a significant way towards mitigating 20 years of salami-slicing of a local authority.

    I wish we had a few like that - traditionally working class towns in the Midlands and North suffer badly from a lack of anchor institutions for the local economy, and a few very rich people with consciences can help mitigate.
    It’s lovely but the museums are very, very middle class so the locals don’t really like it.

    The other problem is that Bishop Auckland is a pig to drive round so given the choice I’m more likely to head to Durham or the Bowes Museum in Barnard Castle. Add on Beamish and there is a lot of local attractions where locals and tourists can spend time and money so Bishop Auckland has a very tough battle compared to other places
    I have it on good authority that Barnard Castle is especially good for sight seeing.
    There are ruffer places to visit, certainly.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    Hmmm. It appears Trump may be ever so slightly panicking...

    https://x.com/jonsopel/status/1909232371586543992
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,057
    Liberals are on track to win the Canadian election, say pollsters, to deliver my 10/1 longshot bet…
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,072
    Peter Navarro, Trump’s trade advisor says “Any discussion of recession seems silly” whilst noting, practically in the same breath, how great it was that oil prices are falling. Like the 2 are unconnected.

    This is not going to end well
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,223
    There are reports the tariffs as they stand would triple the cost of a new iPhone....even TSE might have to buy an Android.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,368
    Scott_xP said:

    Hmmm. It appears Trump may be ever so slightly panicking...

    https://x.com/jonsopel/status/1909232371586543992

    Let's see how the Panican Party polls, eh?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979

    There are reports the tariffs as they stand would triple the cost of a new iPhone....even TSE might have to buy an Android.

    And people still say this isn't a crisis...
  • glwglw Posts: 10,341

    I’m loving this market collapse.

    The hubris of the Trumpy tech and finance bros has been ridiculous, each competing since the election to plute-splain why corruption, stupidity and authoritarianism make for the finest clothes the Emperor’s ever worn.

    Imagine being some of the richest people who ever lived, people who have unquestionably benefited from the system, and instead of seeking to maintain the status quo they think "let's blow it all up in order to try and get even richer!" Not one of them is even half as smart as they believe they are.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,649
    Scott_xP said:

    There are reports the tariffs as they stand would triple the cost of a new iPhone....even TSE might have to buy an Android.

    And people still say this isn't a crisis...
    No pain no gain remains true.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169

    Scott_xP said:

    Hmmm. It appears Trump may be ever so slightly panicking...

    https://x.com/jonsopel/status/1909232371586543992

    Let's see how the Panican Party polls, eh?
    Who knows, they may bigly covfefe on the upside?
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