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Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?HYUFD said:
Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policiesisam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
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The really interesting thing will be if the Supreme Court rules against Trump and he refuses to accept it, as he has the judgments of other courts.vik said:
There are only two ways it can be resolved:Nigelb said:
There are quite a few true believers like that in the administration.JosiasJessop said:
Vance is part of the regime, and has (publicly at least) been in lock-step with Trump over the tariffs. The poison us on his hands, too.Scott_xP said:
That's an interesting questionDecrepiterJohnL said:
President Vance might be worse.algarkirk said:
A coup is taking place in the USA. Is a counter-coup out of the question?Mexicanpete said:If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.
Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.
Although Vance is arguably more dangerous than Trump, he has none of the personal support
Truss was more dangerous than BoZo, but the Tories had no qualms about ditching her compared to him
I think if trump falls, the GOP try and claim a return to sanity which they won't let Vance mess up
I don't think this resolves itself quickly.
1) The Senate & the House find a backbone & take away Trump's power to set tariffs.
OR
2) The courts step in & issue an injunction blocking the tariffs.
(A conservative group funded by Charles Koch is suing Trump over the tariffs. The fact that the plaintiffs are conservatives leads me to think that they must have pretty solid legal grounds for suing. Also, when the case reaches the Supreme Court, there is a high likelihood that at least Thomas & possibly also Alito might rule in favour, if Charles Koch is one of the parties to the dispute.)1 -
The House Speaker is not invulnerablenumbertwelve said:The Senate appear to be, tentatively, growing some balls, but it will mean nothing if the House Speaker continues to block anything.
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Factoid - Fanta was only created because Coke Cola stopped supplying their German distributor, so they made their own fizzy drink with surplus / waste proudcts.turbotubbs said:
Mountain Dewnoneoftheabove said:
Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.3 -
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Tories should be ahead of Labour given the councils up this time and Con/Lab levellish in the polls.OldKingCole said:
Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?HYUFD said:
Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policiesisam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
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When I was very young I wouldn’t drink it as I genuinely believed it was made in Scotland from girders and the colour/ flavour was sugary rust.MarqueeMark said:
Play safe: Irn Bru...noneoftheabove said:
Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.1 -
All the penguins I know have been warned by their mothers about seals who want to do deals.DougSeal said:
They have to agree a course of action with the seals on the island and we're thinking about it.Morris_Dancer said:Important question: have the penguins decided whether they're going to enact retaliatory tariffs?
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And even more importantly, Musk is associated with himself. It wasn't anyone else doing Nazi salutes at the inauguration and he has said and done what he said and did.JosiasJessop said:
Sorry, Elon, you're too late. You're associated with it now.FrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.
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"Lloyds Bank business customers and whistleblowers have accused it of failing small firms as it tried to reduce lending after the financial crash of 2008.
Business owners who borrowed from Lloyds around that time have told the BBC their firms collapsed after the bank introduced them to its Business Support Unit (BSU), intended for clients it considered were struggling.
A whistleblower told Panorama there was a "pattern" of "pigeonholing" small businesses as "distressed" when they were "salvageable".
Lloyds said it "categorically denied" the allegations and its BSU "supported many thousands of customers".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy70d2vgempo0 -
"See that Starmer? He's just like Stalin, yeah? Orwell wrote Animal Farm, so they must be the same!"williamglenn said:Worrying article in the National:
https://x.com/twlldun/status/1909144910655013027
(narrator: Trump has overriden the courts, purged his competitors, installed loyalists in crucial posts (and killing people in the process) and is deporting people without trial to external exile)1 -
What do you mean 'believed' Past tense???Taz said:
When I was very young I wouldn’t drink it as I genuinely believed it was made in Scotland from girders and the colour/ flavour was sugary rust.MarqueeMark said:
Play safe: Irn Bru...noneoftheabove said:
Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.1 -
Sprite is produced by the same company that makes coca-cola and coca-cola is produced in the U.K. at several locations.noneoftheabove said:
Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.
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Ha! Like Claude Raines throwing the Vichy Water in the bin at the end of Casablanca.MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.2 -
The Democrats can use a Discharge Petition to bring it to a floor vote, even if Johnson is trying to block it.Scott_xP said:
The House Speaker is not invulnerablenumbertwelve said:The Senate appear to be, tentatively, growing some balls, but it will mean nothing if the House Speaker continues to block anything.
They used it just last week to force a successful vote on proxy voting for Congresspersons who are new parents. Johnson was trying to block it, but couldn't do anything other than sulking & then putting the House into recess for a few days.
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/02/mike-johnson-anna-paulina-luna-proxy-voting0 -
Nope, Labour London and the big city councils are not having local elections this year and nor are Scotland and Wales.OldKingCole said:
Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?HYUFD said:
Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policiesisam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
Only provincial England is having local elections this May for county and unitary councils and the English shires, from farmers to pensioners to small business owners and now the disabled too absolutely despise this Labour government0 -
This pensioner, and user of care services, doesn't. Fair point about Tories being 3rd though.HYUFD said:
Nope, Labour London and the big city councils are not having local elections this year and nor are Scotland and Wales.OldKingCole said:
Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?HYUFD said:
Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policiesisam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
Only provincial England is having local elections this May for county and unitary councils and the English shires, from farmers to pensioners to small business owners and now the disabled too absolutely despise this Labour government0 -
OTT headline and a long whinge from the labour left wing about the most successful Labour PM since Tony Blair.williamglenn said:Worrying article in the National:
https://x.com/twlldun/status/19091449106550130270 -
And now you are older, you KNOW it to be true...Taz said:
When I was very young I wouldn’t drink it as I genuinely believed it was made in Scotland from girders and the colour/ flavour was sugary rust.MarqueeMark said:
Play safe: Irn Bru...noneoftheabove said:
Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.4 -
According to my grandfather's diary (and Robert Graves), it was "too late, chum." and a bayonet.OldKingCole said:
I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.kinabalu said:
Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.Pulpstar said:
Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.FrancisUrquhart said:
Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....Pulpstar said:
I noted this tooFrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.
He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
There were stories that it was a punishment thing, by the Germans and that in some cases the machine gunners were *chained* to the gun. Though this was almost certainly misunderstanding of the way that the Germans carried their heavy machine guns - it involved a kind of harness to carry the load of the gun, which ended with a chain attached to the gun.2 -
They could repeal the act by which they handed power over tariffs to the President... That was created originally so that the Roosevelt could undo Smoot–Hawley piecemeal by executive order.IanB2 said:
He's done so once already.noneoftheabove said:
What does Trump changing course look like?IanB2 said:
Trump will surely change course well before the DOW gets down to 30,000. Although the US was arguably due a correction anyway, making one your own fault isn't smart for any politician.noneoftheabove said:
Market crashes overshoot and then bounce back fairly quickly. My best guess would be the Dow bottoms out around 30-33k and ends the year around 40k. Buying now for long term is not terrible imo, but is really bad if any chance of getting spooked and selling in next few weeks.scampi25 said:
Not sure. Got to be people with cash looking at the cheap prices ..noneoftheabove said:
It will be! Another 10-15% to come in my mind.scampi25 said:FTSE now down 4.5% Dax 7% - less bad than Asia - maybe stabilising. Could be worse....
Not increasing China tariffs to 76% perhaps? He can't just row them back completely and quickly.
Congress is getting its act together to challenge his legal ability to act using emergency powers that were designed for a wartime situation.0 -
The penguin could be adopted by the “resistance” - MAGA hats v Penguin Hats, 🐧3
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👊🇬🇧🔥MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.3 -
It's not so much a plan as a known unknown. Vance took the Actuaries Gambit when he signed on last year. Frankly, the odds were pretty attractive from his point of view. Whether the price was worth it is something time will tell.Barnesian said:
That's the desperate Plan C. Shock and enrage Trump with a very public display of disloyalty (Vance starts 25th Amendment process) that Trump has a heart attack/stroke and dies or is disabled.david_herdson said:
Not to mention that Trump is 79 in a couple of months and the VP is a heartbeat from the presidency.Barnesian said:
I don't think Vance is a true believer.Nigelb said:
There are quite a few true believers like that in the administration.JosiasJessop said:
Vance is part of the regime, and has (publicly at least) been in lock-step with Trump over the tariffs. The poison us on his hands, too.Scott_xP said:
That's an interesting questionDecrepiterJohnL said:
President Vance might be worse.algarkirk said:
A coup is taking place in the USA. Is a counter-coup out of the question?Mexicanpete said:If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.
Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.
Although Vance is arguably more dangerous than Trump, he has none of the personal support
Truss was more dangerous than BoZo, but the Tories had no qualms about ditching her compared to him
I think if trump falls, the GOP try and claim a return to sanity which they won't let Vance mess up
I don't think this resolves itself quickly.
But he's very canny and he wants to be President.
So he is cynically out Trumping Trump to keep Trump's goodwill.
I suspect that his preferred route to the Presidency is to win in 2028 with Trump's endorsement, which he hasn't yet got.
But if it looks as if the GOP is wrecked by Trump and will lose in 2028, Vance will have to move to Plan B, 25th Amendment, and an "Adult in Charge" campaign running up to Nov 2028.2 -
Yes, I think that was noneoftheabove's point.Taz said:
Sprite is produced by the same company that makes coca-cola and coca-cola is produced in the U.K. at several locations.noneoftheabove said:
Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.1 -
This is an example of SOMETHING.
Republican Senator Keith Self quotes Joseph Goebbels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRBUrk_8jZ4
Not his first time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Self1 -
It's the 3 am knock on the door, the arrest, the taking away to unknown destination, the brief show trial, the bullet, all those things we have got used to so painfully in the past few months in formerly peaceful England.turbotubbs said:
OTT headline and a long whinge from the labour left wing about the most successful Labour PM since Tony Blair.williamglenn said:Worrying article in the National:
https://x.com/twlldun/status/1909144910655013027
As to New England however......1 -
4th also being their starting position ... and the fieldwork on that poll having been done between the 1st and the 10th of March.OldKingCole said:
Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?HYUFD said:
Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policiesisam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
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Not really. We all know that the National isn’t fit to wrap chips in and nonsense like that simply confirms it.williamglenn said:Worrying article in the National:
https://x.com/twlldun/status/19091449106550130270 -
But neither thing will solve the fundamental issues that the markets have which isChris said:
The really interesting thing will be if the Supreme Court rules against Trump and he refuses to accept it, as he has the judgments of other courts.vik said:
There are only two ways it can be resolved:Nigelb said:
There are quite a few true believers like that in the administration.JosiasJessop said:
Vance is part of the regime, and has (publicly at least) been in lock-step with Trump over the tariffs. The poison us on his hands, too.Scott_xP said:
That's an interesting questionDecrepiterJohnL said:
President Vance might be worse.algarkirk said:
A coup is taking place in the USA. Is a counter-coup out of the question?Mexicanpete said:If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.
Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.
Although Vance is arguably more dangerous than Trump, he has none of the personal support
Truss was more dangerous than BoZo, but the Tories had no qualms about ditching her compared to him
I think if trump falls, the GOP try and claim a return to sanity which they won't let Vance mess up
I don't think this resolves itself quickly.
1) The Senate & the House find a backbone & take away Trump's power to set tariffs.
OR
2) The courts step in & issue an injunction blocking the tariffs.
(A conservative group funded by Charles Koch is suing Trump over the tariffs. The fact that the plaintiffs are conservatives leads me to think that they must have pretty solid legal grounds for suing. Also, when the case reaches the Supreme Court, there is a high likelihood that at least Thomas & possibly also Alito might rule in favour, if Charles Koch is one of the parties to the dispute.)
1) the USA is no longer the reliable market everyone thought it was regardless of what congress / courts do
2) its likely that the world is going to be cautious going forward so the previous gung ho market viewpoint isn’t valid1 -
He's gone full Truss...
@NicholasABrown_
* TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES
* TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION
https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/19091978435767994192 -
Not very Self aware?MattW said:This is an example of SOMETHING.
Republican Senator Keith Self quotes Joseph Goebbels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRBUrk_8jZ4
Not his first time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Self0 -
This Trumpy thing has cut through to loads of people in the UK who take no interest in news, don't engage at all with politics, and especially take no interest in news or politics in abroadland. There are millions of these.MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.
I think a precipitating feature is the threat to Canada. Non political types like Canada. They know someone who has an aunt there. It is an icon of harmlessness and generalised decency.
More locally, in Cumbria, where I have lived for decades, there is a strong quiet aversion to people who big themselves up and draw attention to themselves. Trump scores a bit sub-optimally there too. He is begining to get a quiet mention here and there as not altogether a satisfactory person. It's even been mentioned in church, ('he isn't always very nice is he?') though not yet to the extent of knocking the coffee rota off prime spot.6 -
They are still not likely to shoot you but you may wake up in El Salvador with a less than gracious cell mate.algarkirk said:
It's the 3 am knock on the door, the arrest, the taking away to unknown destination, the brief show trial, the bullet, all those things we have got used to so painfully in the past few months in formerly peaceful England.turbotubbs said:
OTT headline and a long whinge from the labour left wing about the most successful Labour PM since Tony Blair.williamglenn said:Worrying article in the National:
https://x.com/twlldun/status/1909144910655013027
As to New England however......0 -
Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.Scott_xP said:He's gone full Truss...
@NicholasABrown_
* TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES
* TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION
https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419
So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.
He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different0 -
Is it not just a basic failure to understand ones' opponents that so many on the left exhibit? Clearly Labour staffers/agencies believe that everyone who votes for Reform is a flat out racist, and would be appalled at the idea that Nigel is similar to an uppity Nigerian woman or would 'let her in' somehow by the back door. How can you possibly hope to reach a group with messaging if your understanding of their concerns is limited to a two-dimensional caricature?OldKingCole said:
I suspect @Roger is right. Done in-house, probably in a hurry by someone who was told to do 'something ..... anything' but has never really thought about advertising before.isam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards3 -
Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?0
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Of the councils having elections the Tories are forecast to come first and win most councillors (though Reform would have won most seats had Essex, Norfolk and Suffolk not delayed their elections the forecast projects)OldKingCole said:
This pensioner, and user of care services, doesn't. Fair point about Tories being 3rd though.HYUFD said:
Nope, Labour London and the big city councils are not having local elections this year and nor are Scotland and Wales.OldKingCole said:
Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?HYUFD said:
Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policiesisam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
Only provincial England is having local elections this May for county and unitary councils and the English shires, from farmers to pensioners to small business owners and now the disabled too absolutely despise this Labour government
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
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No, in the 2021 local elections when these seats were last up Labour were second behind the Tories but still winning more county and unitary councillors than the LDs. Now Labour are forecast to collapse to 4th with even fewer county and unitary councillors than the LDs and Reform and the Tories still topMattW said:
4th also being their starting position ... and the fieldwork on that poll having been done between the 1st and the 10th of March.OldKingCole said:
Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?HYUFD said:
Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policiesisam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
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Hats off to Trump. He is doing a great job of reducing the inequality gap. Middle class will be pauperised soon. Winning.0
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FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!
It's called Ruffer Investment.
Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."
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But this is Trump's second presidency.noneoftheabove said:
Ever watched the Apprentice? As bad as that is, it is far more polished than a total newbies work.OldKingCole said:
I suspect @Roger is right. Done in-house, probably in a hurry by someone who was told to do 'something ..... anything' but has never really thought about advertising before.isam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards1 -
Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.eek said:
Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.Scott_xP said:He's gone full Truss...
@NicholasABrown_
* TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES
* TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION
https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419
So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.
He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different
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Cant we just create a reality show for him where he pretends to be president complete with cheering crowds and a golf course adjacent to the whitehouse.Scott_xP said:He's gone full Truss...
@NicholasABrown_
* TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES
* TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION
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But why a remake instead of something new? It's not that the story was particularly special, it's just that the presentation was direct and brutal.rottenborough said:Paging @Leon
Threads is to be remade as a TV series.0 -
They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.rottenborough said:
Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.eek said:
Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.Scott_xP said:He's gone full Truss...
@NicholasABrown_
* TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES
* TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION
https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419
So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.
He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different0 -
It's hard to recapture lightning in a bottleFoss said:
But why a remake instead of something new? It's not that the story was particularly special, it's just that the presentation was direct and brutal.rottenborough said:Paging @Leon
Threads is to be remade as a TV series.0 -
You're not really hip with these "memes" the kids are going on about on that there "internet", are you?HYUFD said:
Why? You may dislike his policies but for now he remains all powerful and will remain so until at least the midtermsScott_xP said:Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?
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Coke contributes more to our visible trade deficit with Japan than the US.Taz said:
Sprite is produced by the same company that makes coca-cola and coca-cola is produced in the U.K. at several locations.noneoftheabove said:
Swapped it for Pepsi? Or Sprite?MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.0 -
Steve Davies
@SteveDavies365
Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵
Steve Davies
@SteveDavies365
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57m
This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.
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Mainly because the Tories have 100s of spare seats to lose to raise Reform and LD and keep themselves above Labour even if Labour seats stay fairly static from 2021.HYUFD said:
No, in the 2021 local elections when these seats were last up Labour were second behind the Tories but still winning more county and unitary councillors than the LDs. Now Labour are forecast to collapse to 4th with even fewer county and unitary councillors than the LDs and Reform and the Tories still topMattW said:
4th also being their starting position ... and the fieldwork on that poll having been done between the 1st and the 10th of March.OldKingCole said:
Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?HYUFD said:
Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policiesisam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_Kingdom_local_elections1 -
https://www.prolificnorth.co.uk/news/adolescence-creators-to-remake-terrifying-1984-drama-threads/rottenborough said:Paging @Leon
Threads is to be remade as a TV series.
Similarly, Denis Villeneuve has optioned[1] a similar 2024 novel[2]
[1] https://deadline.com/2024/04/nuclear-war-movie-denis-villeneuve-legendary-dune-part-two-bestselling-book-1235876114/
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As a good(?) Catholic, I'm sure he's aware of Matthew 16:26david_herdson said:
It's not so much a plan as a known unknown. Vance took the Actuaries Gambit when he signed on last year. Frankly, the odds were pretty attractive from his point of view. Whether the price was worth it is something time will tell.Barnesian said:
That's the desperate Plan C. Shock and enrage Trump with a very public display of disloyalty (Vance starts 25th Amendment process) that Trump has a heart attack/stroke and dies or is disabled.david_herdson said:
Not to mention that Trump is 79 in a couple of months and the VP is a heartbeat from the presidency.Barnesian said:
I don't think Vance is a true believer.Nigelb said:
There are quite a few true believers like that in the administration.JosiasJessop said:
Vance is part of the regime, and has (publicly at least) been in lock-step with Trump over the tariffs. The poison us on his hands, too.Scott_xP said:
That's an interesting questionDecrepiterJohnL said:
President Vance might be worse.algarkirk said:
A coup is taking place in the USA. Is a counter-coup out of the question?Mexicanpete said:If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.
Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.
Although Vance is arguably more dangerous than Trump, he has none of the personal support
Truss was more dangerous than BoZo, but the Tories had no qualms about ditching her compared to him
I think if trump falls, the GOP try and claim a return to sanity which they won't let Vance mess up
I don't think this resolves itself quickly.
But he's very canny and he wants to be President.
So he is cynically out Trumping Trump to keep Trump's goodwill.
I suspect that his preferred route to the Presidency is to win in 2028 with Trump's endorsement, which he hasn't yet got.
But if it looks as if the GOP is wrecked by Trump and will lose in 2028, Vance will have to move to Plan B, 25th Amendment, and an "Adult in Charge" campaign running up to Nov 2028.0 -
Oh yes, let's have Donald Trump setting interest rates as well.Luckyguy1983 said:
They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.rottenborough said:
Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.eek said:
Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.Scott_xP said:He's gone full Truss...
@NicholasABrown_
* TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES
* TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION
https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419
So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.
He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different2 -
Ah, you're getting ready to blame the Fed in the same way you blamed the OBR for Truss. Powell's assertion of his independence is one of the few things holding the US economy together at the moment.Luckyguy1983 said:
They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.rottenborough said:
Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.eek said:
Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.Scott_xP said:He's gone full Truss...
@NicholasABrown_
* TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES
* TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION
https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419
So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.
He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different
"Murky".1 -
As the trenches had right angle bends every few yards to minmise bombardmnt casualities and this tactic , I guessing this is a post-wartime myth?OldKingCole said:
I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.kinabalu said:
Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.Pulpstar said:
Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.FrancisUrquhart said:
Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....Pulpstar said:
I noted this tooFrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.
He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
E.g. USA Training trenches 1917
https://openorangenc.org/sites/default/files/images/u18/1918trenchmap.jpg
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Yep, to be fair though thoughts like "maybe he is the next Hitler?" are a tad disturbing and something you can easily understand people wanting to disregard.rottenborough said:Steve Davies
@SteveDavies365
Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵
Steve Davies
@SteveDavies365
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57m
This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.
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The one that really stood out for me was with the UK military community, when Vance deprecated (I'm being polite) all those who had served alongside USA service people in Iraq and Afghanistan - of whom from this country there were more than 250k.algarkirk said:
This Trumpy thing has cut through to loads of people in the UK who take no interest in news, don't engage at all with politics, and especially take no interest in news or politics in abroadland. There are millions of these.MarqueeMark said:Donald vs. Devon: lady in the local garage as I was paying for fuel.
"Oh - I'm not sure we should be buying American Coca Cola now should we?"
She put it back.
I think a precipitating feature is the threat to Canada. Non political types like Canada. They know someone who has an aunt there. It is an icon of harmlessness and generalised decency.
More locally, in Cumbria, where I have lived for decades, there is a strong quiet aversion to people who big themselves up and draw attention to themselves. Trump scores a bit sub-optimally there too. He is begining to get a quiet mention here and there as not altogether a satisfactory person. It's even been mentioned in church, ('he isn't always very nice is he?') though not yet to the extent of knocking the coffee rota off prime spot.
You can say a lot of things around the operations. Pouring vitriol on the graves of their 800+ dead colleagues is not one of them.
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Machine guns were sited so as to have wide fields of fire. So that multiple guns could be brought be bear on a particular spot. This wasn't about shooting down the trench, but keeping the area in front of the trenches swept with bullets.sarissa said:
As the trenches had right angle bends every few yards to minmise bombardmnt casualities and this tactic , I guessing this is a post-wartime myth?OldKingCole said:
I was reading somewhere that during WWI when the Germans retreated from a trench they left someone with a machine-gun to fire at the Allied troops when they came into the trench.kinabalu said:
Bit late for him to have a rethink. It's like with those German magnates who thought they could control Hitler.Pulpstar said:
Elon probably praying to be dumped now tbh.FrancisUrquhart said:
Can't be long until....Elon, i never like him, tiny man, everybody calls him Elon the idiot, playing with his little toy rockets....Pulpstar said:
I noted this tooFrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Elon is off the Trump train, he has just posted a video from Milton Friedman explaining the power of free trade to make pencils as an example of how free trade is the best for everybody.
He had limited ammunition and was expected to surrender when it ran out.
Unfortunately for him the general response to his surrender was "too late, mate." Bang!
E.g. USA Training trenches 1917
https://openorangenc.org/sites/default/files/images/u18/1918trenchmap.jpg
Hence the Race To The Parapet during an attack - the attackers, waiting in No Mans Land, behind the artillery barrage, vs the soldiers in the deep bunkers waiting for the barrage to finish. When it did, the attackers would charge, and the bunker occupants would race back to the surface to get their machine guns set up.0 -
Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!Scott_xP said:Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?
https://x.com/ryanradia/status/1909023767281426917?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q0 -
JD Vance certainly has.glw said:
Yep, to be fair though thoughts like "maybe he is the next Hitler?" are a tad disturbing and something you can easily understand people wanting to disregard.rottenborough said:Steve Davies
@SteveDavies365
Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵
Steve Davies
@SteveDavies365
·
57m
This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.
https://x.com/SteveDavies365/status/19091891003110850641 -
"Do the rates have to be positive? Why don't we make them negative? Then the banks give people who take loans out, extra cash to spend. Why has no one thought of this before? I am a bigly genius."kinabalu said:
Oh yes, let's have Donald Trump setting interest rates as well.Luckyguy1983 said:
They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.rottenborough said:
Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.eek said:
Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.Scott_xP said:He's gone full Truss...
@NicholasABrown_
* TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES
* TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION
https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419
So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.
He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different0 -
Neutral? That's a bit optimistic.HYUFD said:
He won't, for starters as France and the UK have nuclear weapons and if he invaded a NATO nation it would be WW3 even if the US stayed neutralPeter_the_Punter said:
You believe him?HYUFD said:
While Putin may want to rebuild the USSR even he has said he does not want to invade Western EuropeMexicanpete said:If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.
Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.
Maybe he doesn't need to if he can get Special Agent Donald to do it for him.1 -
You cant have politics as a gameshow no matter how entertaining it is. But we are all guilty. If you want to have a properly functioning democracy you have to take time to undetstand the issues . If you are unable to do that you shouldnt vote.glw said:
Yep, to be fair though thoughts like "maybe he is the next Hitler?" are a tad disturbing and something you can easily understand people wanting to disregard.rottenborough said:Steve Davies
@SteveDavies365
Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵
Steve Davies
@SteveDavies365
·
57m
This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.
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Orange Monday is trending.0
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isam said:
Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!Scott_xP said:Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?
https://x.com/ryanradia/status/1909023767281426917?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Sadly unrealistic
Bitcoin is down 7%...0 -
Think of Donald Trump as doing gods work. Making people like you poorer to reduce inequality.kinabalu said:
Oh yes, let's have Donald Trump setting interest rates as well.Luckyguy1983 said:
They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.rottenborough said:
Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.eek said:
Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.Scott_xP said:He's gone full Truss...
@NicholasABrown_
* TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES
* TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION
https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419
So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.
He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different0 -
We're not talking about Joe Public here though: these are highly-paid financial operatives whose job is to understand, predict and react in anticipation of this stuff.glw said:
Yep, to be fair though thoughts like "maybe he is the next Hitler?" are a tad disturbing and something you can easily understand people wanting to disregard.rottenborough said:Steve Davies
@SteveDavies365
Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵
Steve Davies
@SteveDavies365
·
57m
This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.
https://x.com/SteveDavies365/status/19091891003110850641 -
Couple of days after Bessant called it a new "store of value".Scott_xP said:isam said:
Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!Scott_xP said:Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?
https://x.com/ryanradia/status/1909023767281426917?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Sadly unrealistic
Bitcoin is down 7%...0 -
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Because that sort of thing has worked out so well for Erdogan.kinabalu said:
Oh yes, let's have Donald Trump setting interest rates as well.Luckyguy1983 said:
They shouldn't really be independent - it's a very murky state of affairs.rottenborough said:
Can't see Trump allowing the Fed to remain independent much longer.eek said:
Well if the tariffs are creating inflation, increased interest rates aren’t going to solve the issue as the prices are being driven by supply issues not demand.Scott_xP said:He's gone full Truss...
@NicholasABrown_
* TRUMP: FED SHOULD CUT RATES
* TRUMP: THERE IS NO INFLATION
https://x.com/NicholasABrown_/status/1909197843576799419
So Trump is actually right there reducing interest rates may help.
He’s also right that today there is no inflation because the announcement was less than a week ago. The view in a months time (and especially is 3 months time) may be very different1 -
Jamie Dimon latest to come off the orange bandwagon0
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There is a line in The Big ShortNigelb said:
Couple of days after Bessant called it a new "store of value".Scott_xP said:isam said:
Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!Scott_xP said:Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?
https://x.com/ryanradia/status/1909023767281426917?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Sadly unrealistic
Bitcoin is down 7%...
Something like "I want to know every investment that guy ever mentioned, and short the hell out of it..."1 -
Though even accounting for that Electoral Calculus still forecasts Labour will lose in May 56 of the council seats they won even in 2021 (which was the last set of local elections Labour failed to win)Pro_Rata said:
Mainly because the Tories have 100s of spare seats to lose to raise Reform and LD and keep themselves above Labour even if Labour seats stay fairly static from 2021.HYUFD said:
No, in the 2021 local elections when these seats were last up Labour were second behind the Tories but still winning more county and unitary councillors than the LDs. Now Labour are forecast to collapse to 4th with even fewer county and unitary councillors than the LDs and Reform and the Tories still topMattW said:
4th also being their starting position ... and the fieldwork on that poll having been done between the 1st and the 10th of March.OldKingCole said:
Isn't it more likely to be LD 1st, Reform 2nd, Lab 3rd and Tories 4th?HYUFD said:
Current EC forecast for May 1st local elections is for Labour to come 4th in terms of councillors won, behind the Tories and Reform (and LDs) which would be little more than they deserve after that poster and their recent policiesisam said:
It’s still on their Twitter feedPeter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Roger.Roger said:
I don't know but I don't believe it was genuine. No Ad agency would produce something that couldn't work. Even the most junior trainee put down artist would have spotted the problem. It's possible they did it in-house and if so it'll teach them a useful lesson.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's an impolite way, but accurate.Roger said:
"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?Scott_xP said:
There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"Nigelb said:Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055
Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?
It might actually have worked with Trump/Farage, but I guess it's in the round filing basket now, where it belongs.
If the Tories or Reform mocked up a photo of a black, female lefty with a straight white man there would be calls for resignations of party leaders, and much ‘pearl clutching’ as @stuartinromford says. Two-tier moral stances to add to the rest of the double standards
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_Kingdom_local_elections
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This is worth a read, as a somewhat contrary view:
https://unherd.com/2025/04/will-trump-win-his-tariff-stand-off/0 -
Never thought I'd read a contrarian viewpoint in Unheard.IanB2 said:This is worth a read, as a somewhat contrary view:
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For those that still believe that Trump's playing 4D chess (or those just looking for silver linings) - these lower oil prices will be hurting Russia bigly0
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Fox News could do the World a favour by replacing their onscreen stock ticker with live Trump approval ratings0
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I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?0
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I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s n interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.rottenborough said:Andy Bruce (Reuters)
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FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!
It's called Ruffer Investment.
Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."
https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s
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I don't think anything Trump has done (or not done) so far is going to significantly alter his level of support with the people who voted for him in November.0
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His Maga core no, if the Independent swing voters who voted for him see their cost of living rise significantly though they could easily swing back to the Democrats ie the voters who voted for him or went third party in 2016, for Biden in 2020 and back to Trump again in 2024Andy_JS said:I don't think anything Trump has done (or not done) so far is going to significantly alter his level of support with the people who voted for him in November.
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Yes, I pointed out the same last week!isam said:I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?
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https://bsky.app/profile/briantylercohen.bsky.social/post/3lm65bbp7zs2oAndy_JS said:I don't think anything Trump has done (or not done) so far is going to significantly alter his level of support with the people who voted for him in November.
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The issue is of course the credibility gap between what Trump says and what Trump doesFoxy said:
Yes, I pointed out the same last week!isam said:I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?
In his first term, Trump said he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue
Nobody thought he would really do it
Now when trump said we would kill the US economy, nobody thought he would really do it...0 -
I don't think even the pessimists expected anything quite as bananas as what Trump came up with.isam said:I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?
And the "I regard any trade deficit as a loss" is so batshit it makes any realistic negotiation with him impossible.
A 10% tariff across the board, for example, might have encouraged, over time, onshoring of production at the margin, and would have raised a shitload of tax, while provoking only a fraction of the current response.
While a lot of people (including me) would have argued against it, it wouldn't have been regarded as utterly irrational.
As it is, we're dealing with a man who has completely lost what little sense he had.
(FWIW, I did actually predict that he might crater the world economy with tariffs, before the election.
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I wouldn’t say what he is doing in Bishop Auckland is particularly religious - but it focuses on the Bishop’s palace so it’s not surprising that it has a museum that focuses on faith there.IanB2 said:
I met Mr Ruffer once, and had a very interesting conversation with him. He’s n interesting, if unusual, guy, and I’ve had a decent holding in his trust since then. I too noticed it is the only thing going up today. He’s been expecting some sort of crash for some time, and holds a fair bit of gold.rottenborough said:Andy Bruce (Reuters)
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FTSE 250 - there is a company in the green!
It's called Ruffer Investment.
Its website says: "Ruffer Investment Company Limited has a simple but unusual aim – to generate consistent positive returns, however financial markets are performing."
https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3lm7lmahsnk2s
He does a lot of philanthropy, as well, although sadly much of it is religious
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I’ve been withdrawing so much cash from my spread betting account late last week that they’re now asking me for bank statements and a stack of ID.isam said:I didn’t follow the news around what Trump said he was going to do regarding tariffs, but if it was known that he intended to hit every country with them, why didn’t the world and his wife short the companies that were likely to be affected, o as well as the FTSE etc?
The one thing that fooled me is that on the first day the US sunk but the UK didn’t, hence I closed out the UK position, only to see the UK indices sinking the day after.0 -
So who is this regime's Doenitz, and will it do them any good?MattW said:
Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!Scott_xP said:Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?
I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.
For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.0 -
Stephen Miller - Goebbels.MattW said:
Have you never heard of Twitter/X??!Scott_xP said:Has nobody done a Trump Downfall yet?
I think Trump is closer to Hermann Goering than Hitler, except that Goering was a faithful husband and a war hero not a draft dodger.
For JD Vance, I suggest Himmler.
A suggestion with a long history.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/5/1687333/-Trump-s-Stephen-Miller-and-Hitler-s-Joseph-Goebbels-are-chillingly-similar0 -
I've got to be honest I've not seen a lot of evidence in the last couple of decades for their being much correlation between high-pay and prescience.david_herdson said:
We're not talking about Joe Public here though: these are highly-paid financial operatives whose job is to understand, predict and react in anticipation of this stuff.glw said:
Yep, to be fair though thoughts like "maybe he is the next Hitler?" are a tad disturbing and something you can easily understand people wanting to disregard.rottenborough said:Steve Davies
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Reading the reactions of financiers today, the overwhelming impression is they don't get it. They are convince that this is just bargaining and the tariffs will be reduced or massaged. When they realise that isn't going to happen the meltdown will really start.🧵
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This is revealing of how so many players cannot imagine anything other than what they are used to, the neoliberal consensus. Also, it shows they do not take politics seriously, they see it as a form of bargaining/entertainment subordinate to economics.
https://x.com/SteveDavies365/status/19091891003110850643
