Punters react to the tariff announcements – politicalbetting.com

@kenjennings.bsky.social‬

This is really unfair to everyone who just voted for him for the racism.

https://bsky.app/profile/kenjennings.bsky.social/post/3lm6oqv6vks26

Nigelb said:

The US/EU trade deal might be a bit if a stretch...

Trump calls for Europe to pay reparations to the US: "We put a big tariff on Europe. They are coming to the table. They want to talk, but there's no talk unless they pay us a lot of money on a yearly basis number one for present but also for past."
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1909034677727272997

LOL

Trump, Johnson and Farage are frauds. Incompetent, and in the case of Trump malevolent, frauds. But no-one is going to admit to that obvious fact if they have supported them.

Nigelb said:

Unusually, true.

Trump: We're on track to fully eliminate capital gains tax in 2025
https://x.com/itsCblast/status/1909014434380714457

Lol! He's certainly helping my loss claims.

Maybe we all make like Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder in The Producers?

Peter_the_Punter said:

Nigelb said:

Unusually, true.

Trump: We're on track to fully eliminate capital gains tax in 2025
https://x.com/itsCblast/status/1909014434380714457

Lol! He's certainly helping my loss claims.

Maybe we all make like Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder in The Producers?

How did that turn out for them ?

Scott_xP said:

@kenjennings.bsky.social‬

This is really unfair to everyone who just voted for him for the racism.

https://bsky.app/profile/kenjennings.bsky.social/post/3lm6oqv6vks26

Some of those are very funny! Americans have quite a talent for pithy headlines...

SUPER -CALLOUS -FACIST -RACIST -SEXIST -NAZI -POTUS

Anas as ever showing his immaculate sense of timing.

https://x.com/neilsocialist/status/1908937011177676997?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

Roger said:

Scott_xP said:

@kenjennings.bsky.social‬

This is really unfair to everyone who just voted for him for the racism.

https://bsky.app/profile/kenjennings.bsky.social/post/3lm6oqv6vks26

Some of those are very funny! Americans have quite a talent for pithy headlines...

SUPER -CALLOUS -FACIST -RACIST -SEXIST -NAZI -POTUS

That's been stolen from Scotland - "Super Caley Go Ballistic, Celtic Are Atrocious".

Eabhal said:

Roger said:

Scott_xP said:

@kenjennings.bsky.social‬

This is really unfair to everyone who just voted for him for the racism.

https://bsky.app/profile/kenjennings.bsky.social/post/3lm6oqv6vks26

Some of those are very funny! Americans have quite a talent for pithy headlines...

SUPER -CALLOUS -FACIST -RACIST -SEXIST -NAZI -POTUS

That's been stolen from Scotland - "Super Caley Go Ballistic, Celtic Are Atrocious".

Stolen from England.

The Liverpool Echo had the original headline

"SUPER CALLY GOES BALLISTIC, QPR ATROCIOUS" after Ian Callaghan tore apart Queens Park Rangers has been much mimicked.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-23878907

Scotland has this entry.

"Drunken bucking bronco gran jailed for biting Orangemen's legs at Ayrshire village fun day".

It'll all be over by Xmas.

Nigelb said:

Unusually, true.

Trump: We're on track to fully eliminate capital gains tax in 2025
https://x.com/itsCblast/status/1909014434380714457

LOL. And utterly perverse of course. All western societies need to find new and better ways of taxing capital so they can reduce the burden on income.

FTSE down 6% at open

@IGcom

🚨 Defence stocks dive

Rolls-Royce sinks another 12%
Rheinmetall down 20%

FTSE 100 has tumbled from record highs to a 1-year low in just a month.

At what point does this become a systemic financial crisis?

Eabhal said:

At what point does this become a systemic financial crisis?

6 Nov 24?

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

RochdalePioneers said:

This week is key. It appears that the trade war is heating up, not cooling down. MAGA claims to have dozens of countries now negotiating with the US. Really? And a negotiation that will go to the US position?

America voted for this. I hope they enjoy Gilead. Because we know where this is going. The US vs ROW trade war makes Murica even more insulated. One of the free speech things they are trying to ram down our throats is the "christian" right funding anti-Abortion campaigners here. As the US closes its borders to the world, with illegal aliens being rounded up out of their homes and workplaces, the womenfolk are next.

As the rout continues this week I hope that global consumers apply even more pressure as Canadian ones have done.

If Kemi has any sense she'll be making "Buy British, don't buy American" announcements.

It seems probable, therefore, that she’ll go on TV to say Trump has every right to erect tariffs.

Or. "Now is the time to buy American."
If she's feeling bold.

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

Eabhal said:

At what point does this become a systemic financial crisis?

Good morning

Isn't it already ?

The world order has changed and a new one excluding the US is urgently needed to be formed

Are the world's leaders upto it ?

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

RochdalePioneers said:

This week is key. It appears that the trade war is heating up, not cooling down. MAGA claims to have dozens of countries now negotiating with the US. Really? And a negotiation that will go to the US position?

America voted for this. I hope they enjoy Gilead. Because we know where this is going. The US vs ROW trade war makes Murica even more insulated. One of the free speech things they are trying to ram down our throats is the "christian" right funding anti-Abortion campaigners here. As the US closes its borders to the world, with illegal aliens being rounded up out of their homes and workplaces, the womenfolk are next.

As the rout continues this week I hope that global consumers apply even more pressure as Canadian ones have done.

If Kemi has any sense she'll be making "Buy British, don't buy American" announcements.

It seems probable, therefore, that she’ll go on TV to say Trump has every right to erect tariffs.

Its a good test for Kemi to see if she's in some weird bubble.

Eabhal said:

I still haven't looked at my ISA

Best not to, it is not pretty

DavidL said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

All of that is true - statistically. Here's the problem. When your economy has massive structural issues all of that can be true on paper, but in the real economy your lived experience is the opposite. And when people try and quote statistics at you to prove your lived experience is wrong, you react by voting aggressively against those people.

This is also true in America. A few of us were pointing out just how bad things were in the real world back when Rishi had supposedly stabilised the ship and delivered "tax cuts". In reality as prices went up and people saw the "tax cuts" increase the amount of tax they were paying, the anger increased.

Murica voted for Trump because he offered crayon solutions having actually listened to their problems. In Britain an awful number of people are going to vote for Reform for the exact same reason.

This made me laugh. I was looking for something that might follow on from my WW1 theme.

AI offers this

"The phrase "It'll All Be Over by Xmas" is a reference to the 1988 album by The Goo Goo Dolls, titled "It's Christmas All Over", which was a collection of Christmas songs, including some original tracks and covers."

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

Doesnt that rather depend on who you are ?

The people at the top had it great, those at the bottom less so.

Trump is certainly changing that. Soon everyone will be poor.

Are you sure he's not a communist?

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

Doesnt that rather depend on who you are ?

The people at the top had it great, those at the bottom less so.

Hence the reference to "very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans". But Biden's CHIP Act and other policies to encourage internal production, whilst probably breaching the now defunct WTO rules, were putting the US back towards a viable path, certainly more viable than a step off a cliff.

another_richard said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

Doesnt that rather depend on who you are ?

The people at the top had it great, those at the bottom less so.

That's an inequality problem.

How many American politicians, or even Americans in general, are bothered about that ?

They only worry when it looks like they ae going to lose access to power. Then it becomes the sodding voters dont know whats good for them and should be silenced.

Can anyone see Trump backing down?

To be honest, at first I did wonder if this were one of those situations where it all blows over and settles down, but at what point do we start doing this a crash. The numbers are shocking this morning.

And this is part of Trumps medicine? To make normal Americans poorer?

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

RochdalePioneers said:

This week is key. It appears that the trade war is heating up, not cooling down. MAGA claims to have dozens of countries now negotiating with the US. Really? And a negotiation that will go to the US position?

America voted for this. I hope they enjoy Gilead. Because we know where this is going. The US vs ROW trade war makes Murica even more insulated. One of the free speech things they are trying to ram down our throats is the "christian" right funding anti-Abortion campaigners here. As the US closes its borders to the world, with illegal aliens being rounded up out of their homes and workplaces, the womenfolk are next.

As the rout continues this week I hope that global consumers apply even more pressure as Canadian ones have done.

If Kemi has any sense she'll be making "Buy British, don't buy American" announcements.

It seems probable, therefore, that she’ll go on TV to say Trump has every right to erect tariffs.

Its a good test for Kemi to see if she's in some weird bubble.

Didn't KB spend the weekend cheerleading for the idea of a UK-US Big Trade Deal?

DavidL said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

Doesnt that rather depend on who you are ?

The people at the top had it great, those at the bottom less so.

Hence the reference to "very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans". But Biden's CHIP Act and other policies to encourage internal production, whilst probably breaching the now defunct WTO rules, were putting the US back towards a viable path, certainly more viable than a step off a cliff.

Biden was taking the US to bankruptcy a step at a time. Trump may be doing the same with a great leap, but alternatively if he stops the rot he'll have earned his keep.

Too early to say how this works out.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Eabhal said:

Roger said:

Scott_xP said:

@kenjennings.bsky.social‬

This is really unfair to everyone who just voted for him for the racism.

https://bsky.app/profile/kenjennings.bsky.social/post/3lm6oqv6vks26

Some of those are very funny! Americans have quite a talent for pithy headlines...

SUPER -CALLOUS -FACIST -RACIST -SEXIST -NAZI -POTUS

That's been stolen from Scotland - "Super Caley Go Ballistic, Celtic Are Atrocious".

Stolen from England.

The Liverpool Echo had the original headline

"SUPER CALLY GOES BALLISTIC, QPR ATROCIOUS" after Ian Callaghan tore apart Queens Park Rangers has been much mimicked.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-23878907

Scotland has this entry.

"Drunken bucking bronco gran jailed for biting Orangemen's legs at Ayrshire village fun day".

The Drongan story is brilliant, Supergran right enough.

RochdalePioneers said:

DavidL said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

All of that is true - statistically. Here's the problem. When your economy has massive structural issues all of that can be true on paper, but in the real economy your lived experience is the opposite. And when people try and quote statistics at you to prove your lived experience is wrong, you react by voting aggressively against those people.

This is also true in America. A few of us were pointing out just how bad things were in the real world back when Rishi had supposedly stabilised the ship and delivered "tax cuts". In reality as prices went up and people saw the "tax cuts" increase the amount of tax they were paying, the anger increased.

Murica voted for Trump because he offered crayon solutions having actually listened to their problems. In Britain an awful number of people are going to vote for Reform for the exact same reason.

There are millions of people both here and in the USA who thought they were doing badly when in fact they were doing fine.

Well they'll be doing badly in real life now.

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?

Eabhal said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

Doesnt that rather depend on who you are ?

The people at the top had it great, those at the bottom less so.

Works both ways - a small drop in earnings for people on the lowest incomes/wealth is devastating compared with a much bigger one for richer people. It also assumes that there is no link between stocks and the economy that poorer people live in, which is wrong. A recession is now highly likely.

When the rich and old stop spending its the young and poor who lose their jobs.

Just noting a particular USA court case, Garcia, which in some ways bodes even worse than the tariffs, and is quickly ongoing. It has had rather subdued coverage in the UK.

1) Garcia, not a USA national, lives in USA and a court order is in force forbidding his removal.

2) He has been captured and sent to an El Salvador prison with no process or rights

3) The USA government agrees it was a mistake and they have acted illegally

4) A judge has ordered his return to the USA by the end of today

5) The USA government has said "Can't, won't".

It is being followed in detail by Brian Tyler Cohen. The latest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOTgWhdkSZk

How can the orange idiot now call for reparations - ongoing annual payments to compensate USA for making crap products that nobody wants to buy?

The art of the squeal...

Luckyguy1983 said:

To @eek and the others questioning a Trump trade deal - I understand and have never really wanted a trade deal with the US anyway, however the negotiations for one were done by the last Tory Government with Trump before Biden came in and stopped it, so they are already quite progressed.

It is virtually impossible to get a UK-US trade deal. It is easy for politicians to talk about getting that trade deal and look like they are a mover and shaker. It is easy for journalists to write about.

Hence after every change of government, here or there, we get discussions on it, but it simply won't happen.

another_richard said:

RochdalePioneers said:

DavidL said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

All of that is true - statistically. Here's the problem. When your economy has massive structural issues all of that can be true on paper, but in the real economy your lived experience is the opposite. And when people try and quote statistics at you to prove your lived experience is wrong, you react by voting aggressively against those people.

This is also true in America. A few of us were pointing out just how bad things were in the real world back when Rishi had supposedly stabilised the ship and delivered "tax cuts". In reality as prices went up and people saw the "tax cuts" increase the amount of tax they were paying, the anger increased.

Murica voted for Trump because he offered crayon solutions having actually listened to their problems. In Britain an awful number of people are going to vote for Reform for the exact same reason.

There are millions of people both here and in the USA who thought they were doing badly when in fact they were doing fine.

Well they'll be doing badly in real life now.

I think you're partly right. It's true that both the media (mainstream and social) and politicians have conviced large numbers of people that they deserve better and that it's somebody else's fault that they don't have better. However, it's also true that rising inequality has created an underclass whose life situation has barely improved at all over the past few decades while others have grown much richer. It really is a toxic combination.

Nigelb said:

The US/EU trade deal might be a bit if a stretch...

Trump calls for Europe to pay reparations to the US: "We put a big tariff on Europe. They are coming to the table. They want to talk, but there's no talk unless they pay us a lot of money on a yearly basis number one for present but also for past."
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1909034677727272997

He's going to fold on the tariffs. This is warming up to a narrative of him extracting a massive deal out of the Europeans.

Penddu2 said:

How can the orange idiot now call for reparations - ongoing annual payments to compensate USA for making crap products that nobody wants to buy?

The art of the squeal...

The problem is that the US isn't making the products it imports - Nike don't make trainers in the US because if they did the retail price would be $500 not $150 (slight exaggeration but not by very much).

Flatlander said:

malcolmg said:

Eabhal said:

I still haven't looked at my ISA

Best not to, it is not pretty

Some of us have just retired. I think I'm down by my last 2 years salary.

I should know better by now but I'm surprised quite how sheep like the reaction has been. He's been saying he's going to do this for months.

He says lots of things. Some he does, some he doesnt do. Some he reverses after he does them, others he doubles down.

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

Doesnt that rather depend on who you are ?

The people at the top had it great, those at the bottom less so.

Hence the reference to "very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans". But Biden's CHIP Act and other policies to encourage internal production, whilst probably breaching the now defunct WTO rules, were putting the US back towards a viable path, certainly more viable than a step off a cliff.

Biden was taking the US to bankruptcy a step at a time. Trump may be doing the same with a great leap, but alternatively if he stops the rot he'll have earned his keep.

Too early to say how this works out.

Given a few Trump supporters here are oddly silent about their hero in recent days, it’s nice to see someone standing by his economic strategy.

Sorry, did I say “nice”? I meant, “bonkers”.

Trump is not stopping the rot. He has no understanding of how anything works. He has wrecked the world economy. He is ignoring the rule of law at home. He is going to make Americans, and us, poorer.

Eabhal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Eabhal said:

At what point does this become a systemic financial crisis?

Good morning

Isn't it already ?

The world order has changed and a new one excluding the US is urgently needed to be formed

Are the world's leaders upto it ?

Not really. It's a "just" a big correction so far, all the markets and banking systems etc are operating fine. Not my area of expertise at all, but it's a little concerning that those PBers who do know something about it are so quiet at the moment...

Notable that the Japanese banks fell about double the market as a whole.

bondegezou said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

They had an economy that had record employment, inflation coming down to target, a rapidly increasing number of new industrial jobs and benefitting from more infrastructure spending than had been seen in decades.

There was a lot wrong too, a large trade deficit, a significant, if declining, fiscal deficit and very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans. But compared with what they have now, it was nirvana.

Doesnt that rather depend on who you are ?

The people at the top had it great, those at the bottom less so.

Hence the reference to "very little improvement in the standard of living for many Americans". But Biden's CHIP Act and other policies to encourage internal production, whilst probably breaching the now defunct WTO rules, were putting the US back towards a viable path, certainly more viable than a step off a cliff.

Biden was taking the US to bankruptcy a step at a time. Trump may be doing the same with a great leap, but alternatively if he stops the rot he'll have earned his keep.

Too early to say how this works out.

Given a few Trump supporters here are oddly silent about their hero in recent days, it’s nice to see someone standing by his economic strategy.

Sorry, did I say “nice”? I meant, “bonkers”.

Trump is not stopping the rot. He has no understanding of how anything works. He has wrecked the world economy. He is ignoring the rule of law at home. He is going to make Americans, and us, poorer.

You dont know what the outcome will be any more than I do.

You just jump on the usual Trump bandwagon and scream like a banshee.

In fact in Trump 1.0 he called several things right. Europeans not carrying their fair share of defence, over dependency of Russian energy, China.

In Trump 2.0 it will be the same he will get some things right and some things wrong. Some of them like tariffs will impact the UK, but the UKs problems fundamentally can only be solved by the UK and Trump is just a distraction.

Flatlander said:

malcolmg said:

Eabhal said:

I still haven't looked at my ISA

Best not to, it is not pretty

Some of us have just retired. I think I'm down by my last 2 years salary.

I should know better by now but I'm surprised quite how sheep like the reaction has been. He's been saying he's going to do this for months.

I feel for you anyone retired last year or two and in shares will have lost for sure. I am still working but losing a shedload is still not helpful for sure.

noneoftheabove said:

scampi25 said:

FTSE now down 4.5% Dax 7% - less bad than Asia - maybe stabilising. Could be worse....

It will be! Another 10-15% to come in my mind.

Not sure. Got to be people with cash looking at the cheap prices ..

Roger said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

Miller: We had an economy that was in a state of calamity and catastrophe.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1908230980600791055

There comes a point when even low information voters who take their cue from social media will look at their own bank accounts and say "WTF???"

"Low information voters".....Is that the polite way of referring to Faragists?

It's an impolite way, but accurate.

Roger, I was interested in your views on that awful Labour ad featuring Kemi and, I think, Farage. Has it been pulled?

If Len Deighton had written a novel about a Soviet asset who was elected President of the USA and subsequently crashed the West to allow a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, no one would have read such ridiculous nonsense.

Everyone would have stopped reading at the point where a former stock broker from Dulwich assisted by an old Etonian Foreign Secretary who dresses like a clown and attends KGB run parties in Italy, engineers Britain out of the World 's largest friction free trade organisation.