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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785

    Wow. The Trump reference he could probably do without, but to receive this publicity on this issue in the Mail will be music to Sir Keir's ears. If the Right aren't panicking yet they should be. This is serious tanks-on-lawn stuff.
    It will never be enough for the hard core Refukers.

    But with the steep drop in immigration in the next figures, it is qoing to be a sharp contrast with the last government.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,219
    Foxy said:

    Your best guesses, depending on how much you like them.

    No grounding in evidence.
    The Sussexes (Sussexi? Sussexen?) would perhaps be Green Party voters, given that's the only party - I believe - to have embraced republicanism :wink:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    edited February 10
    Foxy said:

    It will never be enough for the hard core Refukers.

    But with the steep drop in immigration in the next figures, it is qoing to be a sharp contrast with the last government.
    Mainly because of Rishi's raising the visa wage requirement for new immigrants and dependents, little to do with what Starmer has done beyond kicking out a few illegals for the media.

    If Starmer had had his way we would also stlll be in the EU with EU free movement
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.

    Hopefully Elon has developed the right rocket to send up a nuke and deflect it into a different trajectory.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564

    But once Boris is back on the scene, Starmer's Farage tribute act will look irrelevant. The public will be left with a straight choice between the genuine article - Farage - and his nemesis, Boris, the scourge of Putin and champion of liberal values.
    I don't think I've ever seen the words 'genuine' and 'Farage' so closely together. I can almost feel a magnetic repulsion. Though now that I've written that - I can think of a few other words which would bring them together.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    kamski said:

    a

    you think maybe 59% of 18 year olds in Britain aren't British????
    Obviously so. They are the enemy within.

    The actual survey is far more interesting.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/gen-z-survey-police-racism-crime-nhs-hlghh0pxw
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    MaxPB said:

    Hopefully Elon has developed the right rocket to send up a nuke and deflect it into a different trajectory.
    We did test that. If it looked likely, we can deflect an asteroid of that size kinetically Doesn't need a nuke.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,219
    MaxPB said:

    Hopefully Elon has developed the right rocket to send up a nuke and deflect it into a different trajectory.
    Strong Don't Look Up vibes for me there :open_mouth:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Foxy said:

    Your best guesses, depending on how much you like them.

    No grounding in evidence.
    'Wyatt wrote that she was privately "much more pro-Conservative than the Queen or the Prince of the Wales". He claimed that before Mrs Thatcher's re-election for a third term as prime minister in 1987, the Queen Mother asked him anxiously: "The coming year - will it be all right?"

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/apr/01/queenmother.monarchy3
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    edited February 10
    Selebian said:

    The Sussexes (Sussexi? Sussexen?) would perhaps be Green Party voters, given that's the only party - I believe - to have embraced republicanism :wink:
    They haven't actually, Harry has kept his and his childrens place in the line of succession and they have also kept their Duke and Duchess titles. They just can't be bothered to do the work of working royals in boring parts of the provincial UK often in the rain when not on the throne when they could be in their mansion in the California sunshine with the odd trip out mainly for events with other celebs
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    HYUFD said:

    'Wyatt wrote that she was privately "much more pro-Conservative than the Queen or the Prince of the Wales". He claimed that before Mrs Thatcher's re-election for a third term as prime minister in 1987, the Queen Mother asked him anxiously: "The coming year - will it be all right?"

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/apr/01/queenmother.monarchy3
    Doing your best to destroy the myth of constitutional monarchy. You're on a roll today.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    Selebian said:

    The Sussexes (Sussexi? Sussexen?) would perhaps be Green Party voters, given that's the only party - I believe - to have embraced republicanism :wink:
    I read Harry's book. He is very critical of the way the institution of Monachy functions, but he is not a Republican.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,004
    edited February 10

    I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.

    That's 5000KT. If it hit London it could be serious.
    This is the impact of a 5000KT on Westminster.

    https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Barnesian said:

    That's 5000KT. If it hit London it could be serious.
    This is the impact of a 5000KT on Westminster.

    Wonder what Betjeman would say, seeing as Slough catches it in your scenario?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Barnesian said:

    That's 5000KT. If it hit London it could be serious.
    This is the impact of a 5000KT on Westminster.

    Most of Essex will be fine then
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Carnyx said:

    Doing your best to destroy the myth of constitutional monarchy. You're on a roll today.
    Hardly, they are entitled to private opinions just not public ones
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,219
    Barnesian said:

    That's 5000KT. If it hit London it could be serious.
    This is the impact of a 5000KT on Westminster.

    Come friendly asteroid and fall near Slough...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    HYUFD said:

    They haven't actually, Harry has kept his and his childrens place in the line of succession and they have also kept their Duke and Duchess titles. They just can't be bothered to do the work of working royals in boring parts of the provincial UK often in the rain when not on the throne when they could be in their mansion in the California sunshine with the odd trip out mainly for events with other celebs
    So you're arguing that hereditary royalty is futile?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,487
    Nigelb said:

    Hundreds of millions.

    Feeding frenzy: how army of advisers is making millions from Thames Water
    Court case points to sizeable fees being racked up as firm seeks £3bn loan to try to avoid temporary nationalisation
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/10/how-army-of-advisers-is-making-millions-from-thames-water-loan-court-case

    Just pull the rug, and nationalise it.

    Let the consultancy firms put in their inflated bills, then let Thames Water go bust, leaving the parasites to suffer bad debts.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    HYUFD said:

    Hardly, they are entitled to private opinions just not public ones
    But HMtQ's opinion was very public in re Indyref. TSE would be conflicted.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 889
    Selebian said:

    The Sussexes (Sussexi? Sussexen?) would perhaps be Green Party voters, given that's the only party - I believe - to have embraced republicanism :wink:
    Supermarket bags of cash, self-exempted from employment and housing legislation and tax allergic .... clearly they're all the very feudal one's nation Conservative.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,487
    HYUFD said:

    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    No Trump supporters? A good reason to keep the monarchy.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,004
    HYUFD said:

    Most of Essex will be fine then
    IF it hits Westminster. Clacton less so.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,219
    Foxy said:

    I read Harry's book. He is very critical of the way the institution of Monachy functions, but he is not a Republican.
    I stand corrected. Count Binface all the way then?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Carnyx said:

    So you're arguing that hereditary royalty is futile?
    Absolutely not, far better than a politician president even in the unlikely event we ever ended up with King Harry
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,331
    Cookie said:

    Where it WAS offered in a referendum it struggled to pass (and ISTR actually failed in places,albeit this was ignored).
    "More Europe" has almost never received an enthusiastic welcome at the ballot box.
    But anti European parties don't get elected- I think that counts as approval at the ballot box.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,219
    HYUFD said:

    Most of Essex will be fine then
    Well... as fine as it was before :lol:

    (I'm an Essex boy by birth, so I think I can get away with that)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,550
    @zerohedge

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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    Carnyx said:

    That was Indyref - and Cameron let the cat out of the bag in his getting her to intervene in politics.
    To continue the cat theme positively purring at the result according to Cam. They had to keep a hard watch on Trump for potential grabbing on his (first) state visit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    edited February 10
    Carnyx said:

    But HMtQ's opinion was very public in re Indyref. TSE would be conflicted.
    Since when is 'Think Very Carefully' the same as 'Vote Yes' or 'Vote No'?

    TSE is a tedious republican on this issue
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    HYUFD said:

    Absolutely not, far better than a politician president even in the unlikely event we ever ended up with King Harry
    The moment youy start picking and choosing which royalty meets your criteria for a True Tory you've lost - and you lost that years ago with your diatribes against H. Mountbatten-Windsor - who, in contrast to most of us, actually served in the armed forces in a combat zone (and woiuld have done more if they'd let him, as I understand it).
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,994
    algarkirk said:

    Has this result been Baxtered yet?
    Good time to.lose an election?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432

    The vaguely decent checkers look for footnoting and other reference stuff.

    I've seen people caught by this - "Oh whoops, I forgot to reference all the quotes I used...."
    They do, but do journalists understand this?
    ohnotnow said:

    My favourite Pertwee story I think. Though it's up against some stiff competition.
    The green death or the daemons for me. The latter as it was filmed local to me (well same county).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,934
    IanB2 said:

    There are two ways of reading that, one worse than the other.
    When a comma would have come in handy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Carnyx said:

    The moment youy start picking and choosing which royalty meets your criteria for a True Tory you've lost - and you lost that years ago with your diatribes against H. Mountbatten-Windsor - who, in contrast to most of us, actually served in the armed forces in a combat zone (and woiuld have done more if they'd let him, as I understand it).
    Which is precisely why I didn't you clueless ignoramus. If you had actually bothered to READ my reply saying I would accept even King Harry rather than cut and paste your pre conceived predicted answer!!!

    That doesn't change the fact Harry would just be a lower ranked army officer living in a 3 bed semi if he wasn't royal and Meghan wouldn't have touched him with a bargepole (mind you she would still be a C- list actress too)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    HYUFD said:

    Which is precisely why I didn't you clueless ignoramus. If you had actually bothered to READ my reply saying I would accept even King Harry rather than cut and paste your pre conceived predicted answer!!!

    That doesn't change the fact Harry would just be a lower ranked army officer living in a 3 bed semi if he wasn't royal and Meghan wouldn't have touched him with a bargepole (mind you she would still be a C- list actress too)
    You can't have it both ways. Eithewr they're royal and do the job or they're not royal and don't.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    Carnyx said:

    You can't have it both ways. Eithewr they're royal and do the job or they're not royal and don't.
    Harry hasn't abdicated. Neither for that matter has Andrew. They are just off the Civil List.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited February 10
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/10/1p-and-2p-coins-to-stay-in-use-as-trump-scraps-one-cent/

    I can only imagine what our resident anti-cash campaigner on here thinks....

    In the US, give a penny / take a penny has long since been common in shops so that people don't carry them around.
  • HYUFD said:

    Most of Essex will be fine then
    I see- the minute Romford is turned into an apocalyptic wasteland, the rest of Essex isn't interested any more.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited February 10
    On topic, i couldn't get past 30 minutes of Triggernometry interview with Kemi. If she can't shine when interviewed by those guys who give you loads of time and space to get your point over, no chance with much more aggressive interviewers.

    It was terrible stuff....i was great in government, i personally did loads, everybodies fault, but don't ask me for any ideas now, as i'm an engineer we do lots of planning first.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,550
    @annmarie

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  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,487
    Barnesian said:

    That's 5000KT. If it hit London it could be serious.
    This is the impact of a 5000KT on Westminster.

    https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
    Alternatively, it could hit Mar a Lago and make the world a better place.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,281
    Andy_JS said:

    He's right. Although the demoralising nature of constant social media use is probably also a factor.
    What's changed between 2004 and 2024? Find it hard to believe that education has changed that much. Probably a Brexit benefit.

    This

    https://natcen.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2024-09/british-social-attitudes-41-|-national-identity-1377.pdf

    has pride in Britain rising between 1995 and 2013, and falling between 2013 and 2023
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 623

    BBC1 exposing Labour's rental sector black mould crisis

    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    This shouldn't be happening under a Labour Government. This is disgusting. Starmer get a grip.

    AFAIK it's the Social landlords (RSL) who were the problem and not necessarily 'private' rented. RSLs should ensure their homes meet the Decent Homes Standard but a) do not always b) are slow to respond and c) are forced to rent at below market levels a.k.a. affordable. So they get caught out between lower income, higher costs, and tend to have higher levels of default.

    Housing is broken.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,090

    Perhaps Cookie's kids are privately educated.
    We need to stop denying this exists.

    It does occur in schools through the fulcrum of things like BHM and "values", as well as the NC. In addition, the lesson planning, the careful selection of source material, the tone set for class debate, and what the teacher looks approvingly on, all play a part in influencing attitudes.

    And it doesn't end in the classroom. As an adult, I've been lectured on Britain's original sins through compulsory DEI training, one of which included a full 4-minute clip of a speech in parliament by David Lammy.

    It was sufficiently bad for me to risk making a complaint about it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    kamski said:

    What's changed between 2004 and 2024? Find it hard to believe that education has changed that much. Probably a Brexit benefit.

    This

    https://natcen.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2024-09/british-social-attitudes-41-|-national-identity-1377.pdf

    has pride in Britain rising between 1995 and 2013, and falling between 2013 and 2023
    Perhaps pride in Britain rises under Labour governments and falls under Conservative led ones.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    I see- the minute Romford is turned into an apocalyptic wasteland, the rest of Essex isn't interested any more.
    Residents of Saffron Walden for example have as much in common with Romford as Slough does with Windsor
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Carnyx said:

    You can't have it both ways. Eithewr they're royal and do the job or they're not royal and don't.
    Unless you are reigning monarch (and I suppose their spouse) you don't need to do anything if you are royal, even if you remain in the line of succession. Working royals will probably be just cut down to William and Kate and their children once he becomes King anyway
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,559
    Many thanks to all those who clarified my confusion about QE2!

    I shall exile myself to TwiX in penance (for a few minutes).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,934
    Battlebus said:

    AFAIK it's the Social landlords (RSL) who were the problem and not necessarily 'private' rented. RSLs should ensure their homes meet the Decent Homes Standard but a) do not always b) are slow to respond and c) are forced to rent at below market levels a.k.a. affordable. So they get caught out between lower income, higher costs, and tend to have higher levels of default.

    Housing is broken.
    It was an across the board critique of private, housing association and council owned properties.
  • HYUFD said:

    Residents of Saffron Walden for example have as much in common with Romford as Slough does with Windsor
    Romford, like Ilford, has been part of Greater London since 1965. 60 years ago!
  • HYUFD said:

    Residents of Saffron Walden for example have as much in common with Romford as Slough does with Windsor
    That'll be you off Andrew Rosindell's Christmas Card list.

    You lucky thing.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008

    Put it this way.

    If the Earth were an apple, so far we haven't drilled through the skin.

    Besides, there's an awful lot we've been able to infer. Actually drilling down to the core (if it were possible) would spoil all the fun. Like looking in the back of the maths book for the answers.
    The answers were in the back? Now you tell me at least 15yrs too late 😖
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,281
    Foxy said:

    Obviously so. They are the enemy within.

    The actual survey is far more interesting.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/gen-z-survey-police-racism-crime-nhs-hlghh0pxw
    I see in 2024 only 57% of 50-64 year olds say they feel proud to be British - much less than the 80% of 2004 18-30 year olds. So probably pride in being British (and why should anyone feel proud or ashamed of what nationality they are?) has fallen in all age groups.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,281

    On topic, i couldn't get past 30 minutes of Triggernometry interview with Kemi. If she can't shine when interviewed by those guys who give you loads of time and space to get your point over, no chance with much more aggressive interviewers.

    It was terrible stuff....i was great in government, i personally did loads, everybodies fault, but don't ask me for any ideas now, as i'm an engineer we do lots of planning first.

    I'll have to take your word for it as I can't face it myself, so thanks.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    edited February 10
    Anybody else think Plymouth might be favourites against Man City?
  • What is NATO, if not a set of rules?

    The point is that membership of a group based on mutual recognition of a set of rules is an alternative to military deterrence for many countries. What, for example, is stopping Germany or France from simply annexing Luxembourg? It's certainly not Luxembourg's military strength.
    NATO is a military alliance, not a set of rules.

    There is no alternative to deterrence. Luxembourg hides behind our nuclear shield, but it is there.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,934
    Foxy said:

    Should be plenty of room for the new airport afterwards, and we might be able to link up HS1 and HS2.

    It's hard to see a downside.

    Luton survives?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,550

    Luton survives?
    How would anyone tell the difference?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,267

    With current technology sadly impossible. We can't even get the relatively short distance through the crust.
    I suspect the molten rock part may proven even more challenging.

    The molten metal part even more so.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/10/1p-and-2p-coins-to-stay-in-use-as-trump-scraps-one-cent/

    I can only imagine what our resident anti-cash campaigner on here thinks....

    In the US, give a penny / take a penny has long since been common in shops so that people don't carry them around.

    By the time we get round to scrapping the penny, we may as well scrap 2 pence and 5 pence at the same time.

    In any case it bothers me far less than it used to as I no longer use cash (as in, I don't think I've used it once in several years) so I don't accumulate pennies. So long as we don't waste money making new ones it doesn't bother me either way.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,482

    On topic, i couldn't get past 30 minutes of Triggernometry interview with Kemi. If she can't shine when interviewed by those guys who give you loads of time and space to get your point over, no chance with much more aggressive interviewers.

    It was terrible stuff....i was great in government, i personally did loads, everybodies fault, but don't ask me for any ideas now, as i'm an engineer we do lots of planning first.

    I skipped to a bit near the end where she started talking about Jonathan Haidt and it seemed very dull and predictable.

    She just lacks any gravitas as a political leader. She doesn't represent any particular constituency or ideology and other people express the ideas that she associates herself with better than she does.
  • I skipped to a bit near the end where she started talking about Jonathan Haidt and it seemed very dull and predictable.

    She just lacks any gravitas as a political leader. She doesn't represent any particular constituency or ideology and other people express the ideas that she associates herself with better than she does.
    The Kembot! :lol:
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 130

    NATO is a military alliance, not a set of rules.

    There is no alternative to deterrence. Luxembourg hides behind our nuclear shield, but it is there.
    Luxembourg would be surrounded by NATO member states' territory even if it were outside NATO.

    The big question regarding NATO at the moment is why has it set up shop in Jordan.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    WTF?? Assisted dying bill.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,135

    WTF?? Assisted dying bill.

    What's happened...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    Well, that's the end of that bill then.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    edited February 10
    Andy_JS said:

    What's happened...
    BBC news - exclusive. Bill will be changed to remove the judge being involved.

    Panel of "experts" to decide - which sounds like mainly a group of social workers and medical staff like psychiatrists.

    It's dead on arrival now imho.

    idiots.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,135
    Leon will have to fill us in on the details of this in due course.

    "The £3,800 secret lounge in Heathrow where you can buy a Hockney
    The £3m refurbishment is intended to set ‘a new benchmark for luxury travel’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/02/10/ultra-exclusive-secret-lounge-heathrow-buy-a-hockney/
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,540
    edited February 10

    Romford, like Ilford, has been part of Greater London since 1965. 60 years ago!
    They seem quite specific on the path over the earth's surface, just not how close that path will be. It's about 50/50 whether it'd be over land or sea.

    Possible cities for localised destruction or localised tsunamis from an air burst along the route could be (one of) Bogota, Accra, Lagos, Aden, Mumbai or Dhaka, but of course the swathes of deep ocean, rainforest and desert make up the large majority of the impact probability.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_YR4?wprov=sfla1
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,311
    Ratters said:

    I suspect the molten rock part may proven even more challenging.

    The molten metal part even more so. By the time we get round to scrapping the penny, we may as well scrap 2 pence and 5 pence at the same time.

    In any case it bothers me far less than it used to as I no longer use cash (as in, I don't think I've used it once in several years) so I don't accumulate pennies. So long as we don't waste money making new ones it doesn't bother me either way.

    Many years ago I learned from an early years teacher that the plastic pennies they used for teaching children cost more to buy than using the real thing.

    Your useless factoid for the day.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    kamski said:

    I see in 2024 only 57% of 50-64 year olds say they feel proud to be British - much less than the 80% of 2004 18-30 year olds. So probably pride in being British (and why should anyone feel proud or ashamed of what nationality they are?) has fallen in all age groups.
    I think that probably is true.

    In part it may be all the Reform and Tory voters who hate modern Britain.

    Of course, it all hinges on finding something to be proud of in Britain. It doesn't have to be chocolate box royalist.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    viewcode said:
    The Bill has now gone to meet its maker in the sky.

    Somewhat ironic.

    Oh well. Only another ten years to wait until the next attempt at reform.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,135
    edited February 10
    viewcode said:

    https://bsky.app/profile/leftiestats.bsky.social
    https://www.statsforlefties.com/
    https://nitter.poast.org/leftiestats/
    Their current prediction seems to indicate a Ref/Con/DUP government.
  • kamski said:

    I see in 2024 only 57% of 50-64 year olds say they feel proud to be British - much less than the 80% of 2004 18-30 year olds. So probably pride in being British (and why should anyone feel proud or ashamed of what nationality they are?) has fallen in all age groups.
    They've been given so little stake in their society why would anyone be surprised by their lack of enthusiasm towards it? 🤨
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,135

    They've been given so little stake in their society why would anyone be surprised by their lack of enthusiasm towards it? 🤨
    You shouldn't rely on others to give you a stake.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited February 10
    Foxy said:

    I think that probably is true.

    In part it may be all the Reform and Tory voters who hate modern Britain.

    Of course, it all hinges on finding something to be proud of in Britain. It doesn't have to be chocolate box royalist.
    Quite.
    Foxy said:

    I think that probably is true.

    In part it may be all the Reform and Tory voters who hate modern Britain.

    Of course, it all hinges on finding something to be proud of in Britain. It doesn't have to be chocolate box royalist.
    Quite. The heritage of the Presbyterians, Independents, Unitarians, Quakers and others who made modern Britain in the teeth of the Royalists and Tories (with some honourable and/or mixed exceptions). It's not fors nothing that key Systeme International units include such as Joule, Faraday, Kelvin, Watt ...
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,369
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Something like this is presumably what he has in mind...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/09/many-teachers-dont-want-to-do-this-but-theyre-trapped-film-shows-extent-of-putin-indoctrination-in-russian-schools
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,004

    BBC news - exclusive. Bill will be changed to remove the judge being involved.

    Panel of "experts" to decide - which sounds like mainly a group of social workers and medical staff like psychiatrists.

    It's dead on arrival now imho.

    idiots.
    That's an improvement. Judge added no value. Only delay and cost. More likely to get through now.
    My MP, Sarah Olney, voted against 2nd reading but was opposed to a judge's involvement. She's on the Committee. I have hopes that she'll now vote in favour of the bill.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,955
    edited February 10

    They do, but do journalists understand this? The green death or the daemons for me. The latter as it was filmed local to me (well same county).
    It has to have the Master, it has to be set on Earth it has to have Jo Grant and the Brigadier, it has to have a Man from the Ministry being stupid so Pertwee can shout at him. Bonus points for UNIT being shooty and explosions. So it's the Sea Devils, Claws of Axos, Green Death or the Daemons. Much as I would like to include the Claws of Peladon on political grounds, it doesn't have those components. The Three Doctors is of course wonderful. Hmm. An embarrasment of riches... :(

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,371
    Donald Trump draining the swamp!

    “Trump to pause enforcement of law banning bribery of foreign officials”
    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-pause.html
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,612
    Barnesian said:

    That's an improvement. Judge added no value. Only delay and cost. More likely to get through now.
    My MP, Sarah Olney, voted against 2nd reading but was opposed to a judge's involvement. She's on the Committee. I have hopes that she'll now vote in favour of the bill.
    I suspect its an improvement in terms of making the bill practical.
    But it isn't going to look good - and to be honest I'd want a bill which passes comfortably... it feels like even if it passes a future Tory/Reform govt will overturn it...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,371
    HYUFD said:

    Mainly because of Rishi's raising the visa wage requirement for new immigrants and dependents, little to do with what Starmer has done beyond kicking out a few illegals for the media.

    If Starmer had had his way we would also stlll be in the EU with EU free movement
    EU free movement worked great and delivered lower immigration than the Tories’ post-Brexit immigration rules to fill the same vacancies.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    HYUFD said:

    He failed to win either the Tory MPs or membership vote (while Sunak at least had won the MPs vote when he replaced Truss midterm) nor does he hold a front rank top 3 Shadow Cabinet role like Michael Howard as Shadow Chancellor did when he replaced IDS midterm or as Truss held when she replaced Boris or Boris had had when he replaced May ie they had both been Foreign Secretary.
    Both Stride and Philp have made next to zero impact. And they would be chucked out with the Kemi bathwater. It will be Jenrick if it's anyone before GE29.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,371
    viewcode said:

    It has to have the Master, it has to be set on Earth it has to have Jo Grant and the Brigadier, it has to have a Man from the Ministry being stupid so Pertwee can shout at him. Bonus points for UNIT being shooty and explosions. So it's the Sea Devils, Claws of Axos, Green Death or the Daemons. Much as I would like to include the Claws of Peladon on political grounds, it doesn't have those components. The Three Doctors is of course wonderful. Hmm. An embarrasment of riches... :(

    Day of the Daleks for me.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    viewcode said:

    It has to have the Master, it has to be set on Earth it has to have Jo Grant and the Brigadier, it has to have a Man from the Ministry being stupid so Pertwee can shout at him. Bonus points for UNIT being shooty and explosions. So it's the Sea Devils, Claws of Axos, Green Death or the Daemons. Much as I would like to include the Claws of Peladon on political grounds, it doesn't have those components. The Three Doctors is of course wonderful. Hmm. An embarrasment of riches... :(

    The sea devils of course has no unit, but the navy as unit stand ins. But I tend to agree with your logic.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,281
    Foxy said:

    I think that probably is true.

    In part it may be all the Reform and Tory voters who hate modern Britain.

    Of course, it all hinges on finding something to be proud of in Britain. It doesn't have to be chocolate box royalist.
    British people are seen as having a good sense of humour - at least in the rest of Europe - so maybe that's a quality to be proud of. So long as you have one.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    EU free movement worked great and delivered lower immigration than the Tories’ post-Brexit immigration rules to fill the same vacancies.
    I’d love to see a study of the respective quality (income, welfare dependency, education) of EU migration and the Boriswave.

    I highly suspect EU migration trumps the Boriswave.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,135

    Scandal hits the German Green leader:

    https://x.com/tom_nuttall/status/1888919745300152810

    It's not a real German election campaign until a senior politician has to deny that they plagiarised their doctorate.

    A bit odd when the accusations surface at this particular time, just before an election.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    kamski said:

    I'll have to take your word for it as I can't face it myself, so thanks.
    Same.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    edited February 10
    I heard a long-ish, mildly sympathetic interview with Kemi on one of the podcasts.

    She just came across as someone who has just discovered Politics 101.

    I know it’s popular to bash PPEs, but presumably they at least get a chance to figure out not just what they’re for, but why, at a formative age.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,281
    Andy_JS said:

    A bit odd when the accusations surface at this particular time, just before an election.
    The accusations are bollocks. Typos in references aren't plagiarism. It's part of a smear campaign against the Greens.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    Barnesian said:

    That's an improvement. Judge added no value. Only delay and cost. More likely to get through now.
    My MP, Sarah Olney, voted against 2nd reading but was opposed to a judge's involvement. She's on the Committee. I have hopes that she'll now vote in favour of the bill.
    We'll see.

    I think the Bill is dead now.

    Wavering types will conclude a massive safe guard has been removed.

    There are loads of MPs imho looking for a way to justify voting against as it seems such a big step.

    They just got given one.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477

    EU free movement worked great and delivered lower immigration than the Tories’ post-Brexit immigration rules to fill the same vacancies.
    I don't think anybody disputes this, but the latter was British Government policy that can be changed by electing a new Government, and the former was an immutable part of a permanent legal framework that could not be altered (except by leaving). So you can't really compare the two. I was fine with EU migration and thought those who came were great. But it happened that the social and economic trends (for the most part - there were some losers) worked in our favour with EU migration. To compare that with the current situation is to compare having a roof with a sunny day. The sunny day is better until it isn't and there's shit all you can do about it.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    I’m glad no muck-scrapers are digging out my dissertation of 2002 which found that, no, online debate did *not* cause political polarisation.

    Because I was totally wrong.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432

    Day of the Daleks for me.
    Always felt Pertwee was a bit harsh on the humans trying to save the Earth. “Sir Reginald didn’t blow up the conference- you did it yourselves!”. Yet they are just victims of a bootstrap paradox.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,692

    Donald Trump draining the swamp!

    “Trump to pause enforcement of law banning bribery of foreign officials”
    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-pause.html

    Not *that* swamp.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,275

    I skipped to a bit near the end where she started talking about Jonathan Haidt and it seemed very dull and predictable.

    She just lacks any gravitas as a political leader. She doesn't represent any particular constituency or ideology and other people express the ideas that she associates herself with better than she does.
    She has always come across as being a bit meandering and inexact. There was a chance that she would grow into the role and discover a bit more discipline, edge, and clarity of thought but it feels like she hasn’t been able to rise to meet it. A shame - I think that when she is at her best she is an interesting, articulate politician, but I don’t think she is a leader or election winner on current form.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,004
    edited February 10

    We'll see.

    I think the Bill is dead now.

    Wavering types will conclude a massive safe guard has been removed.

    There are loads of MPs imho looking for a way to justify voting against as it seems such a big step.

    They just got given one.
    We'll see

    As a matter of interest, are you in favour or against the bill?
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