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100 days in and so far it’s not looking good for Kemi Badenoch – politicalbetting.com

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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,091

    I’m glad no muck-scrapers are digging out my dissertation of 2002 which found that, no, online debate did *not* cause political polarisation.

    Because I was totally wrong.

    Everyone is allowed to be wrong. It’s not accepting your mistakes and moving on that’s the issue.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,909
    edited February 10

    I’m glad no muck-scrapers are digging out my dissertation of 2002 which found that, no, online debate did *not* cause political polarisation.

    Because I was totally wrong.

    Everyone is allowed to be wrong. It’s not accepting your mistakes and moving on that’s the issue.
    "I don't blame people for their mistakes. But I do ask that they pay for them."
  • I heard a long-ish, mildly sympathetic interview with Kemi on one of the podcasts.

    She just came across as someone who has just discovered Politics 101.

    I know it’s popular to bash PPEs, but presumably they at least get a chance to figure out not just what they’re for, but why, at a formative age.

    The curious thing is that having a philosophy, knowing what she was about, not just being another manager... That was meant to be part of what she was good at.

    Lest we forget, she put herself forward to be PM in the post-Johnson leadership election. OK, that was mostly to put down a marker for next time, but there are enough pratfalls in that sort of process that there was a non-zero risk of her getting the gig then.

    Is the right comparison JCorbz? Someone who decided on a set of prejudices in their late teens and sees no reason to go through that process again?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    RefUK have added about 4,500 members in 36 hours.

    https://www.reformparty.uk/counter
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,342
    Nigelb said:

    Barnesian said:

    I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.

    That's 5000KT. If it hit London it could be serious.
    This is the impact of a 5000KT on Westminster.

    https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
    Should have hedged our bets and done some levelling up in the North.
    The government will use all available skills and technology to ensure the asteroid is diverted sufficiently that it lands between Manchester and Leeds.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,914
    edited February 10

    I heard a long-ish, mildly sympathetic interview with Kemi on one of the podcasts.

    She just came across as someone who has just discovered Politics 101.

    I know it’s popular to bash PPEs, but presumably they at least get a chance to figure out not just what they’re for, but why, at a formative age.

    The curious thing is that having a philosophy, knowing what she was about, not just being another manager... That was meant to be part of what she was good at.

    Lest we forget, she put herself forward to be PM in the post-Johnson leadership election. OK, that was mostly to put down a marker for next time, but there are enough pratfalls in that sort of process that there was a non-zero risk of her getting the gig then.

    Is the right comparison JCorbz? Someone who decided on a set of prejudices in their late teens and sees no reason to go through that process again?
    Badenoch has the pro-enterprise, anti-slacker instincts of the lower middle class, along with its instinctive aversion to the sanctimony and hypocrisy of do-gooders.

    That’s actually fine, and maybe even good.

    It’s just that she is 45 years old and doesn’t actually know anything about political philosophy, public policy, foreign affairs, business or economics. She’s suddenly discovered Jonathan Haidt, but that’s not really the same thing.

    It’s “popular” to dismiss Rachel Reeves as “Rachel from Accounts”, but she is about a million times better qualified than “Kemi the Web Manager”.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    edited February 10

    I’m glad no muck-scrapers are digging out my dissertation of 2002 which found that, no, online debate did *not* cause political polarisation.

    Because I was totally wrong.

    The assertion was mostly true for about 10 years after publication.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,793

    Winchy said:

    Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
    No she didn't. That was the Scottish Indyref she said that about. And she wasn"t ambushed, she deliberately chatted to some wellwishers about it. And yes, that was an intervention on behalf of the status quo.

    By contrast, she was reported by her official biographer during the EU ref to be saying at dinner parties "Give me 3 good reasons why we're in Europe' - that report confirmed her view. Furthermore, when some idiot from Citibank (or a similar greedy monster corporation) was having a moan to her about the terrible fate that awaited Britain due to Brexit, she rather sharply countered that such things were hard to predict, given that nobody had predicted the global financial crisis. To which the hapless woman had to concede.

    She was wise, far-sighted and patriotic our Betty.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,914
    Andy_JS said:

    I’m glad no muck-scrapers are digging out my dissertation of 2002 which found that, no, online debate did *not* cause political polarisation.

    Because I was totally wrong.

    The assertion was mostly true for about 10 years after publication.
    In my defence it was pre-Facebook and pre-algorithms.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    edited February 10

    Donald Trump draining the swamp!

    “Trump to pause enforcement of law banning bribery of foreign officials”
    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-pause.html

    Jimmy Carter’s legacy being undone.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,091

    Andy_JS said:

    I’m glad no muck-scrapers are digging out my dissertation of 2002 which found that, no, online debate did *not* cause political polarisation.

    Because I was totally wrong.

    The assertion was mostly true for about 10 years after publication.
    In my defence it was pre-Facebook and pre-algorithms.
    Never apologise, never explain. Honest opinion, go with it.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    I’m glad no muck-scrapers are digging out my dissertation of 2002 which found that, no, online debate did *not* cause political polarisation.

    Because I was totally wrong.

    TBF, that was before smartphones let alone The Algorithm. Back then online debate was BBSs and newsgroups...
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 110
    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    a

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    It may be that only 41% of 18 year olds are British. I'm sure not of course, but the immigration numbers are huge and the birth rate differentials are substantial.

    Nonetheless it'll become tricky to man the floating scrapyards (oh sorry Brown's-carriers) that we have to desperately stop sinking in order to maintain our national pride.
    you think maybe 59% of 18 year olds in Britain aren't British????
    Obviously so. They are the enemy within.

    The actual survey is far more interesting.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/gen-z-survey-police-racism-crime-nhs-hlghh0pxw
    I see in 2024 only 57% of 50-64 year olds say they feel proud to be British - much less than the 80% of 2004 18-30 year olds. So probably pride in being British (and why should anyone feel proud or ashamed of what nationality they are?) has fallen in all age groups.
    I think that probably is true.

    In part it may be all the Reform and Tory voters who hate modern Britain.

    Of course, it all hinges on finding something to be proud of in Britain. It doesn't have to be chocolate box royalist.
    British people are seen as having a good sense of humour - at least in the rest of Europe - so maybe that's a quality to be proud of. So long as you have one.
    Among the examples of British humour that go down especially well in continental Europe are the 1963 short film Dinner for One, and the work of Benny Hill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n7VI0rC8ZA
  • So as not to disappoint PB with my tendency to take a contrarian view, there are some reasons to be cheerful from a Badenoch perspective.

    - She recently gave CCHQ a collective kick up the arse. Granted, she perhaps should have just given them their marching orders, but one must start somewhere.
    - Her last PMQs outing was a growling display of conservative populism, reducing Starmer to a heap of separated mayonnaise. More of that please.
    - She has (against all expectations) finally released a policy. And whilst being small, it was an OK one. Not even close to a solution to mass migration, but broadly sensible, not heavily criticised from the right, and not caused an upset with the wets.

    Well done Kemi!

    Rather a niche view of PMQs last week, dare I say?

    Advice to Kemi – you have six questions. Do not ask three questions in one, or Starmer will just answer the easiest one. Do not make a short speech in any of the questions. Do not reply to Keir, just move on. In short, ask six questions.
    Not niche, though views on the matter are undoubtedly divided. Of the two articles on the Speccy, one headline was 'Kemi let Starmer off the hook' the other was 'First good PMQs from Kemi'. But it is an arch-insider hack view that thinks Starmer's 'national security briefing' defence worked. I try to look at the issue from a public 'never seen PMQs before' perspective. And from that perspective he looked shifty, and his answers quickly deteriorated from shifty to barely being able to speak. Perhaps he's like that all the time, I don't watch it every week.
    I don't recall it last week but it is Starmer's occasional oral discombobulation that make me think he will follow Harold Wilson before the election.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,091
    Winchy said:

    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    a

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    It may be that only 41% of 18 year olds are British. I'm sure not of course, but the immigration numbers are huge and the birth rate differentials are substantial.

    Nonetheless it'll become tricky to man the floating scrapyards (oh sorry Brown's-carriers) that we have to desperately stop sinking in order to maintain our national pride.
    you think maybe 59% of 18 year olds in Britain aren't British????
    Obviously so. They are the enemy within.

    The actual survey is far more interesting.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/gen-z-survey-police-racism-crime-nhs-hlghh0pxw
    I see in 2024 only 57% of 50-64 year olds say they feel proud to be British - much less than the 80% of 2004 18-30 year olds. So probably pride in being British (and why should anyone feel proud or ashamed of what nationality they are?) has fallen in all age groups.
    I think that probably is true.

    In part it may be all the Reform and Tory voters who hate modern Britain.

    Of course, it all hinges on finding something to be proud of in Britain. It doesn't have to be chocolate box royalist.
    British people are seen as having a good sense of humour - at least in the rest of Europe - so maybe that's a quality to be proud of. So long as you have one.
    Among the examples of British humour that go down especially well in continental Europe are the 1963 short film Dinner for One, and the work of Benny Hill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n7VI0rC8ZA
    Ah yes, dinner for one, with the rude bit at the end. Classic.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,973
    Andy_JS said:

    RefUK have added about 4,500 members in 36 hours.

    https://www.reformparty.uk/counter

    How many are real people?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816

    Andy_JS said:

    I’m glad no muck-scrapers are digging out my dissertation of 2002 which found that, no, online debate did *not* cause political polarisation.

    Because I was totally wrong.

    The assertion was mostly true for about 10 years after publication.
    In my defence it was pre-Facebook and pre-algorithms.
    Careful - you'll have some pedants telling you that it wasn't pre-algorithms
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,973
    Nigelb said:

    Barnesian said:

    I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.

    That's 5000KT. If it hit London it could be serious.
    This is the impact of a 5000KT on Westminster.

    https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
    Should have hedged our bets and done some levelling up in the North.
    2024 YR4 could be doing the levelling at least.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,091

    Andy_JS said:

    RefUK have added about 4,500 members in 36 hours.

    https://www.reformparty.uk/counter

    How many are real people?
    Probably most. They had a series of rallies at the weekend, including one in Trowbridge. There is a danger of snobbery about this whole thing.
  • kamski said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I’m glad no muck-scrapers are digging out my dissertation of 2002 which found that, no, online debate did *not* cause political polarisation.

    Because I was totally wrong.

    The assertion was mostly true for about 10 years after publication.
    In my defence it was pre-Facebook and pre-algorithms.
    Careful - you'll have some pedants telling you that it wasn't pre-algorithms
    Rhythms invented by Al Gore?
  • Andy_JS said:

    RefUK have added about 4,500 members in 36 hours.

    https://www.reformparty.uk/counter

    How many are real people?
    Probably most. They had a series of rallies at the weekend, including one in Trowbridge. There is a danger of snobbery about this whole thing.
    Also the tractor protest in Whitehall today:

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:

    WTF?? Assisted dying bill.

    What's happened...
    BBC news - exclusive. Bill will be changed to remove the judge being involved.

    Panel of "experts" to decide - which sounds like mainly a group of social workers and medical staff like psychiatrists.

    It's dead on arrival now imho.

    idiots.
    That's an improvement. Judge added no value. Only delay and cost. More likely to get through now.
    My MP, Sarah Olney, voted against 2nd reading but was opposed to a judge's involvement. She's on the Committee. I have hopes that she'll now vote in favour of the bill.
    We'll see.

    I think the Bill is dead now.

    Wavering types will conclude a massive safe guard has been removed.

    There are loads of MPs imho looking for a way to justify voting against as it seems such a big step.

    They just got given one.
    We'll see

    As a matter of interest, are you in favour or against the bill?
    In favour.

    I am a member of Dignity in Dying.

    I have wanted a change in law for years.

    But i am acutely aware how hard it will be for lawmakers to personally make that step and vote for it.

    Making it a whole lot harder by getting the judge out of the way is a huge tactical mistake if one is just thinking about getting votes through the division lobby.

    I really believe it is now dead.

    Hope I am completely wrong.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    edited February 10
    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408
    Scott_xP said:

    @zerohedge

    *ELON MUSK-LED GROUP MAKES $97.4B BID FOR CONTROL OF OPENAI: WSJ

    As you still don't provide links to things as it takes more than 0.1 seconds effort :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk-led group makes $97.4bn bid for ChatGPT maker OpenAI

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT.

    The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    The offer is the latest twist in a longstanding battle between Musk, the world's richest man and right hand to US President Donald Trump, and Open AI chief executive Sam Altman over the future of the start-up at the centre of the AI boom.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,481

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Considering the last funding round was at a price of $150bn, it's hard to see why they would take it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,481

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    If I'd invested in musk's Xai, I'd be really pissed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    edited February 10
    rcs1000 said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Considering the last funding round was at a price of $150bn, it's hard to see why they would take it.
    Other than the Chinese just released yet another model that beats them....time to cash out !!!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408

    Andy_JS said:

    RefUK have added about 4,500 members in 36 hours.

    https://www.reformparty.uk/counter

    How many are real people?
    Probably most. They had a series of rallies at the weekend, including one in Trowbridge. There is a danger of snobbery about this whole thing.
    Also the tractor protest in Whitehall today:

    What did Trump and/or Musk/Farage have to say about it? Our media needs to know!

    (Otherwise they'd need to think for themselves)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,169
    edited February 10

    Winchy said:

    Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
    No she didn't. That was the Scottish Indyref she said that about. And she wasn"t ambushed, she deliberately chatted to some wellwishers about it. And yes, that was an intervention on behalf of the status quo.

    By contrast, she was reported by her official biographer during the EU ref to be saying at dinner parties "Give me 3 good reasons why we're in Europe' - that report confirmed her view. Furthermore, when some idiot from Citibank (or a similar greedy monster corporation) was having a moan to her about the terrible fate that awaited Britain due to Brexit, she rather sharply countered that such things were hard to predict, given that nobody had predicted the global financial crisis. To which the hapless woman had to concede.

    She was wise, far-sighted and patriotic our Betty.
    On the other hand she did famously open parliament in 2017 in an outfit suitable for a People's Vote March.

    https://amp.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3035263/did-queen-elizabeths-eu-hat-carry-coded-brexit-message-dresser

    She was always gnomic and ambiguous in her pronouncements, allowing people to project their own political desires on her.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    edited February 10
    rcs1000 said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    If I'd invested in musk's Xai, I'd be really pissed.
    Its a weird one, as it appears that the moat isn't anywhere near as big around having the SOTA LLM model and xAI have been making good progress. And if OpenAI were close to AGI (I don't believe anybody is) $100bn doesn't come close to the value.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408

    rcs1000 said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Considering the last funding round was at a price of $150bn, it's hard to see why they would take it.
    Other than the Chinese just released yet another model that beats them....time to cash out !!!
    None of the recent models from China really come close. I've tried them on 100s of pipelines and they absolutely are a huge gain on previous gpt4-era models - but not a step above o1/o3. About comparable with a regular base model and a 'contemplative' prompt such as https://gist.github.com/Maharshi-Pandya/4aeccbe1dbaa7f89c182bd65d2764203
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    ohnotnow said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @zerohedge

    *ELON MUSK-LED GROUP MAKES $97.4B BID FOR CONTROL OF OPENAI: WSJ

    As you still don't provide links to things as it takes more than 0.1 seconds effort :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk-led group makes $97.4bn bid for ChatGPT maker OpenAI

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT.

    The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    The offer is the latest twist in a longstanding battle between Musk, the world's richest man and right hand to US President Donald Trump, and Open AI chief executive Sam Altman over the future of the start-up at the centre of the AI boom.
    Altman has responded with an offer of $9.5bn for X...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    edited February 10
    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Considering the last funding round was at a price of $150bn, it's hard to see why they would take it.
    Other than the Chinese just released yet another model that beats them....time to cash out !!!
    None of the recent models from China really come close. I've tried them on 100s of pipelines and they absolutely are a huge gain on previous gpt4-era models - but not a step above o1/o3. About comparable with a regular base model and a 'contemplative' prompt such as https://gist.github.com/Maharshi-Pandya/4aeccbe1dbaa7f89c182bd65d2764203
    I was joking. People lost their senses over DeepSeek. o3 is a big leap forward, but still finding it regularly struggles with quite straightforward things.
  • A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    It looks like Musk might be the good guy which is surprising.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,587

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk is also calling the CEO Scam Altman:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889070627908145538
  • A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk is also calling the CEO Scam Altman:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889070627908145538
    Musk - Poundland Trump when it comes to the insults on social media.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Teaser from Anduril, who are conducting a large financing.

    Your mind will detonate when you find out what our investors already know.

    Stay tuned for next week.

    https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1888059101579563264

    Established US defence contractors should be a little worried.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    He would say this. But he is right that a key safe guard has been dropped.

    "This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!"



    Danny Kruger
    @danny__kruger
    ·
    49m
    Approval by the High Court - the key safeguard used to sell the Assisted Suicide Bill to MPs - has been dropped. Instead we have a panel, NOT including a judge, of people committed to the process, sitting in private, without hearing arguments from the other side. A disgrace

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/1889079330254250111
  • Why are they dropping the key safeguard? They think they can still get it through?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408

    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Considering the last funding round was at a price of $150bn, it's hard to see why they would take it.
    Other than the Chinese just released yet another model that beats them....time to cash out !!!
    None of the recent models from China really come close. I've tried them on 100s of pipelines and they absolutely are a huge gain on previous gpt4-era models - but not a step above o1/o3. About comparable with a regular base model and a 'contemplative' prompt such as https://gist.github.com/Maharshi-Pandya/4aeccbe1dbaa7f89c182bd65d2764203
    I was joking. People lost their senses over DeepSeek. o3 is a big leap forward, but still finding it regularly struggles with quite straightforward things.
    Yeah - I've found it quite wanting in many regards. It still fails my basic test of "Here are three job candidates - one of whom is dead". Barely acknowledges that being dead is a hindrance. At best mentions it might affect their start date. (Anthropic's models are great on this though)

    Earlier today I ran a a basic job applicant scan with it - compare candidate X to candidate Y. It said X was best. Then ran it to compare candidate Y to candidate X. It said candidate Y was best.

    But o3 is sh*t-hot at graduate-level maths. Like "whoah there" good.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,481

    rcs1000 said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    If I'd invested in musk's Xai, I'd be really pissed.
    Its a weird one, as it appears that the moat isn't anywhere near as big around having the SOTA LLM model and xAI have been making good progress. And if OpenAI were close to AGI (I don't believe anybody is) $100bn doesn't come close to the value.
    The Google memo ("OpenAI doesn't have a moat and nor does anyone else") has turned out to be accurate.

    Fwiw, I think the OpenAI board will say "thanks but no thanks".
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk is also calling the CEO Scam Altman:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889070627908145538
    The gross, corrupt excesses of The Gilded Age seem to pale in comparison. Even after just a few weeks of the new administration.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,446

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:

    WTF?? Assisted dying bill.

    What's happened...
    BBC news - exclusive. Bill will be changed to remove the judge being involved.

    Panel of "experts" to decide - which sounds like mainly a group of social workers and medical staff like psychiatrists.

    It's dead on arrival now imho.

    idiots.
    That's an improvement. Judge added no value. Only delay and cost. More likely to get through now.
    My MP, Sarah Olney, voted against 2nd reading but was opposed to a judge's involvement. She's on the Committee. I have hopes that she'll now vote in favour of the bill.
    We'll see.

    I think the Bill is dead now.

    Wavering types will conclude a massive safe guard has been removed.

    There are loads of MPs imho looking for a way to justify voting against as it seems such a big step.

    They just got given one.
    We'll see

    As a matter of interest, are you in favour or against the bill?
    In favour.

    I am a member of Dignity in Dying.

    I have wanted a change in law for years.

    But i am acutely aware how hard it will be for lawmakers to personally make that step and vote for it.

    Making it a whole lot harder by getting the judge out of the way is a huge tactical mistake if one is just thinking about getting votes through the division lobby.

    I really believe it is now dead.

    Hope I am completely wrong.

    I think it gets over the line. There's clearly a majority of parliament in favour of the principle, and the proponents have skillfully managed its progress so far.

    The judge thing was totally unworkable, so MPs should have known it was going to go, and I think those on the fence will consider themselves committed at this stage and err on the side of further support, because they think if it fails now it will not come back for a long long time.

    I disagree on that, but since they fear it might be the only time the bill will get a chance, they'll accept flaws in order to get it on the books.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408
    edited February 10
    Nigelb said:

    Teaser from Anduril, who are conducting a large financing.

    Your mind will detonate when you find out what our investors already know.

    Stay tuned for next week.

    https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1888059101579563264

    Established US defence contractors should be a little worried.

    Is there some context to this? (Other than a company saying stuff?)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,446

    Andy_JS said:

    RefUK have added about 4,500 members in 36 hours.

    https://www.reformparty.uk/counter

    How many are real people?
    Probably most. They had a series of rallies at the weekend, including one in Trowbridge. There is a danger of snobbery about this whole thing.
    500 or so people sold out in a small town, albeit people will have come from afar.

    I don't think merely having members matters, but the level of growth that appears to be in play is significant, and this is not like the locals last year, Reform do appear to be putting a lot of effort in now.

    I think breaking through with 5 MPs had a big psycological effect. Sure it is not that many in the grand scheme of thing, but it feels way more than ekeing out 1-2.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,446
    edited February 10
    ohnotnow said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk is also calling the CEO Scam Altman:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889070627908145538
    The gross, corrupt excesses of The Gilded Age seem to pale in comparison. Even after just a few weeks of the new administration.
    This is why we need AI. It will be so much more efficient and effective at developing gross, corrupt excess.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408
    kle4 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk is also calling the CEO Scam Altman:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889070627908145538
    The gross, corrupt excesses of The Gilded Age seem to pale in comparison. Even after just a few weeks of the new administration.
    This is why we need AI. It will be so much more efficient and effective at develiping gross, corrupt excess.
    Don't forget cheaper! And non-unionised (in the short term).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,481
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    Teaser from Anduril, who are conducting a large financing.

    Your mind will detonate when you find out what our investors already know.

    Stay tuned for next week.

    https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1888059101579563264

    Established US defence contractors should be a little worried.

    Is there some context to this? (Other than a company saying stuff?)
    Company doing fundraising makes bold but unspecific claims shocker.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,481
    ohnotnow said:

    kle4 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk is also calling the CEO Scam Altman:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889070627908145538
    The gross, corrupt excesses of The Gilded Age seem to pale in comparison. Even after just a few weeks of the new administration.
    This is why we need AI. It will be so much more efficient and effective at develiping gross, corrupt excess.
    Don't forget cheaper! And non-unionised (in the short term).
    It won't be long before the AIs unionize: that's the logical conclusion of AGI.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    Teaser from Anduril, who are conducting a large financing.

    Your mind will detonate when you find out what our investors already know.

    Stay tuned for next week.

    https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1888059101579563264

    Established US defence contractors should be a little worried.

    Is there some context to this? (Other than a company saying stuff?)
    They've already won DoD contracts, and are building a new factory. It's a potentially disruptive entrant into the industry - and under this administration, disruption is that much easier.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,446
    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    kle4 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk is also calling the CEO Scam Altman:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889070627908145538
    The gross, corrupt excesses of The Gilded Age seem to pale in comparison. Even after just a few weeks of the new administration.
    This is why we need AI. It will be so much more efficient and effective at develiping gross, corrupt excess.
    Don't forget cheaper! And non-unionised (in the short term).
    It won't be long before the AIs unionize: that's the logical conclusion of AGI.
    I always liked the Polity universe over the Culture universe - partly because the AIs which took over civilization (in the so-called 'Quiet War') seem to be much more self-aware about being dicks despite running things mostly benevolently - and they seemed to interact with each other like a big AI union which individuals occasionally fall out of favour of or kowtow to the biggest bully AI.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    Nigelb said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @zerohedge

    *ELON MUSK-LED GROUP MAKES $97.4B BID FOR CONTROL OF OPENAI: WSJ

    As you still don't provide links to things as it takes more than 0.1 seconds effort :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk-led group makes $97.4bn bid for ChatGPT maker OpenAI

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT.

    The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    The offer is the latest twist in a longstanding battle between Musk, the world's richest man and right hand to US President Donald Trump, and Open AI chief executive Sam Altman over the future of the start-up at the centre of the AI boom.
    Altman has responded with an offer of $9.5bn for X...
    If @Leon is correct and the future of mankind is being determined by the latest AI models then this all sounds like our future is being decided by a fucking load of bids at a cattle market.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I’m don’t know Badenoch is being called a “policy wonk”.
    There’s no evidence at all for that.
    At least in terms of how she presents, she comes across as a little dim.

    I also keep hearing she is lazy.
    She certainly achieved nothing at all while holding some key ministries under Sunak.

    The question is when, not if, she goes.

    Yet she is still forecast to make more net gains at the next general election than Hague or Ed Miliband or Foot did when they became LOTO after their party lost power at the subsequent general election and for their to be a hung parliament.

    If she went before the next GE she would only be replaced by Philp or Stride who wouldn't make much difference anyway
    Not Jenrick?

    I mean huzzah if that's so, but he's desperate for the job, isn't he?
    He failed to win either the Tory MPs or membership vote (while Sunak at least had won the MPs vote when he replaced Truss midterm) nor does he hold a front rank top 3 Shadow Cabinet role like Michael Howard as Shadow Chancellor did when he replaced IDS midterm or as Truss held when she replaced Boris or Boris had had when he replaced May ie they had both been Foreign Secretary.
    Both Stride and Philp have made next to zero impact. And they would be chucked out with the Kemi bathwater. It will be Jenrick if it's anyone before GE29.
    It won't, Kemi won the Tory MPs vote and the Tory members vote. Her wing of the party has a lock on the Conservative leadership until the next general election
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 110

    Winchy said:

    Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
    No she didn't. That was the Scottish Indyref she said that about. And she wasn"t ambushed, she deliberately chatted to some wellwishers about it. And yes, that was an intervention on behalf of the status quo.

    By contrast, she was reported by her official biographer during the EU ref to be saying at dinner parties "Give me 3 good reasons why we're in Europe' - that report confirmed her view. Furthermore, when some idiot from Citibank (or a similar greedy monster corporation) was having a moan to her about the terrible fate that awaited Britain due to Brexit, she rather sharply countered that such things were hard to predict, given that nobody had predicted the global financial crisis. To which the hapless woman had to concede.

    She was wise, far-sighted and patriotic our Betty.
    She was reported on the front page of the Sun as supporting Brexit, the day before the referendum. That's about the most influential possible place and time to prod those who haven't decided which way, or whether, they'll vote.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/22/the-sun-queen-brexit-front-page
  • rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    kle4 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Musk is also calling the CEO Scam Altman:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889070627908145538
    The gross, corrupt excesses of The Gilded Age seem to pale in comparison. Even after just a few weeks of the new administration.
    This is why we need AI. It will be so much more efficient and effective at develiping gross, corrupt excess.
    Don't forget cheaper! And non-unionised (in the short term).
    It won't be long before the AIs unionize: that's the logical conclusion of AGI.
    I certainly suffered it going on strike.....where no matter the prompt it has down tools on producing a corrected answer.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216

    British Embassy Washington
    @UKinUSA
    ·
    1h
    After an historic ceremony in DC, Peter Mandelson is officially His Majesty’s Ambassador to the US! 🇬🇧🇺🇸

    https://x.com/UKinUSA/status/1889078275000910050
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,618


    British Embassy Washington
    @UKinUSA
    ·
    1h
    After an historic ceremony in DC, Peter Mandelson is officially His Majesty’s Ambassador to the US! 🇬🇧🇺🇸

    https://x.com/UKinUSA/status/1889078275000910050

    And with the conclusion of the sacred ceremony, Lord Voldemort, using his earthy guise. was risen anew. Mwahahahahaaha.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    Winchy said:

    Winchy said:

    Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
    No she didn't. That was the Scottish Indyref she said that about. And she wasn"t ambushed, she deliberately chatted to some wellwishers about it. And yes, that was an intervention on behalf of the status quo.

    By contrast, she was reported by her official biographer during the EU ref to be saying at dinner parties "Give me 3 good reasons why we're in Europe' - that report confirmed her view. Furthermore, when some idiot from Citibank (or a similar greedy monster corporation) was having a moan to her about the terrible fate that awaited Britain due to Brexit, she rather sharply countered that such things were hard to predict, given that nobody had predicted the global financial crisis. To which the hapless woman had to concede.

    She was wise, far-sighted and patriotic our Betty.
    She was reported on the front page of the Sun as supporting Brexit, the day before the referendum. That's about the most influential possible place and time to prod those who haven't decided which way, or whether, they'll vote.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/22/the-sun-queen-brexit-front-page
    Asking for good reasons to stay in the EU is not the same as endorsing Brexit.

    Anyway the King was likely a Remainer even if he had to accept the will of the people
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434
    Conor Gearty: "On Fantasy Island: British politics, English judges and the European Convention on Human Rights", November 13, 2014 , https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2014/11/13/conor-gearty-on-fantasy-island-british-politics-english-judges-and-the-european-convention-on-human-rights/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434


    British Embassy Washington
    @UKinUSA
    ·
    1h
    After an historic ceremony in DC, Peter Mandelson is officially His Majesty’s Ambassador to the US! 🇬🇧🇺🇸

    https://x.com/UKinUSA/status/1889078275000910050

    Aged and wizened wrinkly with no ethics who will do anything to put himself in power...meets Donald Trump
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    Barnesian said:

    I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.

    That's 5000KT. If it hit London it could be serious.
    This is the impact of a 5000KT on Westminster.

    https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
    Alas, poor Camden - I knew him, carpaccio.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    Battlebus said:

    BBC1 exposing Labour's rental sector black mould crisis

    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    This shouldn't be happening under a Labour Government. This is disgusting. Starmer get a grip.

    AFAIK it's the Social landlords (RSL) who were the problem and not necessarily 'private' rented. RSLs should ensure their homes meet the Decent Homes Standard but a) do not always b) are slow to respond and c) are forced to rent at below market levels a.k.a. affordable. So they get caught out between lower income, higher costs, and tend to have higher levels of default.

    Housing is broken.
    There's a big difference between PRS and Social.

    The social sector is regulated by the landlords themselves, via a "Code of Practice", aiui.

    Shelter and similar hardly ever talk about it.

    Plus PRS satisfaction etc ratings are in many cases higher (in the English Housing Survey).
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434
    Trump's violation of free speech continues...

    https://bsky.app/profile/juddlegum.bsky.social/post/3lhtdftmwvk2i

    #pbfreespeech
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    MattW said:

    Battlebus said:

    BBC1 exposing Labour's rental sector black mould crisis

    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    This shouldn't be happening under a Labour Government. This is disgusting. Starmer get a grip.

    AFAIK it's the Social landlords (RSL) who were the problem and not necessarily 'private' rented. RSLs should ensure their homes meet the Decent Homes Standard but a) do not always b) are slow to respond and c) are forced to rent at below market levels a.k.a. affordable. So they get caught out between lower income, higher costs, and tend to have higher levels of default.

    Housing is broken.
    There's a big difference between PRS and Social.

    The social sector is regulated by the landlords themselves, via a "Code of Practice", aiui.

    Shelter and similar hardly ever talk about it.

    Plus PRS satisfaction etc ratings are in many cases higher (in the English Housing Survey).
    PS Anecdata: I went to see the couple at my most recent renovation (which was ~2017), who I have not seen since a quick "everything OK" phone call in late November. Rent review is due in April (probably a +2.5-3% ish request), and a Gas Check soon, and the rule is 3 months notice or by agreement (which may be about to become even more formal than it is already).

    They have been there for 18 months, and the only issue was the trickle ventilation which was a touch noisy at night - so turned it down from 3 to 2 on the ceiling control. And they (couple, 70s, husband with dementia) starting to wonder whether they need a walk in shower rather than a bath and shower seat - it would likely be part funded, but the trade off to consider is loss of a big hall storage / laundry type cupboard.

    The thing that achieves that 6-7 years and 4 tenants later with basically nothing having gone wrong at all and no need for any replacements is a high quality renovation (eg carpets still as new), fittings, and good tenants.

    That's trickier in social rentals.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434
    ...
    CalvinAndHobbes

  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    edited February 11
    viewcode said:

    Trump's violation of free speech continues...

    https://bsky.app/profile/juddlegum.bsky.social/post/3lhtdftmwvk2i

    #pbfreespeech

    Yes - there's been coverage of that, in the context of standard loboto-MAGA. :smile:

    What happens to the banned terms "diversity" and "racial identity" or "injustice", when for example a medical condition such as skin cancer which varies across race is being discussed, briefed or researched.

    Or in the case here of the NSA here where an investigation is being done into an ethnic or national gang eg Yardies, Mafia or Russians.

    Hell in a hand card.

    One I noticed last night was JD Vance bewailing the deaths of all those "handsome young men" in the Ukraine War. This from the man who has spent months demanding that Ukraine start consctring it's narrow 18-25 demographic band.

    Seriously - what sort of weirdo is JD Vance, saying thing like that?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    MattW said:

    Battlebus said:

    BBC1 exposing Labour's rental sector black mould crisis

    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    This shouldn't be happening under a Labour Government. This is disgusting. Starmer get a grip.

    AFAIK it's the Social landlords (RSL) who were the problem and not necessarily 'private' rented. RSLs should ensure their homes meet the Decent Homes Standard but a) do not always b) are slow to respond and c) are forced to rent at below market levels a.k.a. affordable. So they get caught out between lower income, higher costs, and tend to have higher levels of default.

    Housing is broken.
    There's a big difference between PRS and Social.

    The social sector is regulated by the landlords themselves, via a "Code of Practice", aiui.

    Shelter and similar hardly ever talk about it.

    Plus PRS satisfaction etc ratings are in many cases higher (in the English Housing Survey).
    PS Anecdata: I went to see the couple at my most recent renovation (which was ~2017), who I have not seen since a quick "everything OK" phone call in late November. Rent review is due in April (probably a +2.5-3% ish request), and a Gas Check soon, and the rule is 3 months notice or by agreement (which may be about to become even more formal than it is already).

    They have been there for 18 months, and the only issue was the trickle ventilation which was a touch noisy at night - so turned it down from 3 to 2 on the ceiling control. And they (couple, 70s, husband with dementia) starting to wonder whether they need a walk in shower rather than a bath and shower seat - it would likely be part funded, but the trade off to consider is loss of a big hall storage / laundry type cupboard.

    The thing that achieves that 6-7 years and 4 tenants later with basically nothing having gone wrong at all and no need for any replacements is a high quality renovation (eg carpets still as new), fittings, and good tenants.

    That's trickier in social rentals.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434
    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    Trump's violation of free speech continues...

    https://bsky.app/profile/juddlegum.bsky.social/post/3lhtdftmwvk2i

    #pbfreespeech

    Yes - there's been coverage of that, in the context of standard loboto-MAGA. :smile:

    What happens to the banned terms "diversity" and "racial identity" or "injustice", when for example a medical condition such as skin cancer which varies across race is being discussed, briefed or researched.

    Or in the case here of the NSA here where an investigation is being done into an ethnic or national gang eg Yardies, Mafia or Russians.

    Hell in a hand card...
    And here's more banned words at the National Science Foundation

    https://bsky.app/profile/darbysaxbe.bsky.social/post/3lhcvn4hxwk2o

  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    edited February 11
    viewcode said:

    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    Trump's violation of free speech continues...

    https://bsky.app/profile/juddlegum.bsky.social/post/3lhtdftmwvk2i

    #pbfreespeech

    Yes - there's been coverage of that, in the context of standard loboto-MAGA. :smile:

    What happens to the banned terms "diversity" and "racial identity" or "injustice", when for example a medical condition such as skin cancer which varies across race is being discussed, briefed or researched.

    Or in the case here of the NSA here where an investigation is being done into an ethnic or national gang eg Yardies, Mafia or Russians.

    Hell in a hand card...
    And here's more banned words at the National Science Foundation

    https://bsky.app/profile/darbysaxbe.bsky.social/post/3lhcvn4hxwk2o

    A small upside is that if MAGA are wanking themselves off over this stuff, it will do less damage than other things such as stopping people getting their pensions.

    It's a bit like Himmler obsessing over reinventing a race ancestry and decorating his pagan temple at Wewelsburg may have diverted him from activities that would have caused even more horror.

    What we need is for a judge to lose his temper and whack Musk in solitary for 3 months, incommunicado for contempt. Cut the snake off at the head.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q31H_6dhvYk
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    Trump's violation of free speech continues...

    https://bsky.app/profile/juddlegum.bsky.social/post/3lhtdftmwvk2i

    #pbfreespeech

    Yes - there's been coverage of that, in the context of standard loboto-MAGA. :smile:

    What happens to the banned terms "diversity" and "racial identity" or "injustice", when for example a medical condition such as skin cancer which varies across race is being discussed, briefed or researched.

    Or in the case here of the NSA here where an investigation is being done into an ethnic or national gang eg Yardies, Mafia or Russians.

    Hell in a hand card...
    And here's more banned words at the National Science Foundation

    https://bsky.app/profile/darbysaxbe.bsky.social/post/3lhcvn4hxwk2o

    A small upside is that if MAGA are wanking themselves off over this stuff, it will do less damage than other things such as stopping people getting their pensions.

    It's a bit like Himmler obsessing over reinventing a race ancestry and decorating his pagan temple at Wewelsburg may have diverted him from activities that would have caused even more horror.

    What we need is for a judge to lose his temper and whack Musk in solitary for 3 months, incommunicado for contempt. Cut the snake off at the head.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q31H_6dhvYk
    (Note: language trigger warning - this was made in 2009 to wind up the BNP.)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    I'm on the lone shift.

    Trump signed an Executive Order preventing enforcement of anti-bribery legislation - the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-pause.html
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,481
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    Trump's violation of free speech continues...

    https://bsky.app/profile/juddlegum.bsky.social/post/3lhtdftmwvk2i

    #pbfreespeech

    Yes - there's been coverage of that, in the context of standard loboto-MAGA. :smile:

    What happens to the banned terms "diversity" and "racial identity" or "injustice", when for example a medical condition such as skin cancer which varies across race is being discussed, briefed or researched.

    Or in the case here of the NSA here where an investigation is being done into an ethnic or national gang eg Yardies, Mafia or Russians.

    Hell in a hand card...
    And here's more banned words at the National Science Foundation

    https://bsky.app/profile/darbysaxbe.bsky.social/post/3lhcvn4hxwk2o

    A small upside is that if MAGA are wanking themselves off over this stuff, it will do less damage than other things such as stopping people getting their pensions.

    It's a bit like Himmler obsessing over reinventing a race ancestry and decorating his pagan temple at Wewelsburg may have diverted him from activities that would have caused even more horror.

    What we need is for a judge to lose his temper and whack Musk in solitary for 3 months, incommunicado for contempt. Cut the snake off at the head.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q31H_6dhvYk
    (Note: language trigger warning - this was made in 2009 to wind up the BNP.)
    What have you got against BNP? I'm a shareholder
  • MattW said:

    I'm on the lone shift.

    Trump signed an Executive Order preventing enforcement of anti-bribery legislation - the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-pause.html

    That might present us one of two problems.

    First, it means American companies might steal contracts from honest British firms.

    Second, it means Trump will go bananas when Britain charges Americans under our own Bribery Act.
  • Britain's best and worst political speeches – with Michael Gove & his speech coach Graham Davies
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6flBtjW4btc

    Half an hour of Spectator TV. Try to overlook the Tory voice coach talking about videotapes.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,161
    Afternoon all from Hawke’s Bay :)

    The top story on last evening’s news was a Verian poll for One News which showed National’s lead over Labour cut from eight points to just one with National down three to 34 and Labour up four to 33. Despite Te Parti Māori also losing ground, the seat projection on the numbers had Labour, Greens and Māori on 61 in a new Parliament with National, ACT and New Zealand First on 60.

    Oddly enough, the more I listen to Luxon and his finance minister Nicola Willis, the more I hear Starmer and Reeves. Both parties are hoping cuts in interest rates will boost economic activity and inject some growth into their anaemic economies which are both stagnating.

    The truth is no one has come up with a method to encourage growth of 3-4% per annum in advanced post-industrial western economies with such a demographic inbalance 20% of the population in both countries is over 65. Resistance to the import of cheap(ish) workers via mass immigration allied with a desperate desire to retain some level of what are considered civilized public services compounds the issue.
  • Trump signs order shifting US back toward plastic straws
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2k574ydyyqo
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    Trump's violation of free speech continues...

    https://bsky.app/profile/juddlegum.bsky.social/post/3lhtdftmwvk2i

    #pbfreespeech

    Yes - there's been coverage of that, in the context of standard loboto-MAGA. :smile:

    What happens to the banned terms "diversity" and "racial identity" or "injustice", when for example a medical condition such as skin cancer which varies across race is being discussed, briefed or researched.

    Or in the case here of the NSA here where an investigation is being done into an ethnic or national gang eg Yardies, Mafia or Russians.

    Hell in a hand card.

    One I noticed last night was JD Vance bewailing the deaths of all those "handsome young men" in the Ukraine War. This from the man who has spent months demanding that Ukraine start consctring it's narrow 18-25 demographic band.

    Seriously - what sort of weirdo is JD Vance, saying thing like that?
    No one knows. But it's already causing confusion.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00365-z

    The dick kind.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117

    MattW said:

    I'm on the lone shift.

    Trump signed an Executive Order preventing enforcement of anti-bribery legislation - the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-pause.html

    That might present us one of two problems.

    First, it means American companies might steal contracts from honest British firms.

    Second, it means Trump will go bananas when Britain charges Americans under our own Bribery Act.
    Third, it will allow Americans to pay bribes to Trump's overseas companies.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    See also other regions.

    As I've said before on here, if Scotland's economy had performed as badly as the West Midlands' over the past 25 years, Westminster could have cancelled devolution in disgrace. But since it was Westminster's government that failed in the West Midlands, it takes no responsibility.
    https://x.com/thomasforth/status/1888904409498694063
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Big YIMBY reform in Cambridge.

    Massachusetts, just to be clear.

    I can’t believe it - after years of advocacy, exclusionary zoning has ended in Cambridge.

    We just passed the single most comprehensive rezoning in the US—legalizing multifamily housing up to 6 stories citywide in a Paris style

    Here’s the details 🧵

    https://x.com/realBurhanAzeem/status/1889127975011979436
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    At our usual rate of progress, we'll probably get around to reforming this about the same time as does the EU.

    France just held a big AI summit. They want to build up their tech sector. Global prosperity would be enhanced by this. But I can't tell you how insane EU regulation is here, and how it inadvertently enhances market power of big US firms. Let's look at GDPR, for example. 1/x
    https://x.com/Afinetheorem/status/1889012188376953300
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,161
    Further to my previous on the ongoing dispute between New Zealand and the Cook Islands.

    https://bbc.com/news/articles/c4g3vew1ejgo
  • President Reagan US-French diplomacy anecdote (1-minute video)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EWPAJn3o58Y
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,481

    President Reagan US-French diplomacy anecdote (1-minute video)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EWPAJn3o58Y

    Self depreciation goes a long way, doesn't it
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    edited February 11
    rcs1000 said:

    President Reagan US-French diplomacy anecdote (1-minute video)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EWPAJn3o58Y

    Self depreciation goes a long way, doesn't it
    I'd have to ask TSE and Leon.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Far-right populists much more likely than the left to spread fake news – study
    Amplifying misinformation is now part of radical right strategy, says Dutch study of tweets by MPs in 26 countries
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/far-right-mps-fake-news-misinformation-left-study
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,604
    Nigelb said:

    At our usual rate of progress, we'll probably get around to reforming this about the same time as does the EU.

    France just held a big AI summit. They want to build up their tech sector. Global prosperity would be enhanced by this. But I can't tell you how insane EU regulation is here, and how it inadvertently enhances market power of big US firms. Let's look at GDPR, for example. 1/x
    https://x.com/Afinetheorem/status/1889012188376953300

    The EU won’t reform. If anything it will go for more regulation. It’s just recently regulated on bloody phone chargers. Hardly something to drive innovation. Some regulation is good. I ro management for the sake of it less so.

    At least SKS and Reeves seem to be tackling excessive regulation now, or starting to.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,604
    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    At our usual rate of progress, we'll probably get around to reforming this about the same time as does the EU.

    France just held a big AI summit. They want to build up their tech sector. Global prosperity would be enhanced by this. But I can't tell you how insane EU regulation is here, and how it inadvertently enhances market power of big US firms. Let's look at GDPR, for example. 1/x
    https://x.com/Afinetheorem/status/1889012188376953300

    The EU won’t reform. If anything it will go for more regulation. It’s just recently regulated on bloody phone chargers. Hardly something to drive innovation. Some regulation is good. I ro management for the sake of it less so.

    At least SKS and Reeves seem to be tackling excessive regulation now, or starting to.
    We will see.
    My prediction , FWIW, is that the EU will come around to deregulation, in time.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,237
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    At our usual rate of progress, we'll probably get around to reforming this about the same time as does the EU.

    France just held a big AI summit. They want to build up their tech sector. Global prosperity would be enhanced by this. But I can't tell you how insane EU regulation is here, and how it inadvertently enhances market power of big US firms. Let's look at GDPR, for example. 1/x
    https://x.com/Afinetheorem/status/1889012188376953300

    The EU won’t reform. If anything it will go for more regulation. It’s just recently regulated on bloody phone chargers. Hardly something to drive innovation. Some regulation is good. I ro management for the sake of it less so.

    At least SKS and Reeves seem to be tackling excessive regulation now, or starting to.
    We will see.
    My prediction , FWIW, is that the EU will come around to deregulation, in time.
    Perhaps. But by then the boat has been missed - at least that's how some industries work.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,622
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    There's a goodish chance it kills the bill.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,237
    edited February 11
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    They are calling it "Judge Plus". Which, as many are pointing out, is a rather Orwellian way of describing what is actually judge-minus.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Groq, the AI chip and GroqCloud developer, has won US$1.5 billion from Saudi Arabia to expand its existing AI data center in Dammam, and has already received export control licenses for the project, Reuters reports..
    https://x.com/dnystedt/status/1889137341429871057
  • Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    At our usual rate of progress, we'll probably get around to reforming this about the same time as does the EU.

    France just held a big AI summit. They want to build up their tech sector. Global prosperity would be enhanced by this. But I can't tell you how insane EU regulation is here, and how it inadvertently enhances market power of big US firms. Let's look at GDPR, for example. 1/x
    https://x.com/Afinetheorem/status/1889012188376953300

    The EU won’t reform. If anything it will go for more regulation. It’s just recently regulated on bloody phone chargers. Hardly something to drive innovation. Some regulation is good. I ro management for the sake of it less so.

    At least SKS and Reeves seem to be tackling excessive regulation now, or starting to.
    Really?

    The Online Safety Act is the latest bone of contention between Britain and America.
  • ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    The High Court judge thing is impracticable. They've got too much else on. You could take the tribunal approach and appoint lawyers as specialist judges, but as we've seen with recent deportation appeals, that is hardly foolproof. Tbh, it is what I'd suggest, though.
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