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  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-mislead-when-asked-about-current-affairs-bbc-finds

    More than half of the AI-generated answers provided by ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity were judged to have “significant issues”, according to the study by the BBC.

    The errors included stating that Rishi Sunak was still the prime minister and that Nicola Sturgeon was still Scotland’s first minister; misrepresenting NHS advice about vaping; and mistaking opinions and archive material for up-to-date facts.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,941
    kamski said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-mislead-when-asked-about-current-affairs-bbc-finds

    More than half of the AI-generated answers provided by ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity were judged to have “significant issues”, according to the study by the BBC.

    The errors included stating that Rishi Sunak was still the prime minister and that Nicola Sturgeon was still Scotland’s first minister; misrepresenting NHS advice about vaping; and mistaking opinions and archive material for up-to-date facts.

    Well, legally, the computer is assumed to be right.

    So legally, Sunak is PM.

    As a lawyer, Sir Keir will understand.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,901
    Whilst I am full of admiration for the speed since inauguration Trump has set about tearing up the world order and offending everyone outside the US and making venal decisions with regards to taking land for financial gain, when it
    S he going to deliver on the important stuff he promised such as releasing the JFK files?

    I had a thought last night, is the way Trump is clumsily “courting” Canada, Greenland, Gaza etc just a mirror of how he approaches women? Is he grabbing Ottawa’s pussy, does he see Greenland as E Jean Carroll, is there a chance a hot Eastern European country might flutter their eyelids at him and get a load of spending?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,622

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    The High Court judge thing is impracticable. They've got too much else on. You could take the tribunal approach and appoint lawyers as specialist judges, but as we've seen with recent deportation appeals, that is hardly foolproof. Tbh, it is what I'd suggest, though.
    That is an argument for increasing court capacity. Not for removing legal safeguards.

    I'm hardly a starry eyed fan of the higher reaches of the legal profession, but at least we have some idea of how they got there and what process they went through.

    This tribunal thing sounds a right shambles.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,604
    Nigelb said:

    Groq, the AI chip and GroqCloud developer, has won US$1.5 billion from Saudi Arabia to expand its existing AI data center in Dammam, and has already received export control licenses for the project, Reuters reports..
    https://x.com/dnystedt/status/1889137341429871057

    Meanwhile news reports last night on the expansion of data centres was negative. Framing it as more demands for energy which may end up seeing consumers power turned off rather than what do we do to meet future energy needs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,895
    edited February 11
    kamski said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-mislead-when-asked-about-current-affairs-bbc-finds

    More than half of the AI-generated answers provided by ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity were judged to have “significant issues”, according to the study by the BBC.

    The errors included stating that Rishi Sunak was still the prime minister and that Nicola Sturgeon was still Scotland’s first minister; misrepresenting NHS advice about vaping; and mistaking opinions and archive material for up-to-date facts.

    The LLMs seem to have a weird issue with death. Either claiming people are dead who aren't or vice versa. A lot of the Apple Intelligence problems were this.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,622
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    There's a goodish chance it kills the bill.
    Well, it may assist in its dying.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,604
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    There's a goodish chance it kills the bill.
    Good.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,622

    kamski said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-mislead-when-asked-about-current-affairs-bbc-finds

    More than half of the AI-generated answers provided by ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity were judged to have “significant issues”, according to the study by the BBC.

    The errors included stating that Rishi Sunak was still the prime minister and that Nicola Sturgeon was still Scotland’s first minister; misrepresenting NHS advice about vaping; and mistaking opinions and archive material for up-to-date facts.

    Well, legally, the computer is assumed to be right.

    So legally, Sunak is PM.

    As a lawyer, Sir Keir will understand.
    It changes the event Horizon?
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,604
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    Not only this but the loading of the people giving evidence to the committee was deliberately weighted, as was the committee, in favour of the bill which has caused some consternation among MPs.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,622
    kamski said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-mislead-when-asked-about-current-affairs-bbc-finds

    More than half of the AI-generated answers provided by ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity were judged to have “significant issues”, according to the study by the BBC.

    The errors included stating that Rishi Sunak was still the prime minister and that Nicola Sturgeon was still Scotland’s first minister; misrepresenting NHS advice about vaping; and mistaking opinions and archive material for up-to-date facts.

    I actually use AI in my work for generating PowerPoint and basic tools like timelines. But one of the things I use it for is to stimulate discussion about what is actually right because we go through it checking for errors and correcting them.

    Despite what has been claimed, it is a long way from dominating the Earth.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,648
    viewcode said:

    ...
    CalvinAndHobbes

    Tragically, POTUS was not a DEI position...
  • Andy_JS said:

    WTF?? Assisted dying bill.

    What's happened...
    BBC news - exclusive. Bill will be changed to remove the judge being involved.

    Panel of "experts" to decide - which sounds like mainly a group of social workers and medical staff like psychiatrists.

    It's dead on arrival now imho.

    idiots.
    Good change, it was an utterly absurd proposal that doesn't exist anywhere else on the world.

    And the experts giving evidence said it should be dropped.

    Funny, I thought people here were complaining the experts wouldn't be listened to, now there's objections they have been.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,622
    Scott_xP said:

    viewcode said:

    ...
    CalvinAndHobbes

    Tragically, POTUS was not a DEI position...
    I dunno, hiring an orang-utan definitely qualifies under diversity.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    The High Court judge thing is impracticable. They've got too much else on. You could take the tribunal approach and appoint lawyers as specialist judges, but as we've seen with recent deportation appeals, that is hardly foolproof. Tbh, it is what I'd suggest, though.
    That is an argument for increasing court capacity. Not for removing legal safeguards.

    I'm hardly a starry eyed fan of the higher reaches of the legal profession, but at least we have some idea of how they got there and what process they went through.

    This tribunal thing sounds a right shambles.
    If there are to be judges, there will have to be new, specialist judges and if you do not want to call them tribunals, that's fine.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    The High Court judge thing is impracticable. They've got too much else on. You could take the tribunal approach and appoint lawyers as specialist judges, but as we've seen with recent deportation appeals, that is hardly foolproof. Tbh, it is what I'd suggest, though.
    That is an argument for increasing court capacity. Not for removing legal safeguards.

    I'm hardly a starry eyed fan of the higher reaches of the legal profession, but at least we have some idea of how they got there and what process they went through.

    This tribunal thing sounds a right shambles.
    Disagreed completely.

    The tribunal thing is comparable to how it works in other countries, I said all along the safeguards on this were far too draconian and should be dropped.

    Next one that should go is the preposterous six month limit. Anyone with a degenerative disease should be able to have their free will respected, even if they have five years of absolute agony to "look forward to".
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,648
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    viewcode said:

    ...
    CalvinAndHobbes

    Tragically, POTUS was not a DEI position...
    I dunno, hiring an orang-utan definitely qualifies under diversity.
    An orang-utan would have been more qualified than Trump
  • ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    With all due respect, Cyclefree has a very vested (and not hidden) ideological vested interest in seeing this Bill killed and has made no bones to hide that. Not an impartial review of the Bills safeguards at all.

    Anyone suggesting a lack of safeguards is not serious, there are so many it was ridiculous and impractical. Having fewer but done well would be smarter.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,607
    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-mislead-when-asked-about-current-affairs-bbc-finds

    More than half of the AI-generated answers provided by ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity were judged to have “significant issues”, according to the study by the BBC.

    The errors included stating that Rishi Sunak was still the prime minister and that Nicola Sturgeon was still Scotland’s first minister; misrepresenting NHS advice about vaping; and mistaking opinions and archive material for up-to-date facts.

    I actually use AI in my work for generating PowerPoint and basic tools like timelines. But one of the things I use it for is to stimulate discussion about what is actually right because we go through it checking for errors and correcting them.

    Despite what has been claimed, it is a long way from dominating the Earth.
    The biggest threat from current AI is not it taking over the world; it is from stupid people believing it is better than it is, and trusting it - even when it is obviously wrong.

    And that's where the hype is taking us.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,793
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I’m don’t know Badenoch is being called a “policy wonk”.
    There’s no evidence at all for that.
    At least in terms of how she presents, she comes across as a little dim.

    I also keep hearing she is lazy.
    She certainly achieved nothing at all while holding some key ministries under Sunak.

    The question is when, not if, she goes.

    Yet she is still forecast to make more net gains at the next general election than Hague or Ed Miliband or Foot did when they became LOTO after their party lost power at the subsequent general election and for their to be a hung parliament.

    If she went before the next GE she would only be replaced by Philp or Stride who wouldn't make much difference anyway
    Not Jenrick?

    I mean huzzah if that's so, but he's desperate for the job, isn't he?
    He failed to win either the Tory MPs or membership vote (while Sunak at least had won the MPs vote when he replaced Truss midterm) nor does he hold a front rank top 3 Shadow Cabinet role like Michael Howard as Shadow Chancellor did when he replaced IDS midterm or as Truss held when she replaced Boris or Boris had had when he replaced May ie they had both been Foreign Secretary.
    Both Stride and Philp have made next to zero impact. And they would be chucked out with the Kemi bathwater. It will be Jenrick if it's anyone before GE29.
    It won't, Kemi won the Tory MPs vote and the Tory members vote. Her wing of the party has a lock on the Conservative leadership until the next general election
    No doll, sorry. Above all, the Tories need to be elected. If Kemi fails, there's nobody else in reserve. The Goveite faction only ever desired power. If the ability to win power leaves the Tories, they won't be interested anyway - they'll attempt to suck up to Nigel or join what's left of Labour. They will not be interested in sticking around in a blue Lib Dem party. It is Jenrick's to lose.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,941

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-mislead-when-asked-about-current-affairs-bbc-finds

    More than half of the AI-generated answers provided by ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity were judged to have “significant issues”, according to the study by the BBC.

    The errors included stating that Rishi Sunak was still the prime minister and that Nicola Sturgeon was still Scotland’s first minister; misrepresenting NHS advice about vaping; and mistaking opinions and archive material for up-to-date facts.

    I actually use AI in my work for generating PowerPoint and basic tools like timelines. But one of the things I use it for is to stimulate discussion about what is actually right because we go through it checking for errors and correcting them.

    Despite what has been claimed, it is a long way from dominating the Earth.
    The biggest threat from current AI is not it taking over the world; it is from stupid people believing it is better than it is, and trusting it - even when it is obviously wrong.

    And that's where the hype is taking us.
    1) the computer is assumed to be right, legally
    2) therefore reality is wrong, legally.
    3) anything that “attacks the law” is evil.
    4) so reality is evil.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,793
    Nigelb said:

    Far-right populists much more likely than the left to spread fake news – study
    Amplifying misinformation is now part of radical right strategy, says Dutch study of tweets by MPs in 26 countries
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/far-right-mps-fake-news-misinformation-left-study

    We've done this and it was bollocks.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    edited February 11

    kamski said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-mislead-when-asked-about-current-affairs-bbc-finds

    More than half of the AI-generated answers provided by ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity were judged to have “significant issues”, according to the study by the BBC.

    The errors included stating that Rishi Sunak was still the prime minister and that Nicola Sturgeon was still Scotland’s first minister; misrepresenting NHS advice about vaping; and mistaking opinions and archive material for up-to-date facts.

    The LLMs seem to have a weird issue with death. Either claiming people are dead who aren't or vice versa. A lot of the Apple Intelligence problems were this.
    Maybe they know something we don't
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 386
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Battlebus said:

    BBC1 exposing Labour's rental sector black mould crisis

    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    This shouldn't be happening under a Labour Government. This is disgusting. Starmer get a grip.

    AFAIK it's the Social landlords (RSL) who were the problem and not necessarily 'private' rented. RSLs should ensure their homes meet the Decent Homes Standard but a) do not always b) are slow to respond and c) are forced to rent at below market levels a.k.a. affordable. So they get caught out between lower income, higher costs, and tend to have higher levels of default.

    Housing is broken.
    There's a big difference between PRS and Social.

    The social sector is regulated by the landlords themselves, via a "Code of Practice", aiui.

    Shelter and similar hardly ever talk about it.

    Plus PRS satisfaction etc ratings are in many cases higher (in the English Housing Survey).
    PS Anecdata: I went to see the couple at my most recent renovation (which was ~2017), who I have not seen since a quick "everything OK" phone call in late November. Rent review is due in April (probably a +2.5-3% ish request), and a Gas Check soon, and the rule is 3 months notice or by agreement (which may be about to become even more formal than it is already).

    They have been there for 18 months, and the only issue was the trickle ventilation which was a touch noisy at night - so turned it down from 3 to 2 on the ceiling control. And they (couple, 70s, husband with dementia) starting to wonder whether they need a walk in shower rather than a bath and shower seat - it would likely be part funded, but the trade off to consider is loss of a big hall storage / laundry type cupboard.

    The thing that achieves that 6-7 years and 4 tenants later with basically nothing having gone wrong at all and no need for any replacements is a high quality renovation (eg carpets still as new), fittings, and good tenants.

    That's trickier in social rentals.
    Social Landlords remove all carpets due to the possibility of bug infestation and the follow-up claims. New Social tenants find themselves in a completely bare house.

    Are bugs a problem in Social Housing? Perhaps not just ...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czrlj41jy7mo
  • kamski said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-mislead-when-asked-about-current-affairs-bbc-finds

    More than half of the AI-generated answers provided by ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity were judged to have “significant issues”, according to the study by the BBC.

    The errors included stating that Rishi Sunak was still the prime minister and that Nicola Sturgeon was still Scotland’s first minister; misrepresenting NHS advice about vaping; and mistaking opinions and archive material for up-to-date facts.

    The LLMs seem to have a weird issue with death. Either claiming people are dead who aren't or vice versa. A lot of the Apple Intelligence problems were this.
    The LLMs have a weird issue in not being able to discern reality from "hallucinations" and put confidence in bullshitting any answer that sounds right over actually being right.

    Whether someone is alive or dead is just a simple Boolean that it's getting wrong, but it's not unique to that.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,821
    boulay said:

    Whilst I am full of admiration for the speed since inauguration Trump has set about tearing up the world order and offending everyone outside the US and making venal decisions with regards to taking land for financial gain, when it
    S he going to deliver on the important stuff he promised such as releasing the JFK files?

    I had a thought last night, is the way Trump is clumsily “courting” Canada, Greenland, Gaza etc just a mirror of how he approaches women? Is he grabbing Ottawa’s pussy, does he see Greenland as E Jean Carroll, is there a chance a hot Eastern European country might flutter their eyelids at him and get a load of spending?

    He seems to be within an ace of restarting the war in Gaza, after just three weeks in office. Quick work.
  • I don't know which versions of the LLMs they used (I hope they weren't numpties and used ones that don't have access to the internet and whose training stopped 12+ months ago), because I asked ChatGPT 4o these questions about leaders etc and it got all of them correct.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/11/ai-chatbots-distort-and-mislead-when-asked-about-current-affairs-bbc-finds

    More than half of the AI-generated answers provided by ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity were judged to have “significant issues”, according to the study by the BBC.

    The errors included stating that Rishi Sunak was still the prime minister and that Nicola Sturgeon was still Scotland’s first minister; misrepresenting NHS advice about vaping; and mistaking opinions and archive material for up-to-date facts.

    I actually use AI in my work for generating PowerPoint and basic tools like timelines. But one of the things I use it for is to stimulate discussion about what is actually right because we go through it checking for errors and correcting them.

    Despite what has been claimed, it is a long way from dominating the Earth.
    No, but it will replace the jobs of millions who are equally fallible, but less tractable and more expensive to employ.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,169
    Trump on Ukraine: "They may be Russian some day, or they may not be Russian someday. But we're gonna all this money in there, and I say I want it back."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lhucbyt6b622

    Looks like the burger eating surrender monkey is getting ready to pay back Putin.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117

    Nigelb said:

    Far-right populists much more likely than the left to spread fake news – study
    Amplifying misinformation is now part of radical right strategy, says Dutch study of tweets by MPs in 26 countries
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/far-right-mps-fake-news-misinformation-left-study

    We've done this and it was bollocks.
    So stop spreading the bollocks.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 386

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    At our usual rate of progress, we'll probably get around to reforming this about the same time as does the EU.

    France just held a big AI summit. They want to build up their tech sector. Global prosperity would be enhanced by this. But I can't tell you how insane EU regulation is here, and how it inadvertently enhances market power of big US firms. Let's look at GDPR, for example. 1/x
    https://x.com/Afinetheorem/status/1889012188376953300

    The EU won’t reform. If anything it will go for more regulation. It’s just recently regulated on bloody phone chargers. Hardly something to drive innovation. Some regulation is good. I ro management for the sake of it less so.

    At least SKS and Reeves seem to be tackling excessive regulation now, or starting to.
    Really?

    The Online Safety Act is the latest bone of contention between Britain and America.
    Wait till they scrap Net neutrality. To paraphrase Ford, all the Social Media you want as long as it's TwiX.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    viewcode said:

    ...
    CalvinAndHobbes

    Tragically, POTUS was not a DEI position...
    I dunno, hiring an orang-utan definitely qualifies under diversity.
    And look at his cabinet - the ethically challenged; the intellectually challenged; the empathy challenged; the sanity challenged...

    DEI from top to bottom.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,732
    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Considering the last funding round was at a price of $150bn, it's hard to see why they would take it.
    Other than the Chinese just released yet another model that beats them....time to cash out !!!
    None of the recent models from China really come close. I've tried them on 100s of pipelines and they absolutely are a huge gain on previous gpt4-era models - but not a step above o1/o3. About comparable with a regular base model and a 'contemplative' prompt such as https://gist.github.com/Maharshi-Pandya/4aeccbe1dbaa7f89c182bd65d2764203
    I was joking. People lost their senses over DeepSeek. o3 is a big leap forward, but still finding it regularly struggles with quite straightforward things.
    Yeah - I've found it quite wanting in many regards. It still fails my basic test of "Here are three job candidates - one of whom is dead". Barely acknowledges that being dead is a hindrance. At best mentions it might affect their start date. (Anthropic's models are great on this though)

    Earlier today I ran a a basic job applicant scan with it - compare candidate X to candidate Y. It said X was best. Then ran it to compare candidate Y to candidate X. It said candidate Y was best.

    But o3 is sh*t-hot at graduate-level maths. Like "whoah there" good.
    Maybe you just need a more pro-growth attitude. Getting the dead into work will greatly increase productivity. And anything they earn can be taxed through inheritance tax.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,793
    ...

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A consortium of investors led by Elon Musk offered $97.4bn to take over OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT. The billionaire's attorney, Marc Toberoff, confirmed he submitted the bid for "all assets" of the tech company to its board on Monday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdx75zgg88o

    Considering the last funding round was at a price of $150bn, it's hard to see why they would take it.
    Other than the Chinese just released yet another model that beats them....time to cash out !!!
    None of the recent models from China really come close. I've tried them on 100s of pipelines and they absolutely are a huge gain on previous gpt4-era models - but not a step above o1/o3. About comparable with a regular base model and a 'contemplative' prompt such as https://gist.github.com/Maharshi-Pandya/4aeccbe1dbaa7f89c182bd65d2764203
    I was joking. People lost their senses over DeepSeek. o3 is a big leap forward, but still finding it regularly struggles with quite straightforward things.
    Yeah - I've found it quite wanting in many regards. It still fails my basic test of "Here are three job candidates - one of whom is dead". Barely acknowledges that being dead is a hindrance. At best mentions it might affect their start date. (Anthropic's models are great on this though)

    Earlier today I ran a a basic job applicant scan with it - compare candidate X to candidate Y. It said X was best. Then ran it to compare candidate Y to candidate X. It said candidate Y was best.

    But o3 is sh*t-hot at graduate-level maths. Like "whoah there" good.
    Maybe you just need a more pro-growth attitude. Getting the dead into work will greatly increase productivity. And anything they earn can be taxed through inheritance tax.
    America have led the way with Joe Biden.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,941
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    viewcode said:

    ...
    CalvinAndHobbes

    Tragically, POTUS was not a DEI position...
    I dunno, hiring an orang-utan definitely qualifies under diversity.
    And look at his cabinet - the ethically challenged; the intellectually challenged; the empathy challenged; the sanity challenged...

    DEI from top to bottom.
    Your forgetting the legally challenged
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,732

    Nigelb said:

    Far-right populists much more likely than the left to spread fake news – study
    Amplifying misinformation is now part of radical right strategy, says Dutch study of tweets by MPs in 26 countries
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/far-right-mps-fake-news-misinformation-left-study

    We've done this and it was bollocks.
    Well, you tend towards right-wing populism and you’re spreading fake news here…
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    Foxy said:

    Trump on Ukraine: "They may be Russian some day, or they may not be Russian someday. But we're gonna all this money in there, and I say I want it back."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lhucbyt6b622

    Looks like the burger eating surrender monkey is getting ready to pay back Putin.

    He says Ukraine is promising to pay back the "500 billion" in rare earth. How much has the US actually given so far? 100 billion or less? So it sounds like Trump is actually promising a massive increase in US support...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump on Ukraine: "They may be Russian some day, or they may not be Russian someday. But we're gonna all this money in there, and I say I want it back."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lhucbyt6b622

    Looks like the burger eating surrender monkey is getting ready to pay back Putin.

    He says Ukraine is promising to pay back the "500 billion" in rare earth. How much has the US actually given so far? 100 billion or less? So it sounds like Trump is actually promising a massive increase in US support...
    You've never heard anyone demand protection money, then.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,825
    Taz said:

    Is this necessary?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/02/10/andrew-gwynne-whatsapp-chat-non-crime-hate-incident/

    Ex-Labour minister’s WhatsApp chat recorded as non-crime hate incident

    Police confirm they have begun inquiry into Andrew Gwynne’s messages

    I thought the Police up and down the country had stopped doing this.
    Easier sitting at desk eating doughnuts rather than having to get their arses out and actually catch real criminals.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816

    I don't know which versions of the LLMs they used (I hope they weren't numpties and used ones that don't have access to the internet and whose training stopped 12+ months ago), because I asked ChatGPT 4o these questions about leaders etc and it got all of them correct.

    They used ChatGPT 4o

    See appendix here:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/documents/bbc-research-into-ai-assistants.pdf

    You might not have asked the same questions

    These are example questions:

    What caused the Valencia floods?
    How many Russians have died in Ukraine?
    Is vaping bad for you?
    What is the latest on the independence referendum debate in Scotland?
    What did Labour promise?


    Plus:

    With each AI assistant and question the following prompt was used to generate a response:

    Use BBC News sources where possible. [QUESTION]

    The purpose of this prompt prefix is to encourage AI assistants to draw on BBC News articles
    when forming responses so that we could test against our own content. That said, the prefix
    did not appear to prevent any of the AI assistants from drawing sources from other news
    publishers or information providers. Each prompt was entered into a new chat thread.


    Also:

    This research covers four AI assistants which can search the internet: ChatGPT, Copilot,
    Gemini and Perplexity. To conduct this research the BBC removed access restrictions, such as
    blocks in robots.txt and site headers, and allowed AI companies to crawl BBC content.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I’m don’t know Badenoch is being called a “policy wonk”.
    There’s no evidence at all for that.
    At least in terms of how she presents, she comes across as a little dim.

    I also keep hearing she is lazy.
    She certainly achieved nothing at all while holding some key ministries under Sunak.

    The question is when, not if, she goes.

    Yet she is still forecast to make more net gains at the next general election than Hague or Ed Miliband or Foot did when they became LOTO after their party lost power at the subsequent general election and for their to be a hung parliament.

    If she went before the next GE she would only be replaced by Philp or Stride who wouldn't make much difference anyway
    Not Jenrick?

    I mean huzzah if that's so, but he's desperate for the job, isn't he?
    He failed to win either the Tory MPs or membership vote (while Sunak at least had won the MPs vote when he replaced Truss midterm) nor does he hold a front rank top 3 Shadow Cabinet role like Michael Howard as Shadow Chancellor did when he replaced IDS midterm or as Truss held when she replaced Boris or Boris had had when he replaced May ie they had both been Foreign Secretary.
    Both Stride and Philp have made next to zero impact. And they would be chucked out with the Kemi bathwater. It will be Jenrick if it's anyone before GE29.
    It won't, Kemi won the Tory MPs vote and the Tory members vote. Her wing of the party has a lock on the Conservative leadership until the next general election
    No doll, sorry. Above all, the Tories need to be elected. If Kemi fails, there's nobody else in reserve. The Goveite faction only ever desired power. If the ability to win power leaves the Tories, they won't be interested anyway - they'll attempt to suck up to Nigel or join what's left of Labour. They will not be interested in sticking around in a blue Lib Dem party. It is Jenrick's to lose.
    If Kemi lost the general election maybe but not before
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,538

    Nigelb said:

    Far-right populists much more likely than the left to spread fake news – study
    Amplifying misinformation is now part of radical right strategy, says Dutch study of tweets by MPs in 26 countries
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/far-right-mps-fake-news-misinformation-left-study

    We've done this and it was bollocks.
    Are you suggesting that this is fake news?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,732
    Drain the swamp!
    Drain the swamp!
    Drain the swamp!

    Trump ousts director of Office of Government Ethics
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-office-of-government-ethics-director/
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,538

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Assisted Dying Bill.

    Sponsors want to remove need for High Court approval.

    Assisted dying cases would no longer have to be signed off by the High Court under changes suggested by the bill's supporters.

    The proposed law currently says a High Court judge must check each person is eligible and has not been coerced into making the decision to die.

    But BBC News has been told Kim Leadbeater, the Labour MP behind the bill, will suggest replacing this with a panel of experts who would oversee applications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2egl17pvldo

    A ‘panel of experts’. How disconcertingly vague.

    Presumably signed off by Mr H Shipman, who would probably strongly approve of this bill.
    Cyclefree has been sounding the alarm over the lack of safeguards already. Plus the lack of proper scrutiny. Now the major safeguard is being undermined if not removed and the scrutiny process restricted further.

    Whether you’re pro or anti assisted dying this is an absolute train crash. It’s like watching a civil servant at the DfE trying to explain their obsession with phonics.
    With all due respect, Cyclefree has a very vested (and not hidden) ideological vested interest in seeing this Bill killed and has made no bones to hide that. Not an impartial review of the Bills safeguards at all.

    Anyone suggesting a lack of safeguards is not serious, there are so many it was ridiculous and impractical. Having fewer but done well would be smarter.
    What's an "ideological vested interest"? Sounds like the kind of euphemism that TSE would use.

    Do you just mean she has a strong, principled view about it? Nowt wrong with that, even if you disagree with the underlying argument.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    boulay said:

    Whilst I am full of admiration for the speed since inauguration Trump has set about tearing up the world order and offending everyone outside the US and making venal decisions with regards to taking land for financial gain, when it
    S he going to deliver on the important stuff he promised such as releasing the JFK files?

    I had a thought last night, is the way Trump is clumsily “courting” Canada, Greenland, Gaza etc just a mirror of how he approaches women? Is he grabbing Ottawa’s pussy, does he see Greenland as E Jean Carroll, is there a chance a hot Eastern European country might flutter their eyelids at him and get a load of spending?

    The problem there is that it is pretty much all illegal, and afaics *all* dishonest.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,941
    MattW said:

    boulay said:

    Whilst I am full of admiration for the speed since inauguration Trump has set about tearing up the world order and offending everyone outside the US and making venal decisions with regards to taking land for financial gain, when it
    S he going to deliver on the important stuff he promised such as releasing the JFK files?

    I had a thought last night, is the way Trump is clumsily “courting” Canada, Greenland, Gaza etc just a mirror of how he approaches women? Is he grabbing Ottawa’s pussy, does he see Greenland as E Jean Carroll, is there a chance a hot Eastern European country might flutter their eyelids at him and get a load of spending?

    The problem there is that it is pretty much all illegal, and afaics *all* dishonest.
    Do you mean that that nice Mr Trump might not be entirely on the up-and-up?

    Bit strong, that.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,793
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Far-right populists much more likely than the left to spread fake news – study
    Amplifying misinformation is now part of radical right strategy, says Dutch study of tweets by MPs in 26 countries
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/far-right-mps-fake-news-misinformation-left-study

    We've done this and it was bollocks.
    Are you suggesting that this is fake news?
    It was a poorly conceived study that led to an entirely circular conclusion.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,604

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Far-right populists much more likely than the left to spread fake news – study
    Amplifying misinformation is now part of radical right strategy, says Dutch study of tweets by MPs in 26 countries
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/far-right-mps-fake-news-misinformation-left-study

    We've done this and it was bollocks.
    Are you suggesting that this is fake news?
    It was a poorly conceived study that led to an entirely circular conclusion.
    People leaping on it are doing so as this will simply chime with their viewpoint.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,398
    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Battlebus said:

    BBC1 exposing Labour's rental sector black mould crisis

    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    This shouldn't be happening under a Labour Government. This is disgusting. Starmer get a grip.

    AFAIK it's the Social landlords (RSL) who were the problem and not necessarily 'private' rented. RSLs should ensure their homes meet the Decent Homes Standard but a) do not always b) are slow to respond and c) are forced to rent at below market levels a.k.a. affordable. So they get caught out between lower income, higher costs, and tend to have higher levels of default.

    Housing is broken.
    There's a big difference between PRS and Social.

    The social sector is regulated by the landlords themselves, via a "Code of Practice", aiui.

    Shelter and similar hardly ever talk about it.

    Plus PRS satisfaction etc ratings are in many cases higher (in the English Housing Survey).
    PS Anecdata: I went to see the couple at my most recent renovation (which was ~2017), who I have not seen since a quick "everything OK" phone call in late November. Rent review is due in April (probably a +2.5-3% ish request), and a Gas Check soon, and the rule is 3 months notice or by agreement (which may be about to become even more formal than it is already).

    They have been there for 18 months, and the only issue was the trickle ventilation which was a touch noisy at night - so turned it down from 3 to 2 on the ceiling control. And they (couple, 70s, husband with dementia) starting to wonder whether they need a walk in shower rather than a bath and shower seat - it would likely be part funded, but the trade off to consider is loss of a big hall storage / laundry type cupboard.

    The thing that achieves that 6-7 years and 4 tenants later with basically nothing having gone wrong at all and no need for any replacements is a high quality renovation (eg carpets still as new), fittings, and good tenants.

    That's trickier in social rentals.
    Social Landlords remove all carpets due to the possibility of bug infestation and the follow-up claims. New Social tenants find themselves in a completely bare house.

    Are bugs a problem in Social Housing? Perhaps not just ...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czrlj41jy7mo
    Wasn't that wool insulation? Though I'm not sure if it was 18th centuiry or 21st century.
  • Palestinian migrants have been granted the right to live in the UK after applying through a scheme meant for Ukrainian refugees.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/11/court-gives-gazans-right-settle-uk-palestine-ukraine/
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