Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

100 days in and so far it’s not looking good for Kemi Badenoch – politicalbetting.com

12467

Comments

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    I'm on Boris for PM at 32...

    Talk
    @TalkTV

    Julia Hartley-Brewer says she would "vote for Labour" if Boris Johnson led a pact between the Tories and Reform UK.

    "That man steps into 10 Downing Street again over my dead body!"

    @JuliaHB1

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1888915568717103112
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,474
    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    As a Labour chap, I have to say I'm pretty furious about the behaviour of these two MPs (Gwynne and Ryan) who have been suspended. How thick are they not to realise that their private 'banter' in such a large group may well reach the public domain? People really should keep offensive thoughts, even if they think they're being funny, in their head.

    And, for the record, the idea that it's any business of the police is nonsense, though I gather that they felt they had to respond to a number of complaints. The police should be able to say 'thanks, but no thanks - no further action'.

    Thank the Lord no one ever shoots their mouth off (figuratively) on PB.
    If there were an MP posting on here, I'd assume they'd be pretty cautious. If they weren't, they'd be a numpty.
    If they posted on here they'd be a numpty full stop.
    Nick Palmer managed to post largely interestingly on here while an MP without making himself or his party look stupid.
    Was the threesome tale told while he was an MP or not ?

    Not that is made him look stupid.
    No - it was prefaced with something like "Now it's unlikely to have any impact on my political career...".
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,208
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    It may be that only 41% of 18 year olds are British. I'm sure not of course, but the immigration numbers are huge and the birth rate differentials are substantial.

    Nonetheless it'll become tricky to man the floating scrapyards (oh sorry Brown's-carriers) that we have to desperately stop sinking in order to maintain our national pride.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    algarkirk said:

    What is going to become huge is the issue of the relation of POTUS, the government of USA and 'the rule of law' as traditionally understood - ie governments have to obey the law, including obeying court orders, as in the UK.

    This today from the BBC is a useful summary. See what Vance raises:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx3j5k63xo

    A question is going to be - and there are likely to be some massive ground breaking bits of litigation - as the POTUS has recently acquired gigantic immunities from SCOTUS, does this extend to him by fiat being able to break the law (in the conventional sense - eg making an order which looks illegal on its face, whuich he has) and because of his immunities further then require it by fiat to be enforced by the courts.

    Which would be a proper Grade A fascist state.

    No it doesn’t.
    Though, given the conservative justices pretzel logic, they could indeed rule that way. But they might as well just revoke the entire constitution if they do.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613

    I'm on Boris for PM at 32...

    Talk
    @TalkTV

    Julia Hartley-Brewer says she would "vote for Labour" if Boris Johnson led a pact between the Tories and Reform UK.

    "That man steps into 10 Downing Street again over my dead body!"

    @JuliaHB1

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1888915568717103112

    CCHQ won't allow him on the candidates list anyway
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216

    Adam Brooks AKA EssexPR 🇬🇧
    @EssexPR
    ·
    3h
    🚨 REFORM UK WILL ABOLISH INHERITANCE TAX
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    Russia was already a Republic before the October 2017 Revolution that led to the establishment of the USSR.
    For less than a year before the Communists took over
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434
    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    @viewcode Do you reckon we should be trying to drill to, or reach, the core of the earth ?
    Which drilling platform: Dalek (Hartnell), Dalek (Cushing), Doug McClure or The Core?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,474
    EPG said:

    Cookie said:

    pigeon said:

    EPG said:

    Davey beats Farage. That's interesting.

    Not a surprise. No politicians are popular, but Davey at least occupies the opposite end of the divisiveness scale to Farage.
    Arguably Davey bears as much responsibility for Brexit as Farage. Had the Lib Dems honoured their manifesto pledge in 2007 and voted for a referendum on the Lisbon treaty, there were enough votes on the Labour side for a referendum that one might have been held. Instead, he led a highly-staged and disingenuous flounce of the Lib Dems in parliament, superficially at the fact that no referendum on EU membership as a whole was being offered - though really as a way for the Lib Dems not to have to vote against more Europe. And as a result Gordon Brown was able to go and sign Lisbon

    Had he not done so, I would argue Lisbon would have been kicked into the long grass, the ratchet would have come to a halt, and we would be left with a Europe there was far less opposition to - here or elsewhere in the continent. We would nit have Brexited.

    I would argue Davey is actually more consequential in bringing about Brexit than Farage.
    There is no opposition to the Lisbon Treaty on the continent, and very little meaningful opposition to EU membership, for that matter. The EU opponents folded upon proximity to power, or died.

    Brexiteers need to start taking responsibility for their decisions, not blaming bloomin' Ed Davey.
    Where it WAS offered in a referendum it struggled to pass (and ISTR actually failed in places,albeit this was ignored).
    "More Europe" has almost never received an enthusiastic welcome at the ballot box.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    And I told you: Your Monarchism makes you a Socialist!
    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    HYUFD said:

    I'm on Boris for PM at 32...

    Talk
    @TalkTV

    Julia Hartley-Brewer says she would "vote for Labour" if Boris Johnson led a pact between the Tories and Reform UK.

    "That man steps into 10 Downing Street again over my dead body!"

    @JuliaHB1

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1888915568717103112

    CCHQ won't allow him on the candidates list anyway
    I might still win.

    Who says he has to be a Tory MP to lead a pact??

    Everything is in motion. Many many moving parts.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    It may be that only 41% of 18 year olds are British. I'm sure not of course, but the immigration numbers are huge and the birth rate differentials are substantial.

    Nonetheless it'll become tricky to man the floating scrapyards (oh sorry Brown's-carriers) that we have to desperately stop sinking in order to maintain our national pride.
    To be fair 11% say they would fight for their country which is a higher percentage of the population than our in our armed forces even now
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Nigelb said:

    I'd prefer they'd have been completely abolished, but that's probably not possible owing to current generation capacity constraints.

    If we'd done nuclear quicker, it would be another way we could have saved money.
    Stupid Tories.

    Subsidies halved for controversial Drax power station
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyplj7dkw2o

    Still, the annual savings are not inconsiderable.

    If we’d already built the new nuclear stations, it would save us another half a billion a year in subsidies to Drax.
  • viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    @viewcode Do you reckon we should be trying to drill to, or reach, the core of the earth ?
    Which drilling platform: Dalek (Hartnell), Dalek (Cushing), Doug McClure or The Core?
    Is it an EVIL drilling platform?

    https://austinpowers.fandom.com/wiki/Project_Vulcan
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,208
    edited February 10

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    @viewcode Do you reckon we should be trying to drill to, or reach, the core of the earth ?
    With current technology sadly impossible. We can't even get the relatively short distance through the crust.
    Do you know what the story is if you actually just dig a hole and keep digging?

    There are some reasonably obvious early things, but what actually stops you in the end?

    Edit: I don't know.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,667
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Farage has a pretty dim view of young people if he thinks their minds are so easily poisoned.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,914


    Adam Brooks AKA EssexPR 🇬🇧
    @EssexPR
    ·
    3h
    🚨 REFORM UK WILL ABOLISH INHERITANCE TAX

    Has Reform appointed a Treasury spokesman yet?
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    And I told you: Your Monarchism makes you a Socialist!
    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,941

    Nigelb said:

    Pavng the way for overland supersonic commercial flights.
    (ie the US market.)

    Boom! We cracked it! Today we are introducing Boomless Cruise—supersonic flights up to 50% faster with no audible sonic boom.

    We quietly (har har) demo'd this on XB-1's first supersonic flight—three times actually. 🧵👇

    https://x.com/bscholl/status/1888939430833975765

    It should be banned from UK airports as they did with Concorde.
    Concorde wasn’t, in the end, banned from airports. It wasn’t allowed to fly supersonically over land. Since its subsonic cruise was hideously inefficient, that blocked it from most routes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    edited February 10

    I’m don’t know Badenoch is being called a “policy wonk”.
    There’s no evidence at all for that.
    At least in terms of how she presents, she comes across as a little dim.

    I also keep hearing she is lazy.
    She certainly achieved nothing at all while holding some key ministries under Sunak.

    The question is when, not if, she goes.

    Yet she is still forecast to make more net gains at the next general election than Hague or Ed Miliband or Foot did when they became LOTO after their party lost power at the subsequent general election and for their to be a hung parliament.

    If she went before the next GE she would only be replaced by Philp or Stride who wouldn't make much difference anyway
  • Nigelb said:

    Pavng the way for overland supersonic commercial flights.
    (ie the US market.)

    Boom! We cracked it! Today we are introducing Boomless Cruise—supersonic flights up to 50% faster with no audible sonic boom.

    We quietly (har har) demo'd this on XB-1's first supersonic flight—three times actually. 🧵👇

    https://x.com/bscholl/status/1888939430833975765

    It should be banned from UK airports as they did with Concorde.
    Concorde wasn’t, in the end, banned from airports. It wasn’t allowed to fly supersonically over land. Since its subsonic cruise was hideously inefficient, that blocked it from most routes.
    Braniff flew Concorde, albeit subsonically, between Washington and Dallas in 1979 and 1980:

    https://www.heritageconcorde.com/braniff-airways-concorde-operations
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,446
    Nigelb said:

    I guarantee she votes to confirm.

    @SenatorCollins slams the Trump admin’s NIH cuts as “poorly conceived” and says she has called RFK to “to express my strong opposition to these arbitrary cuts in funding for vital research.” She says he promised to “re-examine this initiative” if confirmed as HHS secretary.
    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1889027156929310800

    Just pitiful stuff from her.

    More 'private assurances' on the way.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,941
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pavng the way for overland supersonic commercial flights.
    (ie the US market.)

    Boom! We cracked it! Today we are introducing Boomless Cruise—supersonic flights up to 50% faster with no audible sonic boom.

    We quietly (har har) demo'd this on XB-1's first supersonic flight—three times actually. 🧵👇

    https://x.com/bscholl/status/1888939430833975765

    It should be banned from UK airports as they did with Concorde.
    Concorde flew from LHR, which I think is in the UK...
    Perhaps Luckyguy is thinking of supersonic flight - not permitted above land.
    Before Concorde entered service, there were some bans.

    In the US this was down to a combination of the start of the modern environmental movement and a reaction against the test flights over US cities that NASA had conducted using military aircraft to see if people found tolerate sonic booms in everyday life.

    The ban on flying from JFK was overturned before it was ready to enter service.
  • HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Farage has a pretty dim view of young people if he thinks their minds are so easily poisoned.
    Some young people have had their minds poisoned by Radical Right Lunatics.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,607
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Britain is a great country.

    But we don't get to be a great country, or remain one, by 'teaching' people that we are great.

    We do it by being great.
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 110
    edited February 10
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    Russia was already a Republic before the October 2017 Revolution that led to the establishment of the USSR.
    For less than a year before the Communists took over
    Five weeks from the end of the monarchy (14 Sep 1917) to the Bolshevik coup (25 Oct). Then five years until the formation of the USSR (Dec 1922).

    BTW you wouldn't call Proudhon a socialist then, because he wasn't for state control of most of the economy?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    edited February 10

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    And I told you: Your Monarchism makes you a Socialist!
    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
    Hereditary principle =Toryism
    State control of the Economy = Socialism
    Pure free market = Capitalism
    Personal and economic freedom = Liberalism
    Traditional Social Values = Conservatism
  • HYUFD said:

    I’m don’t know Badenoch is being called a “policy wonk”.
    There’s no evidence at all for that.
    At least in terms of how she presents, she comes across as a little dim.

    I also keep hearing she is lazy.
    She certainly achieved nothing at all while holding some key ministries under Sunak.

    The question is when, not if, she goes.

    Yet she is still forecast to make more net gains at the next general election than Hague or Ed Miliband or Foot did when they became LOTO after their party lost power at the subsequent general election and for their to be a hung parliament.

    If she went before the next GE she would only be replaced by Philp or Stride who wouldn't make much difference anyway
    Not Jenrick?

    I mean huzzah if that's so, but he's desperate for the job, isn't he?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613

    HYUFD said:

    I'm on Boris for PM at 32...

    Talk
    @TalkTV

    Julia Hartley-Brewer says she would "vote for Labour" if Boris Johnson led a pact between the Tories and Reform UK.

    "That man steps into 10 Downing Street again over my dead body!"

    @JuliaHB1

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1888915568717103112

    CCHQ won't allow him on the candidates list anyway
    I might still win.

    Who says he has to be a Tory MP to lead a pact??

    Everything is in motion. Many many moving parts.
    It isn't, Reform have rejected it as have CCHQ
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,604
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    @viewcode Do you reckon we should be trying to drill to, or reach, the core of the earth ?
    Which drilling platform: Dalek (Hartnell), Dalek (Cushing), Doug McClure or The Core?
    Professor Stahlman, of course !!

    https://youtu.be/Tk0nRJh6Uyw?si=j5wLzdXiqKGlQpuX
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    viewcode said:

    MJW said:

    LeftieStats thinks that Jess Phillips is third in her constituency behind the Workers’ Party and Reform:

    https://x.com/leftiestats/status/1888992575765283104

    Famously reliable account without a grudge against anyone to the right of Stalin, that one.
    LeftieStats won me tens of pounds with their predictions regarding Green seats in 2024. So yes, reliable.
    If you had followed my predictions it would have been £000's
  • No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999


    Adam Brooks AKA EssexPR 🇬🇧
    @EssexPR
    ·
    3h
    🚨 REFORM UK WILL ABOLISH INHERITANCE TAX

    Unfunded tax cuts? Another bunch of economic illiterates.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,681
    edited February 10

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    .

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    IANAE on the Chagos Islands but the facts I have gleaned are that:

    They once belonged to the French. We took them off the French in 1814 after Waterloo.
    For most of the 18th and 19th centuries we controlled them from Mauritius, a place that had no historical connection with them whatsoever.
    In the 1960s the Americans wanted a mid Indian Ocean base and chose Diego Garcia.
    In 1965 we, somewhat shamefully, kicked the remnants of the French, some African slaves and sundry others off the islands so the Americans could have that base without interference.
    Most of their descendants now live in the UK.
    At the same time we broke the administrative link between Mauritius and the Chagos islands.
    In 1968 Mauritius became independent of the UK.
    In 2021 the UN International Tribunal for the law of the Sea said that we should hand them back to Mauritius and that we had no sovereignty over them, despite controlling them since 1814.
    We are now trying to come to a "deal" by which we pay Mauritius money to take them off our hands without upsetting the Americans.

    To describe the UN Tribunal decision as bizarre is to understate matters by several orders of magnitude.
    Mauritius never had any control of the Chagos when it was independent, either before we conquered it or at the time of their independence in 1968. If the UN is not going to recognise sovereignty after 210 years we are going to need a lot of new maps. The idea that we should pay anything to anybody for this is...words fail me.

    The only real surprise, here, is that the UN is still perceived as a pure neutral arbiter.

    It's about as clean as FIFA.
    Nah, they make FIFA look good.
    The UN Tribunal laid out their legal reasoning. If you think their answer is wrong, can you explain why with respect to the legal precedents?
    See DavidL's post at 20:27

    We should be invoking the legal precedence of Arkell v Pressdram to the Tribunal.
    We could, as nation, make a political choice to do that. One can argue for or against that. My point is that the decision was not weird or biased or unprecedented. It concords with international law.
    International law is a bad joke.

    We should say piss off and move on.
    That kind of behaviour is not without consequence. The question is whether doing so in this instance would have practical consequences we do not want to face. The government have done a poor job communicating those practical consequences, being a bit vague or advancing some scenarios which don't seem very likely, though a case is capable of being made at least, and the sheer rapid persistance to get it over the line has caused even some opponents to wonder if there is something to it (even if they are not yet convinced).
    What's the consequence?

    Countries tell "international law" to piss off all the time. As they bloody well should, its domestic law we should respect.

    Barbossa had it right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ojK9Q_ARE
    Countries obey international law all the time, more often than they tell it to piss off.

    There are cases of countries telling international law to piss off, like Russia invading Ukraine, but maybe we don’t want to emulate those examples.
    Or how about Germany deciding to prioritise its domestic policies over international law?

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-germany-s-law-breaking-undermined-the-eu/

    Something all countries are entitled to do.

    Russia's invasion was wrong because it was wrong to invade another country, not because it was illegal to do so.
    Your example of Germany is about EU law rather than general international law, I believe.

    We agree it is wrong to invade another country. Therefore, we have a rule that should govern how countries relate to each other: don’t invade another country. Great, so we’ve just re-invented international law. You are splitting hairs in your refusal to call that a law.
    No we are not, we are not governed by rules on how countries relate to each other but by realpolitik and consequences.

    Spend on Defence and countries won't attack you.
    Spend on Lawyers and they can.
    So, do you believe might is right, or do you believe it is wrong to invade another country? I believe it is wrong to invade another country.
    I believe that it is wrong to invade another country and that the only way to prevent invasions is deterrence.

    Deterrence has to be backed up with might.

    "Rules" are utterly irrelevant and ignored if deterrence is not there. They have no impact, but deterrence does.
    And yet Luxembourg exists. As do loads of other countries that aren't capable of defending themselves from invasion.
    Luxembourg was invaded and occupied by the Nazis, so what's your point?

    The League of Nations, "rules" etc did not prevent that invasion.

    Post WWII Luxembourg was a founding member state of NATO and what has prevented future invasions is that the USA, UK and France have nuclear weapons so nobody dares invade NATO nations anymore.

    They're protected by our deterrence, not rules.

    That proves my point.
    What is NATO, if not a set of rules?

    The point is that membership of a group based on mutual recognition of a set of rules is an alternative to military deterrence for many countries. What, for example, is stopping Germany or France from simply annexing Luxembourg? It's certainly not Luxembourg's military strength.

  • Adam Brooks AKA EssexPR 🇬🇧
    @EssexPR
    ·
    3h
    🚨 REFORM UK WILL ABOLISH INHERITANCE TAX

    Unfunded tax cuts? Another bunch of economic illiterates.
    REFORM = SOCIALISM?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,066
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Britain is a great country.

    But we don't get to be a great country, or remain one, by 'teaching' people that we are great.

    We do it by being great.
    It wouldbe nice though if we stopped teaching people that we are uniquely awful, racist and shit.
    Most teachers do not.

    Where such attitudes prevail, it is in certain university departments.

    41% of the youngest age cohort being proud of their country does not seem terrible to me. Most of the rest will grow up.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613

    HYUFD said:

    I’m don’t know Badenoch is being called a “policy wonk”.
    There’s no evidence at all for that.
    At least in terms of how she presents, she comes across as a little dim.

    I also keep hearing she is lazy.
    She certainly achieved nothing at all while holding some key ministries under Sunak.

    The question is when, not if, she goes.

    Yet she is still forecast to make more net gains at the next general election than Hague or Ed Miliband or Foot did when they became LOTO after their party lost power at the subsequent general election and for their to be a hung parliament.

    If she went before the next GE she would only be replaced by Philp or Stride who wouldn't make much difference anyway
    Not Jenrick?

    I mean huzzah if that's so, but he's desperate for the job, isn't he?
    He failed to win either the Tory MPs or membership vote (while Sunak at least had won the MPs vote when he replaced Truss midterm) nor does he hold a front rank top 3 Shadow Cabinet role like Michael Howard as Shadow Chancellor did when he replaced IDS midterm or as Truss held when she replaced Boris or Boris had had when he replaced May ie they had both been Foreign Secretary.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,066

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    And I told you: Your Monarchism makes you a Socialist!
    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
    There are hereditary “socialist” monarchies in North Korea and Cuba, but generally, the hereditary principle is not socialist
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Farage has a pretty dim view of young people if he thinks their minds are so easily poisoned.
    I'd need to pore over more figures to confirm, but AIUI the age profile of Reform supporters is pretty even. Labour drops off with age, the Tories gain support with age, but Reform has backers spread across all age groups.

    You can understand the appeal for younger voters - it's born of desperation and the near total lack of interest that the established parties have in the young, beyond getting them working for as long as possible and milking their crap pay packets for taxes. Reform makes loud noises about how awful everything is, which is basically the lived experience of most young people, and it hasn't had the opportunity in power to let them down yet.

    It will, of course, let them down if given the chance. There is no reason to suppose that Reform is any less interested in buoyant house prices and gold plated pensions paid for by ever higher levels of wage confiscation than the established parties. But it can reap the benefits of public loathing for said parties for as long as it isn't revealed to be one itself.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,169
    edited February 10
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Maybe it isn't the schooling, maybe they have eyes to see and ears to here.

    Gaslighting them won't work.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    And I told you: Your Monarchism makes you a Socialist!
    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
    There are hereditary “socialist” monarchies in North Korea and Cuba, but generally, the hereditary principle is not socialist
    They aren't monarchies either as neither leader is a King
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    Winchy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    Russia was already a Republic before the October 2017 Revolution that led to the establishment of the USSR.
    For less than a year before the Communists took over
    Five weeks from the end of the monarchy (14 Sep 1917) to the Bolshevik coup (25 Oct). Then five years until the formation of the USSR (Dec 1922).

    BTW you wouldn't call Proudhon a socialist then, because he wasn't for state control of most of the economy?
    As you say Bolsheviks took over by October, Proudhon was an anarchist not a socialist
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,648
    HYUFD said:

    Our education system is broken' says Farage.

    He actually said "our eduction system" is broken...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Hundreds of millions.

    Feeding frenzy: how army of advisers is making millions from Thames Water
    Court case points to sizeable fees being racked up as firm seeks £3bn loan to try to avoid temporary nationalisation
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/10/how-army-of-advisers-is-making-millions-from-thames-water-loan-court-case

    Just pull the rug, and nationalise it.
  • HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    And I told you: Your Monarchism makes you a Socialist!
    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
    There are hereditary “socialist” monarchies in North Korea and Cuba, but generally, the hereditary principle is not socialist
    They aren't monarchies either as neither leader is a King
    But they are monarchies in all but name!

    Monarchy = Socialism!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,066
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    And I told you: Your Monarchism makes you a Socialist!
    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
    There are hereditary “socialist” monarchies in North Korea and Cuba, but generally, the hereditary principle is not socialist
    They aren't monarchies either as neither leader is a King
    What is in a name? Rome had a Princeps, a Dominus, an Imperator, a Basileus, but never a Rex, after 510 bc.

    But, it was still a monarchy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,169
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Britain is a great country.

    But we don't get to be a great country, or remain one, by 'teaching' people that we are great.

    We do it by being great.
    It wouldbe nice though if we stopped teaching people that we are uniquely awful, racist and shit.
    I don't think any school does that.

    Is it in the National Curriculum? My boys must have missed that bit.
  • HYUFD said:

    Winchy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    Russia was already a Republic before the October 2017 Revolution that led to the establishment of the USSR.
    For less than a year before the Communists took over
    Five weeks from the end of the monarchy (14 Sep 1917) to the Bolshevik coup (25 Oct). Then five years until the formation of the USSR (Dec 1922).

    BTW you wouldn't call Proudhon a socialist then, because he wasn't for state control of most of the economy?
    As you say Bolsheviks took over by October, Proudhon was an anarchist not a socialist
    November according to the Gregorian calendar!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    pigeon said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Farage has a pretty dim view of young people if he thinks their minds are so easily poisoned.
    I'd need to pore over more figures to confirm, but AIUI the age profile of Reform supporters is pretty even. Labour drops off with age, the Tories gain support with age, but Reform has backers spread across all age groups.

    You can understand the appeal for younger voters - it's born of desperation and the near total lack of interest that the established parties have in the young, beyond getting them working for as long as possible and milking their crap pay packets for taxes. Reform makes loud noises about how awful everything is, which is basically the lived experience of most young people, and it hasn't had the opportunity in power to let them down yet.

    It will, of course, let them down if given the chance. There is no reason to suppose that Reform is any less interested in buoyant house prices and gold plated pensions paid for by ever higher levels of wage confiscation than the established parties. But it can reap the benefits of public loathing for said parties for as long as it isn't revealed to be one itself.
    That was the case last year less so now.

    Under Kemi the latest Yougov has the Tories on 20% with 18-24s and 31% with over 65s, an 11% gap.

    Reform though are only on 12% with 18-24s but 29% with over 65s, a 17% gap (albeit Reform do better than the Tories with the middle aged)

    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/VotingIntention_MRP_250203_w.pdf
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,681
    edited February 10
    I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    edited February 10
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    And I told you: Your Monarchism makes you a Socialist!
    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
    There are hereditary “socialist” monarchies in North Korea and Cuba, but generally, the hereditary principle is not socialist
    They aren't monarchies either as neither leader is a King
    What is in a name? Rome had a Princeps, a Dominus, an Imperator, a Basileus, but never a Rex, after 510 bc.

    But, it was still a monarchy.
    It was also a republic and Emperors are really arguably often just leaders of Empires like Napoleon too rather than proper hereditary Kings and Queens
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    He's right. Although the demoralising nature of constant social media use is probably also a factor.
  • Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Britain is a great country.

    But we don't get to be a great country, or remain one, by 'teaching' people that we are great.

    We do it by being great.
    It wouldbe nice though if we stopped teaching people that we are uniquely awful, racist and shit.
    I don't think any school does that.

    Is it in the National Curriculum? My boys must have missed that bit.
    Perhaps Cookie's kids are privately educated.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    And I told you: Your Monarchism makes you a Socialist!
    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
    There are hereditary “socialist” monarchies in North Korea and Cuba, but generally, the hereditary principle is not socialist
    They aren't monarchies either as neither leader is a King
    But they are monarchies in all but name!

    Monarchy = Socialism!
    No Monarchy =Toryism, State control of the economy = Socialism.

    Otherwise you are saying Tories are socialists
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999

    No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    edited February 10
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    He's right. Although the demoralising nature of constant social media use is probably also a factor.
    Social media though is increasingly becoming more rightwing than our education system is
  • I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.

    Trump will sign an Executive Order, and we'll be fine :lol:
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,952
    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    As a Labour chap, I have to say I'm pretty furious about the behaviour of these two MPs (Gwynne and Ryan) who have been suspended. How thick are they not to realise that their private 'banter' in such a large group may well reach the public domain? People really should keep offensive thoughts, even if they think they're being funny, in their head.

    And, for the record, the idea that it's any business of the police is nonsense, though I gather that they felt they had to respond to a number of complaints. The police should be able to say 'thanks, but no thanks - no further action'.

    Thank the Lord no one ever shoots their mouth off (figuratively) on PB.
    If there were an MP posting on here, I'd assume they'd be pretty cautious. If they weren't, they'd be a numpty.
    If they posted on here they'd be a numpty full stop.
    Nick Palmer managed to post largely interestingly on here while an MP without making himself or his party look stupid.
    H

    A rare breed, because he's awesome.
    So awesome he got booted out by his constituents....in 2010...and failed to get re-elected in 2015.
    Let's not go overboard with the adulation....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    He's right. Although the demoralising nature of constant social media use is probably also a factor.
    Social media though is increasingly becoming more rightwing than our education system is
    And not in a good way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613

    No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    The only way to deal with this shit is to vote Democrat.

    GOP senators terrified of crossing Trump, facing Musk-funded challengers
    https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5133777-elon-musk-threatens-republican-senators/
    .. The White House has signaled that Republicans who thwart Trump’s agenda by voting against his controversial nominees or opposing efforts by Musk to freeze government funding and slash federal agencies, such as the U.S. Agency for International Development, will pay a political price.
    And that’s a threat that carries a lot more weight when Musk, the world’s richest person, could easily pour tens of millions of dollars into a Senate Republican primary.
    Musk warned Republican lawmakers in December that he was compiling a “naughty list” of members who buck Trump’s agenda. He also pledged shortly after Election Day that his political action committee would “play a significant role in primaries” next year….


    Musk has become a genuine megalomaniac.
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 110
    HYUFD said:

    Winchy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    Russia was already a Republic before the October 2017 Revolution that led to the establishment of the USSR.
    For less than a year before the Communists took over
    Five weeks from the end of the monarchy (14 Sep 1917) to the Bolshevik coup (25 Oct). Then five years until the formation of the USSR (Dec 1922).

    BTW you wouldn't call Proudhon a socialist then, because he wasn't for state control of most of the economy?
    As you say Bolsheviks took over by October, Proudhon was an anarchist not a socialist
    What about Robert Owen? Charles Fourier? And if we are talking about anarchists, then as well as Proudhonian mutualists what about all the anti-state socialists, calling themselves things like libertarian socialist or libertarian communist, e.g. during the Spanish revolution? Were they secretly state-control dudes or perhaps deluding themselves that what did economically - collectives and stuff - was in any serious sense socialist? Because in your view socialism is about the state, right? That's not what they thought.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,169
    HYUFD said:

    No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    I don't think any of that true. It's all your fevered imagination.

    The Royals all know that expressing political views would end the Monarchy. They may well be thick but they are not that foolish.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    edited February 10
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Britain is a great country.

    But we don't get to be a great country, or remain one, by 'teaching' people that we are great.

    We do it by being great.
    It wouldbe nice though if we stopped teaching people that we are uniquely awful, racist and shit.
    I note you have a shed full of likes for your post well done.

    Perhaps we should celebrate the good guys from our history like Shakespeare, Wren, Wilberforce, Watt, Boulton, Telford, Brunel, Dunlop, Graham Bell, Gresley, Barnes-Wallace, Churchill, Cockerell, Issigonis, the Beatles, Mary Quant, Norman Foster and Tolkein and frown upon all the bad guys like Colston, Rhodes, Leeds United, Gary Glitter and Jimmy Savile.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,793
    edited February 10
    HYUFD said:

    No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    Her Majesty the Queen was (very wisely and rightly) in favour of Brexit, and subtly and without undermining her role in the constitution, let it be known. Sadly her biggest failure was to fail to pass her instincts and wisdom on to her son.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    HYUFD said:

    No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    I was joking. Citations please!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    "Inside Britain's Trump-style mass deportation flights as 19,000 illegal immigrants are kicked out since Labour took power"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14380619/deportation-flights-sending-illegal-immigrants-home.html
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,431
    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    What is going to become huge is the issue of the relation of POTUS, the government of USA and 'the rule of law' as traditionally understood - ie governments have to obey the law, including obeying court orders, as in the UK.

    This today from the BBC is a useful summary. See what Vance raises:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx3j5k63xo

    A question is going to be - and there are likely to be some massive ground breaking bits of litigation - as the POTUS has recently acquired gigantic immunities from SCOTUS, does this extend to him by fiat being able to break the law (in the conventional sense - eg making an order which looks illegal on its face, whuich he has) and because of his immunities further then require it by fiat to be enforced by the courts.

    Which would be a proper Grade A fascist state.

    No it doesn’t.
    Though, given the conservative justices pretzel logic, they could indeed rule that way. But they might as well just revoke the entire constitution if they do.
    Yes. That's what a fascist state looks like. I don't think such moves are impossible. But I don't think they can be hidden.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    edited February 10

    HYUFD said:

    No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    Her Majesty the Queen was (very wisely and rightly) in favour of Brexit, and subtly and without undermining her role in the constitution, let it be known. Sadly her biggest failure was to fail to pass her instincts and wisdom on to her son.
    To be fair to the King as monarch like his mother he doesn't give comments on either side of contentious political arguments
  • Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Inside Britain's Trump-style mass deportation flights as 19,000 illegal immigrants are kicked out since Labour took power"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14380619/deportation-flights-sending-illegal-immigrants-home.html

    Starmer = Britain Trump :lol:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    I don't think any of that true. It's all your fevered imagination.

    The Royals all know that expressing political views would end the Monarchy. They may well be thick but they are not that foolish.
    Of course, they can't even vote but in private those are clearly where the best guess of their allegiances lay (and Harry and Meghan are openly anti Trump Democrats)
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    @viewcode Do you reckon we should be trying to drill to, or reach, the core of the earth ?
    Which drilling platform: Dalek (Hartnell), Dalek (Cushing), Doug McClure or The Core?
    Professor Stahlman, of course !!

    https://youtu.be/Tk0nRJh6Uyw?si=j5wLzdXiqKGlQpuX
    My favourite Pertwee story I think. Though it's up against some stiff competition.
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 110

    Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    Winchy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Winchy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ugh, republic now.

    The King has made a rare joint visit with Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner to give them a personal tour of the vast new-build development in Cornwall that he inspired.

    The visit to Nansledan, a 540-acre extension of Newquay, built on Duchy of Cornwall land, was arranged following multiple discussions about housing between the King and Sir Keir at various meetings.

    Sir Keir expressed an interest in seeing the development and so the King offered to show him around, alongside Ms Rayner, the Housing Secretary.

    It is rare, if not unprecedented, for the monarch to be accompanied on an official public engagement by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/02/10/king-charles-makes-rare-joint-trip-with-starmer-and-rayner/

    Isn't there a security risk there?
    That the King would use the occasion to arrest the PM and Deputy PM and seize power?

    Would we actually care? Would anyone? As far as is known, the King has better left wing credentials than the current government.

    - Environmentalism
    - Housing
    - Concern for minorities
    - Hereditary transfer of power (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    - Wearing lots of bling for military parades (See numerous People's Democratic Republics...)
    Eight years late!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1419766#Comment_1419766

    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    No as I told you then and tell you now monarchy is the essence of Toryism, socialism is state controlled control of most of the economy.

    Hence the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics removed its monarchy and Tsars and replaced them with Lenin and Stalin
    Russia was already a Republic before the October 2017 Revolution that led to the establishment of the USSR.
    For less than a year before the Communists took over
    Five weeks from the end of the monarchy (14 Sep 1917) to the Bolshevik coup (25 Oct). Then five years until the formation of the USSR (Dec 1922).

    BTW you wouldn't call Proudhon a socialist then, because he wasn't for state control of most of the economy?
    As you say Bolsheviks took over by October, Proudhon was an anarchist not a socialist
    What about Robert Owen? Charles Fourier? And if we are talking about anarchists, then as well as Proudhonian mutualists what about all the anti-state socialists, calling themselves things like libertarian socialist or libertarian communist, e.g. during the Spanish revolution? Were they secretly state-control dudes or perhaps deluding themselves that what did economically - collectives and stuff - was in any serious sense socialist? Because in your view socialism is about the state, right? That's not what they thought.
    It is, anarchism is more libertarian than socialist
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408

    Andy_JS said:

    "Inside Britain's Trump-style mass deportation flights as 19,000 illegal immigrants are kicked out since Labour took power"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14380619/deportation-flights-sending-illegal-immigrants-home.html

    Starmer = Britain Trump :lol:
    I initially misread that as "Brian Trump" and now I can't unsee it.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,431

    I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.

    Has this result been Baxtered yet?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,821
    Good to see Reform resisting the temptation to pander to racism.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    BBC1 exposing Labour's rental sector black mould crisis

    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    This shouldn't be happening under a Labour Government. This is disgusting. Starmer get a grip.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,434
    ohnotnow said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    @viewcode Do you reckon we should be trying to drill to, or reach, the core of the earth ?
    Which drilling platform: Dalek (Hartnell), Dalek (Cushing), Doug McClure or The Core?
    Professor Stahlman, of course !!

    https://youtu.be/Tk0nRJh6Uyw?si=j5wLzdXiqKGlQpuX
    My favourite Pertwee story I think. Though it's up against some stiff competition.
    Oddly, I have never seen a Liz Shaw episode... :(
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    edited February 10
    These are two of the best articles imo on Queen Elizabeth II, both written by Theodore Dalrymple.

    "A Sense of Duty Unsurpassed
    Queen Elizabeth II’s formidable virtues create a problem for her successor, who cannot be as good as she"

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/a-sense-of-duty-unsurpassed

    "The Queen's Virtues and Ours"

    https://lawliberty.org/the-queens-virtues-and-ours/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,502
    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    As a Labour chap, I have to say I'm pretty furious about the behaviour of these two MPs (Gwynne and Ryan) who have been suspended. How thick are they not to realise that their private 'banter' in such a large group may well reach the public domain? People really should keep offensive thoughts, even if they think they're being funny, in their head.

    And, for the record, the idea that it's any business of the police is nonsense, though I gather that they felt they had to respond to a number of complaints. The police should be able to say 'thanks, but no thanks - no further action'.

    Thank the Lord no one ever shoots their mouth off (figuratively) on PB.
    If there were an MP posting on here, I'd assume they'd be pretty cautious. If they weren't, they'd be a numpty.
    If they posted on here they'd be a numpty full stop.
    Nick Palmer managed to post largely interestingly on here while an MP without making himself or his party look stupid.
    He did keep the more adventurous of his recreational activities under cover until well out of office, however.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,491
    Winchy said:

    Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,604
    ohnotnow said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    @viewcode Do you reckon we should be trying to drill to, or reach, the core of the earth ?
    Which drilling platform: Dalek (Hartnell), Dalek (Cushing), Doug McClure or The Core?
    Professor Stahlman, of course !!

    https://youtu.be/Tk0nRJh6Uyw?si=j5wLzdXiqKGlQpuX
    My favourite Pertwee story I think. Though it's up against some stiff competition.
    Especially in that season. All sure fire classics and it is my favourite Pertwee as well. I still remember getting a VHS of it around 1986. Marvellous.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,868
    Andy_JS said:

    "Inside Britain's Trump-style mass deportation flights as 19,000 illegal immigrants are kicked out since Labour took power"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14380619/deportation-flights-sending-illegal-immigrants-home.html

    Wow. The Trump reference he could probably do without, but to receive this publicity on this issue in the Mail will be music to Sir Keir's ears. If the Right aren't panicking yet they should be. This is serious tanks-on-lawn stuff.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,138

    BBC1 exposing Labour's rental sector black mould crisis

    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    This shouldn't be happening under a Labour Government. This is disgusting. Starmer get a grip.

    It shouldn't be happening under a Tory Government but their cut the money that went to local councils who then had no choice but to reprioritise the people who checked such things.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,502

    I'm on Boris for PM at 32...

    Talk
    @TalkTV

    Julia Hartley-Brewer says she would "vote for Labour" if Boris Johnson led a pact between the Tories and Reform UK.

    "That man steps into 10 Downing Street again over my dead body!"

    @JuliaHB1

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1888915568717103112

    It’s the only thing I can think of that would make me vote Labour, as well. Tragic as it is to have something in common with JHB.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,106
    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    I saw that earlier while cooking dinner. I can't help thinking the journalist must have watched The Core and taken it as a documentary.

    The only trouble with the drilling option is of course the danger that the drill bit, when it reaches the inner core, having passed easily through the molten material to get there, skewers it like an olive on a cocktail stick, stops the rotation and kills us all :cry:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,169
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    I don't think any of that true. It's all your fevered imagination.

    The Royals all know that expressing political views would end the Monarchy. They may well be thick but they are not that foolish.
    Of course, they can't even vote but in private those are clearly where the best guess of their allegiances lay (and Harry and Meghan are openly anti Trump Democrats)
    Your best guesses, depending on how much you like them.

    No grounding in evidence.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    I don't think any of that true. It's all your fevered imagination.

    The Royals all know that expressing political views would end the Monarchy. They may well be thick but they are not that foolish.
    Of course, they can't even vote but in private those are clearly where the best guess of their allegiances lay (and Harry and Meghan are openly anti Trump Democrats)
    So the rough logic is :

    * I hold views X
    * I like person Y
    * In private, at a guess, person Y also holds views X
    * ...
    * Numberwang!
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 110
    edited February 10

    Winchy said:

    Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
    You are mixing things up. She was against Scottish independence ("think very carefully") and in favour of Brexit (give me "three good reasons" for staying in the EU).

    But in any case I was only punning on discrete/discreet.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,587

    Andy_JS said:

    "Inside Britain's Trump-style mass deportation flights as 19,000 illegal immigrants are kicked out since Labour took power"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14380619/deportation-flights-sending-illegal-immigrants-home.html

    Wow. The Trump reference he could probably do without, but to receive this publicity on this issue in the Mail will be music to Sir Keir's ears. If the Right aren't panicking yet they should be. This is serious tanks-on-lawn stuff.
    But once Boris is back on the scene, Starmer's Farage tribute act will look irrelevant. The public will be left with a straight choice between the genuine article - Farage - and his nemesis, Boris, the scourge of Putin and champion of liberal values.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,502


    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    There are two ways of reading that, one worse than the other.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    a
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    It may be that only 41% of 18 year olds are British. I'm sure not of course, but the immigration numbers are huge and the birth rate differentials are substantial.

    Nonetheless it'll become tricky to man the floating scrapyards (oh sorry Brown's-carriers) that we have to desperately stop sinking in order to maintain our national pride.
    you think maybe 59% of 18 year olds in Britain aren't British????
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,135

    Winchy said:

    Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
    Wasn’t that Scottish Independence? She didn’t say anything on Brexit that I can recall, there was talk that she had a go at Nick Clegg about the EU once but I’m not sure if that was ever confirmed.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,408
    Taz said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    @viewcode Do you reckon we should be trying to drill to, or reach, the core of the earth ?
    Which drilling platform: Dalek (Hartnell), Dalek (Cushing), Doug McClure or The Core?
    Professor Stahlman, of course !!

    https://youtu.be/Tk0nRJh6Uyw?si=j5wLzdXiqKGlQpuX
    My favourite Pertwee story I think. Though it's up against some stiff competition.
    Especially in that season. All sure fire classics and it is my favourite Pertwee as well. I still remember getting a VHS of it around 1986. Marvellous.
    I tried 'upscaling' one of my original VHS -> divx (yes) files a while back. I gladly went back to the original fuzzy copy. Some things are just better in sketchy 4:3 format.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,398
    Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    I saw that earlier while cooking dinner. I can't help thinking the journalist must have watched The Core and taken it as a documentary.

    The only trouble with the drilling option is of course the danger that the drill bit, when it reaches the inner core, having passed easily through the molten material to get there, skewers it like an olive on a cocktail stick, stops the rotation and kills us all :cry:
    Anyone of my age will gibber with terror at the thought, having seen The Crack in the World with its sort of inverted spaceship.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PqtOCcCBY
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,398
    edited February 10

    Winchy said:

    Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
    That was Indyref - and Cameron let the cat out of the bag in his getting her to intervene in politics.
This discussion has been closed.