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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,101
    I'm on Boris for PM at 32...

    Talk
    @TalkTV

    Julia Hartley-Brewer says she would "vote for Labour" if Boris Johnson led a pact between the Tories and Reform UK.

    "That man steps into 10 Downing Street again over my dead body!"

    @JuliaHB1

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1888915568717103112
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,710
    Taz said:

    Was the threesome tale told while he was an MP or not ?

    Not that is made him look stupid.
    No - it was prefaced with something like "Now it's unlikely to have any impact on my political career...".
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    It may be that only 41% of 18 year olds are British. I'm sure not of course, but the immigration numbers are huge and the birth rate differentials are substantial.

    Nonetheless it'll become tricky to man the floating scrapyards (oh sorry Brown's-carriers) that we have to desperately stop sinking in order to maintain our national pride.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,927
    algarkirk said:

    What is going to become huge is the issue of the relation of POTUS, the government of USA and 'the rule of law' as traditionally understood - ie governments have to obey the law, including obeying court orders, as in the UK.

    This today from the BBC is a useful summary. See what Vance raises:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx3j5k63xo

    A question is going to be - and there are likely to be some massive ground breaking bits of litigation - as the POTUS has recently acquired gigantic immunities from SCOTUS, does this extend to him by fiat being able to break the law (in the conventional sense - eg making an order which looks illegal on its face, whuich he has) and because of his immunities further then require it by fiat to be enforced by the courts.

    Which would be a proper Grade A fascist state.

    No it doesn’t.
    Though, given the conservative justices pretzel logic, they could indeed rule that way. But they might as well just revoke the entire constitution if they do.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564

    I'm on Boris for PM at 32...

    Talk
    @TalkTV

    Julia Hartley-Brewer says she would "vote for Labour" if Boris Johnson led a pact between the Tories and Reform UK.

    "That man steps into 10 Downing Street again over my dead body!"

    @JuliaHB1

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1888915568717103112

    CCHQ won't allow him on the candidates list anyway
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,101

    Adam Brooks AKA EssexPR 🇬🇧
    @EssexPR
    ·
    3h
    🚨 REFORM UK WILL ABOLISH INHERITANCE TAX
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564

    Russia was already a Republic before the October 2017 Revolution that led to the establishment of the USSR.
    For less than a year before the Communists took over
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,959
    Taz said:

    @viewcode Do you reckon we should be trying to drill to, or reach, the core of the earth ?
    Which drilling platform: Dalek (Hartnell), Dalek (Cushing), Doug McClure or The Core?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,710
    EPG said:

    There is no opposition to the Lisbon Treaty on the continent, and very little meaningful opposition to EU membership, for that matter. The EU opponents folded upon proximity to power, or died.

    Brexiteers need to start taking responsibility for their decisions, not blaming bloomin' Ed Davey.
    Where it WAS offered in a referendum it struggled to pass (and ISTR actually failed in places,albeit this was ignored).
    "More Europe" has almost never received an enthusiastic welcome at the ballot box.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564

    And I told you: Your Monarchism makes you a Socialist!
    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,101
    HYUFD said:

    CCHQ won't allow him on the candidates list anyway
    I might still win.

    Who says he has to be a Tory MP to lead a pact??

    Everything is in motion. Many many moving parts.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    Omnium said:

    It may be that only 41% of 18 year olds are British. I'm sure not of course, but the immigration numbers are huge and the birth rate differentials are substantial.

    Nonetheless it'll become tricky to man the floating scrapyards (oh sorry Brown's-carriers) that we have to desperately stop sinking in order to maintain our national pride.
    To be fair 11% say they would fight for their country which is a higher percentage of the population than our in our armed forces even now
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,927
    Nigelb said:

    I'd prefer they'd have been completely abolished, but that's probably not possible owing to current generation capacity constraints.

    If we'd done nuclear quicker, it would be another way we could have saved money.
    Stupid Tories.

    Subsidies halved for controversial Drax power station
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyplj7dkw2o

    Still, the annual savings are not inconsiderable.

    If we’d already built the new nuclear stations, it would save us another half a billion a year in subsidies to Drax.
  • viewcode said:

    Which drilling platform: Dalek (Hartnell), Dalek (Cushing), Doug McClure or The Core?
    Is it an EVIL drilling platform?

    https://austinpowers.fandom.com/wiki/Project_Vulcan
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400
    edited February 10

    With current technology sadly impossible. We can't even get the relatively short distance through the crust.
    Do you know what the story is if you actually just dig a hole and keep digging?

    There are some reasonably obvious early things, but what actually stops you in the end?

    Edit: I don't know.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,744
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Farage has a pretty dim view of young people if he thinks their minds are so easily poisoned.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124


    Adam Brooks AKA EssexPR 🇬🇧
    @EssexPR
    ·
    3h
    🚨 REFORM UK WILL ABOLISH INHERITANCE TAX

    Has Reform appointed a Treasury spokesman yet?
  • HYUFD said:

    No only state control of the economy does, monarchism makes you a Tory
    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,858

    It should be banned from UK airports as they did with Concorde.
    Concorde wasn’t, in the end, banned from airports. It wasn’t allowed to fly supersonically over land. Since its subsonic cruise was hideously inefficient, that blocked it from most routes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    edited February 10

    I’m don’t know Badenoch is being called a “policy wonk”.
    There’s no evidence at all for that.
    At least in terms of how she presents, she comes across as a little dim.

    I also keep hearing she is lazy.
    She certainly achieved nothing at all while holding some key ministries under Sunak.

    The question is when, not if, she goes.

    Yet she is still forecast to make more net gains at the next general election than Hague or Ed Miliband or Foot did when they became LOTO after their party lost power at the subsequent general election and for their to be a hung parliament.

    If she went before the next GE she would only be replaced by Philp or Stride who wouldn't make much difference anyway
  • Concorde wasn’t, in the end, banned from airports. It wasn’t allowed to fly supersonically over land. Since its subsonic cruise was hideously inefficient, that blocked it from most routes.
    Braniff flew Concorde, albeit subsonically, between Washington and Dallas in 1979 and 1980:

    https://www.heritageconcorde.com/braniff-airways-concorde-operations
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307
    Nigelb said:

    I guarantee she votes to confirm.

    @SenatorCollins slams the Trump admin’s NIH cuts as “poorly conceived” and says she has called RFK to “to express my strong opposition to these arbitrary cuts in funding for vital research.” She says he promised to “re-examine this initiative” if confirmed as HHS secretary.
    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1889027156929310800

    Just pitiful stuff from her.

    More 'private assurances' on the way.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,858
    Carnyx said:

    Perhaps Luckyguy is thinking of supersonic flight - not permitted above land.
    Before Concorde entered service, there were some bans.

    In the US this was down to a combination of the start of the modern environmental movement and a reaction against the test flights over US cities that NASA had conducted using military aircraft to see if people found tolerate sonic booms in everyday life.

    The ban on flying from JFK was overturned before it was ready to enter service.
  • Farage has a pretty dim view of young people if he thinks their minds are so easily poisoned.
    Some young people have had their minds poisoned by Radical Right Lunatics.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Britain is a great country.

    But we don't get to be a great country, or remain one, by 'teaching' people that we are great.

    We do it by being great.
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 130
    edited February 10
    HYUFD said:

    For less than a year before the Communists took over
    Five weeks from the end of the monarchy (14 Sep 1917) to the Bolshevik coup (25 Oct). Then five years until the formation of the USSR (Dec 1922).

    BTW you wouldn't call Proudhon a socialist then, because he wasn't for state control of most of the economy?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    edited February 10

    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
    Hereditary principle =Toryism
    State control of the Economy = Socialism
    Pure free market = Capitalism
    Personal and economic freedom = Liberalism
    Traditional Social Values = Conservatism
  • HYUFD said:

    Yet she is still forecast to make more net gains at the next general election than Hague or Ed Miliband or Foot did when they became LOTO after their party lost power at the subsequent general election and for their to be a hung parliament.

    If she went before the next GE she would only be replaced by Philp or Stride who wouldn't make much difference anyway
    Not Jenrick?

    I mean huzzah if that's so, but he's desperate for the job, isn't he?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564

    I might still win.

    Who says he has to be a Tory MP to lead a pact??

    Everything is in motion. Many many moving parts.
    It isn't, Reform have rejected it as have CCHQ
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,200
    viewcode said:

    Which drilling platform: Dalek (Hartnell), Dalek (Cushing), Doug McClure or The Core?
    Professor Stahlman, of course !!

    https://youtu.be/Tk0nRJh6Uyw?si=j5wLzdXiqKGlQpuX
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    viewcode said:

    LeftieStats won me tens of pounds with their predictions regarding Green seats in 2024. So yes, reliable.
    If you had followed my predictions it would have been £000's
  • No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,946


    Adam Brooks AKA EssexPR 🇬🇧
    @EssexPR
    ·
    3h
    🚨 REFORM UK WILL ABOLISH INHERITANCE TAX

    Unfunded tax cuts? Another bunch of economic illiterates.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,728
    edited February 10

    Luxembourg was invaded and occupied by the Nazis, so what's your point?

    The League of Nations, "rules" etc did not prevent that invasion.

    Post WWII Luxembourg was a founding member state of NATO and what has prevented future invasions is that the USA, UK and France have nuclear weapons so nobody dares invade NATO nations anymore.

    They're protected by our deterrence, not rules.

    That proves my point.
    What is NATO, if not a set of rules?

    The point is that membership of a group based on mutual recognition of a set of rules is an alternative to military deterrence for many countries. What, for example, is stopping Germany or France from simply annexing Luxembourg? It's certainly not Luxembourg's military strength.
  • Unfunded tax cuts? Another bunch of economic illiterates.
    REFORM = SOCIALISM?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,350
    Cookie said:

    It wouldbe nice though if we stopped teaching people that we are uniquely awful, racist and shit.
    Most teachers do not.

    Where such attitudes prevail, it is in certain university departments.

    41% of the youngest age cohort being proud of their country does not seem terrible to me. Most of the rest will grow up.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564

    Not Jenrick?

    I mean huzzah if that's so, but he's desperate for the job, isn't he?
    He failed to win either the Tory MPs or membership vote (while Sunak at least had won the MPs vote when he replaced Truss midterm) nor does he hold a front rank top 3 Shadow Cabinet role like Michael Howard as Shadow Chancellor did when he replaced IDS midterm or as Truss held when she replaced Boris or Boris had had when he replaced May ie they had both been Foreign Secretary.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,350

    Hereditary principle =Socialism!
    Jobs for life = Socialism!
    Parades/marchpasts = Socialism!
    There are hereditary “socialist” monarchies in North Korea and Cuba, but generally, the hereditary principle is not socialist
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173

    Farage has a pretty dim view of young people if he thinks their minds are so easily poisoned.
    I'd need to pore over more figures to confirm, but AIUI the age profile of Reform supporters is pretty even. Labour drops off with age, the Tories gain support with age, but Reform has backers spread across all age groups.

    You can understand the appeal for younger voters - it's born of desperation and the near total lack of interest that the established parties have in the young, beyond getting them working for as long as possible and milking their crap pay packets for taxes. Reform makes loud noises about how awful everything is, which is basically the lived experience of most young people, and it hasn't had the opportunity in power to let them down yet.

    It will, of course, let them down if given the chance. There is no reason to suppose that Reform is any less interested in buoyant house prices and gold plated pensions paid for by ever higher levels of wage confiscation than the established parties. But it can reap the benefits of public loathing for said parties for as long as it isn't revealed to be one itself.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    edited February 10
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    Maybe it isn't the schooling, maybe they have eyes to see and ears to here.

    Gaslighting them won't work.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    Sean_F said:

    There are hereditary “socialist” monarchies in North Korea and Cuba, but generally, the hereditary principle is not socialist
    They aren't monarchies either as neither leader is a King
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    Winchy said:

    Five weeks from the end of the monarchy (14 Sep 1917) to the Bolshevik coup (25 Oct). Then five years until the formation of the USSR (Dec 1922).

    BTW you wouldn't call Proudhon a socialist then, because he wasn't for state control of most of the economy?
    As you say Bolsheviks took over by October, Proudhon was an anarchist not a socialist
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,570
    HYUFD said:

    Our education system is broken' says Farage.

    He actually said "our eduction system" is broken...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,927
    Hundreds of millions.

    Feeding frenzy: how army of advisers is making millions from Thames Water
    Court case points to sizeable fees being racked up as firm seeks £3bn loan to try to avoid temporary nationalisation
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/10/how-army-of-advisers-is-making-millions-from-thames-water-loan-court-case

    Just pull the rug, and nationalise it.
  • HYUFD said:

    They aren't monarchies either as neither leader is a King
    But they are monarchies in all but name!

    Monarchy = Socialism!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,350
    HYUFD said:

    They aren't monarchies either as neither leader is a King
    What is in a name? Rome had a Princeps, a Dominus, an Imperator, a Basileus, but never a Rex, after 510 bc.

    But, it was still a monarchy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    Cookie said:

    It wouldbe nice though if we stopped teaching people that we are uniquely awful, racist and shit.
    I don't think any school does that.

    Is it in the National Curriculum? My boys must have missed that bit.
  • HYUFD said:

    As you say Bolsheviks took over by October, Proudhon was an anarchist not a socialist
    November according to the Gregorian calendar!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    pigeon said:

    I'd need to pore over more figures to confirm, but AIUI the age profile of Reform supporters is pretty even. Labour drops off with age, the Tories gain support with age, but Reform has backers spread across all age groups.

    You can understand the appeal for younger voters - it's born of desperation and the near total lack of interest that the established parties have in the young, beyond getting them working for as long as possible and milking their crap pay packets for taxes. Reform makes loud noises about how awful everything is, which is basically the lived experience of most young people, and it hasn't had the opportunity in power to let them down yet.

    It will, of course, let them down if given the chance. There is no reason to suppose that Reform is any less interested in buoyant house prices and gold plated pensions paid for by ever higher levels of wage confiscation than the established parties. But it can reap the benefits of public loathing for said parties for as long as it isn't revealed to be one itself.
    That was the case last year less so now.

    Under Kemi the latest Yougov has the Tories on 20% with 18-24s and 31% with over 65s, an 11% gap.

    Reform though are only on 12% with 18-24s but 29% with over 65s, a 17% gap (albeit Reform do better than the Tories with the middle aged)

    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/VotingIntention_MRP_250203_w.pdf
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,728
    edited February 10
    I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    edited February 10
    Sean_F said:

    What is in a name? Rome had a Princeps, a Dominus, an Imperator, a Basileus, but never a Rex, after 510 bc.

    But, it was still a monarchy.
    It was also a republic and Emperors are really arguably often just leaders of Empires like Napoleon too rather than proper hereditary Kings and Queens
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,144
    HYUFD said:

    'Only 41% of 18-27 year olds are proud to be British. That is down from 80% in 2004.

    Our education system is broken' says Farage. Vows to end poison from universities and ensure young people are taught Britain is a great country if Reform get into power
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1888943931154427910

    He's right. Although the demoralising nature of constant social media use is probably also a factor.
  • Foxy said:

    I don't think any school does that.

    Is it in the National Curriculum? My boys must have missed that bit.
    Perhaps Cookie's kids are privately educated.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564

    But they are monarchies in all but name!

    Monarchy = Socialism!
    No Monarchy =Toryism, State control of the economy = Socialism.

    Otherwise you are saying Tories are socialists
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,946

    No 10 denies dragging king into politics after visit to Cornwall with Starmer and Rayner

    Government says timing of trip to ‘sustainable community’ days before major housing announcement is a coincidence


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/10/no-10-denies-dragging-king-charles-politics-cornwall-keir-starmer

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    edited February 10
    Andy_JS said:

    He's right. Although the demoralising nature of constant social media use is probably also a factor.
    Social media though is increasingly becoming more rightwing than our education system is
  • I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.

    Trump will sign an Executive Order, and we'll be fine :lol:
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,994
    kle4 said:

    H

    A rare breed, because he's awesome.
    So awesome he got booted out by his constituents....in 2010...and failed to get re-elected in 2015.
    Let's not go overboard with the adulation....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,946
    HYUFD said:

    Social media though is increasingly becoming more rightwing than our education system is
    And not in a good way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564

    Whereas Brenda was always a good old one nation Tory and Keith would have voted Reform were he still around, we all had our doubts about where Brian's leftie loyalties lay.*

    * With thanks to Private Eye.
    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,927
    The only way to deal with this shit is to vote Democrat.

    GOP senators terrified of crossing Trump, facing Musk-funded challengers
    https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5133777-elon-musk-threatens-republican-senators/
    .. The White House has signaled that Republicans who thwart Trump’s agenda by voting against his controversial nominees or opposing efforts by Musk to freeze government funding and slash federal agencies, such as the U.S. Agency for International Development, will pay a political price.
    And that’s a threat that carries a lot more weight when Musk, the world’s richest person, could easily pour tens of millions of dollars into a Senate Republican primary.
    Musk warned Republican lawmakers in December that he was compiling a “naughty list” of members who buck Trump’s agenda. He also pledged shortly after Election Day that his political action committee would “play a significant role in primaries” next year….


    Musk has become a genuine megalomaniac.
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 130
    HYUFD said:

    As you say Bolsheviks took over by October, Proudhon was an anarchist not a socialist
    What about Robert Owen? Charles Fourier? And if we are talking about anarchists, then as well as Proudhonian mutualists what about all the anti-state socialists, calling themselves things like libertarian socialist or libertarian communist, e.g. during the Spanish revolution? Were they secretly state-control dudes or perhaps deluding themselves that what did economically - collectives and stuff - was in any serious sense socialist? Because in your view socialism is about the state, right? That's not what they thought.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    HYUFD said:

    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    I don't think any of that true. It's all your fevered imagination.

    The Royals all know that expressing political views would end the Monarchy. They may well be thick but they are not that foolish.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,946
    edited February 10
    Cookie said:

    It wouldbe nice though if we stopped teaching people that we are uniquely awful, racist and shit.
    I note you have a shed full of likes for your post well done.

    Perhaps we should celebrate the good guys from our history like Shakespeare, Wren, Wilberforce, Watt, Boulton, Telford, Brunel, Dunlop, Graham Bell, Gresley, Barnes-Wallace, Churchill, Cockerell, Issigonis, the Beatles, Mary Quant, Norman Foster and Tolkein and frown upon all the bad guys like Colston, Rhodes, Leeds United, Gary Glitter and Jimmy Savile.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    edited February 10
    HYUFD said:

    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    Her Majesty the Queen was (very wisely and rightly) in favour of Brexit, and subtly and without undermining her role in the constitution, let it be known. Sadly her biggest failure was to fail to pass her instincts and wisdom on to her son.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,946
    HYUFD said:

    The Queen Mother was a UKIP supporter allegedly, Philip was not far off Farage either, the Queen a One Nation Tory yes, Diana New Labour, Charles a LD or Green, William and Kate are One Nation Tories and Harry and Meghan Democrats who would be Starmer Labour in the UK
    I was joking. Citations please!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,144
    "Inside Britain's Trump-style mass deportation flights as 19,000 illegal immigrants are kicked out since Labour took power"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14380619/deportation-flights-sending-illegal-immigrants-home.html
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,836
    Nigelb said:

    No it doesn’t.
    Though, given the conservative justices pretzel logic, they could indeed rule that way. But they might as well just revoke the entire constitution if they do.
    Yes. That's what a fascist state looks like. I don't think such moves are impossible. But I don't think they can be hidden.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    edited February 10

    Her Majesty the Queen was (very wisely and rightly) in favour of Brexit, and subtly and without undermining her role in the constitution, let it be known. Sadly her biggest failure was to fail to pass her instincts and wisdom on to her son.
    To be fair to the King as monarch like his mother he doesn't give comments on either side of contentious political arguments
  • Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Inside Britain's Trump-style mass deportation flights as 19,000 illegal immigrants are kicked out since Labour took power"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14380619/deportation-flights-sending-illegal-immigrants-home.html

    Starmer = Britain Trump :lol:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    Foxy said:

    I don't think any of that true. It's all your fevered imagination.

    The Royals all know that expressing political views would end the Monarchy. They may well be thick but they are not that foolish.
    Of course, they can't even vote but in private those are clearly where the best guess of their allegiances lay (and Harry and Meghan are openly anti Trump Democrats)
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564
    Taz said:

    Professor Stahlman, of course !!

    https://youtu.be/Tk0nRJh6Uyw?si=j5wLzdXiqKGlQpuX
    My favourite Pertwee story I think. Though it's up against some stiff competition.
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 130

    Her Majesty the Queen very wisely agreed with me on all things.

    I don't have a citation for that, as the wonderful thing about her was that she was so marvellously discrete in her unwavering support. Rest in peace.

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,564
    Winchy said:

    What about Robert Owen? Charles Fourier? And if we are talking about anarchists, then as well as Proudhonian mutualists what about all the anti-state socialists, calling themselves things like libertarian socialist or libertarian communist, e.g. during the Spanish revolution? Were they secretly state-control dudes or perhaps deluding themselves that what did economically - collectives and stuff - was in any serious sense socialist? Because in your view socialism is about the state, right? That's not what they thought.
    It is, anarchism is more libertarian than socialist
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564

    Starmer = Britain Trump :lol:
    I initially misread that as "Brian Trump" and now I can't unsee it.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,836

    I see the chance of asteroid 2024 YR4 hitting the Earth on 22 December 2032 is now up from around 1% to 2.1%. If it does hit, the resulting explosion would have the power of around 340 times that of the Hiroshima bomb.

    Has this result been Baxtered yet?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,870
    Good to see Reform resisting the temptation to pander to racism.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,946
    BBC1 exposing Labour's rental sector black mould crisis

    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    This shouldn't be happening under a Labour Government. This is disgusting. Starmer get a grip.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,959
    ohnotnow said:

    My favourite Pertwee story I think. Though it's up against some stiff competition.
    Oddly, I have never seen a Liz Shaw episode... :(
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,144
    edited February 10
    These are two of the best articles imo on Queen Elizabeth II, both written by Theodore Dalrymple.

    "A Sense of Duty Unsurpassed
    Queen Elizabeth II’s formidable virtues create a problem for her successor, who cannot be as good as she"

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/a-sense-of-duty-unsurpassed

    "The Queen's Virtues and Ours"

    https://lawliberty.org/the-queens-virtues-and-ours/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,967
    Cookie said:

    Nick Palmer managed to post largely interestingly on here while an MP without making himself or his party look stupid.
    He did keep the more adventurous of his recreational activities under cover until well out of office, however.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,565
    Winchy said:

    Thank goodness she wasn't continuous. But was she discreet?
    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,200
    ohnotnow said:

    My favourite Pertwee story I think. Though it's up against some stiff competition.
    Especially in that season. All sure fire classics and it is my favourite Pertwee as well. I still remember getting a VHS of it around 1986. Marvellous.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,954
    Andy_JS said:

    "Inside Britain's Trump-style mass deportation flights as 19,000 illegal immigrants are kicked out since Labour took power"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14380619/deportation-flights-sending-illegal-immigrants-home.html

    Wow. The Trump reference he could probably do without, but to receive this publicity on this issue in the Mail will be music to Sir Keir's ears. If the Right aren't panicking yet they should be. This is serious tanks-on-lawn stuff.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,539

    BBC1 exposing Labour's rental sector black mould crisis

    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    This shouldn't be happening under a Labour Government. This is disgusting. Starmer get a grip.

    It shouldn't be happening under a Tory Government but their cut the money that went to local councils who then had no choice but to reprioritise the people who checked such things.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,967

    I'm on Boris for PM at 32...

    Talk
    @TalkTV

    Julia Hartley-Brewer says she would "vote for Labour" if Boris Johnson led a pact between the Tories and Reform UK.

    "That man steps into 10 Downing Street again over my dead body!"

    @JuliaHB1

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1888915568717103112

    It’s the only thing I can think of that would make me vote Labour, as well. Tragic as it is to have something in common with JHB.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,224
    algarkirk said:

    This effort from the BBC
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx37ky3gyo

    contains this remarkable short passage, which is really impossible to characterise:

    The inside of our planet is an extremely mysterious place. The core is about 4,000 miles from the Earth's surface and, despite best efforts, scientists have so far been unable to reach it.

    but conveys a sort of innocence - perhaps the attempt is with a spade or a largish digger - which would immediately make sense to my six year old grandson.

    But something about it is mysteriously very funny.

    I saw that earlier while cooking dinner. I can't help thinking the journalist must have watched The Core and taken it as a documentary.

    The only trouble with the drilling option is of course the danger that the drill bit, when it reaches the inner core, having passed easily through the molten material to get there, skewers it like an olive on a cocktail stick, stops the rotation and kills us all :cry:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    HYUFD said:

    Of course, they can't even vote but in private those are clearly where the best guess of their allegiances lay (and Harry and Meghan are openly anti Trump Democrats)
    Your best guesses, depending on how much you like them.

    No grounding in evidence.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564
    HYUFD said:

    Of course, they can't even vote but in private those are clearly where the best guess of their allegiances lay (and Harry and Meghan are openly anti Trump Democrats)
    So the rough logic is :

    * I hold views X
    * I like person Y
    * In private, at a guess, person Y also holds views X
    * ...
    * Numberwang!
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 130
    edited February 10

    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
    You are mixing things up. She was against Scottish independence ("think very carefully") and in favour of Brexit (give me "three good reasons" for staying in the EU).

    But in any case I was only punning on discrete/discreet.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,493

    Wow. The Trump reference he could probably do without, but to receive this publicity on this issue in the Mail will be music to Sir Keir's ears. If the Right aren't panicking yet they should be. This is serious tanks-on-lawn stuff.
    But once Boris is back on the scene, Starmer's Farage tribute act will look irrelevant. The public will be left with a straight choice between the genuine article - Farage - and his nemesis, Boris, the scourge of Putin and champion of liberal values.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,967


    British people are paying private landlords to die in insanitary conditions.

    There are two ways of reading that, one worse than the other.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,284
    a
    Omnium said:

    It may be that only 41% of 18 year olds are British. I'm sure not of course, but the immigration numbers are huge and the birth rate differentials are substantial.

    Nonetheless it'll become tricky to man the floating scrapyards (oh sorry Brown's-carriers) that we have to desperately stop sinking in order to maintain our national pride.
    you think maybe 59% of 18 year olds in Britain aren't British????
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,278

    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
    Wasn’t that Scottish Independence? She didn’t say anything on Brexit that I can recall, there was talk that she had a go at Nick Clegg about the EU once but I’m not sure if that was ever confirmed.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564
    Taz said:

    Especially in that season. All sure fire classics and it is my favourite Pertwee as well. I still remember getting a VHS of it around 1986. Marvellous.
    I tried 'upscaling' one of my original VHS -> divx (yes) files a while back. I gladly went back to the original fuzzy copy. Some things are just better in sketchy 4:3 format.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Selebian said:

    I saw that earlier while cooking dinner. I can't help thinking the journalist must have watched The Core and taken it as a documentary.

    The only trouble with the drilling option is of course the danger that the drill bit, when it reaches the inner core, having passed easily through the molten material to get there, skewers it like an olive on a cocktail stick, stops the rotation and kills us all :cry:
    Anyone of my age will gibber with terror at the thought, having seen The Crack in the World with its sort of inverted spaceship.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PqtOCcCBY
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited February 10

    When she was ambushed about Brexit by a cheeky commoner she said something like 'think long and hard about it'. I'd say that reply favoured the status quo. If she'd pronounced the regal equivalent of jfdi there'd be no doubt where her sentiments lay. Why wouldn't an octogenarian monarch favour the status quo?
    That was Indyref - and Cameron let the cat out of the bag in his getting her to intervene in politics.
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