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  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    geoffw said:

    Nah, I lived through part of the war and those times seemed quite normal to me

    Yikes - seems extraordinary. Or did you seek to normalise the situation in order to cope?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Pagan2 said:

    Err...hamas and israeil disagree....the only two parties actually relevent....the ones that agree dont actually get a say
    They do, as nothing can be agreed without support from the UN Security Council and their neighbours as well
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017

    The Metropolitan Police has declined to investigate Sir Keir Starmer’s in person meeting with his voice coach during Covid lockdown.

    On Wednesday, Kemi Badenoch, the Tory leader, said police should look into whether a visit by Leonie Mellinger to Labour’s London headquarters on Christmas Eve in 2020 had broken any Covid rules.

    But a Met Police spokesman said the force was barred from any investigations of possible Covid breaches that had happened more than three years ago.

    “We can confirm we have received a report,” the spokesman said. “The specific legislation that would be used by police forces dealing with alleged offences during Covid has a three-year deadline for initiating proceedings. As this alleged incident falls outside this timeframe, no action will be taken.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/02/05/badenoch-police-must-probe-starmer-meeting-voice-coach/

    What on earth has this got to do with the Met? Precedence means this is exclusively a matter for BigG and the Durham Police to consider.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,975
    TOPPING said:

    Yikes - seems extraordinary. Or did you seek to normalise the situation in order to cope?
    Tbf, as a toddler I didn't know different

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    geoffw said:

    I confess some admiration for Trump's policy-making: throw the spaghetti at the ceiling and see what sticks. That may be the only way with traditionally intractable problems. Tough on the Gazans, but what could be tougher than what they've been going through as a result of their own government's (Hamas's) depravity?

    I would invite you to revisit this when we see where (if anywhere) it all goes.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    Weird from Met Police. Not going to investigate any potential Covid transgression if it occurred more than three years ago. Have I got that right? Who decided that. Seems bonkers as the beginning of Covid is coming up for its fifth anniversary.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    geoffw said:

    Yvette Cooper's proposal to ban pointy kitchen knives was mooted twenty years ago in the BMJ and supported by chef Anthony Worral Thompson
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm

    She may have a point 'In their original article, the doctors argue that most preparation can be done using a combination of a "blunt, round nose" knife and another which, although sharp, is also short enough (under 5cm) to render it less likely to be lethal if used as a weapon. TV chef Anthony Worrall Thompson agrees, observing that in the Far East, pointed knives are used very rarely and that "for everyday cooking, a square-end or blunt-ended knife is OK".
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008
    Leon said:

    Perhaps that explains the otherwise inexplicable Chagos debacle

    “Quick, do a deal so mind-fuckingly terrible and misguided it distracts from the way we have utterly trashed the economy”

    Like Putin invading Ukraine but with more annoying lawyers
    Look, you haven’t been in the relevant secret security briefings on Chagos, so you haven’t a well informed clue what you are blathering on about on this subject. When the British PM, foreign office, Pentagon, and both Presidents and administrations of Biden and Trump all agree on something and sign it off, what more do you know they all don’t?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400
    Arriving at PB far too late into the conversation, as I always do.

    Streeting is unlikely to be next Labour leader simply because he has Health as a brief. He's doing ok there, but to rise to the leadership from Health requires something outstanding.

    (He's also, in my opinion only, a bit unlikeable)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    Yes, the Telegraph does indeed employ some grotesques.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,975
    kinabalu said:

    I would invite you to revisit this when we see where (if anywhere) it all goes.
    You think the answer is more of the same?

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,973
    This stuff betrays how unserious the Conservative ecosystem has become about actually winning votes from anyone under the age of about 60.

    Taking the piss out of centrists dads is just an extension of doing the same to Millenials. The trouble is this cohort are now an important part of the electorate, and they voted 44:14 Labour:Conservative.

    With Reform eating up the pensioner/WWC vote... what's left?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400

    Did you know that plastic bags can be made into knives? And are, in American prisons and elsewhere.
    You could make a knife out of frozen butter.

    Anything special about the plastic bag ones?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,401
    TOPPING said:

    You just said you don't think Israel should have done nothing so you approve of their response. But not, I assume, the extent of it. Have I got that right?

    If yes, then when, as Israel would you have stopped. Or would you rather the response would have been something else. If so, what?
    Good question, and I'm not chickening out. It's almost impossible situation, given Netenyahu's(?sp) political and legal problems, and Hamas' blindness. I suggest that, if by some miracle, a pause could have been negotiated, as now, those of less ill-will should try to get the hostages out and a cease-fire.
    I would suggest that continuing the Israeli attacks is simply acting as a recruiting agent for the next generation of Hamas fighters.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    Taz said:

    And 100% NIMBY
    And a domestic abuser lest we forget
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,485

    The Metropolitan Police has declined to investigate Sir Keir Starmer’s in person meeting with his voice coach during Covid lockdown.

    On Wednesday, Kemi Badenoch, the Tory leader, said police should look into whether a visit by Leonie Mellinger to Labour’s London headquarters on Christmas Eve in 2020 had broken any Covid rules.

    But a Met Police spokesman said the force was barred from any investigations of possible Covid breaches that had happened more than three years ago.

    “We can confirm we have received a report,” the spokesman said. “The specific legislation that would be used by police forces dealing with alleged offences during Covid has a three-year deadline for initiating proceedings. As this alleged incident falls outside this timeframe, no action will be taken.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/02/05/badenoch-police-must-probe-starmer-meeting-voice-coach/

    Is there any truth in the rumour that she's also been advising him on foreign policy?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,757
    Omnium said:

    Arriving at PB far too late into the conversation, as I always do.

    Streeting is unlikely to be next Labour leader simply because he has Health as a brief. He's doing ok there, but to rise to the leadership from Health requires something outstanding.

    (He's also, in my opinion only, a bit unlikeable)

    He has (like too many politicians) a somewhat unfortunate "backpfeifengesicht" as the Germans might say
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,083
    Omnium said:

    Arriving at PB far too late into the conversation, as I always do.

    Streeting is unlikely to be next Labour leader simply because he has Health as a brief. He's doing ok there, but to rise to the leadership from Health requires something outstanding.

    (He's also, in my opinion only, a bit unlikeable)

    Who was the last Minister of Health to become PM?

    I keep coming up with Neville Chamberlain, who was Minister of Health three times in the 1920s and early 1930s.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400
    ydoethur said:

    Who was the last Minister of Health to become PM?

    I keep coming up with Neville Chamberlain, who was Minister of Health three times in the 1920s and early 1930s.
    Well no idea. However nobody has done it since the NHS was founded.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    HYUFD said:

    She may have a point 'In their original article, the doctors argue that most preparation can be done using a combination of a "blunt, round nose" knife and another which, although sharp, is also short enough (under 5cm) to render it less likely to be lethal if used as a weapon. TV chef Anthony Worrall Thompson agrees, observing that in the Far East, pointed knives are used very rarely and that "for everyday cooking, a square-end or blunt-ended knife is OK".
    As a cook who’s managed to stab myself a couple of times* with the pointy end, I wouldn’t object, either.

    *Unintentionally
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    Omnium said:

    You could make a knife out of frozen butter.

    Anything special about the plastic bag ones?
    They don’t melt at room temp.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    Omnium said:

    Arriving at PB far too late into the conversation, as I always do.

    Streeting is unlikely to be next Labour leader simply because he has Health as a brief. He's doing ok there, but to rise to the leadership from Health requires something outstanding.

    (He's also, in my opinion only, a bit unlikeable)

    I think too far to the Blairite wing of the party. That wouldn't be an issue at the GE, but would be for the leadership contest. I don't think he would get much support from unions or membership and probably not a lot from the MPs either.

    He might be a candidate in the longer term, but not the next contest.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400
    Nigelb said:

    As a cook who’s managed to stab myself a couple of times* with the pointy end, I wouldn’t object, either.

    *Unintentionally
    The way I cook I've tried several times and missed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited February 5
    geoffw said:

    Yvette Cooper's proposal to ban pointy kitchen knives was mooted twenty years ago in the BMJ and supported by chef Anthony Worral Thompson
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm

    All it will achieve is more expensive kitchen knives as production will have to be adapted for those blades destined for UK market compared to rest of the world.

    The Yutt carrying knives down their sweats aren't using mums best vegetable knife to stab each other.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    TOPPING said:

    Without going round in circles (as in embarking on a classic CiF Israel/Palestinian "debate"), do you think that the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza was an attempt to see whether a two state solution could work in practice. Or do you think that Gaza was still a "prison" and resistance showed that the PA or Hamas just needed to keep going to get complete freedom.
    I think when israel was helping rebuild gaza prior to 2006 the palestinian response was to elect hamas....A time when gaza had hope and the palestinians chose fuck you as the answer
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    ydoethur said:

    Who was the last Minister of Health to become PM?

    I keep coming up with Neville Chamberlain, who was Minister of Health three times in the 1920s and early 1930s.
    Correct.

    The NHS kills political careers.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008
    Leon said:

    No, they couldn’t

    After October 7 there is no two state solution. It’s done

    So what’s next? The only world leader offering ANY future to the Palestinians is - irony of ironies - Donald Trump
    For once you are right Leon. Build back better. Hotels, beach resorts and casinos from the river to the sea, it has to be. The biggest best holiday camp, better even than Filey, and the safest and most secure Hotels in the world as no one would wish to target them.

    We are blessed to have a PBer who shares identical thinking with Trump, so can achieve justice and fairness, a win win for all, from even the most impossible situations.

    💋 keep it simple stupid
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    edited February 5

    All it will achieve is more expensive kitchen knives as production will have to be adapted for those blades destined for UK market compared to rest of the world.
    No it won’t.
    Non pointy knives are already quite common.

    But as a policy to reduce violence, it is (forgive the pun) missing the point.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    HYUFD said:

    They do, as nothing can be agreed without support from the UN Security Council and their neighbours as well
    Don't be daft the un security council is a waste of time with no teeth. They are the gumless poodle of world politics nothing they say or do is relevant to anyone. The un would be better abolished as the useless turd it is
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,757
    Foxy said:

    Correct.

    The NHS kills political careers.
    I'll shorten that for you. The NHS kills.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,198
    Nigelb said:

    No it won’t.
    Non pointy knives are already quite common.
    So let’s tackle the symptom but not the cause.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,975
    Nigelb said:

    As a cook who’s managed to stab myself a couple of times* with the pointy end, I wouldn’t object, either.

    *Unintentionally
    After Worral Thompson presented the case on TV I tried very hard and failed to find suitable round-ended kitchen knives. That said, in preparing food it was never the pointy end that drew my own blood. ... Knife skills eh?

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,401

    I'll shorten that for you. The NHS kills.
    Well, it's sorted out two different cancers in me, so that's wrong.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    Nigelb said:

    No it won’t.
    Non pointy knives are already quite common.

    But as a policy to reduce violence, it is (forgive the pun) missing the point.
    You bring in non pointy knives they will use screwdrivers etc which are actually a lot better for stabbing
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008
    ydoethur said:

    Thoughts and prayers for Hyufd.
    You merely have to type his voice coaches name into Google, and you can see her tits. Just saying.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited February 5
    Pagan2 said:

    You bring in non pointy knives they will use screwdrivers etc which are actually a lot better for stabbing
    We don't hear so much about acid attacks these days. Have they fallen in number (along side the rise of stabby stabby), because pre-COVID that seemed to be another popular tactics for gang on gang violence, and impossible to stop as so many household products are available that can be used.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477

    Streeting is about the only star in cabinet.
    Not that he’s necessarily achieved anything yet.

    Darren Jones, David Lammy, and Yvette Cooper have been “OK”.

    Rayner weirdly invisible, probably a good thing.

    Reeves and Phillipson very disappointing. Same as Nandy.

    Miliband is active but dangerous.

    If David Lammy is the benchmark of 'OK' I think that tells us all we need to know.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,005
    Pagan2 said:

    Labour won't elect a woman to be leader, they never have despite many chances what makes you think they wont go for another white middle aged male....people have said the next labour leader will have to be a woman for almost 2 decades.....hasn't happened yet
    Labour have had one leadership election in which there was a female candidate who'd previously held any of the great offices of state or shadowed them - 2015 when the Corbyn wave took hold and di for Yvette Cooper. In the next leadership election there could be two (or more) plus Angela Rayner, who is Deputy Prime Minister.

    For all you say 'they have had plenty of chances', it's not really been true has it - at least in the contests themselves.

    You can argue Labour created that situation by not promoting women to enough high profile roles or allowing those who get there to be torn down by internal and external opponents. But if you look at who the candidates have been, (Beckett in 94, Abbott in 10, Cooper 15, Nandy and RLB 2020) only really Cooper has an argument to say she was the most qualified candidate but overlooked in favour of mediocre men the party liked more.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017

    Is there any truth in the rumour that she's also been advising him on foreign policy?
    I understand once Leon has repeated it ten times, at least half in CAPITALS it becomes true. Even more true, when mixed in with some added insults.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    geoffw said:

    You think the answer is more of the same?
    No, neither do I have a plan. It's way above my paygrade. But I would like to see the US use its leverage in a less frivolous manner. I see little chance of this with the current occupant of the WH.

    But, you know, I might be wrong and perhaps your admiration for him is merited. It'll become clear pretty soon which is which. That's all I meant. Don't get too bedazzled by his shtick. Let's see how things pan out.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,930
    Taz said:

    Red Chicken Run.

    The new MP for Bootle. Wes Streeting PM.

    He'll wrest it from Peter Dowd's cold dead hands.........
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,083

    You merely have to type his voice coaches name into Google, and you can see her tits. Just saying.
    Hyufd has tits?

    They weren't obvious when I knew him at uni...
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,757

    Well, it's sorted out two different cancers in me, so that's wrong.
    I dare say "it" didn't, but teams of individual clinicians did .

    It is time people started seeing the NHS as a bureaucracy rather than an organisation that must never be criticised. It is this deification that causes the institution to believe it is beyond reproach and is a root cause of sloppy processes and lack of best practice.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400

    You merely have to type his voice coaches name into Google, and you can see her tits. Just saying.
    It's not the quiet conservatism I'd imagined for HYUFD, but illuminating.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477

    Almost like the Roman Warm Period now.

    (Ducks as climate scientists throw rocks in my general direction)
    Could have fooled me.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617

    Good question, and I'm not chickening out. It's almost impossible situation, given Netenyahu's(?sp) political and legal problems, and Hamas' blindness. I suggest that, if by some miracle, a pause could have been negotiated, as now, those of less ill-will should try to get the hostages out and a cease-fire.
    I would suggest that continuing the Israeli attacks is simply acting as a recruiting agent for the next generation of Hamas fighters.
    'preciate your response. It was an almost impossible situation. That pause might (might) have come around more quickly had Hamas released the hostages at any time over the past 15+ months. But at the outset Bibi said the mission was to destroy Hamas so maybe not (although global pressure would likely have been difficult to withstand if Hamas released the hostages).

    So the bottom line is, as per your post, the best solution was an I wouldn't have started from here approach. Hamas took the hostages, weren't minded to give them all back at any point (still aren't), and Israel decided to take the war to them.

    No solutions. But you blame Israel for responding to an impossible predicament to the extent that you justify Israeli contestants at Eurovision being harassed and therefore needing protection.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    Nigelb said:

    As a cook who’s managed to stab myself a couple of times* with the pointy end, I wouldn’t object, either.

    *Unintentionally
    You're interested in golf, Nigel, aren't you?

    So you'll have seen that the world #1, Scottie Scheffler, recently injured himself in a kitchen accident and had to miss two tournaments.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400
    ydoethur said:

    Hyufd has tits?

    They weren't obvious when I knew him at uni...
    And where did you study? I'm mainly asking so that I can reinforce my prejudices. Bad answers would include Oxford, and I'm off the bridge if you say Sussex.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    kinabalu said:

    I agree with what you're saying but if Streeting is a standout - ie it's clear he has far more 'it' than anybody else - I think he has a good chance. I wouldn't rule him out on gender grounds, is what I mean, despite it being a minus for him.
    The gender bias is really strong in history. Of the six female candidates, Yvette Cooper and Rebecca Long-Bailey are the only two not to finish last (and they beat two of the others).
  • What on earth has this got to do with the Met? Precedence means this is exclusively a matter for BigG and the Durham Police to consider.
    Nothing to do with me, and note I haven't raised it at anytime until now and only in response to your comment
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222
    BBC Six O'clock News leading with "Trump - WTAF???"
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617

    You merely have to type his voice coaches name into Google, and you can see her tits. Just saying.
    I wonder where the rain in Spain actually does mainly fall.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400
    TOPPING said:

    I wonder where the rain in Spain actually does mainly fall.
    Over 99.9% of it falls in Spain.
  • Live White House briefing now on Sky
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,538

    BBC Six O'clock News leading with "Trump - WTAF???"

    It's a roller coaster ride. Every day I check the news for WTAF Trump has done now. Not sure I can last 4 years of this
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017

    Live White House briefing now on Sky

    Scotland should brace.....cant be long before he launches his takeover bid.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,975
    TOPPING said:

    I wonder where the rain in Spain actually does mainly fall.
    The east coast - in events known as la gota fria c.f. Valencia recently

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,487
    ydoethur said:

    Who was the last Minister of Health to become PM?

    I keep coming up with Neville Chamberlain, who was Minister of Health three times in the 1920s and early 1930s.
    It hasn’t prevented devolved Health Secretaries from being promoted to First Minister. Mark Drakeford, Vaughan Gething, Eluned Morgan, Nicola Sturgeon and Humza Yousaf were all Health Secretaries before being appointed First Minister.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,005
    kinabalu said:

    I agree with what you're saying but if Streeting is a standout - ie it's clear he has far more 'it' than anybody else - I think he has a good chance. I wouldn't rule him out on gender grounds, is what I mean, despite it being a minus for him.
    Possible, but I think you underestimate how much the left and soft left of the party dislike him. It's irrational in my view, but kind of a thing that means it may be tough to win a Labour leadership election in which there are questions over the party's direction. Alternatively, if things are going well and want a steady safe pair of hands as continuity then there will be other options - including women - with the experience to stake a claim.

    Of course he could somehow rescue the NHS and be popular enough with the public he's impossible to ignore - but that doesn't seem overly likely even with an extremely sanguine view of Labour's plans and prospects.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,198

    Did you know that plastic bags can be made into knives? And are, in American prisons and elsewhere.
    Yup. And toothbrushes. Used to watch a few documentaries on YouTube bout US prisons when contracting away from home.

    I believe the prison parlance for these things is a ‘shank’.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    Who is everyone's pick for next Labour leader? I think Yvette Cooper.
  • It hasn’t prevented devolved Health Secretaries from being promoted to First Minister. Mark Drakeford, Vaughan Gething, Eluned Morgan, Nicola Sturgeon and Humza Yousaf were all Health Secretaries before being appointed First Minister.
    And what a mess they all made at being First Minister !!!!
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,198

    The text has been written in such a way that the Telegraph seems to be claiming their gotcha irrespective of any statute of limitations consideration.
    Good. Complete waste of Police time if they looked into it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    Taz said:

    Good. Complete waste of Police time if they looked into it.
    Rubbish. Politicians who were responsible for the abomination of "lockdown rules" or who cheered from the sidelines (ie opposition benches) should be made to pay tenfold for any transgressions.

    Didn't mean it? Welcome to how the rest of us were supposed to live.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,955

    Who is everyone's pick for next Labour leader? I think Yvette Cooper.

    I don't have one. I remember John Moore. I remember Alan Milburn. I remember Michael Heseltine. I remember Sayid Javid. I remember Rory Stewart. I remember not to bet on things I can't get a read on.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    kinabalu said:

    You're interested in golf, Nigel, aren't you?

    So you'll have seen that the world #1, Scottie Scheffler, recently injured himself in a kitchen accident and had to miss two tournaments.
    No.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,744
    edited February 5
    Driver said:

    The gender bias is really strong in history. Of the six female candidates, Yvette Cooper and Rebecca Long-Bailey are the only two not to finish last (and they beat two of the others).
    Yvette Cooper had a really good chance of winning Labour's 2015 leadership election. However, she blew it because her campaign was so safe, dull and lacklustre that members were completely turned off. Same with Andy Burnham in that campaign.
    Hence Corbyn.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    Taz said:



    Good. Complete waste of Police time if they looked into it.
    Difficult to see how else Kemi could have played it though, short of potentially actionable suggestions.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    MJW said:

    Labour have had one leadership election in which there was a female candidate who'd previously held any of the great offices of state or shadowed them - 2015 when the Corbyn wave took hold and di for Yvette Cooper. In the next leadership election there could be two (or more) plus Angela Rayner, who is Deputy Prime Minister.

    For all you say 'they have had plenty of chances', it's not really been true has it - at least in the contests themselves.

    You can argue Labour created that situation by not promoting women to enough high profile roles or allowing those who get there to be torn down by internal and external opponents. But if you look at who the candidates have been, (Beckett in 94, Abbott in 10, Cooper 15, Nandy and RLB 2020) only really Cooper has an argument to say she was the most qualified candidate but overlooked in favour of mediocre men the party liked more.
    Erm the labour party that elected corbyn who had never held any of the great offices of state? Didn't seem an issue then
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    Taz said:

    So let’s tackle the symptom but not the cause.
    Pointy kitchen knives are a symptom?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    Who is everyone's pick for next Labour leader? I think Yvette Cooper.

    What has she ever done except for the shambles that was hips.....why would you want such an asinine person in charge when the only thing she championed was a complete idiocy?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,342
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy481jwjljjo

    I think that Sam Kerr was the author of her own misfortune.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    kinabalu said:

    Pointy kitchen knives are a symptom?
    He means the reason people want to kill each other...if they don't use knives there are a million ways to do it unless you want to ban for example cricket bats too
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,951

    It hasn’t prevented devolved Health Secretaries from being promoted to First Minister. Mark Drakeford, Vaughan Gething, Eluned Morgan, Nicola Sturgeon and Humza Yousaf were all Health Secretaries before being appointed First Minister.
    True, but health secretary is probably the most consequential cabinet position in the devolved admins. More important than finance as they don't have a treasury function.

    At UK level, health is a middling role, well below Chancellor, Foreign and Home, and maybe on a par with Defence and several others.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    Driver said:

    The gender bias is really strong in history. Of the six female candidates, Yvette Cooper and Rebecca Long-Bailey are the only two not to finish last (and they beat two of the others).
    Yep. Same in America. Two strong and viable female candidates for president yet the same male buffoon was preferred to both. Go figure.

    The Tories, to their credit, are a standout on this.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017
    Pagan2 said:

    What has she ever done except for the shambles that was hips.....why would you want such an asinine person in charge when the only thing she championed was a complete idiocy?
    At least when buying a house it meant we had something to rely on. Hips dont lie.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,882

    Scotland should brace.....cant be long before he launches his takeover bid.
    Renamed Golfland.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    Pagan2 said:

    He means the reason people want to kill each other...if they don't use knives there are a million ways to do it unless you want to ban for example cricket bats too
    Oh yes, I see. The "tools" then. We're tackling the tools not the root cause.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    At least when buying a house it meant we had something to rely on. Hips dont lie.
    apart from they were pointless as no bank would trust a survey by the seller so all it did in effect was add costs to the seller
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    Nigelb said:

    No.
    Ah OK. Well he did. Something to do with rolling pasta.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    IFS report on the local council spending settlement for 25/26:

    https://ifs.org.uk/articles/ifs-response-final-english-local-government-finance-settlement
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    kinabalu said:

    Oh yes, I see. The "tools" then. We're tackling the tools not the root cause.
    Correct, its not knives that kill its people....tackle why people want to kill you solve the problem....ban knives all you do is switch them to alternative means
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,044
    Sean_F said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy481jwjljjo

    I think that Sam Kerr was the author of her own misfortune.

    It's hard not to conclude that they were pissed and behaved badly, and seem to be rather surprised that there were consequences to their actions.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017
    Pagan2 said:

    He means the reason people want to kill each other...if they don't use knives there are a million ways to do it unless you want to ban for example cricket bats too
    We could ban cricket bats for foreigners, might give us a squeak in the Ashes.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,044

    We could ban cricket bats for foreigners, might give us a squeak in the Ashes.
    You think we might be able to edge a draw if the Aussies have to bat with their hands? I think that's very optimistic.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,044
    Foxy said:

    Correct.

    The NHS kills political careers.
    Better than killing patients, no?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    We could ban cricket bats for foreigners, might give us a squeak in the Ashes.
    Most people think cricket a minority sport akin to curling....dont think therefore banning bats would be any more popular than banning the brushes they use to polish the ice
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017
    rcs1000 said:

    You think we might be able to edge a draw if the Aussies have to bat with their hands? I think that's very optimistic.
    It probably depends on how many of the England team are Kiwis and Saffers.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,198

    He'll wrest it from Peter Dowd's cold dead hands.........
    Unless it was the ‘recently ennobled Lord Dowd of Bootle’ and there was a vacancy. Happened rather a lot before the last election.😀
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017

    Renamed Golfland.
    Sod it, lets just take advantage of this. Give him St Andrews personally in lieu of payment for Trident for the next 4 years.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    When we ban pointy knives, and it doesn’t work, will we come for the screwdrivers? How will we stop people breaking knives to get a point? What about good old fashioned toothbrush shivs? Will we ban bottles?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    edited February 5
    Pagan2 said:

    What has she ever done except for the shambles that was hips.....why would you want such an asinine person in charge when the only thing she championed was a complete idiocy?
    I don't want her in charge - I think she's the most likely.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    rcs1000 said:

    It's hard not to conclude that they were pissed and behaved badly, and seem to be rather surprised that there were consequences to their actions.
    Chelsea player. All you need to know.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    rcs1000 said:

    Better than killing patients, no?
    The two often go together.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,083
    Omnium said:

    And where did you study? I'm mainly asking so that I can reinforce my prejudices. Bad answers would include Oxford, and I'm off the bridge if you say Sussex.
    The greatest university in the world.

    Of course.

    Aberystwyth.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    Good Lord Sir Kier got his arse handed to him at PMQs. Kemi had a few adrenaliney jitters but overall she had a gaping open goal and slammed it in. The man was an incomprehensible blubbering wreck.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,198
    edited February 5
    Pagan2 said:

    He means the reason people want to kill each other...if they don't use knives there are a million ways to do it unless you want to ban for example cricket bats too
    Quite, people will kill each other if they want to. As Malmesbury points out in prison, where knives are tightly regulated, prisoners make their own. Crims are very resourceful when it comes to exacting whatever retribution they want.

    There is nothing there at all to tackle why it happens and if people think a few youth clubs and ping pong tables are the solution they’re dreaming.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    TOPPING said:

    Yeah we would definitely have come through with the aid of the South Africans.

    It was the US that made the difference and to give the old "yeah buts" is a trifle disingenuous.
    The Allies brought different strengths. The Royal Navy was the largest in the world in 1939. Most ships at D-Day were British. Bomber Command was a DUKE effort. (dominions, U.K. and Empire) and in combo with the USAAF wrecked Germany by 1945. The USA was the industrial powerhouse churning out tanks, ships and planes, but the U.K. produced a decent share of those too. And lastly on men - the US dominated the land war in Europe after the autumn, but many many DUKE soldiers took part.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,485

    At least when buying a house it meant we had something to rely on. Hips dont lie.
    She should replicate it with KIPS. Each knife would come with an information pack about the specific risks associated with it.
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