When do parties lie? – politicalbetting.com
When do parties lie? – politicalbetting.com
Misinformation online has become commonplace. It has fuelled riots and disorder and maybe propelled a few people into office. But is misinformation just a random process, or is it driven by particular actors? Is it seen on both the left and right of politics? Petter Törnberg and Juliana Chueri sought to answer this in a research paper just published in The International Journal of Press/Politics. They analysed 32 million tweets from parliamentarians in 26 different countries (including the UK, US, Ireland, France, Germany, Canada, Australia and Poland) across 6 years. They considered how populist parties were, how left or right-wing, whether in government or opposition, and what broad party family they were in: green (Eco), left, social democratic (SD), liberal (Lib), Christian democratic (CD), conservative (Cons), radical right (RR), agrarian (Agr), ethnic (Eth), or single issue (SI).
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All the time.
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Hm, Tory category not doing too great either. But to be fair the error ranges could mean they are down in the gutter, or up in the angelic choir with the other parties, for all one knows. And the Tories are only one of a number of parties in the mix.0 -
An alternative possibility (from a quick scan of the methods it seems that the data relates to tweets about news stories that have been identified as factually lacking) is the right is more gullible and links to said stories because they believe them.0
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That seems like an overly generous interpretation.turbotubbs said:An alternative possibility (from a quick scan of the methods it seems that the data relates to tweets about news stories that have been identified as factually lacking) is the right is more gullible and links to said stories because they believe them.
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When it becomes serious you have to lie0
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On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.
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It’s also old news - I mentioned this fact on here back in October/November when I first heard about itTheScreamingEagles said:On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.
https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702
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"This is the unvarnished truth" is one of those tells that someone is lying, isn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.
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Like, duh.1
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Accuse the other of that you are guilty.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.
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FPT: sorry but I'm muddled. Surely it's Europhobic to erect tariffs on EU imports?Stark_Dawning said:
Nigel's nightmare must be that Donald calls on the UK to join a US trading block and impose tariffs on the EU. Of course, Donald would see no issues, but that would be an incredibly difficult sell for Nigel. How would he do it without looking like a treasonous convert to Europhilia in his supporters' eyes?kinabalu said:
The big softy is also against the death penalty. He's going to lose his base if he's not careful.Stark_Dawning said:
Elon is, of course, a self-proclaimed 'free-speech absolutist', so it was probably an attempt to drive a wedge between the two men, painting Nigel as a boring old centrist-dad character who doesn't mind a bit of censorship. The public will probably side with Nigel on this, but it'll be interesting to see how Elon responds to such a flagrant repudiation of his credo.kinabalu said:
That's the Jezza 'do you condemn Hamas terrorism?' formulation.Stark_Dawning said:
Hardly sounds like Nigel launched a crusade to have it removed. It's more that he blurted his plea out in panic as a response to an LBC gotcha attempt.Luckyguy1983 said:
The last Musk/Farage news I heard was Farage calling for Musk to take down terrorist material that Axel Rudakubana viewed. That doesn't strike me as fawning.Stark_Dawning said:
And I see Nigel is also fawning over his tormentor, Elon, because 'he kind of makes us look cool'. Are Nigel's political instincts not as sharp as they used to be or has Donald's resurrection shattered his world?TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo if I was Kemi Badenoch I would be flooding the airwaves, social media, and GB News about Farage wanting the UK to take back Shamima Begum because Don told him.
Asked on LBC whether X should take down the video, Farage said: “All terrorist material, of course, should be taken down.”
He added: “If you tell me it’s still there, it should come down. Of course it should.”
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/axel-rudakabuna-nigel-farage-elon-musk-x
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What did he expect when cutting back on court, judges, police and lawyers? Is he a bit simple?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.
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"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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Nvidia down 13%
Apple up slightly.
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Perhaps. But he clearly thinks that voters are a lot simple. OK, many voters are low information - they don't know anything much about things like the criminal justice system. But they also dislike being openly lied to. "20,000 more police officers" as they cut police numbers so much that crime-ridden communities were lucky to see a cop, and "40 new hospitals" when they weren't new and there weren't 40 of them.noneoftheabove said:
What did he expect when cutting back on court, judges, police and lawyers? Is he a bit simple?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.
https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702
When some wazzock Tory stands in front of a new building at the existing hospital saying its a new hospital, or responds to a crime crisis caused by no police by saying 20,000 more, it winds people up.
Jenrick may well be a moron - he gives off that impression. As did so many of the Tory intake of 2019. But even the smart ones repeat the same guff, because they think voters are stupid.0 -
White, clearly of Scottish heritage - so strangely enough the story doesn’t seem to be prominent on X or other social mediaJosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
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Following on from my last post, I can cope with moron MPs saying the stupid. Annoying yes, but understandable that MPs like your Jonathan Gullis don't understand what they are saying.
The dangerous ones are those who know fully well that what they are saying is an absolute lie and yet say it anyway. Why? Because their belief is that a combination of low-information voter plus disinformation media will equal people repeating the lie they've been told as if it is fact. Best still when then get people angry about the other side telling them what to think, and then programming them with what to think.
I despise that kind of politician.1 -
I misread the title of the previous thread as "Is Nigel Farage far right?"
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Amusingly as I have detailed I get regular threatening letters from tv licensing. Selling my fathers flat now he is in a home they wanted not only the poa but two forms of id one of which is a letter or bank statement addressed to me and they were happy to accept a tv licensing threat letter2
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That was not my intention.Sunil_Prasannan said:I misread the title of the previous thread as "Is Nigel Farage far right?"
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The main finding of this study doesn't surprise me, but I'm somewhat flummoxed by the scores for left and particularly "Eco". Yes a lot of what green politicians are putting out there is factual scientific information, almost by definition, but there are also a huge amount of non-sequiturs which are quite often straight out lies. Particularly on the activities of multinational companies. Several European parties that would be in one or other of those categories also have anti-vaxxers, homeopathy fans and anti-semitic conspiracists in their ranks too.
I would have expected the highest scores to be among social democrats, christian democrats and liberals. But maybe they have a higher tendency towards party political spin against their direct rivals.1 -
What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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"I always lie. In fact, I am lying to you now."0
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irn bruOnlyLivingBoy said:
What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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Yes, I think that's right. The problem is it would probably split the Eurosceptic movement: the hard UK Trumpites, who advocate Britain being subsumed into the US, on the one side; the softer 'we hold all the cards / Boris got us a great deal' faction on the other. Which side would Nigel choose? Could be tricky if we have to substitute Monterey Jack for Camembert.Carnyx said:
FPT: sorry but I'm muddled. Surely it's Europhobic to erect tariffs on EU imports?Stark_Dawning said:
Nigel's nightmare must be that Donald calls on the UK to join a US trading block and impose tariffs on the EU. Of course, Donald would see no issues, but that would be an incredibly difficult sell for Nigel. How would he do it without looking like a treasonous convert to Europhilia in his supporters' eyes?kinabalu said:
The big softy is also against the death penalty. He's going to lose his base if he's not careful.Stark_Dawning said:
Elon is, of course, a self-proclaimed 'free-speech absolutist', so it was probably an attempt to drive a wedge between the two men, painting Nigel as a boring old centrist-dad character who doesn't mind a bit of censorship. The public will probably side with Nigel on this, but it'll be interesting to see how Elon responds to such a flagrant repudiation of his credo.kinabalu said:
That's the Jezza 'do you condemn Hamas terrorism?' formulation.Stark_Dawning said:
Hardly sounds like Nigel launched a crusade to have it removed. It's more that he blurted his plea out in panic as a response to an LBC gotcha attempt.Luckyguy1983 said:
The last Musk/Farage news I heard was Farage calling for Musk to take down terrorist material that Axel Rudakubana viewed. That doesn't strike me as fawning.Stark_Dawning said:
And I see Nigel is also fawning over his tormentor, Elon, because 'he kind of makes us look cool'. Are Nigel's political instincts not as sharp as they used to be or has Donald's resurrection shattered his world?TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo if I was Kemi Badenoch I would be flooding the airwaves, social media, and GB News about Farage wanting the UK to take back Shamima Begum because Don told him.
Asked on LBC whether X should take down the video, Farage said: “All terrorist material, of course, should be taken down.”
He added: “If you tell me it’s still there, it should come down. Of course it should.”
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/axel-rudakabuna-nigel-farage-elon-musk-x
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If the populist right have discovered that the more bullshit they spread the better they do, the question is why aren't other parties doing it as much?bondegezou said:
That seems like an overly generous interpretation.turbotubbs said:An alternative possibility (from a quick scan of the methods it seems that the data relates to tweets about news stories that have been identified as factually lacking) is the right is more gullible and links to said stories because they believe them.
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Amen brother.OnlyLivingBoy said:
What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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If the subject wasn't so tragic, that might have been funny. But unfortunately this may be a bit misplaced.OnlyLivingBoy said:
What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
For past experience (in England) I became involved at the periphery of one such case and they are extremely difficult to spot. The guilt from not spotting it will be with me forever.2 -
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What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
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A few down over 10% todayrottenborough said:Nvidia down 13%
Apple up slightly.
Constellation Energy
Arista Networks
NRG Energy
Quanta Services
Broadcom
Eaton
Nvidia
Digital Realty0 -
Interesting research. Haven't read the methods paper but surprised the gap is so small, I would have expected a much wider difference between parties.0
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@TSE I thought this topic was verboten ?JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
Is there a relaxation of the rules ?
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Looks like Hamas and Hezbollah left behind a load of old Soviet heavy weapons, well the Israelis have collected them up and sent them to Ukraine. Thanks Israel!
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Thanks!Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I think that's right. The problem is it would probably split the Eurosceptic movement: the hard UK Trumpites, who advocate Britain being subsumed into the US, on the one side; the softer 'we hold all the cards / Boris got us a great deal' faction on the other. Which side would Nigel choose? Could be tricky if we have to substitute Monterey Jack for Camembert.Carnyx said:
FPT: sorry but I'm muddled. Surely it's Europhobic to erect tariffs on EU imports?Stark_Dawning said:
Nigel's nightmare must be that Donald calls on the UK to join a US trading block and impose tariffs on the EU. Of course, Donald would see no issues, but that would be an incredibly difficult sell for Nigel. How would he do it without looking like a treasonous convert to Europhilia in his supporters' eyes?kinabalu said:
The big softy is also against the death penalty. He's going to lose his base if he's not careful.Stark_Dawning said:
Elon is, of course, a self-proclaimed 'free-speech absolutist', so it was probably an attempt to drive a wedge between the two men, painting Nigel as a boring old centrist-dad character who doesn't mind a bit of censorship. The public will probably side with Nigel on this, but it'll be interesting to see how Elon responds to such a flagrant repudiation of his credo.kinabalu said:
That's the Jezza 'do you condemn Hamas terrorism?' formulation.Stark_Dawning said:
Hardly sounds like Nigel launched a crusade to have it removed. It's more that he blurted his plea out in panic as a response to an LBC gotcha attempt.Luckyguy1983 said:
The last Musk/Farage news I heard was Farage calling for Musk to take down terrorist material that Axel Rudakubana viewed. That doesn't strike me as fawning.Stark_Dawning said:
And I see Nigel is also fawning over his tormentor, Elon, because 'he kind of makes us look cool'. Are Nigel's political instincts not as sharp as they used to be or has Donald's resurrection shattered his world?TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo if I was Kemi Badenoch I would be flooding the airwaves, social media, and GB News about Farage wanting the UK to take back Shamima Begum because Don told him.
Asked on LBC whether X should take down the video, Farage said: “All terrorist material, of course, should be taken down.”
He added: “If you tell me it’s still there, it should come down. Of course it should.”
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/axel-rudakabuna-nigel-farage-elon-musk-x
"I haven't left the far right. The far right have left me."0 -
It's not quite life long sentences but they are subject to orders for life long restriction. That means that they will not be automatically released when they have served their sentence or the appropriate part of it but that an assessment will be made then as to whether they are a danger to the community. If the view is taken that they are then they remain in custody. If they are released they will have substantial reporting and other restrictions. Any breach of those conditions and they return to jail.eek said:
White, clearly of Scottish heritage - so strangely enough the story doesn’t seem to be prominent on X or other social mediaJosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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So this is what it feels like to be collateral damage in the culture warOnlyLivingBoy said:
What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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They actually look like orcs.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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On topic political parties very rarely lie. Apart from everything they say, everything they do and everything they write obvs.4
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There is no relaxation.Taz said:
@TSE I thought this topic was verboten ?JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
Is there a relaxation of the rules ?
Thanks
The topic is still verboten until further notice.1 -
Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.0
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Gold prices over time. Note to teenaged self: buy gold
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I see I have some catching up to do.TheScreamingEagles said:
There is no relaxation.Taz said:
@TSE I thought this topic was verboten ?JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
Is there a relaxation of the rules ?
Thanks
The topic is still verboten until further notice.0 -
This thread header is an interesting contribution to the debate. It would be helpful if the author linked to the source material.1
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Frankly there are too many Scots in England. They usually refuse to adopt the local culture, revelling in weird practices such as men wearing skirts, and eating sheep guts for fun. And they always go on about how great Scotland is, but never, ever, want to live there.OnlyLivingBoy said:
What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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Well if the new AI can run on your phone, and doesn’t need a server farm of thousands of GPUs..?rottenborough said:Nvidia down 13%
Apple up slightly.0 -
First ever direct aid to Ukraine by Israel?Sandpit said:Looks like Hamas and Hezbollah left behind a load of old Soviet heavy weapons, well the Israelis have collected them up and sent them to Ukraine. Thanks Israel!
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You'd be lucky with half a day. The cost of getting a roof fixed on a tenement is eye watering - not designed for an easy fix. Apparently new builds are much better for this.Sandpit said:
You can probably buy the drone for the price of getting a couple of workers with scaffolding on site for half a day.Eabhal said:Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.
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There's a linky there - the words "research paper".Luckyguy1983 said:This thread header is an interesting contribution to the debate. It would be helpful if the author linked to the source material.
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I suspect few of us look our best in police mug shots but I'm starting to wonder if AI couldn't learn to pick out wrong 'uns just from their obviously guilty faces.Sean_F said:
They actually look like orcs.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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Out of impure curiosity, how do the two authors categorize themselves, politically?1
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Think so, yes. They’ve had a few of their own local problems over the past couple of years.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First ever direct aid to Ukraine by Israel?Sandpit said:Looks like Hamas and Hezbollah left behind a load of old Soviet heavy weapons, well the Israelis have collected them up and sent them to Ukraine. Thanks Israel!
https://x.com/20gimsack/status/18834975228130922120 -
Note to Gordon Brown. Fecking idiot.viewcode said:Gold prices over time. Note to teenaged self: buy gold
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He did. But here it is again https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/epub/10.1177/19401612241311886Luckyguy1983 said:This thread header is an interesting contribution to the debate. It would be helpful if the author linked to the source material.
(see the words "research paper" in the phrase "Petter Törnberg and Juliana Chueri sought to answer this in a research paper..."? Click on that.)0 -
Ditto, for m-i-l's house (neighbour had a drone so it was free).Foss said:
Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easierEabhal said:Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.
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There are no sure fire certainties in tech. Things move so quickly. When you incentivise a country with huge financial and people resources to look for answers to fundamental problems, you get companies like DeepSeek. It's one reason why tariffs and sanctions can be so counter-productive - they just lead to workarounds that leave your own businesses flatfooted and at a disadvantage.Taz said:
A few down over 10% todayrottenborough said:Nvidia down 13%
Apple up slightly.
Constellation Energy
Arista Networks
NRG Energy
Quanta Services
Broadcom
Eaton
Nvidia
Digital Realty
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Hope you're well and in a good place.DougSeal said:
I see I have some catching up to do.TheScreamingEagles said:
There is no relaxation.Taz said:
@TSE I thought this topic was verboten ?JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
Is there a relaxation of the rules ?
Thanks
The topic is still verboten until further notice.2 -
Ah "fact checkers", those paragons of virtue that no one can question. Why am I not surprised that the commissar supports these numpties.1
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And how come the last one got to wear his hoodie and Covid mask?turbotubbs said:
I suspect few of us look our best in police mug shots but I'm starting to wonder if AI couldn't learn to pick out wrong 'uns just from their obviously guilty faces.Sean_F said:
They actually look like orcs.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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Ethical standards?kamski said:
If the populist right have discovered that the more bullshit they spread the better they do, the question is why aren't other parties doing it as much?bondegezou said:
That seems like an overly generous interpretation.turbotubbs said:An alternative possibility (from a quick scan of the methods it seems that the data relates to tweets about news stories that have been identified as factually lacking) is the right is more gullible and links to said stories because they believe them.
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Apols.TheScreamingEagles said:
There is no relaxation.Taz said:
@TSE I thought this topic was verboten ?JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
Is there a relaxation of the rules ?
Thanks
The topic is still verboten until further notice.0 -
Off Topic
Watching this week's silent witness on iPlayer. Really good, catch it if you can...
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Academics, so will almost certainly lean left or centrist. Not likely big Trump fans.Jim_Miller said:Out of impure curiosity, how do the two authors categorize themselves, politically?
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And then you have the solar panel installers employing GIS analysts + drone operators to provide bespoke projections to homeowners.Foss said:
Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easierEabhal said:Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.
It's stuff like this that makes me very sceptical of the flat productivity figures.1 -
...Stark_Dawning said:
And how come the last one got to wear his hoodie and Covid mask?turbotubbs said:
I suspect few of us look our best in police mug shots but I'm starting to wonder if AI couldn't learn to pick out wrong 'uns just from their obviously guilty faces.Sean_F said:
They actually look like orcs.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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Are you suggesting that not all the problems in the criminal justice system are due to the new Labour administration?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.
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And same for a solar PV company doing us a quote for rooftop panels. A obvious thing to do in hindsight but I was still surprised and impressed when they got the drone out.Carnyx said:
Ditto, for m-i-l's house (neighbour had a drone so it was free).Foss said:
Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easierEabhal said:Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.
I got a small drone for Christmas about 5 years ago. It was so rubbish I couldn't even manage to keep it in the same field on a breezy day, and the photos were terrible. Put me off drones for years. Now I'm wishing I'd just got a more expensive one to start with.2 -
She was the only one pictured who was found not guilty of the more heinous offences, "only" of assault, so it's possible that Police Scotland didn't release her mugshot. She'd kept her nose clean for 12-months so got an admonishment. I'm guessing it was something to do with her safety.Stark_Dawning said:
And how come the last one got to wear his hoodie and Covid mask?turbotubbs said:
I suspect few of us look our best in police mug shots but I'm starting to wonder if AI couldn't learn to pick out wrong 'uns just from their obviously guilty faces.Sean_F said:
They actually look like orcs.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
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Jenrick. He's got soul but he's not a soldier.rcs1000 said:
Are you suggesting that not all the problems in the criminal justice system are due to the new Labour administration?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/27/vw-prepared-to-hand-factories-to-chinese-electric-car-maker/
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The light drones (<250g) have less regs around them. But they do get blown around more.TimS said:
And same for a solar PV company doing us a quote for rooftop panels. A obvious thing to do in hindsight but I was still surprised and impressed when they got the drone out.Carnyx said:
Ditto, for m-i-l's house (neighbour had a drone so it was free).Foss said:
Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easierEabhal said:Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.
I got a small drone for Christmas about 5 years ago. It was so rubbish I couldn't even manage to keep it in the same field on a breezy day, and the photos were terrible. Put me off drones for years. Now I'm wishing I'd just got a more expensive one to start with.0 -
"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-38310720 -
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It’s a bit problematic - they selected the politicians by who used Twitter so not weighted, didn’t look at other social media and the data is latest 2020.MaxPB said:Ah "fact checkers", those paragons of virtue that no one can question. Why am I not surprised that the commissar supports these numpties.
It’s also a bit misleading the claim that they analysed 32million tweets where in the paper they say they drew on a database of 32m tweets to search URLs which is a bit different.
The research checked these URLs against other databases for “fake news” but doesn’t analyse if the tweets without attachments or links contained misinformation.
Not saying their conclusions don’t match reality but using a study to show misinformation from a particular political wing which could be misinformative is
interesting.
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The authors declare no conflicts of interest. Beyond that, in research, we let the methods speak for themselves. There’s an additional online appendix at https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/suppl/10.1177/19401612241311886/suppl_file/sj-docx-1-hij-10.1177_19401612241311886.docxJim_Miller said:Out of impure curiosity, how do the two authors categorize themselves, politically?
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Look, I give Starmer until this July.rcs1000 said:
Are you suggesting that not all the problems in the criminal justice system are due to the new Labour administration?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.
https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702
The solution is easy, as with most things, he needs to hire more (well remunerated) lawyers to fix the problems.0 -
The Prosecution Fallacy.OnlyLivingBoy said:
What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
If you prosecute a crime lots, then it will appear you have lots of that crime.
Since @DavidL is prosecuting away like crazy…1 -
Remember Delilah getting cancelled a couple of years back.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-38310720 -
It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-38310724 -
UK neo-Nazi groups 'really excited' by Elon Musk salute
https://archive.is/2025.01.26-092330/https://www.thenational.scot/news/24884108.uk-neo-nazi-groups-really-excited-elon-musk-salute/0 -
The catchiest song about domestic knife crime ever written.Pulpstar said:
Remember Delilah getting cancelled a couple of years back.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-38310720 -
One of Netflix’s most popular shows amongst women was “You” about a stalker. The song doesn’t glorify stalking.DougSeal said:
It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072
Humans can often work out for themselves if they should stalk people because Sting sang about a stalker or if they shouldn’t - I was stalked by a woman and would hazard she didn’t do it because of a song.0 -
The Stones "Under My Thumb" has been considered problematic too.Pulpstar said:
Remember Delilah getting cancelled a couple of years back.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-38310720 -
Yes the trick is to buy a decent one that’s 250g, something like DJI Mini. ($300)Foss said:
The light drones (250g) have less regs around them. But they do get blown around more.TimS said:
And same for a solar PV company doing us a quote for rooftop panels. A obvious thing to do in hindsight but I was still surprised and impressed when they got the drone out.Carnyx said:
Ditto, for m-i-l's house (neighbour had a drone so it was free).Foss said:
Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easierEabhal said:Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.
I got a small drone for Christmas about 5 years ago. It was so rubbish I couldn't even manage to keep it in the same field on a breezy day, and the photos were terrible. Put me off drones for years. Now I'm wishing I'd just got a more expensive one to start with.
https://store.dji.com/product/dji-mini-4k?from=store_homepage&vid=166281
The toy ones are uncontrollable outside on anything other than a dead calm day, and the heavier ones require formal training and licensing for commercial use.0 -
I don't understand why Sting is so defensive about the lyrics. They're what make it such a powerful song. Writing creepy lyrics like that doesn't mean he's a stalker anymore than Bruce Dickinson actually wants to send his daughter to the slaughter or Jenrick-lookalike Brandon Flowers wants to murder his girlfriend in Midnight Show.DougSeal said:
It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-38310721 -
So many paedos look like caricatures of paedos. People of obviously low intelligence, hideously ugly, and devoid of morals.turbotubbs said:
I suspect few of us look our best in police mug shots but I'm starting to wonder if AI couldn't learn to pick out wrong 'uns just from their obviously guilty faces.Sean_F said:
They actually look like orcs.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o0 -
We have watched the first one, with the old people's home, which was okay and half way through the second one so far. We will get to it soon.Daveyboy1961 said:Off Topic
Watching this week's silent witness on iPlayer. Really good, catch it if you can...0 -
There’s a very fine line between stalking and being romantic.boulay said:
One of Netflix’s most popular shows amongst women was “You” about a stalker. The song doesn’t glorify stalking.DougSeal said:
It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072
Humans can often work out for themselves if they should stalk people because Sting sang about a stalker or if they shouldn’t - I was stalked by a woman and would hazard she didn’t do it because of a song.0 -
It could have been How Far is Farage Right ?TheScreamingEagles said:
That was not my intention.Sunil_Prasannan said:I misread the title of the previous thread as "Is Nigel Farage far right?"
I would never use headlines that could be considered clickbait.0 -
"I don't believe it. I don't believe it! You're here to defend me against these characters, and the only one on my side is the bloodsucking lawyer!"TheScreamingEagles said:
Look, I give Starmer until this July.rcs1000 said:
Are you suggesting that not all the problems in the criminal justice system are due to the new Labour administration?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.
https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702
The solution is easy, as with most things, he needs to hire more (well remunerated) lawyers to fix the problems.0 -
Innocent me thought it was all about democratic scrutiny...DougSeal said:
It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-38310720 -
Sure. But the people who do Rock Choir, of whom my mother is one, may baulk at singing "I'll be watching you" at the end of every song. Either way its up to them what they include in their repertoire. Radiohead don't play anything off Pablo Honey anymore, which is a far bigger crime against music that passes without comment. Double standards everywhere.boulay said:
One of Netflix’s most popular shows amongst women was “You” about a stalker. The song doesn’t glorify stalking.DougSeal said:
It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072
Humans can often work out for themselves if they should stalk people because Sting sang about a stalker or if they shouldn’t - I was stalked by a woman and would hazard she didn’t do it because of a song.1 -
I was also stalked by a woman. Mercifully briefly, and she backed off when I laid down the law. But it was unnerving while it happened.boulay said:
One of Netflix’s most popular shows amongst women was “You” about a stalker. The song doesn’t glorify stalking.DougSeal said:
It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072
Humans can often work out for themselves if they should stalk people because Sting sang about a stalker or if they shouldn’t - I was stalked by a woman and would hazard she didn’t do it because of a song.0 -
It’s the flowers isn’t it. Heads on, romance, heads off, problems.TheScreamingEagles said:
There’s a very fine line between stalking and being romantic.boulay said:
One of Netflix’s most popular shows amongst women was “You” about a stalker. The song doesn’t glorify stalking.DougSeal said:
It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072
Humans can often work out for themselves if they should stalk people because Sting sang about a stalker or if they shouldn’t - I was stalked by a woman and would hazard she didn’t do it because of a song.1 -
You may be right. I often miss the subtext.Nigelb said:
Innocent me thought it was all about democratic scrutiny...DougSeal said:
It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-38310720 -
A song more famous among the younger generations for being covered by the artist formerly known as Diddy.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-38310720 -
The Mini is a nice drone - but the US has been talking about banning DJI and, if they do so, one has to wonder how long their western business has to live.Sandpit said:
Yes the trick is to buy a decent one that’s 250g, something like DJI Mini. ($300)Foss said:
The light drones (250g) have less regs around them. But they do get blown around more.TimS said:
And same for a solar PV company doing us a quote for rooftop panels. A obvious thing to do in hindsight but I was still surprised and impressed when they got the drone out.Carnyx said:
Ditto, for m-i-l's house (neighbour had a drone so it was free).Foss said:
Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easierEabhal said:Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.
I got a small drone for Christmas about 5 years ago. It was so rubbish I couldn't even manage to keep it in the same field on a breezy day, and the photos were terrible. Put me off drones for years. Now I'm wishing I'd just got a more expensive one to start with.
https://store.dji.com/product/dji-mini-4k?from=store_homepage&vid=166281
The toy ones are uncontrollable outside on anything other than a dead calm day, and the heavier ones require formal training and licensing for commercial use.1 -
Please don't defame orcs.Sean_F said:
They actually look like orcs.JosiasJessop said:"The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o1 -
There was an urban myth he wrote it about his first wife as they were divorcing at the time but that is not on any official account.Nigelb said:
Innocent me thought it was all about democratic scrutiny...DougSeal said:
It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.Andy_JS said:"Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."
https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072
He moved onto another actress, Trudy Styler, and got into Tantric Love with 6 hour lovemaking sessions and the like. Takes all sorts i guess.0
