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When do parties lie? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,320
edited February 18 in General
imageWhen do parties lie? – politicalbetting.com

Misinformation online has become commonplace. It has fuelled riots and disorder and maybe propelled a few people into office. But is misinformation just a random process, or is it driven by particular actors? Is it seen on both the left and right of politics? Petter Törnberg and Juliana Chueri sought to answer this in a research paper just published in The International Journal of Press/Politics. They analysed 32 million tweets from parliamentarians in 26 different countries (including the UK, US, Ireland, France, Germany, Canada, Australia and Poland) across 6 years. They considered how populist parties were, how left or right-wing, whether in government or opposition, and what broad party family they were in: green (Eco), left, social democratic (SD), liberal (Lib), Christian democratic (CD), conservative (Cons), radical right (RR), agrarian (Agr), ethnic (Eth), or single issue (SI).

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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,091
    All the time.

    And first
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,745
    First
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,398
    edited January 27
    ... third.

    Hm, Tory category not doing too great either. But to be fair the error ranges could mean they are down in the gutter, or up in the angelic choir with the other parties, for all one knows. And the Tories are only one of a number of parties in the mix.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,091
    An alternative possibility (from a quick scan of the methods it seems that the data relates to tweets about news stories that have been identified as factually lacking) is the right is more gullible and links to said stories because they believe them.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,745
    turbotubbs said:

    An alternative possibility (from a quick scan of the methods it seems that the data relates to tweets about news stories that have been identified as factually lacking) is the right is more gullible and links to said stories because they believe them.

    That seems like an overly generous interpretation.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,829
    When it becomes serious you have to lie
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,001
    On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.



    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702
  • eekeek Posts: 29,139
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.



    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702

    It’s also old news - I mentioned this fact on here back in October/November when I first heard about it
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,943
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.



    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702

    "This is the unvarnished truth" is one of those tells that someone is lying, isn't it?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,130
    Like, duh.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,829
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.



    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702

    Accuse the other of that you are guilty.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,398
    Stark_Dawning said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anyhoo if I was Kemi Badenoch I would be flooding the airwaves, social media, and GB News about Farage wanting the UK to take back Shamima Begum because Don told him.

    And I see Nigel is also fawning over his tormentor, Elon, because 'he kind of makes us look cool'. Are Nigel's political instincts not as sharp as they used to be or has Donald's resurrection shattered his world?
    The last Musk/Farage news I heard was Farage calling for Musk to take down terrorist material that Axel Rudakubana viewed. That doesn't strike me as fawning.
    Hardly sounds like Nigel launched a crusade to have it removed. It's more that he blurted his plea out in panic as a response to an LBC gotcha attempt.

    Asked on LBC whether X should take down the video, Farage said: “All terrorist material, of course, should be taken down.”

    He added: “If you tell me it’s still there, it should come down. Of course it should.”

    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/axel-rudakabuna-nigel-farage-elon-musk-x
    That's the Jezza 'do you condemn Hamas terrorism?' formulation.
    Elon is, of course, a self-proclaimed 'free-speech absolutist', so it was probably an attempt to drive a wedge between the two men, painting Nigel as a boring old centrist-dad character who doesn't mind a bit of censorship. The public will probably side with Nigel on this, but it'll be interesting to see how Elon responds to such a flagrant repudiation of his credo.
    The big softy is also against the death penalty. He's going to lose his base if he's not careful.

    "I haven't left the far right. The far right have left me."
    Nigel's nightmare must be that Donald calls on the UK to join a US trading block and impose tariffs on the EU. Of course, Donald would see no issues, but that would be an incredibly difficult sell for Nigel. How would he do it without looking like a treasonous convert to Europhilia in his supporters' eyes?
    FPT: sorry but I'm muddled. Surely it's Europhobic to erect tariffs on EU imports?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,708
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.



    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702

    What did he expect when cutting back on court, judges, police and lawyers? Is he a bit simple?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,613
    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,223
    Nvidia down 13%

    Apple up slightly.

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,313
    noneoftheabove said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.



    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702

    What did he expect when cutting back on court, judges, police and lawyers? Is he a bit simple?
    Perhaps. But he clearly thinks that voters are a lot simple. OK, many voters are low information - they don't know anything much about things like the criminal justice system. But they also dislike being openly lied to. "20,000 more police officers" as they cut police numbers so much that crime-ridden communities were lucky to see a cop, and "40 new hospitals" when they weren't new and there weren't 40 of them.

    When some wazzock Tory stands in front of a new building at the existing hospital saying its a new hospital, or responds to a crime crisis caused by no police by saying 20,000 more, it winds people up.

    Jenrick may well be a moron - he gives off that impression. As did so many of the Tory intake of 2019. But even the smart ones repeat the same guff, because they think voters are stupid.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,139
    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    White, clearly of Scottish heritage - so strangely enough the story doesn’t seem to be prominent on X or other social media
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,313
    Following on from my last post, I can cope with moron MPs saying the stupid. Annoying yes, but understandable that MPs like your Jonathan Gullis don't understand what they are saying.

    The dangerous ones are those who know fully well that what they are saying is an absolute lie and yet say it anyway. Why? Because their belief is that a combination of low-information voter plus disinformation media will equal people repeating the lie they've been told as if it is fact. Best still when then get people angry about the other side telling them what to think, and then programming them with what to think.

    I despise that kind of politician.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,911
    I misread the title of the previous thread as "Is Nigel Farage far right?" :lol:
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,359
    Amusingly as I have detailed I get regular threatening letters from tv licensing. Selling my fathers flat now he is in a home they wanted not only the poa but two forms of id one of which is a letter or bank statement addressed to me and they were happy to accept a tv licensing threat letter
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,001
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    I misread the title of the previous thread as "Is Nigel Farage far right?" :lol:

    That was not my intention.

    I would never use headlines that could be considered clickbait.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,086
    The main finding of this study doesn't surprise me, but I'm somewhat flummoxed by the scores for left and particularly "Eco". Yes a lot of what green politicians are putting out there is factual scientific information, almost by definition, but there are also a huge amount of non-sequiturs which are quite often straight out lies. Particularly on the activities of multinational companies. Several European parties that would be in one or other of those categories also have anti-vaxxers, homeopathy fans and anti-semitic conspiracists in their ranks too.

    I would have expected the highest scores to be among social democrats, christian democrats and liberals. But maybe they have a higher tendency towards party political spin against their direct rivals.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,130
    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,911
    "I always lie. In fact, I am lying to you now."
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,359
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.
    irn bru
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,868
    Carnyx said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anyhoo if I was Kemi Badenoch I would be flooding the airwaves, social media, and GB News about Farage wanting the UK to take back Shamima Begum because Don told him.

    And I see Nigel is also fawning over his tormentor, Elon, because 'he kind of makes us look cool'. Are Nigel's political instincts not as sharp as they used to be or has Donald's resurrection shattered his world?
    The last Musk/Farage news I heard was Farage calling for Musk to take down terrorist material that Axel Rudakubana viewed. That doesn't strike me as fawning.
    Hardly sounds like Nigel launched a crusade to have it removed. It's more that he blurted his plea out in panic as a response to an LBC gotcha attempt.

    Asked on LBC whether X should take down the video, Farage said: “All terrorist material, of course, should be taken down.”

    He added: “If you tell me it’s still there, it should come down. Of course it should.”

    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/axel-rudakabuna-nigel-farage-elon-musk-x
    That's the Jezza 'do you condemn Hamas terrorism?' formulation.
    Elon is, of course, a self-proclaimed 'free-speech absolutist', so it was probably an attempt to drive a wedge between the two men, painting Nigel as a boring old centrist-dad character who doesn't mind a bit of censorship. The public will probably side with Nigel on this, but it'll be interesting to see how Elon responds to such a flagrant repudiation of his credo.
    The big softy is also against the death penalty. He's going to lose his base if he's not careful.

    "I haven't left the far right. The far right have left me."
    Nigel's nightmare must be that Donald calls on the UK to join a US trading block and impose tariffs on the EU. Of course, Donald would see no issues, but that would be an incredibly difficult sell for Nigel. How would he do it without looking like a treasonous convert to Europhilia in his supporters' eyes?
    FPT: sorry but I'm muddled. Surely it's Europhobic to erect tariffs on EU imports?
    Yes, I think that's right. The problem is it would probably split the Eurosceptic movement: the hard UK Trumpites, who advocate Britain being subsumed into the US, on the one side; the softer 'we hold all the cards / Boris got us a great deal' faction on the other. Which side would Nigel choose? Could be tricky if we have to substitute Monterey Jack for Camembert.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,835
    bondegezou said:

    turbotubbs said:

    An alternative possibility (from a quick scan of the methods it seems that the data relates to tweets about news stories that have been identified as factually lacking) is the right is more gullible and links to said stories because they believe them.

    That seems like an overly generous interpretation.
    If the populist right have discovered that the more bullshit they spread the better they do, the question is why aren't other parties doing it as much?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,353
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.
    Amen brother.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 390
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.
    If the subject wasn't so tragic, that might have been funny. But unfortunately this may be a bit misplaced.

    For past experience (in England) I became involved at the periphery of one such case and they are extremely difficult to spot. The guilt from not spotting it will be with me forever.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,125
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.
    ..

  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    rottenborough said:

    Nvidia down 13%

    Apple up slightly.

    A few down over 10% today

    Constellation Energy
    Arista Networks
    NRG Energy
    Quanta Services
    Broadcom
    Eaton
    Nvidia
    Digital Realty
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,505
    Interesting research. Haven't read the methods paper but surprised the gap is so small, I would have expected a much wider difference between parties.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    @TSE I thought this topic was verboten ?

    Is there a relaxation of the rules ?

    Thanks
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Looks like Hamas and Hezbollah left behind a load of old Soviet heavy weapons, well the Israelis have collected them up and sent them to Ukraine. Thanks Israel!

    https://x.com/20gimsack/status/1883497522813092212
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,398
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Carnyx said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anyhoo if I was Kemi Badenoch I would be flooding the airwaves, social media, and GB News about Farage wanting the UK to take back Shamima Begum because Don told him.

    And I see Nigel is also fawning over his tormentor, Elon, because 'he kind of makes us look cool'. Are Nigel's political instincts not as sharp as they used to be or has Donald's resurrection shattered his world?
    The last Musk/Farage news I heard was Farage calling for Musk to take down terrorist material that Axel Rudakubana viewed. That doesn't strike me as fawning.
    Hardly sounds like Nigel launched a crusade to have it removed. It's more that he blurted his plea out in panic as a response to an LBC gotcha attempt.

    Asked on LBC whether X should take down the video, Farage said: “All terrorist material, of course, should be taken down.”

    He added: “If you tell me it’s still there, it should come down. Of course it should.”

    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/axel-rudakabuna-nigel-farage-elon-musk-x
    That's the Jezza 'do you condemn Hamas terrorism?' formulation.
    Elon is, of course, a self-proclaimed 'free-speech absolutist', so it was probably an attempt to drive a wedge between the two men, painting Nigel as a boring old centrist-dad character who doesn't mind a bit of censorship. The public will probably side with Nigel on this, but it'll be interesting to see how Elon responds to such a flagrant repudiation of his credo.
    The big softy is also against the death penalty. He's going to lose his base if he's not careful.

    "I haven't left the far right. The far right have left me."
    Nigel's nightmare must be that Donald calls on the UK to join a US trading block and impose tariffs on the EU. Of course, Donald would see no issues, but that would be an incredibly difficult sell for Nigel. How would he do it without looking like a treasonous convert to Europhilia in his supporters' eyes?
    FPT: sorry but I'm muddled. Surely it's Europhobic to erect tariffs on EU imports?
    Yes, I think that's right. The problem is it would probably split the Eurosceptic movement: the hard UK Trumpites, who advocate Britain being subsumed into the US, on the one side; the softer 'we hold all the cards / Boris got us a great deal' faction on the other. Which side would Nigel choose? Could be tricky if we have to substitute Monterey Jack for Camembert.
    Thanks!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,533
    eek said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    White, clearly of Scottish heritage - so strangely enough the story doesn’t seem to be prominent on X or other social media
    It's not quite life long sentences but they are subject to orders for life long restriction. That means that they will not be automatically released when they have served their sentence or the appropriate part of it but that an assessment will be made then as to whether they are a danger to the community. If the view is taken that they are then they remain in custody. If they are released they will have substantial reporting and other restrictions. Any breach of those conditions and they return to jail.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,541
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.
    So this is what it feels like to be collateral damage in the culture war
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,085
    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    They actually look like orcs.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,533
    On topic political parties very rarely lie. Apart from everything they say, everything they do and everything they write obvs.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,001
    Taz said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    @TSE I thought this topic was verboten ?

    Is there a relaxation of the rules ?

    Thanks
    There is no relaxation.

    The topic is still verboten until further notice.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,541
    edited January 27
    Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,438
    Gold prices over time. Note to teenaged self: buy gold

    https://www.chards.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,612
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    @TSE I thought this topic was verboten ?

    Is there a relaxation of the rules ?

    Thanks
    There is no relaxation.

    The topic is still verboten until further notice.
    I see I have some catching up to do.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Eabhal said:

    Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.

    You can probably buy the drone for the price of getting a couple of workers with scaffolding on site for half a day.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,806
    This thread header is an interesting contribution to the debate. It would be helpful if the author linked to the source material.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,091
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.
    Frankly there are too many Scots in England. They usually refuse to adopt the local culture, revelling in weird practices such as men wearing skirts, and eating sheep guts for fun. And they always go on about how great Scotland is, but never, ever, want to live there.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    rottenborough said:

    Nvidia down 13%

    Apple up slightly.

    Well if the new AI can run on your phone, and doesn’t need a server farm of thousands of GPUs..?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,911
    Sandpit said:

    Looks like Hamas and Hezbollah left behind a load of old Soviet heavy weapons, well the Israelis have collected them up and sent them to Ukraine. Thanks Israel!

    https://x.com/20gimsack/status/1883497522813092212

    First ever direct aid to Ukraine by Israel?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,541
    edited January 27
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.

    You can probably buy the drone for the price of getting a couple of workers with scaffolding on site for half a day.
    You'd be lucky with half a day. The cost of getting a roof fixed on a tenement is eye watering - not designed for an easy fix. Apparently new builds are much better for this.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,398
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    This thread header is an interesting contribution to the debate. It would be helpful if the author linked to the source material.

    There's a linky there - the words "research paper".
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,091
    Sean_F said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    They actually look like orcs.
    I suspect few of us look our best in police mug shots but I'm starting to wonder if AI couldn't learn to pick out wrong 'uns just from their obviously guilty faces.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,175
    Out of impure curiosity, how do the two authors categorize themselves, politically?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Sandpit said:

    Looks like Hamas and Hezbollah left behind a load of old Soviet heavy weapons, well the Israelis have collected them up and sent them to Ukraine. Thanks Israel!

    https://x.com/20gimsack/status/1883497522813092212

    First ever direct aid to Ukraine by Israel?
    Think so, yes. They’ve had a few of their own local problems over the past couple of years.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,533
    viewcode said:

    Gold prices over time. Note to teenaged self: buy gold

    https://www.chards.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-history

    Note to Gordon Brown. Fecking idiot.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,237
    Eabhal said:

    Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.

    Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easier
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,438
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    This thread header is an interesting contribution to the debate. It would be helpful if the author linked to the source material.

    He did. But here it is again https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/epub/10.1177/19401612241311886

    (see the words "research paper" in the phrase "Petter Törnberg and Juliana Chueri sought to answer this in a research paper..."? Click on that.)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,398
    Foss said:

    Eabhal said:

    Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.

    Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easier
    Ditto, for m-i-l's house (neighbour had a drone so it was free).
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,942
    Taz said:

    rottenborough said:

    Nvidia down 13%

    Apple up slightly.

    A few down over 10% today

    Constellation Energy
    Arista Networks
    NRG Energy
    Quanta Services
    Broadcom
    Eaton
    Nvidia
    Digital Realty

    There are no sure fire certainties in tech. Things move so quickly. When you incentivise a country with huge financial and people resources to look for answers to fundamental problems, you get companies like DeepSeek. It's one reason why tariffs and sanctions can be so counter-productive - they just lead to workarounds that leave your own businesses flatfooted and at a disadvantage.

  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    @TSE I thought this topic was verboten ?

    Is there a relaxation of the rules ?

    Thanks
    There is no relaxation.

    The topic is still verboten until further notice.
    I see I have some catching up to do.
    Hope you're well and in a good place.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,539
    edited January 27
    Ah "fact checkers", those paragons of virtue that no one can question. Why am I not surprised that the commissar supports these numpties.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,868
    turbotubbs said:

    Sean_F said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    They actually look like orcs.
    I suspect few of us look our best in police mug shots but I'm starting to wonder if AI couldn't learn to pick out wrong 'uns just from their obviously guilty faces.
    And how come the last one got to wear his hoodie and Covid mask?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,745
    .
    kamski said:

    bondegezou said:

    turbotubbs said:

    An alternative possibility (from a quick scan of the methods it seems that the data relates to tweets about news stories that have been identified as factually lacking) is the right is more gullible and links to said stories because they believe them.

    That seems like an overly generous interpretation.
    If the populist right have discovered that the more bullshit they spread the better they do, the question is why aren't other parties doing it as much?
    Ethical standards?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,613
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    @TSE I thought this topic was verboten ?

    Is there a relaxation of the rules ?

    Thanks
    There is no relaxation.

    The topic is still verboten until further notice.
    Apols.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,161
    Off Topic
    Watching this week's silent witness on iPlayer. Really good, catch it if you can...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,091
    Jim_Miller said:

    Out of impure curiosity, how do the two authors categorize themselves, politically?

    Academics, so will almost certainly lean left or centrist. Not likely big Trump fans.

    But that shouldn't invalidate the results.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,541
    edited January 27
    Foss said:

    Eabhal said:

    Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.

    Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easier
    And then you have the solar panel installers employing GIS analysts + drone operators to provide bespoke projections to homeowners.

    It's stuff like this that makes me very sceptical of the flat productivity figures.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,398
    edited January 27
    Stark_Dawning said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Sean_F said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    They actually look like orcs.
    I suspect few of us look our best in police mug shots but I'm starting to wonder if AI couldn't learn to pick out wrong 'uns just from their obviously guilty faces.
    And how come the last one got to wear his hoodie and Covid mask?
    ...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,482
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.



    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702

    Are you suggesting that not all the problems in the criminal justice system are due to the new Labour administration?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,086
    edited January 27
    Carnyx said:

    Foss said:

    Eabhal said:

    Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.

    Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easier
    Ditto, for m-i-l's house (neighbour had a drone so it was free).
    And same for a solar PV company doing us a quote for rooftop panels. A obvious thing to do in hindsight but I was still surprised and impressed when they got the drone out.

    I got a small drone for Christmas about 5 years ago. It was so rubbish I couldn't even manage to keep it in the same field on a breezy day, and the photos were terrible. Put me off drones for years. Now I'm wishing I'd just got a more expensive one to start with.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,612
    edited January 27
    Stark_Dawning said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Sean_F said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    They actually look like orcs.
    I suspect few of us look our best in police mug shots but I'm starting to wonder if AI couldn't learn to pick out wrong 'uns just from their obviously guilty faces.
    And how come the last one got to wear his hoodie and Covid mask?
    She was the only one pictured who was found not guilty of the more heinous offences, "only" of assault, so it's possible that Police Scotland didn't release her mugshot. She'd kept her nose clean for 12-months so got an admonishment. I'm guessing it was something to do with her safety.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,086
    rcs1000 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.



    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702

    Are you suggesting that not all the problems in the criminal justice system are due to the new Labour administration?
    Jenrick. He's got soul but he's not a soldier.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,593
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/27/vw-prepared-to-hand-factories-to-chinese-electric-car-maker/

    VW prepared to hand its factories to Chinese electric carmakers
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,237
    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foss said:

    Eabhal said:

    Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.

    Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easier
    Ditto, for m-i-l's house (neighbour had a drone so it was free).
    And same for a solar PV company doing us a quote for rooftop panels. A obvious thing to do in hindsight but I was still surprised and impressed when they got the drone out.

    I got a small drone for Christmas about 5 years ago. It was so rubbish I couldn't even manage to keep it in the same field on a breezy day, and the photos were terrible. Put me off drones for years. Now I'm wishing I'd just got a more expensive one to start with.
    The light drones (<250g) have less regs around them. But they do get blown around more.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    edited January 27
    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,907
    …
    MaxPB said:

    Ah "fact checkers", those paragons of virtue that no one can question. Why am I not surprised that the commissar supports these numpties.

    It’s a bit problematic - they selected the politicians by who used Twitter so not weighted, didn’t look at other social media and the data is latest 2020.

    It’s also a bit misleading the claim that they analysed 32million tweets where in the paper they say they drew on a database of 32m tweets to search URLs which is a bit different.

    The research checked these URLs against other databases for “fake news” but doesn’t analyse if the tweets without attachments or links contained misinformation.

    Not saying their conclusions don’t match reality but using a study to show misinformation from a particular political wing which could be misinformative is
    interesting.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,745
    Jim_Miller said:

    Out of impure curiosity, how do the two authors categorize themselves, politically?

    The authors declare no conflicts of interest. Beyond that, in research, we let the methods speak for themselves. There’s an additional online appendix at https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/suppl/10.1177/19401612241311886/suppl_file/sj-docx-1-hij-10.1177_19401612241311886.docx
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,001
    rcs1000 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.



    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702

    Are you suggesting that not all the problems in the criminal justice system are due to the new Labour administration?
    Look, I give Starmer until this July.

    The solution is easy, as with most things, he needs to hire more (well remunerated) lawyers to fix the problems.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,954
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    What is it about Scottish culture that leads to this kind of behaviour? It's clearly very backwards and incompatible with Western values.
    The Prosecution Fallacy.

    If you prosecute a crime lots, then it will appear you have lots of that crime.

    Since @DavidL is prosecuting away like crazy…
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,829
    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    Remember Delilah getting cancelled a couple of years back.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,612
    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,745
    edited January 27
    UK neo-Nazi groups 'really excited' by Elon Musk salute

    https://archive.is/2025.01.26-092330/https://www.thenational.scot/news/24884108.uk-neo-nazi-groups-really-excited-elon-musk-salute/
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,612
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    Remember Delilah getting cancelled a couple of years back.
    The catchiest song about domestic knife crime ever written.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,907
    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.
    One of Netflix’s most popular shows amongst women was “You” about a stalker. The song doesn’t glorify stalking.

    Humans can often work out for themselves if they should stalk people because Sting sang about a stalker or if they shouldn’t - I was stalked by a woman and would hazard she didn’t do it because of a song.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    Remember Delilah getting cancelled a couple of years back.
    The Stones "Under My Thumb" has been considered problematic too.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    edited January 27
    Foss said:

    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foss said:

    Eabhal said:

    Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.

    Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easier
    Ditto, for m-i-l's house (neighbour had a drone so it was free).
    And same for a solar PV company doing us a quote for rooftop panels. A obvious thing to do in hindsight but I was still surprised and impressed when they got the drone out.

    I got a small drone for Christmas about 5 years ago. It was so rubbish I couldn't even manage to keep it in the same field on a breezy day, and the photos were terrible. Put me off drones for years. Now I'm wishing I'd just got a more expensive one to start with.
    The light drones (250g) have less regs around them. But they do get blown around more.
    Yes the trick is to buy a decent one that’s 250g, something like DJI Mini. ($300)
    https://store.dji.com/product/dji-mini-4k?from=store_homepage&vid=166281
    The toy ones are uncontrollable outside on anything other than a dead calm day, and the heavier ones require formal training and licensing for commercial use.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,086
    edited January 27
    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.
    I don't understand why Sting is so defensive about the lyrics. They're what make it such a powerful song. Writing creepy lyrics like that doesn't mean he's a stalker anymore than Bruce Dickinson actually wants to send his daughter to the slaughter or Jenrick-lookalike Brandon Flowers wants to murder his girlfriend in Midnight Show.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,085
    turbotubbs said:

    Sean_F said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    They actually look like orcs.
    I suspect few of us look our best in police mug shots but I'm starting to wonder if AI couldn't learn to pick out wrong 'uns just from their obviously guilty faces.
    So many paedos look like caricatures of paedos. People of obviously low intelligence, hideously ugly, and devoid of morals.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    Daveyboy1961 said:

    Off Topic
    Watching this week's silent witness on iPlayer. Really good, catch it if you can...

    We have watched the first one, with the old people's home, which was okay and half way through the second one so far. We will get to it soon.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,001
    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.
    One of Netflix’s most popular shows amongst women was “You” about a stalker. The song doesn’t glorify stalking.

    Humans can often work out for themselves if they should stalk people because Sting sang about a stalker or if they shouldn’t - I was stalked by a woman and would hazard she didn’t do it because of a song.
    There’s a very fine line between stalking and being romantic.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,153
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    I misread the title of the previous thread as "Is Nigel Farage far right?" :lol:

    That was not my intention.

    I would never use headlines that could be considered clickbait.
    It could have been How Far is Farage Right ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,911
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, this from Robert Jenrick has really annoyed me.



    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1882684767742951702

    Are you suggesting that not all the problems in the criminal justice system are due to the new Labour administration?
    Look, I give Starmer until this July.

    The solution is easy, as with most things, he needs to hire more (well remunerated) lawyers to fix the problems.
    "I don't believe it. I don't believe it! You're here to defend me against these characters, and the only one on my side is the bloodsucking lawyer!"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,153
    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.
    Innocent me thought it was all about democratic scrutiny...
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,612
    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.
    One of Netflix’s most popular shows amongst women was “You” about a stalker. The song doesn’t glorify stalking.

    Humans can often work out for themselves if they should stalk people because Sting sang about a stalker or if they shouldn’t - I was stalked by a woman and would hazard she didn’t do it because of a song.
    Sure. But the people who do Rock Choir, of whom my mother is one, may baulk at singing "I'll be watching you" at the end of every song. Either way its up to them what they include in their repertoire. Radiohead don't play anything off Pablo Honey anymore, which is a far bigger crime against music that passes without comment. Double standards everywhere.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,086
    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.
    One of Netflix’s most popular shows amongst women was “You” about a stalker. The song doesn’t glorify stalking.

    Humans can often work out for themselves if they should stalk people because Sting sang about a stalker or if they shouldn’t - I was stalked by a woman and would hazard she didn’t do it because of a song.
    I was also stalked by a woman. Mercifully briefly, and she backed off when I laid down the law. But it was unnerving while it happened.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,907
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.
    One of Netflix’s most popular shows amongst women was “You” about a stalker. The song doesn’t glorify stalking.

    Humans can often work out for themselves if they should stalk people because Sting sang about a stalker or if they shouldn’t - I was stalked by a woman and would hazard she didn’t do it because of a song.
    There’s a very fine line between stalking and being romantic.
    It’s the flowers isn’t it. Heads on, romance, heads off, problems.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,612
    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.
    Innocent me thought it was all about democratic scrutiny...
    You may be right. I often miss the subtext.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    A song more famous among the younger generations for being covered by the artist formerly known as Diddy.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,237
    Sandpit said:

    Foss said:

    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foss said:

    Eabhal said:

    Spotted the council checking some damage on a tenement with a drone. What a fascinating modern age we live in.

    Last time we had some roof work done I was able to provide drone shots of the issues. It cut down on confusion and made the whole thing so much easier
    Ditto, for m-i-l's house (neighbour had a drone so it was free).
    And same for a solar PV company doing us a quote for rooftop panels. A obvious thing to do in hindsight but I was still surprised and impressed when they got the drone out.

    I got a small drone for Christmas about 5 years ago. It was so rubbish I couldn't even manage to keep it in the same field on a breezy day, and the photos were terrible. Put me off drones for years. Now I'm wishing I'd just got a more expensive one to start with.
    The light drones (250g) have less regs around them. But they do get blown around more.
    Yes the trick is to buy a decent one that’s 250g, something like DJI Mini. ($300)
    https://store.dji.com/product/dji-mini-4k?from=store_homepage&vid=166281
    The toy ones are uncontrollable outside on anything other than a dead calm day, and the heavier ones require formal training and licensing for commercial use.
    The Mini is a nice drone - but the US has been talking about banning DJI and, if they do so, one has to wonder how long their western business has to live.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,482
    Sean_F said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    "The seven members of one of Scotland's biggest child sex abuse rings have been given life-long sentences and warned that they may never be released."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

    They actually look like orcs.
    Please don't defame orcs.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain’s largest choir stop performing The Police’s ‘Every Breath You Take’ due to controversial lyrics and “impact of the narrative”. Comprising over 31,000 members across the UK, the Rock Choir has long performed the classic 1983 track but has now confirmed it will be removing it from the repertoire."

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/britains-largest-choir-stop-performing-the-police-every-breath-you-take-3831072

    It's about a stalker. It is an inherently creepy song.
    Innocent me thought it was all about democratic scrutiny...
    There was an urban myth he wrote it about his first wife as they were divorcing at the time but that is not on any official account.

    He moved onto another actress, Trudy Styler, and got into Tantric Love with 6 hour lovemaking sessions and the like. Takes all sorts i guess.
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