There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
On the right wing shows on LBC the general consensus seemed to be Musk's celebration of Trump's victory was just a little bit of exuberant autism. I was offended.
Which brings me to my new theory. The falling out between Trump and Farage is all down to Musk who, not for the first time, is walking back a crazy cash offer made while sedated.
John Stepek @John_Stepek You know if we're going to build a few more runways, maybe it would be intellectually consistent and growth-oriented to drill for a bit of oil and gas too
It's interesting the contrast with Norway. New oil and gas drilling... But also 90% of new cars are electric.
Because they have lots of oil and gas to provide consistent electricity for them.
Norway's electricity is almost entirely renewable: 88% of power is provided by hydroelectricity.
It's interesting that Germany's decision to end nuclear power is forcing Norway to reconsider selling electricity to them because the spikes in demand push up prices for Norwegians even though they are self-sufficient.
How does that make sense? If Norway is self-sufficient and exporting to Germany, then spikes in price can only be good for Norway - they get more money for the same number of electrons.
It's not good for Norwegian consumers whose bills go up.
Why would Norwegian consumer bills go up? It would be the opposite. High prices are great if you're a country that exports electricity. The Norwegian power companies would get more money from exports, so they wouldn't need to charge domestic consumers so much.
Where did you actually see it reported that Norway is to reconsider selling electricity to Germany?
Electricity is a fungible good (ignoring transmission lists, etc).
So if you can sell for 100 to Germany or 10 to Norway you sell to Germany
Consumers always pay the marginal cost (unless they have hedged)
Yep:
And there is also the impact of some industries that are just proxies for energy: nitrogen fertilizers, aluminum smelting, and purifying silicon to name but three. If the price of energy moves in one place, then production in another jumps up to compensate.
Which is why it didn't matter how dependent or not you are on Russian gas, you got the same impact from their removal from the gas market.
Taking this to its logical conclusion, would you argue that there's no point having a national energy policy at all?
I think there's a good case for taxing negative externalities, freeing up the planning process, and letting the market decide.
With that said, there are still a few projects where the government probably needs to play a role. I think the lack of has storage in the UK (a common good problem) meant that UK generators needed to pay whatever it took to secure LNG cargoes, while countries with significant storage facilities were able to take much more of a wait and see attitude.
LNG storage, and SMR Nuclear which has massive export potential.
This SMR Nuclear?
"the failure of the much-anticipated proof case for advanced nuclear alongside the X-Energy market retreat left many questioning whether next generation nuclear could live up to its promises."
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Yes, all the autistic people we know are always giving nazi salutes.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Yes, all the autistic people we know are always giving nazi salutes.
It's a well known tell by autism experts in fact. Takes years of training to spot it. But once you know...
Which brings me to my new theory. The falling out between Trump and Farage is all down to Musk who, not for the first time, is walking back a crazy cash offer made while sedated.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
Though Dr Strangelove did recognise that the gesture was inappropriate, something Musk doesn't seem to realise.
Or perhaps he did and that's why he did it.
Because here we all are talking about Musk not Trump.
When I watched the video, I must admit I wasn't thinking "Here he is. The modern Machiavelli. Setting us up with his botched salute so to distract from Overlord Trump."
But, perhaps, just perhaps. That's what his amazing plan was.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually comics a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well yes: and the same people who are most vocal when someone commits a crime who was known to be dangerous, will be most vocal when someone is detained "who hasn't even committed a crime!!!"
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
At the same time? Lee Rigby was murdered in May 2013. Or are you thinking of another case?
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually comics a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Farage is making hay/mischief (delete as appropriate) explaining that the Government held the ricin news from us. Those running with this on LBC were blaming the Farage Riots on not being made aware of the ricin issue, although the police made the link after the roots. Very confusing.
Perhaps Kemi can make hay/mischief (delete as appropriate) tomorrow at 12.00.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
At the same time? Lee Rigby was murdered in May 2013. Or are you thinking of another case?
He means at the same time as Southport. There's been another delay:
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
At the same time? Lee Rigby was murdered in May 2013. Or are you thinking of another case?
He means at the same time as Southport. There's been another delay:
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
At the same time? Lee Rigby was murdered in May 2013. Or are you thinking of another case?
He means at the same time as Southport. There's been another delay:
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
At the same time? Lee Rigby was murdered in May 2013. Or are you thinking of another case?
He means at the same time as Southport. There's been another delay:
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
At the same time? Lee Rigby was murdered in May 2013. Or are you thinking of another case?
He means at the same time as Southport. There's been another delay:
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
At the same time? Lee Rigby was murdered in May 2013. Or are you thinking of another case?
He means at the same time as Southport. There's been another delay:
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually comics a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well yes: and the same people who are most vocal when someone commits a crime who was known to be dangerous, will be most vocal when someone is detained "who hasn't even committed a crime!!!"
Prevent, for example, is about *avoiding* putting people in the criminal justice system. Get them off the path etc.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Is there any evidence of mental health issues?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
At the same time? Lee Rigby was murdered in May 2013. Or are you thinking of another case?
He means at the same time as Southport. There's been another delay:
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
At the same time? Lee Rigby was murdered in May 2013. Or are you thinking of another case?
He means at the same time as Southport. There's been another delay:
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Is there any evidence of mental health issues?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
He may be fit to plead, but still have a head full of bad wiring.
Given his known behaviour, he wasn't playing with a full deck.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Is there any evidence of mental health issues?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
Charlie Bentley-Astor @astor_charlie The Judge asks if there is any other material the defence wishes to place before the court.
Mr Reiz says he does not have a psychiatrists report but wishes to submit Rudakubana's "considerable" mental health record which existed before the events in Southport on 29 July 2024
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Is there any evidence of mental health issues?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
He may be fit to plead, but still have a head full of bad wiring.
Given his known behaviour, he wasn't playing with a full deck.
Job for a professional head shrinker, of course.
Yes but was he mad or bad? The first is a job for the trick cyclists, the second for the cops and social workers.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Yes, all the autistic people we know are always giving nazi salutes.
I know! It's amazing! You go a bit autism and suddenly seig-heiling all over the place! Who knew! One minute it's not being able to hold eye contact, the next it's annexing the Sudatenland! A powerful thing that autism... 👿
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Is there any evidence of mental health issues?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
He may be fit to plead, but still have a head full of bad wiring.
Given his known behaviour, he wasn't playing with a full deck.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
No it isn't. Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD. There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum. That's why it's a spectrum. And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse". Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Is there any evidence of mental health issues?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
He may be fit to plead, but still have a head full of bad wiring.
Given his known behaviour, he wasn't playing with a full deck.
Job for a professional head shrinker, of course.
Yes but was he mad or bad? The first is a job for the trick cyclists, the second for the cops and social workers.
He seems to have been refereed to various mental health people along the way.
My guess is that it was lack of resources to deal with him, once it was clear that he wasn't a Snackbarist.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Is there any evidence of mental health issues?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
He may be fit to plead, but still have a head full of bad wiring.
Given his known behaviour, he wasn't playing with a full deck.
Job for a professional head shrinker, of course.
Or a candidate for the Presidency.
Nah, he's got nowhere near the body count ambition to be a US President.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Is there any evidence of mental health issues?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
He may be fit to plead, but still have a head full of bad wiring.
Given his known behaviour, he wasn't playing with a full deck.
Job for a professional head shrinker, of course.
Yes but was he mad or bad? The first is a job for the trick cyclists, the second for the cops and social workers.
He seems to have been refereed to various mental health people along the way.
My guess is that it was lack of resources to deal with him, once it was clear that he wasn't a Snackbarist.
Lack of resources for mental health you say? Gonna be a theme of the Starmer years. The public inquiry into Nottingham killer who went on the rampage and killed two students and a caretaker will be an eye opener I suspect.
If the tariffs against Canada and Mexico are actually put in place and inflation does soar, what does Trump actually do? Claim it’s the Dem’s fault?
It’s all those Mexicans’ fault. Sent us their bad prices, steal our savings rape our wallets
Or something like that
Mexico and Canada need the US market to sell into. They will have to squeeze their profit margins to remain price competitive with domestic US producers.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
No it isn't. Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD. There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum. That's why it's a spectrum. And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse". Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.
"Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1 Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024
One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
The failure of Prevent was not that they didn’t do what they were asked to do. It’s that, having concluded Axel Rudakabuna wasn’t covered by their service, they didn’t pass him on to a more appropriate service to monitor and treat him.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
No it isn't. Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD. There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum. That's why it's a spectrum. And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse". Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.
"Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1 Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024
One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."
If the tariffs against Canada and Mexico are actually put in place and inflation does soar, what does Trump actually do? Claim it’s the Dem’s fault?
It’s all those Mexicans’ fault. Sent us their bad prices, steal our savings rape our wallets
Or something like that
Mexico and Canada need the US market to sell into. They will have to squeeze their profit margins to remain price competitive with domestic US producers.
The economically optimal position is for US producers to *raise* their prices
Pre tariff CA Co price 50 Post tariff CA Co price = 62.50
Pre tariff US Co price = 50 Post tariff US Co price = 60
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Is there any evidence of mental health issues?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
He may be fit to plead, but still have a head full of bad wiring.
Given his known behaviour, he wasn't playing with a full deck.
Job for a professional head shrinker, of course.
Yes but was he mad or bad? The first is a job for the trick cyclists, the second for the cops and social workers.
He seems to have been refereed to various mental health people along the way.
My guess is that it was lack of resources to deal with him, once it was clear that he wasn't a Snackbarist.
Lack of resources for mental health you say? Gonna be a theme of the Starmer years. The public inquiry into Nottingham killer who went on the rampage and killed two students and a caretaker will be an eye opener I suspect.
Much handwringing, very sad, lessons will be learned etc., keep Treasury wallet firmly closed, wait two hours for next news item to take over so everyone forgets about it, move on. Solving shit costs too much and is therefore too hard.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
No it isn't. Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD. There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum. That's why it's a spectrum. And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse". Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.
"Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1 Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024
One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."
Indeed. It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.
I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
In a way this Musk-Nazi thing is quite useful. Because sensible people know what they saw and what it means, so the incident can act as a useful tool to partition the media into two camps. The first is those news sources that are already cowed, and the second is those that are still worth paying some attention too. I just wish the first camp wasn't so large.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The former leader of the Proud Boys and the founder of the Oath Keepers have been released from prison after their lengthy sentences for seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol were wiped away by a sweeping order from President Donald Trump benefiting more than 1,500 defendants.
Enrique Tarrio and Stewart Rhodes were two of the highest-profile Jan. 6 defendants and received some of the harshest punishments in what became the largest investigation in Justice Department history.
Rhodes, of Granbury, Texas, was serving an 18-year prison sentence, and Tarrio, of Miami, was serving a 22-year sentence after they were convicted of orchestrating plots to stop the peaceful transfer of power after Trump, a Republican, lost the 2020 election to Democrat Joe Biden.
I had the joy of listening to Starmer whilst driving into work this morning and all I could think was, 'naw mate'
1. New form of terrorism. Really?, a lone attack who appears to have been inspired/connected in some way by some cause? Its been the pattern of most attacks in the last 10 years sunshine, where you been? Is not new.
2. This inquiry with pre-ordained conclusions already (the system failed according to government ministers) is deflection. Blame the system and some bods at a lower level when in fact the system makes mistakes which is not the same thing as failing. The volume of stuff that things like. Prevent, security services, the police and so on process an enormous of raw data, you are not going to get it all right in your analysis or indeed your reaction to it.
3. What seems to be the case is there was, at the time of these events, a mobilisation within some elements of the state and perhaps within the media to try to deny what has actually come out as having credence. The government could have been definitive, it could have been clear that the perpetrator was UK born, it could have been clear on other elements of the case before charges were brought. You think the police didnt know they were investigating a terror link within a day or three? You think Axel wasnt communicating with others who had known links who may have encouraged him?
3. What Starmer and his government did a Canute over was that the public on the ground did have some inaccurate information but also had some very accurate information. Do you know why they had such accurate information? Because those who knew what was going on live in the broader community. Plod, social services and so on. People talk. Why therefore some within government and the media sought so put a wall up was just the height of stupidity.
This is going to leave a stink on Starmer in particular.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
The failure of Prevent was not that they didn’t do what they were asked to do. It’s that, having concluded Axel Rudakabuna wasn’t covered by their service, they didn’t pass him on to a more appropriate service to monitor and treat him.
That sounds like the problem right across the board. All the agencies passed the buck.
I am reminded of that seminal work into Juvenile delinquency: "Gee, Officer Krupke" from West Side Story:
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
The failure of Prevent was not that they didn’t do what they were asked to do. It’s that, having concluded Axel Rudakabuna wasn’t covered by their service, they didn’t pass him on to a more appropriate service to monitor and treat him.
We don’t know if they tried to hand him off to another organisation.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The former leader of the Proud Boys and the founder of the Oath Keepers have been released from prison after their lengthy sentences for seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol were wiped away by a sweeping order from President Donald Trump benefiting more than 1,500 defendants.
Enrique Tarrio and Stewart Rhodes were two of the highest-profile Jan. 6 defendants and received some of the harshest punishments in what became the largest investigation in Justice Department history.
Rhodes, of Granbury, Texas, was serving an 18-year prison sentence, and Tarrio, of Miami, was serving a 22-year sentence after they were convicted of orchestrating plots to stop the peaceful transfer of power after Trump, a Republican, lost the 2020 election to Democrat Joe Biden.
Which brings me to my new theory. The falling out between Trump and Farage is all down to Musk who, not for the first time, is walking back a crazy cash offer made while sedated.
Have Trump and Farage fallen out? Why?
Farage had attended Trump rallies and been praised by The Donald. However, Farage was not admitted to the inner sanctum for Trump's inauguration. Boris was. But earlier, Musk had disparaged Farage and praised Tommy Robinson, from whom Farage distanced himself and Reform.
So we infer, possibly wrongly, that the falling out with Trump was actually a falling out with Musk. It was generally assumed that Tommy Robinson was the reason, but my own suggestion here is it actually Musk resiling from his $100 million offer to Farage.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The former leader of the Proud Boys and the founder of the Oath Keepers have been released from prison after their lengthy sentences for seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol were wiped away by a sweeping order from President Donald Trump benefiting more than 1,500 defendants.
Enrique Tarrio and Stewart Rhodes were two of the highest-profile Jan. 6 defendants and received some of the harshest punishments in what became the largest investigation in Justice Department history.
Rhodes, of Granbury, Texas, was serving an 18-year prison sentence, and Tarrio, of Miami, was serving a 22-year sentence after they were convicted of orchestrating plots to stop the peaceful transfer of power after Trump, a Republican, lost the 2020 election to Democrat Joe Biden.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
No it isn't. Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD. There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum. That's why it's a spectrum. And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse". Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.
"Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1 Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024
One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."
Indeed. It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.
I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.
Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.
Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
No it isn't. Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD. There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum. That's why it's a spectrum. And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse". Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.
"Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1 Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024
One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."
Indeed. It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.
I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.
Often Autistc people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.
Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
One of my daughter's best ones was when she was minuting a medical committee meeting about a piece of research they were doing. Someone said at the meeting that they needed more input on a particular aspect of the research. What they meant, of course, was to get input from someone suitably expert in that field.
But my daughter thought she was being given an instruction so she went and researched it and then produced paragraphs covering the issues that they had identified. The other members of the committee decided they were rather good so they used them and gave her a credit as one of the authors!
Six nights out of seven my frame of reference is almost totally middle class. The group of friends I see on Tuesdays, however, is earthier. I don't think I ever go wothout encountering a conversation topic or opinion that I wouldn't really encounter the rest of the week. Surprising opinion this week: "Did you see the Trump inauguration? Brilliant, wasn't it? He was just doing stuff, right from the start." This view was listened to politely - hard to say how uniform the admiration was but it wasn't shouted down. However, when the individual in question went on to cintrast Trumo with Starmer and in particular his behaviour in relation to the Southport attack, the derision was universal. I haben't got the evidence to say that Trump is popular in Wythenshawe, but he seems more popular than Starmer.
I had thought working class Manchester unlikely to be fertile ground for Reform, but I'm starting to wonder. Certainly Greater Manchester Labour seem much more worried about Reform than any other potential competitor, but I'd guessed that was just yer Ashton/Oldham/Rochdale belt. Perhaps not.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The former leader of the Proud Boys and the founder of the Oath Keepers have been released from prison after their lengthy sentences for seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol were wiped away by a sweeping order from President Donald Trump benefiting more than 1,500 defendants.
Enrique Tarrio and Stewart Rhodes were two of the highest-profile Jan. 6 defendants and received some of the harshest punishments in what became the largest investigation in Justice Department history.
Rhodes, of Granbury, Texas, was serving an 18-year prison sentence, and Tarrio, of Miami, was serving a 22-year sentence after they were convicted of orchestrating plots to stop the peaceful transfer of power after Trump, a Republican, lost the 2020 election to Democrat Joe Biden.
Biden should have sprung the 6th of January mob. They were obviously going to be freed anyway and it would have made Biden look statesmanlike. Not to mention it would have drawn attention away from his rather odd preemptive pardons.
Why don’t they simply ask the existing Ambassador to stay on? She has a good reputation with the Trump team and you’d think that was a rather vital commodity right now.
I tend to think although we are not “at war”, we at a critical geopolitical juncture, and so it is time to dispense with some of the business as usual process.
Mandelson or even Miliband have been a good pick under the Biden administration, but not I think anymore.
Was thinking with all this focus on Southport case, the seeming copy cat Lee Rigby murder that occurred at the same time, that has totally been memory holed.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
The Southport case is a test.
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Well, Prevent is believed to have had some success in diverting people from the radicalisation spiral.
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
Is there any evidence of mental health issues?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
He may be fit to plead, but still have a head full of bad wiring.
Given his known behaviour, he wasn't playing with a full deck.
Job for a professional head shrinker, of course.
Yes but was he mad or bad? The first is a job for the trick cyclists, the second for the cops and social workers.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The former leader of the Proud Boys and the founder of the Oath Keepers have been released from prison after their lengthy sentences for seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol were wiped away by a sweeping order from President Donald Trump benefiting more than 1,500 defendants.
Enrique Tarrio and Stewart Rhodes were two of the highest-profile Jan. 6 defendants and received some of the harshest punishments in what became the largest investigation in Justice Department history.
Rhodes, of Granbury, Texas, was serving an 18-year prison sentence, and Tarrio, of Miami, was serving a 22-year sentence after they were convicted of orchestrating plots to stop the peaceful transfer of power after Trump, a Republican, lost the 2020 election to Democrat Joe Biden.
Biden should have sprung the 6th of January mob. They were obviously going to be freed anyway and it would have made Biden look statesmanlike. Not to mention it would have drawn attention away from his rather odd preemptive pardons.
Why would letting them out be statesmanlike?
They are a gang of nasty, shitty arseholes, who committed some serious crimes.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
No it isn't. Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD. There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum. That's why it's a spectrum. And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse". Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.
"Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1 Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024
One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."
Indeed. It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.
I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.
Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.
Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
Let’s be honest, many if not most of the posters here are “on the spectrum”.
However, it does not - with only a few exceptions - result in a general sympathy for the AfD and other fash-flirting movements, nor an inability to avoid accidentally sieg heiling as we go about our business.
What is it with the Nu10k that think they can just waltz into a job with no demonstrated ability to do it? Give it to somebody who knows how to ambassador.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
No it isn't. Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD. There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum. That's why it's a spectrum. And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse". Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.
"Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1 Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024
One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."
Indeed. It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.
I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.
Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.
Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
Let’s be honest, many if not most of the posters here are “on the spectrum”.
However, it does not - with only a few exceptions - result in a general sympathy for the AfD and other fash-flirting movements, nor an inability to avoid accidentally sieg heiling as we go about our business.
Talking of accidental sieg heils, this is a classic moment in German comedy:
I had the joy of listening to Starmer whilst driving into work this morning and all I could think was, 'naw mate'
1. New form of terrorism. Really?, a lone attack who appears to have been inspired/connected in some way by some cause? Its been the pattern of most attacks in the last 10 years sunshine, where you been? Is not new.
2. This inquiry with pre-ordained conclusions already (the system failed according to government ministers) is deflection. Blame the system and some bods at a lower level when in fact the system makes mistakes which is not the same thing as failing. The volume of stuff that things like. Prevent, security services, the police and so on process an enormous of raw data, you are not going to get it all right in your analysis or indeed your reaction to it.
3. What seems to be the case is there was, at the time of these events, a mobilisation within some elements of the state and perhaps within the media to try to deny what has actually come out as having credence. The government could have been definitive, it could have been clear that the perpetrator was UK born, it could have been clear on other elements of the case before charges were brought. You think the police didnt know they were investigating a terror link within a day or three? You think Axel wasnt communicating with others who had known links who may have encouraged him?
3. What Starmer and his government did a Canute over was that the public on the ground did have some inaccurate information but also had some very accurate information. Do you know why they had such accurate information? Because those who knew what was going on live in the broader community. Plod, social services and so on. People talk. Why therefore some within government and the media sought so put a wall up was just the height of stupidity.
This is going to leave a stink on Starmer in particular.
You seem to blame everyone for the misinformation except those who were spreading the misinformation.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
No it isn't. Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD. There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum. That's why it's a spectrum. And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse". Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.
"Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1 Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024
One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."
Indeed. It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.
I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.
Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.
Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
Let’s be honest, many if not most of the posters here are “on the spectrum”.
However, it does not - with only a few exceptions - result in a general sympathy for the AfD and other fash-flirting movements, nor an inability to avoid accidentally sieg heiling as we go about our business.
{checks satnav - whoops, half way across Poland. Again}
If the tariffs against Canada and Mexico are actually put in place and inflation does soar, what does Trump actually do? Claim it’s the Dem’s fault?
Well he is going to add them to Chinese and EU imports too and they will likely retaliate, he will then just tell his voters to only buy American goods
Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week
He said this is all at the expense of China
Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves
Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms
What is it with the Nu10k that think they can just waltz into a job with no demonstrated ability to do it? Give it to somebody who knows how to ambassador.
Those Ferraro Rocher don't eat themselves you know.
Six nights out of seven my frame of reference is almost totally middle class. The group of friends I see on Tuesdays, however, is earthier. I don't think I ever go wothout encountering a conversation topic or opinion that I wouldn't really encounter the rest of the week. Surprising opinion this week: "Did you see the Trump inauguration? Brilliant, wasn't it? He was just doing stuff, right from the start." This view was listened to politely - hard to say how uniform the admiration was but it wasn't shouted down. However, when the individual in question went on to cintrast Trumo with Starmer and in particular his behaviour in relation to the Southport attack, the derision was universal. I haben't got the evidence to say that Trump is popular in Wythenshawe, but he seems more popular than Starmer.
I had thought working class Manchester unlikely to be fertile ground for Reform, but I'm starting to wonder. Certainly Greater Manchester Labour seem much more worried about Reform than any other potential competitor, but I'd guessed that was just yer Ashton/Oldham/Rochdale belt. Perhaps not.
It would be dishonest to claim that Trump’s bias toward bold action is unattractive, especially in a UK which seems mired in the frustrations of a “process state”.
There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.
An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?
He can't be very bright if so!
Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
Autism, the friendly name for Apergers
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
No it isn't. Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD. There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum. That's why it's a spectrum. And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse". Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.
"Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1 Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024
One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."
Indeed. It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.
I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.
Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.
Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
Plus being the richest man in the world and founding the biggest electric car business in the world and sending a few spaceships into space and buying and using for one's own ends a big social media company also seems to suit at least one one the spectrum
What is it with the Nu10k that think they can just waltz into a job with no demonstrated ability to do it? Give it to somebody who knows how to ambassador.
The existing ambassador seems to be highly thought of and, crucially, gets on with Trump courtiers.
But she is not a famous name and there is some stuff about the average term of an ambassador.
What is it with the Nu10k that think they can just waltz into a job with no demonstrated ability to do it? Give it to somebody who knows how to ambassador.
The existing ambassador seems to be highly thought of and, crucially, gets on with Trump courtiers.
But she is not a famous name and there is some stuff about the average term of an ambassador.
I think they should send Lee Anderson.
Who cares about average terms. Promise the lady a peerage to renew for another 4 years.
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On the right wing shows on LBC the general consensus seemed to be Musk's celebration of Trump's victory was just a little bit of exuberant autism. I was offended.
It closes in the West End on Saturday but I've just booked to see something else tomorrow (Doh I thought it was still around next week).
Which brings me to my new theory. The falling out between Trump and Farage is all down to Musk who, not for the first time, is walking back a crazy cash offer made while sedated.
He can't be very bright if so!
If you know enough about Nazis to get where the thrill comes from, you know enough to know why you shouldn't.
Silly adolescent boys have always done things like this. It's just that most don't make billions from its distribution.
(*or 150m km away)
https://x.com/MattCartoonist/status/1881390652266528956
Matt goes meta.
Because here we all are talking about Musk not Trump.
Might have been terrorism, might not. Very few details were ever provided, media never mention it.
But, perhaps, just perhaps. That's what his amazing plan was.
Rather than "LOLWUT SALUTE LOL!!!!".
https://fortune.com/europe/2025/01/09/elon-musk-reportedly-discussed-strategies-oust-keir-starmer-uk-pm-before-next-election/
We now know this boy was a real danger, and recognised as such by his parents, school, police and social workers, but what can be done before he actually commits a crime? Are we to lock people up for pre-crimes?
Perhaps Kemi can make hay/mischief (delete as appropriate) tomorrow at 12.00.
https://x.com/HJB_News__/status/1881245347818942751
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/19/style/when-your-son-goes-maga.html
Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations
In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
Perhaps something similar but tailored to deal with extreme mental health issues?
The victim's name was Lt. Col. Mark Teeton, stationed in Gillingham. He survived, fortunately.
The perp's name is Anthony Esan.
Something like that for nutters?
He didn't plead diminished responsibility.
Hopefully the inquiry will provide some answers.
It may well include the woeful state of both youth and adult mental health services.
Given his known behaviour, he wasn't playing with a full deck.
Job for a professional head shrinker, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
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The Judge asks if there is any other material the defence wishes to place before the court.
Mr Reiz says he does not have a psychiatrists report but wishes to submit Rudakubana's "considerable" mental health record which existed before the events in Southport on 29 July 2024
Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD.
There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum.
That's why it's a spectrum.
And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse".
Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
My guess is that it was lack of resources to deal with him, once it was clear that he wasn't a Snackbarist.
Or something like that
"Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1
Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024
One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."
https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944#:~:text=Asperger's syndrome was named after an Austrian
It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
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I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
Enrique Tarrio and Stewart Rhodes were two of the highest-profile Jan. 6 defendants and received some of the harshest punishments in what became the largest investigation in Justice Department history.
Rhodes, of Granbury, Texas, was serving an 18-year prison sentence, and Tarrio, of Miami, was serving a 22-year sentence after they were convicted of orchestrating plots to stop the peaceful transfer of power after Trump, a Republican, lost the 2020 election to Democrat Joe Biden.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trumps-jan-6-clemency-releases-former-proud-boys-leader-oath-keepers-founder-from-lengthy-sentences
1. New form of terrorism. Really?, a lone attack who appears to have been inspired/connected in some way by some cause? Its been the pattern of most attacks in the last 10 years sunshine, where you been? Is not new.
2. This inquiry with pre-ordained conclusions already (the system failed according to government ministers) is deflection. Blame the system and some bods at a lower level when in fact the system makes mistakes which is not the same thing as failing. The volume of stuff that things like. Prevent, security services, the police and so on process an enormous of raw data, you are not going to get it all right in your analysis or indeed your reaction to it.
3. What seems to be the case is there was, at the time of these events, a mobilisation within some elements of the state and perhaps within the media to try to deny what has actually come out as having credence. The government could have been definitive, it could have been clear that the perpetrator was UK born, it could have been clear on other elements of the case before charges were brought. You think the police didnt know they were investigating a terror link within a day or three? You think Axel wasnt communicating with others who had known links who may have encouraged him?
3. What Starmer and his government did a Canute over was that the public on the ground did have some inaccurate information but also had some very accurate information. Do you know why they had such accurate information? Because those who knew what was going on live in the broader community. Plod, social services and so on. People talk. Why therefore some within government and the media sought so put a wall up was just the height of stupidity.
This is going to leave a stink on Starmer in particular.
I am reminded of that seminal work into Juvenile delinquency: "Gee, Officer Krupke" from West Side Story:
https://youtu.be/j7TT4jnnWys?feature=shared
So we infer, possibly wrongly, that the falling out with Trump was actually a falling out with Musk. It was generally assumed that Tommy Robinson was the reason, but my own suggestion here is it actually Musk resiling from his $100 million offer to Farage.
But terrible none the less.
Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.
Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
But my daughter thought she was being given an instruction so she went and researched it and then produced paragraphs covering the issues that they had identified. The other members of the committee decided they were rather good so they used them and gave her a credit as one of the authors!
I haben't got the evidence to say that Trump is popular in Wythenshawe, but he seems more popular than Starmer.
I had thought working class Manchester unlikely to be fertile ground for Reform, but I'm starting to wonder. Certainly Greater Manchester Labour seem much more worried about Reform than any other potential competitor, but I'd guessed that was just yer Ashton/Oldham/Rochdale belt. Perhaps not.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-miliband-lobbies-mandelsons-job-trump-team-pressures-starmer-drop-him-3494262
Albeit, I referred to “Dr Strangec***”, and the post was quickly deleted by the moderators.
I tend to think although we are not “at war”, we at a critical geopolitical juncture, and so it is time to dispense with some of the business as usual process.
Mandelson or even Miliband have been a good pick under the Biden administration, but not I think anymore.
They are a gang of nasty, shitty arseholes, who committed some serious crimes.
However, it does not - with only a few exceptions - result in a general sympathy for the AfD and other fash-flirting movements, nor an inability to avoid accidentally sieg heiling as we go about our business.
But some actual research reveals that, yes, it is a real thing.
https://www.discogs.com/artist/1696484-Knob-Lick-Upper-10000?srsltid=AfmBOopJFdjKrk3ZXMDu7f2nngs73DbNyIa4RHak4dEUvdVxnIahqcgm
Here they are doing "Two Little Boys"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9vDCd-h4kQ
Knob Lick, it seems, is an unincorporated community in Missouri.
https://youtu.be/Ang6Fw9Ff2k
Why do you say that?
He said this is all at the expense of China
Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves
Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms
But she is not a famous name and there is some stuff about the average term of an ambassador.
I think they should send Lee Anderson.
Promise the lady a peerage to renew for another 4 years.