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Well, he went a little funny in the head. You know. Just a little funny. – politicalbetting.com

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  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
  • HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.

    An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?

    He can't be very bright if so!
    Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
    Autism, the friendly name for Apergers

    Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations

    In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
    No it isn't.
    Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD.
    There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum.
    That's why it's a spectrum.
    And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse".
    Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
    There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.

    "Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1
    Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024


    One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944#:~:text=Asperger's syndrome was named after an Austrian
    Indeed.
    It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
    Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.

    I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

    My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
    Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.

    Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.

    Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
    Plus being the richest man in the world and founding the biggest electric car business in the world and sending a few spaceships into space and buying and using for one's own ends a big social media company also seems to suit at least one one the spectrum
    You will be pleased Boris was in attendance at the ceremony and Churchill's bust is back in the White House

    Seems Farage was left out in the cold !!!!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,546
    Derbyshire on BBC 2 trying desperately to control and properly interview a leading Jan 6th prisoner now released.
  • Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Touched a nerve ?

    The truth hurts
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,546
    "In all honesty, that is all the time i have my dear" says Jan 6 whacko after not answering dozens of questions.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    edited January 21

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.

    An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?

    He can't be very bright if so!
    Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
    Autism, the friendly name for Apergers

    Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations

    In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
    No it isn't.
    Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD.
    There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum.
    That's why it's a spectrum.
    And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse".
    Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
    There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.

    "Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1
    Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024


    One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944#:~:text=Asperger's syndrome was named after an Austrian
    Indeed.
    It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
    Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.

    I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

    My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
    Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.

    Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.

    Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
    Plus being the richest man in the world and founding the biggest electric car business in the world and sending a few spaceships into space and buying and using for one's own ends a big social media company also seems to suit at least one one the spectrum
    You will be pleased Boris was in attendance at the ceremony and Churchill's bust is back in the White House

    Seems Farage was left out in the cold !!!!
    I’m not sure this is the snub it is being assumed.

    Surely an ex-PM, especially one with whom Trump had a prior relationship, outranks the leader of party with 5 seats in parliament?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Touched a nerve ?

    The truth hurts
    It really doesn’t. I didn’t vote Labour for them to indulge in Trumpian nonsense
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,107

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    10 Trillion of bullshit money. That's a lot of bullshit.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,777
    viewcode said:

    David Miliband lobbies for Mandelson's job as Trump team pressures PM to drop him

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-miliband-lobbies-mandelsons-job-trump-team-pressures-starmer-drop-him-3494262

    What is it with the Nu10k that think they can just waltz into a job with no demonstrated ability to do it? Give it to somebody who knows how to ambassador.
    A former foreign secretary is quite obviously qualified to be an ambassador having been the country's top diplomat.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403

    "In all honesty, that is all the time i have my dear" says Jan 6 whacko after not answering dozens of questions.

    Just seen headline ticker: "WOKE BISHOP GIVES TRUMP AN EARFUL" on GB News :lol:
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    10 Trillion of bullshit money. That's a lot of bullshit.
    That is a lot of bullshit
  • Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Touched a nerve ?

    The truth hurts
    It really doesn’t. I didn’t vote Labour for them to indulge in Trumpian nonsense
    Business provides the wealth to fund our public services
  • David Miliband lobbies for Mandelson's job as Trump team pressures PM to drop him

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-miliband-lobbies-mandelsons-job-trump-team-pressures-starmer-drop-him-3494262

    If we’re looking for a Brit who can operate seamlessly in American high society, we’d be better off asking Anna Wintour.
    If we're looking for a British politico who is used to high society, surely its got to be Gove.
  • HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.

    An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?

    He can't be very bright if so!
    Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
    Autism, the friendly name for Apergers

    Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations

    In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
    No it isn't.
    Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD.
    There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum.
    That's why it's a spectrum.
    And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse".
    Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
    There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.

    "Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1
    Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024


    One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944#:~:text=Asperger's syndrome was named after an Austrian
    Indeed.
    It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
    Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.

    I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

    My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
    Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.

    Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.

    Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
    Plus being the richest man in the world and founding the biggest electric car business in the world and sending a few spaceships into space and buying and using for one's own ends a big social media company also seems to suit at least one one the spectrum
    You will be pleased Boris was in attendance at the ceremony and Churchill's bust is back in the White House

    Seems Farage was left out in the cold !!!!
    I’m not sure this is the snub it is being assumed.

    Surely an ex-PM, especially one with whom Trump had a prior relationship, outranks the leader of party with 5 seats in parliament?
    I expect so
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403

    David Miliband lobbies for Mandelson's job as Trump team pressures PM to drop him

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-miliband-lobbies-mandelsons-job-trump-team-pressures-starmer-drop-him-3494262

    If we’re looking for a Brit who can operate seamlessly in American high society, we’d be better off asking Anna Wintour.
    If we're looking for a British politico who is used to high society, surely its got to be Gove.
    Can you feel a little Gove? ;)
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,344

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Unfunded tax cuts. Didn't Liz Truss try that?
  • Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    10 Trillion of bullshit money. That's a lot of bullshit.
    That is a lot of bullshit
    Actually Trump has achieved 3 trillion today and expects 7 trillion by the end of the week

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,234

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.

    An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?

    He can't be very bright if so!
    Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
    Autism, the friendly name for Apergers

    Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations

    In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
    No it isn't.
    Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD.
    There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum.
    That's why it's a spectrum.
    And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse".
    Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
    There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.

    "Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1
    Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024


    One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944#:~:text=Asperger's syndrome was named after an Austrian
    Indeed.
    It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
    Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.

    I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

    My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
    Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.

    Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.

    Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
    Plus being the richest man in the world and founding the biggest electric car business in the world and sending a few spaceships into space and buying and using for one's own ends a big social media company also seems to suit at least one one the spectrum
    You will be pleased Boris was in attendance at the ceremony and Churchill's bust is back in the White House

    Seems Farage was left out in the cold !!!!
    I’m not sure this is the snub it is being assumed.

    Surely an ex-PM, especially one with whom Trump had a prior relationship, outranks the leader of party with 5 seats in parliament?
    *Owner.

    Outside of that - I was watching a guy leaf-blow his way around the local park this morning and wishing he was in charge of all the things. Very few 'spiv' vibes.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Touched a nerve ?

    The truth hurts
    It really doesn’t. I didn’t vote Labour for them to indulge in Trumpian nonsense
    Business provides the wealth to fund our public services
    Yes, and?

    If there was money to be made then this capital would have been invested regardless of whether Trump was in power or not. You are drinking the kool aid already and it’s only day 2.

    Britain should invest its own wealth in its own business and infrastructure not whore itself out to the dregs of humanity
  • Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Touched a nerve ?

    The truth hurts
    It really doesn’t. I didn’t vote Labour for them to indulge in Trumpian nonsense
    Business provides the wealth to fund our public services
    Yes, and?

    If there was money to be made then this capital would have been invested regardless of whether Trump was in power or not. You are drinking the kool aid already and it’s only day 2.

    Britain should invest its own wealth in its own business and infrastructure not whore itself out to the dregs of humanity
    You do not get it
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912
    edited January 21

    If the tariffs against Canada and Mexico are actually put in place and inflation does soar, what does Trump actually do? Claim it’s the Dem’s fault?

    It’s all those Mexicans’ fault. Sent us their bad prices, steal our savings rape our wallets

    Or something like that
    Mexico and Canada need the US market to sell into. They will have to squeeze their profit margins to remain price competitive with domestic US producers.
    The Canadian trade surplus with the US is entirely oil & gas.

    Their total trade surplus is $41bn.

    And oil and gas exports to the US were $152bn.

    So oil and gas accounts for 350% of the surplus.

    Which is weird if you don't know the oil and gas industry, because the US is self sufficient in oil and gas... and yet imports $152bn worth of the stuff from Canada.

    This is because the real world is complex.

    The gulf coast refinery system is almost entirely set up to deal with heavy crude. Historically, the US imported this from Venezuela. But then the Keystone pipeline came along, and instead Canada provided heavy oil rather than Venezuela.

    So, the US imports heavy crude from Canada... while exporting lighter crude oil, NGLs, and middle distillate from the Permian basin to the UK and Europe.

    The Gulf coast refining complex is not going to be refitted to process light crudes, because (a) it would take 18 months to refit refineries, during which time they would be making zero dollars, and (b) the margins on that are terrible compared to heavy crudes. So what will happen is that the US will now import Venezuelan crude rather than Canadian crude.

    The consequence will be - therefore - that the US's trade deficit with Canada will disappear, but a new massive trade deficit with Venezuela will appear.

    And because Venezuelan crude will be slightly more expensive than Canadian crude, the overall US trade deficit will worsen. (And petrol in the South of the US will be slightly more expensive.)
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    edited January 21

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Touched a nerve ?

    The truth hurts
    It really doesn’t. I didn’t vote Labour for them to indulge in Trumpian nonsense
    Business provides the wealth to fund our public services
    Yes, and?

    If there was money to be made then this capital would have been invested regardless of whether Trump was in power or not. You are drinking the kool aid already and it’s only day 2.

    Britain should invest its own wealth in its own business and infrastructure not whore itself out to the dregs of humanity
    You do not get it
    Your generation’s Ronald Reagan neoliberalism has failed and the answer is either Trump cronyism or something else. Apparently you favour the cronyism.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,348

    Yokes said:

    I had the joy of listening to Starmer whilst driving into work this morning and all I could think was, 'naw mate'

    1. New form of terrorism. Really?, a lone attack who appears to have been inspired/connected in some way by some cause? Its been the pattern of most attacks in the last 10 years sunshine, where you been? Is not new.

    2. This inquiry with pre-ordained conclusions already (the system failed according to government ministers) is deflection. Blame the system and some bods at a lower level when in fact the system makes mistakes which is not the same thing as failing. The volume of stuff that things like. Prevent, security services, the police and so on process an enormous of raw data, you are not going to get it all right in your analysis or indeed your reaction to it.

    3. What seems to be the case is there was, at the time of these events, a mobilisation within some elements of the state and perhaps within the media to try to deny what has actually come out as having credence. The government could have been definitive, it could have been clear that the perpetrator was UK born, it could have been clear on other elements of the case before charges were brought. You think the police didnt know they were investigating a terror link within a day or three? You think Axel wasnt communicating with others who had known links who may have encouraged him?

    3. What Starmer and his government did a Canute over was that the public on the ground did have some inaccurate information but also had some very accurate information. Do you know why they had such accurate information? Because those who knew what was going on live in the broader community. Plod, social services and so on. People talk. Why therefore some within government and the media sought so put a wall up was just the height of stupidity.

    This is going to leave a stink on Starmer in particular.

    You seem to blame everyone for the misinformation except those who were spreading the misinformation.
    The government and other parties had the ability to provide clear and correct information to deal with the parts of the story going round that were misinformation. They didnt, why not?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,830

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.

    An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?

    He can't be very bright if so!
    Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
    Autism, the friendly name for Apergers

    Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations

    In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
    No it isn't.
    Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD.
    There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum.
    That's why it's a spectrum.
    And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse".
    Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
    There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.

    "Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1
    Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024


    One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944#:~:text=Asperger's syndrome was named after an Austrian
    Indeed.
    It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
    Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.

    I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

    My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
    Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.

    Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.

    Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
    Plus being the richest man in the world and founding the biggest electric car business in the world and sending a few spaceships into space and buying and using for one's own ends a big social media company also seems to suit at least one one the spectrum
    You will be pleased Boris was in attendance at the ceremony and Churchill's bust is back in the White House

    Seems Farage was left out in the cold !!!!
    It never left the White House ...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,763
    MJW said:

    viewcode said:

    David Miliband lobbies for Mandelson's job as Trump team pressures PM to drop him

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-miliband-lobbies-mandelsons-job-trump-team-pressures-starmer-drop-him-3494262

    What is it with the Nu10k that think they can just waltz into a job with no demonstrated ability to do it? Give it to somebody who knows how to ambassador.
    A former foreign secretary is quite obviously qualified to be an ambassador having been the country's top diplomat.
    He hasn't been Foreign Secretary for a decade and a half, wasn't a notable success at it, wanted the leadership, lost, left in a fit of pique for a Nu10k job, then fifteen years later thinks he can waltz back in. No. Let the existing one stay on.
  • Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Touched a nerve ?

    The truth hurts
    It really doesn’t. I didn’t vote Labour for them to indulge in Trumpian nonsense
    Business provides the wealth to fund our public services
    Yes, and?

    If there was money to be made then this capital would have been invested regardless of whether Trump was in power or not. You are drinking the kool aid already and it’s only day 2.

    Britain should invest its own wealth in its own business and infrastructure not whore itself out to the dregs of humanity
    You do not get it
    Your generation’s Ronald Reagan neoliberalism has failed and the answer is either Trump cronyism or something else. Apparently you favour the cronyism.
    No - I never subscribed to the f..k business mantra and having created 2 businesses in my working life which provided well paid long term jobs for my employees many of whom are regarded as our friends today

    You create wealth by low business taxes and encourage wealth creation to the benefit of everyone
  • Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.

    An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?

    He can't be very bright if so!
    Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
    Autism, the friendly name for Apergers

    Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations

    In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
    No it isn't.
    Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD.
    There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum.
    That's why it's a spectrum.
    And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse".
    Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
    There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.

    "Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1
    Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024


    One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944#:~:text=Asperger's syndrome was named after an Austrian
    Indeed.
    It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
    Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.

    I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

    My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
    Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.

    Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.

    Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
    Plus being the richest man in the world and founding the biggest electric car business in the world and sending a few spaceships into space and buying and using for one's own ends a big social media company also seems to suit at least one one the spectrum
    You will be pleased Boris was in attendance at the ceremony and Churchill's bust is back in the White House

    Seems Farage was left out in the cold !!!!
    It never left the White House ...
    Oval Office then !!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 21
    Trump not too happy with the Episcopal Church Bishop of Washington's sermon at an interfaith prayer service at Washington Cathedral today

    https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-rebuked-by-bishop-as-she-tells-him-to-have-mercy-on-lgbt-community-and-immigrants-13293807
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    edited January 21

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Touched a nerve ?

    The truth hurts
    It really doesn’t. I didn’t vote Labour for them to indulge in Trumpian nonsense
    Business provides the wealth to fund our public services
    Yes, and?

    If there was money to be made then this capital would have been invested regardless of whether Trump was in power or not. You are drinking the kool aid already and it’s only day 2.

    Britain should invest its own wealth in its own business and infrastructure not whore itself out to the dregs of humanity
    You do not get it
    Your generation’s Ronald Reagan neoliberalism has failed and the answer is either Trump cronyism or something else. Apparently you favour the cronyism.
    No - I never subscribed to the f..k business mantra and having created 2 businesses in my working life which provided well paid long term jobs for my employees many of whom are regarded as our friends today

    You create wealth by low business taxes and encourage wealth creation to the benefit of everyone
    Yeah and you running a local business employing locals is a million billion light years away from the likes of Musk and Bezos

    The difference in scale is obscene and not remotely the same thing at all
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    rcs1000 said:

    If the tariffs against Canada and Mexico are actually put in place and inflation does soar, what does Trump actually do? Claim it’s the Dem’s fault?

    It’s all those Mexicans’ fault. Sent us their bad prices, steal our savings rape our wallets

    Or something like that
    Mexico and Canada need the US market to sell into. They will have to squeeze their profit margins to remain price competitive with domestic US producers.
    The Canadian trade surplus with the US is entirely oil & gas.

    Their total trade surplus is $41bn.

    And oil and gas exports to the US were $152bn.

    So oil and gas accounts for 350% of the surplus.

    Which is weird if you don't know the oil and gas industry, because the US is self sufficient in oil and gas... and yet imports $152bn worth of the stuff from Canada.

    This is because the real world is complex.

    The gulf coast refinery system is almost entirely set up to deal with heavy crude. Historically, the US imported this from Venezuela. But then the Keystone pipeline came along, and instead Canada provided heavy oil rather than Venezuela.

    So, the US imports heavy crude from Canada... while exporting lighter crude oil, NGLs, and middle distillate from the Permian basin to the UK and Europe.

    The Gulf coast refining complex is not going to be refitted to process light crudes, because (a) it would take 18 months to refit refineries, during which time they would be making zero dollars, and (b) the margins on that are terrible compared to heavy crudes. So what will happen is that the US will now import Venezuelan crude rather than Canadian crude.

    The consequence will be - therefore - that the US's trade deficit with Canada will disappear, but a new massive trade deficit with Venezuela will appear.

    And because Venezuelan crude will be slightly more expensive than Canadian crude, the overall US trade deficit will worsen. (And petrol in the South of the US will be slightly more expensive.)
    This prediction seems at odds with your statements about cheap solar and wind power in the gulf states.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,830

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.

    An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?

    He can't be very bright if so!
    Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
    Autism, the friendly name for Apergers

    Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations

    In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
    No it isn't.
    Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD.
    There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum.
    That's why it's a spectrum.
    And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse".
    Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
    There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.

    "Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1
    Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024


    One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944#:~:text=Asperger's syndrome was named after an Austrian
    Indeed.
    It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
    Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.

    I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

    My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
    Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.

    Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.

    Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
    Plus being the richest man in the world and founding the biggest electric car business in the world and sending a few spaceships into space and buying and using for one's own ends a big social media company also seems to suit at least one one the spectrum
    You will be pleased Boris was in attendance at the ceremony and Churchill's bust is back in the White House

    Seems Farage was left out in the cold !!!!
    It never left the White House ...
    Oval Office then !!
    Actually I checked. Apparently there are two of them!

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    There was some debate as to whether it was even a Nazi salute. I thought it was.

    An South African who spends a lot of time on far right Social Media didn't realise the meaning of the gesture?

    He can't be very bright if so!
    Very many commentators have made that very same point today that it must have been accidental due to his lack of self awareness. Autism again, I guess.
    Autism, the friendly name for Apergers

    Just like Alsations, the name was changed to avoid negative connotations

    In this case, the fact that Hans Asperger was apparently, a Nazi...
    No it isn't.
    Asperger's was a subset (a cluster) of ASD.
    There are more than 200 known genetic markers for the condition. You only need a handful to be on the spectrum.
    That's why it's a spectrum.
    And that's why it's incredibly varied. Hence "neurodiverse".
    Asperger's is just a high functioning (ie, valued in a Capitalist society) expression of one aspect.
    There is some truth in the Nazi bit though and it is no longer used as a result.

    "Asperger's syndrome was retired in 2013 with the publication of the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).1
    Barahona-Corrêa JB, Filipe CN. A concise history of Asperger syndrome: The short reign of a troublesome diagnosis. Front Psychol. 2016;6. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2015.02024


    One reason it was retired is that DSM authors wanted to avoid the misconception that Asperger’s was a different condition from autism. A second reason is that Hans Asperger was a Nazi and collaborated in the murder of children with disabilities under the Third Reich.2 Researchers and clinicians wanted to distance themselves from this horrible history and legacy."

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-asperger-syndrome-still-exist-259944#:~:text=Asperger's syndrome was named after an Austrian
    Indeed.
    It was the "friendly name for Autism" claim I was objecting to.
    Fair enough although I do recall when middle class people would very much more happily have admitted that their child had Asperger's rather than admitting that they were autistic.

    I saw a really good program on C4 catchup recently built around autism. It was called Patience. The main character worked in criminal records and her autism meant that she picked up patterns no one else noticed. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

    My eldest has an autism diagnosis although she is high functioning and it was fascinating seeing her traits shown in this way. One of the best examples is that she would plot out her conversations with people in advance in writing, something my daughter also does, and then get completely panicked the moment it went off script. It also didn't shy away from the limitations either.
    Yes, there certainly are jobs where being a high functioning autistic is of benefit. Security checks on baggage at airports is another. Repeated tasks are comforting rather than boring.

    Often Autistic people are very sensitive, so mortified when they realise they have inadvertently offended. It's almost the opposite of being rude.

    Around 15% of the population is neurodiverse to the point that it interferes to some degree with their social, psychological or emotional functioning.
    Plus being the richest man in the world and founding the biggest electric car business in the world and sending a few spaceships into space and buying and using for one's own ends a big social media company also seems to suit at least one one the spectrum
    You will be pleased Boris was in attendance at the ceremony and Churchill's bust is back in the White House

    Seems Farage was left out in the cold !!!!
    Farage wasn't a head or former head of government or state which was why he didn't make the cut to the Rotunda like Boris

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2003105/nigel-farage-breaks-silence-trump
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,122
    edited January 21
    Trump just said they have a 350 billion deficit with the EU and they are in for tariffs

    Also China, Canada and Mexico from the 1st February
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912

    rcs1000 said:

    If the tariffs against Canada and Mexico are actually put in place and inflation does soar, what does Trump actually do? Claim it’s the Dem’s fault?

    It’s all those Mexicans’ fault. Sent us their bad prices, steal our savings rape our wallets

    Or something like that
    Mexico and Canada need the US market to sell into. They will have to squeeze their profit margins to remain price competitive with domestic US producers.
    The Canadian trade surplus with the US is entirely oil & gas.

    Their total trade surplus is $41bn.

    And oil and gas exports to the US were $152bn.

    So oil and gas accounts for 350% of the surplus.

    Which is weird if you don't know the oil and gas industry, because the US is self sufficient in oil and gas... and yet imports $152bn worth of the stuff from Canada.

    This is because the real world is complex.

    The gulf coast refinery system is almost entirely set up to deal with heavy crude. Historically, the US imported this from Venezuela. But then the Keystone pipeline came along, and instead Canada provided heavy oil rather than Venezuela.

    So, the US imports heavy crude from Canada... while exporting lighter crude oil, NGLs, and middle distillate from the Permian basin to the UK and Europe.

    The Gulf coast refining complex is not going to be refitted to process light crudes, because (a) it would take 18 months to refit refineries, during which time they would be making zero dollars, and (b) the margins on that are terrible compared to heavy crudes. So what will happen is that the US will now import Venezuelan crude rather than Canadian crude.

    The consequence will be - therefore - that the US's trade deficit with Canada will disappear, but a new massive trade deficit with Venezuela will appear.

    And because Venezuelan crude will be slightly more expensive than Canadian crude, the overall US trade deficit will worsen. (And petrol in the South of the US will be slightly more expensive.)
    This prediction seems at odds with your statements about cheap solar and wind power in the gulf states.
    The US still has 272 million petrol and diesel vehicles on the road. They still need powering.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    10 Trillion of bullshit money. That's a lot of bullshit.
    That is a lot of bullshit
    "That is one big pile of shit!" - Dr. Malcolm.
  • Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Touched a nerve ?

    The truth hurts
    It really doesn’t. I didn’t vote Labour for them to indulge in Trumpian nonsense
    Business provides the wealth to fund our public services
    Yes, and?

    If there was money to be made then this capital would have been invested regardless of whether Trump was in power or not. You are drinking the kool aid already and it’s only day 2.

    Britain should invest its own wealth in its own business and infrastructure not whore itself out to the dregs of humanity
    You do not get it
    Your generation’s Ronald Reagan neoliberalism has failed and the answer is either Trump cronyism or something else. Apparently you favour the cronyism.
    No - I never subscribed to the f..k business mantra and having created 2 businesses in my working life which provided well paid long term jobs for my employees many of whom are regarded as our friends today

    You create wealth by low business taxes and encourage wealth creation to the benefit of everyone
    Yeah and you running a local business employing locals is a million billion light years away from the likes of Musk and Bezos

    The difference in scale is obscene and not remotely the same thing at all
    As a matter of interest have you ever run a business?
  • Trump - sanctions on Russia if they do not do a deal
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    edited January 21

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    Oh give over
    Touched a nerve ?

    The truth hurts
    It really doesn’t. I didn’t vote Labour for them to indulge in Trumpian nonsense
    Business provides the wealth to fund our public services
    Yes, and?

    If there was money to be made then this capital would have been invested regardless of whether Trump was in power or not. You are drinking the kool aid already and it’s only day 2.

    Britain should invest its own wealth in its own business and infrastructure not whore itself out to the dregs of humanity
    You do not get it
    Your generation’s Ronald Reagan neoliberalism has failed and the answer is either Trump cronyism or something else. Apparently you favour the cronyism.
    No - I never subscribed to the f..k business mantra and having created 2 businesses in my working life which provided well paid long term jobs for my employees many of whom are regarded as our friends today

    You create wealth by low business taxes and encourage wealth creation to the benefit of everyone
    Yeah and you running a local business employing locals is a million billion light years away from the likes of Musk and Bezos

    The difference in scale is obscene and not remotely the same thing at all
    As a matter of interest have you ever run a business?
    Stop changing the subject. I admire your businesses and your contribution to society, I am not anti business I am anti oligarchies and monopolies.

    I want British homegrown business to flourish again.
  • David Miliband lobbies for Mandelson's job as Trump team pressures PM to drop him

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-miliband-lobbies-mandelsons-job-trump-team-pressures-starmer-drop-him-3494262

    If we’re looking for a Brit who can operate seamlessly in American high society, we’d be better off asking Anna Wintour.
    What's Louise Mensch doing nowadays?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,487

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    BigG. I am astounded. You have drunk the Trump Koolade, although I think we are all excited about Musk replacing Starmer with Tommy Robinson.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,795

    Trump - sanctions on Russia if they do not do a deal

    Given that Russia isn’t exactly exporting much to anyone except India and China what does that achieve?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    eek said:

    Trump - sanctions on Russia if they do not do a deal

    Given that Russia isn’t exactly exporting much to anyone except India and China what does that achieve?
    A headline
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,348
    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010
    edited January 21
    In case anyone is interested in Stargate:

    The initial equity funders in Stargate are SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, and MGX. SoftBank and OpenAI are the lead partners for Stargate, with SoftBank having financial responsibility and OpenAI having operational responsibility. Masayoshi Son will be the chairman.

    Arm, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, and OpenAI are the key initial technology partners. The buildout is currently underway, starting in Texas, and we are evaluating potential sites across the country for more campuses as we finalize definitive agreements.


    My hunch is that the technology partners will do a lot better out of this deal than the equity funders.


  • Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    BigG. I am astounded. You have drunk the Trump Koolade, although I think we are all excited about Musk replacing Starmer with Tommy Robinson.
    I have no idea why you play the hard right card, which I utterly condemn

    My last paragraph is the pathway to our growth and funding our public services

    Indeed a very one nation conservative and I would add, joining the single market outside the EU would be sensible
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,487

    David Miliband lobbies for Mandelson's job as Trump team pressures PM to drop him

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-miliband-lobbies-mandelsons-job-trump-team-pressures-starmer-drop-him-3494262

    If we’re looking for a Brit who can operate seamlessly in American high society, we’d be better off asking Anna Wintour.
    Alexander Johnson? He's a born New Yorker too.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912

    Trump - sanctions on Russia if they do not do a deal

    Errr: there are already sanctions on Russia
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    Yokes said:

    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.

    The problem is that if there’s too many job vacancies then workers demand payrises and costs goes up and business demands immigration or complains about the youth not wanting to work.

    If there is too few job vacancies then payrises decrease or disappear and workers are miserable.

    What do we actually want, as a nation? We can’t have simultaneously low inflation, large pay growth, tons of jobs, no immigration, and tons of growth, yet that is apparently what the nation wants.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,487
    ...

    Trump - sanctions on Russia if they do not do a deal

    Hello, my name is Donald Trump and I have a bridge to sell you.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Trump - sanctions on Russia if they do not do a deal

    Errr: there are already sanctions on Russia
    Maybe Trump forgot
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883

    Yokes said:

    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.

    The problem is that if there’s too many job vacancies then workers demand payrises and costs goes up and business demands immigration or complains about the youth not wanting to work.

    If there is too few job vacancies then payrises decrease or disappear and workers are miserable.

    What do we actually want, as a nation? We can’t have simultaneously low inflation, large pay growth, tons of jobs, no immigration, and tons of growth, yet that is apparently what the nation wants.
    That's why Reeves is doing the right thing by taxing jobs. We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy and reduce low value-added employment.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited January 21
    Southport triple killer Axel Rudakubana researched self-driving car bombs

    One article detailing the use of car bombs by ISIS explained how they were 'an incredibly powerful and versatile weapon' that could 'cause unfathomable destruction in all sorts of environments'.

    The piece, written by a weapons expert in a journal about radicalisation, described how the terror group had designed self-driving cars with a 12-mile range with mannequins to hide the fact there was no driver.

    The teenager was also found to have researched 'electronic detonators' and 'strong nitric acid', The Times reported - citing sources - suggesting he was interested in putting his research to practical use.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14309379/Southport-triple-killer-Axel-Rudakubana-self-driving-car-bombs.html

    Police still can't work out if it was terrorism...
  • glw said:

    In case anyone is interested in Stargate:

    The initial equity funders in Stargate are SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, and MGX. SoftBank and OpenAI are the lead partners for Stargate, with SoftBank having financial responsibility and OpenAI having operational responsibility. Masayoshi Son will be the chairman.

    Arm, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, and OpenAI are the key initial technology partners. The buildout is currently underway, starting in Texas, and we are evaluating potential sites across the country for more campuses as we finalize definitive agreements.


    My hunch is that the technology partners will do a lot better out of this deal than the equity funders.
    I'm interested in it, so long as its led by Col O'Neill.
  • Yokes said:

    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.

    The problem is that if there’s too many job vacancies then workers demand payrises and costs goes up and business demands immigration or complains about the youth not wanting to work.

    If there is too few job vacancies then payrises decrease or disappear and workers are miserable.

    What do we actually want, as a nation? We can’t have simultaneously low inflation, large pay growth, tons of jobs, no immigration, and tons of growth, yet that is apparently what the nation wants.
    That's why Reeves is doing the right thing by taxing jobs. We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy and reduce low value-added employment.
    We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy by raising a tax the likes of Deliveroo are designed to dodge and taxing legitimate, steady, PAYE employment more instead?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,185
    The fundamental reason Trump is president is that people can feel in their bones that life today isn't as good as it was in the mid/late 1990s and they're annoyed about it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912

    Yokes said:

    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.

    The problem is that if there’s too many job vacancies then workers demand payrises and costs goes up and business demands immigration or complains about the youth not wanting to work.

    If there is too few job vacancies then payrises decrease or disappear and workers are miserable.

    What do we actually want, as a nation? We can’t have simultaneously low inflation, large pay growth, tons of jobs, no immigration, and tons of growth, yet that is apparently what the nation wants.
    That's why Reeves is doing the right thing by taxing jobs. We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy and reduce low value-added employment.
    It works in France. They have the highest taxes on employing people in the world.

    Of course, it's pretty fucking shit for people with limited skills who are priced out the market, but you can't have everything.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    rcs1000 said:

    Yokes said:

    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.

    The problem is that if there’s too many job vacancies then workers demand payrises and costs goes up and business demands immigration or complains about the youth not wanting to work.

    If there is too few job vacancies then payrises decrease or disappear and workers are miserable.

    What do we actually want, as a nation? We can’t have simultaneously low inflation, large pay growth, tons of jobs, no immigration, and tons of growth, yet that is apparently what the nation wants.
    That's why Reeves is doing the right thing by taxing jobs. We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy and reduce low value-added employment.
    It works in France. They have the highest taxes on employing people in the world.

    Of course, it's pretty fucking shit for people with limited skills who are priced out the market, but you can't have everything.
    Is there anyone in the UK with limited skills who is genuinely priced out?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,234

    ...

    Trump - sanctions on Russia if they do not do a deal

    Hello, my name is Donald Trump and I have a bridge to sell you.
    Does it go across the Thames? In which case I have a five-year consultancy gig to sell you in return. You need to provide some drawings at the end. Deal?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,487
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    The fundamental reason Trump is president is that people can feel in their bones that life today isn't as good as it was in the mid/late 1990s and they're annoyed about it.

    You do come up with some sweeping statements.

    One could argue that this is why Labour won the last election and Farage might win the next. Fortunately for the Republicans in the USA they can't lose the next election if there isn't a next election.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,487
    ohnotnow said:

    ...

    Trump - sanctions on Russia if they do not do a deal

    Hello, my name is Donald Trump and I have a bridge to sell you.
    Does it go across the Thames? In which case I have a five-year consultancy gig to sell you in return. You need to provide some drawings at the end. Deal?
    You do know I never pay on a contract.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,234

    rcs1000 said:

    Yokes said:

    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.

    The problem is that if there’s too many job vacancies then workers demand payrises and costs goes up and business demands immigration or complains about the youth not wanting to work.

    If there is too few job vacancies then payrises decrease or disappear and workers are miserable.

    What do we actually want, as a nation? We can’t have simultaneously low inflation, large pay growth, tons of jobs, no immigration, and tons of growth, yet that is apparently what the nation wants.
    That's why Reeves is doing the right thing by taxing jobs. We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy and reduce low value-added employment.
    It works in France. They have the highest taxes on employing people in the world.

    Of course, it's pretty fucking shit for people with limited skills who are priced out the market, but you can't have everything.
    Is there anyone in the UK with limited skills who is genuinely priced out?
    Unlike the French, we are blessed to have the House of Lords. Who don't show up on the welfare figures.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Compare Macmillan's oratory, even as an old man, with that of Starmer and Badenoch and Farage today

    https://x.com/LeeDavidEvansUK/status/1881761175538479457
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,188
    edited January 21

    Southport triple killer Axel Rudakubana researched self-driving car bombs

    One article detailing the use of car bombs by ISIS explained how they were 'an incredibly powerful and versatile weapon' that could 'cause unfathomable destruction in all sorts of environments'.

    The piece, written by a weapons expert in a journal about radicalisation, described how the terror group had designed self-driving cars with a 12-mile range with mannequins to hide the fact there was no driver.

    The teenager was also found to have researched 'electronic detonators' and 'strong nitric acid', The Times reported - citing sources - suggesting he was interested in putting his research to practical use.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14309379/Southport-triple-killer-Axel-Rudakubana-self-driving-car-bombs.html

    Police still can't work out if it was terrorism...

    No, it doesn't. If you're in the business of mass murder, reading the experts makes sense, regardless of your motivation.

    Far more people were killed in Cumbria/Hungerford/Dunblane, but we don't consider those terrorism. What's darkly ironic is the response to Southport, in particular the setting fire of asylum accomodation, is a better fit for the legal definition of terrorism than what set it all off.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    Interesting thread on the history of presidential pardons for terrorist offences:

    https://x.com/relevantmena/status/1881826203453313377
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited 12:02AM
    glw said:

    In case anyone is interested in Stargate:

    The initial equity funders in Stargate are SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, and MGX. SoftBank and OpenAI are the lead partners for Stargate, with SoftBank having financial responsibility and OpenAI having operational responsibility. Masayoshi Son will be the chairman.

    Arm, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, and OpenAI are the key initial technology partners. The buildout is currently underway, starting in Texas, and we are evaluating potential sites across the country for more campuses as we finalize definitive agreements.


    My hunch is that the technology partners will do a lot better out of this deal than the equity funders.
    Going to blow the UK crappy AMD based GPU (what a shit show) eco-friendly nonsense out the water.

    It rather sums to the state of the UK, that the much touted AI infrastructure investment is going to be hugely inferior tech stack.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,777
    viewcode said:

    MJW said:

    viewcode said:

    David Miliband lobbies for Mandelson's job as Trump team pressures PM to drop him

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-miliband-lobbies-mandelsons-job-trump-team-pressures-starmer-drop-him-3494262

    What is it with the Nu10k that think they can just waltz into a job with no demonstrated ability to do it? Give it to somebody who knows how to ambassador.
    A former foreign secretary is quite obviously qualified to be an ambassador having been the country's top diplomat.
    He hasn't been Foreign Secretary for a decade and a half, wasn't a notable success at it, wanted the leadership, lost, left in a fit of pique for a Nu10k job, then fifteen years later thinks he can waltz back in. No. Let the existing one stay on.
    I don't know if he should get the job, yes, it might be best to keep the current one on rather than have a high profile figure who attracts attention. But the point is he is more than qualified as someone who has acted as our top diplomat and ran a massive US NGO that co-ordinates with governments all the time.

    In normal times he would be an ideal choice given his relationships with US politicians, just Trumpworld's peculiarities mean it might be best to pick someone who is more of a blank state rather than someone they see as friendly with their political enemies.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,188

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    You're right. If only Reeves declared £1.5 trillion of unfunded investment at the budget then it would have all been fine. The markets would have loved that.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Eabhal said:

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    You're right. If only Reeves declared £1.5 trillion of unfunded investment at the budget then it would have all been fine. The markets would have loved that.
    Instead we got a black hole’s worth on carbon capture.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,188

    rcs1000 said:

    Yokes said:

    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.

    The problem is that if there’s too many job vacancies then workers demand payrises and costs goes up and business demands immigration or complains about the youth not wanting to work.

    If there is too few job vacancies then payrises decrease or disappear and workers are miserable.

    What do we actually want, as a nation? We can’t have simultaneously low inflation, large pay growth, tons of jobs, no immigration, and tons of growth, yet that is apparently what the nation wants.
    That's why Reeves is doing the right thing by taxing jobs. We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy and reduce low value-added employment.
    It works in France. They have the highest taxes on employing people in the world.

    Of course, it's pretty fucking shit for people with limited skills who are priced out the market, but you can't have everything.
    Is there anyone in the UK with limited skills who is genuinely priced out?
    In the short-term, no. The market wage for unskilled workers is higher than the NMW, if you don't count the shadow economy employing deliveroo e-bikers etc.

    In theory, the UK will come to emulate France over time as those jobs are innovated out of existence. Then we have our fabled productivity growth, but higher unemployment.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    RobD said:

    Eabhal said:

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    You're right. If only Reeves declared £1.5 trillion of unfunded investment at the budget then it would have all been fine. The markets would have loved that.
    Instead we got a black hole’s worth on carbon capture.
    Your regular reminder that the carbon capture scheme is a Tory government policy which Labour have simply adopted.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,763
    MJW said:

    viewcode said:

    MJW said:

    viewcode said:

    David Miliband lobbies for Mandelson's job as Trump team pressures PM to drop him

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/david-miliband-lobbies-mandelsons-job-trump-team-pressures-starmer-drop-him-3494262

    What is it with the Nu10k that think they can just waltz into a job with no demonstrated ability to do it? Give it to somebody who knows how to ambassador.
    A former foreign secretary is quite obviously qualified to be an ambassador having been the country's top diplomat.
    He hasn't been Foreign Secretary for a decade and a half, wasn't a notable success at it, wanted the leadership, lost, left in a fit of pique for a Nu10k job, then fifteen years later thinks he can waltz back in. No. Let the existing one stay on.
    I don't know if he should get the job, yes, it might be best to keep the current one on rather than have a high profile figure who attracts attention. But the point is he is more than qualified as someone who has acted as our top diplomat and ran a massive US NGO that co-ordinates with governments all the time.

    In normal times he would be an ideal choice given his relationships with US politicians, just Trumpworld's peculiarities mean it might be best to pick someone who is more of a blank state rather than someone they see as friendly with their political enemies.
    Fair point, thank you.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147

    RobD said:

    Eabhal said:

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    You're right. If only Reeves declared £1.5 trillion of unfunded investment at the budget then it would have all been fine. The markets would have loved that.
    Instead we got a black hole’s worth on carbon capture.
    Your regular reminder that the carbon capture scheme is a Tory government policy which Labour have simply adopted.
    Not the best excuse, especially since their selling point is that they are not the Tories.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Yokes said:

    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.

    The problem is that if there’s too many job vacancies then workers demand payrises and costs goes up and business demands immigration or complains about the youth not wanting to work.

    If there is too few job vacancies then payrises decrease or disappear and workers are miserable.

    What do we actually want, as a nation? We can’t have simultaneously low inflation, large pay growth, tons of jobs, no immigration, and tons of growth, yet that is apparently what the nation wants.
    That's why Reeves is doing the right thing by taxing jobs. We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy and reduce low value-added employment.
    It works in France. They have the highest taxes on employing people in the world.

    Of course, it's pretty fucking shit for people with limited skills who are priced out the market, but you can't have everything.
    Is there anyone in the UK with limited skills who is genuinely priced out?
    In the short-term, no. The market wage for unskilled workers is higher than the NMW, if you don't count the shadow economy employing deliveroo e-bikers etc.

    In theory, the UK will come to emulate France over time as those jobs are innovated out of existence. Then we have our fabled productivity growth, but higher unemployment.
    But not until the NMW + taxes is higher than the market demand.

    Reeves gets a lot of criticism, but you can see the logic behind a “tax on employment”.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,107
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Eabhal said:

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    You're right. If only Reeves declared £1.5 trillion of unfunded investment at the budget then it would have all been fine. The markets would have loved that.
    Instead we got a black hole’s worth on carbon capture.
    Your regular reminder that the carbon capture scheme is a Tory government policy which Labour have simply adopted.
    Not the best excuse, especially since their selling point is that they are not the Tories.
    And they managed to bin a number of policies on the grounds that they were proposed under a Conservative government.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Eabhal said:

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    You're right. If only Reeves declared £1.5 trillion of unfunded investment at the budget then it would have all been fine. The markets would have loved that.
    Instead we got a black hole’s worth on carbon capture.
    Your regular reminder that the carbon capture scheme is a Tory government policy which Labour have simply adopted.
    Not the best excuse, especially since their selling point is that they are not the Tories.
    Not an excuse. They need to revisit it.
    However you would be forgiven for thinking this is Ed Miliband’s personally conceived scheme if you listened to PB Tories.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,265

    RobD said:

    Eabhal said:

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    You're right. If only Reeves declared £1.5 trillion of unfunded investment at the budget then it would have all been fine. The markets would have loved that.
    Instead we got a black hole’s worth on carbon capture.
    Your regular reminder that the carbon capture scheme is a Tory government policy which Labour have simply adopted.
    That doesn't make it less stupid. It merely tells us that, much like the present Labour government, the last Tory government was also composed of morons. Not that this was exactly news - that's why they lost an election and are now third in the polls.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,188
    edited 12:30AM

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Yokes said:

    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.

    The problem is that if there’s too many job vacancies then workers demand payrises and costs goes up and business demands immigration or complains about the youth not wanting to work.

    If there is too few job vacancies then payrises decrease or disappear and workers are miserable.

    What do we actually want, as a nation? We can’t have simultaneously low inflation, large pay growth, tons of jobs, no immigration, and tons of growth, yet that is apparently what the nation wants.
    That's why Reeves is doing the right thing by taxing jobs. We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy and reduce low value-added employment.
    It works in France. They have the highest taxes on employing people in the world.

    Of course, it's pretty fucking shit for people with limited skills who are priced out the market, but you can't have everything.
    Is there anyone in the UK with limited skills who is genuinely priced out?
    In the short-term, no. The market wage for unskilled workers is higher than the NMW, if you don't count the shadow economy employing deliveroo e-bikers etc.

    In theory, the UK will come to emulate France over time as those jobs are innovated out of existence. Then we have our fabled productivity growth, but higher unemployment.
    But not until the NMW + taxes is higher than the market demand.

    Reeves gets a lot of criticism, but you can see the logic behind a “tax on employment”.
    I suspect this justification after the fact though. I don't get the sense this is a cunningly crafted tax on growth-stifling large employers of low wage workers, though the change to the employment allowance might hint at a "progressive" tax on large employers in the future...

    That would be great news for the UK's small businesses.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,188
    edited 12:32AM

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Eabhal said:

    Trump just announced 3 trillion of investment declared today and upto 7 trillion by the end of the week

    He said this is all at the expense of China

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Reeves

    Do not produce an anti growth jobs budget, scare away millionaires and non doms, but get them all to invest through tax breaks and welcome them with open arms

    You're right. If only Reeves declared £1.5 trillion of unfunded investment at the budget then it would have all been fine. The markets would have loved that.
    Instead we got a black hole’s worth on carbon capture.
    Your regular reminder that the carbon capture scheme is a Tory government policy which Labour have simply adopted.
    Not the best excuse, especially since their selling point is that they are not the Tories.
    Not an excuse. They need to revisit it.
    However you would be forgiven for thinking this is Ed Miliband’s personally conceived scheme if you listened to PB Tories.
    Or that Ed Miliband is the only thing stopping some sort of utopia where the UK runs on cheap, bountiful British gas which is somehow not influenced by world energy markets or geology:

    https://www.nstauthority.co.uk/media/9002/ss_and_dd_charts_feb_2023_v2.pdf
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    If Europe does nothing to counter Trump ‘we will be dominated, we will be crushed, we will be marginalised’ says French PM

    https://fortune.com/europe/2025/01/20/europe-does-nothing-to-counter-trump-we-will-be-dominated-crushed-marginalised-french-pm/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

    US President Donald Trump says he has signed a full and unconditional pardon for Ross Ulbricht, who operated Silk Road, the deep web marketplace where illegal drugs were sold.

    Ulbricht was convicted in 2015 in New York in a narcotics and money laundering conspiracy and sentenced to life in prison.

    Trump posted on his Truth Social platform that he had called Ulbricht's mother to inform her that he had granted a pardon to her son.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

    US President Donald Trump says he has signed a full and unconditional pardon for Ross Ulbricht, who operated Silk Road, the deep web marketplace where illegal drugs were sold.

    Ulbricht was convicted in 2015 in New York in a narcotics and money laundering conspiracy and sentenced to life in prison.

    Trump posted on his Truth Social platform that he had called Ulbricht's mother to inform her that he had granted a pardon to her son.

    Empire of Grift.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,185
    Interesting radio programme.

    "Shadow War: China and the West
    The History PodcastShadow War: China and the West
    Gordon Corera looks at the growing tensions between China and the West."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0hwrs2p
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,185

    If Europe does nothing to counter Trump ‘we will be dominated, we will be crushed, we will be marginalised’ says French PM

    https://fortune.com/europe/2025/01/20/europe-does-nothing-to-counter-trump-we-will-be-dominated-crushed-marginalised-french-pm/

    Maybe he should read this Matthew Syed article.

    "Scapegoating the US could be the final act of Europe’s delusional elite
    The continent’s leaders have overseen decades of failure while freeloading on America’s defence largesse"

    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/scapegoating-the-us-could-be-the-nal-act-of-europes-delusional-elite-9ztt9wn99
    https://archive.is/bF5Zm
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,668
    glw said:

    In case anyone is interested in Stargate:

    The initial equity funders in Stargate are SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, and MGX. SoftBank and OpenAI are the lead partners for Stargate, with SoftBank having financial responsibility and OpenAI having operational responsibility. Masayoshi Son will be the chairman.

    Arm, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, and OpenAI are the key initial technology partners. The buildout is currently underway, starting in Texas, and we are evaluating potential sites across the country for more campuses as we finalize definitive agreements.


    My hunch is that the technology partners will do a lot better out of this deal than the equity funders.
    SoftBank deals are divided into 2 types:

    1. Those done by the investment team, which are pretty good
    2. Those done by Son, which are not

    Guess which one this is?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    If Europe does nothing to counter Trump ‘we will be dominated, we will be crushed, we will be marginalised’ says French PM

    https://fortune.com/europe/2025/01/20/europe-does-nothing-to-counter-trump-we-will-be-dominated-crushed-marginalised-french-pm/

    Though of course China and Canada and Mexico will also be hit by Trump's tariffs, not just the EU. Combined their economies are bigger than the US economy now
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    Andy_JS said:

    If Europe does nothing to counter Trump ‘we will be dominated, we will be crushed, we will be marginalised’ says French PM

    https://fortune.com/europe/2025/01/20/europe-does-nothing-to-counter-trump-we-will-be-dominated-crushed-marginalised-french-pm/

    Maybe he should read this Matthew Syed article.

    "Scapegoating the US could be the final act of Europe’s delusional elite
    The continent’s leaders have overseen decades of failure while freeloading on America’s defence largesse"

    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/scapegoating-the-us-could-be-the-nal-act-of-europes-delusional-elite-9ztt9wn99
    https://archive.is/bF5Zm
    I don’t think Europe at large has been “freeloading” on the U.S.

    The U.S. has underpinned European security in order to maintain the “exorbitant privilege” of dollar hegemony.

    In exchange, Europe has very largely itself maintained its support for said hegemony and its various institutions.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654

    Yokes said:

    Somebody should take a look at the job figures for December, not very good.

    The problem is that if there’s too many job vacancies then workers demand payrises and costs goes up and business demands immigration or complains about the youth not wanting to work.

    If there is too few job vacancies then payrises decrease or disappear and workers are miserable.

    What do we actually want, as a nation? We can’t have simultaneously low inflation, large pay growth, tons of jobs, no immigration, and tons of growth, yet that is apparently what the nation wants.
    That's why Reeves is doing the right thing by taxing jobs. We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy and reduce low value-added employment.
    We need to clamp down on the Deliveroo economy by raising a tax the likes of Deliveroo are designed to dodge and taxing legitimate, steady, PAYE employment more instead?
    Err yes, are the likes of Deliveroo even affected by the employer NI changes ?!??

    This is a genuine q, I suspect the answer is no but I'd love to be wrong.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912

    glw said:

    In case anyone is interested in Stargate:

    The initial equity funders in Stargate are SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, and MGX. SoftBank and OpenAI are the lead partners for Stargate, with SoftBank having financial responsibility and OpenAI having operational responsibility. Masayoshi Son will be the chairman.

    Arm, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, and OpenAI are the key initial technology partners. The buildout is currently underway, starting in Texas, and we are evaluating potential sites across the country for more campuses as we finalize definitive agreements.


    My hunch is that the technology partners will do a lot better out of this deal than the equity funders.
    SoftBank deals are divided into 2 types:

    1. Those done by the investment team, which are pretty good
    2. Those done by Son, which are not

    Guess which one this is?
    Son was a big fan of the WeWork guy...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

    US President Donald Trump says he has signed a full and unconditional pardon for Ross Ulbricht, who operated Silk Road, the deep web marketplace where illegal drugs were sold.

    Ulbricht was convicted in 2015 in New York in a narcotics and money laundering conspiracy and sentenced to life in prison.

    Trump posted on his Truth Social platform that he had called Ulbricht's mother to inform her that he had granted a pardon to her son.

    I could understand Trump pardoning the guy for the drugs.

    But he also ordered a hit on someone, paying thousands of dollars for their murder.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,668
    rcs1000 said:

    glw said:

    In case anyone is interested in Stargate:

    The initial equity funders in Stargate are SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, and MGX. SoftBank and OpenAI are the lead partners for Stargate, with SoftBank having financial responsibility and OpenAI having operational responsibility. Masayoshi Son will be the chairman.

    Arm, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, and OpenAI are the key initial technology partners. The buildout is currently underway, starting in Texas, and we are evaluating potential sites across the country for more campuses as we finalize definitive agreements.


    My hunch is that the technology partners will do a lot better out of this deal than the equity funders.
    SoftBank deals are divided into 2 types:

    1. Those done by the investment team, which are pretty good
    2. Those done by Son, which are not

    Guess which one this is?
    Son was a big fan of the WeWork guy...
    The definition of chutzpah

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,185
    I'd be interested to know if there was ever a moment in American politics when abolishing the ability of presidents to award pardons was seriously considered.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,063
    Afternoon all from Aotearoa :)

    The evolution of the relationship between wealth, power and politics is fascinating. Money talks, as a wise man once said, and a lot of money buys a lot of words and a powerful voice. In the past, such voice was often not audible to the public but heard a lot behind the scenes. Those with wealth have always been able to gain access to those with power and either overtly or covertly influenced policy.

    The wealthy (and that includes powerful trade unions in the recent past) have never had a problem putting that view across and have traded on the politics of aspiration with great success. Cutting your taxes helps you - yes but it helps me rather more in quantative terms.

    One could argue the best way to a small fortune might be to start with a large fortune and vote Labour but wealth hasn’t been and isn’t always self motivated by any stretch. Victorian Liberal philanthropists built many schools and libraries and we know even now philanthropy is alive and well.

    The relationship between business and politics is also evolving - Trump has been a businessman, the current New Zealand Prime Minister, Christopher Luxon, was once the CEO of Air New Zealand and it’s the case as voters feel let down by what is perceived as a “political elite” out of touch with the realities of modern life, they look to other potential leaders.

    Running a Government isn’t the same as running a business, however. In business you can command and cajole, in politics you have to persuade and argue.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

    US President Donald Trump says he has signed a full and unconditional pardon for Ross Ulbricht, who operated Silk Road, the deep web marketplace where illegal drugs were sold.

    Ulbricht was convicted in 2015 in New York in a narcotics and money laundering conspiracy and sentenced to life in prison.

    Trump posted on his Truth Social platform that he had called Ulbricht's mother to inform her that he had granted a pardon to her son.

    Other Presidents phone up mothers to offer condolences their son has died in the service of their country.

  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,223
    edited 4:57AM

    Andy_JS said:

    If Europe does nothing to counter Trump ‘we will be dominated, we will be crushed, we will be marginalised’ says French PM

    https://fortune.com/europe/2025/01/20/europe-does-nothing-to-counter-trump-we-will-be-dominated-crushed-marginalised-french-pm/

    Maybe he should read this Matthew Syed article.

    "Scapegoating the US could be the final act of Europe’s delusional elite
    The continent’s leaders have overseen decades of failure while freeloading on America’s defence largesse"

    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/scapegoating-the-us-could-be-the-nal-act-of-europes-delusional-elite-9ztt9wn99
    https://archive.is/bF5Zm
    I don’t think Europe at large has been “freeloading” on the U.S.

    The U.S. has underpinned European security in order to maintain the “exorbitant privilege” of dollar hegemony.

    In exchange, Europe has very largely itself maintained its support for said hegemony and its various institutions.

    That's a baseless conspiracy theory.

    There's no evidence at all that Truman thought about the dollar at all when setting up the American presence in Europe, nor that subsequent American governments have spent trillions of dollars keeping troops there just to preserve their currency's role.

    They are there because the experience of the Second World War and Stalinist aggression and tyranny in Eastern Europe made it so obvious that totalitarian tyranny poses a mortal threat even to a country shielded by two huge oceans that even the most ignorant, isolated, parochial American had to realise that it would be cheaper and more certain to confront the Communists with allies before the Rhine rather than without them on the Atlantic seaboard.

    The global role of the dollar (whose benefit to America is wildly exaggerated anyway) owes nothing to the American military presence in Europe. Instead it is due to the size of America's economy and the depth and openness of her capital markets.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,857
    rcs1000 said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

    US President Donald Trump says he has signed a full and unconditional pardon for Ross Ulbricht, who operated Silk Road, the deep web marketplace where illegal drugs were sold.

    Ulbricht was convicted in 2015 in New York in a narcotics and money laundering conspiracy and sentenced to life in prison.

    Trump posted on his Truth Social platform that he had called Ulbricht's mother to inform her that he had granted a pardon to her son.

    I could understand Trump pardoning the guy for the drugs.

    But he also ordered a hit on someone, paying thousands of dollars for their murder.
    DPR is a bit of a poster boy for the crypto bros/libertarians and the Nerd Reich is now a key part of DJT's coalition.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,587
    rcs1000 said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

    US President Donald Trump says he has signed a full and unconditional pardon for Ross Ulbricht, who operated Silk Road, the deep web marketplace where illegal drugs were sold.

    Ulbricht was convicted in 2015 in New York in a narcotics and money laundering conspiracy and sentenced to life in prison.

    Trump posted on his Truth Social platform that he had called Ulbricht's mother to inform her that he had granted a pardon to her son.

    I could understand Trump pardoning the guy for the drugs.

    But he also ordered a hit on someone, paying thousands of dollars for their murder.
    So much for capital punishment of drug dealers, this one gets a pardon.

    Seemingly because it's payback for Libertarian votes.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3lgc45jdtvk2n

    Welcome to the gangster state run on patronage.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,291
    edited 6:19AM
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all from Aotearoa :)

    The evolution of the relationship between wealth, power and politics is fascinating. Money talks, as a wise man once said, and a lot of money buys a lot of words and a powerful voice. In the past, such voice was often not audible to the public but heard a lot behind the scenes. Those with wealth have always been able to gain access to those with power and either overtly or covertly influenced policy.

    The wealthy (and that includes powerful trade unions in the recent past) have never had a problem putting that view across and have traded on the politics of aspiration with great success. Cutting your taxes helps you - yes but it helps me rather more in quantative terms.

    One could argue the best way to a small fortune might be to start with a large fortune and vote Labour but wealth hasn’t been and isn’t always self motivated by any stretch. Victorian Liberal philanthropists built many schools and libraries and we know even now philanthropy is alive and well.

    The relationship between business and politics is also evolving - Trump has been a businessman, the current New Zealand Prime Minister, Christopher Luxon, was once the CEO of Air New Zealand and it’s the case as voters feel let down by what is perceived as a “political elite” out of touch with the realities of modern life, they look to other potential leaders.

    Running a Government isn’t the same as running a business, however. In business you can command and cajole, in politics you have to persuade and argue.

    The Italians got fed up with their crooked cartel of professional politicians, and after tangentopoli turned to businessman Berlusconi who at the time was an outsider to the political system, who promised to upturn it. Which in many ways he did, but not to Italians’ benefit, and he certainly didn’t reduce the extent of corruption. Despite being a throroughly immoral and dishonest ego-merchant, he retains a following there even now.

    Two centuries running, Italy made it first to an emerging new form of politics…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 73,000
    .
    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    If Europe does nothing to counter Trump ‘we will be dominated, we will be crushed, we will be marginalised’ says French PM

    https://fortune.com/europe/2025/01/20/europe-does-nothing-to-counter-trump-we-will-be-dominated-crushed-marginalised-french-pm/

    Maybe he should read this Matthew Syed article.

    "Scapegoating the US could be the final act of Europe’s delusional elite
    The continent’s leaders have overseen decades of failure while freeloading on America’s defence largesse"

    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/scapegoating-the-us-could-be-the-nal-act-of-europes-delusional-elite-9ztt9wn99
    https://archive.is/bF5Zm
    I don’t think Europe at large has been “freeloading” on the U.S.

    The U.S. has underpinned European security in order to maintain the “exorbitant privilege” of dollar hegemony.

    In exchange, Europe has very largely itself maintained its support for said hegemony and its various institutions.

    That's a baseless conspiracy theory.

    There's no evidence at all that Truman thought about the dollar at all when setting up the American presence in Europe,...
    Postwar U.S. policy was very much about rebuilding economies for the US to trade with.
    Truman thought a great deal about the U.S. economy when determining policy towards both Europe and Japan.
    There was a powerful lobby to deindustrialise both Japan and Germany. Economics won that argument.


  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,257
    Andy_JS said:

    If Europe does nothing to counter Trump ‘we will be dominated, we will be crushed, we will be marginalised’ says French PM

    https://fortune.com/europe/2025/01/20/europe-does-nothing-to-counter-trump-we-will-be-dominated-crushed-marginalised-french-pm/

    Maybe he should read this Matthew Syed article.

    "Scapegoating the US could be the final act of Europe’s delusional elite
    The continent’s leaders have overseen decades of failure while freeloading on America’s defence largesse"

    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/scapegoating-the-us-could-be-the-nal-act-of-europes-delusional-elite-9ztt9wn99
    https://archive.is/bF5Zm
    Trump is reprehensible but it's clear that Europe are far more comfortable attacking him than they are China or Russia, which are much much worse.
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