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  • Utter bollocks from Twatter isn't "Secrets"

    Its utter bollocks multiplied by utter bollocks.

    Utter bollocks squared.
    Another one that’s been radicalised.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295

    Probably true but symptomatic of the decline of the country. We have allowed our great institutions to shrivel or be sold off in the name of competition and the 'free market'.
    Don't give a toss anymore. Britain as we knew it is gone. Just go into your town centre

    We need a revolution, if the BBC dies - well, that was gonna happen anyway. They even killed off Mastechef and Gregg Wallace

    Twats
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    Could mean the end of Strictly and the modern Dr Who though.

    That would be a travesty.
    If we had joined up thinking... keep the rights for world wide broadcast on new programs. The license fee becomes an online account available to anyone on the planet.

    There are enough people in the USA who would sign up for BBC branded content, alone, to pay for the whole thing. Especially with no adverts.

    So you could make subscriptions free to UK citizens.

    "The BBC - free for you. Paid for by furriners." - one hell of a pitch.

    And since no revenue from the UK, total independence from government. No license fee negotiations.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,919
    Leon said:

    Well, he is the most probable next Prime Minister, after Starmer, according to the bookies

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister-after-keir-starmer

    So, yeah, suck it up. He will get attention
    His MPs can all fit in a Tesla.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092

    link?
    WFA axe is one of the greatest unforced political errors in decades.

    It is all anyone remembers of Reeves budget even though it wasn't even in the budget but dropped out of the sky for no reason anyone sane can understand back in July.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,914

    link?
    It is in the Mail on Sunday but I think it is pay walled
  • Reform and the Tories must be positively toxic if SKS is this unpopular but Labour are still ahead.

    It rather suggests that if Sir Keir were replaced, they might do quite well next time around.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    Another one that’s been radicalised.
    No one more radical than me. You should see my ideas for reducing headcount in government.,....
  • If somebody posts the Mail link I can post it without a paywall
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092

    It is only by him being scrutinised that the public will come to their conclusions on him
    LOL. Laura K and scrutiny?

    Genuinely laughing.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    Which is a real bummer because the kids were so excited about playing in it in the morning.

    Drat.
    Snow. It has a remarkable ability to disappoint. By being too little or too much.

    It needs to be 8 inches overnight. Gone by teatime. A day off school. And work. Then fuck off.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541
    Wet sleet only in the south west. Where's my snow? With my luck at Gatwick on Tuesday...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,045
    Nigelb said:

    And is of course likely to make the LIDAR used in self driving cars massively cheaper.
    Can help reduce traffic jams too, by reducing other vehicles to melted piles of metal.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,914

    Labour polling 30%. Apparently the most unpopular government ever.

    All I can say, is sorry Elon.

    Very complacent, especially it you read the Supplementaries

    And 30% back Musk giving £80 million to Farage
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,919
    Leon said:

    Don't give a toss anymore. Britain as we knew it is gone. Just go into your town centre

    We need a revolution, if the BBC dies - well, that was gonna happen anyway. They even killed off MasterChef and Gregg Wallace

    Twats
    My town centre has improved vastly over recent years.
    Back in the day it was the setting of the notorious "Toilet Sale" TV advert for s1jobs.
  • Utter bollocks from Twatter isn't "Secrets"

    Its utter bollocks multiplied by utter bollocks.

    Utter bollocks squared.
    Is that the approved way to say no superinjunctions?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    Only luke warm sleet here in Midlands so far.

    I want my money back.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,430

    His MPs can all fit in a Tesla.
    If they all fit in a Tesla there could be fireworks...
  • Is that the approved way to say no superinjunctions?
    The only times that I've been banned by dictat from discussing certain topics are all under Slalom

    He has fucked up freedom of speech
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564

    Could mean the end of Strictly and the modern Dr Who though.

    That would be a travesty.
    Not only that - but the end of Red Button "Strictly Xtra" and the entire podcast series "Behind Strictly". And the whole team who write pieces for the 'news' website about who's possibly or not flirting with who on Strictly.

    I truly do have huge affection for the BBC, what they were. And have an understanding for how various governments have f**ked them over at the behest of Murdoch and his ilk. But they really do themselves no favours.

    I think the last flicker of favour I had for them faded when an amateur website I was a member of which tried to transfer old home-made cassette recordings of BBC radio drama's that were "lost" got a cease and desist from the Beeb. No amount of pleading would persuade them as to the national, cultural good - no offers of free time by license fee payers who wanted to help. Just shut the f**k up and stop or we'll send you to jail.

    Sorry for being so cynical tonight. But after reading this story https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0lg6151p32o and thinking "Oh, that sounds interesting", then finding no links to how to actually listen to it (I'd assumed R4 as they normally only promote their own audio stuff) have found it on Audible.

    To write 4-5 pages of content bigging up an audio drama, but not be able to even mention where you might listen to it says a lot about the current BBC, their snobbery, and also that they didn't commission it themselves.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,084
    edited January 4
    Highest share of the vote in 2025 with a BPC registered pollster in a GB wide poll for each of Lab, Con, LD, Reform.
    30/30/25/15
    Lowest share of the vote in 2025 with a BPC registered pollster in a GB wide poll for each of Lab, Con, LD, Reform.
    23/23/10/11
    Number of Reform MPs on 31/12/2025.
    5
    Number of Tory MP defectors to Reform in 2025.
    0
    Number of Westminster by-elections held in 2025.
    3
    Number of ministers to leave the Westminster cabinet during 2025.
    2
    Number of seats won by the AfD in the 2025 German Federal Election.
    130
    UK CPI figure for November 2025 (Nov 2024 = 2.6%).
    2.5%
    UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2025 (Year to Nov 2024 = £113.2bn).
    £100 Bn
    UK GDP growth in the 12 months to October 2025 (Oct 23 to Oct 24 = 1.3%).
    0.5%
    US growth annualised rate in Q3 2025 (Q3 2024 = 3.1%).
    3%
    EU growth Q3 2024 to Q3 2025 (2024 = 1.0%).
    1%
    USD/Ruble exchange rate at London FOREX close on 31/12/2025 (31/12/2024 = 114 USD/RUB).
    114
    The result of the 2025-2026 Ashes series (2023 series: Drawn 2–2)
    3-2 (Aus win)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,602

    Snow. It has a remarkable ability to disappoint. By being too little or too much.

    It needs to be 8 inches overnight. Gone by teatime. A day off school. And work. Then
    fuck off.
    8 inches in Kentucky last night.

    It melted this morning and have refrozen as ice. More snow forecast tonight

    Tomorrows going to be fun…
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295
    edited January 4
    rcs1000 said:

    Can help reduce traffic jams too, by reducing other vehicles to melted piles of metal.
    Can you please confirm, as @TSE seems oddly unwilling

    1. What is the situation re comments. Are we allowed to make them private, or not?

    2. If not, is that for everyone or just for a few of us, eg me, as @CorrectHorseBattery alleges?

    Thanks, because our membership of PB depends on these answers
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    Is that the approved way to say no superinjunctions?
    No, it's a way of saying that stuff off Twatter is always assumed to be bollocks. By rational people. Because it is a place where people post bollocks and other people post more bollocks in reply.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564

    Snow. It has a remarkable ability to disappoint. By being too little or too much.

    It needs to be 8 inches overnight. Gone by teatime. A day off school. And work. Then fuck off.
    You are an early 80s pr0n VHS, and I claim my five pounds.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564
    Leon said:

    Can you please confirm, as @TSE seems oddly unwilling

    1. What is the situation re comments. Are we allowed to make them private, or not?

    2. If not, is that for everyone or just for a few of us, eg me, as @CorrectHorseBattery alleges?

    Thanks, because our membership of PB depends on these answers
    .... Private comments?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    8 inches in Kentucky last night.

    It melted this morning and have refrozen as ice. More snow forecast tonight

    Tomorrows going to be fun…
    Isn't that what Bourbon is for?
  • No, it's a way of saying that stuff off Twatter is always assumed to be bollocks. By rational people. Because it is a place where people post bollocks and other people post more bollocks in reply.
    Are you not even remotely interested why Nick didn't even get a "thank you for your 50ish years service to the party" from Labour?

    He went from Chief Whip to nothing in a second

    With absolutely no announcement

    Is that not extremely weird?
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,378

    Could mean the end of Strictly and the modern Dr Who though.

    That would be a travesty.
    Disney will probably buy Who and have it run by LucasFilm. Fans moaning about RTD and Moffatt tell them all is forgiven and beg them to come back.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295
    edited January 4
    ohnotnow said:

    .... Private comments?
    Vanilla allows a commenter to make comments private or public. @TheScreamingEagles earlier turned off this facility, precisely for me - it is alleged - without telling me. He then claimed he did it for the good of the site, just forgot to tell me. Perhaps this is true, TSE works for the site without payment, and I acknowledge that sterling effort, without @TSE and @rcs1000 the whole oif PB would not exist, and likewise OGH before them

    Fair play, and gratitude to them

    But I need clarity. I need to know if this facility is gonna be available or not, and whether it will be switched on or off at the whim of moderators. I accept that there are tech-geek ways around this, anyway, nonetheless for some of us it is a valued functionality. All we want is the situation elucidated

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    Leon said:

    Can you please confirm, as @TSE seems oddly unwilling

    1. What is the situation re comments. Are we allowed to make them private, or not?

    2. If not, is that for everyone or just for a few of us, eg me, as @CorrectHorseBattery alleges?

    Thanks, because our membership of PB depends on these answers
    I can't see anything in settings that allows me to make my comment history private.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    Leon said:

    Can you please confirm, as @TSE seems oddly unwilling

    1. What is the situation re comments. Are we allowed to make them private, or not?

    2. If not, is that for everyone or just for a few of us, eg me, as @CorrectHorseBattery alleges?

    Thanks, because our membership of PB depends on these answers
    Your comments are visible to and searchable by Google.

    The "private" thing has absolutely no effect. Either way.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    Leon said:

    Vanilla allows a commenter to make comments private or public. @TheScreamingEagles earlier turned off this facility, precisely for me - it is alleged - without telling me. He then claimed he did it for the good of the site, just forgot to tell me. Perhaps this is true, TSE works for the site without payment, and I acknowledge that sterling effort, without @TSE and @rcs1000 the whole oif PB would not exist, and likewise OGH before them

    Fair play, and gratitude to them

    But I need clarity. I need to know if this facility is gonna be available or not, and whether it will be switched on or off at the whim of moderators. I accept that there are tech-geek ways around this, anyway, nonetheless for some of us it is a valued functionality. All we want is the situation elucidated

    All comments will be public for all posters.

    The default status is for all comments to be public.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541
    My profile says I have 2.8k likes and two "Trolls". Is that the same as "flagged"?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295

    All comments will be public for all posters.

    The default status is for all comments to be public.
    Thanks. Is this the agreed position between you and @rcs1000, for final confirmation?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    All comments will be public for all posters.

    The default status is for all comments to be public.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=site:politicalbetting.com+"leon"

    The private feature has little or no meaning.

    I could trivially write a site scrapper that would download all comments and their context and index them by author, thread etc. Going back to 2013, at least.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    edited January 4

    The only times that I've been banned by dictat from discussing certain topics are all under Slalom

    He has fucked up freedom of speech
    No, PB has operated under this approach long before Starmer.

    Inter alia the private lives of David Cameron, George Osborne, and Boris Johnson, Alex Salmond’s trial, and the phone hacking story/trials are examples of this approach.

    In short if you want to post about stuff that the mainstream media aren’t picking up stuff from social media then PB isn’t the place for that, post elsewhere.

    Edit - See also Lord McAlpine.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,233
    Leon said:

    Can you please confirm, as @TSE seems oddly unwilling

    1. What is the situation re comments. Are we allowed to make them private, or not?

    2. If not, is that for everyone or just for a few of us, eg me, as @CorrectHorseBattery alleges?

    Thanks, because our membership of PB depends on these answers
    The forecast is unsettled with light outbreaks of flouncing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    Leon said:

    Thanks. Is this the agreed position between you and @rcs1000, for final confirmation?
    I am formulating this as part of the wider changes PB needs to enact for the Online Safety Bill.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295

    I am formulating this as part of the wider changes PB needs to enact for the Online Safety Bill.
    Thanks. Is this the agreed position between you and @rcs1000, for final confirmation?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,602


    Isn't that what Bourbon is for?
    Even better with bourbon…

    Although o try not to drink my calories
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    carnforth said:

    My profile says I have 2.8k likes and two "Trolls". Is that the same as "flagged"?

    There was a troll reaction button but that got removed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313
    .

    https://www.google.com/search?q=site:politicalbetting.com+"leon"

    The private feature has little or no meaning.

    I could trivially write a site scrapper that would download all comments and their context and index them by author, thread etc. Going back to 2013, at least.
    Please. I would like to write an AI bot that mimics certain posters. ;)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    RobD said:

    .

    Please. I would like to write an AI bot that mimics certain posters. ;)
    No.

    If I do it, it will be to train zillions of bots who will advance my cause to be President of Ze Vurld.

    Yes, I read Enders Game.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560

    Do you honestly think Starmer is more hated than Blair was after Iraq?
    Sorry, got called away earlier than expected before lunch and never made it back, but just in case you're still here:

    Actually, yes I do. Post-Iraq Blair was mostly despised by the left. Starmer is currently hated by both left and right. Perhaps not at the same intensity, but I'm not sure that's relevant, beyond a certain point, deeper hatred doesn't matter electorally.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092

    All comments will be public for all posters.

    The default status is for all comments to be public.
    Can someone explain what a "private" comment means in the context of this site? Because I just don't get it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541
    Driver said:

    Sorry, got called away earlier than expected before lunch and never made it back, but just in case you're still here:

    Actually, yes I do. Post-Iraq Blair was mostly despised by the left. Starmer is currently hated by both left and right. Perhaps not at the same intensity, but I'm not sure that's relevant, beyond a certain point, deeper hatred doesn't matter electorally.
    Starmer will be more pitied than hated.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541

    There was a troll reaction button but that got removed.
    Ta.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414

    Can someone explain what a "private" comment means in the context of this site? Because I just don't get it.
    So if you go to someone’s profile you can see all their comments, changing the profile to public hides the comments from the profile.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,410
    Fishing said:

    Eh? Roads don't get stuck in endless red tape and inquiries too? Spreadsheet models exist for a reason. I have spent most of my career developing them and I'm well aware of their strengths and weaknesses. If you want to argue that, as applied by the government, they don't capture some economic or financial benefits of investing in the north for some reason, fine. I don't see any myself, but I'm happy to be convinced. But until that happens, it's pretty obvious where the best opportunities for transport infrastructure investment are in this country, which was sort of the original post I responded to.

    Our real failure is not failing to invest (waste money on) the unproductive north, it's not allowing the south-east to flourish, but strangling it with ridiculous green belts so that people from hopeless, drug and alcohol infested welfare ghettos in the north can't afford to move south where they would be much more productive, lumbering it with ridiculously high taxes to fund those ghettos and wasting money on garbage like HS2 instead of road and mass transit projects where they are most productive.
    I'm sure northern England would love for all its addicts, criminals, layabouts and other unproductive people to move to south-eastern England.

    Why you think they would suddenly become productive people or why the south-east would want them is a mystery to me.

    Are you aware that London already has the highest unemployment rate of any region of the UK ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313

    Can someone explain what a "private" comment means in the context of this site? Because I just don't get it.
    Al ir means is when you click on someone’s handle it gives you an error page saying the profile is private.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    So if you go to someone’s profile you can see all their comments, changing the profile to public hides the comments from the profile.
    But doesn't hide the comments from a Google search, say

    https://www.google.com/search?q=site:politicalbetting.com+"leon"
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,045

    https://www.google.com/search?q=site:politicalbetting.com+"leon"

    The private feature has little or no meaning.

    I could trivially write a site scrapper that would download all comments and their context and index them by author, thread etc. Going back to 2013, at least.
    If you use VF.politicalbetting.com it does an even better job of finding old comments
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    RobD said:

    Al ir means is when you click on someone’s handle it gives you an error page saying the profile is private.
    Thanks. The comments are not 'private' then - they are on the site for all the world to see in the context of the threads they were posted in. Just not in one handy place under a profile.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    Now snow in my bit of midlands.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    rcs1000 said:

    If you use VF.politicalbetting.com it does an even better job of finding old comments
    But with a limited past - one hundred pages, IIRC
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,698
    Leon said:

    Don't give a toss anymore. Britain as we knew it is gone. Just go into your town centre

    We need a revolution, if the BBC dies - well, that was gonna happen anyway. They even killed off Mastechef and Gregg Wallace

    Twats
    The BBC has brought about its own denise with primary school level inanity and mediocrity. It hasn't been destroyed by outside forces.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092
    carnforth said:

    Ta.
    Elon Musk 25,000,000.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295
    rcs1000 said:

    If you use VF.politicalbetting.com it does an even better job of finding old comments
    So, can we have an answer, Enuff. Are we allowed public or private. If you and @TSE are agreed, so be it
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    Leon said:

    So, can we have an answer, Enuff. Are we allowed public or private. If you and @TSE are agreed, so be it
    I’ll keep saying it - it makes no practical difference. The comments are publicly available and searchable either way.
  • I recall at least one user saying they would not be happy if private profiles were removed. But I can’t really see the issue except trying to hide what comments you’ve made before.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008

    Very complacent, especially it you read the Supplementaries

    And 30% back Musk giving £80 million to Farage
    It’s hardly complacency if “most unpopular ever” incendiary headlines are derived only from the polling right now of numerous partys with good percentages, being compared to a mountain of polling history that was two party or three at a push.

    Reform are little more than “none of the above” and “none of the above” only so high because of cost of living squeeze in recent years.

    There should be some great books written about the post covid years shredding of incomes. How did it happen? Were politicians doing the wrong things and asacerbating the problem? If so, was that because economists were no where quick enough to see it coming?

    There’s a polling bottom line here, polling on one hand, voting blocks on the other - because this is what FPTP actually does the seat generators won’t tell you. How and why? some saluting pollsters with a party happy to help install MP from another party, others telling pollster a party name will in no way going to lend that vote to another party, even though on policy and rhetoric there is hardly a millimetre between them!
    Block 1 Lab 33.7% - 412 seats; LibDem 12.2% - 72 seats; Green 6.7% - 4 seats.
    Block 2 Conservatives 23.7% - 121 seats.
    Block 3 Reform 14.3% - 5 seats.

    So we expect a shit stirring front page from MoS, but “polling shows Starmer out within a year” is a laughably weak effort. For Starmer not to lead Labour into the next election, Labour will have to poll an awful lot lower than they currently are, and even then it will be called traditional mid term blues with Swingback just around the corner.

    I think the actual complacency is coming from those who don’t believe Labour will do anything over four and a half years to build an impression of experience and competency, that will be an advantage over the opposition parties on May 3rd 2029. So it’s “Who would make the best PM” and “who do you trust most with the economy questions” that’s the only indicative polling we have in the coming years - unless all we are interested in using polling for is MoS style wind ups. 😇
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,226
    edited January 5
    Gardenwalker - Thanks for your thoughts on investors and the Loser.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    edited January 5

    The only times that I've been banned by dictat from discussing certain topics are all under Slalom

    He has fucked up freedom of speech
    The Online Safety Bill happened under the Tories. May mainly afaicr.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    I recall at least one user saying they would not be happy if private profiles were removed. But I can’t really see the issue except trying to hide what comments you’ve made before.

    That ship has sailed. The comments are public and on the web. They have been assimilated into all the AIs and other databases out there. And most of all into all the search engines.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    Labour polling 30%. Apparently the most unpopular government ever.

    All I can say, is sorry Elon.

    Labour at Ed Miliband 2015 levels less than a year after winning a general election is not much to shout about
  • HYUFD said:

    Labour at Ed Miliband 2015 levels less than a year after winning a general election is not much to shout about
    The Tories are 7 points BEHIND! So what does that make them? The worst opposition in history?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    Now snow in my bit of midlands.

    Snowing in Essex too on the way back from the Royal Opera House
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,877
    edited January 5

    That ship has sailed. The comments are public and on the web. They have been assimilated into all the AIs and other databases out there. And most of all into all the search engines.
    If you post anything on the internet you must expect it to remain out there pretty much forever in one form or another.

    Unless you have _very_ deep pockets. And even then.

    Its amazing how many people don't get this.
  • That ship has sailed. The comments are public and on the web. They have been assimilated into all the AIs and other databases out there. And most of all into all the search engines.
    You’re right but it’s slightly more trivial to find them on this site, only slightly.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541
    Quote in a Tim Shipman piece in the Sunday Times:

    "The cabinet is also inexperienced. "The only minister who really knows how to work the system and get officials delivering what he wants is Ed Miliband, who has been there before," a colleague said of the climate-crusading energy secretary. "And Ed is the one minister we don't want to be a success if we want to win the next election."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    If you post anything on the internet you must expect it to remain out there pretty much forever in one form or another.

    Unless you have _very_ deep pockets. And even then.

    Its amazing how many people don't get this.
    It's a thing to think of - the search engine databases will be updated, transferred and kept. Forever.

    10,000 years from now all the @SeanT's will squeak about AI. Under strange suns, in cathedrals of adamant and titanium in the darkness between the stars.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    The Tories are 7 points BEHIND! So what does that make them? The worst opposition in history?
    Only because Reform are on 22%, combined the Tories and Reform are on 45%
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    If you post anything on the internet you must expect it to remain out there pretty much forever in one form or another.

    Unless you have _very_ deep pockets. And even then.

    Its amazing how many people don't get this.
    Look I was drunk ok, and I genuinely didn’t think the tights could be seen through in that light.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    biggles said:

    Look I was drunk ok, and I genuinely didn’t think the tights could be seen through in that light.
    "The pics are all AI fakes" - dude, get with the 2020s....
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,347

    It's a thing to think of - the search engine databases will be updated, transferred and kept. Forever.

    10,000 years from now all the @SeanT's will squeak about AI. Under strange suns, in cathedrals of adamant and titanium in the darkness between the stars.
    PB is certainly crawled by the Internet Archive and probably by the British Library’s own archiving project. At one point there was also a rumour that google kept everything forever.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,485
    Quote from the Times piece: Starmer discovered, “within days of entering No 10”, that “there was no plan”.

    https://x.com/robinson_ip/status/1875666011250413814
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313

    Quote from the Times piece: Starmer discovered, “within days of entering No 10”, that “there was no plan”.

    https://x.com/robinson_ip/status/1875666011250413814

    No wonder it has been a disaster.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135

    WFA axe is one of the greatest unforced political errors in decades.

    It is all anyone remembers of Reeves budget even though it wasn't even in the budget but dropped out of the sky for no reason anyone sane can understand back in July.
    The Winter Fuel Allowance cut is the reason that Labour were able to have a budget that borrowed lots of extra money to spend on the NHS, and the financial market reaction wasn't, "oh, no, not a-fucking-gain," but a more measured, "well, if you're sure."

    The point being that it signals a willingness to court unpopularity to balance the budget, should that be necessary in the future. The financial markets are thus confident, for now, that they will get back the huge sums of money being leant to the government. This is quite the contrast with Truss, who told all and sundry that she would buck the market, to which the obvious reaction was, "lol, no."
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    Quote from the Times piece: Starmer discovered, “within days of entering No 10”, that “there was no plan”.

    https://x.com/robinson_ip/status/1875666011250413814

    Finally, a government willing to have a go at “masterly inactivity”. I applaud them.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,563
    edited January 5
    Foss said:

    PB is certainly crawled by the Internet Archive and probably by the British Library’s own archiving project. At one point there was also a rumour that google kept everything forever.
    Unfortunately the BL's archive is still offline after a hacking attack a few months ago.

    PB web addresses take the form:

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/YYYY/MM/DD/

    Threads and comments for any particular date can be read by substituting the appropriate digits for the year, month and day.

    For example,

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/01/04/
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541
    biggles said:

    Finally, a government willing to have a go at “masterly inactivity”. I applaud them.
    Stability, innit.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,347

    Unfortunately the BL's archive is still offline after a hacking attack a few months ago.

    PB web addresses take the form:

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/YYYY/MM/DD/

    Threads and comments for any particular date can be read by substituting the appropriate digits for the year, month and day.

    For example,

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/01/04/
    I believe the BL crawler is still running even if the front end is down so hopefully there won’t be too many gaps.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    Probably true but symptomatic of the decline of the country. We have allowed our great institutions to shrivel or be sold off in the name of competition and the 'free market'.
    A lot of people dont think the bbc is a great institution however, its the channel you never bother with. Sort of like the shipping forecast, only of interest to a tiny few
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,955

    Quote from the Times piece: Starmer discovered, “within days of entering No 10”, that “there was no plan”.

    https://x.com/robinson_ip/status/1875666011250413814

    As I believe I pointed out more than once during the election campaign, "they don't know how to fly the plane". Boris had a glimmering. Truss had a plan, but it did not work. Sunak had no destination nor underlying theory. Neither does Starmer nor Badenoch. Farage may, though I doubt it's one I like nor want.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    No, PB has operated under this approach long before Starmer.

    Inter alia the private lives of David Cameron, George Osborne, and Boris Johnson, Alex Salmond’s trial, and the phone hacking story/trials are examples of this approach.

    In short if you want to post about stuff that the mainstream media aren’t picking up stuff from social media then PB isn’t the place for that, post elsewhere.

    Edit - See also Lord McAlpine.
    So if I have had a threesome with Kier starmer and angela rayner with photographic proof you don't want me to post about it unless the bbc etc find out?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,084

    The only times that I've been banned by dictat from discussing certain topics are all under Slalom

    He has fucked up freedom of speech
    Is Slalom a typo for Stuarmer ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,485
    Pulpstar said:

    Is Slalom a typo for Stuarmer ?
    Slalom S'Kier.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313
    Pagan2 said:

    So if I have had a threesome with Kier starmer and angela rayner with photographic proof you don't want me to post about it unless the bbc etc find out?
    Not really, no.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,045
    Pagan2 said:

    So if I have had a threesome with Kier starmer and angela rayner with photographic proof you don't want me to post about it unless the bbc etc find out?
    What! She told me I was the only one.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222
    RobD said:

    No wonder it has been a disaster.
    It could have been so much worse.

    He could have had a cunning plan.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,934
    ...
    HYUFD said:

    Only because Reform are on 22%, combined the Tories and Reform are on 45%
    So the RefCon Party is fifteen points ahead of Labour and not far behind their GE winning total? Who becomes leader? Farage or Badenoch or are we looking at an SDP/ Liberal arrangement?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,384
    Evening all from New Zealand :)

    There are obvious parallels between the rise of Reform and the SDP experience of 1981-82 though like most analogies it doesn’t stand up to close inspection.

    People desperate for something “different” latch on to anything new and project their desires onto it. Three quarters of those who joined the SDP in the first six months had never belonged to any political party, I suspect the figures for Reform will be higher.

    Many of those who joined the SDP had little or no idea as to its policies or aims - whether that’s true of those signing up to Reform I have no clue.

    What will Reform become? Will it become a genuine bottom-up political movement finding a niche in the British political scene possibly as the most culturally conservative of the main parties or, like the SDP, will it fail but its ideas suffuse and take over other parties?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,084
    biggles said:

    Finally, a government willing to have a go at “masterly inactivity”. I applaud them.
    If only. Reeves shot that fox with her NI hikes
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,384

    ...

    So the RefCon Party is fifteen points ahead of Labour and not far behind their GE winning total? Who becomes leader? Farage or Badenoch or are we looking at an SDP/ Liberal arrangement?
    @HYUFD continues in his ludicrous assumption all Reform voters are basically Conservatives when plenty of evidence suggests they aren’t.

    I can’t somehow see the once great Conservative Party agreeing to become the junior partner in a Reform-led coalition. The Tories have plenty of experience as to how that can turn out.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Quote from the Times piece: Starmer discovered, “within days of entering No 10”, that “there was no plan”.

    https://x.com/robinson_ip/status/1875666011250413814

    Err, shouldn’t Starmer have been the one in charge of the plan?

    Good luck to everyone in the UK and US with the winter weather today, reports and pictures don’t look too good. Stay safe.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited January 5

    If we had joined up thinking... keep the rights for world wide broadcast on new programs. The license fee becomes an online account available to anyone on the planet.

    There are enough people in the USA who would sign up for BBC branded content, alone, to pay for the whole thing. Especially with no adverts.

    So you could make subscriptions free to UK citizens.

    "The BBC - free for you. Paid for by furriners." - one hell of a pitch.

    And since no revenue from the UK, total independence from government. No license fee negotiations.
    Not just the US either, the whole English-speaking world and plenty of other places that want to be English-speaking.

    10m people paying $10/mo is $1.2bn/year, with almost infinite upside.

    They should have a big team of people working on the rights issues for as much of the archive as possible.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,994
    Pagan2 said:

    So if I have had a threesome with Kier starmer and angela rayner with photographic proof you don't want me to post about it unless the bbc etc find out?
    One would be able to question your taste...
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