All the commentary here about Meeks is rather Freudian.
He was, and so far as I can tell remains, utterly correct in his diagnosis of Brexit.
Not really.
It's only a few irreconcilables like you and him and Scott and Foxy that continue to be obsessed by Brexit.
The rest of us have moved on.
I’ve literally moved on, to the U.S.
Not the EU then?
I’d absolutely live in the EU (a diverse place), but right now the U.S. makes sense for my economic situation.
Which is fair, what's very worrying is that Europe (and I include Labour's UK in this) is become a retirement home for people who have found success elsewhere in the world because it is now actively hostile to wealth creation. The welfare states across Europe have created an entitlement culture and people think they are owed wealth transfers from successful people whether that's directly in the form of cash benefits or indirectly in the form of healthcare/education/state employment etc...
I don't know what the solution to this is, but the entitlement culture across Europe is bankrupting the continent, the UK included and it's become a negative spiral as we're having to increase tax to pay for it which further harms economic growth and the tax base and eventually we turn into Argentina.
I agree with all of this.
As ever the refrain I hear from American business people is very true - America innovated and Europe regulates. I think without the UK in the EU it's worse than ever, the regulations are stifling for EU companies now that there's no significant free market voice at the top table. I'm extremely worried that Starmer will sell out the nation to the EU which I hope that the next government will just undo on day one.
Beware of Americans high on their own supply!
Americans have never been entirely and increasingly are less (see OnlyLivingBoy’s post) “free market”.
The US is not at all shareholder friendly - the UK is the most shareholder friendly country.
The US is controlled by management interests
And yet US investors and shareholders took a 24% gain on the S&P in 2024 vs UK shareholders getting 5% on the FTSE100. Maybe, just maybe the regulator has taken things to far and companies that are beholden to shareholders make poor decisions on investment vs cash returns.
Take out the 7 top tech companies and the S&P is flat. The US is a leader in technology, largely thanks to defence funding
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
But here's the problem: that would not just be a trait seen just in immigration from Muslim countries; and many immigrants from Muslim countries do have a loyalty to the British state and people.
I'm married to one.
So events like this are used by racists to say: "This is what all Muslims are like," and then: "This is what all immigrants are like."
I just wonder, if a load of British immigrants - we could call them expats, it has a nice ring - went to a foreign country, say Spain and settled in a random place, say the Costa del Sol and decided to import British fish and chips, speak no Spanish and generally create a mini-Britain, would we be calling them not loyal to Spain and generally destroying their culture, taking over the country?
I think Spain would have every right to deport the lot of them if they became a nuisance.
I've spoken to people from there. They do cause a nuisance, the locals hate them, they have basically destroyed the culture and the Spanish basically see it as a "no go" area.
Sound familiar?
If they don't belong in Spain, what should happen to them? I say deport them.
What do you mean "don't belong"?
I'm happy to accept your definition:
"They do cause a nuisance, the locals hate them, they have basically destroyed the culture and the Spanish basically see it as a "no go" area."
Then I wonder why all of those going after Muslims don't seem to spend any time calling for these people to be deported. If you want to start that train then I will support you.
The issue is multiculturalism has completely failed as a model. Immigrants need to integrate into the host country, not import their own culture and establish it as a separate stream
Multiculturalism isn't just about immigrants. A lot of it is homegrown. Look at the cultures of Reform people verus LibDem people.
The model for monoculturalism is China, as the Tibetans and Uyghurs well know.
The upside is that there isn't the tension of "others" or any affront to ones culture. It's one big happy family with common values, in theory.
The downside is the loss of diversity of outlooks, of innovation, and also of the basic freedom to not conform and behave as you want as long as you don't harm others. (Harm is not the same as offend).
The Chinese model is working well, but at a cost. There are pros and cons.
The Chinese model is not a melting point (well maybe literally…)
It’s the imposition of Han culture on others.
The melting point approach is the optimal - take the best and emerge stronger.
Britain today is far better as a result of the Huguenots, the various waves of Jewish immigrants, the Normans, etc.
Everyone except the Romans. After all, what have the Romans ever done for us?
It's one of this great 'what if's' isn't it! What if William the Bastard had lost at Hastings and been driven back into the sea. Secondly, of course, if he'd lived, would he have tried again?
But if the Norman Conquest hadn't happened, then England would have been more like the Scandinavian countries.
Being conquered by Scandinavians made us less Scandinavian?
Counterfactuals are fun but there are lots of limits. 1066 and all that blinds us to the wafer thin claim to the throne that Harold had. Maybe it would be a better world if Malcolm and St Margaret (who did have a claim from a modern point of view) had got it.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
That's not true: he founded SpaceX all by himself, and I'd argue it's his most valuable asset.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
That's not true: he founded SpaceX all by himself, and I'd argue it's his most valuable asset.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
He is very good at some things and less good at others. Maybe extremely so. His cars seem OK if you like that sort of thing (I have family members who do) but neither his Martian nor earthly politics seems as reliable to me.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
The UK sent some of its citizens to prison for intemperate posts encouraging unrest, racism, and riot, after a wash of disinformation on Musk’s media co.
I don’t suppose prison sentences encourage the placing of outrageous posts. Could that be connected to a previous CPS leader being indirectly targeted?
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Musk owns 75%+ of the voting stock in SpaceX. He has always had complete control there.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
That's not true: he founded SpaceX all by himself, and I'd argue it's his most valuable asset.
He doesn't run it day to day.
Musk identifies the biggest problem a business has and works with the engineers until the problem is resolved He then repeats this 52 times a year. It is not 1950’s management by committee and report.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
That's not true: he founded SpaceX all by himself, and I'd argue it's his most valuable asset.
He doesn't run it day to day.
Musk identifies the biggest problem a business has and works with the engineers until the problem is resolved He then repeats this 52 times a year. It is not 1950’s management by committee and report.
One wonders where it’s all gone so wrong at Twitter.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
Tesla stock looks massively overpriced imo, but then it has done for some time! I love gambling relatively small amounts on politics, but when it comes to investing I just buy index funds...
“We’re entering this sort of parallel reality based on Musk’s ignorance of the thing he wants to talk about.”
Reflecting on over a decade writing about grooming gangs, @HugoRifkind explains why he’s not sure an inquiry into grooming gangs will provide any answers.
Answers are not what Musk and his fanbase want. They want 2 things. To damage Keir Starmer. To whip up hatred of Muslims. Both of these things being in the interests of their far right politics.
Heard it all now. Wanting to damage the most left wing PM of my lifetime means you are far right.
Unless you're very young, I'd question whether Starmer was to the left of Gordon Brown.
Does Musk issue dozens of tweets every day, and just occasionally takes a potshot at Starmer that we notice? Or is he for some reason really interested in the UK?
Would you question why Biden was interested in Ireland? It seems natural for people of British descent to question what is becoming of the mother country.
This is not Musk's 'mother country'. He has shown very little interest in the UK in the past, and has not invested heavily in this country.
You cannot say the same about Trump, for instance.
His mother's maiden name is Haldeman - apparently Swiss-German. His ancestors seem to have come from the US, Canada and South Africa and as far as I can tell you have to go some way back to find an English-born one. He hasn't lived or studied here. He's welcome to take an interest in this country but he's not one of us (as I think is evident from the absurd histrionic style with which he conducts himself - Wooster's response to Spode comes to mind).
I believe he identified as “British” South African, which would make sense. I agree that it’s strange though that he hasn’t seemed interested in the UK itself until very lately.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
But his politics is basement level. And that - sadly - is what he seems determined to share with us all.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
But his politics is basement level. And that - sadly - is what he seems determined to share with us all.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
That's not true: he founded SpaceX all by himself, and I'd argue it's his most valuable asset.
He doesn't run it day to day.
Musk identifies the biggest problem a business has and works with the engineers until the problem is resolved He then repeats this 52 times a year. It is not 1950’s management by committee and report.
One wonders where it’s all gone so wrong at Twitter.
Advertises are retuning to X. Fidelity, an X shareholder, have revalued there stock up to a $17bn valuation. User minutes on X are at an all time high.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
He is very good at some things and less good at others. Maybe extremely so. His cars seem OK if you like that sort of thing (I have family members who do) but neither his Martian nor earthly politics seems as reliable to me.
Exactly. Horses for courses.
Does Keir Starmer try to tell him how to fire up his rockets?
“We’re entering this sort of parallel reality based on Musk’s ignorance of the thing he wants to talk about.”
Reflecting on over a decade writing about grooming gangs, @HugoRifkind explains why he’s not sure an inquiry into grooming gangs will provide any answers.
Answers are not what Musk and his fanbase want. They want 2 things. To damage Keir Starmer. To whip up hatred of Muslims. Both of these things being in the interests of their far right politics.
Heard it all now. Wanting to damage the most left wing PM of my lifetime means you are far right.
Unless you're very young, I'd question whether Starmer was to the left of Gordon Brown.
Does Musk issue dozens of tweets every day, and just occasionally takes a potshot at Starmer that we notice? Or is he for some reason really interested in the UK?
Would you question why Biden was interested in Ireland? It seems natural for people of British descent to question what is becoming of the mother country.
This is not Musk's 'mother country'. He has shown very little interest in the UK in the past, and has not invested heavily in this country.
You cannot say the same about Trump, for instance.
His mother's maiden name is Haldeman - apparently Swiss-German. His ancestors seem to have come from the US, Canada and South Africa and as far as I can tell you have to go some way back to find an English-born one. He hasn't lived or studied here. He's welcome to take an interest in this country but he's not one of us (as I think is evident from the absurd histrionic style with which he conducts himself - Wooster's response to Spode comes to mind).
I believe he identified as “British” South African, which would make sense. I agree that it’s strange though that he hasn’t seemed interested in the UK itself until very lately.
I assumed he would t approve of self-ID?
He isn't a British South African
He's a full on extreme Dutch Reform Afrikanner. The bastards that fisted Apartheid White Supremacy on a great nation
Parasites like Thatcher may have supported that, no decent human being could.
FFS let's not excuse and allow this utter runt of 100% white supremisist DNA to associate with the UK
Evidence why and when his father left South Africa.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
“We’re entering this sort of parallel reality based on Musk’s ignorance of the thing he wants to talk about.”
Reflecting on over a decade writing about grooming gangs, @HugoRifkind explains why he’s not sure an inquiry into grooming gangs will provide any answers.
Answers are not what Musk and his fanbase want. They want 2 things. To damage Keir Starmer. To whip up hatred of Muslims. Both of these things being in the interests of their far right politics.
Heard it all now. Wanting to damage the most left wing PM of my lifetime means you are far right.
Unless you're very young, I'd question whether Starmer was to the left of Gordon Brown.
Does Musk issue dozens of tweets every day, and just occasionally takes a potshot at Starmer that we notice? Or is he for some reason really interested in the UK?
Would you question why Biden was interested in Ireland? It seems natural for people of British descent to question what is becoming of the mother country.
This is not Musk's 'mother country'. He has shown very little interest in the UK in the past, and has not invested heavily in this country.
You cannot say the same about Trump, for instance.
His mother's maiden name is Haldeman - apparently Swiss-German. His ancestors seem to have come from the US, Canada and South Africa and as far as I can tell you have to go some way back to find an English-born one. He hasn't lived or studied here. He's welcome to take an interest in this country but he's not one of us (as I think is evident from the absurd histrionic style with which he conducts himself - Wooster's response to Spode comes to mind).
I believe he identified as “British” South African, which would make sense. I agree that it’s strange though that he hasn’t seemed interested in the UK itself until very lately.
I assumed he would t approve of self-ID?
He isn't a British South African
He's a full on extreme Dutch Reform Afrikanner. The bastards that fisted Apartheid White Supremacy on a great nation
Parasites like Thatcher may have supported that, no decent human being could.
FFS let's not excuse and allow this utter runt of 100% white supremisist DNA to associate with the UK
Evidence why and when his father left South Africa.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
Tesla stock looks massively overpriced imo, but then it has done for some time! I love gambling relatively small amounts on politics, but when it comes to investing I just buy index funds...
Tesla stock has optionality. Robotaxi and Ai robots, the first two have started work in Tesla factories, could be some of the biggest opportunities in business history.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
Musk is very smart and talented and driven. No question about that. But luck does play a big part in life outcomes. It's a mistake to underestimate how important randomness and chance are in human affairs.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
All the commentary here about Meeks is rather Freudian.
He was, and so far as I can tell remains, utterly correct in his diagnosis of Brexit.
Not really.
It's only a few irreconcilables like you and him and Scott and Foxy that continue to be obsessed by Brexit.
The rest of us have moved on.
I’ve literally moved on, to the U.S.
Not the EU then?
I’d absolutely live in the EU (a diverse place), but right now the U.S. makes sense for my economic situation.
Which is fair, what's very worrying is that Europe (and I include Labour's UK in this) is become a retirement home for people who have found success elsewhere in the world because it is now actively hostile to wealth creation. The welfare states across Europe have created an entitlement culture and people think they are owed wealth transfers from successful people whether that's directly in the form of cash benefits or indirectly in the form of healthcare/education/state employment etc...
I don't know what the solution to this is, but the entitlement culture across Europe is bankrupting the continent, the UK included and it's become a negative spiral as we're having to increase tax to pay for it which further harms economic growth and the tax base and eventually we turn into Argentina.
I agree with all of this.
As ever the refrain I hear from American business people is very true - America innovated and Europe regulates. I think without the UK in the EU it's worse than ever, the regulations are stifling for EU companies now that there's no significant free market voice at the top table. I'm extremely worried that Starmer will sell out the nation to the EU which I hope that the next government will just undo on day one.
Starmer is absolutely going to sell the nation out to the EU, and well the EU knows it.
It's one of my most certain predictions for this year and next.
You don't want to open up with Europe. You don't want to do much with China. But you do want to prioritise growth. Is that fair?
I'm very happy to trade with Europe, and even China, but I don't think that should come at the expense of our political independence.
For growth, the ones suffocating that are your lot.
You seem to believe what you want to believe.
I’d be tempted to put the strangulation of the British economy in the hands of austerity. See below.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
Musk is very smart and talented and driven. No question about that. But luck does play a big part in life outcomes. It's a mistake to underestimate how important randomness and chance are in human affairs.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
He is very good at some things and less good at others. Maybe extremely so. His cars seem OK if you like that sort of thing (I have family members who do) but neither his Martian nor earthly politics seems as reliable to me.
Exactly. Horses for courses.
Does Keir Starmer try to tell him how to fire up his rockets?
The Labour Party sent volunteers to canvas in the US election for the Democratic Party but they don’t like the favour being returned.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
Musk is very smart and talented and driven. No question about that. But luck does play a big part in life outcomes. It's a mistake to underestimate how important randomness and chance are in human affairs.
Musk repeatedly solved the biggest problems his business have instead of sipping Mai Tais.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
He is very good at some things and less good at others. Maybe extremely so. His cars seem OK if you like that sort of thing (I have family members who do) but neither his Martian nor earthly politics seems as reliable to me.
Exactly. Horses for courses.
Does Keir Starmer try to tell him how to fire up his rockets?
The Labour Party sent volunteers to canvas in the US election for the Democratic Party but they don’t like the favour being returned.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
Musk is very smart and talented and driven. No question about that. But luck does play a big part in life outcomes. It's a mistake to underestimate how important randomness and chance are in human affairs.
Of course 'good' luck plays a part, but not to that level. No-one became no.1 in any field in the world by chance. People have this derangement about him because they don't like him, they simply cannot accept he may have some talents.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
But his politics is basement level. And that - sadly - is what he seems determined to share with us all.
In your view, but youre a snob
If it's only snobs who hate the far right we really do have a problem.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
Musk is very smart and talented and driven. No question about that. But luck does play a big part in life outcomes. It's a mistake to underestimate how important randomness and chance are in human affairs.
Of course 'good' luck plays a part, but not to that level. No-one became no.1 in any field in the world by chance. People have this derangement about him because they don't like him, they simply cannot accept he may have some talents.
Such as this example, that it's just luck.
If he’s so brilliant, why has he done such a terrible job running Twitter and made it worse in every way?
I work in software engineering, the site is worse in every possible way since he took over. And not just the bots but basic uptime and usability is worse than it ever was.
I’d sack the product team if I were him. They clearly don’t have a clue. But I assume the product team is him.
The site is no nastier or nicer than it’s been since forever. It has a tendency to get quite brutal and angry when very sensitive subjects are being discussed
Two examples from either side: the Muslim rape gangs scandal gets a large chunk of the forum highly animated - for obvious reasons, 100,000s of victims, no justice served
In contrast Gaza gets a different section of PB seriously agitated - for obvious reasons, 10,000s of dead Gazans, still Israel pounds away
You can’t expect these charged emotional debates to leave PB calmly untouched
We can either have a lively debating forum and accept that at times things will get heated, or we can have a super-moderated old people’s tea-shop in Newent which will be so boring everyone will drift away, anyway
Quite. Indyref used to have some seriously mental threads.
Possibly the most incendiary time on PB was just before and maybe a year after Brexit, when a significant minority of Remainers on PB went literally mad (a couple still linger, bless). They couldn’t accept a democratic decision, they believed they were democrats, the cognitive dissonance left them one choice: lunacy
The worst example was Alistair Meeks. When I say worse I mean saddest, as he was one of the very best and smartest of commenters, judicious, wry, often witty
Then Brexit turned him into a smouldering pit of anger and sometimes he would spend a day issuing threats of actual violence. In the end he made the wise but saddening choice to leave
I still live in hope that now he’s calm again - or so it seems on other forums - he might return
ISTR he was somewhat baited by some of our more (ahem) vociferous posters.
It's a shame when people force other posters off this site. You would *never* do such a thing, would you?
Actually no I didn’t bait him. I do like to wind people up but I have a personal rule that if I think someone is in genuine mental distress - having a breakdown, unstable, suicidal, very depressed - then I leave them alone. I do this because 1. I’m not evil and 2. I’m prone to depressions myself and I know how horrible they are
The meltdown of the Meeks at its worst was painful to see - making threats of violence hourly - I left him to it and quietly hoped he’d improve, or leave. He made the correct decision to leave
I’ve since communicated with him personally and it’s been civil and pleasant. The Meeks of old
Have you considered that the abuse you routinely give out might actually lead someone into mental distress?
I simply don’t believe my invective is that powerful and even if it is then they have the option to simply not come to the site. It’s not like I’m visiting their homes and shouting in their tiny redbrick windows. For a start I hate the provinces
Didn’t DougSeal, a man not averse to dishing it out and I remember him being most rude to me when I commented on an equal pay ruling - what a prick, have a hissy fit at you over something you said which seemed a little innocuous.
One of those things that escalated quickly. Sometimes these do over a simple misunderstanding by one party.
He seemed to get really upset. Really upset.
Yes he’s a good example. Seemed perfectly normal (for a PB lefty), willing to banter, could be rude but was happy to take it in return, but then over a period of a few weeks - even days - suddenly became quite strange and intensely personal - to me, you and others
Then he left. My sad presumption (I hope I’m wrong) was that he suffered some nasty mental blow. Maybe a bereavement. Or an actual psychological episode
He came back a few times very briefly during which he nearly always called me “a Nazi” but by that time I’d realised something was wrong so I resolved to ignore him
I believe he shared a particular family trauma some time ago, while you wee around. And you, carelessly I suspect, kept pushing that button.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
But his politics is basement level. And that - sadly - is what he seems determined to share with us all.
In your view, but youre a snob
If it's only snobs who hate the far right we really do have a problem.
Its the way you label everyone poorer than you as far right that I find strange.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He's a Bond villain and you know what happens to Bond villains when they cross HMG.
This is a good example of the incoherent position the EU has got itself into both on technology and on the idea of 'foreign' interference. Thierry Breton, the French ex-European Commissioner is intervening in the German election to lecture Alice Weidel about appearing in a podcast with Elon Musk.
Musk is clearly interfering. And he has Russian investors and backers.
Seems a wise warning.
And Thierry Breton is interfering in German politics. Why should Germany accept that?
He isn't, though. He's giving a warning. Whereas Musky Baby is actively promoting a particular party.
That's a distinction even you should be able to see, surely?
Oh that's ok then. Perhaps Alice Weidel should give a warning of her own to deter any further interference from French politicians.
So you don't see the distinction. Your defences of Musk are getting increasingly absurd and illogical.
"Must be the booze!"
Heh. I'm trying for a dry year.
I did five dry months last year, and felt much better during most of them. I potentially have a rather stretch exercise goal this year, and am carefully looking after my diet.
So I'm starting off with dry January, and seeing how long I get without drinking. I'm also trying to cut out crisps, biscuits, and Red Bull.
Crisps and biscuits are a good call.
I'm wondering about cutting out cocoa-dusted chocolate almonds.
I may manage it except for about 3 periods of one week, immediately after I get the posh coffee beans in.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
So long.
I simply played back to you what you were saying about Musk. If you dont like it then stop accusing others.
If it’s acceptable for British politicians to kneel for George Floyd, why is it not acceptable for American citizens to tweet about the victims of British rape gangs?
If it’s acceptable for Labour to send 100 staff to the US to campaign for Kamala, why is it not acceptable for American citizens to opine on British politics?
If it’s acceptable for Labour’s leading politicians such as Lammy and Kahn to slander Trump as racist, why is it not acceptable for Americans to criticise British politicians for the systemic betrayal of British children?
If it’s acceptable for Westminster elites to praise Biden/Kamala, why is it unacceptable for American elites to praise Farage?
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He's a Bond villain and you know what happens to Bond villains when they cross HMG.
You should be interested. He has investigated and busted Starmer as individually and personally responsible for the Rochdale and Rotherham child abuse scandals. Liz and Kemi are also on the case and they are drawing the same conclusions.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
So long.
I simply played back to you what you were saying about Musk. If you dont like it then stop accusing others.
If you don’t think there are loons on Twitter that he’s talking to and retweeting then you’ve got no hope. Honestly read what some of these people say and then look yourself in the mirror and say he’s not been radicalised.
Happy to post examples if you like. But please apologise for attacking my mental health.
“We’re entering this sort of parallel reality based on Musk’s ignorance of the thing he wants to talk about.”
Reflecting on over a decade writing about grooming gangs, @HugoRifkind explains why he’s not sure an inquiry into grooming gangs will provide any answers.
Answers are not what Musk and his fanbase want. They want 2 things. To damage Keir Starmer. To whip up hatred of Muslims. Both of these things being in the interests of their far right politics.
Heard it all now. Wanting to damage the most left wing PM of my lifetime means you are far right.
We’re not far from ‘Everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler’ on this.
Who was it here who said the other day that if you disagree with him, that means you would have enabled child rape? The incoherent rage posting comes Musk supporters, not Musk critics.
You specialise in ad-hominem against your political opponents, always seeking to contrive or fabricate a "gotcha" moment - even if you have to do so by lying or being fraudulent - which is why noone likes you.
How have I lied or been fraudulent in the above?
How did I engineer a gotcha moment in this case? @MaxPB launched an unprovoked attack at me.
You regularly launch unprovoked attacks, and act in incredulous disbelief when people respond in kind.
Do you have any self-awareness at all?
I am glad you agree that the comments MaxPB made were unprovoked and not a “gotcha” moment. Thank you for that rare moment of empathy from you.
Err, no. I think you're a dick.
You tried to finger me as a hypocrite yesterday because I criticised how tone-deaf some Democrats were for wanting Harris to run again in 2028.
It was unwarranted and totally uncalled for and it's stuff like that that fucks people off about you.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
He also believed in electric cars when few others did
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
He also believed in electric cars when few others did
He had a lot of success with Tesla. I said so above.
He should have stuck to that. It’s why I find his stance on net zero the more strange.
The Canadians wildly zig-zag their vote and if I were the Liberals I'd eject Trudeau now for virtually anyone else.
Canada has massively underperformed the US over the last decade - which it hadn't in the previous one. There's no good way a government shrugs that off.
(Europe has too, of course, but it's not quite as pointed when you don't share a border and a language.)
It's satirising everyone and everything being labelled as racist, and people being called Hitler or fascist because, for example, they once laughed at a Donald Trump joke.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He's a Bond villain and you know what happens to Bond villains when they cross HMG.
The US admin doesn't usually have they're back, though.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
Musk is very smart and talented and driven. No question about that. But luck does play a big part in life outcomes. It's a mistake to underestimate how important randomness and chance are in human affairs.
Of course 'good' luck plays a part, but not to that level. No-one became no.1 in any field in the world by chance. People have this derangement about him because they don't like him, they simply cannot accept he may have some talents.
Such as this example, that it's just luck.
I am perfectly willing to admit he had talent (though not as much as his deranged fanbois make out). I was once a fan of his.
It's just that any good he's done in the past is now massively outweighed by the negative.
As for luck: yes, he was lucky. Many talented engineer/investors tried to start rocket companies before 2002. They all failed. Fortunately for him, others had spent the last couple of decades campaigning to have the law changed so NASA could introduce things like the commercial cargo program.
In 2008, both SpaceX and Tesla nearly went bust. At around that time, SpaceX got a hefty contract from NASA. Whilst they did not get the money immediately, it did increase investor confidence and get him investment.
If he had started SpaceX a couple of years earlier, it would have failed. That's luck.
All the commentary here about Meeks is rather Freudian.
He was, and so far as I can tell remains, utterly correct in his diagnosis of Brexit.
Not really.
It's only a few irreconcilables like you and him and Scott and Foxy that continue to be obsessed by Brexit.
The rest of us have moved on.
I’ve literally moved on, to the U.S.
Not the EU then?
I’d absolutely live in the EU (a diverse place), but right now the U.S. makes sense for my economic situation.
Which is fair, what's very worrying is that Europe (and I include Labour's UK in this) is become a retirement home for people who have found success elsewhere in the world because it is now actively hostile to wealth creation. The welfare states across Europe have created an entitlement culture and people think they are owed wealth transfers from successful people whether that's directly in the form of cash benefits or indirectly in the form of healthcare/education/state employment etc...
I don't know what the solution to this is, but the entitlement culture across Europe is bankrupting the continent, the UK included and it's become a negative spiral as we're having to increase tax to pay for it which further harms economic growth and the tax base and eventually we turn into Argentina.
I agree with all of this.
As ever the refrain I hear from American business people is very true - America innovated and Europe regulates. I think without the UK in the EU it's worse than ever, the regulations are stifling for EU companies now that there's no significant free market voice at the top table. I'm extremely worried that Starmer will sell out the nation to the EU which I hope that the next government will just undo on day one.
Starmer is absolutely going to sell the nation out to the EU, and well the EU knows it.
It's one of my most certain predictions for this year and next.
You don't want to open up with Europe. You don't want to do much with China. But you do want to prioritise growth. Is that fair?
I'm very happy to trade with Europe, and even China, but I don't think that should come at the expense of our political independence.
For growth, the ones suffocating that are your lot.
You seem to believe what you want to believe.
I’d be tempted to put the strangulation of the British economy in the hands of austerity. See below.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
Musk is very smart and talented and driven. No question about that. But luck does play a big part in life outcomes. It's a mistake to underestimate how important randomness and chance are in human affairs.
Of course 'good' luck plays a part, but not to that level. No-one became no.1 in any field in the world by chance. People have this derangement about him because they don't like him, they simply cannot accept he may have some talents.
Such as this example, that it's just luck.
If he’s so brilliant, why has he done such a terrible job running Twitter and made it worse in every way?
The Canadians wildly zig-zag their vote and if I were the Liberals I'd eject Trudeau now for virtually anyone else.
Canada has massively underperformed the US over the last decade - which it hadn't in the previous one. There's no good way a government shrugs that off.
(Europe has too, of course, but it's not quite as pointed when you don't share a border and a language.)
Once you net off the big tech stocks, has the U.S. really outperformed the rest of the OECD?
I suspect it has, but the situation is not clear-cut.
Nor is it 100% obvious why British productivity stalled since 2008 (and seemingly again and worse, post-Covid), despite some poster’s quite comic condescension.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
So long.
I simply played back to you what you were saying about Musk. If you dont like it then stop accusing others.
If you don’t think there are loons on Twitter that he’s talking to and retweeting then you’ve got no hope. Honestly read what some of these people say and then look yourself in the mirror and say he’s not been radicalised.
Happy to post examples if you like. But please apologise for attacking my mental health.
Im aware of your mental issues hence why I was surprised by you attacking Musk - who speculation says may have some of his own. ( autism ?).
And yes there are loons on twitter which is why I avoid it. But there are loons on every site left wing ones as much as right wing ones, no site has a monopoly.
If it’s acceptable for British politicians to kneel for George Floyd, why is it not acceptable for American citizens to tweet about the victims of British rape gangs?
If it’s acceptable for Labour to send 100 staff to the US to campaign for Kamala, why is it not acceptable for American citizens to opine on British politics?
If it’s acceptable for Labour’s leading politicians such as Lammy and Kahn to slander Trump as racist, why is it not acceptable for Americans to criticise British politicians for the systemic betrayal of British children?
If it’s acceptable for Westminster elites to praise Biden/Kamala, why is it unacceptable for American elites to praise Farage?
Elon, I would have thought your PB handle would have simply been an X.
The Canadians wildly zig-zag their vote and if I were the Liberals I'd eject Trudeau now for virtually anyone else.
Canada has massively underperformed the US over the last decade - which it hadn't in the previous one. There's no good way a government shrugs that off.
(Europe has too, of course, but it's not quite as pointed when you don't share a border and a language.)
Perhaps, but I've seen the Canadians totally change their minds with 2 weeks to go once too often to believe it's over until it's over.
Still totally bemused why Musk never got in trouble for insider trading when he said Tesla stock was overvalued, it crashed and he bought more at the bottom.
The Canadians wildly zig-zag their vote and if I were the Liberals I'd eject Trudeau now for virtually anyone else.
Canada has massively underperformed the US over the last decade - which it hadn't in the previous one. There's no good way a government shrugs that off.
(Europe has too, of course, but it's not quite as pointed when you don't share a border and a language.)
Once you net off the big tech stocks, has the U.S. really outperformed the rest of the OECD?
I suspect it has, but the situation is not clear-cut.
Nor is it 100% obvious why British productivity stalled since 2008 (and seemingly again and worse, post-Covid), despite some poster’s quite comic condescension.
This is the $64k question that has never been answered properly, to my satisfaction.
You should be interested. He has investigated and busted Starmer as individually and personally responsible for the Rochdale and Rotherham child abuse scandals. Liz and Kemi are also on the case and they are drawing the same conclusions.
I'm genuinely wondering whether Elon will eventually go full on Carl Beech. Is there anything in his behaviour to suggest that's a line he'd baulk at crossing? That's why his admirers and defenders need to be careful. There's no telling why the guy might go.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
So long.
I simply played back to you what you were saying about Musk. If you dont like it then stop accusing others.
If you don’t think there are loons on Twitter that he’s talking to and retweeting then you’ve got no hope. Honestly read what some of these people say and then look yourself in the mirror and say he’s not been radicalised.
Happy to post examples if you like. But please apologise for attacking my mental health.
Im aware of your mental issues hence why I was surprised by you attacking Musk - who speculation says may have some of his own. ( autism ?).
And yes there are loons on twitter which is why I avoid it. But there are loons on every site left wing ones as much as right wing ones, no site has a monopoly.
I did not say Elon was a loon. I said he talks to loons.
Has nothing to do with right or left.
Do you think SKS is responsible for the grooming gangs? That’s the loony I’m talking about. That’s not right or left, it’s just wrong.
All the commentary here about Meeks is rather Freudian.
He was, and so far as I can tell remains, utterly correct in his diagnosis of Brexit.
Not really.
It's only a few irreconcilables like you and him and Scott and Foxy that continue to be obsessed by Brexit.
The rest of us have moved on.
I’ve literally moved on, to the U.S.
Not the EU then?
I’d absolutely live in the EU (a diverse place), but right now the U.S. makes sense for my economic situation.
Which is fair, what's very worrying is that Europe (and I include Labour's UK in this) is become a retirement home for people who have found success elsewhere in the world because it is now actively hostile to wealth creation. The welfare states across Europe have created an entitlement culture and people think they are owed wealth transfers from successful people whether that's directly in the form of cash benefits or indirectly in the form of healthcare/education/state employment etc...
I don't know what the solution to this is, but the entitlement culture across Europe is bankrupting the continent, the UK included and it's become a negative spiral as we're having to increase tax to pay for it which further harms economic growth and the tax base and eventually we turn into Argentina.
I agree with all of this.
As ever the refrain I hear from American business people is very true - America innovated and Europe regulates. I think without the UK in the EU it's worse than ever, the regulations are stifling for EU companies now that there's no significant free market voice at the top table. I'm extremely worried that Starmer will sell out the nation to the EU which I hope that the next government will just undo on day one.
Starmer is absolutely going to sell the nation out to the EU, and well the EU knows it.
It's one of my most certain predictions for this year and next.
You don't want to open up with Europe. You don't want to do much with China. But you do want to prioritise growth. Is that fair?
I'm very happy to trade with Europe, and even China, but I don't think that should come at the expense of our political independence.
For growth, the ones suffocating that are your lot.
You seem to believe what you want to believe.
I’d be tempted to put the strangulation of the British economy in the hands of austerity. See below.
You should be interested. He has investigated and busted Starmer as individually and personally responsible for the Rochdale and Rotherham child abuse scandals. Liz and Kemi are also on the case and they are drawing the same conclusions.
I'm genuinely wondering whether Elon will eventually go full on Carl Beech. Is there anything in his behaviour to suggest that's a line he'd baulk at crossing? That's why his admirers and defenders need to be careful. There's no telling why the guy might go.
Because of the internet we’re watching ultimately why these algorithms are so dangerous. They’ve totally radicalised him.
You should be interested. He has investigated and busted Starmer as individually and personally responsible for the Rochdale and Rotherham child abuse scandals. Liz and Kemi are also on the case and they are drawing the same conclusions.
I'm genuinely wondering whether Elon will eventually go full on Carl Beech. Is there anything in his behaviour to suggest that's a line he'd baulk at crossing? That's why his admirers and defenders need to be careful. There's no telling why the guy might go.
Because of the internet we’re watching ultimately why these algorithms are so dangerous. They’ve totally radicalised him.
And in turn, it’s leaking into GBNews, the Telegraph, and the Mail.
You should be interested. He has investigated and busted Starmer as individually and personally responsible for the Rochdale and Rotherham child abuse scandals. Liz and Kemi are also on the case and they are drawing the same conclusions.
I'm genuinely wondering whether Elon will eventually go full on Carl Beech. Is there anything in his behaviour to suggest that's a line he'd baulk at crossing? That's why his admirers and defenders need to be careful. There's no telling why the guy might go.
Because of the internet we’re watching ultimately why these algorithms are so dangerous. They’ve totally radicalised him.
And in turn, it’s leaking into GBNews, the Telegraph, and the Mail.
We might be overegging it.
He's Cummings (who also made a lot of news) with money and reach.
I'll be very surprised if he lasts the course with The Donald.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
So long.
I simply played back to you what you were saying about Musk. If you dont like it then stop accusing others.
If you don’t think there are loons on Twitter that he’s talking to and retweeting then you’ve got no hope. Honestly read what some of these people say and then look yourself in the mirror and say he’s not been radicalised.
Happy to post examples if you like. But please apologise for attacking my mental health.
Im aware of your mental issues hence why I was surprised by you attacking Musk - who speculation says may have some of his own. ( autism ?).
And yes there are loons on twitter which is why I avoid it. But there are loons on every site left wing ones as much as right wing ones, no site has a monopoly.
I did not say Elon was a loon. I said he talks to loons.
Has nothing to do with right or left.
Do you think SKS is responsible for the grooming gangs? That’s the loony I’m talking about. That’s not right or left, it’s just wrong.
Responsible no, but does he have a case to answer for his inaction maybe, we need the facts.
And you accused Musk of being unhappy with no evidence whatsoever.
You should be interested. He has investigated and busted Starmer as individually and personally responsible for the Rochdale and Rotherham child abuse scandals. Liz and Kemi are also on the case and they are drawing the same conclusions.
I'm genuinely wondering whether Elon will eventually go full on Carl Beech. Is there anything in his behaviour to suggest that's a line he'd baulk at crossing? That's why his admirers and defenders need to be careful. There's no telling why the guy might go.
Because of the internet we’re watching ultimately why these algorithms are so dangerous. They’ve totally radicalised him.
Destroyed by... not quite his own invention, but certainly one he has chosen to fettle in a very dangerous way. Question is, did he not get the memo, or does he not care?
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Senior politicians on the UK right have privately contacted Donald Trump’s allies urging them not to endorse far-right activist Tommy Robinson
The view in both the Tory party and Reform is that Elon Musk has gone too far by backing Robinson
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
So long.
I simply played back to you what you were saying about Musk. If you dont like it then stop accusing others.
If you don’t think there are loons on Twitter that he’s talking to and retweeting then you’ve got no hope. Honestly read what some of these people say and then look yourself in the mirror and say he’s not been radicalised.
Happy to post examples if you like. But please apologise for attacking my mental health.
Im aware of your mental issues hence why I was surprised by you attacking Musk - who speculation says may have some of his own. ( autism ?).
And yes there are loons on twitter which is why I avoid it. But there are loons on every site left wing ones as much as right wing ones, no site has a monopoly.
I did not say Elon was a loon. I said he talks to loons.
Has nothing to do with right or left.
Do you think SKS is responsible for the grooming gangs? That’s the loony I’m talking about. That’s not right or left, it’s just wrong.
Responsible no, but does he have a case to answer for his inaction maybe, we need the facts.
And you accused Musk of being unhappy with no evidence whatsoever.
I do think he’s very unhappy. Because he spends every day talking to probably fake accounts on Twitter. But I accept that’s not a judgment I can really validate.
The Canadians wildly zig-zag their vote and if I were the Liberals I'd eject Trudeau now for virtually anyone else.
Canada has massively underperformed the US over the last decade - which it hadn't in the previous one. There's no good way a government shrugs that off.
(Europe has too, of course, but it's not quite as pointed when you don't share a border and a language.)
Once you net off the big tech stocks, has the U.S. really outperformed the rest of the OECD?
I suspect it has, but the situation is not clear-cut.
Nor is it 100% obvious why British productivity stalled since 2008 (and seemingly again and worse, post-Covid), despite some poster’s quite comic condescension.
GDP per capita is an imperfect measure, but the divergence since 2014/5 is quite large.
Of course in the US much of that gain went to the wealthiest, and poverty rates have I think actually increased ?
Tim Shipman's book "Out" is over 900 pages, but utterly fascinating in almost every way.
On the eve of Labour's 2021 party conference a member of Starmer's team told the columnist Dan Hodges that, during the leadership contest of 2020, he'd made a startling confession: "You know, I don't get politics. I don't understand it. And I don't really like it."
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Musk owns 75%+ of the voting stock in SpaceX. He has always had complete control there.
I think he owns about 40%. Your point may be based on classes of stock, although it's always quite hard to judge for a non-publicly listed company due to lack of transparency over any agreements with other investors and lenders.
You should be interested. He has investigated and busted Starmer as individually and personally responsible for the Rochdale and Rotherham child abuse scandals. Liz and Kemi are also on the case and they are drawing the same conclusions.
I'm genuinely wondering whether Elon will eventually go full on Carl Beech. Is there anything in his behaviour to suggest that's a line he'd baulk at crossing? That's why his admirers and defenders need to be careful. There's no telling why the guy might go.
Because of the internet we’re watching ultimately why these algorithms are so dangerous. They’ve totally radicalised him.
Destroyed by... not quite his own invention, but certainly one he has chosen to fettle in a very dangerous way. Question is, did he not get the memo, or does he not care?
Exclusive:
Senior politicians on the UK right have privately contacted Donald Trump’s allies urging them not to endorse far-right activist Tommy Robinson
The view in both the Tory party and Reform is that Elon Musk has gone too far by backing Robinson
The Canadians wildly zig-zag their vote and if I were the Liberals I'd eject Trudeau now for virtually anyone else.
Canada has massively underperformed the US over the last decade - which it hadn't in the previous one. There's no good way a government shrugs that off.
(Europe has too, of course, but it's not quite as pointed when you don't share a border and a language.)
Once you net off the big tech stocks, has the U.S. really outperformed the rest of the OECD?
I suspect it has, but the situation is not clear-cut.
Nor is it 100% obvious why British productivity stalled since 2008 (and seemingly again and worse, post-Covid), despite some poster’s quite comic condescension.
This is the $64k question that has never been answered properly, to my satisfaction.
What passes for consensus (but I’d want @OnlyLivingBoy and others to chip in) is a mixture of the financial services bubble popping, and a failure to make capital investment (a feature of Osborne’s austerity which he now regrets I believe). Add in an over-reliance on a housing bubble which further distorted investment away from productive use.
Then, since 2016, you’ve got Brexit as well, though this is vastly overshadowed by the pandemic.
Immigration is a potential exacerbating factor, though I haven’t seen a strong case made. Some link it to a failure to invest by British business (the so-called car-wash problem), some to making the housing bubble worse.
Personally I hold that overall, EU migration was incredibly positive for UK productivity and growth, and perhaps masked an even worse outcome delivered by the factors above.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
So long.
I simply played back to you what you were saying about Musk. If you dont like it then stop accusing others.
If you don’t think there are loons on Twitter that he’s talking to and retweeting then you’ve got no hope. Honestly read what some of these people say and then look yourself in the mirror and say he’s not been radicalised.
Happy to post examples if you like. But please apologise for attacking my mental health.
Im aware of your mental issues hence why I was surprised by you attacking Musk - who speculation says may have some of his own. ( autism ?).
And yes there are loons on twitter which is why I avoid it. But there are loons on every site left wing ones as much as right wing ones, no site has a monopoly.
I did not say Elon was a loon. I said he talks to loons.
Has nothing to do with right or left.
Do you think SKS is responsible for the grooming gangs? That’s the loony I’m talking about. That’s not right or left, it’s just wrong.
Responsible no, but does he have a case to answer for his inaction maybe, we need the facts.
And you accused Musk of being unhappy with no evidence whatsoever.
I do think he’s very unhappy. Because he spends every day talking to probably fake accounts on Twitter. But I accept that’s not a judgment I can really validate.
I would be quite surprised. Hes just had several major wins in the last month and is about to u undertake a huge challenge. This time next year if all has gone pear shaped he may be unhappy but for the moment the wind is in his sails.
All the commentary here about Meeks is rather Freudian.
He was, and so far as I can tell remains, utterly correct in his diagnosis of Brexit.
Not really.
It's only a few irreconcilables like you and him and Scott and Foxy that continue to be obsessed by Brexit.
The rest of us have moved on.
I’ve literally moved on, to the U.S.
Not the EU then?
I’d absolutely live in the EU (a diverse place), but right now the U.S. makes sense for my economic situation.
Which is fair, what's very worrying is that Europe (and I include Labour's UK in this) is become a retirement home for people who have found success elsewhere in the world because it is now actively hostile to wealth creation. The welfare states across Europe have created an entitlement culture and people think they are owed wealth transfers from successful people whether that's directly in the form of cash benefits or indirectly in the form of healthcare/education/state employment etc...
I don't know what the solution to this is, but the entitlement culture across Europe is bankrupting the continent, the UK included and it's become a negative spiral as we're having to increase tax to pay for it which further harms economic growth and the tax base and eventually we turn into Argentina.
I agree with all of this.
As ever the refrain I hear from American business people is very true - America innovated and Europe regulates. I think without the UK in the EU it's worse than ever, the regulations are stifling for EU companies now that there's no significant free market voice at the top table. I'm extremely worried that Starmer will sell out the nation to the EU which I hope that the next government will just undo on day one.
Starmer is absolutely going to sell the nation out to the EU, and well the EU knows it.
It's one of my most certain predictions for this year and next.
You don't want to open up with Europe. You don't want to do much with China. But you do want to prioritise growth. Is that fair?
I'm very happy to trade with Europe, and even China, but I don't think that should come at the expense of our political independence.
For growth, the ones suffocating that are your lot.
You seem to believe what you want to believe.
I’d be tempted to put the strangulation of the British economy in the hands of austerity. See below.
The pre 2007 numbers on that chart are artificially inflated by a financial services bubble that was clearly unsustainable
Certainly to some extent, but it’s not very clear by eyeballing that chart.
Even if it shifts the political blame, that doesn't alter the question. The UK hasn't had meaningful improvements in productivity for ages and it would help a lot of we did.
You should be interested. He has investigated and busted Starmer as individually and personally responsible for the Rochdale and Rotherham child abuse scandals. Liz and Kemi are also on the case and they are drawing the same conclusions.
I'm genuinely wondering whether Elon will eventually go full on Carl Beech. Is there anything in his behaviour to suggest that's a line he'd baulk at crossing? That's why his admirers and defenders need to be careful. There's no telling why the guy might go.
Because of the internet we’re watching ultimately why these algorithms are so dangerous. They’ve totally radicalised him.
I think you're right Horse. We've seen this before. Talking head gets really into twitter and becomes a parody of himself. Gary Lineker, Owen Jones, Carol Vorderman, Lawrence Fox. Different paths but same trajectory.
But here's the problem: that would not just be a trait seen just in immigration from Muslim countries; and many immigrants from Muslim countries do have a loyalty to the British state and people.
I'm married to one.
So events like this are used by racists to say: "This is what all Muslims are like," and then: "This is what all immigrants are like."
I just wonder, if a load of British immigrants - we could call them expats, it has a nice ring - went to a foreign country, say Spain and settled in a random place, say the Costa del Sol and decided to import British fish and chips, speak no Spanish and generally create a mini-Britain, would we be calling them not loyal to Spain and generally destroying their culture, taking over the country?
I think Spain would have every right to deport the lot of them if they became a nuisance.
I've spoken to people from there. They do cause a nuisance, the locals hate them, they have basically destroyed the culture and the Spanish basically see it as a "no go" area.
Sound familiar?
If they don't belong in Spain, what should happen to them? I say deport them.
What do you mean "don't belong"?
I'm happy to accept your definition:
"They do cause a nuisance, the locals hate them, they have basically destroyed the culture and the Spanish basically see it as a "no go" area."
Then I wonder why all of those going after Muslims don't seem to spend any time calling for these people to be deported. If you want to start that train then I will support you.
The issue is multiculturalism has completely failed as a model. Immigrants need to integrate into the host country, not import their own culture and establish it as a separate stream
Multiculturalism isn't just about immigrants. A lot of it is homegrown. Look at the cultures of Reform people verus LibDem people.
The model for monoculturalism is China, as the Tibetans and Uyghurs well know.
The upside is that there isn't the tension of "others" or any affront to ones culture. It's one big happy family with common values, in theory.
The downside is the loss of diversity of outlooks, of innovation, and also of the basic freedom to not conform and behave as you want as long as you don't harm others. (Harm is not the same as offend).
The Chinese model is working well, but at a cost. There are pros and cons.
The Chinese model is not a melting point (well maybe literally…)
It’s the imposition of Han culture on others.
The melting point approach is the optimal - take the best and emerge stronger.
Britain today is far better as a result of the Huguenots, the various waves of Jewish immigrants, the Normans, etc.
Everyone except the Romans. After all, what have the Romans ever done for us?
It's one of this great 'what if's' isn't it! What if William the Bastard had lost at Hastings and been driven back into the sea. Secondly, of course, if he'd lived, would he have tried again?
But if the Norman Conquest hadn't happened, then England would have been more like the Scandinavian countries.
Being conquered by Scandinavians made us less Scandinavian?
Counterfactuals are fun but there are lots of limits. 1066 and all that blinds us to the wafer thin claim to the throne that Harold had. Maybe it would be a better world if Malcolm and St Margaret (who did have a claim from a modern point of view) had got it.
Weren’t Saxon Kings elected rather than the modern concept of the line of succession?
This column, from George Will, should cheer some of you up: "Viewed in a bemused spirit, 2024 provided (in Mark Twain’s words) “not merely food for laughter,” but “an entire banquet.” Begin with the Texan who, preparing to run for president, changed his name to Literally Anybody Else. John F. Kerry, the Democrats’ 2004 nominee and, in 2024, the State Department’s designated climate worrier, said people would “feel better” about the war in Ukraine if Russia would “make a greater effort to reduce emissions.” War criminals should minimize their carbon footprints." source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/12/27/year-end-review-laughable/
You should be interested. He has investigated and busted Starmer as individually and personally responsible for the Rochdale and Rotherham child abuse scandals. Liz and Kemi are also on the case and they are drawing the same conclusions.
I'm genuinely wondering whether Elon will eventually go full on Carl Beech. Is there anything in his behaviour to suggest that's a line he'd baulk at crossing? That's why his admirers and defenders need to be careful. There's no telling why the guy might go.
Because of the internet we’re watching ultimately why these algorithms are so dangerous. They’ve totally radicalised him.
Destroyed by... not quite his own invention, but certainly one he has chosen to fettle in a very dangerous way. Question is, did he not get the memo, or does he not care?
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Senior politicians on the UK right have privately contacted Donald Trump’s allies urging them not to endorse far-right activist Tommy Robinson
The view in both the Tory party and Reform is that Elon Musk has gone too far by backing Robinson
I forgot to add demography, although the UK’s demography is actually better than that of many peers, so it doesn’t explain the distinct shiteness of UK performance.
Tim Shipman's book "Out" is over 900 pages, but utterly fascinating in almost every way.
On the eve of Labour's 2021 party conference a member of Starmer's team told the columnist Dan Hodges that, during the leadership contest of 2020, he'd made a startling confession: "You know, I don't get politics. I don't understand it. And I don't really like it."
It certainly shows.
No PM who understood politics and messaging would have let Reeves first and defining budget be completely wrecked by a previous and separate announcement that granny would be made to freeze this winter.
I doubt it’s him personally, he is not omnipresent on Twitter after all but for accounts to claim it is the case it feeds into their sense of grievance. Not saying that’s the case here.
Go on Elon's account, see how many times he's Tweeted over the last few days. He's clearly on it 24/7.
Or someone is. Do politicians or slebs always post from their account or do they get some PR/aide to take some of the slack ?
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
So long.
I simply played back to you what you were saying about Musk. If you dont like it then stop accusing others.
If you don’t think there are loons on Twitter that he’s talking to and retweeting then you’ve got no hope. Honestly read what some of these people say and then look yourself in the mirror and say he’s not been radicalised.
Happy to post examples if you like. But please apologise for attacking my mental health.
Im aware of your mental issues hence why I was surprised by you attacking Musk - who speculation says may have some of his own. ( autism ?).
And yes there are loons on twitter which is why I avoid it. But there are loons on every site left wing ones as much as right wing ones, no site has a monopoly.
I did not say Elon was a loon. I said he talks to loons.
Has nothing to do with right or left.
Do you think SKS is responsible for the grooming gangs? That’s the loony I’m talking about. That’s not right or left, it’s just wrong.
Responsible no, but does he have a case to answer for his inaction maybe, we need the facts.
And you accused Musk of being unhappy with no evidence whatsoever.
What inaction are you accusing SKS of.
Even most mainstream Tories acknowledge as DPP he did a great job to attack the Gangs issue. Dealt with it far more urgently than his predecessor.
Did he or did he not get an enhanced pension agreed by PM Cameron precisely for this???
So what are you accusing him of?
Is he accused of not making the Tories do more in 14 years?
He could be accused for not calling for a national enquiry since 5th July?
Most independent experts agree this is not necessary. What they ask Starmer to do is act upon the regional enquiries recommendations the Tories have not taken seriously enough.
But no, you play pathetic political games off the back of lies and distortions from Musk.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
So long.
I simply played back to you what you were saying about Musk. If you dont like it then stop accusing others.
If you don’t think there are loons on Twitter that he’s talking to and retweeting then you’ve got no hope. Honestly read what some of these people say and then look yourself in the mirror and say he’s not been radicalised.
Happy to post examples if you like. But please apologise for attacking my mental health.
Im aware of your mental issues hence why I was surprised by you attacking Musk - who speculation says may have some of his own. ( autism ?).
And yes there are loons on twitter which is why I avoid it. But there are loons on every site left wing ones as much as right wing ones, no site has a monopoly.
I did not say Elon was a loon. I said he talks to loons.
Has nothing to do with right or left.
Do you think SKS is responsible for the grooming gangs? That’s the loony I’m talking about. That’s not right or left, it’s just wrong.
Responsible no, but does he have a case to answer for his inaction maybe, we need the facts.
And you accused Musk of being unhappy with no evidence whatsoever.
I do think he’s very unhappy. Because he spends every day talking to probably fake accounts on Twitter. But I accept that’s not a judgment I can really validate.
I would be quite surprised. Hes just had several major wins in the last month and is about to u undertake a huge challenge. This time next year if all has gone pear shaped he may be unhappy but for the moment the wind is in his sails.
Unhappy may not be the word. He doesn't act like a man at peace with himself.
It is perfectly possible for someone to be outwardly successful, but have some psychological issues, addiction issues, family issues etc.
You should be interested. He has investigated and busted Starmer as individually and personally responsible for the Rochdale and Rotherham child abuse scandals. Liz and Kemi are also on the case and they are drawing the same conclusions.
I'm genuinely wondering whether Elon will eventually go full on Carl Beech. Is there anything in his behaviour to suggest that's a line he'd baulk at crossing? That's why his admirers and defenders need to be careful. There's no telling why the guy might go.
Because of the internet we’re watching ultimately why these algorithms are so dangerous. They’ve totally radicalised him.
And in turn, it’s leaking into GBNews, the Telegraph, and the Mail.
We might be overegging it.
He's Cummings (who also made a lot of news) with money and reach.
I'll be very surprised if he lasts the course with The Donald.
He wont last with Trump 2.0 beyond the spring imho.
No way Trump is going let all his limelight be sucked up by some weird nerd who likes electric cars.
Tim Shipman's book "Out" is over 900 pages, but utterly fascinating in almost every way.
On the eve of Labour's 2021 party conference a member of Starmer's team told the columnist Dan Hodges that, during the leadership contest of 2020, he'd made a startling confession: "You know, I don't get politics. I don't understand it. And I don't really like it."
It certainly shows.
No PM who understood politics and messaging would have let Reeves first and defining budget be completely wrecked by a previous and separate announcement that granny would be made to freeze this winter.
I still maintain the WFA cut was right. But I’m not convinced about the political capital of it.
Tim Shipman's book "Out" is over 900 pages, but utterly fascinating in almost every way.
On the eve of Labour's 2021 party conference a member of Starmer's team told the columnist Dan Hodges that, during the leadership contest of 2020, he'd made a startling confession: "You know, I don't get politics. I don't understand it. And I don't really like it."
Isn't there a theory that Starmer didn't think Labour would win the next election when he won the leadership, he just thought he could improve their seat total then hand over to someone else after?
I forgot to add demography, although the UK’s demography is actually better than that of many peers, so it doesn’t explain the distinct shiteness of UK performance.
Comparing demographics by looking only at the number of people in each age group may be too simplistic because the composition of each generation makes a big difference as well.
Tim Shipman's book "Out" is over 900 pages, but utterly fascinating in almost every way.
On the eve of Labour's 2021 party conference a member of Starmer's team told the columnist Dan Hodges that, during the leadership contest of 2020, he'd made a startling confession: "You know, I don't get politics. I don't understand it. And I don't really like it."
It certainly shows.
No PM who understood politics and messaging would have let Reeves first and defining budget be completely wrecked by a previous and separate announcement that granny would be made to freeze this winter.
I still maintain the WFA cut was right. But I’m not convinced about the political capital of it.
Should have waited until the budget and cut the whole thing, effective winter 25/26 onwards.
But here's the problem: that would not just be a trait seen just in immigration from Muslim countries; and many immigrants from Muslim countries do have a loyalty to the British state and people.
I'm married to one.
So events like this are used by racists to say: "This is what all Muslims are like," and then: "This is what all immigrants are like."
I just wonder, if a load of British immigrants - we could call them expats, it has a nice ring - went to a foreign country, say Spain and settled in a random place, say the Costa del Sol and decided to import British fish and chips, speak no Spanish and generally create a mini-Britain, would we be calling them not loyal to Spain and generally destroying their culture, taking over the country?
I think Spain would have every right to deport the lot of them if they became a nuisance.
I've spoken to people from there. They do cause a nuisance, the locals hate them, they have basically destroyed the culture and the Spanish basically see it as a "no go" area.
Sound familiar?
If they don't belong in Spain, what should happen to them? I say deport them.
What do you mean "don't belong"?
I'm happy to accept your definition:
"They do cause a nuisance, the locals hate them, they have basically destroyed the culture and the Spanish basically see it as a "no go" area."
Then I wonder why all of those going after Muslims don't seem to spend any time calling for these people to be deported. If you want to start that train then I will support you.
The issue is multiculturalism has completely failed as a model. Immigrants need to integrate into the host country, not import their own culture and establish it as a separate stream
Multiculturalism isn't just about immigrants. A lot of it is homegrown. Look at the cultures of Reform people verus LibDem people.
The model for monoculturalism is China, as the Tibetans and Uyghurs well know.
The upside is that there isn't the tension of "others" or any affront to ones culture. It's one big happy family with common values, in theory.
The downside is the loss of diversity of outlooks, of innovation, and also of the basic freedom to not conform and behave as you want as long as you don't harm others. (Harm is not the same as offend).
The Chinese model is working well, but at a cost. There are pros and cons.
The Chinese model is not a melting point (well maybe literally…)
It’s the imposition of Han culture on others.
The melting point approach is the optimal - take the best and emerge stronger.
Britain today is far better as a result of the Huguenots, the various waves of Jewish immigrants, the Normans, etc.
Everyone except the Romans. After all, what have the Romans ever done for us?
It's one of this great 'what if's' isn't it! What if William the Bastard had lost at Hastings and been driven back into the sea. Secondly, of course, if he'd lived, would he have tried again?
But if the Norman Conquest hadn't happened, then England would have been more like the Scandinavian countries.
Being conquered by Scandinavians made us less Scandinavian?
Counterfactuals are fun but there are lots of limits. 1066 and all that blinds us to the wafer thin claim to the throne that Harold had. Maybe it would be a better world if Malcolm and St Margaret (who did have a claim from a modern point of view) had got it.
Weren’t Saxon Kings elected rather than the modern concept of the line of succession?
Sort of, yes. At least, it certainly wasn't the case that the successor was necessarily exoected to be the "next in line" as we understand it. Children and obvuous idiots tended to be weeded out and being competent was often considered a stronger claim than being directly descended from the previous king.
As I said before, Musk convinced me himself to pull out of Tesla. Because he's clearly too much of a loose cannon/hates his own customers/is distracted, to not accidentally run the company into the ground.
As well as self-driving being as far away as ever (despite his lies that it's coming every year since 2012), I just can't see how Tesla isn't easily replaced by any of the Chinese companies or another established manufacturer.
I put my money where my mouth is and sold up.
The fact that Musk appears to believe, and act on the belief, that there can and will be viable long term human communities living on Mars in not all that long suggests that he may well be less good at thinking through some things than others.
I'm one of those that believes he got very lucky in his career but he was at least good and picking winning horses/causes. Well, until Twitter.
The folks at PayPal clearly saw what he was, it's why they chucked him out - and he's been holding a grudge ever since.
That must be an amazing amount of luck to become the richest person in the world, with a value of over £400bn.
Always surprises me just how lucky some people continually are, year after year. Just like that Ronaldo bloke, or Djokovic, Wiliams sisters, Michael Johnson, Chris Hoy etc.....so so so so so so lucky.
The first business he had complete control over was Twitter. It's not been a roaring success.
Oh FFS
Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
He’s clearly very unhappy. He spends his life talking to absolute loons on Twitter. Hour after hour. Day after day.
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
Whereas you spends hours talking to loons on PB.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I’m extremely happy thanks and my mental health is at an all time high and has been for the last three years. Thanks for asking.
So talking to all those loons pays off, presumabyt the same for Musk
There aren’t many loons on here. But there are actual far right nut jobs on Twitter that he amplifies. I assume you agree with him and them.
Strange assumption. I can think for myself, you should give it a go.
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
I don’t know why you felt the need to attack my health and wellbeing. You clearly find being challenged difficult.
So long.
I simply played back to you what you were saying about Musk. If you dont like it then stop accusing others.
If you don’t think there are loons on Twitter that he’s talking to and retweeting then you’ve got no hope. Honestly read what some of these people say and then look yourself in the mirror and say he’s not been radicalised.
Happy to post examples if you like. But please apologise for attacking my mental health.
Im aware of your mental issues hence why I was surprised by you attacking Musk - who speculation says may have some of his own. ( autism ?).
And yes there are loons on twitter which is why I avoid it. But there are loons on every site left wing ones as much as right wing ones, no site has a monopoly.
I did not say Elon was a loon. I said he talks to loons.
Has nothing to do with right or left.
Do you think SKS is responsible for the grooming gangs? That’s the loony I’m talking about. That’s not right or left, it’s just wrong.
Responsible no, but does he have a case to answer for his inaction maybe, we need the facts.
And you accused Musk of being unhappy with no evidence whatsoever.
I do think he’s very unhappy. Because he spends every day talking to probably fake accounts on Twitter. But I accept that’s not a judgment I can really validate.
I would be quite surprised. Hes just had several major wins in the last month and is about to u undertake a huge challenge. This time next year if all has gone pear shaped he may be unhappy but for the moment the wind is in his sails.
Unhappy may not be the word. He doesn't act like a man at peace with himself.
It is perfectly possible for someone to be outwardly successful, but have some psychological issues, addiction issues, family issues etc.
He has hinted he is somewhere on the spectrum so his ways of being at ease with himself are different than most.
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Yes there he is the world's richest man, a man who makes more in a day than you will in your lifetime.
What he really needs is a bloke on an obscure website to show him how to create wealth.
Btw why arent you richer than him ?
I’ll stay poor, thanks.
The UK sent some of its citizens to prison for intemperate posts encouraging unrest, racism, and riot, after a wash of disinformation on Musk’s media co.
I don’t suppose prison sentences encourage the placing of outrageous posts. Could that be connected to a previous CPS leader being indirectly targeted?
‘Useful idiots’ may apply.
Just how unhappy are you ?
I love gambling relatively small amounts on politics, but when it comes to investing I just buy index funds...
https://x.com/JeanPFournier/status/1875341487682285794
Does Keir Starmer try to tell him how to fire up his rockets?
He's a full on extreme Dutch Reform Afrikanner. The bastards that fisted Apartheid White Supremacy on a great nation
Parasites like Thatcher may have supported that, no decent human being could.
FFS let's not excuse and allow this utter runt of 100% white supremisist DNA to associate with the UK
Evidence why and when his father left South Africa.
** everyone boring on about Musk **
**wanders off **
I dont follow any social media as I think its for prats. I dont has a single social media account unless you count PB.
That doesn't show what you think it does.
The Canadians wildly zig-zag their vote and if I were the Liberals I'd eject Trudeau now for virtually anyone else.
Such as this example, that it's just luck.
So long.
I work in software engineering, the site is worse in every possible way since he took over. And not just the bots but basic uptime and usability is worse than it ever was.
I’d sack the product team if I were him. They clearly don’t have a clue. But I assume the product team is him.
I believe he shared a particular family trauma some time ago, while you wee around. And you, carelessly I suspect, kept pushing that button.
I'm wondering about cutting out cocoa-dusted chocolate almonds.
I may manage it except for about 3 periods of one week, immediately after I get the posh coffee beans in.
If it’s acceptable for British politicians to kneel for George Floyd, why is it not acceptable for American citizens to tweet about the victims of British rape gangs?
If it’s acceptable for Labour to send 100 staff to the US to campaign for Kamala, why is it not acceptable for American citizens to opine on British politics?
If it’s acceptable for Labour’s leading politicians such as Lammy and Kahn to slander Trump as racist, why is it not acceptable for Americans to criticise British politicians for the systemic betrayal of British children?
If it’s acceptable for Westminster elites to praise Biden/Kamala, why is it unacceptable for American elites to praise Farage?
Happy to post examples if you like. But please apologise for attacking my mental health.
You tried to finger me as a hypocrite yesterday because I criticised how tone-deaf some Democrats were for wanting Harris to run again in 2028.
It was unwarranted and totally uncalled for and it's stuff like that that fucks people off about you.
Stop it. And own your own behaviour.
He should have stuck to that. It’s why I find his stance on net zero the more strange.
There's no good way a government shrugs that off.
(Europe has too, of course, but it's not quite as pointed when you don't share a border and a language.)
It's satirising everyone and everything being labelled as racist, and people being called Hitler or fascist because, for example, they once laughed at a Donald Trump joke.
Next.
It's just that any good he's done in the past is now massively outweighed by the negative.
As for luck: yes, he was lucky. Many talented engineer/investors tried to start rocket companies before 2002. They all failed. Fortunately for him, others had spent the last couple of decades campaigning to have the law changed so NASA could introduce things like the commercial cargo program.
In 2008, both SpaceX and Tesla nearly went bust. At around that time, SpaceX got a hefty contract from NASA. Whilst they did not get the money immediately, it did increase investor confidence and get him investment.
If he had started SpaceX a couple of years earlier, it would have failed. That's luck.
I suspect it has, but the situation is not clear-cut.
Nor is it 100% obvious why British productivity stalled since 2008 (and seemingly again and worse, post-Covid), despite some poster’s quite comic condescension.
And yes there are loons on twitter which is why I avoid it. But there are loons on every site left wing ones as much as right wing ones, no site has a monopoly.
Is Leon your favourite poster?
Has nothing to do with right or left.
Do you think SKS is responsible for the grooming gangs? That’s the loony I’m talking about. That’s not right or left, it’s just wrong.
He's Cummings (who also made a lot of news) with money and reach.
I'll be very surprised if he lasts the course with The Donald.
And you accused Musk of being unhappy with no evidence whatsoever.
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Senior politicians on the UK right have privately contacted Donald Trump’s allies urging them not to endorse far-right activist Tommy Robinson
The view in both the Tory party and Reform is that Elon Musk has gone too far by backing Robinson
https://bsky.app/profile/alexwickham.bsky.social/post/3letmgxyxzj2p
Of course in the US much of that gain went to the wealthiest, and poverty rates have I think actually increased ?
On the eve of Labour's 2021 party conference a member of Starmer's team told the columnist Dan Hodges that, during the leadership contest of 2020, he'd made a startling confession: "You know, I don't get politics. I don't understand it. And I don't really like it."
But at least they have a limit.
@OnlyLivingBoy and others to chip in) is a mixture of the financial services bubble popping, and a failure to make capital investment (a feature of Osborne’s austerity which he now regrets I believe). Add in an over-reliance on a housing bubble which further distorted investment away from productive use.
Then, since 2016, you’ve got Brexit as well, though this is vastly overshadowed by the pandemic.
Immigration is a potential exacerbating factor, though I haven’t seen a strong case made. Some link it to a failure to invest by British business (the so-called car-wash problem), some to making the housing bubble worse.
Personally I hold that overall, EU migration was incredibly positive for UK productivity and growth, and perhaps masked an even worse outcome delivered by the factors above.
We've seen this before. Talking head gets really into twitter and becomes a parody of himself. Gary Lineker, Owen Jones, Carol Vorderman, Lawrence Fox. Different paths but same trajectory.
source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/12/27/year-end-review-laughable/
But does show why Reform should be cautious of him. Be nice, but don't accept a marriage proposal.
No PM who understood politics and messaging would have let Reeves first and defining budget be completely wrecked by a previous and separate announcement that granny would be made to freeze this winter.
Even most mainstream Tories acknowledge as DPP he did a great job to attack the Gangs issue. Dealt with it far more urgently than his predecessor.
Did he or did he not get an enhanced pension agreed by PM Cameron precisely for this???
So what are you accusing him of?
Is he accused of not making the Tories do more in 14 years?
He could be accused for not calling for a national enquiry since 5th July?
Most independent experts agree this is not necessary. What they ask Starmer to do is act upon the regional enquiries recommendations the Tories have not taken seriously enough.
But no, you play pathetic political games off the back of lies and distortions from Musk.
It's really utterly pathetic
It is perfectly possible for someone to be outwardly successful, but have some psychological issues, addiction issues, family issues etc.
No way Trump is going let all his limelight be sucked up by some weird nerd who likes electric cars.
Reeves is a muppet.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875580592043278763