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  • HYUFD said:

    Yet still the Tories near tied with Labour
    The best predictor of election outcomes is still “who would be the best PM”. Starmer continues to lead.

    I’d like to see him up against Farage on that measure. Suspect it would be very close.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,149

    Perhaps Christmas dinner is the meal where she treats herself to a sandwich?

    That's a thought. I've had a couple of Christmas Turkey sandwiches, with added cranberry sauce.

    And I keep getting Dominos Christmas Pizza adverts thrown at me. Youtube seems to have a famine of "skip" buttons.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,820
    edited December 2024
    Taz said:

    Cannot stand the bloody woman. She's awful.

    I have disliked her ever since she told Dev Griffin on Celebrity Masterchef she wouldn't feed his food to her dog.

    We were hoping someone like Andi Oliver would get it.
    She's improved massively (as has the similarly rebarbative Marcus Wareing) in recent years. I used to dislike both quite a lot.

    I actually approve, FWIW. And she knows her onions.
  • Kemi goes in on freezing pensioners.
  • Government buys back 36,347 military homes to improve housing for forces families and save taxpayers billions
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-buys-back-36347-military-homes-to-improve-housing-for-forces-families-and-save-taxpayers-billions

    There is an attached court judgment for those interested in playing count the lawyers:-
    Monica Carss-Frisk KC, Jason Pobjoy and Emmeline Plews (instructed by Linklaters LLP)
    and Zia Bhaloo KC, James Maurici KC, Toby Watkin KC, Mark Sefton KC and Tamsin
    Cox (instructed by Eversheds Sutherland (International) LLP) for the Claimants
    Sir James Eadie KC, Ivan Hare KC, David Lowe, Tom Cleaver and Daniel Cashman
    (instructed by Slaughter and May) and Joanne Wicks KC, Philip Rainey KC, Adam
    Rosenthal KC, Ceri Edmonds and Daniel Petrides (instructed by Forsters LLP) for the
    Defendant. The Interested Parties did not appear and were not represented.

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Annington-final-judgment_15_05_2023.pdf

    It is claimed this privatisation has cost taxpayers £8 billion. That's a third of a gold sale!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,516

    Politicians who speak honestly don't get elected.
    The inevitable outcome is politicians in charge are at best misleading in their promises.

    But that is our choice as voters, and on us, more than it is on politicians. Politicians cannot be honest and get into power unless we voters change first.
    Yep. Lots of people say they like politicians who "speak their mind" and "tell it like it is" but woe betide the politician who does this if it's stuff they don't want to hear.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    HYUFD said:

    Yet still the Tories near tied with Labour in current polls
    And Theresa May was leading in the polls until March 2019, it didn't mean she was in a good place.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,002
    Kemi is doing well. I like her posh accent.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,060
    Nigelb said:

    The point isn't to win - it's to cost the defenders of the action a lot of money defending it.
    In his current position, Trump has far deeper pockets than he did only a year ago. And access to effectively unlimited funds.
    The discovery will be interesting mind, just how did JB Pritzker know about the poll prior to release ?
  • Barnesian said:

    Kemi is doing well. I like her posh accent.

    Did she have it when working at McDonalds?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Carnyx said:

    Not a good idea. Plenty of areas even then where Scottish constituencies have a right to equal representation, remember.

    Yeah but the point is how do you handle a situation where there is a completely lopsided settlement? I'm not sure people in England will be happy with 'Scotland's only a small part of the UK so why bother about it.'
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,410
    MattW said:

    I think she'll be getting stung, but if she goes for that one it may steal the SNP thunder. They seem to be making a lot of noise for a group with only slightly more MPs than Reform.
    Your conclusion on the Government's unpopularity being down to poor PR is bizarre. They are actively engaged in making people poorer. You can't give not being able to put your heating on in the winter a cuddly public face. The fact that the Government is full of venal authoritarians with the personality of a case of gastroenteritis is merely the icing on a shitty cake.
  • Are you against the Czech takeover of Royal Mail?
    Against everything starting with privatization ("another LD manifesto promise delivered"). It was a fire sale of the substantial property assets, the delivery service has got far worse, the UDO was always threatened and this takeover is probably solely to obtain the profitable european delivery business, expect it to be separated from the UK business which will be passed on again. In 10 years time, the Govt will be under pressure to buy it back again so that there is still a postal service.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,424
    kle4 said:

    I have had beef stew for breakfast before, very good on those cold winter mornings.
    Weird and pointless over share from me. I could eat breakfast for dinner quite happily (be it eggs, bacon or cereal) but never dinner for breakfast (unless it was sausages...)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,756

    Badenoch’s early results with YouGov.

    Kemi Badenoch's early polling figures make for grim reading for the Tories, writes
    @PME_Politics

    Looks like a PM in waiting: 13%
    Doing well as leader of the Conservative party: 20%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1869344889856729402

    Your weekly reminder that Maggie got off to a rocky start as LOTO in '75
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    kinabalu said:

    Yep. Lots of people say they like politicians who "speak their mind" and "tell it like it is" but woe betide the politician who does this if it's stuff they don't want to hear.
    I like it the one about people wanting politicians who have principles. If they are negative principles, from your perspective, it's not necessary a good thing.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,820
    This is a striking map.
    But is it just an artefact of poor data and differential reporting ?
    (What do PB's medical stats gurus think ?)

    Autism Hotspot Analysis
    https://x.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1869031831229898943
  • Barnesian said:

    Kemi is doing well. I like her posh accent.

    Leaving content aside, first time she’s really put in a half decent performance IMHO. The Brexit freedoms thing could have been a clanger, but Starmer didn’t respond to it - she got a bit lucky there.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,847
    edited December 2024
    ...
    GIN1138 said:

    Your weekly reminder that Maggie got off to a rocky start as LOTO in '75
    Are you suggesting she is a work -in-progress Thatcher?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,424
    HYUFD said:

    No it wouldn't, Welsh nationalists would soon also be seeking independence and there is also the North and South divide in England and London and provinces divide too which would be exacerbated if the UK broke up.

    Devomax for Scotland and more devolution within England to come closer to what the Senedd and Stormont have would be better
    Devomax would surely just fuel the call for total independence? "We're almost independent now, why not go the whole way..."
  • Taz said:

    Cannot stand the bloody woman. She's awful.

    I have disliked her ever since she told Dev Griffin on Celebrity Masterchef she wouldn't feed his food to her dog.

    We were hoping someone like Andi Oliver would get it.
    Prince Andrew if they want a like for like?
  • @MattW I think the government have made a lot of very ballsy moves. The problem is that politically they are not popular.

    They are playing a very risky game.
  • Pulpstar said:

    The discovery will be interesting mind, just how did JB Pritzker know about the poll prior to release ?
    In this country, polls are commonly released to the media in advance but subject to embargos until the designated publication time. I'd imagine it is the same over there.
  • Did she have it when working at McDonalds?
    Would sir like a filet-o-lobster with that?
  • Your conclusion on the Government's unpopularity being down to poor PR is bizarre. They are actively engaged in making people poorer. You can't give not being able to put your heating on in the winter a cuddly public face. The fact that the Government is full of venal authoritarians with the personality of a case of gastroenteritis is merely the icing on a shitty cake.
    The last govt that actively made people poorer lasted 14 years, having defeated a govt that presided over an overall improvement in living standards over it's lifetime.
    The UK electorate has demonstrated a number of times that it will vote to be poorer.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Yeah but the point is how do you handle a situation where there is a completely lopsided settlement? I'm not sure people in England will be happy with 'Scotland's only a small part of the UK so why bother about it.'
    Just don't vote on devolved matters. As even HYUFD agrees.

    There's no reason why the Scots - or anyone else - should have a reduced vote, head for head, for things like overall UK policy such as defence and fiscal.
  • OH dear Kemi

    If you can't land a blow this week at PMQ it's truly time to go.

    The two sides of the Chamber as SKS sat down, Labour cheering and laughing, Tories sat in abject stony silence

    A few slaps landed early, easily rebuffed with swift left hooks, her failure to move off script cruelly exposed by the 4th and flat knockout for Starmer in the 6th.

    Where do the utterly bereft Tories go from here.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Your weekly reminder that Maggie got off to a rocky start as LOTO in '75
    Badenoch’s figures won’t improve until the Tories earn the right to be heard. That’s their goal for 2025, whether they’ll meet it, hmm…
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,666
    GIN1138 said:

    Your weekly reminder that Maggie got off to a rocky start as LOTO in '75
    And a rocky start as PM in 1979-81
  • "Happy Christmas" annoys me

    It's the one time of year when we can wish people merriness
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,666

    "Happy Christmas" annoys me

    It's the one time of year when we can wish people merriness

    Not a new thing mind. TNBC ends "Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good night"
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    kjh said:

    Agree. Boring meat. We will be having duck, as we did last year. The 3 years before that I made a Beef Wellington. A lot of hassle on Christmas Eve, but easy on the day
    Pheasant for us ... probably casseroled in red wine.
  • @MattW I think the government have made a lot of very ballsy moves. The problem is that politically they are not popular.

    They are playing a very risky game.

    Inaction is also risky and unpopular. Government is basically making some unpopular decisions and then hoping some pay off and more importantly the next election aligns with a good global economy, which is almost completely outside of their control.
  • Would sir like a filet-o-lobster with that?
    Do McDonald’s serve caviar?

    I am hankering after some Royal Baerii.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,820

    Would sir like a filet-o-lobster with that?
    She also ensured absolutely non-moist buns.
  • OH dear Kemi

    If you can't land a blow this week at PMQ it's truly time to go.

    The two sides of the Chamber as SKS sat down, Labour cheering and laughing, Tories sat in abject stony silence

    A few slaps landed early, easily rebuffed with swift left hooks, her failure to move off script cruelly exposed by the 4th and flat knockout for Starmer in the 6th.

    Where do the utterly bereft Tories go from here.

    Yawn.
  • Nigelb said:

    She's improved massively (as has the similarly rebarbative Marcus Wareing) in recent years. I used to dislike both quite a lot.

    I actually approve, FWIW. And she knows her onions.
    A skim read made me think you were talking about Kemi.

    I always remember Dent saying she’d gradually came round to truffles after initially thinking they tasted of bum. Raised several questions..
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,847
    Good from Badenoch until the "Brexit benefits" claim.

    Starmer in Friday Dinner mode at Wednesday lunchtime.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,811
    edited December 2024
    £21,000,000,000. That's how much 39 key government suppliers billed the public sector for in FY23/24.

    https://x.com/Tussell_UK/status/1862227807633645853

    Bloody Starmer's paying himself a billion quid.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Carnyx said:

    Just don't vote on devolved matters. As even HYUFD agrees.

    There's no reason why the Scots - or anyone else - should have a reduced vote, head for head, for things like overall UK policy such as defence and fiscal.
    But as people have said that creates two classes of MP. And what would a government reliant on Scottish MPs do if it came to matters of health, education etc? Accept they can't get their agenda through?
  • Devomax would surely just fuel the call for total independence? "We're almost independent now, why not go the whole way..."
    Nope, Devomax would definitely kill Scottish Nationalism stone dead.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109
    "'AI mafia' gang bombards London restaurant with scathing fake Google reviews to extort £10,000"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-14205573/Fake-google-reviews-AI-mafia-restaurant.html
  • "Happy Christmas" annoys me

    It's the one time of year when we can wish people merriness

    Blimey, its tough out there if you don't wish to offend.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    But as people have said that creates two classes of MP. And what would a government reliant on Scottish MPs do if it came to matters of health, education etc? Accept they can't get their agenda through?
    It was a Westminster parliament that created two classes of MP in the first place, for fear of losing Scotland completely.

    And as for your second point - exactly so. Some of their agenda, yes, but not all.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,847

    OH dear Kemi

    If you can't land a blow this week at PMQ it's truly time to go.

    The two sides of the Chamber as SKS sat down, Labour cheering and laughing, Tories sat in abject stony silence

    A few slaps landed early, easily rebuffed with swift left hooks, her failure to move off script cruelly exposed by the 4th and flat knockout for Starmer in the 6th.

    Where do the utterly bereft Tories go from here.

    She was better than earlier outings.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Pulpstar said:

    The discovery will be interesting mind, just how did JB Pritzker know about the poll prior to release ?
    I suspect that, as with the ABC case, the aim is to see them forced to settle rather than be embarrased by the discovery process.

    As many of us said during the US election campaign, there need to be much tighter standards among pollsters on that side of the Pond.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    kle4 said:

    Sue Grey is in need of a job.
    Apparently Sir Kier is going to elevate this fine public servant to the house of Lords showing meritocracy is well and truly alive.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    edited December 2024
    I think women do get a harder time in politics than men. Not least because most of the commentary paid or unpaid seems to come from men. However it applies to Tories like Badenoch as well don't forget. And it's pretty obvious that not all abuse directed at Labour women comes from Tories and Reform.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,425

    £21,000,000,000. That's how much 39 key government suppliers billed the public sector for in FY23/24.

    https://x.com/Tussell_UK/status/1862227807633645853

    Bloody Starmer's paying himself a billion quid.

    And the top beneficiary is a French company.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    £21,000,000,000. That's how much 39 key government suppliers billed the public sector for in FY23/24.

    https://x.com/Tussell_UK/status/1862227807633645853

    Bloody Starmer's paying himself a billion quid.

    Never even heard of half of them.
  • She was better than earlier outings.
    She was and I agree with you about her reference to Brexit

    Otherwise clear and fair questions which were not answered
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,203

    I didn't expect to be an MP - what I've learned from taking a Tory's 'safe seat'
    NHS surgeon Peter Prinsley won the third safest Conservative seat - and had his life 'turned upside down' as a result

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/didnt-expect-mp-learned-tory-safe-seat-3436297 (£££)

    Landslides mean paper candidates get elected.

    When I had lunch with the Labour MP in the family, she said he is the most charming chap.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,820
    Damn. I will never laugh at the Gloucester scene in Lear again.

    Just been told I need an eye op to repair a hole in the macula - which involves suctioning out the vile jelly (vitreous humour) behind the lens.
    Should be fun.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,686

    A skim read made me think you were talking about Kemi.

    I always remember Dent saying she’d gradually came round to truffles after initially thinking they tasted of bum. Raised several questions..
    And I skim read this, and assumed you were talking about Susie Dent - the thought of whom uttering that sentence has given me distinctly mixed feelings.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,424

    Nope, Devomax would definitely kill Scottish Nationalism stone dead.
    Why do you say that? I'm genuinely curious.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,110
    edited December 2024

    Why do you say that? I'm genuinely curious.
    I jest..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Robertson,_Baron_Robertson_of_Port_Ellen#:~:text=In 1995, Robertson, while he,Scottish National Party (SNP).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    OH dear Kemi

    If you can't land a blow this week at PMQ it's truly time to go.

    The two sides of the Chamber as SKS sat down, Labour cheering and laughing, Tories sat in abject stony silence

    A few slaps landed early, easily rebuffed with swift left hooks, her failure to move off script cruelly exposed by the 4th and flat knockout for Starmer in the 6th.

    Where do the utterly bereft Tories go from here.

    Don’t forget to cancel the scheduled 12:20 post for the next two Wednesdays.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Blimey, its tough out there if you don't wish to offend.
    Proper snowflake that Livermore chap.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,847

    She was and I agree with you about her reference to Brexit

    Otherwise clear and fair questions which were not answered
    The whole shebang is a farce. Every PM since at least May has evaded answering questions. Badenoch is right about Starmer's stance on WASPI women.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,203
    Taz said:

    Cannot stand the bloody woman. She's awful.

    I have disliked her ever since she told Dev Griffin on Celebrity Masterchef she wouldn't feed his food to her dog.

    We were hoping someone like Andi Oliver would get it.
    Would have preferred Jay Rayner, but the BBC were always going to parachute in a woman, given the circumstances.

    But I do quite like her. She was good value of Thronecast too.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    I jest..
    Darn, and there I was thinking unionists would have a foolproof plan at last.
  • The whole shebang is a farce. Every PM since at least May has evaded answering questions. Badenoch is right about Starmer's stance on WASPI women.
    Good to agree
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Why do you say that? I'm genuinely curious.
    Ironical take on an assertion by Baron-to-be Robertson of Port Ellen, which is famous amongst politically interested Scots of a certain age:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Robertson,_Baron_Robertson_of_Port_Ellen#Quote_on_devolution

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,557
    Andy_JS said:

    "'AI mafia' gang bombards London restaurant with scathing fake Google reviews to extort £10,000"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-14205573/Fake-google-reviews-AI-mafia-restaurant.html

    Damn these AI bots. Taking jobs away from Yelp customer service people.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,922

    Trump does own a golf course in County Clare.

    Interestingly, someone has recently put up a fair bit of money to have Trump's golf course (and its hotel) heavily advertised on Irish radio, which is a bit unusual.
    Because Irish people really like it when Scottish-descended people take a plot of Irish land and put a fence around it?
  • OH dear Kemi

    If you can't land a blow this week at PMQ it's truly time to go.

    The two sides of the Chamber as SKS sat down, Labour cheering and laughing, Tories sat in abject stony silence

    A few slaps landed early, easily rebuffed with swift left hooks, her failure to move off script cruelly exposed by the 4th and flat knockout for Starmer in the 6th.

    Where do the utterly bereft Tories go from here.

    I think you are really poor and whoever is paying you to post this crap is not getting value for money. It is self evident that like Starmer, Reeves et al you are simply not up to the job
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,203
    I am LOVING the Chancellor saying her aim is to put money in people's pockets - by not taking it out of them by raising their taxes.

    She has some neck, I'll give her that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,480
    Poll average suggests Home Secretary Yvette Cooper would lose her Pontefract seat to Reform:

    🟪 REF 39% (+10)
    🟥 LAB 35% (-12)
    🟦 CON 16% (+1)
    🟩 GRN 6% (+1)
    🟧 LD 3% (-)

    Reform GAIN from Labour (11.1% swing)

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1868995960158011451
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,480
    kle4 said:

    And Theresa May was leading in the polls until March 2019, it didn't mean she was in a good place.
    She still won most seats in 2017
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,188
    MattW said:

    This interested me, so I went to look.

    Nasal influenza vaccines have been a thing in the UK since 2013.

    Children who get the flu vaccine are either clinically at-risk groups, or in households of who are immunocompromised.
    The flu vaccine is offered as standard at my kids' school - I assumed universal for kids in that age, doubt the school are paying for it. For adults it's at risk groups (i.e. my pregnant wife has had it, I have not)
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Carnyx said:

    Ironical take on an assertion by Baron-to-be Robertson of Port Ellen, which is famous amongst politically interested Scots of a certain age:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Robertson,_Baron_Robertson_of_Port_Ellen#Quote_on_devolution

    I think our very own Roger would have been proud of that one.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,756

    OH dear Kemi

    If you can't land a blow this week at PMQ it's truly time to go.

    The two sides of the Chamber as SKS sat down, Labour cheering and laughing, Tories sat in abject stony silence

    A few slaps landed early, easily rebuffed with swift left hooks, her failure to move off script cruelly exposed by the 4th and flat knockout for Starmer in the 6th.

    Where do the utterly bereft Tories go from here.

    LOL! We're going to have some fun with you over until '29 ;)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,424
    GIN1138 said:

    LOL! We're going to have some fun with you over until '29 ;)
    Nah - their internship at Labour HQ will only be for three months.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    Nigelb said:

    She's improved massively (as has the similarly rebarbative Marcus Wareing) in recent years. I used to dislike both quite a lot.

    I actually approve, FWIW. And she knows her onions.
    Given she is a professional food critic then knowing her "onions" should be a given.

    Shame she is just an unpleasant human being. There's no need. As the Peter Capaldi incarnation of the Doctor used to say, "be kind"

    Marcus Wareing is fine, but unlike Dent who just eats food and writes for a living, he is actually a chef so knows his onions on the kitchen side as well. I'll not forget that Chef on Great British Menu, Johnnie Fountain IIRC, having a colossal sulk when Marcus gave him a two for a desert.

  • HYUFD said:

    Poll average suggests Home Secretary Yvette Cooper would lose her Pontefract seat to Reform:

    🟪 REF 39% (+10)
    🟥 LAB 35% (-12)
    🟦 CON 16% (+1)
    🟩 GRN 6% (+1)
    🟧 LD 3% (-)

    Reform GAIN from Labour (11.1% swing)

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1868995960158011451

    I think that is a sub sample
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    HYUFD said:

    She still won most seats in 2017
    Even for you that is a non-sequiter.

    The point was that whilst it is true not every polling indicator is bad for the Tories (at least not to the same extent), party polling intention is capable of being misleading, since May was essentially powerless in early 2019 after the vote of no confidence and failed Brexit votes, yet someone in the future without context could pick a date where the Tories inexplicably still led in the polls and suggest they were doing great at that time.
  • A friend has sent me this Christmas decoration they have seen.

    The world is fucked.


  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,188
    kjh said:

    Agree. Boring meat. We will be having duck, as we did last year. The 3 years before that I made a Beef Wellington. A lot of hassle on Christmas Eve, but easy on the day
    Good turkey can actually be quite tasty. Ours now comes (when we do turkey, which is not every year) from the daughter of my in-laws' former next door neighbour, who has a small farm and they have a hell of a lot more flavour than the standard supermarket - or even local butcher - ones.

    This does however involve me meeting up with the farmer on Christmas eve in a car park with some cash, often under cover of darkness, and looking like I'm doing a drugs transaction :open_mouth:
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116

    I think you are really poor and whoever is paying you to post this crap is not getting value for money. It is self evident that like Starmer, Reeves et al you are simply not up to the job
    After the brazen way they just changed their tune on the WASPI issue in line with the Labour Govt Policy they clearly have little to offer. Not worth engaging with or bothering with. Just a Labour fanboy or fangirl.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,480
    edited December 2024

    But as people have said that creates two classes of MP. And what would a government reliant on Scottish MPs do if it came to matters of health, education etc? Accept they can't get their agenda through?
    There have been 2 classes of MP ever since Holyrood, the Senedd and Stormont were created. There is no going back now unless you scrap all the devolved governments and return their responsibilities back to Westminster which is not going to happen.

    So yes English only laws should only be voted on by English MPs but as I said more English only laws devolved away from Westminster anyway to the new unitary authorities and Mayors and London Assembly
  • I am LOVING the Chancellor saying her aim is to put money in people's pockets - by not taking it out of them by raising their taxes.

    She has some neck, I'll give her that.

    I thought she genuinely looked quite uncomfortable in that interview. She knows the lines aren’t landing as they should be. Of course she’s not going to be judged on a single interview but Labour still have work to do on the vision thing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,480

    Devomax would surely just fuel the call for total independence? "We're almost independent now, why not go the whole way..."
    Devomax for Quebec killed independence demands there, even though Quebec nationalists got 49% for independence from Canada in 1995
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109
    "John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul

    That “lenient” milkshake sentence is a propaganda gift to Nigel Farage. Me for @indypremium

    I think the 28-day jail sentence for John Murphy, who egged Jeremy Corbyn in 2019, was two-tier justice"

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1869050969960640750
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Liz Kendall makes announcement to WASPI women

    https://x.com/tykestakeonit/status/1869068682959503717

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    HYUFD said:

    Devomax for Quebec killed independence demands there, even though Quebec nationalists got 49% for independence from Canada in 1995
    If we're going with Quebec shouldn't that mean Scotland gets a second referendum first?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,480
    kle4 said:

    Even for you that is a non-sequiter.

    The point was that whilst it is true not every polling indicator is bad for the Tories (at least not to the same extent), party polling intention is capable of being misleading, since May was essentially powerless in early 2019 after the vote of no confidence and failed Brexit votes, yet someone in the future without context could pick a date where the Tories inexplicably still led in the polls and suggest they were doing great at that time.
    Badenoch winning the same number of seats May won would be an extraordinary triumph for her whereas the same seats was a near disaster for May.

    Context is everything, Badenoch is coming off a landslide Tory defeat for Sunak while May inherited a Tory majority from Cameron
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,820
    Andy_JS said:

    "John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul

    That “lenient” milkshake sentence is a propaganda gift to Nigel Farage. Me for @indypremium

    I think the 28-day jail sentence for John Murphy, who egged Jeremy Corbyn in 2019, was two-tier justice"

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1869050969960640750

    We didn't have quite the same prisons crisis in 2019, though.
    This "two-tier" stuff is just crap.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    edited December 2024
    HYUFD said:

    Badenoch winning the same number of seats May won would be an extraordinary triumph for her whereas the same seats was a near disaster for May.

    Context is everything, Badenoch is coming off a landslide Tory defeat for Sunak while May inherited a Tory majority from Cameron
    Congratulations with not engaging with my point at all. It wasn't even a criticism for heaven's sake.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    RL-B makes statement about WASPI women.

    https://x.com/RLong_Bailey/status/1869040127324098709
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116

    I thought she genuinely looked quite uncomfortable in that interview. She knows the lines aren’t landing as they should be. Of course she’s not going to be judged on a single interview but Labour still have work to do on the vision thing.
    I don't feel she is the most natural performer on TV either. She is probably very confident in private but on character, I don't know, she comes over as a little evasive I have always felt. Even when she is trying to directly answer.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Normally the PB regulars strongly disapprove when posters start picking on other posters and making disparaging remarks about them. It would appear, however, that our latest left-wing poster is for some reason seen as fair game. I'm not sure why people can't just ignore comments they don't like, rather than attacking the poster making them.

    While simultaneously ascribing it to both Labour London HQ and an Islington PBer.
  • Normally the PB regulars strongly disapprove when posters start picking on other posters and making disparaging remarks about them. It would appear, however, that our latest left-wing poster is for some reason seen as fair game. I'm not sure why people can't just ignore comments they don't like, rather than attacking the poster making them.

    Normally the PB regulars strongly disapprove when posters start picking on other posters and making disparaging remarks about them. It would appear, however, that our latest left-wing poster is for some reason seen as fair game. I'm not sure why people can't just ignore comments they don't like, rather than attacking the poster making them.

    Typical lefty nonsense from you there Al......
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,686

    This pictures shows two city centres according to @Cookie...

    https://www.getintonewcastle.co.uk/things-to-do/get-to-know-businesses-along-the-quayside

    As does this one...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_Bridge,_Greater_Manchester#/media/File:N2_Trinity_Bridge_manchester.jpg

    Funny old world!
    No, the first one is a city centre and a town centre. *

    The second one is indeed two city centres. I don't see a problem with this.
    Your position appears to be that municipal boundaries can only be in fields. It's not obvious to me that this should be the case.

    *Actually, to be pedantic, Gateshead Town Centre is about half a mile away from Baltic Quay, so not really in that pic. But that changes neither your argument nor mine. I'm happy to concede a little poetic license for the sake of a pretty picture.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,203
    "Look, give them a big payout and they'd only piss it away on booze and fags..."
  • This government is getting a reputation for harming pensioners. There's even a novelty Christmas record:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
    Why are the well-off like me, getting a free £10 Xmas Bonus from the DWP - which arrived today. Pointless and expensive to administrate. What am I going to do with it? Pay it back when I do my Self Assessment in January.

    A lot of this past detritus which may or not have been sensible at the time, needs culling.
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