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  • Taz said:

    Why should he resign ?

    They have received the justice they deserve.
    Absolutely agree.

    Well done to this government, one of the best things they have done.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    algarkirk said:

    Fair point, but there is another side. In our own day we are more and more aware of the link between the natural world and ourselves, and the risk of losing it. Easter is an occasion where the movements of nature take priority over the convenience of people.

    It is fixed by two naturally occurring events: the spring equinox and the full moon, joined to two past events, Good Friday being a Friday at the time of the Passover and the empty tomb being seen on a Sunday.

    Change would gain something but also lose a little of our inheritance from antiquity.
    The spring equinox is on or around the same day each year – 21/22 March. I have no idea what you are talking about with an empty tomb but if this is a historical event as you imply, then presumably it occurred on a given day in history? So actually we are moving this holiday due to whims of the lunar calendar –– crackers.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,085
    viewcode said:

    So she'll be an independent member who may or may not "caucus with" (ie vote with) Republicans. Isn't this grounds for having her expelled from the Republican Party?

    She'll almost certainly be primaried in the midterms
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492

    Starmer or the next Labour leader could follow Cameron's lead at the next GE and promise an in/out EU referendum.
    Starmer could renegotiate the Brexit agreement and then challenge people to vote for it or give up and rejoin, then be forced to resign when people reject his deal.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    Starmer or the next Labour leader could follow Cameron's lead at the next GE and promise an in/out EU referendum.
    WIll he set out the terms? Locked into the Euro too? What are the annual joining fees? Stuff like that...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,296
    TimS said:

    God it's dark today. Despite thinner cloud than yesterday, it's essentially the gloaming from dawn to dusk.

    I woke up at 10.30, looked outside, decided my very slight cold merited an entire day in bed
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited December 2024

    When you've lost them, voters are very patient when waiting to tell parties they have lost their confidence. It was clear they wanted the Tories out. Sunak waiting a further six months would likeliest have just pissed off more of them. However long you play it, there is no happy outcome. Maybe too soon to say that of Starmer, but the signs aren't good.
    Nottingham's population is 768,638, according to the ONS.

    Yet Nottingham City Council's population is only 323,632.

    So only 42% of the city's population is captured by the council area –– that is clearly insane and should have been fixed decades ago.

    P.S. It's not just Nottingham that has this problem – similar issues exist in Newcastle, Bristol, Manchester etc.
  • To be fair, I’m not sure he could afford to compensate them and it’s not really his fault…
    Of course HMG can afford it, many times over. We choose not to pay them and rightly so, because their case is very weak.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 727

    To be fair, I’m not sure he could afford to compensate them and it’s not really his fault…
    The Pension Secretary is a woman -Liz Kendall.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Taz said:

    Why should he resign ?

    They have received the justice they deserve.
    Seems terribly confused about the Scotland Acts and what's devolved and what isn't, that's for sure.

    Unless he wants to claim credit for cancelling the WFA?

    *checks*

    Presumably not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70452jj21ro
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,207

    There’s a whole YouTube genre dedicated to people stamping on the accelerator in EVs and discovering what a flat torque curve from zero means.
    It's a measure of the civilised nature of Ashley's comments that I am unlikely to be flamed heavily for my suggestion that all EVs be hardware moderated to 8s 0-60 and 3s 0-30.

    And that people who need to hoon to get into a gap need to wait for a larger gap.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,695

    Genuine question for the Land Value taxation-ers. Would a shop with a flat above it share the LVT equally?
    Depends on the scheme, and whether there's zoning built into the LVT model. Often you'd have one land value and then a multiplier-type calculation where the land is shared between different uses. But there is a strong argument from my perspective that this should be left to the market: there is a LVT on the land, that is charged to the freeholder(s), and how it's then divvied up is down to them.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,847

    Can't the manufacturers speed limit them?
    Speed isn’t the problem.

    It’s acceleration. A Tesla P100D can do 0-60 in 2 and 1/4 seconds. Further, the acceleration from 0 to 30 is even more ferocious than that implies - electric cars have full power from zero (pretty much)

    Even quite down market EVs can accelerate very hard. The EV van drivers have discovered how much fun they can have…

    It’s why electric cars suddenly came in. Buy a saloon car that can wipe out super cars at the lights…

  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,207
    edited December 2024
    Easter Heggs 2025 on display in a shop in Jersey.

    https://x.com/libertylester/status/1868666786549490089

    Come one @Malmesbury (I think), sort it out !

    Plus:


    Liberty Jane Lester @libertylester 6h
    Can we talk about the real Easter shocker? It’s illegal to dance on Good Friday in Jersey, illegal.

    https://x.com/libertylester/status/1868930427354071331
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,695

    Speed isn’t the problem.

    It’s acceleration. A Tesla P100D can do 0-60 in 2 and 1/4 seconds. Further, the acceleration from 0 to 30 is even more ferocious than that implies - electric cars have full power from zero (pretty much)

    Even quite down market EVs can accelerate very hard. The EV van drivers have discovered how much fun they can have…

    It’s why electric cars suddenly came in. Buy a saloon car that can wipe out super cars at the lights…

    My humble Renault Zoe is incredibly quick out of the blocks. It's just not very quick once the "out of the blocks" phase of driving has been completed.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,695
    MattW said:

    Easter Heggs 2025 on display in a shop in Jersey.

    https://x.com/libertylester/status/1868666786549490089

    Come one @Malmesbury (I think), sort it out !

    Plus:


    Liberty Jane Lester @libertylester 6h
    Can we talk about the real Easter shocker? It’s illegal to dance on Good Friday in Jersey, illegal.

    https://x.com/libertylester/status/1868930427354071331

    And some Swiss cantons
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,207

    British Government takes MOD Housing Stock back off Rachmanesque Guy Hands Terra Firma 36000 properties for £6bn

    Another unholy mess perpetrated by Major on 1996 and subject of Legal action after successive Tory Governments fecked it up still more.

    Win for Servicemen
    Win long term as will save MOD money

    For Country
    Not Party

    Not short term bollocks
    Long term planning

    You're not wrong.

    Defence Committee today - if MOD invest to improve a property, the asset value increase accrues to the private partner, and the rent charged goes up.

    Fucked up.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited December 2024
    Who's the cricketer chappie getting an apotheosis in the painting? And what club is he?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307
    Very well done to the government, I am genuinely surprised by this sensible and appropriate decision.

    Campaigners have reacted with fury to what it calls the government's "unjustified" rejection of compensation for women hit by changes to the state pension age.

    They say 3.6 million women born in the 1950s were not properly informed of the rise in state pension age to bring them into line with men.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall apologised for a 28-month delay in sending letters, but has rejected any kind of financial payouts.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czr36842nd6o
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Nottingham's population is 768,638, according to the ONS.

    Yet Nottingham City Council's population is only 323,632.

    So only 42% of the city's population is captured by the council area –– that is clearly insane and should have been fixed decades ago.

    P.S. It's not just Nottingham that has this problem – similar issues exist in Newcastle, Bristol, Manchester etc.
    Glasgow too.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,085
    MattW said:

    You're not wrong.

    Defence Committee today - if MOD invest to improve a property, the asset value increase accrues to the private partner, and the rent charged goes up.

    Fucked up.

    Who the fuck wrote that perverse contract out.
  • Taz said:

    Why should he resign ?

    They have received the justice they deserve.
    Well, I guess he's not the only one with flexible principles.

    Then: we want your vote.
    Now: we've got your vote.

    https://x.com/DaveDooganSNP/status/1869018016484298910
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,084
    Pulpstar said:

    Who the fuck wrote that perverse contract out.
    Sir Humphrey Appleby?

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5v4ri7
  • Carnyx said:

    Who's the cricketer chappie getting an apotheosis in the painting? And what club is he?
    The head Trumper himself.
    Perhaps Tong has a cricket club
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,207
    edited December 2024

    Nottingham's population is 768,638, according to the ONS.

    Yet Nottingham City Council's population is only 323,632.

    So only 42% of the city's population is captured by the council area –– that is clearly insane and should have been fixed decades ago.

    P.S. It's not just Nottingham that has this problem – similar issues exist in Newcastle, Bristol, Manchester etc.
    I think that's Nottingham Urban Area, which is a fairly bizarre methodology.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_Urban_Area

    It includes places nearly 15 miles away.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307

    Well, I guess he's not the only one with flexible principles.

    Then: we want your vote.
    Now: we've got your vote.

    https://x.com/DaveDooganSNP/status/1869018016484298910
    Going to be a lot of those photo comparisons to spread around. Holyrood elections definitely more competitive than they looked like 8 months ago.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135
    MaxPB said:

    A lot of talk about how Labour boxed themselves in with the tax pledges, but looking at the results it seems that they probably needed to. Yes, the majority is big but it's based on winning just 33% of the vote. Not making those big tax pledges would have resulted far fewer Tory to Labour switchers and driven Tory no shows to the polling booth. We could have seen a 30-27 result in the end which wouldn't have even been a majority let alone the huge one they got.

    Labour's majority is built on sand and I think without those big tax pledges they would be in minority government or in a coalition with the Lib Dems.

    Perhaps. It's possible that by being honest with the voters about the fiscal position and the necessity to increase taxes to spend more to fix things, that they then could have been bolder about their promises for spending.

    This might have inspired more confidence about them knowing what they were doing and being a change from the status quo. They might have won a larger majority, with a share of the vote nudging 40% on a higher turnout.

    I think Starmer's timidity is one of the reasons he underwhelmed in the election campaign, and is losing popularity now. It doesn't inspire confidence.

    Perhaps that means you're right, and the best campaign Starmer could have run was a timid one. I don't know. But I'd have liked to have seen the argument made and a proper debate happen.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    edited December 2024

    Yes, this place has been a PB Tory group therapy session since the election. It really is becoming extremely dull. One would have hoped they’d have got the eff over it by now, but clearly not.

    Still, 20mph in Wales and cash-only parking meters or something.
    Oh ducks, not enough people being nice about this disastrous turd sandwich of a Government for your liking?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135

    What did she fuck with the budget exactly? I remember your predicting that she couldn't win because if she changed the borrowing rules to give herself headroom, the gilt markets would spiral out of control.

    You were wrong.
    Anabobazina, pilot in charge of a plane spiralling towards a mountainside with all the cockpit lights flashing red. "What have I fucked with flying this plane exactly? We're still flying aren't we?"
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135

    Just been on the A55 heading towards Conwy and the road signs say Port Closed

    This is not good news for Holyhead or Irish sea trade

    HGVs were conspicuous by their absence

    Holyhead port drone video shows damage that's halted ferry services to Ireland

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/holyhead-port-drone-video-shows-30604077#ICID=Android_DailyPostNewsApp_AppShare

    Seems that there's enough capacity at Fishguard and Rosslare. Maybe Holyhead won't reopen? Bad news for the M4, perhaps.

    Wasn't there an M4 upgrade project the Welsh government binned? Oops.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Speed isn’t the problem.

    It’s acceleration. A Tesla P100D can do 0-60 in 2 and 1/4 seconds. Further, the acceleration from 0 to 30 is even more ferocious than that implies - electric cars have full power from zero (pretty much)

    Even quite down market EVs can accelerate very hard. The EV van drivers have discovered how much fun they can have…

    It’s why electric cars suddenly came in. Buy a saloon car that can wipe out super cars at the lights…

    There needs to be much more driver training and awareness.

    To be fair, the £100k Tesla that can have fun with McLarens and Porsches at the traffic lights isn’t being bought by anyone who doesn’t know what it is, but the lesser models are often much faster than the average driver might realise.

    It would make sense to limit full power to a kickdown mode, so that it’s not inadvertently activated by someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing. The average £40k Tesla Model 3 can line up against £120k supersaloon cars (M5, E63 etc) and aquaint themselves pretty well, which is where you get the problems.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,539
    Carnyx said:

    Glasgow too.
    I’m not sure about Newcastle. Going East from Newcastle you go Byker, Walker, Wallsend and then North Shields, Tynemouth / Whitley Bay all of which have their own (none Newcastle) identity.

    Going North it’s Newcastle until Ponteland, going south it’s immediately Gateshead.

    And going West it’s Newcastle all the way to open countryside
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,955

    Anabobazina, pilot in charge of a plane spiralling towards a mountainside with all the cockpit lights flashing red. "What have I fucked with flying this plane exactly? We're still flying aren't we?"
    Baby bird falling off cliff with cockpit noises: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVEZSJt3dLo
  • Speed isn’t the problem.

    It’s acceleration. A Tesla P100D can do 0-60 in 2 and 1/4 seconds. Further, the acceleration from 0 to 30 is even more ferocious than that implies - electric cars have full power from zero (pretty much)

    Even quite down market EVs can accelerate very hard. The EV van drivers have discovered how much fun they can have…

    It’s why electric cars suddenly came in. Buy a saloon car that can wipe out super cars at the lights…

    Yes understand but surely given all the other safety put into modern cars we can establish some acceleration limit thresholds for 0-30 and 0-60 for cars to get licensed, and manufacturers can build that into the designs?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,084
    edited December 2024

    Seems that there's enough capacity at Fishguard and Rosslare. Maybe Holyhead won't reopen? Bad news for the M4, perhaps.

    Wasn't there an M4 upgrade project the Welsh government binned? Oops.
    Very bad news for the A40 given there's major work on the tunnels at Monmouth this week as well, although I suppose the traffic could be diverted south around the M4.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135

    They should hold it on that weekend every year, instead of the ludicrous nonsense of moving it every year based on some ancient algorithm of the moon or tide or some random priest's circadian rhythms. It is completely mad that it moves, wasting time for businesses and other organisations rescheduling every bloody year.
    I agree that there are benefits to a fixed date for Easter, but a date earlier in the year would be better than April 20th. Easter is so late this year that Pancake Day is in March. Pancake Day should be in February.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,233

    Speed isn’t the problem.

    It’s acceleration. A Tesla P100D can do 0-60 in 2 and 1/4 seconds. Further, the acceleration from 0 to 30 is even more ferocious than that implies - electric cars have full power from zero (pretty much)


    This is bollocks. Power = torque x rpm. So at low wheel/rotor speeds EVs are not delivering anything close to "full power".

    They are not even delivering Max torque because the locked rotor torque (0 rpm) is less than peak torque. Also EVs torque limit output at low rpm to increase drivetrain reliability.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,130
    edited December 2024
    kle4 said:

    Going to be a lot of those photo comparisons to spread around. Holyrood elections definitely more competitive than they looked like 8 months ago.
    Lots and lots, most of SLab by the looks of it. They'll get round it by the time honoured method (cf Brexit) of pretending the WASPI thing doesn't and never has existed.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,200
    kle4 said:

    Very well done to the government, I am genuinely surprised by this sensible and appropriate decision.

    Campaigners have reacted with fury to what it calls the government's "unjustified" rejection of compensation for women hit by changes to the state pension age.

    They say 3.6 million women born in the 1950s were not properly informed of the rise in state pension age to bring them into line with men.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall apologised for a 28-month delay in sending letters, but has rejected any kind of financial payouts.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czr36842nd6o

    Yes, this is an excellent decision from the govt, impressed with how quickly since coming to office they have come up with a final position.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307

    Lots and lots, most of SLab by the looks of it. They'll get round it by the time honoured method of pretending the WASPI thing doesn't and never has existed.
    I think this decision does lend credence to the idea things really were worse than Lab expected upon taking power, since the pre-election rhetoric was less vague than it could have been on this issue, so Slab and others really will have been taken by surprise by the choice made.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,695

    Perhaps. It's possible that by being honest with the voters about the fiscal position and the necessity to increase taxes to spend more to fix things, that they then could have been bolder about their promises for spending.

    This might have inspired more confidence about them knowing what they were doing and being a change from the status quo. They might have won a larger majority, with a share of the vote nudging 40% on a higher turnout.

    I think Starmer's timidity is one of the reasons he underwhelmed in the election campaign, and is losing popularity now. It doesn't inspire confidence.

    Perhaps that means you're right, and the best campaign Starmer could have run was a timid one. I don't know. But I'd have liked to have seen the argument made and a proper debate happen.
    There's a version of events where the Labour majority would have been even bigger and it would have been wipeout time. If:

    - October 7th and the Gaza invasion hadn't happened, and/or the Greens came out in support of Israel
    - The Tories had a last minute scrambled attempt at replacing Sunak. Instead they remained pretty united in the final weeks
    - Sunak had waited until this Autumn for the election (and Starmer might now be basking in the immediate post-election honeymoon)

    I think Labour would have won even with tax rises in the manifesto, because everyone knew what was likely to happen. But it certainly would have given the Tories and the Tory press something to rally around during the campaign and would probably have drowned out all other stories.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    Perhaps. It's possible that by being honest with the voters about the fiscal position and the necessity to increase taxes to spend more to fix things, that they then could have been bolder about their promises for spending.

    This might have inspired more confidence about them knowing what they were doing and being a change from the status quo. They might have won a larger majority, with a share of the vote nudging 40% on a higher turnout.

    I think Starmer's timidity is one of the reasons he underwhelmed in the election campaign, and is losing popularity now. It doesn't inspire confidence.

    Perhaps that means you're right, and the best campaign Starmer could have run was a timid one. I don't know. But I'd have liked to have seen the argument made and a proper debate happen.
    I doubt it, if one party was pledging to not increase income tax and the other one was then there's only one direction where the votes go. It would become Labour's tax bombshell and the whole campaign becomes a relentless assault on which taxes Labour will raise and by how much and adverts showing "Labour will increase your tax by £3000" etc...

    I actually think that in the counterfactual the Tories could have eked out a tiny vote share lead and been only just behind in seats, that's how damaging a tax raising campaign would have been. A very large majority of working people already think taxes are too high, a relentless campaign on it would have submerged Labour IMO.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307

    I agree that there are benefits to a fixed date for Easter, but a date earlier in the year would be better than April 20th. Easter is so late this year that Pancake Day is in March. Pancake Day should be in February.
    Well, the Easter Act 1928 was never enforced but apparently set Easter as being between 9 April and 15 April every year.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited December 2024
    MattW said:

    I think that's Nottingham Urban Area, which is a fairly bizarre methodology.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_Urban_Area

    It includes places nearly 15 miles away.
    Why is it bizarre? It's the Greater Nottingham area. Maybe the odd edge case settlement is 14 miles away, most of it is nothing like far away. And so what?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_Urban_Area

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135

    The spring equinox is on or around the same day each year – 21/22 March. I have no idea what you are talking about with an empty tomb but if this is a historical event as you imply, then presumably it occurred on a given day in history? So actually we are moving this holiday due to whims of the lunar calendar –– crackers.
    Lunisolar calendars are a bit erratic, yes.

    Guess when the Easter Rising is commemorated?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,233

    Yes understand but surely given all the other safety put into modern cars we can establish some acceleration limit thresholds for 0-30 and 0-60 for cars to get licensed, and manufacturers can build that into the designs?
    They definitely could and it would be possible to implement it entirely in software. However, it would be very unpopular, hinder EV adoption and ultimately there are only a tiny minority who are trying to rip sub 10s quarters regularly.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    viewcode said:

    So she'll be an independent member who may or may not "caucus with" (ie vote with) Republicans. Isn't this grounds for having her expelled from the Republican Party?

    Not when you have so slim a majority.
    See, also, the years of crap from Mnachin that the Democrats put up with - because to was, on balance, just about worth it in a 50/50 Senate.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I agree that there are benefits to a fixed date for Easter, but a date earlier in the year would be better than April 20th. Easter is so late this year that Pancake Day is in March. Pancake Day should be in February.
    Why should it? Who gives a toss*?

    In any case it's not the date so much that I'm arguing about, it's the moronic shifting of it. First or second weekend in April would be fine too.


    (*Yes, I know, I know)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    Pulpstar said:

    She'll almost certainly be primaried in the midterms
    They'll quite likely lose their majority in the midterms.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    The head Trumper himself.
    Perhaps Tong has a cricket club
    I did wonder a little bit but couldn't believe it. Far more likely to be camanachd if that were the logic.

    What on earth is that trying to convey? Elephant polo?
  • Just been on the A55 heading towards Conwy and the road signs say Port Closed

    This is not good news for Holyhead or Irish sea trade

    HGVs were conspicuous by their absence

    Holyhead port drone video shows damage that's halted ferry services to Ireland

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/holyhead-port-drone-video-shows-30604077#ICID=Android_DailyPostNewsApp_AppShare

    It's been shut since storm Darragh, a lot of traffic now heading north and travelling through Cairnryan/Liverpool.

    Doesn't sound like they'll get the repairs done before Christmas
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,750
    Pulpstar said:

    Who the fuck wrote that perverse contract out.
    Portillo's legacy.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Anabobazina, pilot in charge of a plane spiralling towards a mountainside with all the cockpit lights flashing red. "What have I fucked with flying this plane exactly? We're still flying aren't we?"
    Not really. Next.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492
    edited December 2024
    Quite inflammatory language from a US senator who says the healthcare system is killing thousands and “doesn’t give a shit about people”.

    https://x.com/chrismurphyct/status/1868406841325007036
  • Dura_Ace said:

    They definitely could and it would be possible to implement it entirely in software. However, it would be very unpopular, hinder EV adoption and ultimately there are only a tiny minority who are trying to rip sub 10s quarters regularly.

    The car relentlessly beeping for driving at 1mph over the speed limit is pretty unpopular too but they still make the manufacturers install it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    Leon said:

    I woke up at 10.30, looked outside, decided my very slight cold merited an entire day in bed
    I prescribe complete rest, including a break from browsing the interwebs.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    eek said:

    I’m not sure about Newcastle. Going East from Newcastle you go Byker, Walker, Wallsend and then North Shields, Tynemouth / Whitley Bay all of which have their own (none Newcastle) identity.

    Going North it’s Newcastle until Ponteland, going south it’s immediately Gateshead.

    And going West it’s Newcastle all the way to open countryside
    The "they have their own identity" thing is massively overegged. Do you think people from Wimbledon or Ealing are Londoners?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    I noticed this also in the Northwelsh news linky from BigG - something to gladden @CorrectHorseBattery : a mast being demolished with planning permission and all. (Wartime relic, important then, apparently.)

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-landmark-played-vital-role-30599713?int_source=nba
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307

    The "they have their own identity" thing is massively overegged. Do you think people from Wimbledon or Ealing are Londoners?
    That's always overegged. Especially as the other common trope is that most areas do not have enough unique identity thesedays.
  • kle4 said:

    I think this decision does lend credence to the idea things really were worse than Lab expected upon taking power, since the pre-election rhetoric was less vague than it could have been on this issue, so Slab and others really will have been taken by surprise by the choice made.
    Perhaps now the more gormless among their ranks may learn to keep their traps shut before making promises, though I'm not betting on it. Not Anas obvs, he's beyond help.

    'Anas Sarwar has said there will be no austerity under a Labour government as he fended off accusations from the SNP during an ill-tempered BBC Scotland leaders’ debate.

    The first minister and SNP leader John Swinney repeatedly claimed on Tuesday evening that “independent experts said there would be £18bn of cuts after this election whether the Conservatives or Labour party form the government”. The audience loudly applauded Sarwar when he countered: “Read my lips: no austerity under Labour.”'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/11/read-my-lips-no-austerity-under-labour-sarwar-tells-scottish-leaders-debate
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307

    Perhaps now the more gormless among their ranks may learn to keep their traps shut before making promises, though I'm not betting on it. Not Anas obvs, he's beyond help.

    'Anas Sarwar has said there will be no austerity under a Labour government as he fended off accusations from the SNP during an ill-tempered BBC Scotland leaders’ debate.

    The first minister and SNP leader John Swinney repeatedly claimed on Tuesday evening that “independent experts said there would be £18bn of cuts after this election whether the Conservatives or Labour party form the government”. The audience loudly applauded Sarwar when he countered: “Read my lips: no austerity under Labour.”'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/11/read-my-lips-no-austerity-under-labour-sarwar-tells-scottish-leaders-debate
    No one should have believed that, but it's still wrong to have pushed it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited December 2024

    Perhaps now the more gormless among their ranks may learn to keep their traps shut before making promises, though I'm not betting on it. Not Anas obvs, he's beyond help.

    'Anas Sarwar has said there will be no austerity under a Labour government as he fended off accusations from the SNP during an ill-tempered BBC Scotland leaders’ debate.

    The first minister and SNP leader John Swinney repeatedly claimed on Tuesday evening that “independent experts said there would be £18bn of cuts after this election whether the Conservatives or Labour party form the government”. The audience loudly applauded Sarwar when he countered: “Read my lips: no austerity under Labour.”'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/11/read-my-lips-no-austerity-under-labour-sarwar-tells-scottish-leaders-debate
    I'm old enough to remember when Slab actually won a by-election (Westminster variety) [edit] partly by promising to abolish the 2-bairn limit.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,695

    The car relentlessly beeping for driving at 1mph over the speed limit is pretty unpopular too but they still make the manufacturers install it.
    The problem with those driver assistance gizmos at the moment is that we're in this transitional state between automation and manual driving. We get the nagging but still have to shoulder the responsibility of actually being in charge of the car.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    They definitely could and it would be possible to implement it entirely in software. However, it would be very unpopular, hinder EV adoption and ultimately there are only a tiny minority who are trying to rip sub 10s quarters regularly.

    In the Leaf you can activate snail mode by pressing the ECO button, if you really want to.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,584
    edited December 2024
    @TSE

    Been watching Paula Vennells' Solicitor putting the case for at at the close of the PO Inquiry. She couldn't have looked more uncomfortable if she had been representing Satan.

    I guess this is something you briefs have to learn to deal with...or does it come naturally?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,847
    edited December 2024
    Dura_Ace said:

    They definitely could and it would be possible to implement it entirely in software. However, it would be very unpopular, hinder EV adoption and ultimately there are only a tiny minority who are trying to rip sub 10s quarters regularly.

    They do limit acceleration to an extent. On the original Tesla Roadster, it proved very hard to design a gear train that could survive such massive torque from zero.

    Insurance costs are probably the limiting issue, at the moment.

    The EV delivery van drivers seem to love launching - that and using the weight of the battery, low down, to help corner very, very sharply, while accelerating
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited December 2024
    kle4 said:

    That's always overegged. Especially as the other common trope is that most areas do not have enough unique identity thesedays.
    The simple truth is that they are Londoners and will mostly say they are from London when meeting people. They might specify which part of London, just as someone from Gateshead often says they are from Newcastle when they are on holiday but might then specify which bit if/when asked.

    And councils are about sensible urban planning not spurious parochial claims.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907

    The head Trumper himself...
    Say thirty Hail Marys*, and repent your disgraceful besmirchment of the memory of the great Victor Trumper.

    *Full of Grace.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    DoctorG said:

    It's been shut since storm Darragh, a lot of traffic now heading north and travelling through Cairnryan/Liverpool.

    Doesn't sound like they'll get the repairs done before Christmas
    Still less so, now there's a weather warning for the Welsh coast (and some of NI and S Scotland).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,085
    edited December 2024


    Here's where I'd boundary Notts city council.

    I think you need a hard stop at the M1, and the most marginal settlement to my mind should be Hucknall. Generally the boundary needs to stop at the Trent to the south, though I'd head past it for contiguous built up areas beyond (& yes golf courses are built up areas). It certainly doesn't go 15 miles away but it definitely DOES include Beeston 1000%.
  • @TSE

    Been watching Paula Vennells' Solicitor putting the case for at at the close of the PO Inquiry. She couldn't have looked more uncomfortable if she had been representing Satan.

    I guess this is something you briefs have to learn to deal with...or does it come naturally?

    You learn you cannot polish a turd but that you can add glitter to it.

    Semantics are your friend.

    I remember spinning for a client and my argument was that ‘they are so good hearted that they couldn’t conceive that some people are bad people out there as they assumed everybody was as nice as them’ when they didn’t ask some questions about some blatant fraud going on under their watch.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    Carnyx said:

    I did wonder a little bit but couldn't believe it. Far more likely to be camanachd if that were the logic.

    What on earth is that trying to convey? Elephant polo?
    Painted by a sycophant*, and it's a tennis sweater.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Visionary

    *After Holbein's Anne of Cleeves.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492

    Quite inflammatory language from a US senator who says the healthcare system is killing thousands and “doesn’t give a shit about people”.

    https://x.com/chrismurphyct/status/1868406841325007036

    Whereas Trump condemns the 'sickness' of people supporting Luigi:

    https://nypost.com/2024/12/16/us-news/donald-trump-rips-public-fawning-of-accused-ceo-killer-luigi-mangione-as-a-sickness-people-seem-to-admire-him/
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,233

    In the Leaf you can activate snail mode by pressing the ECO button, if you really want to.
    Our iX has Eco Pro mode which I theorise limits current draw in the BMS to improve range and reduce performance. I put a Dragy on ours and it did 0-120mph in 16s which makes it brisk but no more. It's not that fast off the line coz it's a porker. It'll also only pull 0.8g lateral acceleration.



  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Pulpstar said:



    Here's where I'd boundary Notts city council.

    I think you need a hard stop at the M1, and the most marginal settlement to my mind should be Hucknall. Generally the boundary needs to stop at the Trent to the south, though I'd head past it for contiguous built up areas beyond (& yes golf courses are built up areas). It certainly doesn't go 15 miles away but it definitely DOES include Beeston 1000%.

    Looks about right to me. I'd chuck in Ilkeston too for sure. TBH your map is not far from the official Greater Nottingham Urban Area as defined by the ONS (although they include some settlements to the NW - e.g. Heanor – I think)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135
    edited December 2024

    The simple truth is that they are Londoners and will mostly say they are from London when meeting people. They might specify which part of London, just as someone from Gateshead often says they are from Newcastle when they are on holiday but might then specify which bit if/when asked.

    And councils are about sensible urban planning not spurious parochial claims.
    As a Londoner, my assumption was that Londoners would tell non-Londoners they were from London, but if talking to another Londoner, they'd specify the district.

    But I had a London immigrant tell me that I was wrong, and proper Londoners always told people what part of London they were from. As if a Cork man is likely to know the difference between Clapham and West Norwood.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    Trump having another normal day.

    Trump sues Des Moines Register, pollster
    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5043821-donald-trump-des-moines-register-ann-selzer-lawsuit/

    Chances are, the second administration will be a clusterfuck.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492
    Nigelb said:

    Trump having another normal day.

    Trump sues Des Moines Register, pollster
    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5043821-donald-trump-des-moines-register-ann-selzer-lawsuit/

    Chances are, the second administration will be a clusterfuck.

    Ann Selzer did joke in the past that it would cost a lot of money to get her to rig a poll because she'd have to retire afterwards.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907

    As a Londoner, my assumption was that Londoners would tell non-Londoners they were from London, but if talking to another Londoner, they'd specify the district.

    But I had a London immigrant tell me that I was wrong, and proper Londoners always told people what part of London they were from. As if a Cork man is likely to know the difference between Clapham and West Norwood.
    Has anyone ever asked the man on the West Norwood omnibus ?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    As a Londoner, my assumption was that Londoners would tell non-Londoners they were from London, but if talking to another Londoner, they'd specify the district.

    But I had a London immigrant tell me that I was wrong, and proper Londoners always told people what part of London they were from. As if a Cork man is likely to know the difference between Clapham and West Norwood.
    Indeed so. I think that is spot on.

    Meanwhile, if we are drawing maps for policy makers who apparently read this thread (?), the new Newcastle Super Council should look something like this IMO.


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307

    You learn you cannot polish a turd but that you can add glitter to it.

    Semantics are your friend.

    I remember spinning for a client and my argument was that ‘they are so good hearted that they couldn’t conceive that some people are bad people out there as they assumed everybody was as nice as them’ when they didn’t ask some questions about some blatant fraud going on under their watch.
    Well, it is at least a slight variant on the classic "I'm too stupid to be criminal" defence, with a better chance of still falling upwards into some well paying gig from well connected mates.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307
    Nigelb said:

    Trump having another normal day.

    Trump sues Des Moines Register, pollster
    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5043821-donald-trump-des-moines-register-ann-selzer-lawsuit/

    Chances are, the second administration will be a clusterfuck.

    A man consumed by grudges both large and petty.

    He should have a lot of people commit crimes on his behalf too - I know he's immune from most crimes anyway as President, but he might as well make use of the absurd pardon powers Presidents have as well.
  • eek said:

    I’m not sure about Newcastle. Going East from Newcastle you go Byker, Walker, Wallsend and then North Shields, Tynemouth / Whitley Bay all of which have their own (none Newcastle) identity.

    Going North it’s Newcastle until Ponteland, going south it’s immediately Gateshead.

    And going West it’s Newcastle all the way to open countryside
    I used to live in Heaton, in between Byker and Walker, and I don't remember anyone claiming that any of those areas were anything other than Newcastle. North Shields, Tynemouth and Whitley Bay maybe, but the inland suburbs to the east of the town centre no. Gateshead though certainly persisted in the fiction that it wasn't part of Newcastle, a fine example of the kind of boneheaded parochialism at which the north of England excels.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492
    kle4 said:

    A man consumed by grudges both large and petty.

    He should have a lot of people commit crimes on his behalf too - I know he's immune from most crimes anyway as President, but he might as well make use of the absurd pardon powers Presidents have as well.
    Number of pardons issued by recent presidents:

    Joe Biden - 8027
    Donald Trump - 237
    Barack Obama - 1927
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    Tanker number three is foundering.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1869027507011518807
  • eekeek Posts: 29,539
    edited December 2024

    Indeed so. I think that is spot on.

    Meanwhile, if we are drawing maps for policy makers who apparently read this thread (?), the new Newcastle Super Council should look something like this IMO.


    What super council - the mayoral area is Northumbria down to Newton Aycliffe and the unitary authorities are all a reasonable size anyway

    And you’ve basically just merged all of the Tyne and Wear unitary councils into a single council excluding Sunderland
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307

    Number of pardons issued by recent presidents:

    Joe Biden - 8027
    Donald Trump - 237
    Barack Obama - 1927
    Quite so - he underutilised it, Biden has shown the way in particular given the pardon to his son.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492
    Nigelb said:
    The capitalisation of Massive Storm made me think it was a new type of missile.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,847
    kle4 said:

    Well, it is at least a slight variant on the classic "I'm too stupid to be criminal" defence, with a better chance of still falling upwards into some well paying gig from well connected mates.
    The “I’m too nice to spot crime” thing is screaming at the top of your voice that you are “A Team Player” and a “Safe Pair of Hands”.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Nigelb said:
    These are 50-year-old river tankers that were condemned more than a decade ago, and shouldn’t have been near open water even when they were new.

    What a shame.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I used to live in Heaton, in between Byker and Walker, and I don't remember anyone claiming that any of those areas were anything other than Newcastle. North Shields, Tynemouth and Whitley Bay maybe, but the inland suburbs to the east of the town centre no. Gateshead though certainly persisted in the fiction that it wasn't part of Newcastle, a fine example of the kind of boneheaded parochialism at which the north of England excels.
    :D

    LOL – post of the day.

    Perfectly put.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,084

    Number of pardons issued by recent presidents:

    Joe Biden - 8027
    Donald Trump - 237
    Barack Obama - 1927
    Perhaps he hadn't decided on the scale of fees?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,207
    edited December 2024

    Why is it bizarre? It's the Greater Nottingham area. Maybe the odd edge case settlement is 14 miles away, most of it is nothing like far away. And so what?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_Urban_Area

    Old Denby, for example, is not the "Greater Nottingham Area". Nor is Heanor. Nor is Ripley.

    Drawing it out that far is beyond absurd.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,084
    Nigelb said:

    Trump having another normal day.

    Trump sues Des Moines Register, pollster
    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5043821-donald-trump-des-moines-register-ann-selzer-lawsuit/

    Chances are, the second administration will be a clusterfuck.

    That's a ridiculous comment.

    As if it's a mere chance rather than a stone certainty.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited December 2024
    eek said:

    What super council - the mayoral area is Northumbria down to Newton Aycliffe and the unitary authorities are all a reasonable size anyway

    And you’ve basically just merged all of the Tyne and Wear unitary councils into a single council excluding Sunderland
    Yes, I'd have a Greater Newcastle council and a Greater Sunderland one. Just two – that would be sensible geographically and from an economies of scale perspective.

    The white paper advocates for unitaries of at least 500,000 people AIUI – so many (all?) existing Tyneside councils would presumably be abolished or merged to reach that threshold?
  • kle4 said:

    A man consumed by grudges both large and petty.

    He should have a lot of people commit crimes on his behalf too - I know he's immune from most crimes anyway as President, but he might as well make use of the absurd pardon powers Presidents have as well.
    I reckon the intention from Trump 2.0 team is to scare pollsters out of the business.

    It is will so much easier to 'fix' 2028 election if there is no polling indicating he is losing.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    You learn you cannot polish a turd but that you can add glitter to it.

    Semantics are your friend.

    I remember spinning for a client and my argument was that ‘they are so good hearted that they couldn’t conceive that some people are bad people out there as they assumed everybody was as nice as them’ when they didn’t ask some questions about some blatant fraud going on under their watch.
    Of course you can polish a turd, did you never watch Mythbusters?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,614

    Of course HMG can afford it, many times over. We choose not to pay them and rightly so, because their case is very weak.
    I was making a grammar Nazi comment…

    “Not being compensated by the Pensions Secretary”.

    Great, who are they being compensated by?

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