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HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

Organisations, however moral their mission, inevitably prioritise themselves over that mission - evidence number 3,603,321

A British barrister's "horrific" and violent abuse of more than 100 children and young men was covered up within the Church of England for decades, according to the conclusion of a damning report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje0y3gqw1po

Though again Smyth was never charged nor convicted of any offence in his lifetime in the UK

kinabalu said:

MikeL said:

The Harris EC, Trump PV vote could easily have won.

Trump has won:
PA by 1.9%
MI by 1.5%
WI by 0.8%

If Harris had won all three, she wins the EC.

Trump currently leads popular vote by 3.3%.

Looks like that will fall by about 1% when all votes counted - ie lead will fall by about 1.5m. So final popular vote lead will be about 2.3%.

Then a uniform swing of 1% across the whole country (ie Harris +1, Trump -1) and Harris wins PA, MI and WI, and Trump still wins popular vote.

Would have been a "luv it" outcome.

Nigel_Foremain said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Andy_JS said:

"Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

These MAGA lot scare me.

These MAGA males are just wankers....

That may provide them with some relief

IanB2 said:

A road trip in the US is like waking up in Norfolk, driving along a dual carriageway at motorway speed the whole day, and by the afternoon finding that you’re still in Norfolk.

kinabalu said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Andy_JS said:

"Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

These MAGA lot scare me.

These MAGA males are just wankers....

They are. Almost all MAGAs are bad news. Their equivalents outside America too. This brings me to another (and imo underappreciated) downside of Nov 5th. Which is that just about every little racist, xenophobe, misogynist and bigot the whole world over will be happy about the re-election of Donald Trump.

There is (rightly) much talk about the obvious macro concerns, things like the threat of creeping fascism, the potential consequences of his policies, tariffs, blowing out the deficit, ditching Ukraine, etc, but there is also an impact at the micro behavioural level. Imagine hundreds of millions of these types of people all feeling good about themselves, feeling validated, empowered, and behaving accordingly. That will have (impossible to measure but in aggregate very serious) consequences.

Still, it's done now and there's little point banging on about it. Least not this aspect. It's true but it's inflammatory and gets us nowhere. Let's calm down like Joe says.

IanB2 said:

A road trip in the US is like waking up in Norfolk, driving along a dual carriageway at motorway speed the whole day, and by the afternoon finding that you’re still in Norfolk.

kinabalu said:

Chris said:

MikeL said:

The Harris EC, Trump PV vote could easily have won.

Trump has won:
PA by 1.9%
MI by 1.5%
WI by 0.8%

If Harris had won all three, she wins the EC.

Trump currently leads popular vote by 3.3%.

Looks like that will fall by about 1% when all votes counted - ie lead will fall by about 1.5m. So final popular vote lead will be about 2.3%.

Then a uniform swing of 1% across the whole country (ie Harris +1, Trump -1) and Harris wins PA, MI and WI, and Trump still wins popular vote.

The swing state polls were within the margin of error. The Selzer Iowa poll ... who knows what went so wrong?

The Selzer has a lot to answer for. It fattened up what was to be brutally killed.

Andy_JS said:

Percentage reporting

California 60%
Oregon 78%
Washington 71%
Alaska 72%
Arizona 70%
Colorado 82%
Utah 70%

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

Organisations, however moral their mission, inevitably prioritise themselves over that mission - evidence number 3,603,321

A British barrister's "horrific" and violent abuse of more than 100 children and young men was covered up within the Church of England for decades, according to the conclusion of a damning report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje0y3gqw1po

Though again Smyth was never charged nor convicted of any offence in his lifetime in the UK

Harold Shipman was only convicted of 15 murders before he died, doesn't mean a view could not be taken of the likely higher victim tally afterwards.

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Andy_JS said:

"Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

These MAGA lot scare me.

One of the ironic tensions in the MAGA coalition.

One chunk of it is religious conservatives and birthrate obsessives who want to stymie access to abortion.

Another chunk of it is young men who are desperate for sex.

If the first subset get what they want, the second subset ain't getting what they want.

I'd rather it was in an unimportant country rather than one that (like it or not) the rest of the world depends on, but this is going to be fascinating to watch.

I suppose there are always the unique delights of a ladyman. (No there aren't. Ed.)

Nigelb said:

IanB2 said:

A road trip in the US is like waking up in Norfolk, driving along a dual carriageway at motorway speed the whole day, and by the afternoon finding that you’re still in Norfolk.

Not if you drive from San Jose to Truckee.

pigeon said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

pigeon said:

kle4 said:

Organisations, however moral their mission, inevitably prioritise themselves over that mission - evidence number 3,603,321

A British barrister's "horrific" and violent abuse of more than 100 children and young men was covered up within the Church of England for decades, according to the conclusion of a damning report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje0y3gqw1po

The only surprise here is that anyone would be surprised that a church would facilitate such crimes. That's organised religion for you.

The point Kle4 was making that seems to have gone over your head is that that's organised organisations for you. Religion being one of many.

It's a fair point, though on the other hand religious bodies do seem particularly prone to this affliction. There aren't many tales of which I am aware of, for example, dodgy laundries and paedophile rings emerging from the National Trust.

TOPPING said:

noneoftheabove said:

rkrkrk said:

kinabalu said:

MikeL said:

The Harris EC, Trump PV vote could easily have won.

Trump has won:
PA by 1.9%
MI by 1.5%
WI by 0.8%

If Harris had won all three, she wins the EC.

Trump currently leads popular vote by 3.3%.

Looks like that will fall by about 1% when all votes counted - ie lead will fall by about 1.5m. So final popular vote lead will be about 2.3%.

Then a uniform swing of 1% across the whole country (ie Harris +1, Trump -1) and Harris wins PA, MI and WI, and Trump still wins popular vote.

Would have been a "luv it" outcome.

Hardly. Trump winning the popular vote is not reassuring at all. The Democrats I'm realising are not that good at politics.

Which incumbants anywhere have done better than losing just 3% since global inflation spiralled? Tories lost 20% for example.

Is this one of those the Democrats actually won posts.

pigeon said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

pigeon said:

kle4 said:

Organisations, however moral their mission, inevitably prioritise themselves over that mission - evidence number 3,603,321

A British barrister's "horrific" and violent abuse of more than 100 children and young men was covered up within the Church of England for decades, according to the conclusion of a damning report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje0y3gqw1po

The only surprise here is that anyone would be surprised that a church would facilitate such crimes. That's organised religion for you.

The point Kle4 was making that seems to have gone over your head is that that's organised organisations for you. Religion being one of many.

It's a fair point, though on the other hand religious bodies do seem particularly prone to this affliction. There aren't many tales of which I am aware of, for example, dodgy laundries and paedophile rings emerging from the National Trust.

kinabalu said:

Chris said:

MikeL said:

The Harris EC, Trump PV vote could easily have won.

Trump has won:
PA by 1.9%
MI by 1.5%
WI by 0.8%

If Harris had won all three, she wins the EC.

Trump currently leads popular vote by 3.3%.

Looks like that will fall by about 1% when all votes counted - ie lead will fall by about 1.5m. So final popular vote lead will be about 2.3%.

Then a uniform swing of 1% across the whole country (ie Harris +1, Trump -1) and Harris wins PA, MI and WI, and Trump still wins popular vote.

The swing state polls were within the margin of error. The Selzer Iowa poll ... who knows what went so wrong?

The Selzer has a lot to answer for. It fattened up what was to be brutally killed.

TOPPING said:

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Andy_JS said:

"Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

These MAGA lot scare me.

One of the ironic tensions in the MAGA coalition.

One chunk of it is religious conservatives and birthrate obsessives who want to stymie access to abortion.

Another chunk of it is young men who are desperate for sex.

If the first subset get what they want, the second subset ain't getting what they want.

I'd rather it was in an unimportant country rather than one that (like it or not) the rest of the world depends on, but this is going to be fascinating to watch.

I suppose there are always the unique delights of a ladyman. (No there aren't. Ed.)

Stupid comment.

Every young man, regardless of political affiliation, such that young men have political affiliations, is desperate for sex.

Your point is pointless.

pigeon said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

pigeon said:

kle4 said:

Organisations, however moral their mission, inevitably prioritise themselves over that mission - evidence number 3,603,321

A British barrister's "horrific" and violent abuse of more than 100 children and young men was covered up within the Church of England for decades, according to the conclusion of a damning report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje0y3gqw1po

The only surprise here is that anyone would be surprised that a church would facilitate such crimes. That's organised religion for you.

The point Kle4 was making that seems to have gone over your head is that that's organised organisations for you. Religion being one of many.

It's a fair point, though on the other hand religious bodies do seem particularly prone to this affliction. There aren't many tales of which I am aware of, for example, dodgy laundries and paedophile rings emerging from the National Trust.

felix said:

rkrkrk said:

kinabalu said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Andy_JS said:

"Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

These MAGA lot scare me.

These MAGA males are just wankers....

They are. Almost all MAGAs are bad news. Their equivalents outside America too. This brings me to another (and imo underappreciated) downside of Nov 5th. Which is that just about every little racist, xenophobe, misogynist and bigot the whole world over will be happy about the re-election of Donald Trump.

There is (rightly) much talk about the obvious macro concerns, things like the threat of creeping fascism, the potential consequences of his policies, tariffs, blowing out the deficit, ditching Ukraine, etc, but there is also an impact at the micro behavioural level. Imagine hundreds of millions of these types of people all feeling good about themselves, feeling validated, empowered, and behaving accordingly. That will have (impossible to measure but in aggregate very serious) consequences.

Still, it's done now and there's little point banging on about it. Least not this aspect. It's true but it's inflammatory and gets us nowhere. Let's calm down like Joe says.

Hundreds of millions? Trump only got ~75m votes!
I promise you not all MAGAs are bad news. I know a couple who are very nice people. The basic sentiment of your country being great is fine imo.

The mindsets of some of the left wing posters on here are quite extraordinary.

Cookie said:

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Andy_JS said:

"Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

These MAGA lot scare me.

One of the ironic tensions in the MAGA coalition.

One chunk of it is religious conservatives and birthrate obsessives who want to stymie access to abortion.

Another chunk of it is young men who are desperate for sex.

If the first subset get what they want, the second subset ain't getting what they want.

I'd rather it was in an unimportant country rather than one that (like it or not) the rest of the world depends on, but this is going to be fascinating to watch.

I suppose there are always the unique delights of a ladyman. (No there aren't. Ed.)

Haven't we established that this is a parody account?

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Andy_JS said:

"Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

These MAGA lot scare me.

These MAGA males are just wankers....

Stuartinromford said:

Cookie said:

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Andy_JS said:

"Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

These MAGA lot scare me.

One of the ironic tensions in the MAGA coalition.

One chunk of it is religious conservatives and birthrate obsessives who want to stymie access to abortion.

Another chunk of it is young men who are desperate for sex.

If the first subset get what they want, the second subset ain't getting what they want.

I'd rather it was in an unimportant country rather than one that (like it or not) the rest of the world depends on, but this is going to be fascinating to watch.

I suppose there are always the unique delights of a ladyman. (No there aren't. Ed.)

Haven't we established that this is a parody account?

Even if that account is a parody, the tension in the Trump coalition is real.

Christian conservatives and horny young men don't make comfortable bedfellows erm... allies.

TimS said:

Just realised I’m accidentally on an England and Wales city tour. 5 days, 5 cities: Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham (tonight), Cardiff and Swansea. Plus London if you count my home city.

Off to an Eritrean restaurant for dinner.

So far Manchester wins by a mile but we’ll see what the Jewellery quarter has to offer this evening.

pigeon said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

pigeon said:

kle4 said:

Organisations, however moral their mission, inevitably prioritise themselves over that mission - evidence number 3,603,321

A British barrister's "horrific" and violent abuse of more than 100 children and young men was covered up within the Church of England for decades, according to the conclusion of a damning report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje0y3gqw1po

The only surprise here is that anyone would be surprised that a church would facilitate such crimes. That's organised religion for you.

The point Kle4 was making that seems to have gone over your head is that that's organised organisations for you. Religion being one of many.

It's a fair point, though on the other hand religious bodies do seem particularly prone to this affliction. There aren't many tales of which I am aware of, for example, dodgy laundries and paedophile rings emerging from the National Trust.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bugger, from Popbitch.


Razzle-Dazzle. Echoing in eternity

There's been no film more anticipated this year than Gladiator II. The original won Best Picture at the Oscars and huge acclaim for Russell Crowe.


This week a preview at London's BAFTA certainly made an impression on viewers. And if early feelers are right, expect a host of award nominations... at the Razzies.



It's rare for anyone to utter a bad word about anything at the British Academy of Film and Television Arts as there's every chance someone involved in what you are critiquing will pop up next to you at the screening. And yet at this screening, someone was heard openly commenting, "that was so bad" as the titles rolled.



Why? The script was described as awful; the dialogue "laughable".



And the usually reliable Paul Mescal, "makes Gerard Butler look like Daniel Day Lewis".

PS - Gladiator II director Ridley Scott is 87 now, five years older than Joe Biden.

another_richard said:

Andy_JS said:

Percentage reporting

California 60%
Oregon 78%
Washington 71%
Alaska 72%
Arizona 70%
Colorado 82%
Utah 70%

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false

Any state not completing its count within two days should have its electoral college vote reduced proportionally.

RochdalePioneers said:

Watching Biden's speech its clear there was a fascinating alt-history option: No debate or Biden is having a great day if there is a debate. No pressure to step down. He's on the ticket.

And then through careful management he keeps it together in public. Could Trump beat him in the rematch?

Sean_F said:

kinabalu said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Andy_JS said:

"Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

These MAGA lot scare me.

These MAGA males are just wankers....

They are. Almost all MAGAs are bad news. Their equivalents outside America too. This brings me to another (and imo underappreciated) downside of Nov 5th. Which is that just about every little racist, xenophobe, misogynist and bigot the whole world over will be happy about the re-election of Donald Trump.

There is (rightly) much talk about the obvious macro concerns, things like the threat of creeping fascism, the potential consequences of his policies, tariffs, blowing out the deficit, ditching Ukraine, etc, but there is also an impact at the micro behavioural level. Imagine hundreds of millions of these types of people all feeling good about themselves, feeling validated, empowered, and behaving accordingly. That will have (impossible to measure but in aggregate very serious) consequences.

Still, it's done now and there's little point banging on about it. Least not this aspect. It's true but it's inflammatory and gets us nowhere. Let's calm down like Joe says.

You should send that to The Guardian.

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

Organisations, however moral their mission, inevitably prioritise themselves over that mission - evidence number 3,603,321

A British barrister's "horrific" and violent abuse of more than 100 children and young men was covered up within the Church of England for decades, according to the conclusion of a damning report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje0y3gqw1po

Though again Smyth was never charged nor convicted of any offence in his lifetime in the UK

Harold Shipman was only convicted of 15 murders before he died, doesn't mean a view could not be taken of the likely higher victim tally afterwards.

nico679 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Watching Biden's speech its clear there was a fascinating alt-history option: No debate or Biden is having a great day if there is a debate. No pressure to step down. He's on the ticket.

And then through careful management he keeps it together in public. Could Trump beat him in the rematch?

Biden would have been a disaster because he’s favourability was in the toilet . Notwithstanding you never know when he’s going to have a good day .

Sometimes there can be an over analysis of what went wrong . This was still a close election , it wasn’t a blow out .

IanB2 said:

kinabalu said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Andy_JS said:

"Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

These MAGA lot scare me.

These MAGA males are just wankers....

They are. Almost all MAGAs are bad news. Their equivalents outside America too. This brings me to another (and imo underappreciated) downside of Nov 5th. Which is that just about every little racist, xenophobe, misogynist and bigot the whole world over will be happy about the re-election of Donald Trump.

As we can all see, on here.

viewcode said:

MikeL said:

"Trump campaign quietly distances itself from RFK

Donald Trump’s team appeared to be quietly distancing itself from Robert F Kennedy Jr in the immediate aftermath of the election amid speculation that the former presidential candidate could be handed control of US public health agencies.

Advisers to the president-elect questioned whether Mr Kennedy, a vaccine sceptic who has also been the subject of a series of bizarre stories involving animals, would make it through a security check for a cabinet position."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/11/07/donald-trump-kamala-harris-us-election-live-updates/

A reminder, if needed, that what Trump actually does may bear no relation to what he has said.

It's all transactional with Trump. RFK delivered his votes and is now unnecessary. It's going to be like that bit in Goodfellas after the Lufthansa heist, when deNiro goes around whacking all his colleagues so he don't have to share.

Casino_Royale said:

Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

MikeL said:

"Trump campaign quietly distances itself from RFK

Donald Trump’s team appeared to be quietly distancing itself from Robert F Kennedy Jr in the immediate aftermath of the election amid speculation that the former presidential candidate could be handed control of US public health agencies.

Advisers to the president-elect questioned whether Mr Kennedy, a vaccine sceptic who has also been the subject of a series of bizarre stories involving animals, would make it through a security check for a cabinet position."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/11/07/donald-trump-kamala-harris-us-election-live-updates/

A reminder, if needed, that what Trump actually does may bear no relation to what he has said.

RochdalePioneers said:

Watching Biden's speech its clear there was a fascinating alt-history option: No debate or Biden is having a great day if there is a debate. No pressure to step down. He's on the ticket.

And then through careful management he keeps it together in public. Could Trump beat him in the rematch?

HYUFD said:

Casino_Royale said:

Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

Popbitch says the premiere BAFTA screening wasn't great, most sequels are worse than the original except for the Godfather II

viewcode said:

MikeL said:

"Trump campaign quietly distances itself from RFK

Donald Trump’s team appeared to be quietly distancing itself from Robert F Kennedy Jr in the immediate aftermath of the election amid speculation that the former presidential candidate could be handed control of US public health agencies.

Advisers to the president-elect questioned whether Mr Kennedy, a vaccine sceptic who has also been the subject of a series of bizarre stories involving animals, would make it through a security check for a cabinet position."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/11/07/donald-trump-kamala-harris-us-election-live-updates/

A reminder, if needed, that what Trump actually does may bear no relation to what he has said.

It's all transactional with Trump. RFK delivered his votes and is now unnecessary. It's going to be like that bit in Goodfellas after the Lufthansa heist, when deNiro goes around whacking all his colleagues so he don't have to share.

Casino_Royale said:

MarqueeMark said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

President Joe Biden is expected to address the nation from the White House for the first time since Donald Trump's election win at 11:00 EST (16:00 GMT)

Go on Joe - pardon all the illegals!

He'll probably say that he's disappointed President Putin has been re-elected to office, but we're a democracy and must accept

HYUFD said:

Casino_Royale said:

.

Andy_JS said:

Percentage reporting

California 60%
Oregon 78%
Washington 71%
Alaska 72%
Arizona 70%
Colorado 82%
Utah 70%

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false

Is it still mathematically possible for Kamala to draw level or overtake (just) Trump in the PV?

Betfair says 350/1 shot atm but I'm not sure it's that low.

No, she is the John Kerry to Hillary's Al Gore.

Not very charismatic like Gore and Hillary but more left liberal like Kerry whereas Gore and Hillary were at least centrist enough to win the popular vote even if not the EC

That wasn't my question.

Casino_Royale said:

Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

Organisations, however moral their mission, inevitably prioritise themselves over that mission - evidence number 3,603,321

A British barrister's "horrific" and violent abuse of more than 100 children and young men was covered up within the Church of England for decades, according to the conclusion of a damning report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje0y3gqw1po

Though again Smyth was never charged nor convicted of any offence in his lifetime in the UK

JosiasJessop said:

HYUFD said:

Casino_Royale said:

Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

Popbitch says the premiere BAFTA screening wasn't great, most sequels are worse than the original except for the Godfather II

And Highlander. Highlander 2 was so much better than the original...

Pagan2 said:

fpt

theProle said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

IanB2 said:

MaxPB said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

The amount of young men being thrilled has really caught me by surprise. Trump clearly appeals to these people on the economy and other issues. It seems like going on Rogan etc was a touch of genius - assuming that is what has helped him reach these people.

I also wonder how if some of that is a rejection of Harris basically saying “vote for me, I am a woman” and almost taking those voters for granted.

I'm not surprised. It's a push back from young American men, especially white and Latino ones, who get told everything is their fault by women on TV and social media. There's been a drip, drip of poison that has made men on America feel emasculated and powerless in what they now feel is a system rigged against their success. Why would they vote for a woman who they feel was not only part of this emasculation process but also will speed it up?

That late TV ad with women winking at each other as they voted the opposite way from their husbands probably didn't do them any favours with male voters, either.

Women: Know Your Place.

The idea anyone should expect a woman to vote as she's told by her husband, or the same way, is sickening.

Nobody would expect a man to vote as his wife tells him to.

I don't know how my wife votes, although I "insist" that she does (she was a non-voter before marriage, I can now get her to reluctantly come to the polling station with me). For all I know she just writes "none of the above" across the ballot paper.

However, it's fair to say that putting out ads that basically say "we think your husband is a lying controlling scumbag if he votes for Trump, so vote for us" may not have quite the desired effect.

See that makes you a controlling male arsehole....you insist she votes how fucking dare you?

pigeon said:

Alanbrooke said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Alanbrooke said:

Rachel Reeves on TV

She's totally shit

Don't hold back, say it as you mean it...

She probably thinks the same about you..

Im surprised you think Im, holding back. Ive been saying Reeves is useless since July to gasps of horror for the the PB Lefties. Wait for the budget I was told it will put it all right, Well we've had the budget and it was a lead balloon.

Nothing for growth
Laughable efforts on housing
Job destroying taxes on business
And a big dollop of inflation to come.

Really she needs put out to grass.

The central problem with the Budget was the national insurance hike. It's been presented as an effort to get businesses to contribute more rather than workers, but in practice all it will do is weaken smaller employers, whilst larger ones will seek to recoup their losses in the medium term through wage suppression. Yet more years of stagnating incomes from yet another jam tomorrow administration beckon. This is unlikely to end well for the Government, as both the Tories and the US Democrats could tell them.

At least this lot actually understand that small state fantasies aren't sustainable when your population is as old, knackered, fat, sick and altogether dependent as ours is. But their attempts to refinance the crumbling state are half-arsed and still, ultimately, rely on the rinsing of earned incomes - it's just that they've disguised the fact by taking the money off employers and inviting them to recover their losses from their employees. Meanwhile, in other respects Continuity Toryism reigns: the Triple Lock is maintained as a permanent fixture, whilst the two child cap remains in place and the Government seeks to cut several billion pounds off the bill for sickness and disability benefits.

The Government has taken baby steps in the right direction - with some increases in CGT rates and the widening of death duties - but these are tentative and wholly inadequate to the scale of the difficulties that it faces. Assets are still taxed at a fraction of the rate of wages; most estates will still be transmitted entirely tax free. At the fundamental level, when you strip away the baubles, this is simply yet another administration the primary function of which is to facilitate the ongoing transfer of wealth from the poor and the young to the rich and the old. It's an improvement on the dreadful mess that came before, but fast forward five years and the odds are that the average working person will be no better off than they are now, and still with no relief from the stagnation in sight.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bugger, from Popbitch.


Razzle-Dazzle. Echoing in eternity

There's been no film more anticipated this year than Gladiator II. The original won Best Picture at the Oscars and huge acclaim for Russell Crowe.


This week a preview at London's BAFTA certainly made an impression on viewers. And if early feelers are right, expect a host of award nominations... at the Razzies.



It's rare for anyone to utter a bad word about anything at the British Academy of Film and Television Arts as there's every chance someone involved in what you are critiquing will pop up next to you at the screening. And yet at this screening, someone was heard openly commenting, "that was so bad" as the titles rolled.



Why? The script was described as awful; the dialogue "laughable".



And the usually reliable Paul Mescal, "makes Gerard Butler look like Daniel Day Lewis".

PS - Gladiator II director Ridley Scott is 87 now, five years older than Joe Biden.

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Daveyboy1961 said:

Alanbrooke said:

Rachel Reeves on TV

She's totally shit

Don't hold back, say it as you mean it...

She probably thinks the same about you..

Im surprised you think Im, holding back. Ive been saying Reeves is useless since July to gasps of horror for the the PB Lefties. Wait for the budget I was told it will put it all right, Well we've had the budget and it was a lead balloon.

Nothing for growth
Laughable efforts on housing
Job destroying taxes on business
And a big dollop of inflation to come.

Really she needs put out to grass.

I am sure there is an alternative budget somewhere which balances the books, keeps the election promises, promotes growth, cuts borrowing, taxes painlessly, gets more for less money, builds a million houses a year, sorts the NHS, employs 3 million people who don't feel like working just now, funds our armed forces for when America leaves NATO and stops the boats.

But no-one has produced a shadow of a scintilla of what this alternative Reeves budget would actually, in totality, say and do.

Indeed, there's the thing - the Conservatives, Reform, Greens and Liberal Democrats may have their own "budgets" but I've not seen any of them in detail and I suspect none of them gets close to the above.

I thought the Reeves Budget was unnecessarily timid - I'd have gone after Gambling Duty for example. The problem was of course Labour themselves closing down the more obvious routes to raising taxes - basic rate up ro 25%, higher rate to 50% but unfreezing and raising thresholds above inflation would have been my approach.

Instead, we have all these little things round the edges which annoy a lot of people but probably not raising the needed funds to reduce the deficit.