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  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,765

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
    Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

    These MAGA lot scare me.


    One of the ironic tensions in the MAGA coalition.

    One chunk of it is religious conservatives and birthrate obsessives who want to stymie access to abortion.

    Another chunk of it is young men who are desperate for sex.

    If the first subset get what they want, the second subset ain't getting what they want.

    I'd rather it was in an unimportant country rather than one that (like it or not) the rest of the world depends on, but this is going to be fascinating to watch.

    I suppose there are always the unique delights of a ladyman. (No there aren't. Ed.)
    Haven't we established that this is a parody account?
    Even if that account is a parody, the tension in the Trump coalition is real.

    Christian conservatives and horny young men don't make comfortable bedfellows erm... allies.
    Fair.
    All coalitiona include some unlikely allies, mind. Sew 'queers for Palestine'.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    That is true, but it is a bar so low that even a limbo dancing mouse would be unable to get under it.
  • I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870
    theProle said:

    Pagan2 said:

    fpt

    theProle said:

    IanB2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The amount of young men being thrilled has really caught me by surprise. Trump clearly appeals to these people on the economy and other issues. It seems like going on Rogan etc was a touch of genius - assuming that is what has helped him reach these people.

    I also wonder how if some of that is a rejection of Harris basically saying “vote for me, I am a woman” and almost taking those voters for granted.

    I'm not surprised. It's a push back from young American men, especially white and Latino ones, who get told everything is their fault by women on TV and social media. There's been a drip, drip of poison that has made men on America feel emasculated and powerless in what they now feel is a system rigged against their success. Why would they vote for a woman who they feel was not only part of this emasculation process but also will speed it up?
    That late TV ad with women winking at each other as they voted the opposite way from their husbands probably didn't do them any favours with male voters, either.
    Women: Know Your Place.

    The idea anyone should expect a woman to vote as she's told by her husband, or the same way, is sickening.

    Nobody would expect a man to vote as his wife tells him to.
    I don't know how my wife votes, although I "insist" that she does (she was a non-voter before marriage, I can now get her to reluctantly come to the polling station with me). For all I know she just writes "none of the above" across the ballot paper.

    However, it's fair to say that putting out ads that basically say "we think your husband is a lying controlling scumbag if he votes for Trump, so vote for us" may not have quite the desired effect.
    See that makes you a controlling male arsehole....you insist she votes how fucking dare you?
    I thought that the quote marks indicated fairly clearly my tongue was somewhat in my cheek. If she really didn't want to vote she wouldn't - but I can just about get her to come down the polling booth if she goes when I go!
    Given we have just had an election in which men expressed the view that women not voting in the way they were told it may have merely been a joke on your part but I would suggest appalling taste and certainly it didn't despite the quote marks come across as a jokey thing at least to me
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is not better than Die Hard.

    That's not a matter of opinion. That is simple fact.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,336
    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,339

    Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

    Does sound that way. Might as well simply rewatch Gladiator again.
  • Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    Yup.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    rcs1000 said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is not better than Die Hard.

    That's not a matter of opinion. That is simple fact.
    Is Die Hard 2 a Christmas film?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    rcs1000 said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is not better than Die Hard.

    That's not a matter of opinion. That is simple fact.
    Well, at least it's too early to discuss if it's a Christmas movie.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,806
    Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    And Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    edited November 7
    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is not better than Die Hard.

    That's not a matter of opinion. That is simple fact.
    Well, at least it's too early to discuss if it's a Christmas movie.
    Sorry :lol:
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,357
    kamski said:

    MikeL said:

    "Trump campaign quietly distances itself from RFK

    Donald Trump’s team appeared to be quietly distancing itself from Robert F Kennedy Jr in the immediate aftermath of the election amid speculation that the former presidential candidate could be handed control of US public health agencies.

    Advisers to the president-elect questioned whether Mr Kennedy, a vaccine sceptic who has also been the subject of a series of bizarre stories involving animals, would make it through a security check for a cabinet position."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/11/07/donald-trump-kamala-harris-us-election-live-updates/

    A reminder, if needed, that what Trump actually does may bear no relation to what he has said.

    Did anyone think Trump would really put RFK Jr in charge of anything important?

    Watching Biden's speech its clear there was a fascinating alt-history option: No debate or Biden is having a great day if there is a debate. No pressure to step down. He's on the ticket.

    And then through careful management he keeps it together in public. Could Trump beat him in the rematch?

    Biden to run in 2028?
    Hunter ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,336

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Empire Strikes Back was totally f**king awesome.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,357

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    A gallant loser is………..a loser
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    Wasn't that a few days ago? Or is this another one, also using the same strange term "group of individuals"?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,772

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is just okay, 1 and 3 are the best.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    Again?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,772
    Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    Maybe he should tell the Mayor, apparently this is just a fact of life for Londoners and we just need to get used to it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,936

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win
    Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/07/liberal-women-4b-sex-strike-over-trump-election-win/

    These MAGA lot scare me.


    One of the ironic tensions in the MAGA coalition.

    One chunk of it is religious conservatives and birthrate obsessives who want to stymie access to abortion.

    Another chunk of it is young men who are desperate for sex.

    If the first subset get what they want, the second subset ain't getting what they want.

    I'd rather it was in an unimportant country rather than one that (like it or not) the rest of the world depends on, but this is going to be fascinating to watch.

    I suppose there are always the unique delights of a ladyman. (No there aren't. Ed.)
    Stupid comment.

    Every young man, regardless of political affiliation, such that young men have political affiliations, is desperate for sex.

    Your point is pointless.
    Missing the point, I'm afraid.

    If young men want young women to have lots of sex, young women will want to have reliable access to contraception and, as a last resort, abortion. Because otherwise, the consequences of saying "yes" are just too heavy to contemplate.

    So those young men who have hitched their wagons to the Trump train run the risk of feeling proper charlies. But that's all they will be doing, even if they're lucky.
    And you know this about all the young men who voted for Trump, do you.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,765
    Taz said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    A gallant loser is………..a loser
    In a democracy, a gallant loser is a hero.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Taz said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    A gallant loser is………..a loser
    I can certainly see Trump echoing Vince Lombardi...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,806
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    A gallant loser is………..a loser
    In a democracy, a gallant loser is a hero.
    "There's a thin line between being a hero, and being a memory." - Optimus Prime.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is not better than Die Hard.

    That's not a matter of opinion. That is simple fact.
    Well, at least it's too early to discuss if it's a Christmas movie.
    Sorry :lol:
    You should be.

    Your sentence is to watch Die Hard 5 on a loop three times.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,484

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    I saw this and thought of you.


  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,772
    Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    Godfather 2 is better than the first.
  • MaxPB said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is just okay, 1 and 3 are the best.
    Bruce Willis wearing that message board in 3 still makes me laugh my head off.

    I am a very bad person for being amused by that message.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,794

    HYUFD said:

    Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

    Popbitch says the premiere BAFTA screening wasn't great, most sequels are worse than the original except for the Godfather II
    And Highlander. Highlander 2 was so much better than the original...
    Highlander II was 91 minutes whilst Highlander was 116. I can see the argument that makes it roughly 27% better.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,336
    Not exactly a sequel, but I adored Dune Part 2 ( I loved Part 1 also).

    I’m intrigued to see how Villeneuve will handle Dune Messiah, especially after turning Chani into the antagonist (but an antagonist who may actually be a true heroine).
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,261

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    Not sure about Harris. In her speech last night she said a LOT of questionable things with aggressive rhetoric, such as saying the word "fight" about 20 times lol!

    Biden's speech tonight was truly Presidential and got the tone just right. One of the few times in the past four years I've actually been impressed with him
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,806

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    Again?
    Nah, Tweet is from Nov 5th.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,660
    edited November 7

    HYUFD said:

    Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

    Popbitch says the premiere BAFTA screening wasn't great, most sequels are worse than the original except for the Godfather II
    And Highlander. Highlander 2 was so much better than the original...
    THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,015

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    That's about as low a bar as is possible.
    They're better than that.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,189

    Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    And Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back.
    Just as the first series of Blackadder was shit but 2, 3 and 4 were great - so the first Trump presidency was terrible but the second, third and fourth will be awesome
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,336

    MaxPB said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is just okay, 1 and 3 are the best.
    Bruce Willis wearing that message board in 3 still makes me laugh my head off.

    I am a very bad person for being amused by that message.
    It is very funny, especially when the black woman gives him a very funny look.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,936

    MaxPB said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is just okay, 1 and 3 are the best.
    Bruce Willis wearing that message board in 3 still makes me laugh my head off.

    I am a very bad person for being amused by that message.
    I thought 4.0 was brilliant.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,261
    Sean_F said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Empire Strikes Back was totally f**king awesome.
    The Empire Strikes Back = Boss ❤
  • Just been out to vote. And taken my son for the first time. Votes at 16 - goooood
  • This is what my 'friends' got me last year for Christmas, like nine of them, separately, the same advent calendar.


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,015

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Is it a Christmas movie, though ?
  • TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is just okay, 1 and 3 are the best.
    Bruce Willis wearing that message board in 3 still makes me laugh my head off.

    I am a very bad person for being amused by that message.
    I thought 4.0 was brilliant.
    Delete your account.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,035
    Nigelb said:

    MikeL said:

    "Trump campaign quietly distances itself from RFK

    Donald Trump’s team appeared to be quietly distancing itself from Robert F Kennedy Jr in the immediate aftermath of the election amid speculation that the former presidential candidate could be handed control of US public health agencies.

    Advisers to the president-elect questioned whether Mr Kennedy, a vaccine sceptic who has also been the subject of a series of bizarre stories involving animals, would make it through a security check for a cabinet position."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/11/07/donald-trump-kamala-harris-us-election-live-updates/

    A reminder, if needed, that what Trump actually does may bear no relation to what he has said.

    Which is the question I've been posing since his election.
    What will he do in government ? Not yet clear.
    Maximum hilarity would be if he rediscovered his Clinton Democrat soul now he’s won everything he can win.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    Again?
    Nah, Tweet is from Nov 5th.
    That's what I mean, it was extensively discussed on here, and why they would be without a phone for the foreseeable future.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,806
    edited November 7

    This is what my 'friends' got me last year for Christmas, like nine of them, separately, the same advent calendar.


    "Oh, yes. What was it you said to me before? 'Yippee-ki-yay, motherf*cker.'"
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is just okay, 1 and 3 are the best.
    Bruce Willis wearing that message board in 3 still makes me laugh my head off.

    I am a very bad person for being amused by that message.
    It is very funny, especially when the black woman gives him a very funny look.
    I was not familiar with that.

    So I asked Copilot, which started answering before blanking the response and saying "I'm sorry, but it seems I can't help out with that one".

    Which would have been fine, except (a) I watched the answer appear before vanishing, and (b) it left the bloody Reddit link at the bottom!
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,280
    HYUFD said:

    President Joe Biden is expected to address the nation from the White House for the first time since Donald Trump's election win at 11:00 EST (16:00 GMT)

    Go on Joe - pardon all the illegals!
    He'll probably say that he's disappointed President Putin has been re-elected to office, but we're a democracy and must accept
    HYUFD said:

    .

    Andy_JS said:
    Is it still mathematically possible for Kamala to draw level or overtake (just) Trump in the PV?

    Betfair says 350/1 shot atm but I'm not sure it's that low.
    No, she is the John Kerry to Hillary's Al Gore.

    Not very charismatic like Gore and Hillary but more left liberal like Kerry whereas Gore and Hillary were at least centrist enough to win the popular vote even if not the EC
    That wasn't my question.
    It was the effective answer, both Gore and Hillary were well ahead in the popular vote this long after all polls had closed
    At current levels of vote share, Kamala gains a little over a million on Trump in California, and once you pick up the stragglers from other states, she is probably going to catch up by about a million.

    She is currently over 4 million behind though.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321
    edited November 7
    MaxPB said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    While this is true, it shows how badly US democracy has fallen we now appreciate a peaceful end to an election. Trump has seriously damaged the reputation of the US.
    That's my view too, Max.

    I would be a little more relaxed about it though if I thought a stronger Europe would result, but I'm afraid I'm rather pessimistic about that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,543

    HYUFD said:

    Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

    Popbitch says the premiere BAFTA screening wasn't great, most sequels are worse than the original except for the Godfather II
    And Highlander. Highlander 2 was so much better than the original...
    That has to be a joke, surely!!!???

    Highlander is the pinnacle example of a fantastic movie being followed up by a steaming pile of dog shite sequel.
    No joke. Mulcahy and Lambert take the shoddy premise of the original and add everything that was missing - an important origin story; a plot based on environmentalism, and ALIENS!!!

    And they got rid of all of that rubbish Queen music and replaced it with tunes from the super genius of Stewart Copeland.

    It is rightly on every list ever made for the top 100 best and most influential films, which is why they've made about five different versions of the film over the years. Fans just cannot get enough of it.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,363
    Taz said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    A gallant loser is………..a loser
    A pointless post is..........pointless.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    Nigelb said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Is it a Christmas movie, though ?
    Oh FFS.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,705
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John Cannan has died, the main suspect in the Suzy Lamplugh case.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/06/suzy-lamplugh-suspect-dies-in-prison-at-70

    Died in prison anyway
    fishy?

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,261
    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,806
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Is it a Christmas movie, though ?
    Oh FFS.
    Of course it is a Christmas movie!
  • MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    Godfather 2 is better than the first.
    But 3 was terrible.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,394
    Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    The Sentry Guns.

    One of the best moments in cinematic history.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,864
    Pagan2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    And if he wasn't an mp the response when he rang up would have been "we can give you a crime number"
    What the Met say constantly is using your phone in public is asking for it to be stolen. There are signs up everywhere and announcements on the tubes and trains urging people not to leave their phone "on display" but we are of course so dependent on the devices out they come as soon as we're outside the stations and the muggers, usually on bicycles or e-scooters, take their chance.

    Of course, it shouldn't be like that but it is and we all know that.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,632

    While I'm here, about Badenoch. I thought she'd be a formidable opponent, and although it's very early days, I'm not so sure. Here's why (and I know Crace made a similar point in the Guardian).

    1. One of Badenoch's major selling points is to be passionately pro-free speech and against cancel culture. She has been particularly disparaging about the habit of dredging up historic tweets or other sources and blowing them up out of all proportion as 'gotchas' to seek to character assassinate. (I've some sympathy with her view).

    2. At her first PMQs, Badenoch dredged up an old tweet (Lammy, 2017, in opposition) as a 'gotcha' to seek to drive an unhelpful wedge between the government and the new US President. Worse, she demanded an 'apology' by Lammy for exercising his free speech.

    3. Not a promising start to do precisely what she's been so critical of others doing. I don't think she thought it through.

    It was misjudged and poorly delivered. But of no consequence, she’ll get another go.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,261

    While I'm here, about Badenoch. I thought she'd be a formidable opponent, and although it's very early days, I'm not so sure. Here's why (and I know Crace made a similar point in the Guardian).

    1. One of Badenoch's major selling points is to be passionately pro-free speech and against cancel culture. She has been particularly disparaging about the habit of dredging up historic tweets or other sources and blowing them up out of all proportion as 'gotchas' to seek to character assassinate. (I've some sympathy with her view).

    2. At her first PMQs, Badenoch dredged up an old tweet (Lammy, 2017, in opposition) as a 'gotcha' to seek to drive an unhelpful wedge between the government and the new US President. Worse, she demanded an 'apology' by Lammy for exercising his free speech.

    3. Not a promising start to do precisely what she's been so critical of others doing. I don't think she thought it through.

    It was her first PMQ's and she did fine.

    At Mrs Thatchers first PMQs she went on the topic of... the civil list? Imagine if we had PB and social media in 1975, lol!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,015
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Is it a Christmas movie, though ?
    Oh FFS.
    Film For Santa ?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,396
    Tim Montgomerie talking appeasement of Putin as a potential benefit of a Trump Presidency on QT.
    More than willing to sell Ukrainian territory down the river.
  • MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    Godfather 2 is better than the first.
    But 3 was terrible.
    Edit: Btw, do we have any experts here on the Fast & Furious franchise? I believe the first film was dreadful, and the sequels got progressively worse. Is this correct?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,806
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Is it a Christmas movie, though ?
    Oh FFS.
    Film For Santa ?
    "Now I have a machine gun... HO! HO! HO!"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Is it a Christmas movie, though ?
    Oh FFS.
    Film For Santa ?
    If we're going to start arguing about Die Hard's Christmas or otherwise statutes I could certainly use a machine gun.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

    Yes.

    But it is fortunate that it is out this year, as nothign would be worse than Megalopolis.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,806

    Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    The Sentry Guns.

    One of the best moments in cinematic history.
    "Aye-firmative!"
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019
    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    It's been a good year for re-screenings. I saw the Trainspotting re-release over the summer and looked really good (the 28 Days Later screening was, however, a soggy SD mess!). Hopefully they'll keep them up next year.
  • stodge said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    Not sure about Harris. In her speech last night she said a LOT of questionable things with aggressive rhetoric, such as saying the word "fight" about 20 times lol!

    Biden's speech tonight was truly Presidential and got the tone just right. One of the few times in the past four years I've actually been impressed with him
    Certainly agree about Biden - an excellent speech. Indeed, there are many examples of politicians reacting with real dignity to their defeat - John Major and Rishi Sunak to name but two.

    They set an example which unfortunately all too many of their supporters choose not to follow.
    Sunak's departure speech was so good that the Conservative Press felt obliged to ignore it completely.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870
    stodge said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    And if he wasn't an mp the response when he rang up would have been "we can give you a crime number"
    What the Met say constantly is using your phone in public is asking for it to be stolen. There are signs up everywhere and announcements on the tubes and trains urging people not to leave their phone "on display" but we are of course so dependent on the devices out they come as soon as we're outside the stations and the muggers, usually on bicycles or e-scooters, take their chance.

    Of course, it shouldn't be like that but it is and we all know that.
    Which wasn't the point I was making, if I was on the same street rang up the police I would just get a shrug and here's a crime number....he rings up the police he gets a swift response and support....two tiers of law here....you are rich, famous, poweful the police fall over themselves to investigate.....be the average joe and frankly fuck off its your own fault
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    The special effects on that film are incredible.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    boulay said:

    Bugger, from Popbitch.


    Razzle-Dazzle. Echoing in eternity

    There's been no film more anticipated this year than Gladiator II. The original won Best Picture at the Oscars and huge acclaim for Russell Crowe.


    This week a preview at London's BAFTA certainly made an impression on viewers. And if early feelers are right, expect a host of award nominations... at the Razzies.



    It's rare for anyone to utter a bad word about anything at the British Academy of Film and Television Arts as there's every chance someone involved in what you are critiquing will pop up next to you at the screening. And yet at this screening, someone was heard openly commenting, "that was so bad" as the titles rolled.



    Why? The script was described as awful; the dialogue "laughable".



    And the usually reliable Paul Mescal, "makes Gerard Butler look like Daniel Day Lewis".

    PS - Gladiator II director Ridley Scott is 87 now, five years older than Joe Biden.

    To be fair, after the first or second watch of gladiator it’s actually not that great and a bit naff. An amazing spectacle when you first watch in a cinema, a different film you notice different things about when you watch it at home but I am never going to watch it as many times as Spartacus or Ben Hur.
    I love Gladiator, I think it holds up well and have rewatched it many times. But I would never have guessed Gladiator II was 'anticipated', the chances of it being the next Top Gun Maverick always seemed low.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,632
    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    The special effects on that film are incredible.
    I took my son to see it in the cinema for the first time. It really stood up.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,660
    edited November 7
    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    44 year old...

    Eeek!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,806
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Is it a Christmas movie, though ?
    Oh FFS.
    Film For Santa ?
    If we're going to start arguing about Die Hard's Christmas or otherwise statutes I could certainly use a machine gun.
    "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year!"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    Godfather 2 is better than the first.
    But 3 was terrible.
    Edit: Btw, do we have any experts here on the Fast & Furious franchise? I believe the first film was dreadful, and the sequels got progressively worse. Is this correct?
    The second could only get back one of the original stars, the third could get neither, the fourth was a soft reboot that did surprisingly well, they then got fun for 5,6 and 7, on juusssst the right side of utterly nonsensical, and then because just drek again.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,261
    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    The special effects on that film are incredible.
    I took my son to see it in the cinema for the first time. It really stood up.
    Oh nice. How old is your son? I hope he enjoyed it?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,336
    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    The great tales are timeless. Spartacus was mentioned upthread. Although you know that he and his followers will come to terrible ends, defeat is no refutation.

    “Heart shall be stronger, spirit the keener, will the greater, even as our strength lessens.”
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Sean_F said:

    Not exactly a sequel, but I adored Dune Part 2 ( I loved Part 1 also).

    I’m intrigued to see how Villeneuve will handle Dune Messiah, especially after turning Chani into the antagonist (but an antagonist who may actually be a true heroine).

    Maybe he'll surprise us and do the bit between Dune and Dune Messiah - you know, actually show some genocidal jihad.

    I was surprised by Dune Part 2 - I've not liked Chalomet in anything to date, including Dune Part 1, and he actually impressed me with his performance.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,864

    stodge said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    Not sure about Harris. In her speech last night she said a LOT of questionable things with aggressive rhetoric, such as saying the word "fight" about 20 times lol!

    Biden's speech tonight was truly Presidential and got the tone just right. One of the few times in the past four years I've actually been impressed with him
    Certainly agree about Biden - an excellent speech. Indeed, there are many examples of politicians reacting with real dignity to their defeat - John Major and Rishi Sunak to name but two.

    They set an example which unfortunately all too many of their supporters choose not to follow.
    Sunak's departure speech was so good that the Conservative Press felt obliged to ignore it completely.
    Yes and the strange thing was it was the perfect speech for the defeated Party. It contained a significant mea culpa which I've not heard from ANY of the other Conservative MP leadership candidates let alone Badenoch herself.

    Sunak started the process of re-connecting the party with the public with that speech but it's not been taken forward by any of the rump intake since to any meaningful extent.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,261

    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    44 year old...

    Eeek!
    Yes, trying to knock my age down there, haha! 😂
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    While I'm here, about Badenoch. I thought she'd be a formidable opponent, and although it's very early days, I'm not so sure. Here's why (and I know Crace made a similar point in the Guardian).

    1. One of Badenoch's major selling points is to be passionately pro-free speech and against cancel culture. She has been particularly disparaging about the habit of dredging up historic tweets or other sources and blowing them up out of all proportion as 'gotchas' to seek to character assassinate. (I've some sympathy with her view).

    2. At her first PMQs, Badenoch dredged up an old tweet (Lammy, 2017, in opposition) as a 'gotcha' to seek to drive an unhelpful wedge between the government and the new US President. Worse, she demanded an 'apology' by Lammy for exercising his free speech.

    3. Not a promising start to do precisely what she's been so critical of others doing. I don't think she thought it through.

    It depends what she, and we, want her to achieve.

    If she aspires to be a statesman then I agree, her approach re foreign affairs - and truly difficult things like dealing with a Trumpian administration - should be to support, encourage, advise, warn, counsel, lead, advocate and all that for a united UK front except where there is a genuine deep ideological split between the parties over something. (With Trump I don't think there is such a split among serious people - other big nations must work unitedly to manage a Trumpian world because he is risky). The last thing she would do would give our enemies succour by making life more difficult for our foreign secretary just because he has been a truthful idiot.

    It may well be that OTOH she aspires merely to be a politician. In which case all is fair, as in love and war.

    PS I like Lammy; but I don't think he will be FS for long. Bet accordingly but DYOR.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,015
    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    A really remarkable watch, back in 1980.

    The one I'll never forget, though, is watching the original release of Apocalypse Now, in a cinema with a banging sound system.
    Just blew my mind.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    MaxPB said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    While this is true, it shows how badly US democracy has fallen we now appreciate a peaceful end to an election. Trump has seriously damaged the reputation of the US.
    Indeed. Whatever else he has done, personally I cannot get over how he acted at the end of the last election. Despite some initial criticism the american people have proven a lot more forgiving.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,015
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Is it a Christmas movie, though ?
    Oh FFS.
    Film For Santa ?
    If we're going to start arguing about Die Hard's Christmas or otherwise statutes I could certainly use a machine gun.
    What argument ?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,632
    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    The special effects on that film are incredible.
    I took my son to see it in the cinema for the first time. It really stood up.
    Oh nice. How old is your son? I hope he enjoyed it?
    16. He really enjoyed it. He’s a fan of Star Wars , but his first big screen encounter. It was a classic father son outing. From The rumble of starships to the majestic imperial march belting out. What’s not to like?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,630
    edited November 7
    stodge said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    Not sure about Harris. In her speech last night she said a LOT of questionable things with aggressive rhetoric, such as saying the word "fight" about 20 times lol!

    Biden's speech tonight was truly Presidential and got the tone just right. One of the few times in the past four years I've actually been impressed with him
    Certainly agree about Biden - an excellent speech. Indeed, there are many examples of politicians reacting with real dignity to their defeat - John Major and Rishi Sunak to name but two.

    They set an example which unfortunately all too many of their supporters choose not to follow.
    It makes some of the gloating here about Trump's victory all the more nauseating. There would hundreds of lawsuits and marches on the capitol at the very least had the result been reversed.

    I think we'll end up missing Biden, or at least the competent team he had running things.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Cookie said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    True. If you can console yourself qith nothing else when losing an election, console yourself that by consenting as a loser to the result that you extend the concept of democracy to the next election. Loser's consent is one of the wonders of our age and ahould be treasured and celebrated.
    Which is why a gallant loser is not merely a loser.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,261
    Jonathan said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    The special effects on that film are incredible.
    I took my son to see it in the cinema for the first time. It really stood up.
    Oh nice. How old is your son? I hope he enjoyed it?
    16. He really enjoyed it. He’s a fan of Star Wars , but his first big screen encounter. It was a classic father son outing. From The rumble of starships to the majestic imperial march belting out. What’s not to like?
    :heart:
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,864
    Pagan2 said:

    stodge said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    And if he wasn't an mp the response when he rang up would have been "we can give you a crime number"
    What the Met say constantly is using your phone in public is asking for it to be stolen. There are signs up everywhere and announcements on the tubes and trains urging people not to leave their phone "on display" but we are of course so dependent on the devices out they come as soon as we're outside the stations and the muggers, usually on bicycles or e-scooters, take their chance.

    Of course, it shouldn't be like that but it is and we all know that.
    Which wasn't the point I was making, if I was on the same street rang up the police I would just get a shrug and here's a crime number....he rings up the police he gets a swift response and support....two tiers of law here....you are rich, famous, poweful the police fall over themselves to investigate.....be the average joe and frankly fuck off its your own fault
    Yes and I did undertand what you were trying to say. I know exactly what you mean and the line nowadays is the best way not to be a victim of crime is to stop the crime being committed and not be an easy "mark" or target for such opportunistic crime. The Met want the public to stop the crimes being committed because they know as we know there's little or no prospect of resolution or justice once the crime has occurred.

    Two tier policing has always existed and there's no point imagining it hasn't. Money, wealth, influence or power gets you a long way, often a very long way, in this world.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,775
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Not exactly a sequel, but I adored Dune Part 2 ( I loved Part 1 also).

    I’m intrigued to see how Villeneuve will handle Dune Messiah, especially after turning Chani into the antagonist (but an antagonist who may actually be a true heroine).

    Maybe he'll surprise us and do the bit between Dune and Dune Messiah - you know, actually show some genocidal jihad.

    I was surprised by Dune Part 2 - I've not liked Chalomet in anything to date, including Dune Part 1, and he actually impressed me with his performance.
    That reminds me - the spin-off "Dune: Prophecy" starts on the 17th :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune:_Prophecy

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,806
    Eabhal said:

    stodge said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    Not sure about Harris. In her speech last night she said a LOT of questionable things with aggressive rhetoric, such as saying the word "fight" about 20 times lol!

    Biden's speech tonight was truly Presidential and got the tone just right. One of the few times in the past four years I've actually been impressed with him
    Certainly agree about Biden - an excellent speech. Indeed, there are many examples of politicians reacting with real dignity to their defeat - John Major and Rishi Sunak to name but two.

    They set an example which unfortunately all too many of their supporters choose not to follow.
    It makes some of the gloating here about Trump's victory all the more nauseating. There would hundreds of lawsuits and marches on the capitol at the very least had the result been reversed.

    I think we'll end up missing Biden, or at least the competent team he had running things.
    "Listen to me. Learn from me. I was not the best because I won elections quickly. I was the best because the electorate loved me. Win the electorate and you will win your freedom."
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,864
    Eabhal said:

    stodge said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    Not sure about Harris. In her speech last night she said a LOT of questionable things with aggressive rhetoric, such as saying the word "fight" about 20 times lol!

    Biden's speech tonight was truly Presidential and got the tone just right. One of the few times in the past four years I've actually been impressed with him
    Certainly agree about Biden - an excellent speech. Indeed, there are many examples of politicians reacting with real dignity to their defeat - John Major and Rishi Sunak to name but two.

    They set an example which unfortunately all too many of their supporters choose not to follow.
    It makes some of the gloating here about Trump's victory all the more nauseating. There would hundreds of lawsuits and marches on the capitol at the very least had the result been reversed.

    I think we'll end up missing Biden, or at least the competent team he had running things.
    The point is many of those on here who are gloating about Trump aren't really Trump supporters - it's more about having a go at the "woke", the "lefties", the "liberal-left elite" or whatever perjorative works best for them.

    In the end that's what politics becomes - it's not who you are for that matters, it's who you are against.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,394
    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    The great tales are timeless. Spartacus was mentioned upthread. Although you know that he and his followers will come to terrible ends, defeat is no refutation.

    “Heart shall be stronger, spirit the keener, will the greater, even as our strength lessens.”
    That must be how Starmer sees himself.
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