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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,865
    MikeL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    @williamglenn, @MartinVegas, @MarqueeMark , @rcs1000

    OK, to summarise: urban are not turning out in the swing states. But of those that are turning out, they are predominately women. If those women prioritise immigration and inflation, they will win it for Trump. If those women prioritise abortion, they will win it for Kamela.

    Any ideas, gang?

    Except Nevada. In Nevada, it's the urban and suburban areas that are turning out, while rural is not.

    Which is the exact opposite of what we'd expect given data on voting by party registration.
    Sorry but that's the opposite of what Ralston has.

    NV turnout per Ralston:

    Clark 51.8%
    Washoe 53.4%
    Rurals 59.8%

    Incidentally Ralston did an update at Mon 7.25pm PT - see link:

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024
    I'm quoting the site @viewcode shared.

    The numbers may not be accurate, given they don't really match with Georgia either. But @viewcode is getting very excited about them.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    3-3 in Dixville

    Have to love these mad anomalies on election days, like the hamlet of six people who all turn up at midnight.
    Where? It is already half past midnight down the right-hand side.
    Dixville Notch, NH. They already announced their result, 3-3 for President.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/politics/dixville-notch-new-hampshire-2024-results/index.html

    Interestingly 2020 was 5-0 to Biden, and 2016 was Clinton 4, Trump 2, Johnson 1
    A swing to Trump compared to last time, but of the six voters, four are GOP registered, so Harris can take consultation from Trump not even landing all the republicans.
    Yes its a weird one, four of the six voters were registered as Republicans for the primary this year, with two indys. Nikki Haley won 6-0.

    https://apnews.com/article/dixville-notch-primary-voting-new-hampshire-tuesday-0f7f420054403510364469ad52255270
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,185
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    3-3 in Dixville

    Have to love these mad anomalies on election days, like the hamlet of six people who all turn up at midnight.
    Where? It is already half past midnight down the right-hand side.
    Dixville Notch, NH. They already announced their result, 3-3 for President.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/politics/dixville-notch-new-hampshire-2024-results/index.html

    Interestingly 2020 was 5-0 to Biden, and 2016 was Clinton 4, Trump 2, Johnson 1
    2012 was a 5-5 tie and Obama ended up with a pretty decent win. I think it all goes to show that whilst this is a quaint tradition its prognosticating powers are slim to non-existent.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    ChatGPT gets basic Maths wrong

    I was mildly alarmed today to learn that a structural engineer friend uses chatgpt to do his structural engineering calculations.
    Apparently the paid for version is better than the free version. But still.
    Sorry, what??

    I hope it isn't for anything more than a shed. And even then...
    You’d be amazed how many otherwise intelligent professional people have come to treat LLM output as gospel. It really is rather worrying.
    Treating is as gospel surely is good news*.

    * I hope that least some people get this. My money is on @ydoethur and @StillWaters.
    Is that the new international version of humour?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,141
    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    @williamglenn, @MartinVegas, @MarqueeMark , @rcs1000

    OK, to summarise: urban are not turning out in the swing states. But of those that are turning out, they are predominately women. If those women prioritise immigration and inflation, they will win it for Trump. If those women prioritise abortion, they will win it for Kamela.

    Any ideas, gang?

    Except Nevada. In Nevada, it's the urban and suburban areas that are turning out, while rural is not.

    Which is the exact opposite of what we'd expect given data on voting by party registration.
    Sorry but that's the opposite of what Ralston has.

    NV turnout per Ralston:

    Clark 51.8%
    Washoe 53.4%
    Rurals 59.8%

    Incidentally Ralston did an update at Mon 7.25pm PT - see link:

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024
    I'm quoting the site @viewcode shared.

    The numbers may not be accurate, given they don't really match with Georgia either. But @viewcode is getting very excited about them.
    WRT Georgia, the early vote gender split favours Harris. But the split by race seems to favour Trump, with white voters over 60% of the total. Do black voters there generally turn out on the day?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,652
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    3-3 in Dixville

    Have to love these mad anomalies on election days, like the hamlet of six people who all turn up at midnight.
    Where? It is already half past midnight down the right-hand side.
    Dixville Notch, NH. They already announced their result, 3-3 for President.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/politics/dixville-notch-new-hampshire-2024-results/index.html

    Interestingly 2020 was 5-0 to Biden, and 2016 was Clinton 4, Trump 2, Johnson 1
    They also voted:

    Congress: Dem 4, Rep 2

    Governor: Dem 1, Rep 5
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    edited 6:09AM
    ToryJim said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    3-3 in Dixville

    Have to love these mad anomalies on election days, like the hamlet of six people who all turn up at midnight.
    Where? It is already half past midnight down the right-hand side.
    Dixville Notch, NH. They already announced their result, 3-3 for President.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/politics/dixville-notch-new-hampshire-2024-results/index.html

    Interestingly 2020 was 5-0 to Biden, and 2016 was Clinton 4, Trump 2, Johnson 1
    2012 was a 5-5 tie and Obama ended up with a pretty decent win. I think it all goes to show that whilst this is a quaint tradition its prognosticating powers are slim to non-existent.
    Oh of course, it’s just a funny and traditional anomaly to keep the media talking while nothing else is happening in the middle of the night.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    MikeL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    3-3 in Dixville

    Have to love these mad anomalies on election days, like the hamlet of six people who all turn up at midnight.
    Where? It is already half past midnight down the right-hand side.
    Dixville Notch, NH. They already announced their result, 3-3 for President.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/politics/dixville-notch-new-hampshire-2024-results/index.html

    Interestingly 2020 was 5-0 to Biden, and 2016 was Clinton 4, Trump 2, Johnson 1
    They also voted:

    Congress: Dem 4, Rep 2

    Governor: Dem 1, Rep 5
    They’re a right bunch of swingers!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,865
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    @williamglenn, @MartinVegas, @MarqueeMark , @rcs1000

    OK, to summarise: urban are not turning out in the swing states. But of those that are turning out, they are predominately women. If those women prioritise immigration and inflation, they will win it for Trump. If those women prioritise abortion, they will win it for Kamela.

    Any ideas, gang?

    Except Nevada. In Nevada, it's the urban and suburban areas that are turning out, while rural is not.

    Which is the exact opposite of what we'd expect given data on voting by party registration.
    Sorry but that's the opposite of what Ralston has.

    NV turnout per Ralston:

    Clark 51.8%
    Washoe 53.4%
    Rurals 59.8%

    Incidentally Ralston did an update at Mon 7.25pm PT - see link:

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024
    I'm quoting the site @viewcode shared.

    The numbers may not be accurate, given they don't really match with Georgia either. But @viewcode is getting very excited about them.
    WRT Georgia, the early vote gender split favours Harris. But the split by race seems to favour Trump, with white voters over 60% of the total. Do black voters there generally turn out on the day?
    The white vote in Georgia was 62% in 2022 and 60% in 2020, so I think that's largely in line. However, there's definitely some black underperformance relative to those years.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076
    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    3-3 in Dixville

    Have to love these mad anomalies on election days, like the hamlet of six people who all turn up at midnight.
    Where? It is already half past midnight down the right-hand side.
    Dixville Notch, NH. They already announced their result, 3-3 for President.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/politics/dixville-notch-new-hampshire-2024-results/index.html

    Interestingly 2020 was 5-0 to Biden, and 2016 was Clinton 4, Trump 2, Johnson 1
    A swing to Trump compared to last time, but of the six voters, four are GOP registered, so Harris can take consultation from Trump not even landing all the republicans.
    Yes its a weird one, four of the six voters were registered as Republicans for the primary this year, with two indys. Nikki Haley won 6-0.

    https://apnews.com/article/dixville-notch-primary-voting-new-hampshire-tuesday-0f7f420054403510364469ad52255270
    So on subsamples 25% of Republicans are voting for Harris.

    If that continues nationally - clear Harris victory nothing to worry about
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,573
    Trump does not like voting machines, and apparently nor does Elon Musk. Trump likes the French announcing results within half an hour, and paper.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,652
    Another 1.5m early votes added by NBC.

    Total now 78.6m - almost precisely 50% of 2020 total vote.

    Gender split remains Women 53, Men 44, Unknown 3.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/early-vote
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095
    Nigelb said:

    Nikki Haley wants to inherit the mantle, whatever the cost.
    https://x.com/7Veritas4/status/1853266550242877868

    She’s not supporting him. She said a few vague words once in the interests of party unity. And then shut up
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    So much data on all these voters, yet it still takes so damn long to count the actual votes!

    Happy US Election Day everyone!

    We'll know the result for Florida within two hours of polls closing. Georgia, unless it's very close, likewise.
    Florida could be useful since if Trump wins it by less than 5% he's probably going to lose the election overall.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095

    HYUFD said:

    Trump calls Farage 'the big winner of the last UK general election' at his Pennsylvania rally tonight which Farage is attending

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1853558745298538503

    Hooray! Go Nige.

    By the way, I am sure PB shrewdies told us that Trump had dropped Farage like a hot potato and was all about Sir Tosspot these days??
    Trump said Farage won the UK election. He is not well.
    Not quite. He said he was the “biggest winner”.

    Everyone expected Starmer to become PM. And he did. He won. But relative to expectations? Arguably Farage did better - he finally became an MP…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    MikeL said:

    Another 1.5m early votes added by NBC.

    Total now 78.6m - almost precisely 50% of 2020 total vote.

    Gender split remains Women 53, Men 44, Unknown 3.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/early-vote

    Republican Twitter has woken up to the gender bias. There’s lots of young lady conservatives telling the young men to make sure they vote today. At the last election there were 10m more women than men who voted.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    "@NateSilver538
    It's published. We ran 80,000 simulations tonight. Harris won in 40,012."

    https://x.com/NateSilver538/status/1853673781350260902
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    Andy_JS said:

    "@NateSilver538
    It's published. We ran 80,000 simulations tonight. Harris won in 40,012."

    https://x.com/NateSilver538/status/1853673781350260902

    That’s totally bonkers, properly on a knife-edge.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,825

    HYUFD said:

    Trump calls Farage 'the big winner of the last UK general election' at his Pennsylvania rally tonight which Farage is attending

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1853558745298538503

    Hooray! Go Nige.

    By the way, I am sure PB shrewdies told us that Trump had dropped Farage like a hot potato and was all about Sir Tosspot these days??
    Trump said Farage won the UK election. He is not well.
    Not quite. He said he was the “biggest winner”.

    Everyone expected Starmer to become PM. And he did. He won. But relative to expectations? Arguably Farage did better - he finally became an MP…
    In no way is the leader of the party that gained 5 MPs a bigger winner than the leader of the party that gained 211 new MPs.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,736
    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    So much data on all these voters, yet it still takes so damn long to count the actual votes!

    Happy US Election Day everyone!

    We'll know the result for Florida within two hours of polls closing. Georgia, unless it's very close, likewise.
    Florida could be useful since if Trump wins it by less than 5% he's probably going to lose the election overall.
    Whichever way it goes, I'd be surprised if this election remains on a knife edge for very long after the polls have closed.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@NateSilver538
    It's published. We ran 80,000 simulations tonight. Harris won in 40,012."

    https://x.com/NateSilver538/status/1853673781350260902

    That’s totally bonkers, properly on a knife-edge.
    Equally it’s based on polling data that seems to in many cases be herding and may be seriously underestimating female voters,

    We won’t know for 18 hours or so but I suspect it’s going to be a clear Harris win - and I wasn’t saying that yesterday
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,865
    Sandpit said:

    MikeL said:

    Another 1.5m early votes added by NBC.

    Total now 78.6m - almost precisely 50% of 2020 total vote.

    Gender split remains Women 53, Men 44, Unknown 3.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/early-vote

    Republican Twitter has woken up to the gender bias. There’s lots of young lady conservatives telling the young men to make sure they vote today. At the last election there were 10m more women than men who voted.
    Yes, it was 52:48 last time.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Sandpit said:

    MikeL said:

    Another 1.5m early votes added by NBC.

    Total now 78.6m - almost precisely 50% of 2020 total vote.

    Gender split remains Women 53, Men 44, Unknown 3.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/early-vote

    Republican Twitter has woken up to the gender bias. There’s lots of young lady conservatives telling the young men to make sure they vote today. At the last election there were 10m more women than men who voted.
    As I have spelt out in detail below for Georgia, women are killing this for Trump.

    It's going to need a tsunami of Trump men to vote for him today. If those lines aren't dominated by men - it's over.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,825

    Sandpit said:

    MikeL said:

    Another 1.5m early votes added by NBC.

    Total now 78.6m - almost precisely 50% of 2020 total vote.

    Gender split remains Women 53, Men 44, Unknown 3.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/early-vote

    Republican Twitter has woken up to the gender bias. There’s lots of young lady conservatives telling the young men to make sure they vote today. At the last election there were 10m more women than men who voted.
    As I have spelt out in detail below for Georgia, women are killing this for Trump.

    It's going to need a tsunami of Trump men to vote for him today. If those lines aren't dominated by men - it's over.
    Obligatory response:

    Oh dear, how sad, nevermind.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    Chris said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    So much data on all these voters, yet it still takes so damn long to count the actual votes!

    Happy US Election Day everyone!

    We'll know the result for Florida within two hours of polls closing. Georgia, unless it's very close, likewise.
    Florida could be useful since if Trump wins it by less than 5% he's probably going to lose the election overall.
    Whichever way it goes, I'd be surprised if this election remains on a knife edge for very long after the polls have closed.
    I don't think it'll be an easy win for any candidate either.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,736
    Andy_JS said:

    Chris said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    So much data on all these voters, yet it still takes so damn long to count the actual votes!

    Happy US Election Day everyone!

    We'll know the result for Florida within two hours of polls closing. Georgia, unless it's very close, likewise.
    Florida could be useful since if Trump wins it by less than 5% he's probably going to lose the election overall.
    Whichever way it goes, I'd be surprised if this election remains on a knife edge for very long after the polls have closed.
    I don't think it'll be an easy win for any candidate either.
    I think I'm saying the opposite. Whoever wins, I doubt the final result will be close.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    edited 6:49AM
    Gender split in Pennsylvania is again huge in early voting. As of November 1st:

    "More than 1.6 million commonwealth voters have cast early mail-in ballots for the Nov. 5 presidential election. An Inquirer analysis of early ballot returns found that women composed 56% of the early mail-ins, with men trailing at 43%, according to voting data obtained from the Pennsylvania Department of State this week."

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/early-voting-women-seniors-pennsylvania-20241101.html

    A 13% split. If we again take the last ABC split of women voters favouring Harris by 11%, that is another huge firewall banked by Harris.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,306

    biggles said:

    tyson said:

    Without sounding hyperbolic, tomorrow feels like the most consequential election in my lifetime..and I say this as someone who had to make life changing decisions following the Brexit vote...

    if Trump wins, I'm done with politics. If Harris wins, then the world will feel that much more a better place...and hopefully, the Republicans can choose someone next time who doesn't scare the living shit out of me...

    My worry is that Trump has now infected his party such that even if he loses, the next Republican President (and there will be one) will still embolden Putin or his successor and trigger a global trade war.

    We need him to not just lose, but lose so badly that the Democrats take the House and Senate on the coattails. And that seems inconceivable.
    I know people might think I'm a broken record on this, but how do you see Putin taking Crimea and invading Donbas under Obama and then launching a full-scale invasion under Biden and conclude that Trump is the problem?
    We've been over this before, but you don't seem to engage, preferring to just repeat your own rather simplistic opinion.

    In my view, the following happened:
    Russia's military was in a parlous state in the 1990s. In the 2000s, Putin started a process of rebuilding both material and training.

    This material and training was shown as being poor in the 2008 Georgia invasion (under, you should note, Republican George W Bush). They 'won', but it was not as easy as Putin's military leaders had claimed it would be. ISTR some of those leaders were soon not-leaders.

    Then, after six more years, he launched the 2014 Ukraine invasion. He grabbed Crimea fairly easily, but the Ukrainian response and the 'separatist' (note: Russian) forces performed very poorly. More rebuilding was necessary.

    In the meantime, he gave his forces the sort of 'training' he felt it needed in places like Syria. Real combat.

    Then Covid happened. Putin retreats into a hovel deep within the Kremlin. The war is delayed.

    In early 2021, Putin orders forces to start massing at the Ukrainian border. He believes his forces are in a much better state, both materially and in form of training, than seven years earlier. A year later he invades.

    Note that none of this timing depends on who is president. The Russian forces were simply not in a position to launch the invasion between 2016 and 2020.
    You appear to be arguing against the thesis that Putin was "emboldened" by Trump.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    @williamglenn, @MartinVegas, @MarqueeMark , @rcs1000

    OK, to summarise: urban are not turning out in the swing states. But of those that are turning out, they are predominately women. If those women prioritise immigration and inflation, they will win it for Trump. If those women prioritise abortion, they will win it for Kamela.

    Any ideas, gang?

    Except Nevada. In Nevada, it's the urban and suburban areas that are turning out, while rural is not.

    Which is the exact opposite of what we'd expect given data on voting by party registration.
    Sorry but that's the opposite of what Ralston has.

    NV turnout per Ralston:

    Clark 51.8%
    Washoe 53.4%
    Rurals 59.8%

    Incidentally Ralston did an update at Mon 7.25pm PT - see link:

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024
    I'm quoting the site @viewcode shared.

    The numbers may not be accurate, given they don't really match with Georgia either. But @viewcode is getting very excited about them.
    WRT Georgia, the early vote gender split favours Harris. But the split by race seems to favour Trump, with white voters over 60% of the total. Do black voters there generally turn out on the day?
    This election is not about race.

    It is about gender.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,652
    edited 6:59AM
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MikeL said:

    Another 1.5m early votes added by NBC.

    Total now 78.6m - almost precisely 50% of 2020 total vote.

    Gender split remains Women 53, Men 44, Unknown 3.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/early-vote

    Republican Twitter has woken up to the gender bias. There’s lots of young lady conservatives telling the young men to make sure they vote today. At the last election there were 10m more women than men who voted.
    Yes, it was 52:48 last time.
    Just to be clear, 52:48 does not equate to 10m more female voters in 2020.

    Total vote in 2020 was 158m

    So if it was 52:48 it would mean approx 6m more female voters.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    edited 6:58AM
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: decided to very slightly modify my title situation with a hedge of 1.21 (laying on Betfair) on McLaren. They have a solid shot and are seen as favourites but comparing the points each team amassed in the last three races Ferrari do have a very credible shot at this. I'm still green either way and wouldn't want to change that, but Ferrari are 36 points behind, meaning they need 12 per race (and 1 in the sprint, if you like).

    In the previous three race weekends they won 116 points to McLaren's 77. Big if, but if repeated then Ferrari would take the title.

    Edited extra bit: worth noting there were two sprints in the last three races but just one in the final three.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,652

    Gender split in Pennsylvania is again huge in early voting. As of November 1st:

    "More than 1.6 million commonwealth voters have cast early mail-in ballots for the Nov. 5 presidential election. An Inquirer analysis of early ballot returns found that women composed 56% of the early mail-ins, with men trailing at 43%, according to voting data obtained from the Pennsylvania Department of State this week."

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/early-voting-women-seniors-pennsylvania-20241101.html

    A 13% split. If we again take the last ABC split of women voters favouring Harris by 11%, that is another huge firewall banked by Harris.

    Per NBC, PA early vote is actually 1,777k.

    Gender split of 56:43 is correct.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    edited 7:01AM
    Chris said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Chris said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    So much data on all these voters, yet it still takes so damn long to count the actual votes!

    Happy US Election Day everyone!

    We'll know the result for Florida within two hours of polls closing. Georgia, unless it's very close, likewise.
    Florida could be useful since if Trump wins it by less than 5% he's probably going to lose the election overall.
    Whichever way it goes, I'd be surprised if this election remains on a knife edge for very long after the polls have closed.
    I don't think it'll be an easy win for any candidate either.
    I think I'm saying the opposite. Whoever wins, I doubt the final result will be close.
    You can have a clear win without it being any sort of easy win or landslide.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790
    Good morning everyone.

    It appears that a lot of people think like this: 'Ann Selzer is a seasoned professional with a stellar record of predicting Iowa elections, but her result this time does not match with my amateur opinion gained from a perusal of the internet. The obvious conclusion is to discard her data and keep my opinion.'

    I discarded my amateur opinion and kept her data. It may be wrong, but there are good solid reasons behind her result, which certainly seem to match early voting data elsewhere.

    A big EC win can happen even when margins in individual states are small. We shall see.

    Two postscripts:
    I would be delighted to be wrong about GA. And the numbers being posted on here are hopeful.
    Comparing early votes to 2020: umm, COVID election rules?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: decided to very slightly modify my title situation with a hedge of 1.21 (laying on Betfair) on McLaren. They have a solid shot and are seen as favourites but comparing the points each team amassed in the last three races Ferrari do have a very credible shot at this. I'm still green either way and wouldn't want to change that, but Ferrari are 36 points behind, meaning they need 12 per race (and 1 in the sprint, if you like).

    In the previous three race weekends they won 116 points to McLaren's 77. Big if, but if repeated then Ferrari would take the title.

    Last year Ferrari did well at Vegas and I expect they will do the same this year.

    Qatar is interesting as I think the combination of Vegas than traveling half round the world followed by Qatar is going to be a killer for jet lag - within 5 days you need to shift your body clock 12 hours
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    Mr. eek, oh, aye. Having a three week break then three races on the bounce, including a shift from Nevada to Arabia, is special.

    If Ferrari do very well at Vegas then my plan is to hedge the other way. But I think the Constructors' has been quite swingy. I backed/tipped Ferrari initially at 9.5, then they slumped to about 3.2 or so, now back out to over 5.

    This may change, but Piastri's been off-form for the last few races. If that doesn't improve, this could be very close.
  • highwayparadise306highwayparadise306 Posts: 1,273
    Morning. My calculation. Harris 302. Trump 236. My formula is being kept secret before someone asked how I got there! We will see how I did and I am sure I will be held to account if I am incorrect!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MikeL said:

    Another 1.5m early votes added by NBC.

    Total now 78.6m - almost precisely 50% of 2020 total vote.

    Gender split remains Women 53, Men 44, Unknown 3.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/early-vote

    Republican Twitter has woken up to the gender bias. There’s lots of young lady conservatives telling the young men to make sure they vote today. At the last election there were 10m more women than men who voted.
    Yes, it was 52:48 last time.
    And in early voting in Georgia this time it is 56.0:43.8 - with 56% of the electorate having voted.

    If 100% of Georgians were to vote, the split would have to be 60:40 to men to balance up on gender. But turnout last time was 66%. On that metric for turnout, if the remaining 10% still to vote were all men, it still can't level up.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095

    A message of hope:

    https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1853571107439399155

    We are building the biggest and broadest coalition in American Political History. This includes record-breaking numbers of Arab and Muslim Voters in Michigan who want PEACE. They know Kamala and her warmonger Cabinet will invade the Middle East, get millions of Muslims killed, and start World War III. VOTE TRUMP, AND BRING BACK PEACE!

    “The other lot will start world war 3”

    As positive as the remain campaign
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134

    Morning. My calculation. Harris 302. Trump 236. My formula is being kept secret before someone asked how I got there! We will see how I did and I am sure I will be held to account if I am incorrect!

    I'll be the first to congratulate you if it is 302/236.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    edited 7:11AM
    eek said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: decided to very slightly modify my title situation with a hedge of 1.21 (laying on Betfair) on McLaren. They have a solid shot and are seen as favourites but comparing the points each team amassed in the last three races Ferrari do have a very credible shot at this. I'm still green either way and wouldn't want to change that, but Ferrari are 36 points behind, meaning they need 12 per race (and 1 in the sprint, if you like).

    In the previous three race weekends they won 116 points to McLaren's 77. Big if, but if repeated then Ferrari would take the title.

    Last year Ferrari did well at Vegas and I expect they will do the same this year.

    Qatar is interesting as I think the combination of Vegas than traveling half round the world followed by Qatar is going to be a killer for jet lag - within 5 days you need to shift your body clock 12 hours
    Sandpit to Vegas is a 24 hour trip with 12 hours’ difference. Yes, it took me pretty much the whole week to recover, it’s horrible!

    In their favour is that Vegas is a night race, so if they keep a sensible wake and sleep times it’s only about four hours. Vegas race is at my 10am (their 10pm Saturday).

    Edit: Nope, Qatar is a night race too, so it’s about 9 hours they need to move.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    MikeL said:

    Gender split in Pennsylvania is again huge in early voting. As of November 1st:

    "More than 1.6 million commonwealth voters have cast early mail-in ballots for the Nov. 5 presidential election. An Inquirer analysis of early ballot returns found that women composed 56% of the early mail-ins, with men trailing at 43%, according to voting data obtained from the Pennsylvania Department of State this week."

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/early-voting-women-seniors-pennsylvania-20241101.html

    A 13% split. If we again take the last ABC split of women voters favouring Harris by 11%, that is another huge firewall banked by Harris.

    Per NBC, PA early vote is actually 1,777k.

    Gender split of 56:43 is correct.
    Yes, 4 days and 170k more votes later, the gender split is still steady.

    And horrible for Trump.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076

    Mr. eek, oh, aye. Having a three week break then three races on the bounce, including a shift from Nevada to Arabia, is special.

    If Ferrari do very well at Vegas then my plan is to hedge the other way. But I think the Constructors' has been quite swingy. I backed/tipped Ferrari initially at 9.5, then they slumped to about 3.2 or so, now back out to over 5.

    This may change, but Piastri's been off-form for the last few races. If that doesn't improve, this could be very close.

    I was actually going to say that - take McLaren profits now because their odds will length at Vegas because Ferrari should do well there.
    A Ferrari 1,2 with McLaren 3rd and 6/7th would not surprise me at all
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509

    Nigelb said:

    Nikki Haley wants to inherit the mantle, whatever the cost.
    https://x.com/7Veritas4/status/1853266550242877868

    She’s not supporting him. She said a few vague words once in the interests of party unity. And then shut up
    She out out a lengthy statement of support yesterday.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1853610975594790936

    Early voting 20240 vs. 2020 in swing states shows a big shift:

    2024:
    Rural: 6.2M
    Urban: 3.8M

    2020:
    Rural: 6.4M
    Urban: 6.2M

    Target Smart

    Jeez, she's dead. That lines up with that gossip from the New York Republican.
    Go look at the actual numbers for Georgia here
    https://sos.ga.gov/page/election-data-hub-turnout

    Turnout is much higher in Atlanta than in rural areas
    https://targetearly.targetsmart.com/g2024
    Ummm:

    I'm not seeing anyway to get urban/rural splits out of that website. Or indeed, county level data to enable me to compare it to the releases from the Georgia SoS.

    I also think a total of 3.8 million early votes across Pittsburg, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Las Vegas, Reno, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Detroit, Madison, Charlotte, Raleigh and more seems laughably low, given that close to 1.5 million will come from Atlanta, and there are 5 million people in the Phoenix metropolitan area alone.

    I think someone has linked to Target Smart and just made up some numbers.
    Filter by urbanicity:

    https://targetearly.targetsmart.com/g2024?calc_type=turnoutPercent&comparison_years=2020&comparison_years=2024&count_prefix=final_eav_voted_count_&demo_filters=[{"key":"urbanicity","value":"All"}]&vote_mode=0
    Thanks:

    Looking at Georgia (below), gives somewhat more plausible numbers:



    Albeit it is worth remembering that Georgia is at 55% turnout already, not the 47% listed. So I'm not sure where TargetSmart gets its numbers from.

    It's also pretty misleading to just compare Urban with Rural and miss out Suburban.
    Nevertheless, assuming the numbers are directionally right, it is definitely not good news for the Democrats that Urban and Suburban are down, while Rural is up.
    Covid impact?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509
    One day this guy will be president.
    https://x.com/AnandWrites/status/1853671093183053975
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: decided to very slightly modify my title situation with a hedge of 1.21 (laying on Betfair) on McLaren. They have a solid shot and are seen as favourites but comparing the points each team amassed in the last three races Ferrari do have a very credible shot at this. I'm still green either way and wouldn't want to change that, but Ferrari are 36 points behind, meaning they need 12 per race (and 1 in the sprint, if you like).

    In the previous three race weekends they won 116 points to McLaren's 77. Big if, but if repeated then Ferrari would take the title.

    Last year Ferrari did well at Vegas and I expect they will do the same this year.

    Qatar is interesting as I think the combination of Vegas than traveling half round the world followed by Qatar is going to be a killer for jet lag - within 5 days you need to shift your body clock 12 hours
    Sandpit to Vegas is a 24 hour trip with 12 hours’ difference. Yes, it took me pretty much the whole week to recover, it’s horrible!

    In their favour is that Vegas is a night race, so if they keep a sensible wake and sleep times it’s only about four hours. Vegas race is at my 10am (their 10pm Saturday).

    Edit: Nope, Qatar is a night race too, so it’s about 9 hours they need to move.
    I did go and check race times to see how awful that change in location was going to be - and it’s going to be absolutely awful.

    It’s also 10 hours, Vegas is 6am uk time, Qatar 4pm
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,696
    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    It’s indexed linked now though so future increases won’t need to be announced in the same way.

    What annoys me is that it doesn’t fix anything but it matches the Labour approach of vague fix that solves the immediate crisis but doesn’t solve any part of the actual issue.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    Think of it as the policy equivalent of an out of office email. They will hope they it's just enough to avoid a collapse while they work out what to do long-term.

    Why they didn't come to office with a long-term plan ready to go, I don't know.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,891
    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

    @Steven_Swinford
    Kemi Badenoch was left infuriated after The Times disclosed that she had appointed Robert Jenrick as her shadow justice secretary yesterday

    Badenoch had wanted to announce Jenrick’s appointment today so the appointments of Priti Patel as shadow foreign secretary and Mel Stride as shadow chancellor would take the headlines
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    Think of it as the policy equivalent of an out of office email. They will hope they it's just enough to avoid a collapse while they work out what to do long-term.

    Why they didn't come to office with a long-term plan ready to go, I don't know.
    Starmer appears to have done almost none of the work expected when in Opposition.

    We may have thought that his empty campaign would see him over the line as being better than the alternative, but he actually had nothing to bring forward. He just wants to be in power for the sake of being in power, no vision about how he wishes to move the country forward.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,668

    Cookie said:

    ChatGPT gets basic Maths wrong

    I was mildly alarmed today to learn that a structural engineer friend uses chatgpt to do his structural engineering calculations.
    Apparently the paid for version is better than the free version. But still.
    Sorry, what??

    I hope it isn't for anything more than a shed. And even then...
    You’d be amazed how many otherwise intelligent professional people have come to treat LLM output as gospel. It really is rather worrying.
    I did worry that would happen. Part of the problem is people calling it "AI" when it's nothing of the sort.

    The next Grenfell-style disaster could well end up being due to someone using a LLM to do something out isn't capable of doing, and not checking the results.
    It’s now extremely rare for ChatGPT to get “basic maths wrong”. In fact it is increasingly rare for these things to get anything wrong - tho of course it still happens

    Anyway. Good day everyone

    Seems a bit quiet. Nothing happening today?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    edited 7:35AM
    Sandpit said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    Think of it as the policy equivalent of an out of office email. They will hope they it's just enough to avoid a collapse while they work out what to do long-term.

    Why they didn't come to office with a long-term plan ready to go, I don't know.
    Starmer appears to have done almost none of the work expected when in Opposition.

    We may have thought that his empty campaign would see him over the line as being better than the alternative, but he actually had nothing to bring forward. He just wants to be in power for the sake of being in power, no vision about how he wishes to move the country forward.
    Alternatively he’s taking a pragmatic conservative approach. Lots of small things that add up, but do not create disruption. Sometimes Starmer comes across as the first conservative PM we’ve had in years,
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

    @Steven_Swinford
    Kemi Badenoch was left infuriated after The Times disclosed that she had appointed Robert Jenrick as her shadow justice secretary yesterday

    Badenoch had wanted to announce Jenrick’s appointment today so the appointments of Priti Patel as shadow foreign secretary and Mel Stride as shadow chancellor would take the headlines

    Gee, I wonder who could have leaked that?

    So petty. Such a Mickey Mouse act.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    edited 7:39AM
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

    @Steven_Swinford
    Kemi Badenoch was left infuriated after The Times disclosed that she had appointed Robert Jenrick as her shadow justice secretary yesterday

    Badenoch had wanted to announce Jenrick’s appointment today so the appointments of Priti Patel as shadow foreign secretary and Mel Stride as shadow chancellor would take the headlines

    Gee, I wonder who could have leaked that?

    So petty. Such a Mickey Mouse act.
    Disney’s lawyers want a word
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,141

    Cookie said:

    ChatGPT gets basic Maths wrong

    I was mildly alarmed today to learn that a structural engineer friend uses chatgpt to do his structural engineering calculations.
    Apparently the paid for version is better than the free version. But still.
    Sorry, what??

    I hope it isn't for anything more than a shed. And even then...
    You’d be amazed how many otherwise intelligent professional people have come to treat LLM output as gospel. It really is rather worrying.
    I did worry that would happen. Part of the problem is people calling it "AI" when it's nothing of the sort.

    The next Grenfell-style disaster could well end up being due to someone using a LLM to do something out isn't capable of doing, and not checking the results.
    The real problem is people treating results that are generated by electronic systems as Gospel, even when they are garbage (eg the Post Office).

    If a result seems intuitively wrong, investigate it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

    @Steven_Swinford
    Kemi Badenoch was left infuriated after The Times disclosed that she had appointed Robert Jenrick as her shadow justice secretary yesterday

    Badenoch had wanted to announce Jenrick’s appointment today so the appointments of Priti Patel as shadow foreign secretary and Mel Stride as shadow chancellor would take the headlines

    Gee, I wonder who could have leaked that?

    So petty. Such a Mickey Mouse act.
    Disney’s lawyers want a word
    Thank goodness you caught the apostrophe error. My back's sore enough today without wincing.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205

    Cookie said:

    ChatGPT gets basic Maths wrong

    I was mildly alarmed today to learn that a structural engineer friend uses chatgpt to do his structural engineering calculations.
    Apparently the paid for version is better than the free version. But still.
    Sorry, what??

    I hope it isn't for anything more than a shed. And even then...
    You’d be amazed how many otherwise intelligent professional people have come to treat LLM output as gospel. It really is rather worrying.
    I did worry that would happen. Part of the problem is people calling it "AI" when it's nothing of the sort.

    The next Grenfell-style disaster could well end up being due to someone using a LLM to do something out isn't capable of doing, and not checking the results.
    As I've said many times before, the threat from the current AI technology is not it deciding to take over the world, but idiots taking what the AI outputs as gospel and doing it, without using their own intelligence or common sense.

    Sadly, as the 'computer says no' jokes show, people frequently do exactly this.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,773
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    ChatGPT gets basic Maths wrong

    I was mildly alarmed today to learn that a structural engineer friend uses chatgpt to do his structural engineering calculations.
    Apparently the paid for version is better than the free version. But still.
    Sorry, what??

    I hope it isn't for anything more than a shed. And even then...
    You’d be amazed how many otherwise intelligent professional people have come to treat LLM output as gospel. It really is rather worrying.
    I did worry that would happen. Part of the problem is people calling it "AI" when it's nothing of the sort.

    The next Grenfell-style disaster could well end up being due to someone using a LLM to do something out isn't capable of doing, and not checking the results.
    It’s now extremely rare for ChatGPT to get “basic maths wrong”. In fact it is increasingly rare for these things to get anything wrong - tho of course it still happens

    Anyway. Good day everyone

    Seems a bit quiet. Nothing happening today?
    Happened to me just last week. I used it to trawl for some info about my dog’s medical condition, and it came up with recommendations based on the precise opposite of the cause. As soon as I pointed out it had things all wrong, it agreed and came up with a reverse set of recommendations.

    GPT is very easy to fool into an error if you are trying - on this occasion I actually just wanted info, but it was dangerously wrong.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,060
    It looked more likely at the weekend than it does today, after the three coalition leaders met last night. The only way the government will be brought down is if the FDP split from the coalition but this would be a suicidal move for Lindner and his party. They have been consistently under the 5% hurdle and bringing down the government is hardly going to be a vote winner for them.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,891

    Cookie said:

    ChatGPT gets basic Maths wrong

    I was mildly alarmed today to learn that a structural engineer friend uses chatgpt to do his structural engineering calculations.
    Apparently the paid for version is better than the free version. But still.
    Sorry, what??

    I hope it isn't for anything more than a shed. And even then...
    You’d be amazed how many otherwise intelligent professional people have come to treat LLM output as gospel. It really is rather worrying.
    I did worry that would happen. Part of the problem is people calling it "AI" when it's nothing of the sort.

    The next Grenfell-style disaster could well end up being due to someone using a LLM to do something out isn't capable of doing, and not checking the results.
    As I've said many times before, the threat from the current AI technology is not it deciding to take over the world, but idiots taking what the AI outputs as gospel and doing it, without using their own intelligence or common sense.

    Sadly, as the 'computer says no' jokes show, people frequently do exactly this.
    The current state of AI

    https://x.com/mhartl/status/1851397372884172868
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    ..
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

    @Steven_Swinford
    Kemi Badenoch was left infuriated after The Times disclosed that she had appointed Robert Jenrick as her shadow justice secretary yesterday

    Badenoch had wanted to announce Jenrick’s appointment today so the appointments of Priti Patel as shadow foreign secretary and Mel Stride as shadow chancellor would take the headlines

    Gee, I wonder who could have leaked that?

    So petty. Such a Mickey Mouse act.
    You paint such a depressing picture.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    eek said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    It’s indexed linked now though so future increases won’t need to be announced in the same way.

    What annoys me is that it doesn’t fix anything but it matches the Labour approach of vague fix that solves the immediate crisis but doesn’t solve any part of the actual issue.
    Process State thinking - another regulation, rule or some more pages of reports and the problem seems to go away for a bit.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    Scott_xP said:

    Cookie said:

    ChatGPT gets basic Maths wrong

    I was mildly alarmed today to learn that a structural engineer friend uses chatgpt to do his structural engineering calculations.
    Apparently the paid for version is better than the free version. But still.
    Sorry, what??

    I hope it isn't for anything more than a shed. And even then...
    You’d be amazed how many otherwise intelligent professional people have come to treat LLM output as gospel. It really is rather worrying.
    I did worry that would happen. Part of the problem is people calling it "AI" when it's nothing of the sort.

    The next Grenfell-style disaster could well end up being due to someone using a LLM to do something out isn't capable of doing, and not checking the results.
    As I've said many times before, the threat from the current AI technology is not it deciding to take over the world, but idiots taking what the AI outputs as gospel and doing it, without using their own intelligence or common sense.

    Sadly, as the 'computer says no' jokes show, people frequently do exactly this.
    The current state of AI

    https://x.com/mhartl/status/1851397372884172868
    Chinese whispers via AI... ;)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,473

    Are rallies for the faithful really the best use of a presidential candidates time?

    In the UK we'd do a mix of interviews, soapboxes, meet the voters and battlebus stuff across a variety of constituencies.

    Yes, it's quite a contrast to British campaigning. You never see Harris pointing at potholes, or Trump in a white coat staring at test tubes in a lab somewhere. Neither pulling pints either.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    Sandpit said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    Think of it as the policy equivalent of an out of office email. They will hope they it's just enough to avoid a collapse while they work out what to do long-term.

    Why they didn't come to office with a long-term plan ready to go, I don't know.
    Starmer appears to have done almost none of the work expected when in Opposition.

    We may have thought that his empty campaign would see him over the line as being better than the alternative, but he actually had nothing to bring forward. He just wants to be in power for the sake of being in power, no vision about how he wishes to move the country forward.
    No, he does have an agenda - it's doing his bit to get us back into the EU. Sadly (for him) he'll poison that well too, as everything he touches turns into a binfire.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,388

    eek said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    It’s indexed linked now though so future increases won’t need to be announced in the same way.

    What annoys me is that it doesn’t fix anything but it matches the Labour approach of vague fix that solves the immediate crisis but doesn’t solve any part of the actual issue.
    Process State thinking - another regulation, rule or some more pages of reports and the problem seems to go away for a bit.
    "that solves the immediate crisis"

    I don't think they have solved the immediate crisis. Unis are in deficit by 10s millions £. This is tinkering.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,551
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nikki Haley wants to inherit the mantle, whatever the cost.
    https://x.com/7Veritas4/status/1853266550242877868

    She’s not supporting him. She said a few vague words once in the interests of party unity. And then shut up
    She out out a lengthy statement of support yesterday.
    Haley yesterday:
    “No politician gets everything right. For those of us clear-eyed enough to see Mr. Trump’s flaws and honest enough to acknowledge them, the question is whether we’re better off with his policies or his opponent’s. On taxes, spending, inflation, immigration, energy and national security, the candidates are miles apart. And Mr. Trump is clearly the better choice.”
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    Foxy said:

    Are rallies for the faithful really the best use of a presidential candidates time?

    In the UK we'd do a mix of interviews, soapboxes, meet the voters and battlebus stuff across a variety of constituencies.

    Yes, it's quite a contrast to British campaigning. You never see Harris pointing at potholes, or Trump in a white coat staring at test tubes in a lab somewhere. Neither pulling pints either.
    Pretending to work in MaccieDs or on a bin lorry?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,773
    Foxy said:

    Are rallies for the faithful really the best use of a presidential candidates time?

    In the UK we'd do a mix of interviews, soapboxes, meet the voters and battlebus stuff across a variety of constituencies.

    Yes, it's quite a contrast to British campaigning. You never see Harris pointing at potholes, or Trump in a white coat staring at test tubes in a lab somewhere. Neither pulling pints either.
    There is nevertheless a lot of door knocking and knocking up (not that they call it that), and leaflet delivery hung on door handles in the manner of a 'do not disturb' sign, as there aren't any letterboxes and they're not allowed to use the USPS mailboxes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509
    What Trump wants to hobble.

    Taiwan’s TSMC Arizona fab to begin 4 nm production in December
    https://taiwannews.com.tw/news/5964282
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ..

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

    @Steven_Swinford
    Kemi Badenoch was left infuriated after The Times disclosed that she had appointed Robert Jenrick as her shadow justice secretary yesterday

    Badenoch had wanted to announce Jenrick’s appointment today so the appointments of Priti Patel as shadow foreign secretary and Mel Stride as shadow chancellor would take the headlines

    Gee, I wonder who could have leaked that?

    So petty. Such a Mickey Mouse act.
    You paint such a depressing picture.
    No sense in whitewashing it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,473
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

    @Steven_Swinford
    Kemi Badenoch was left infuriated after The Times disclosed that she had appointed Robert Jenrick as her shadow justice secretary yesterday

    Badenoch had wanted to announce Jenrick’s appointment today so the appointments of Priti Patel as shadow foreign secretary and Mel Stride as shadow chancellor would take the headlines

    Gee, I wonder who could have leaked that?

    So petty. Such a Mickey Mouse act.
    No doubt that shortly there will be a cover up.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    Sandpit said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    Think of it as the policy equivalent of an out of office email. They will hope they it's just enough to avoid a collapse while they work out what to do long-term.

    Why they didn't come to office with a long-term plan ready to go, I don't know.
    Starmer appears to have done almost none of the work expected when in Opposition.

    We may have thought that his empty campaign would see him over the line as being better than the alternative, but he actually had nothing to bring forward. He just wants to be in power for the sake of being in power, no vision about how he wishes to move the country forward.
    No, he does have an agenda - it's doing his bit to get us back into the EU. Sadly (for him) he'll poison that well too, as everything he touches turns into a binfire.
    Compare and contrast with Liz Truss. Oh wait...
  • Re Georgia, and the view that more women out is a positive for Harris. It is worth remembering that Georgia was the site of a particularly high-profile case of an illegal immigrant killing a female student and one that generated a lot of anger.

    It might not be abortion that is driving these female voters out.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/will-laken-rileys-murder-tip-georgia
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700
    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

    @Steven_Swinford
    Kemi Badenoch was left infuriated after The Times disclosed that she had appointed Robert Jenrick as her shadow justice secretary yesterday

    Badenoch had wanted to announce Jenrick’s appointment today so the appointments of Priti Patel as shadow foreign secretary and Mel Stride as shadow chancellor would take the headlines

    Gee, I wonder who could have leaked that?

    So petty. Such a Mickey Mouse act.
    Disney’s lawyers want a word
    What a Mickey Mouse company.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076

    eek said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    It’s indexed linked now though so future increases won’t need to be announced in the same way.

    What annoys me is that it doesn’t fix anything but it matches the Labour approach of vague fix that solves the immediate crisis but doesn’t solve any part of the actual issue.
    Process State thinking - another regulation, rule or some more pages of reports and the problem seems to go away for a bit.
    "that solves the immediate crisis"

    I don't think they have solved the immediate crisis. Unis are in deficit by 10s millions £. This is tinkering.
    It solves the immediate the Government needs to do something bit.

    And as I commented yesterday I don’t think the department of education has a clue as to the scale of the crisis in higher education or any idea what the root causes are. So it recommends more of the same and leaves universities to it.

    The extra money here doesn’t even pay the new employer NI costs as far as I can work out
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    ChatGPT gets basic Maths wrong

    I was mildly alarmed today to learn that a structural engineer friend uses chatgpt to do his structural engineering calculations.
    Apparently the paid for version is better than the free version. But still.
    Sorry, what??

    I hope it isn't for anything more than a shed. And even then...
    You’d be amazed how many otherwise intelligent professional people have come to treat LLM output as gospel. It really is rather worrying.
    I did worry that would happen. Part of the problem is people calling it "AI" when it's nothing of the sort.

    The next Grenfell-style disaster could well end up being due to someone using a LLM to do something out isn't capable of doing, and not checking the results.
    It’s now extremely rare for ChatGPT to get “basic maths wrong”. In fact it is increasingly rare for these things to get anything wrong - tho of course it still happens

    Anyway. Good day everyone

    Seems a bit quiet. Nothing happening today?
    I checked recently and it told me that "raspberry" contains two r's.

    As a language model it's very impressive and turns out very plausible copy, although I find the bouncy demeanor they've given it annoying, but for anything factual it is worse than useless.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,473
    edited 7:52AM

    Foxy said:

    Are rallies for the faithful really the best use of a presidential candidates time?

    In the UK we'd do a mix of interviews, soapboxes, meet the voters and battlebus stuff across a variety of constituencies.

    Yes, it's quite a contrast to British campaigning. You never see Harris pointing at potholes, or Trump in a white coat staring at test tubes in a lab somewhere. Neither pulling pints either.
    Pretending to work in MaccieDs or on a bin lorry?
    Both notable for being a deviation from the usual style.
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Are rallies for the faithful really the best use of a presidential candidates time?

    In the UK we'd do a mix of interviews, soapboxes, meet the voters and battlebus stuff across a variety of constituencies.

    Yes, it's quite a contrast to British campaigning. You never see Harris pointing at potholes, or Trump in a white coat staring at test tubes in a lab somewhere. Neither pulling pints either.
    There is nevertheless a lot of door knocking and knocking up (not that they call it that), and leaflet delivery hung on door handles in the manner of a 'do not disturb' sign, as there aren't any letterboxes and they're not allowed to use the USPS mailboxes.
    That presumably is the point of the rallies, to fire up the faithful and get them door knocking.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076
    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nikki Haley wants to inherit the mantle, whatever the cost.
    https://x.com/7Veritas4/status/1853266550242877868

    She’s not supporting him. She said a few vague words once in the interests of party unity. And then shut up
    She out out a lengthy statement of support yesterday.
    Haley yesterday:
    “No politician gets everything right. For those of us clear-eyed enough to see Mr. Trump’s flaws and honest enough to acknowledge them, the question is whether we’re better off with his policies or his opponent’s. On taxes, spending, inflation, immigration, energy and national security, the candidates are miles apart. And Mr. Trump is clearly the better choice.”
    Basically those are the tick boxes she needs to tick to stand a chance in 2028 - and she’s ticked those boxes so will be able to stand in 2028
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,575
    What has Trump done to his face?

    image

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czxrnw5qrprt
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    Re Georgia, and the view that more women out is a positive for Harris. It is worth remembering that Georgia was the site of a particularly high-profile case of an illegal immigrant killing a female student and one that generated a lot of anger.

    It might not be abortion that is driving these female voters out.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/will-laken-rileys-murder-tip-georgia

    Of course!

    Caveat Emptor: You may be right.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700
    edited 7:55AM
    I'm quite interested to learn that Labour are picking up the Conservative policy on restricting smoking by age cohort.

    (Wes Streeting on Today if I heard it correctly.)
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

    @Steven_Swinford
    Kemi Badenoch was left infuriated after The Times disclosed that she had appointed Robert Jenrick as her shadow justice secretary yesterday

    Badenoch had wanted to announce Jenrick’s appointment today so the appointments of Priti Patel as shadow foreign secretary and Mel Stride as shadow chancellor would take the headlines

    Gee, I wonder who could have leaked that?

    So petty. Such a Mickey Mouse act.
    No doubt that shortly there will be a cover up.
    If he’d won the leadership I wonder how much of this he’d have got. I don’t think the story was that well known outside political circles. Could have been fun.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    eek said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    It’s indexed linked now though so future increases won’t need to be announced in the same way.

    What annoys me is that it doesn’t fix anything but it matches the Labour approach of vague fix that solves the immediate crisis but doesn’t solve any part of the actual issue.
    Process State thinking - another regulation, rule or some more pages of reports and the problem seems to go away for a bit.
    "that solves the immediate crisis"

    I don't think they have solved the immediate crisis. Unis are in deficit by 10s millions £. This is tinkering.
    Kick the can 6 inches. Some people say that is a long way.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 425
    Jonathan said:

    Sandpit said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    Think of it as the policy equivalent of an out of office email. They will hope they it's just enough to avoid a collapse while they work out what to do long-term.

    Why they didn't come to office with a long-term plan ready to go, I don't know.
    Starmer appears to have done almost none of the work expected when in Opposition.

    We may have thought that his empty campaign would see him over the line as being better than the alternative, but he actually had nothing to bring forward. He just wants to be in power for the sake of being in power, no vision about how he wishes to move the country forward.
    Alternatively he’s taking a pragmatic conservative approach. Lots of small things that add up, but do not create disruption. Sometimes Starmer comes across as the first conservative PM we’ve had in years,
    Small "c"? You're probably correct.
    Not surprising you get a pass from the media if you're a radical right wing govt but any sign of radical policy from the left and there's hysterical fear mongering.
    A slow, cautious start from Starmer and Reeves has left the media frothing at the mouth trying to stir up dissent about ending the favourite tax avoidance schemes of multi-millionaires.
    I'd have preferred a bit of hope and better Comms but even if it's just competent administration, sweeping up the mess and gradual improvement that's a massive improvement over the alternative.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,125
    Chris said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Chris said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    So much data on all these voters, yet it still takes so damn long to count the actual votes!

    Happy US Election Day everyone!

    We'll know the result for Florida within two hours of polls closing. Georgia, unless it's very close, likewise.
    Florida could be useful since if Trump wins it by less than 5% he's probably going to lose the election overall.
    Whichever way it goes, I'd be surprised if this election remains on a knife edge for very long after the polls have closed.
    I don't think it'll be an easy win for any candidate either.
    I think I'm saying the opposite. Whoever wins, I doubt the final result will be close.
    Depends what you mean by close. Trump could win all 7 swing states, while still losing the popular vote, and only winning the tipping point state by 1%. That would be a fairly comfortable win in terms of Electoral College numbers, and one state (Nevada) better than he did in 2016. But a election where the winner loses the popular vote, and a half per cent national swing would give it to the other candidate - I'd still call that close!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297

    NEW THREAD

  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720

    eek said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    It’s indexed linked now though so future increases won’t need to be announced in the same way.

    What annoys me is that it doesn’t fix anything but it matches the Labour approach of vague fix that solves the immediate crisis but doesn’t solve any part of the actual issue.
    Process State thinking - another regulation, rule or some more pages of reports and the problem seems to go away for a bit.
    "that solves the immediate crisis"

    I don't think they have solved the immediate crisis. Unis are in deficit by 10s millions £. This is tinkering.
    Kick the can 6 inches. Some people say that is a long way.
    Get people used to incremental annual changes. That’s a lot easier than one big leap, which would get everyone out on the streets.

    Also why I think it was a mistake not to unfreeze fuel duty and reverse the 5p cut, or indeed go halfway on that. Get voters used to the idea certain things go up with inflation.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    edited 7:58AM
    RCP average now +0.1 Harris. The polls have the race as a toss up. Evens the pair. The betting is almost 60:40 in Trump's favour. Harris almost 2.5 when the polls have her at 2.0. You could make 25% on your money if you backed Harris at 2.5 and were able to lay her back at 2.0. Will this prove to be the biggest Political Betting value opportunity ever? Huge liquidity available.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    eek said:

    eek said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    It’s indexed linked now though so future increases won’t need to be announced in the same way.

    What annoys me is that it doesn’t fix anything but it matches the Labour approach of vague fix that solves the immediate crisis but doesn’t solve any part of the actual issue.
    Process State thinking - another regulation, rule or some more pages of reports and the problem seems to go away for a bit.
    "that solves the immediate crisis"

    I don't think they have solved the immediate crisis. Unis are in deficit by 10s millions £. This is tinkering.
    It solves the immediate the Government needs to do something bit.

    And as I commented yesterday I don’t think the department of education has a clue as to the scale of the crisis in higher education or any idea what the root causes are. So it recommends more of the same and leaves universities to it.

    The extra money here doesn’t even pay the new employer NI costs as far as I can work out
    And it's a lagging receipt. I can't help thinking the last Government killed the sector with its overseas student dependents stunt. Although what Johnsonian/ Trussian/Sunakian* Tory wouldn't hanker after the days of Universities exclusively available to the elite 7%.

    * Badenochian is going to cause me problems!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418
    eek said:

    I don’t understand why Labour have announced this paltry increase in university tuition fees (3%). All that negative publicity for what is a small change that will do little to solve the funding problems the sector faces.

    It’s indexed linked now though so future increases won’t need to be announced in the same way.

    What annoys me is that it doesn’t fix anything but it matches the Labour approach of vague fix that solves the immediate crisis but doesn’t solve any part of the actual issue.
    Any fix to any issue is hugely unpopular
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Are rallies for the faithful really the best use of a presidential candidates time?

    In the UK we'd do a mix of interviews, soapboxes, meet the voters and battlebus stuff across a variety of constituencies.

    Yes, it's quite a contrast to British campaigning. You never see Harris pointing at potholes, or Trump in a white coat staring at test tubes in a lab somewhere. Neither pulling pints either.
    There is nevertheless a lot of door knocking and knocking up (not that they call it that), and leaflet delivery hung on door handles in the manner of a 'do not disturb' sign, as there aren't any letterboxes and they're not allowed to use the USPS mailboxes.
    What's the rationale behind no use of USPS mailboxes?

    That sounds very strange.

    Are they allowed to use it if they send the leaflet through the post?

    Only in the USA.
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