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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,368
    HYUFD said:

    George Osborne says he has found more support for Trump amongst company executives and major figures on Wall Street at conferences he attends now than he did in 2016. More evidence for a Trump popular vote win by making inroads on the coasts and with Latinos and Black men while Harris may yet scrape home in the EC by gains with white women and rural white voters in the Midwest and Pennsylvania?
    https://x.com/polcurrency/status/1852372642465997149

    I'm thinking George Osborn doesn't have much dealings with young women of limited means, wondering how the hell they are going to cope if their boyfriend gets them pregnant and there's no option of an abortion.

    That he meets lots of hedge fund managers delighted at the prospect of their taxes being lowered is not exactly surprising.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,907

    Tres said:

    I told you Kemi Badenoch was utterly useless lacking any judgment.

    She has already offered Lord Houchen of High Leven, the Tees Valley mayor who did not back either candidate, the deputy leadership.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-makes-history-as-new-tory-leader-rzgjpzkn9

    You serious? That a great move from Kemi.
    Teesworks.

    He makes Bobby J look like a model of probity.
    Am I just naive? I refuse to believe that corruption is rampant across our body politics. I’ve been in positions at a local government level where it might have been worth bunging me something, never got offered anything or even hinted at.
    The police do not mess around with this kind of stuff. If there was dodgy stuff going on they wouldn’t be able to stop falling over themselves to chase it down. Careers are made on taking down dodgy politicians.
    I always think it’s worth remembering that a cabinet minister went to jail, yes, went to jail for getting his wife to take his three speeding points.
    An act in itself if we are being honest is trivial and could have been swept under the carpet with a telling off and not be so stupid.
    But no he was pursued and went to jail. It will be the same if anything comes out of Covid. Jail. Back to Covid, we had a pm and a chancellor. Two of the three highest offices of state of HMG who got fixed penalties for been present when someone else presented them some cake whilst they were at work. The chancellor even left the room a few minutes after it started, yet still got a fine.

    If something stinks the police either are on it, will be on it, or it didn’t really stink after all.
    christ, you're as green as grass
    Every local facebook group I have ever been a member on has a list of people claiming council planning decisions are the consequence of brown paper envelopes. They are utterly convinced that Bob Useless the chairman of the local planning committee is getting bungs from a national house builder.
    I have actually seen a brown paper envelope pass hands between two people, early one morning in one of the villages on the road to Cork.

    I haven't lined down here long enough to recognise the two people involved in the transaction, and it may have simply been two farmers transacting legitimate business, but it certainly looked a bit odd.
    A friend owed me £500 I'd lent her. She produced it from her cleavage. Onlookers wwere quizzically wondering why she was paying ME...
    Was this a storage situation or was the money somehow being generated? As that would be a rare talent.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,954

    Sandpit said:

    Roll on November 6th, when we can finally stop taking about the US presidential election.

    If it’s as close as many of the polls suggest, we’ll be talking about it up to January 6th.

    Hopefully it’s a clear win one way or the other.
    See

    Labour MPs push back against anti-pylon lobbying despite local opposition

    Letter by 61 Labour MPs supports ‘cheapest and most pragmatic’ plan for new electricity infrastructure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/03/labour-mps-push-back-against-anti-pylon-lobbying-despite-local-opposition

    Thank goodness.

    There’s arguments both ways. Pylons are not exactly beautiful, but then much of the countryside isn’t that beautiful either. If there was infinite money perhaps burying the lines would be best, but we don’t have infinite money.
    How they look is irrelevant.
    No, it’s not. Lots of people believe in beauty and in the intrinsic beauty of the world around them. Maybe you don’t, but others do.
    Yes it is totally irrelevant.

    Rejecting infrastructure because you don’t like how it looks is not grounds for not having it. That’s one of the key reasons everything takes so long.

    HS2, don’t like a train line so we have to build it in a tunnel at massive expense. Should have just said bugger off and build it anyway.

    Phone masts - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need coverage.

    Houses - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need houses.

    Houses don't have to be hideous, unlike apparently pylons and phone masts. Some can be stunningly beautiful.

    But the moronic Angela Rayner has systematically stripped all provision for beauty in housing out of the proposed legislation and the dismal modernist architectural profession we have will ensure that any new houses are unbelievably ugly, thereby ensuring local opposition and delaying the houses we desperately need even longer.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,590
    kle4 said:

    Tres said:

    I told you Kemi Badenoch was utterly useless lacking any judgment.

    She has already offered Lord Houchen of High Leven, the Tees Valley mayor who did not back either candidate, the deputy leadership.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-makes-history-as-new-tory-leader-rzgjpzkn9

    You serious? That a great move from Kemi.
    Teesworks.

    He makes Bobby J look like a model of probity.
    Am I just naive? I refuse to believe that corruption is rampant across our body politics. I’ve been in positions at a local government level where it might have been worth bunging me something, never got offered anything or even hinted at.
    The police do not mess around with this kind of stuff. If there was dodgy stuff going on they wouldn’t be able to stop falling over themselves to chase it down. Careers are made on taking down dodgy politicians.
    I always think it’s worth remembering that a cabinet minister went to jail, yes, went to jail for getting his wife to take his three speeding points.
    An act in itself if we are being honest is trivial and could have been swept under the carpet with a telling off and not be so stupid.
    But no he was pursued and went to jail. It will be the same if anything comes out of Covid. Jail. Back to Covid, we had a pm and a chancellor. Two of the three highest offices of state of HMG who got fixed penalties for been present when someone else presented them some cake whilst they were at work. The chancellor even left the room a few minutes after it started, yet still got a fine.

    If something stinks the police either are on it, will be on it, or it didn’t really stink after all.
    christ, you're as green as grass
    Every local facebook group I have ever been a member on has a list of people claiming council planning decisions are the consequence of brown paper envelopes. They are utterly convinced that Bob Useless the chairman of the local planning committee is getting bungs from a national house builder.
    I have actually seen a brown paper envelope pass hands between two people, early one morning in one of the villages on the road to Cork.

    I haven't lined down here long enough to recognise the two people involved in the transaction, and it may have simply been two farmers transacting legitimate business, but it certainly looked a bit odd.
    A friend owed me £500 I'd lent her. She produced it from her cleavage. Onlookers wwere quizzically wondering why she was paying ME...
    Was this a storage situation or was the money somehow being generated? As that would be a rare talent.
    Some years ago, I was at a party in St Andrews, when I got a call.

    A lady, asked, given the strange and cryptic conversation, whether that was my drug dealer.

    I explained, no, that was my arms dealer.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,362

    Sandpit said:

    Roll on November 6th, when we can finally stop taking about the US presidential election.

    If it’s as close as many of the polls suggest, we’ll be talking about it up to January 6th.

    Hopefully it’s a clear win one way or the other.
    See

    Labour MPs push back against anti-pylon lobbying despite local opposition

    Letter by 61 Labour MPs supports ‘cheapest and most pragmatic’ plan for new electricity infrastructure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/03/labour-mps-push-back-against-anti-pylon-lobbying-despite-local-opposition

    Thank goodness.

    There’s arguments both ways. Pylons are not exactly beautiful, but then much of the countryside isn’t that beautiful either. If there was infinite money perhaps burying the lines would be best, but we don’t have infinite money.
    How they look is irrelevant.

    Now over these small hills, they have built the concrete
    That trails black wire
    Pylons, those pillars
    Bare like nude giant girls that have no secret.

    The valley with its gilt and evening look
    And the green chestnut
    Of customary root,
    Are mocked dry like the parched bed of a brook.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,907
    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Roll on November 6th, when we can finally stop taking about the US presidential election.

    If it’s as close as many of the polls suggest, we’ll be talking about it up to January 6th.

    Hopefully it’s a clear win one way or the other.
    See

    Labour MPs push back against anti-pylon lobbying despite local opposition

    Letter by 61 Labour MPs supports ‘cheapest and most pragmatic’ plan for new electricity infrastructure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/03/labour-mps-push-back-against-anti-pylon-lobbying-despite-local-opposition

    Thank goodness.

    There’s arguments both ways. Pylons are not exactly beautiful, but then much of the countryside isn’t that beautiful either. If there was infinite money perhaps burying the lines would be best, but we don’t have infinite money.
    How they look is irrelevant.
    No, it’s not. Lots of people believe in beauty and in the intrinsic beauty of the world around them. Maybe you don’t, but others do.
    Yes it is totally irrelevant.

    Rejecting infrastructure because you don’t like how it looks is not grounds for not having it. That’s one of the key reasons everything takes so long.

    HS2, don’t like a train line so we have to build it in a tunnel at massive expense. Should have just said bugger off and build it anyway.

    Phone masts - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need coverage.

    Houses - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need houses.

    Houses don't have to be hideous, unlike apparently pylons and phone masts. Some can be stunningly beautiful.

    But the moronic Angela Rayner has systematically stripped all provision for beauty in housing out of the proposed legislation and the dismal modernist architectural profession we have will ensure that any new houses are unbelievably ugly, thereby ensuring local opposition and delaying the houses we desperately need even longer.
    I'm sceptical keeping that provision in would have had a significant deleterious effect on local oppoisition, but its removal was still a mistake.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    edited November 3

    Sandpit said:

    Roll on November 6th, when we can finally stop taking about the US presidential election.

    If it’s as close as many of the polls suggest, we’ll be talking about it up to January 6th.

    Hopefully it’s a clear win one way or the other.
    See

    Labour MPs push back against anti-pylon lobbying despite local opposition

    Letter by 61 Labour MPs supports ‘cheapest and most pragmatic’ plan for new electricity infrastructure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/03/labour-mps-push-back-against-anti-pylon-lobbying-despite-local-opposition

    Thank goodness.

    There’s arguments both ways. Pylons are not exactly beautiful, but then much of the countryside isn’t that beautiful either. If there was infinite money perhaps burying the lines would be best, but we don’t have infinite money.
    There's a precedent. In the 1930s, wityh the rise of the National Grid and the CEGB, the pylon designs had to be checked over by the aesthetic experts - Royal Fine Art Commission or whoever it was.

    Wonder whether Horse would like his mobile masts sussed out by the Tate Gallery? (mild joke)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,217
    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Roll on November 6th, when we can finally stop taking about the US presidential election.

    If it’s as close as many of the polls suggest, we’ll be talking about it up to January 6th.

    Hopefully it’s a clear win one way or the other.
    See

    Labour MPs push back against anti-pylon lobbying despite local opposition

    Letter by 61 Labour MPs supports ‘cheapest and most pragmatic’ plan for new electricity infrastructure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/03/labour-mps-push-back-against-anti-pylon-lobbying-despite-local-opposition

    Thank goodness.

    There’s arguments both ways. Pylons are not exactly beautiful, but then much of the countryside isn’t that beautiful either. If there was infinite money perhaps burying the lines would be best, but we don’t have infinite money.
    How they look is irrelevant.
    No, it’s not. Lots of people believe in beauty and in the intrinsic beauty of the world around them. Maybe you don’t, but others do.
    Yes it is totally irrelevant.

    Rejecting infrastructure because you don’t like how it looks is not grounds for not having it. That’s one of the key reasons everything takes so long.

    HS2, don’t like a train line so we have to build it in a tunnel at massive expense. Should have just said bugger off and build it anyway.

    Phone masts - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need coverage.

    Houses - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need houses.

    Houses don't have to be hideous, unlike apparently pylons and phone masts. Some can be stunningly beautiful.

    But the moronic Angela Rayner has systematically stripped all provision for beauty in housing out of the proposed legislation and the dismal modernist architectural profession we have will ensure that any new houses are unbelievably ugly, thereby ensuring local opposition and delaying the houses we desperately need even longer.
    She's only been in office four months. Was there not a problem before?

    In nearby Llantwit Major the locals are up in arms at Ukrainian refugees being housed in modular housing. Not because the housing is substandard or ugly but because there are foreigners within the walls.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,429
    This Week


    @ThisWeekABC

    At least 41% of all registered Michigan voters have already cast their ballot, @JujuChangABC
    reports from the key battleground state just two days before Election Day.

    “It is a nail-biter here.” https://trib.al/fxFygYz

    https://x.com/ThisWeekABC/status/1853119073036501351
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    HYUFD said:

    George Osborne says he has found more support for Trump amongst company executives and major figures on Wall Street at conferences he attends now than he did in 2016. More evidence for a Trump popular vote win by making inroads on the coasts and with Latinos and Black men while Harris may yet scrape home in the EC by gains with white women and rural white voters in the Midwest and Pennsylvania?
    https://x.com/polcurrency/status/1852372642465997149

    This is a distinctive position you're staking out for yourself here. Trump shades the PV but Harris hangs on to the rustbelt and wins the presidency. Really doubt it - I think she'll win both PV and EC comfortably - but if it does happen you'll be entitled to a chocolate hobnob.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    algarkirk said:

    Sandpit said:

    Roll on November 6th, when we can finally stop taking about the US presidential election.

    If it’s as close as many of the polls suggest, we’ll be talking about it up to January 6th.

    Hopefully it’s a clear win one way or the other.
    See

    Labour MPs push back against anti-pylon lobbying despite local opposition

    Letter by 61 Labour MPs supports ‘cheapest and most pragmatic’ plan for new electricity infrastructure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/03/labour-mps-push-back-against-anti-pylon-lobbying-despite-local-opposition

    Thank goodness.

    There’s arguments both ways. Pylons are not exactly beautiful, but then much of the countryside isn’t that beautiful either. If there was infinite money perhaps burying the lines would be best, but we don’t have infinite money.
    How they look is irrelevant.

    Now over these small hills, they have built the concrete
    That trails black wire
    Pylons, those pillars
    Bare like nude giant girls that have no secret.

    The valley with its gilt and evening look
    And the green chestnut
    Of customary root,
    Are mocked dry like the parched bed of a brook.
    Encase your legs in nylons,
    Bestride your hills with pylons
    O age without a soul;
    Away with gentle willows
    And all the elmy billows
    That through your valleys roll.

    Let’s say goodbye to hedges
    And roads with grassy edges
    And winding country lanes; [...].
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897
    @mikeysmith
    Pennsylvania senator John Fetterman giving a deliciously sweary interview on CNN. After dismissing Trump's early "election integrity" noises as "the same shit he tried in 2020", he says: "My version of being a man is I like rib eyes, I like Motörhead and I dont pick on trans kids. It doesn't make you a man to pick on trans kids, it just makes you an asshole."

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1853123867403080119
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897
    @harris_wins

    BREAKING: The New York Times Editorial Board just released this piece endorsing Kamala Harris.

    https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1853104828316262716
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,692

    kle4 said:

    Tres said:

    I told you Kemi Badenoch was utterly useless lacking any judgment.

    She has already offered Lord Houchen of High Leven, the Tees Valley mayor who did not back either candidate, the deputy leadership.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-makes-history-as-new-tory-leader-rzgjpzkn9

    You serious? That a great move from Kemi.
    Teesworks.

    He makes Bobby J look like a model of probity.
    Am I just naive? I refuse to believe that corruption is rampant across our body politics. I’ve been in positions at a local government level where it might have been worth bunging me something, never got offered anything or even hinted at.
    The police do not mess around with this kind of stuff. If there was dodgy stuff going on they wouldn’t be able to stop falling over themselves to chase it down. Careers are made on taking down dodgy politicians.
    I always think it’s worth remembering that a cabinet minister went to jail, yes, went to jail for getting his wife to take his three speeding points.
    An act in itself if we are being honest is trivial and could have been swept under the carpet with a telling off and not be so stupid.
    But no he was pursued and went to jail. It will be the same if anything comes out of Covid. Jail. Back to Covid, we had a pm and a chancellor. Two of the three highest offices of state of HMG who got fixed penalties for been present when someone else presented them some cake whilst they were at work. The chancellor even left the room a few minutes after it started, yet still got a fine.

    If something stinks the police either are on it, will be on it, or it didn’t really stink after all.
    christ, you're as green as grass
    Every local facebook group I have ever been a member on has a list of people claiming council planning decisions are the consequence of brown paper envelopes. They are utterly convinced that Bob Useless the chairman of the local planning committee is getting bungs from a national house builder.
    I have actually seen a brown paper envelope pass hands between two people, early one morning in one of the villages on the road to Cork.

    I haven't lined down here long enough to recognise the two people involved in the transaction, and it may have simply been two farmers transacting legitimate business, but it certainly looked a bit odd.
    A friend owed me £500 I'd lent her. She produced it from her cleavage. Onlookers wwere quizzically wondering why she was paying ME...
    Was this a storage situation or was the money somehow being generated? As that would be a rare talent.
    Some years ago, I was at a party in St Andrews, when I got a call.

    A lady, asked, given the strange and cryptic conversation, whether that was my drug dealer.

    I explained, no, that was my arms dealer.
    So what does that tell you about your demeanour? Do try to brush your lapels!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar

    Trump is big mad about the Selzer poll

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1853111961904463922

    "I shouldn't have left" -- Trump now says he shouldn't have left office on January 20, 2021

    Trump is really leaning into pushing baseless preemptive claims of election fraud today, which is how you know he's losing

    Trump is exuding big whiny baby loser energy this morning

    Wait:

    I thought Trump was campaigning in California and New Mexico because he knew he was winning?

    The candidates know nothing. And, fwiw, I suspect Trump knows even less than nothing, because underlings will try and keep bad news from him.
    It's the Downfall meme:

    - Sir, you're behind in Iowa. Ann Selzer has found that suburban women are turning out in large numbers to vote against you.
    - Did I not say I would protect women? Did I not say I would protect them whether they like it or not? What more could I have done?
    You're not being quite as irritating as usual today, William.
  • Called it.

    Verstappen to win.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    edited November 3
    Early voting in some battleground states does indicate change in gender split.

    Georgia:
    Votes already cast: 4,013k
    2020 total vote: 5,000k

    2024 Gender split so far: Women 56, Men 44

    Now the gender split will change with remaining votes. But it won't change that much with so many votes already cast. Surely women will end up comprising at the very least 53% and most likely 54% or 55%.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    North Carolina:
    Votes already cast: 4,440k
    2020 total vote: 5,524k

    2024 Gender split so far: Women 55, Men 44
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,708
    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Perun.

    "North Korean Troops in Russia - North Korean Shells, Troops & Russian Offensives"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vL5IHAEiY4

    South Korea will likely release hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to Ukraine, so probably a net loss to Russia.
    One would hope so. Thank goodness that we've got South Korea to keep the peace in Europe.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    edited November 3
    Rust belt states, ie PA, MI, WI, early voting much lower so analysis less applicable.

    NV is completely different - split so far is Women 44, Men 44 (Unknown 12).

    Arizona in the middle at Women 48, Men 43 (Unknown 9).
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,183

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar

    Trump is big mad about the Selzer poll

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1853111961904463922

    "I shouldn't have left" -- Trump now says he shouldn't have left office on January 20, 2021

    Trump is really leaning into pushing baseless preemptive claims of election fraud today, which is how you know he's losing

    Trump is exuding big whiny baby loser energy this morning

    Wait:

    I thought Trump was campaigning in California and New Mexico because he knew he was winning?

    The candidates know nothing. And, fwiw, I suspect Trump knows even less than nothing, because underlings will try and keep bad news from him.
    It's the Downfall meme:

    - Sir, you're behind in Iowa. Ann Selzer has found that suburban women are turning out in large numbers to vote against you.
    - Did I not say I would protect women? Did I not say I would protect them whether they like it or not? What more could I have done?
    Takes off specs with shaky hands.

    "Everybody with a brain leave the room."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,429
    Sweet potato Hitler.
  • novanova Posts: 690
    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Roll on November 6th, when we can finally stop taking about the US presidential election.

    If it’s as close as many of the polls suggest, we’ll be talking about it up to January 6th.

    Hopefully it’s a clear win one way or the other.
    See

    Labour MPs push back against anti-pylon lobbying despite local opposition

    Letter by 61 Labour MPs supports ‘cheapest and most pragmatic’ plan for new electricity infrastructure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/03/labour-mps-push-back-against-anti-pylon-lobbying-despite-local-opposition

    Thank goodness.

    There’s arguments both ways. Pylons are not exactly beautiful, but then much of the countryside isn’t that beautiful either. If there was infinite money perhaps burying the lines would be best, but we don’t have infinite money.
    How they look is irrelevant.
    No, it’s not. Lots of people believe in beauty and in the intrinsic beauty of the world around them. Maybe you don’t, but others do.
    Yes it is totally irrelevant.

    Rejecting infrastructure because you don’t like how it looks is not grounds for not having it. That’s one of the key reasons everything takes so long.

    HS2, don’t like a train line so we have to build it in a tunnel at massive expense. Should have just said bugger off and build it anyway.

    Phone masts - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need coverage.

    Houses - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need houses.

    Houses don't have to be hideous, unlike apparently pylons and phone masts. Some can be stunningly beautiful.

    But the moronic Angela Rayner has systematically stripped all provision for beauty in housing out of the proposed legislation and the dismal modernist architectural profession we have will ensure that any new houses are unbelievably ugly, thereby ensuring local opposition and delaying the houses we desperately need even longer.
    Wasn't the idea the exact opposite? That 'beauty' is impossible to define, so was an easy target for anyone wanting to oppose/delay new house building?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897
    @LadPolitics
    Here's how we bet on the 7 'swing' states:

    Arizona
    Reps - 1/3
    Dems - 9/4

    Georgia
    Reps - 1/2
    Dems - 13/8

    Pennsylvania
    Reps - Evens
    Dems - 4/5

    Wisconsin
    Reps - 11/8
    Dems - 4/7

    Michigan
    Reps - 7/4
    Dems - 4/9

    Nevada
    Reps - 4/6
    Dems - 6/5

    N. Carolina
    Reps - 4/7
    Dems - 11/8
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,851
    Scott_xP said:

    @harris_wins

    BREAKING: The New York Times Editorial Board just released this piece endorsing Kamala Harris.

    https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1853104828316262716

    Nice precis.
  • People would still oppose pylons because they look ugly. Change the law so this cannot even be taken into account
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    Total USA:
    Votes already cast: 74,573k
    2020 total vote: 158,429k

    2024 Gender split so far: Women 53, Men 44 (Unknown 3)

    This does feel like it might well support Selzer.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,429
    Trump is slurring a lot at his PA rally.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,864

    People would still oppose pylons because they look ugly. Change the law so this cannot even be taken into account

    It’s simple. If you want to control what is built, you have to own the land.
  • kle4 said:

    Tres said:

    I told you Kemi Badenoch was utterly useless lacking any judgment.

    She has already offered Lord Houchen of High Leven, the Tees Valley mayor who did not back either candidate, the deputy leadership.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-makes-history-as-new-tory-leader-rzgjpzkn9

    You serious? That a great move from Kemi.
    Teesworks.

    He makes Bobby J look like a model of probity.
    Am I just naive? I refuse to believe that corruption is rampant across our body politics. I’ve been in positions at a local government level where it might have been worth bunging me something, never got offered anything or even hinted at.
    The police do not mess around with this kind of stuff. If there was dodgy stuff going on they wouldn’t be able to stop falling over themselves to chase it down. Careers are made on taking down dodgy politicians.
    I always think it’s worth remembering that a cabinet minister went to jail, yes, went to jail for getting his wife to take his three speeding points.
    An act in itself if we are being honest is trivial and could have been swept under the carpet with a telling off and not be so stupid.
    But no he was pursued and went to jail. It will be the same if anything comes out of Covid. Jail. Back to Covid, we had a pm and a chancellor. Two of the three highest offices of state of HMG who got fixed penalties for been present when someone else presented them some cake whilst they were at work. The chancellor even left the room a few minutes after it started, yet still got a fine.

    If something stinks the police either are on it, will be on it, or it didn’t really stink after all.
    christ, you're as green as grass
    Every local facebook group I have ever been a member on has a list of people claiming council planning decisions are the consequence of brown paper envelopes. They are utterly convinced that Bob Useless the chairman of the local planning committee is getting bungs from a national house builder.
    I have actually seen a brown paper envelope pass hands between two people, early one morning in one of the villages on the road to Cork.

    I haven't lined down here long enough to recognise the two people involved in the transaction, and it may have simply been two farmers transacting legitimate business, but it certainly looked a bit odd.
    A friend owed me £500 I'd lent her. She produced it from her cleavage. Onlookers wwere quizzically wondering why she was paying ME...
    Was this a storage situation or was the money somehow being generated? As that would be a rare talent.
    Some years ago, I was at a party in St Andrews, when I got a call.

    A lady, asked, given the strange and cryptic conversation, whether that was my drug dealer.

    I explained, no, that was my arms dealer.
    I can think of one or two well-to-do ladies in Hepburn Gardens who would be cheeky enough to ask that question.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,416

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Perun.

    "North Korean Troops in Russia - North Korean Shells, Troops & Russian Offensives"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vL5IHAEiY4

    South Korea will likely release hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to Ukraine, so probably a net loss to Russia.
    One would hope so. Thank goodness that we've got South Korea to keep the peace in Europe.
    Definitely in South Korea’s interests to wipe out North Korean Troops, especially those in danger of becoming battle trained/hardened.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    Total USA:
    Votes already cast: 74,573k
    2020 total vote: 158,429k

    2024 Gender split so far: Women 53, Men 44 (Unknown 3)

    This does feel like it might well support Selzer.

    Women voters outnumbered men by 8% in 2020.

    If those numbers are correct, they outnumber them by 20% this year.

    I can't see how Trump wins if those gender splits hold.
    Thanks for that.

    GA and NC data looks absolutely key - in those states the amount of early vote in already is so high that the gender split cannot change that much.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,359
    boulay said:

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Perun.

    "North Korean Troops in Russia - North Korean Shells, Troops & Russian Offensives"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vL5IHAEiY4

    South Korea will likely release hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to Ukraine, so probably a net loss to Russia.
    One would hope so. Thank goodness that we've got South Korea to keep the peace in Europe.
    Definitely in South Korea’s interests to wipe out North Korean Troops, especially those in danger of becoming battle trained/hardened.
    Who would have predicted a proxy war between North and South Korea on European soil a few years ago?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    MikeL said:

    Total USA:
    Votes already cast: 74,573k
    2020 total vote: 158,429k

    2024 Gender split so far: Women 53, Men 44 (Unknown 3)

    This does feel like it might well support Selzer.

    Chorus of pundits after the event: "It's women's bodily autonomy, stupid!"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,429
    MikeL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    Total USA:
    Votes already cast: 74,573k
    2020 total vote: 158,429k

    2024 Gender split so far: Women 53, Men 44 (Unknown 3)

    This does feel like it might well support Selzer.

    Women voters outnumbered men by 8% in 2020.

    If those numbers are correct, they outnumber them by 20% this year.

    I can't see how Trump wins if those gender splits hold.
    Thanks for that.

    GA and NC data looks absolutely key - in those states the amount of early vote in already is so high that the gender split cannot change that much.
    He certainly is sounding like he knows he has lost this afternoon at PA.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,416
    Scott_xP said:

    @harris_wins

    BREAKING: The New York Times Editorial Board just released this piece endorsing Kamala Harris.

    https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1853104828316262716

    As much as I would prefer that outcome, I’m not sure the NY times endorsing Harris has the desired effect in large swathes of the US. Obviously more useful than the Guardian endorsing her but not quite Fox switching to her.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897

    Trump is slurring a lot at his PA rally.

    He needs this

    https://x.com/fanofwalt/status/1853116045374234696
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095
    Andy_JS said:

    "Half of all food at National Trust cafes will be vegan within 2 years in a move backed by two third of members. 57,498 voted in favour and 20,111 against"

    Sunday Times page 13

    I’m wondering whether this could actually be in breach of their charitable obligations from a fiduciary perspective.

    (My view, FWIW, is that this should be a commercial decision not a democratic or political one)

    Assuming that this is a sub-optimal commercial arrangement then surely the trustees are not acting in line with its obligations
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,429
    boulay said:

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Perun.

    "North Korean Troops in Russia - North Korean Shells, Troops & Russian Offensives"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vL5IHAEiY4

    South Korea will likely release hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to Ukraine, so probably a net loss to Russia.
    One would hope so. Thank goodness that we've got South Korea to keep the peace in Europe.
    Definitely in South Korea’s interests to wipe out North Korean Troops, especially those in danger of becoming battle trained/hardened.
    LOL. Battled hardened? Under Putin's Generals? They'll all be dead within a month.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897

    boulay said:

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Perun.

    "North Korean Troops in Russia - North Korean Shells, Troops & Russian Offensives"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vL5IHAEiY4

    South Korea will likely release hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to Ukraine, so probably a net loss to Russia.
    One would hope so. Thank goodness that we've got South Korea to keep the peace in Europe.
    Definitely in South Korea’s interests to wipe out North Korean Troops, especially those in danger of becoming battle trained/hardened.
    Who would have predicted a proxy war between North and South Korea on European soil a few years ago?
    @JayinKyiv

    A captured Russian says North Koreans accidently shot two of them.

    https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1852996428391428519
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,015

    Sweet potato Hitler.

    Either this is a new version of Godwin's law or the Internet has gone wrong.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,590
    Space News

    https://news.sky.com/story/british-aviation-pioneer-reaction-engines-crashes-into-administration-13245418

    Reaction Engines (the company attempting to promote the Skylon spaceplane design) has gone under.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,801

    Start investing in Nikki Haley, for post MAGA Republican nomination?

    When the orange gobshite goes down in flames on Tuesday night, the recriminations in Republican circles are going to be a thing of beauty. Two time losers are not forgiven.

    The Selzer Iowa poll is very similar to the Kansas poll last week, as observed by Kos. These local polls are not starting with received wisdom and working backwards. There’s the difference.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095
    To fair to Labour they probably do think it’s weird to have a black and female leader.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,692
    boulay said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @harris_wins

    BREAKING: The New York Times Editorial Board just released this piece endorsing Kamala Harris.

    https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1853104828316262716

    As much as I would prefer that outcome, I’m not sure the NY times endorsing Harris has the desired effect in large swathes of the US. Obviously more useful than the Guardian endorsing her but not quite Fox switching to her.
    The NYT as with all (once) print media is not what it was.

    So far as I can see all of the great press in the UK have destroyed themselves. There's a hint of life a the Spectator, but it's like needing light when your pubes are on fire.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,590

    boulay said:

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Perun.

    "North Korean Troops in Russia - North Korean Shells, Troops & Russian Offensives"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vL5IHAEiY4

    South Korea will likely release hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to Ukraine, so probably a net loss to Russia.
    One would hope so. Thank goodness that we've got South Korea to keep the peace in Europe.
    Definitely in South Korea’s interests to wipe out North Korean Troops, especially those in danger of becoming battle trained/hardened.
    Who would have predicted a proxy war between North and South Korea on European soil a few years ago?
    Given the abdication of Europe on defense seem innate…

    There was a hilarious opinion piece the the rest from a German politician - apparently at a defence related conference (multi lateral), the Poles weren’t following the line Germany wanted - what is the world coming to?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,519

    Called it.

    Verstappen to win.

    So it’s your fault ?
  • To fair to Labour they probably do think it’s weird to have a black and female leader.
    I mean of course, she’s the weird one, not the blue haired they/thems and their 137 genders.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, the weekend Rawnsley:

    The new Tory leader takes charge with a tepid endorsement from her party’s members, two-thirds of her parliamentary colleagues preferring someone else and prominent names declaring that they have no desire to serve in her shadow cabinet.

    In her acceptance speech, she described the task ahead as “tough”, which is an understatement. The July election was the worst result for the Conservative party, both in terms of vote share and seats won, since 1832. I am not among those who think this means the Tories can never recover. They have been pronounced dead and buried in the past only then to rise from the grave. But they are unlikely to start recovering until – and unless – they have an honest reckoning with themselves about their multiple failings in government.

    Surveys suggest that very few voters think the Conservatives lost the election because they were too left wing while the majority of those with an opinion put it down to their incompetence.

    One of the biggest challenges for the new leader of the opposition, and especially when the Tory parliamentary presence is so small, will be persuading voters to pay them any heed. The case made for Mrs Badenoch by her promoters is that she is “box office” with a gift for grabbing attention. What she has often failed to grasp is that there is such a thing as the wrong kind of attention. “Still in development” is the assessment of one reasonably sympathetic senior Tory.

    Conservatives have displayed next to no interest in atoning for all the things voters came to loathe about them. There has never been a comprehensive repudiation of Boris Johnson for debauching standards in public life. Nor has there been an expression of suitably abject contrition for Liz Truss’s calamitous experiment with the economy. Nor have senior Tories had the humility to acknowledge that they left a super-massive black hole in the Treasury’s books. When you have fouled up as badly and as repeatedly as the Conservatives did in government, the first step to redemption with the electorate is to own your blunders and express regret for them.

    Even if voters become persistently discontented with Sir Keir’s government, the Tories are delusional if they imagine that this means the public will simply collapse back into their embrace and tell the Conservatives all is forgiven. Not least because so far the Tories have been almost completely incapable of recognising how much forgiveness they will need before they are taken seriously again. If Kemi Badenoch wants to get a hearing from the British people, she is first going to have to say sorry. And she is going to have to say it a lot.

    I think this is why Badenoch was the better choice. Jenrick was continuity sleaze.

    Kemi's victory speech was clear that big mistakes were made by the Tories in office and that they need to have a long hard look at themselves.

    Her musings in the past that WFP should be scrapped (which she rowed back on when it became Labour policy) and on Maternity pay being too generous shows a real willingness to make deep cuts to welfare and pensions in order to move to a low tax country.

    I wonder if she has the courage to scrap the Triple Lock. She just might.
    Badenoch’s weakness is that she is very tribal, aggressively so. The most successful politicians have the ability to look over the party horizon and sympathise without and understand voters that make other choices. She shares Corbyns disdain for the opposition.
    Evangelical self righteousness makes big tent politics far harder.
    Why do you say Evangelical?

    Badenoch however is not a believer, describing herself as a “cultural Christian”; someone without a personal faith, but whose world view is broadly biblical. It may explain why she supports same-sex marriage, although as Equalities’ Minister, she also applauded Christian MSP Kate Forbes’ right to oppose it.
    https://www.womanalive.co.uk/opinion/who-is-kemi-badenoch-is-she-a-christian-and-would-she-be-a-good-leader-for-the-uk/18159.article
    Kemi is more agnostic Catholic than evangelical. Her husband Hamish is Roman Catholic.


    “My mother’s father. My paternal grandmother was a Muslim, though to be fair she did convert in later life. My family’s sort of Anglican and Methodist. My maternal grandfather was a Methodist reverend.”

    ConHome: “And where did he practice?”

    Badenoch: “In Nigeria. I was born here [in Wimbledon], but I call myself first generation, because I grew up in Nigeria and I chose to come back here. So I’m agnostic really, but I was brought up with cultural Christian values.”

    ConHome: “Have you had your children baptised?”

    Badenoch: “Yes, because I’m married to a Catholic [she and Hamish Badenoch, whose mother emigrated from Ireland, have two children].”

    ConHome: “They’re being brought up as Catholics, are they?”

    Badenoch: “Yes. So I’m an honorary or associate member of the Catholic Church. That’s what I call it.”
    https://conservativehome.com/2017/12/21/interview-kemi-badenoch-im-not-really-left-leaning-on-anything-i-always-lean-right-instinctively/
    I mean she doesn’t believe in God. So the rest is gravy. Let’s not go there again. First time we have had atheists leading both big parties.
    No, agnostics are not atheists and as she is married to a Roman Catholic and bringing up her children as Roman Catholic she is more religious than secular atheist. Even Starmer while an atheist, not even agnostic, is married to a Jewish lady and bringing up his children Jewish.

    Cleverly was an atheist too but was knocked out in the MPs round
    There's a difference between religion-as-culture and religion-as-belief. I realise England is the country that invented Anglicanism to give agnostics a nice place to sit, but even so belief is the dividing line
    Agnostics by definition neither don't believe in God or have belief in God, they are like Independent swing voters on religion and often culturally religious even if not believers.

    Atheists are anti religion as well as not believing in God, active religious believe in God and are culturally religious and worshippers too
    Agnostics generally don’t do religion, however. They might go to Xmas carols, but atheists do that too. They are functionally closer to atheists.
    No they aren't, most atheists never go to any religious service on principle
    You don't know jack.

    Its quite funny how you insist "atheists" do this or that without being one yourself based on your own suppositions and prejudices.

    For an atheist, religion is just fiction. I have no more principled an objection to going to a Christmas Carol service, or Nativity, than I would a principled objection going to a performance of Les Misérables or Wicked.

    I'll as happily go to a singalong of Oh Come All Ye Faithful as I will Defying Gravity.

    There's no principled reason why you need to believe fiction is real to enjoy it.

    Atheists up and down the country will enjoy Christmas Carols this year like every year. Because we're not miserable shits.
    Oh I do know jack, you are an atheist Labour voting, pensioner hater. The fact you might go to the odd school Nativity play or carol service doesn't mean you will be going to church, even at Christmas or Easter
    I'm not a pensioner
    hater, I just think pensioners should be treated the same as everyone else. Get benefits only if they actually need them, and pay the same tax rate as working people (including NI on all their earnings including pensions).

    As for the latter, why would I go to Church? I'll go if I'm invited, eg for a wedding, and have no more an objection to that than any other venue. I'll also go to see my kids perform in Brownies/Guides which is hosted by the Church and their Christmas services has religious elements to it.

    You claimed we object in principle to religious services and won't go to carols etc - that's bollocks. I'll go to a religious service, I'll just think of it as the same as any other fiction - a work of fiction not to be taken seriously.
    You should take it seriously out of respect for those who don’t believe. By that I mean no public guffawing during the service…
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Half of all food at National Trust cafes will be vegan within 2 years in a move backed by two third of members. 57,498 voted in favour and 20,111 against"

    Sunday Times page 13

    At least not 100% which I would not be surprised some of the woke NT wanted
    How long before they have to revisit that, when piles of vegan food goes to waste and punters can't get their shepherds pie and bacon sarnies...
    Yes, just ensure you eat meat when go to NT properties or cream filled scones and cakes and leave the vegan options to the vegans or don't eat there at all if none left
    God doesn't eat meat!
    Uh yes he does, the passover meal for starters was lamb

    Do you know he ate it? The bible only mentioned bread and wine


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,359

    Start investing in Nikki Haley, for post MAGA Republican nomination?

    When the orange gobshite goes down in flames on Tuesday night, the recriminations in Republican circles are going to be a thing of beauty. Two time losers are not forgiven.

    The Selzer Iowa poll is very similar to the Kansas poll last week, as observed by Kos. These local polls are not starting with received wisdom and working backwards. There’s the difference.
    The Kansas poll is interesting because Trump is still comfortably ahead by 10 points when you look at all voters, but the race narrows when you exclude people who say they are not planning to vote.

    https://www.fhsu.edu/docking/Kansas-Speaks/2024-kansas-speaks-report-final.10.28.24.v3-corrected-final-bullet-in-exec-sum-to-now-compare-2024-and-2023-results2.pdf
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,519

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar

    Trump is big mad about the Selzer poll

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1853111961904463922

    "I shouldn't have left" -- Trump now says he shouldn't have left office on January 20, 2021

    Trump is really leaning into pushing baseless preemptive claims of election fraud today, which is how you know he's losing

    Trump is exuding big whiny baby loser energy this morning

    Wait:

    I thought Trump was campaigning in California and New Mexico because he knew he was winning?

    The candidates know nothing. And, fwiw, I suspect Trump knows even less than nothing, because underlings will try and keep bad news from him.
    It's the Downfall meme:

    - Sir, you're behind in Iowa. Ann Selzer has found that suburban women are turning out in large numbers to vote against you.
    - Did I not say I would protect women? Did I not say I would protect them whether they like it or not? What more could I have done?
    Takes off specs with shaky hands.

    "Everybody with a brain leave the room."
    No one moves.
  • Nigelb said:

    Called it.

    Verstappen to win.

    So it’s your fault ?
    It is the fault of Norris.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 657
    kle4 said:

    Tres said:

    I told you Kemi Badenoch was utterly useless lacking any judgment.

    She has already offered Lord Houchen of High Leven, the Tees Valley mayor who did not back either candidate, the deputy leadership.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-makes-history-as-new-tory-leader-rzgjpzkn9

    You serious? That a great move from Kemi.
    Teesworks.

    He makes Bobby J look like a model of probity.
    Am I just naive? I refuse to believe that corruption is rampant across our body politics. I’ve been in positions at a local government level where it might have been worth bunging me something, never got offered anything or even hinted at.
    The police do not mess around with this kind of stuff. If there was dodgy stuff going on they wouldn’t be able to stop falling over themselves to chase it down. Careers are made on taking down dodgy politicians.
    I always think it’s worth remembering that a cabinet minister went to jail, yes, went to jail for getting his wife to take his three speeding points.
    An act in itself if we are being honest is trivial and could have been swept under the carpet with a telling off and not be so stupid.
    But no he was pursued and went to jail. It will be the same if anything comes out of Covid. Jail. Back to Covid, we had a pm and a chancellor. Two of the three highest offices of state of HMG who got fixed penalties for been present when someone else presented them some cake whilst they were at work. The chancellor even left the room a few minutes after it started, yet still got a fine.

    If something stinks the police either are on it, will be on it, or it didn’t really stink after all.
    christ, you're as green as grass
    Every local facebook group I have ever been a member on has a list of people claiming council planning decisions are the consequence of brown paper envelopes. They are utterly convinced that Bob Useless the chairman of the local planning committee is getting bungs from a national house builder.
    I have actually seen a brown paper envelope pass hands between two people, early one morning in one of the villages on the road to Cork.

    I haven't lined down here long enough to recognise the two people involved in the transaction, and it may have simply been two farmers transacting legitimate business, but it certainly looked a bit odd.
    A friend owed me £500 I'd lent her. She produced it from her cleavage. Onlookers wwere quizzically wondering why she was paying ME...
    Was this a storage situation or was the money somehow being generated? As that would be a rare talent.
    Reminds me of that probably apocryphal story about the woman who would go to any payment desk at high end department stores being staffed by a man and withdraw her credit card from her cleavage. Apparently she got away with thousands of pounds worth of goods before anyone noticed her credit card was declined.
  • darkage said:

    My gut feeling is that Harris is going to win. Circumstantially the narrative about female voters is extremely persuasive.

    Yes. I agree!
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Half of all food at National Trust cafes will be vegan within 2 years in a move backed by two third of members. 57,498 voted in favour and 20,111 against"

    Sunday Times page 13

    I’m wondering whether this could actually be in breach of their charitable obligations from a fiduciary perspective.

    (My view, FWIW, is that this should be a commercial decision not a democratic or political one)

    Assuming that this is a sub-optimal commercial arrangement then surely the trustees are not acting in line with its obligations
    If you see the whole context of the motions, linked to earlier on. It’s like a Green Party manifesto. Utterly grim stuff. Conservatives need to be aware when this is happening, the hollowing out of institutions by activists.
  • Scott_xP said:

    kinabalu said:

    MikeL said:

    Total USA:
    Votes already cast: 74,573k
    2020 total vote: 158,429k

    2024 Gender split so far: Women 53, Men 44 (Unknown 3)

    This does feel like it might well support Selzer.

    Chorus of pundits after the event: "It's women's bodily autonomy, stupid!"
    @Scaramucci

    Women are going to protect the country from Donald Trump, whether he likes it or not...
    Gracias a dios.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095

    If God didn't want us to eat animals, he would not have made them delicious.

    Problem with that argument is explained by Michael Flanders in the Reluctant Cannibal;

    If God hadn’t meant us to eat people, he wouldn’t have made them of meat
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,100

    Sandpit said:

    Roll on November 6th, when we can finally stop taking about the US presidential election.

    If it’s as close as many of the polls suggest, we’ll be talking about it up to January 6th.

    Hopefully it’s a clear win one way or the other.
    See

    Labour MPs push back against anti-pylon lobbying despite local opposition

    Letter by 61 Labour MPs supports ‘cheapest and most pragmatic’ plan for new electricity infrastructure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/03/labour-mps-push-back-against-anti-pylon-lobbying-despite-local-opposition

    Thank goodness.

    There’s arguments both ways. Pylons are not exactly beautiful, but then much of the countryside isn’t that beautiful either. If there was infinite money perhaps burying the lines would be best, but we don’t have infinite money.
    How they look is irrelevant.
    No, it’s not. Lots of people believe in beauty and in the intrinsic beauty of the world around them. Maybe you don’t, but others do.
    Yes it is totally irrelevant.

    Rejecting infrastructure because you don’t like how it looks is not grounds for not having it. That’s one of the key reasons everything takes so long.

    HS2, don’t like a train line so we have to build it in a tunnel at massive expense. Should have just said bugger off and build it anyway.

    Phone masts - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need coverage.

    Houses - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need houses.

    People that reject things for visual reasons are my least favourite kinds of people.
    The thing is you can build pylons that are more attractive with one design instead of another. Same with houses. There are ugly buildings and beautiful buildings.

    I think it makes a big difference to people to live in an environment that they can be proud of, that looks beautiful. This isn't a matter of building, or not building, but of building well, and this comes down to a matter of who is making the decisions.

    A beancounter in Shanghai looking to maximise the return on their investment in Britain will choose the cheapest option every time, regardless of how ugly it is. But if the people wanting to buy a house get to choose the design that is built then they might choose to pay a bit more for a more beautiful home.
  • Scott_xP said:

    boulay said:

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Perun.

    "North Korean Troops in Russia - North Korean Shells, Troops & Russian Offensives"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vL5IHAEiY4

    South Korea will likely release hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to Ukraine, so probably a net loss to Russia.
    One would hope so. Thank goodness that we've got South Korea to keep the peace in Europe.
    Definitely in South Korea’s interests to wipe out North Korean Troops, especially those in danger of becoming battle trained/hardened.
    Who would have predicted a proxy war between North and South Korea on European soil a few years ago?
    @JayinKyiv

    A captured Russian says North Koreans accidently shot two of them.

    https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1852996428391428519
    Confusion.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,519
    edited November 3

    boulay said:

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Perun.

    "North Korean Troops in Russia - North Korean Shells, Troops & Russian Offensives"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vL5IHAEiY4

    South Korea will likely release hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to Ukraine, so probably a net loss to Russia.
    One would hope so. Thank goodness that we've got South Korea to keep the peace in Europe.
    Definitely in South Korea’s interests to wipe out North Korean Troops, especially those in danger of becoming battle trained/hardened.
    Who would have predicted a proxy war between North and South Korea on European soil a few years ago?
    Well Leon has being predicting, absurdly, some kind of Ukrainian version of Panmunjom.
    Perhaps he’s not quite so wrong, after all ?
  • Trump is slurring a lot at his PA rally.

    He is confused.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,951
    A masterclass from Max Verstappen. I hope everyone realises brilliance when they see it.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,692

    Space News

    https://news.sky.com/story/british-aviation-pioneer-reaction-engines-crashes-into-administration-13245418

    Reaction Engines (the company attempting to promote the Skylon spaceplane design) has gone under.

    What happened to British engineering that made it consistently fail? (Or at least the aspirational type)

  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    It pains me to say it, but never bank on expanded voter turnout.

    Even the famous Corbyn youthquake in 2017 turned out to be nothing of the sort when the stats came in.

    Trump is also banking on new voters - in his case alienated nihilistic young men. Harris has solid poll leads amongst 'engaged' citizens, ie people who always vote.
    What has Trump done to engage nihilistic young men that he hadn't done in 2016 or 2020 though? Surely that vein is tapped out already.

    Whereas young (and elderly) women concerned about their freedom is a change from 2020.
    Quite a bit. Eg the podcast with Rogan, lots of targeted SM activity, the idea being to get these 'bro' types out and voting for male supremacy. No doubt it will have paid a dividend but at the price of putting off others. Much of Trump's campaign has been of an "oh yuck" nature. In any case, just looking at the low propensity side of things, I think as an army the bros will be overwhelmed by Harris's female equivalent.
    SM activity, online trolls etc have been a big thing for the QAnon/Trump crazies for the past 8 years.

    I'm not seeing many new votes there for Trump. He's doubling down on what he already had.
    I'm not too worried either.
    Does anyone have links to actual data on the structure of the Trump vote, previously? I’ve heard it said that he got people to vote would normally didn’t, can’t find hard data.
    Ask Nate Silver.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095
    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Half of all food at National Trust cafes will be vegan within 2 years in a move backed by two third of members. 57,498 voted in favour and 20,111 against"

    Sunday Times page 13

    At least not 100% which I would not be surprised some of the woke NT wanted
    How long before they have to revisit that, when piles of vegan food goes to waste and punters can't get their shepherds pie and bacon sarnies...
    Yes, just ensure you eat meat when go to NT properties or cream filled scones and cakes and leave the vegan options to the vegans or don't eat there at all if none left
    God doesn't eat meat!
    Uh yes he does, the passover meal for starters was lamb
    No, he doesn't. Show me a video of him eating meat, then!
    With AI you can't guarantee it's authentic footage.😂
    God was an earlier adopter of technology. He did write the commandments on a tablet so there would be video footage. I understand he movies in mysterious ways.
    He was also an early user of Apples so you can’t access because we’ve been kick out of the walled garden
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,519
    Omnium said:

    Space News

    https://news.sky.com/story/british-aviation-pioneer-reaction-engines-crashes-into-administration-13245418

    Reaction Engines (the company attempting to promote the Skylon spaceplane design) has gone under.

    What happened to British engineering that made it consistently fail? (Or at least the aspirational type)

    The US came up with a better idea.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,519
    Cope, or planning to go with the steal narrative ?

    CONFIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM
    https://x.com/lxeagle17/status/1852908753110310915
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,191
    America can do better

    Quality sign from someone’s lawn

    https://x.com/reginalddhunter/status/1853093242503414045?s=61
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,935

    Start investing in Nikki Haley, for post MAGA Republican nomination?

    When the orange gobshite goes down in flames on Tuesday night, the recriminations in Republican circles are going to be a thing of beauty. Two time losers are not forgiven.

    The Selzer Iowa poll is very similar to the Kansas poll last week, as observed by Kos. These local polls are not starting with received wisdom and working backwards. There’s the difference.
    The Kansas poll is interesting because Trump is still comfortably ahead by 10 points when you look at all voters, but the race narrows when you exclude people who say they are not planning to vote.

    https://www.fhsu.edu/docking/Kansas-Speaks/2024-kansas-speaks-report-final.10.28.24.v3-corrected-final-bullet-in-exec-sum-to-now-compare-2024-and-2023-results2.pdf
    Nate Silver is interesting on this: he says that historically, Democrats do better in Registered Voters than Likely Voters, but that this cycle it's flipped, and Democrats do better on Likely Voter measures.

    Which is rather the opposite of the Kansas poll, no?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,692

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Half of all food at National Trust cafes will be vegan within 2 years in a move backed by two third of members. 57,498 voted in favour and 20,111 against"

    Sunday Times page 13

    At least not 100% which I would not be surprised some of the woke NT wanted
    How long before they have to revisit that, when piles of vegan food goes to waste and punters can't get their shepherds pie and bacon sarnies...
    Yes, just ensure you eat meat when go to NT properties or cream filled scones and cakes and leave the vegan options to the vegans or don't eat there at all if none left
    God doesn't eat meat!
    Uh yes he does, the passover meal for starters was lamb
    No, he doesn't. Show me a video of him eating meat, then!
    With AI you can't guarantee it's authentic footage.😂
    God was an earlier adopter of technology. He did write the commandments on a tablet so there would be video footage. I understand he movies in mysterious ways.
    He was also an early user of Apples so you can’t access because we’ve been kick out of the walled garden
    The record suggests that he may have had to do a big system reboot though.
  • Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Space News

    https://news.sky.com/story/british-aviation-pioneer-reaction-engines-crashes-into-administration-13245418

    Reaction Engines (the company attempting to promote the Skylon spaceplane design) has gone under.

    What happened to British engineering that made it consistently fail? (Or at least the aspirational type)

    The US came up with a better idea.
    And a bloke on twitter implemented it better.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,130
    I noticed over £1.4 million came up today on the Trump lay side on bf, effectively creating a limit on how far he can drift in the betting.

    Comments?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,100
    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Space News

    https://news.sky.com/story/british-aviation-pioneer-reaction-engines-crashes-into-administration-13245418

    Reaction Engines (the company attempting to promote the Skylon spaceplane design) has gone under.

    What happened to British engineering that made it consistently fail? (Or at least the aspirational type)

    The US came up with a better idea.
    There were a lot of failed British engineering projects in the past. Brunel's atmospheric railway wasn't a success. Has the success rate gone down, or are there fewer projects in total, and so fewer successes?
  • Sandpit said:

    Roll on November 6th, when we can finally stop taking about the US presidential election.

    If it’s as close as many of the polls suggest, we’ll be talking about it up to January 6th.

    Hopefully it’s a clear win one way or the other.
    See

    Labour MPs push back against anti-pylon lobbying despite local opposition

    Letter by 61 Labour MPs supports ‘cheapest and most pragmatic’ plan for new electricity infrastructure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/03/labour-mps-push-back-against-anti-pylon-lobbying-despite-local-opposition

    Thank goodness.

    There’s arguments both ways. Pylons are not exactly beautiful, but then much of the countryside isn’t that beautiful either. If there was infinite money perhaps burying the lines would be best, but we don’t have infinite money.
    How they look is irrelevant.
    No, it’s not. Lots of people believe in beauty and in the intrinsic beauty of the world around them. Maybe you don’t, but others do.
    Yes it is totally irrelevant.

    Rejecting infrastructure because you don’t like how it looks is not grounds for not having it. That’s one of the key reasons everything takes so long.

    HS2, don’t like a train line so we have to build it in a tunnel at massive expense. Should have just said bugger off and build it anyway.

    Phone masts - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need coverage.

    Houses - don’t like how they look. Too bad, we need houses.

    People that reject things for visual reasons are my least favourite kinds of people.
    The thing is you can build pylons that are more attractive with one design instead of another. Same with houses. There are ugly buildings and beautiful buildings.

    I think it makes a big difference to people to live in an environment that they can be proud of, that looks beautiful. This isn't a matter of building, or not building, but of building well, and this comes down to a matter of who is making the decisions.

    A beancounter in Shanghai looking to maximise the return on their investment in Britain will choose the cheapest option every time, regardless of how ugly it is. But if the people wanting to buy a house get to choose the design that is built then they might choose to pay a bit more for a more beautiful home.
    Needs wholesale changes to how planning works, even minor changes need to go through the sausage machine. If you want an extra plug in the dining room Persimmon homes are going to want £250 for it, if you want a totally different house you need a different plot.
    Plenty of small builders do bespoke housing. But it is massively expensive compared to the box builders.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,459
    Nigelb said:

    Cope, or planning to go with the steal narrative ?

    CONFIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM
    https://x.com/lxeagle17/status/1852908753110310915

    So what the memo is saying is that, if the electorate is the same as 2020, believe Emerson. Really?

    One word. Abortion.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,130
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    I noticed over £1.4 million came up today on the Trump lay side on bf, effectively creating a limit on how far he can drift in the betting.

    Comments?

    It's not me.
    It's such a large amount of money that , I think, suddenly appeared this afternoon and makes me think that someone is trying to engineer that Trump remains favourite. Is this likely on a UK betting market?
  • TimT said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cope, or planning to go with the steal narrative ?

    CONFIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM
    https://x.com/lxeagle17/status/1852908753110310915

    So what the memo is saying is that, if the electorate is the same as 2020, believe Emerson. Really?

    One word. Abortion.
    It is an irony that abortion will lose him an election, an issue he couldn’t really give a toss about.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,459
    Pulpstar said:

    A masterclass from Max Verstappen. I hope everyone realises brilliance when they see it.

    Reluctantly concluded today that he deserves the Championship this year.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,362

    Andy_JS said:

    "Half of all food at National Trust cafes will be vegan within 2 years in a move backed by two third of members. 57,498 voted in favour and 20,111 against"

    Sunday Times page 13

    I’m wondering whether this could actually be in breach of their charitable obligations from a fiduciary perspective.

    (My view, FWIW, is that this should be a commercial decision not a democratic or political one)

    Assuming that this is a sub-optimal commercial arrangement then surely the trustees are not acting in line with its obligations
    The move may of course lead to an increase in the use of thermos flasks of strong coffee, and packets of home made beef sandwiches with just the right amount of mustard followed by a packet of jaffa cakes and some well warmed cheese. A tenth the price, twice the quality and, in the right place, weather and company, ambrosia, nectar and food for the soul.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,781
    RobD said:

    People would still oppose pylons because they look ugly. Change the law so this cannot even be taken into account

    It’s simple. If you want to control what is built, you have to own the land.
    In two months travelling around the US, I only came across one solar farm. It was on the hillside of the French Broad river, right across from the Lover’s Leap trail viewpoint, and had created an unsightly scar on the hillside, and as a north facing slope the solar panels had to be installed facing back upslope.

    As a visiting European, I was left thinking why they had built it there, at a spot that in any other country would be treated as a beauty spot, and sub optimal since the panels were all facing upslope.

    But of course, in planning-free US, there is no ‘they’. Presumably whoever owned that land along the hillside by the scenic French Broad river just decided to build a solar farm, and went ahead and did it, leaving hikers to the beauty spot across the valley sitting there lookout at it.

    Meanwhile I drove 6,608 miles across the US through landscapes often devoid of any interest or attractiveness, and never saw another solar farm.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,590
    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Space News

    https://news.sky.com/story/british-aviation-pioneer-reaction-engines-crashes-into-administration-13245418

    Reaction Engines (the company attempting to promote the Skylon spaceplane design) has gone under.

    What happened to British engineering that made it consistently fail? (Or at least the aspirational type)

    The US came up with a better idea.
    It used to be believed that staging was expensive, difficult and dangerous. And stacking stages took weeks. It used to be believed that reusable space launch was only possible with exotic structural technology.

    This have’s us designs like Skylon, which has been described as Mach 25 airship, in terms of structural design. Plus ultra exotic engines. The whole thing could only be tested by building it, at a cost of multiple billions.

    Meanwhile, someone figured out that a full face shut off, pintle injector LOX/Kero rocket engine (1960s basic tech) could be refined in performance* enough to support some pretty startling mass fractions. Which gave you enough performance in a 2 stage rocket, to do propulsive landings of the first stage…

    *worlds best performance in a number of areas.

    Essentially, no exotic technology was required. The innovation was an iterative design. Bit like the Rolls Royce Merlin - which went from 650hp and broke down after 1/2 an hour to 2000hp in 8 hour tests by the end of the war.

    The repeated problem in British innovation is the Unique British Solution, like High Test Peroxide in rockets, which is pushed until reality waves hello.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Half of all food at National Trust cafes will be vegan within 2 years in a move backed by two third of members. 57,498 voted in favour and 20,111 against"

    Sunday Times page 13

    I’m wondering whether this could actually be in breach of their charitable obligations from a fiduciary perspective.

    (My view, FWIW, is that this should be a commercial decision not a democratic or political one)

    Assuming that this is a sub-optimal commercial arrangement then surely the trustees are not acting in line with its obligations
    The move may of course lead to an increase in the use of thermos flasks of strong coffee, and packets of home made beef sandwiches with just the right amount of mustard followed by a packet of jaffa cakes and some well warmed cheese. A tenth the price, twice the quality and, in the right place, weather and company, ambrosia, nectar and food for the soul.
    In any case, a lot of the food there in any NT cafe *is* vegan already, or as good as. Bread, coffee, vegetables, and so on.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,781
    Nigelb said:

    Cope, or planning to go with the steal narrative ?

    CONFIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM
    https://x.com/lxeagle17/status/1852908753110310915

    Well, it’s not the first time one of the parties has tried to rubbish a Selzer poll. I suspect it is causing panic in GOP circles, because seasoned operatives will know that Selzer has an impressive reputation.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,362

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Half of all food at National Trust cafes will be vegan within 2 years in a move backed by two third of members. 57,498 voted in favour and 20,111 against"

    Sunday Times page 13

    At least not 100% which I would not be surprised some of the woke NT wanted
    How long before they have to revisit that, when piles of vegan food goes to waste and punters can't get their shepherds pie and bacon sarnies...
    Yes, just ensure you eat meat when go to NT properties or cream filled scones and cakes and leave the vegan options to the vegans or don't eat there at all if none left
    God doesn't eat meat!
    Uh yes he does, the passover meal for starters was lamb

    Do you know he ate it? The bible only mentioned bread and wine


    A pedant writes:
    1) Luke records that Jesus's family - with the young Jesus - went every year to Jerusalem for passover. At passover you eat lamb.
    2) John (but not the other gospels) records the adult Jesus going to Jerusalem for passover in years earlier than the famous final visit.

    Further note: Jesus's closests mates were fishermen, and the feeding of the 5000 included fish. Conclusions can be drawn from all this about whether Jesus was a vegan/veggie. He wasn't.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,429
    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    I noticed over £1.4 million came up today on the Trump lay side on bf, effectively creating a limit on how far he can drift in the betting.

    Comments?

    It's not me.
    It's such a large amount of money that , I think, suddenly appeared this afternoon and makes me think that someone is trying to engineer that Trump remains favourite. Is this likely on a UK betting market?
    Seems odd. Who in US cares about Betfair odds?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,935

    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    I noticed over £1.4 million came up today on the Trump lay side on bf, effectively creating a limit on how far he can drift in the betting.

    Comments?

    It's not me.
    It's such a large amount of money that , I think, suddenly appeared this afternoon and makes me think that someone is trying to engineer that Trump remains favourite. Is this likely on a UK betting market?
    Seems odd. Who in US cares about Betfair odds?
    People who don't want to be arbed on Polymarket?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,519

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Space News

    https://news.sky.com/story/british-aviation-pioneer-reaction-engines-crashes-into-administration-13245418

    Reaction Engines (the company attempting to promote the Skylon spaceplane design) has gone under.

    What happened to British engineering that made it consistently fail? (Or at least the aspirational type)

    The US came up with a better idea.
    And a bloke on twitter implemented it better.
    That wasn’t actually the better idea I was thinking of.
    SpaceX merely removed the biggest short/medium term potential market for them, by making conventional rockets a lot cheaper.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,359
    edited November 3
    rcs1000 said:

    Start investing in Nikki Haley, for post MAGA Republican nomination?

    When the orange gobshite goes down in flames on Tuesday night, the recriminations in Republican circles are going to be a thing of beauty. Two time losers are not forgiven.

    The Selzer Iowa poll is very similar to the Kansas poll last week, as observed by Kos. These local polls are not starting with received wisdom and working backwards. There’s the difference.
    The Kansas poll is interesting because Trump is still comfortably ahead by 10 points when you look at all voters, but the race narrows when you exclude people who say they are not planning to vote.

    https://www.fhsu.edu/docking/Kansas-Speaks/2024-kansas-speaks-report-final.10.28.24.v3-corrected-final-bullet-in-exec-sum-to-now-compare-2024-and-2023-results2.pdf
    Nate Silver is interesting on this: he says that historically, Democrats do better in Registered Voters than Likely Voters, but that this cycle it's flipped, and Democrats do better on Likely Voter measures.

    Which is rather the opposite of the Kansas poll, no?
    It's ambiguous because they don't have a breakdown showing all registered voters. They just have three variants:

    All Respondents: Trump 46.3%, Harris 36.5%
    All Respondents excluding those who cannot vote or don't plan to: Trump 49.9%, Harris 39.4%
    Registered voters excluding those who don't plan to vote: Trump 48.2%, Harris 43.2%
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,519
    edited November 3

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Space News

    https://news.sky.com/story/british-aviation-pioneer-reaction-engines-crashes-into-administration-13245418

    Reaction Engines (the company attempting to promote the Skylon spaceplane design) has gone under.

    What happened to British engineering that made it consistently fail? (Or at least the aspirational type)

    The US came up with a better idea.
    It used to be believed that staging was expensive, difficult and dangerous. And stacking stages took weeks. It used to be believed that reusable space launch was only possible with exotic structural technology.

    This have’s us designs like Skylon, which has been described as Mach 25 airship, in terms of structural design. Plus ultra exotic engines. The whole thing could only be tested by building it, at a cost of multiple billions.

    Meanwhile, someone figured out that a full face shut off, pintle injector LOX/Kero rocket engine (1960s basic tech) could be refined in performance* enough to support some pretty startling mass fractions. Which gave you enough performance in a 2 stage rocket, to do propulsive landings of the first stage…

    *worlds best performance in a number of areas.

    Essentially, no exotic technology was required. The innovation was an iterative design. Bit like the Rolls Royce Merlin - which went from 650hp and broke down after 1/2 an hour to 2000hp in 8 hour tests by the end of the war.

    The repeated problem in British innovation is the Unique British Solution, like High Test Peroxide in rockets, which is pushed until reality waves hello.
    That, too.
    I suppose that qualifies as a better idea - but I was actually thinking of the startup which came up with the idea of separately powering the jet compressor with an electric motor.
    Which means they can run a conventional jet up to very high Mach numbers, more easily turning into a scramjet at higher speeds.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,240
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    People would still oppose pylons because they look ugly. Change the law so this cannot even be taken into account

    It’s simple. If you want to control what is built, you have to own the land.
    In two months travelling around the US, I only came across one solar farm. It was on the hillside of the French Broad river, right across from the Lover’s Leap trail viewpoint, and had created an unsightly scar on the hillside, and as a north facing slope the solar panels had to be installed facing back upslope.

    As a visiting European, I was left thinking why they had built it there, at a spot that in any other country would be treated as a beauty spot, and sub optimal since the panels were all facing upslope.

    But of course, in planning-free US, there is no ‘they’. Presumably whoever owned that land along the hillside by the scenic French Broad river just decided to build a solar farm, and went ahead and did it, leaving hikers to the beauty spot across the valley sitting there lookout at it.

    Meanwhile I drove 6,608 miles across the US through landscapes often devoid of any interest or attractiveness, and never saw another solar farm.
    There’s an awful lot of the USA. You can easily miss these things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_the_United_States#Large-scale_PV_facilities
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,015

    darkage said:

    My gut feeling is that Harris is going to win. Circumstantially the narrative about female voters is extremely persuasive.

    Yes. I agree!
    I'd say in any normal year this would be a clear Republican win.

    Trump is a drag on the ticket except he channels a sentiment in his base that other Republicans can't touch, but at the expense of independents.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,362
    edited November 3
    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cope, or planning to go with the steal narrative ?

    CONFIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM
    https://x.com/lxeagle17/status/1852908753110310915

    So what the memo is saying is that, if the electorate is the same as 2020, believe Emerson. Really?

    One word. Abortion.
    It is an irony that abortion will lose him an election, an issue he couldn’t really give a toss about.
    Well yes:

    He gave the Christian Right what they wanted, in return for the Presidency in 2016.

    But it is likely costing him the election in 2024.

    And the Christian Right, for what it's worth, are likely to end up with abortion being less restrictive in most States than it was prior to the abolition of Roe v Wade, as voters come out in State after State and vote via ballot propositions for legal abortion with much later terms than lawmakers had ever envisaged.
    Karma of a sort. IMHO both Roe v Wade and massively curtailed abortion are/were wrong. It is obviously a matter for voters and legislators, not the constitution and courts. Where to balance the competing rights of mothers and the unborn does not admit of some single obvious answer. Neither science nor religion have any special insight into the matter, and those who think the answer is obvious or easy have not understood the question.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,590
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    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Space News

    https://news.sky.com/story/british-aviation-pioneer-reaction-engines-crashes-into-administration-13245418

    Reaction Engines (the company attempting to promote the Skylon spaceplane design) has gone under.

    What happened to British engineering that made it consistently fail? (Or at least the aspirational type)

    The US came up with a better idea.
    And a bloke on twitter implemented it better.
    That wasn’t actually the better idea I was thinking of.
    SpaceX merely removed the biggest short/medium term potential market for them, by making conventional rockets a lot cheaper.
    Full reuse of both stages of a large, two stage rocket is probably below $50m million (cost) for 100 tons to orbit. Depending on the design, might drop to $20 million.

    Skylon can’t compete with those numbers. Because of the high cost of development and the high cost of its exotic engines, it can’t fly that cheaply, per ton.

    SpaceX got to cheap launch first. Then used to cheap launch to vastly expand *demand* for cheap launch.

    Blue Origin are now chasing the same goal (New Glenn/Kuiper)
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