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No it isn't it's the kind of behaviour which causes Asian people laugh at white liberal Europeans. Currently it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck yet people are attempting tortured logic to suggest it's a goose.rcs1000 said:
Much better put than I managed.StillWaters said:
Isn’t this just correlation/causationturbotubbs said:
Along with an incorrect name too.TheScreamingEagles said:
The disinformation was primarily that he was an illegal/boat person.williamglenn said:
We were told that it was disinformation to link the crime to Islamist terrorism. Now it seems to be the truth.bondegezou said:
What specifically had been covered up?tlg86 said:
"Not that I want it to kick off"maxh said:
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.tlg86 said:
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).maxh said:
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.tlg86 said:
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)maaarsh said:
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.Sandpit said:
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?Razedabode said:
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.williamglenn said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/security-services-may-look-at-russia-and-farage-in-riots-probe_uk_66ba2494e4b0eabd2393a9a1carnforth said:
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.williamglenn said:
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
1. He has mental health problems.
2. He is interest in radical Islamic topics
3. He stabbed some kids
2&3 flow from 1. But that doesn’t mean 3 flows from 22 -
One of the sixth formers at my school (who ended up at Oxford) used to make amphetamines in the school chemistry lab.Flatlander said:
In my day the students who knew what they were doing were allowed to brew up all kinds of things in the back of the chemistry lab at school.Malmesbury said:
When I was a teenager, you could get everything mail order. I still remember the thrill of getting the 100% Sulphuric acid. In those days the use of polystyrene foam round a bottle in a parcel was a bit exotic. Glass bottle of course.....FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was doing my A-Level chemistry I was paired up with this Chinese kid. Very smart, but had only just arrived in the UK and his English wasn't very good and had shall we say a very lax approach to health and safety....using the fume cupboard was seen as unnecessary hassle, as was bothering to measure things...150ml...300ml, same thing...i just double everything else...Malmesbury said:
To someone who has done chemistry, the world is full of "Put this, this and this in a bucket and you get...."turbotubbs said:
One of my colleagues used to be in possession of mg scale amounts of a drug CC1065 that would kill hundreds in the right environment and be almost undetectable (binds to DNA causing multi-organ failure a few months after administration). The way he talks about what terrorists ought to do is fascinating/scary at the same time.Selebian said:
A chemistry degree would appear to fall under that!carnforth said:
True, but:williamglenn said:
Producing ricin is not just possessing pdfs.carnforth said:
Also:carnforth said:
"Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
"However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."
So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.
"He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000"."
Someone could be charged with that alone. They probably wouldn't be, but they could be - and that's not right.
The 100% Nitric was fun as well.
My brother (slightly older) was a spoil sport and drew the line at Hydrofluoric......
Mind you, the bit where we teaching ourselves how to silver glass using silver nitrate... and the solution turned black.....
The usual amusement was NI3 which was mostly used to eat shoe soles one crackle at a time but other more exciting compounds may have been attempted.
It was kind of brought to a halt when some fool didn't cool a reaction vessel enough and the main classroom had to be cleared rather quickly.
I don't think anyone deliberately made any fulminates though!
Most of those committing such criminal acts went on to Oxbridge, of course.
[That's me on a list now]
This was discovered just before Easter in his upper sixth, and the school was faced with a choice...
As he was the only kid with an Oxbridge offer, they did exactly what you'd expect, and completely swept it under the carpet.5 -
Winston Churchill was notoriously poor at school.ydoethur said:
To be fair, Amanda Spielman has multiple A-levels at Grade A and a degree from Cambridge, and she's still thick as pigshit.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
And Cummings has an A in A-level history and a degree from Oxford, and he's an idiot.
Grades don't tell you everything.
Indeed, David Miliband had pretty ropey A-levels too.
It's almost as if other skills than academic success matter in a leader.
To an extent Kemi's poor A Level maths may well be because of shifting schools from Nigeria and all she had known. It takes time to adapt from the strict and elite private school that she went to in Lagos to a British suburban community college with a very different culture.6 -
Moved back to the UKCharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
AIUI she was also staying with a family friend rather than with her parents, while Starmer had a severely ill parent.
Far more sensible to judge them on their graduate education and what they've done since than how stable a home life and well-coached they were at 18.2 -
Tyranny is facilitated when large parts of a population support the state doing bad things to "other people", and assume those same bad things won't be done to them.rcs1000 said:
Sure: in the 20th Century, about 200 million people were killed by their own government. Now, the biggest chunk of these were Communist countries (China, Cambodia), but the stats are pretty undeniable: in most countries it is the government you need to be afraid of. And the more powers you give it, the more afraid you need to be.Daveyboy1961 said:
What?rcs1000 said:
That's a fair point.williamglenn said:
My comment doesn't necessarily imply that the list should be bigger, but if someone who goes on to commit mass murder wasn't on the list, then questions need to be asked about whether we are monitoring the right people.rcs1000 said:
Errrr, because there are 70 million people in the UK.williamglenn said:
If that's the case, why not? We have over 40,000 people on terror watchlists. Why wasn't he one of them?bondegezou said:I've seen nothing to support the claim he was previously known to security services.
And there's a balance here: either you have so many people on the list that no one is being properly monitored* or you miss someone. Let's not forget either that at the height of the Troubles in Northern Ireland, the security services reckoned they knew the identities of less than a fifth of the members of the Provisional IRA.
* And do we really want hundreds of thousands of people on terror watch lists for - say - having visited an Islamist web site?
But don't forget that this stuff is hard.
And there's always a difficult balance to be had, because - beyond watching a few individuals - what can the State really do before someone does something that is actually illegal? We can't lock people up for their thoughts: much as I find it repugnant, people are allowed to believe that children are acceptable sexual partners, or in the primacy of Islam or that white people are racially superior to other people.
The essence of freedom is that we accept that some terrible things are going to happen, and that those things might have been stopped.
And we accept that, because when we give the government too much power, then more bad things happen.
Just remember: outside of disease and old age, the entity most likely to kill you is your own government. And it isn't even close.
Could you elucidate?2 -
OICrcs1000 said:
Sure: in the 20th Century, about 200 million people were killed by their own government. Now, the biggest chunk of these were Communist countries (China, Cambodia), but the stats are pretty undeniable: in most countries it is the government you need to be afraid of. And the more powers you give it, the more afraid you need to be.Daveyboy1961 said:
What?rcs1000 said:
That's a fair point.williamglenn said:
My comment doesn't necessarily imply that the list should be bigger, but if someone who goes on to commit mass murder wasn't on the list, then questions need to be asked about whether we are monitoring the right people.rcs1000 said:
Errrr, because there are 70 million people in the UK.williamglenn said:
If that's the case, why not? We have over 40,000 people on terror watchlists. Why wasn't he one of them?bondegezou said:I've seen nothing to support the claim he was previously known to security services.
And there's a balance here: either you have so many people on the list that no one is being properly monitored* or you miss someone. Let's not forget either that at the height of the Troubles in Northern Ireland, the security services reckoned they knew the identities of less than a fifth of the members of the Provisional IRA.
* And do we really want hundreds of thousands of people on terror watch lists for - say - having visited an Islamist web site?
But don't forget that this stuff is hard.
And there's always a difficult balance to be had, because - beyond watching a few individuals - what can the State really do before someone does something that is actually illegal? We can't lock people up for their thoughts: much as I find it repugnant, people are allowed to believe that children are acceptable sexual partners, or in the primacy of Islam or that white people are racially superior to other people.
The essence of freedom is that we accept that some terrible things are going to happen, and that those things might have been stopped.
And we accept that, because when we give the government too much power, then more bad things happen.
Just remember: outside of disease and old age, the entity most likely to kill you is your own government. And it isn't even close.
Could you elucidate?
Some countries are weighting the average a little though...
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Did he go on to kill dozens of rivals, establish a vast empire across the US South West, and buy a carwash business to launder the money?rcs1000 said:
One of the sixth formers at my school (who ended up at Oxford) used to make amphetamines in the school chemistry lab.Flatlander said:
In my day the students who knew what they were doing were allowed to brew up all kinds of things in the back of the chemistry lab at school.Malmesbury said:
When I was a teenager, you could get everything mail order. I still remember the thrill of getting the 100% Sulphuric acid. In those days the use of polystyrene foam round a bottle in a parcel was a bit exotic. Glass bottle of course.....FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was doing my A-Level chemistry I was paired up with this Chinese kid. Very smart, but had only just arrived in the UK and his English wasn't very good and had shall we say a very lax approach to health and safety....using the fume cupboard was seen as unnecessary hassle, as was bothering to measure things...150ml...300ml, same thing...i just double everything else...Malmesbury said:
To someone who has done chemistry, the world is full of "Put this, this and this in a bucket and you get...."turbotubbs said:
One of my colleagues used to be in possession of mg scale amounts of a drug CC1065 that would kill hundreds in the right environment and be almost undetectable (binds to DNA causing multi-organ failure a few months after administration). The way he talks about what terrorists ought to do is fascinating/scary at the same time.Selebian said:
A chemistry degree would appear to fall under that!carnforth said:
True, but:williamglenn said:
Producing ricin is not just possessing pdfs.carnforth said:
Also:carnforth said:
"Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
"However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."
So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.
"He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000"."
Someone could be charged with that alone. They probably wouldn't be, but they could be - and that's not right.
The 100% Nitric was fun as well.
My brother (slightly older) was a spoil sport and drew the line at Hydrofluoric......
Mind you, the bit where we teaching ourselves how to silver glass using silver nitrate... and the solution turned black.....
The usual amusement was NI3 which was mostly used to eat shoe soles one crackle at a time but other more exciting compounds may have been attempted.
It was kind of brought to a halt when some fool didn't cool a reaction vessel enough and the main classroom had to be cleared rather quickly.
I don't think anyone deliberately made any fulminates though!
Most of those committing such criminal acts went on to Oxbridge, of course.
[That's me on a list now]
This was discovered just before Easter in his upper sixth, and the school was faced with a choice...
As he was the only kid with an Oxbridge offer, they did exactly what you'd expect, and completely swept it under the carpet.5 -
The scandal I assume not the amphetamines.rcs1000 said:
One of the sixth formers at my school (who ended up at Oxford) used to make amphetamines in the school chemistry lab.Flatlander said:
In my day the students who knew what they were doing were allowed to brew up all kinds of things in the back of the chemistry lab at school.Malmesbury said:
When I was a teenager, you could get everything mail order. I still remember the thrill of getting the 100% Sulphuric acid. In those days the use of polystyrene foam round a bottle in a parcel was a bit exotic. Glass bottle of course.....FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was doing my A-Level chemistry I was paired up with this Chinese kid. Very smart, but had only just arrived in the UK and his English wasn't very good and had shall we say a very lax approach to health and safety....using the fume cupboard was seen as unnecessary hassle, as was bothering to measure things...150ml...300ml, same thing...i just double everything else...Malmesbury said:
To someone who has done chemistry, the world is full of "Put this, this and this in a bucket and you get...."turbotubbs said:
One of my colleagues used to be in possession of mg scale amounts of a drug CC1065 that would kill hundreds in the right environment and be almost undetectable (binds to DNA causing multi-organ failure a few months after administration). The way he talks about what terrorists ought to do is fascinating/scary at the same time.Selebian said:
A chemistry degree would appear to fall under that!carnforth said:
True, but:williamglenn said:
Producing ricin is not just possessing pdfs.carnforth said:
Also:carnforth said:
"Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
"However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."
So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.
"He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000"."
Someone could be charged with that alone. They probably wouldn't be, but they could be - and that's not right.
The 100% Nitric was fun as well.
My brother (slightly older) was a spoil sport and drew the line at Hydrofluoric......
Mind you, the bit where we teaching ourselves how to silver glass using silver nitrate... and the solution turned black.....
The usual amusement was NI3 which was mostly used to eat shoe soles one crackle at a time but other more exciting compounds may have been attempted.
It was kind of brought to a halt when some fool didn't cool a reaction vessel enough and the main classroom had to be cleared rather quickly.
I don't think anyone deliberately made any fulminates though!
Most of those committing such criminal acts went on to Oxbridge, of course.
[That's me on a list now]
This was discovered just before Easter in his upper sixth, and the school was faced with a choice...
As he was the only kid with an Oxbridge offer, they did exactly what you'd expect, and completely swept it under the carpet.4 -
Yes UK born, but believe she returned back to Nigeria as a baby still, certainly no schooling here. On the rest of what you say, absolutely agree.Dopermean said:
Moved back to the UKCharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
AIUI she was also staying with a family friend rather than with her parents, while Starmer had a severely ill parent.
Far more sensible to judge them on their graduate education and what they've done since than how stable a home life and well-coached they were at 18.0 -
Keeping an open mind doesn't mean you're saying it's a goose, just you don't yet know what it is for certain.MaxPB said:
No it isn't it's the kind of behaviour which causes Asian people laugh at white liberal Europeans. Currently it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck yet people are attempting tortured logic to suggest it's a goose.rcs1000 said:
Much better put than I managed.StillWaters said:
Isn’t this just correlation/causationturbotubbs said:
Along with an incorrect name too.TheScreamingEagles said:
The disinformation was primarily that he was an illegal/boat person.williamglenn said:
We were told that it was disinformation to link the crime to Islamist terrorism. Now it seems to be the truth.bondegezou said:
What specifically had been covered up?tlg86 said:
"Not that I want it to kick off"maxh said:
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.tlg86 said:
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).maxh said:
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.tlg86 said:
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)maaarsh said:
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.Sandpit said:
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?Razedabode said:
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.williamglenn said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/security-services-may-look-at-russia-and-farage-in-riots-probe_uk_66ba2494e4b0eabd2393a9a1carnforth said:
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.williamglenn said:
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
1. He has mental health problems.
2. He is interest in radical Islamic topics
3. He stabbed some kids
2&3 flow from 1. But that doesn’t mean 3 flows from 2
The problem is some people lack patience and have an undue haste to predetermine what it is, before the poor victims had even been buried let alone there being a proper investigation.1 -
So you're saying that just because (some) Asians aren't very good at risk calculus, we shouldn't be either?MaxPB said:
No it isn't it's the kind of behaviour which causes Asian people laugh at white liberal Europeans. Currently it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck yet people are attempting tortured logic to suggest it's a goose.rcs1000 said:
Much better put than I managed.StillWaters said:
Isn’t this just correlation/causationturbotubbs said:
Along with an incorrect name too.TheScreamingEagles said:
The disinformation was primarily that he was an illegal/boat person.williamglenn said:
We were told that it was disinformation to link the crime to Islamist terrorism. Now it seems to be the truth.bondegezou said:
What specifically had been covered up?tlg86 said:
"Not that I want it to kick off"maxh said:
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.tlg86 said:
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).maxh said:
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.tlg86 said:
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)maaarsh said:
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.Sandpit said:
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?Razedabode said:
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.williamglenn said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/security-services-may-look-at-russia-and-farage-in-riots-probe_uk_66ba2494e4b0eabd2393a9a1carnforth said:
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.williamglenn said:
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
1. He has mental health problems.
2. He is interest in radical Islamic topics
3. He stabbed some kids
2&3 flow from 1. But that doesn’t mean 3 flows from 2
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On A-Levels, I don't think there's much to be gained on judging people's intelligence based on their grades, true for Starmer and Kemi.5
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There need be no huge distinction between terrorism and mental health problems. It's not a binary choice.2
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No, it means lets get real here, the guy is a terrorist and the police dancing on the head of a pin for the sake of community relations is idioitic.rcs1000 said:
So you're saying that just because (some) Asians aren't very good at risk calculus, we shouldn't be either?MaxPB said:
No it isn't it's the kind of behaviour which causes Asian people laugh at white liberal Europeans. Currently it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck yet people are attempting tortured logic to suggest it's a goose.rcs1000 said:
Much better put than I managed.StillWaters said:
Isn’t this just correlation/causationturbotubbs said:
Along with an incorrect name too.TheScreamingEagles said:
The disinformation was primarily that he was an illegal/boat person.williamglenn said:
We were told that it was disinformation to link the crime to Islamist terrorism. Now it seems to be the truth.bondegezou said:
What specifically had been covered up?tlg86 said:
"Not that I want it to kick off"maxh said:
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.tlg86 said:
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).maxh said:
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.tlg86 said:
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)maaarsh said:
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.Sandpit said:
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?Razedabode said:
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.williamglenn said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/security-services-may-look-at-russia-and-farage-in-riots-probe_uk_66ba2494e4b0eabd2393a9a1carnforth said:
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.williamglenn said:
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
1. He has mental health problems.
2. He is interest in radical Islamic topics
3. He stabbed some kids
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….MaxPB said:On A-Levels, I don't think there's much to be gained on judging people's intelligence based on their grades, true for Starmer and Kemi.
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FrankBooth said:
The scandal I assume not the amphetamines.rcs1000 said:
One of the sixth formers at my school (who ended up at Oxford) used to make amphetamines in the school chemistry lab.Flatlander said:
In my day the students who knew what they were doing were allowed to brew up all kinds of things in the back of the chemistry lab at school.Malmesbury said:
When I was a teenager, you could get everything mail order. I still remember the thrill of getting the 100% Sulphuric acid. In those days the use of polystyrene foam round a bottle in a parcel was a bit exotic. Glass bottle of course.....FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was doing my A-Level chemistry I was paired up with this Chinese kid. Very smart, but had only just arrived in the UK and his English wasn't very good and had shall we say a very lax approach to health and safety....using the fume cupboard was seen as unnecessary hassle, as was bothering to measure things...150ml...300ml, same thing...i just double everything else...Malmesbury said:
To someone who has done chemistry, the world is full of "Put this, this and this in a bucket and you get...."turbotubbs said:
One of my colleagues used to be in possession of mg scale amounts of a drug CC1065 that would kill hundreds in the right environment and be almost undetectable (binds to DNA causing multi-organ failure a few months after administration). The way he talks about what terrorists ought to do is fascinating/scary at the same time.Selebian said:
A chemistry degree would appear to fall under that!carnforth said:
True, but:williamglenn said:
Producing ricin is not just possessing pdfs.carnforth said:
Also:carnforth said:
"Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
"However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."
So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.
"He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000"."
Someone could be charged with that alone. They probably wouldn't be, but they could be - and that's not right.
The 100% Nitric was fun as well.
My brother (slightly older) was a spoil sport and drew the line at Hydrofluoric......
Mind you, the bit where we teaching ourselves how to silver glass using silver nitrate... and the solution turned black.....
The usual amusement was NI3 which was mostly used to eat shoe soles one crackle at a time but other more exciting compounds may have been attempted.
It was kind of brought to a halt when some fool didn't cool a reaction vessel enough and the main classroom had to be cleared rather quickly.
I don't think anyone deliberately made any fulminates though!
Most of those committing such criminal acts went on to Oxbridge, of course.
[That's me on a list now]
This was discovered just before Easter in his upper sixth, and the school was faced with a choice...
As he was the only kid with an Oxbridge offer, they did exactly what you'd expect, and completely swept it under the carpet.
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Konstantin Kisin went to the Nazi Rally. This is his report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1IsPL3xWSk2 -
Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?0 -
The police have a long and illustrious history of putting two and two together, deciding something looks and quacks like a duck and then coming a cropper.rcs1000 said:
So you're saying that just because (some) Asians aren't very good at risk calculus, we shouldn't be either?MaxPB said:
No it isn't it's the kind of behaviour which causes Asian people laugh at white liberal Europeans. Currently it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck yet people are attempting tortured logic to suggest it's a goose.rcs1000 said:
Much better put than I managed.StillWaters said:
Isn’t this just correlation/causationturbotubbs said:
Along with an incorrect name too.TheScreamingEagles said:
The disinformation was primarily that he was an illegal/boat person.williamglenn said:
We were told that it was disinformation to link the crime to Islamist terrorism. Now it seems to be the truth.bondegezou said:
What specifically had been covered up?tlg86 said:
"Not that I want it to kick off"maxh said:
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.tlg86 said:
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).maxh said:
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.tlg86 said:
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)maaarsh said:
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.Sandpit said:
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?Razedabode said:
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.williamglenn said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/security-services-may-look-at-russia-and-farage-in-riots-probe_uk_66ba2494e4b0eabd2393a9a1carnforth said:
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.williamglenn said:
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
1. He has mental health problems.
2. He is interest in radical Islamic topics
3. He stabbed some kids
2&3 flow from 1. But that doesn’t mean 3 flows from 2
Hillsborough was of course a classic of the genre but Jean Charles de Menezes is a more recent victim of that mentality. There have also been cases here and abroad where attacks were treated as terrorism and then turned out not to be.2 -
And that, as I understand it, is why Americans are so keen on their right to bear arms.rcs1000 said:
Sure: in the 20th Century, about 200 million people were killed by their own government. Now, the biggest chunk of these were Communist countries (China, Cambodia), but the stats are pretty undeniable: in most countries it is the government you need to be afraid of. And the more powers you give it, the more afraid you need to be.Daveyboy1961 said:
What?rcs1000 said:
That's a fair point.williamglenn said:
My comment doesn't necessarily imply that the list should be bigger, but if someone who goes on to commit mass murder wasn't on the list, then questions need to be asked about whether we are monitoring the right people.rcs1000 said:
Errrr, because there are 70 million people in the UK.williamglenn said:
If that's the case, why not? We have over 40,000 people on terror watchlists. Why wasn't he one of them?bondegezou said:I've seen nothing to support the claim he was previously known to security services.
And there's a balance here: either you have so many people on the list that no one is being properly monitored* or you miss someone. Let's not forget either that at the height of the Troubles in Northern Ireland, the security services reckoned they knew the identities of less than a fifth of the members of the Provisional IRA.
* And do we really want hundreds of thousands of people on terror watch lists for - say - having visited an Islamist web site?
But don't forget that this stuff is hard.
And there's always a difficult balance to be had, because - beyond watching a few individuals - what can the State really do before someone does something that is actually illegal? We can't lock people up for their thoughts: much as I find it repugnant, people are allowed to believe that children are acceptable sexual partners, or in the primacy of Islam or that white people are racially superior to other people.
The essence of freedom is that we accept that some terrible things are going to happen, and that those things might have been stopped.
And we accept that, because when we give the government too much power, then more bad things happen.
Just remember: outside of disease and old age, the entity most likely to kill you is your own government. And it isn't even close.
Could you elucidate?
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"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
Could it be true that Prime Minister Keir Starmer, much of the political class and the state blamed protestors for “misinformation” while deliberately withholding information? There are so many questions that need answering."
Huge questions about Southport. How long were the police and CPS aware of this? Were they sitting on this information during the riots, protests and sentencing?"
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/18512884678477252772 -
There were those on PB who thought Scottish bin lorries were terrorist. About five minutes after the incident in question.BartholomewRoberts said:
Keeping an open mind doesn't mean you're saying it's a goose, just you don't yet know what it is for certain.MaxPB said:
No it isn't it's the kind of behaviour which causes Asian people laugh at white liberal Europeans. Currently it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck yet people are attempting tortured logic to suggest it's a goose.rcs1000 said:
Much better put than I managed.StillWaters said:
Isn’t this just correlation/causationturbotubbs said:
Along with an incorrect name too.TheScreamingEagles said:
The disinformation was primarily that he was an illegal/boat person.williamglenn said:
We were told that it was disinformation to link the crime to Islamist terrorism. Now it seems to be the truth.bondegezou said:
What specifically had been covered up?tlg86 said:
"Not that I want it to kick off"maxh said:
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.tlg86 said:
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).maxh said:
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.tlg86 said:
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)maaarsh said:
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.Sandpit said:
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?Razedabode said:
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.williamglenn said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/security-services-may-look-at-russia-and-farage-in-riots-probe_uk_66ba2494e4b0eabd2393a9a1carnforth said:
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.williamglenn said:
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
1. He has mental health problems.
2. He is interest in radical Islamic topics
3. He stabbed some kids
2&3 flow from 1. But that doesn’t mean 3 flows from 2
The problem is some people lack patience and have an undue haste to predetermine what it is, before the poor victims had even been buried let alone there being a proper investigation.1 -
Hoyle won’t be happy.Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?5 -
because it needs to be.Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?
The fact that the 18-20 rate is not increasing to £12.21 is interesting because all the rumours until now was that it would rise to be the same rate for everyone over 18...0 -
Neither will the hospitality industryRobD said:
Hoyle won’t be happy.Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?0 -
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1), but I could have done better. I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.8 -
Combined with NI rise that's a big chunk of the workforce 9% more expensive to employers. And probably swallowing up the entire salary rise budget whilst median wages stagnate and more skilled workers get increasingly little premium to show for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?1 -
And of course the opposite, and those people can be quite dangerous, as they still very much believe they are much smarter than everybody else because they smashed their A-Levels 30 years ago. I think Boris is a good example.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1). I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.0 -
“Prime Minister, why was Taylor Swift given a special police escort?”
Hmmm2 -
I would not go that far. It is the case that some kids mature at different ages. They may do badly at school but much better at University or indeed in life. Or the reverse. School qualifications seem to me to be focused mainly on diligence and having a decent memory. Brilliance is a nice to have but not an essential. At University in many courses the same remains the case but cleverness tends to be a little more obvious.MaxPB said:On A-Levels, I don't think there's much to be gained on judging people's intelligence based on their grades, true for Starmer and Kemi.
BBC on the back of the schooling that Starmer got seems pretty underwhelming but he got a first class honours degree at his University and went on to a distinguished career in the law. He may be an incompetent balloon as PM and he has a weird tendency to look like a deer in the headlights but I am confident that he is far from stupid. He strikes me as someone who wants a bit of time to think about things which makes some of his interview answers a bit wayward.1 -
Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.3
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What bollocks from Goodwin. Irrespective of whether the lad had terrorist sympathies, that did not give Farage the right to plageurise Andrew Tate's fake news nonsense for political gain.Andy_JS said:"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
Could it be true that Prime Minister Keir Starmer, much of the political class and the state blamed protestors for “misinformation” while deliberately withholding information? There are so many questions that need answering."
Huge questions about Southport. How long were the police and CPS aware of this? Were they sitting on this information during the riots, protests and sentencing?"
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1851288467847725277
Those morons who tried setting fire to Holiday Inns are not vindicated by this news,.
Whether BigG.finally has his Starmer gotcha is another question. Maybe he has.3 -
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A few years ago those complaining at an increase in minimum wage today were lauding lorry drivers naming their price after Brexit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Neither will the hospitality industryRobD said:
Hoyle won’t be happy.Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?1 -
Well I think we now know the answer don’t we. It’s hard this lying stuff. Because every time you lie, you have to end up making up another lie. Until eventually your trousers come cascading down your ankles for the whole world to see.DavidL said:
Because she is the 1.moonshine said:“Prime Minister, why was Taylor Swift given a special police escort?”
Hmmm
Southport and its aftermath was one of those few stories that get real cut through during a whole parliamentary term. I’ve got little problem after this news, predicting that there’s almost no chance that Starmer will be prime minister beyond the next election. And therefore there’s a good chance his tenure isn’t even that long, notwithstanding Labour constitutional issues.1 -
You can see some of the workings here- it's implementing the recommendations of external experts:Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-the-lpc-will-respond-to-our-updated-remit/9c80b49e-70a2-4872-af97-f69a83b1f385
It's gone up quite a bit becasue it's loosely tied to 2/3 of median wages, and they have also gone up quite a bit. Same reason that pensions are going up quite a bit, because that bit of the triple lock has been engaged for April 2025.
As for the timing, the day before the autumn statement seems normal. Jeremy Hunt did the same last year.
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I do not want a Starmer gotcha - he is doing fine if you on the other sideMexicanpete said:...
What bollocks from Goodwin. Irrespective of whether the lad had terrorist sympathies, that did not give Farage the right to plageurise Andrew Tate's fake news nonsense for political gain.Andy_JS said:"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
Could it be true that Prime Minister Keir Starmer, much of the political class and the state blamed protestors for “misinformation” while deliberately withholding information? There are so many questions that need answering."
Huge questions about Southport. How long were the police and CPS aware of this? Were they sitting on this information during the riots, protests and sentencing?"
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1851288467847725277
Those morons who tried setting fire to Holiday Inns are not vindicated by this news,.
Whether BigG.finally has his Starmer gotcha is another question. Maybe he has.0 -
Plenty of "UK businesses" employ people below the UK minimum wage. They just don't employ them in the UK.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.
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It's probably good for Boston Dynamics.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.
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I suspect the concern will come from the Bank of England with such huge above inflation rises meaning reducing interest rates becomes less likelyStuartinromford said:
You can see some of the workings here- it's implementing the recommendations of external experts:Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-the-lpc-will-respond-to-our-updated-remit/9c80b49e-70a2-4872-af97-f69a83b1f385
It's gone up quite a bit becasue it's loosely tied to 2/3 of median wages, and they have also gone up quite a bit. Same reason that pensions are going up quite a bit, because that bit of the triple lock has been engaged for April 2025.
As for the timing, the day before the autumn statement seems normal. Jeremy Hunt did the same last year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67484102
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Call me a cynic, but maybe they thought it might be a good time to get some budget news out rather than have Southport dominate bulletins….Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?
Purely from a news management perspective, it might be the first sensible thing they’ve done tactically…
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My own view on Boris is that he is highly intelligent, but has a lazy brain. If something interests him, he can focus well on it. Or the myriad of stuff that does not interest him, but is vital for the role of MoL or PM - then he either phones it in, or gets his advisers to sort out. When they are really his job.FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course the opposite, and those people can be quite dangerous, as they still very much believe they are much smarter than everybody else because they smashed their A-Levels 30 years ago. I think Boris is a good example.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1). I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.3 -
I do enjoy the argument in the US around Bezos' newspaper not endorsing a presidential candidate. Personally I agree with reasoning that it'd be better if papers didn't do that sort of thing, but the timing is so obvious, and his butter wouldn't melt in his mouth act about Trump meeting with his other company the day after being a coincidence is not persuasive. He should have just made the call 2-3 years ago - any blowback would have been over by now.0
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Thank gods most terrorists are incompetent?turbotubbs said:
One of my colleagues used to be in possession of mg scale amounts of a drug CC1065 that would kill hundreds in the right environment and be almost undetectable (binds to DNA causing multi-organ failure a few months after administration). The way he talks about what terrorists ought to do is fascinating/scary at the same time.Selebian said:
A chemistry degree would appear to fall under that!carnforth said:
True, but:williamglenn said:
Producing ricin is not just possessing pdfs.carnforth said:
Also:carnforth said:
"Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".FrancisUrquhart said:
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
Southport killer charged with terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
"However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."
So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.
"He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000"."
Someone could be charged with that alone. They probably wouldn't be, but they could be - and that's not right.0 -
Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.
Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.2 -
Many of the reports from COVID times, that officials found it very difficult to get him to understand what were quite simple things, such that they had to dumb everything down.JosiasJessop said:
My own view on Boris is that he is highly intelligent, but has a lazy brain. If something interests him, he can focus well on it. Or the myriad of stuff that does not interest him, but is vital for the role of MoL or PM - then he either phones it in, or gets his advisers to sort out. When they are really his job.FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course the opposite, and those people can be quite dangerous, as they still very much believe they are much smarter than everybody else because they smashed their A-Levels 30 years ago. I think Boris is a good example.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1). I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.0 -
I think I've taken a cold hard cost-benefit analysis approach to any work I've done my whole life. Unless it's something I genuinely love like politics or steam railways. Or, for that matter, military history.0
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GOODWINNEDAndy_JS said:"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
Could it be true that Prime Minister Keir Starmer, much of the political class and the state blamed protestors for “misinformation” while deliberately withholding information? There are so many questions that need answering."
Huge questions about Southport. How long were the police and CPS aware of this? Were they sitting on this information during the riots, protests and sentencing?"
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1851288467847725277
Again.1 -
Hmmmmm what? What do you think the issue is? Home Secretary and Mayor believe extra protection needed following Austrian terrorist issue. Police disagree. Home Secretary and Mayor get their way, possibly under pressure from Swift's team. Seems normal stuff.moonshine said:“Prime Minister, why was Taylor Swift given a special police escort?”
Hmmm
What new conspiracy are you trying to spread now?0 -
My GCSEs were poor (I never met anyone at Cambridge with worse grades than me), my A Levels very good (because I'd decided I wanted to go to Cambridge...), and my degree was OK (2:2), but that was a great result considering the amount of work I'd put in.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1), but I could have done better. I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.3 -
Frustrating though a lack of information might be (if for sake of argument it were being unreasonably withheld), it doesn't magically make deliberate misinformation ok under the guise of 'just asking questions'.Mexicanpete said:...
What bollocks from Goodwin. Irrespective of whether the lad had terrorist sympathies, that did not give Farage the right to plageurise Andrew Tate's fake news nonsense for political gain.Andy_JS said:"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
Could it be true that Prime Minister Keir Starmer, much of the political class and the state blamed protestors for “misinformation” while deliberately withholding information? There are so many questions that need answering."
Huge questions about Southport. How long were the police and CPS aware of this? Were they sitting on this information during the riots, protests and sentencing?"
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1851288467847725277
Those morons who tried setting fire to Holiday Inns are not vindicated by this news,.
Whether BigG.finally has his Starmer gotcha is another question. Maybe he has.1 -
FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
Said it before, I know, but I got an A in my English Lit. A level without properly reading any of the set books.
This destroyed whatever residual faith I may have had in teachers and teaching.
I'd estimate ~98% of everything I ever learned was picked up outside the so-called Education System.0 -
On the other hand, I got AAAB at A Level, back in the early Eighties and have had no further academic success, with a mid table Medical Degree and just the routine postgraduate exams. I still publish bits of research but not much of it really matters and I find it rarely quoted. Indeed my worst paper is the most heavily cited, mostly by people saying what bollocks it is.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1), but I could have done better. I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.
It's been a good life, and left me enough energy for me to be a dilitante in many areas.7 -
The question is what do these agitators want? What would they have liked to happen? Because I doubt that anything reasonable the police could have said or done would have sated their appetite.Mexicanpete said:...
What bollocks from Goodwin. Irrespective of whether the lad had terrorist sympathies, that did not give Farage the right to plageurise Andrew Tate's fake news nonsense for political gain.Andy_JS said:"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
Could it be true that Prime Minister Keir Starmer, much of the political class and the state blamed protestors for “misinformation” while deliberately withholding information? There are so many questions that need answering."
Huge questions about Southport. How long were the police and CPS aware of this? Were they sitting on this information during the riots, protests and sentencing?"
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1851288467847725277
Those morons who tried setting fire to Holiday Inns are not vindicated by this news,.
Whether BigG.finally has his Starmer gotcha is another question. Maybe he has.
Let’s been honest, given their and others’ messages during the riots. They would have liked the Police to name the murderer as a terrorist, to clearly state his race, to go easy on the rioters and those inciting violence online - perhaps just shrug it off as people blowing off steam. But that wouldn’t be enough. Nothing short of some sort of mass deportation would be enough, because what they want is - to echo some rhetoric that’s made its way on to this site in the last 24 hours - “not to see too many black or brown faces”. Yes, a poster actually wrote that last night, on here.
That’s the game Goodwin is playing. It’s also the pool Jenrick is dipping his toes into, whether out of ideology or cynicism. PB recently suggests to me that there’s a market for it even amongst people with, to channel another of this evening’s topics, decent A Levels.
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Good news on the National Minimum Wage increase. Well done Rachel.0
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I was fairly ill for periods during my GCSE's (including an emergency operation), and I did quite well regardless. But I really, really mucked up my A-levels. In part because I still had a few health problems, but mainly because I had worn myself out mentally in my GCSEs. Then I left my degree early.
You know what? I've done okay for myself despite all that. The poor A level results and not finishing my degree may have diverted my life somewhat, but I've had a good few decades since. Qualifications are important, but not as important as being a hard worker. Qualis can only get you in the door.0 -
The BoE have long been far softer than they should be. I think I remember a somewhat harder stance, perhaps much harder, in the 80s, but I'm not sure.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I suspect the concern will come from the Bank of England with such huge above inflation rises meaning reducing interest rates becomes less likelyStuartinromford said:
You can see some of the workings here- it's implementing the recommendations of external experts:Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-the-lpc-will-respond-to-our-updated-remit/9c80b49e-70a2-4872-af97-f69a83b1f385
It's gone up quite a bit becasue it's loosely tied to 2/3 of median wages, and they have also gone up quite a bit. Same reason that pensions are going up quite a bit, because that bit of the triple lock has been engaged for April 2025.
As for the timing, the day before the autumn statement seems normal. Jeremy Hunt did the same last year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67484102
Anyway they'll wave through most things these days. The BoE and everybody else that pays attention has long worked out that the whole sandcastle is what it is. Sandcastle isn't the right metaphor though - it's more bonfire-dwelling bamboo fort.0 -
I think I peaked academically at GCSE and then slowly realised I didn't enjoy it all and my time was better spent drinking and shagging. I honestly have no idea how I've got this far.rcs1000 said:
My GCSEs were poor (I never met anyone at Cambridge with worse grades than me), my A Levels very good (because I'd decided I wanted to go to Cambridge...), and my degree was OK (2:2), but that was a great result considering the amount of work I'd put in.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1), but I could have done better. I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.0 -
Raw talent.MaxPB said:
I think I peaked academically at GCSE and then slowly realised I didn't enjoy it all and my time was better spent drinking and shagging. I honestly have no idea how I've got this far.rcs1000 said:
My GCSEs were poor (I never met anyone at Cambridge with worse grades than me), my A Levels very good (because I'd decided I wanted to go to Cambridge...), and my degree was OK (2:2), but that was a great result considering the amount of work I'd put in.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1), but I could have done better. I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.0 -
Good.RobD said:
Hoyle won’t be happy.Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?
Maybe we'd all like to be back in a world where ministers didn't release these things before speaking to the House, but those times aren't coming back and everyone knows it, so performative outrage by Speakers, however sincerely felt in defence of the House, is now just annoying and looks pathetic.
This isn't one of those cases where fighting the trend will stop it, so it's time to move on.0 -
Lol. Got to love the cold hard honesty of this!Foxy said:
I still publish bits of research but not much of it really matters and I find it rarely quoted. Indeed my worst paper is the most heavily cited, mostly by people saying what bollocks it is.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1), but I could have done better. I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.
Chapeau!1 -
Humble brag.....MaxPB said:
I think I peaked academically at GCSE and then slowly realised I didn't enjoy it all and my time was better spent drinking and shagging. I honestly have no idea how I've got this far.rcs1000 said:
My GCSEs were poor (I never met anyone at Cambridge with worse grades than me), my A Levels very good (because I'd decided I wanted to go to Cambridge...), and my degree was OK (2:2), but that was a great result considering the amount of work I'd put in.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1), but I could have done better. I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.0 -
I expect we'll be hearing a lot of this from you in the next 24 hours.Anabobazina said:Good news on the National Minimum Wage increase. Well done Rachel.
Maybe you could send her flowers?1 -
Whoa is it freshers' week?
I don't have any A levels.1 -
Funny how all those huge inflation-busting triple lock pension increases were A-OK.Omnium said:
The BoE have long been far softer than they should be. I think I remember a somewhat harder stance, perhaps much harder, in the 80s, but I'm not sure.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I suspect the concern will come from the Bank of England with such huge above inflation rises meaning reducing interest rates becomes less likelyStuartinromford said:
You can see some of the workings here- it's implementing the recommendations of external experts:Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-the-lpc-will-respond-to-our-updated-remit/9c80b49e-70a2-4872-af97-f69a83b1f385
It's gone up quite a bit becasue it's loosely tied to 2/3 of median wages, and they have also gone up quite a bit. Same reason that pensions are going up quite a bit, because that bit of the triple lock has been engaged for April 2025.
As for the timing, the day before the autumn statement seems normal. Jeremy Hunt did the same last year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67484102
Anyway they'll wave through most things these days. The BoE and everybody else that pays attention has long worked out that the whole sandcastle is what it is. Sandcastle isn't the right metaphor though - it's more bonfire-dwelling bamboo fort.0 -
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A great final paragraph.TimS said:
The question is what do these agitators want? What would they have liked to happen? Because I doubt that anything reasonable the police could have said or done would have sated their appetite.Mexicanpete said:...
What bollocks from Goodwin. Irrespective of whether the lad had terrorist sympathies, that did not give Farage the right to plageurise Andrew Tate's fake news nonsense for political gain.Andy_JS said:"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
Could it be true that Prime Minister Keir Starmer, much of the political class and the state blamed protestors for “misinformation” while deliberately withholding information? There are so many questions that need answering."
Huge questions about Southport. How long were the police and CPS aware of this? Were they sitting on this information during the riots, protests and sentencing?"
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1851288467847725277
Those morons who tried setting fire to Holiday Inns are not vindicated by this news,.
Whether BigG.finally has his Starmer gotcha is another question. Maybe he has.
Let’s been honest, given their and others’ messages during the riots. They would have liked the Police to name the murderer as a terrorist, to clearly state his race, to go easy on the rioters and those inciting violence online - perhaps just shrug it off as people blowing off steam. But that wouldn’t be enough. Nothing short of some sort of mass deportation would be enough, because what they want is - to echo some rhetoric that’s made its way on to this site in the last 24 hours - “not to see too many black or brown faces”. Yes, a poster actually wrote that last night, on here.
That’s the game Goodwin is playing. It’s also the pool Jenrick is dipping his toes into, whether out of ideology or cynicism. PB recently suggests to me that there’s a market for it even amongst people with, to channel another of this evening’s topics, decent A Levels.0 -
I think it's easier to get an A in English Lit if you don't read the set books, because then you've memorized the correct criticism without having it polluted by any actual knowledge of the text.KnightOut said:FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
Said it before, I know, but I got an A in my English Lit. A level without properly reading any of the set books.
This destroyed whatever residual faith I may have had in teachers and teaching.
I'd estimate ~98% of everything I ever learned was picked up outside the so-called Education System.3 -
The minute they develop a Battle Train with a battering ram and Big Gunz, you are off...Casino_Royale said:I think I've taken a cold hard cost-benefit analysis approach to any work I've done my whole life. Unless it's something I genuinely love like politics or steam railways. Or, for that matter, military history.
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I'd say luck is probably closer to the truth. Also self teaching C++ and C# was probably the best thing I did at university, it meant I got a 2:2 because I didn't pay any attention to my course but after my degree it opened up a world jobs I'd never even imagined and being self taught definitely put me a step above the grads because I'd had to figure it all out myself rather than be spoonfed which meant I did well in the problem solving bits of interview processes.rcs1000 said:
Raw talent.MaxPB said:
I think I peaked academically at GCSE and then slowly realised I didn't enjoy it all and my time was better spent drinking and shagging. I honestly have no idea how I've got this far.rcs1000 said:
My GCSEs were poor (I never met anyone at Cambridge with worse grades than me), my A Levels very good (because I'd decided I wanted to go to Cambridge...), and my degree was OK (2:2), but that was a great result considering the amount of work I'd put in.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1), but I could have done better. I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.3 -
Stop fondling the students Professor OLB!OnlyLivingBoy said:Whoa is it freshers' week?
I don't have any A levels.0 -
Are we sure Taylor Swift was threatened by a terrorist in Austria or someone with mental health issues? I guess our gov would know without doubt I suppose.kjh said:
Hmmmmm what? What do you think the issue is? Home Secretary and Mayor believe extra protection needed following Austrian terrorist issue. Police disagree. Home Secretary and Mayor get their way, possibly under pressure from Swift's team. Seems normal stuff.moonshine said:“Prime Minister, why was Taylor Swift given a special police escort?”
Hmmm
What new conspiracy are you trying to spread now?1 -
A monopoly on the use of violence is one of the key powers of most (stable) states, I should think.rcs1000 said:
Sure: in the 20th Century, about 200 million people were killed by their own government. Now, the biggest chunk of these were Communist countries (China, Cambodia), but the stats are pretty undeniable: in most countries it is the government you need to be afraid of. And the more powers you give it, the more afraid you need to be.Daveyboy1961 said:
What?rcs1000 said:
That's a fair point.williamglenn said:
My comment doesn't necessarily imply that the list should be bigger, but if someone who goes on to commit mass murder wasn't on the list, then questions need to be asked about whether we are monitoring the right people.rcs1000 said:
Errrr, because there are 70 million people in the UK.williamglenn said:
If that's the case, why not? We have over 40,000 people on terror watchlists. Why wasn't he one of them?bondegezou said:I've seen nothing to support the claim he was previously known to security services.
And there's a balance here: either you have so many people on the list that no one is being properly monitored* or you miss someone. Let's not forget either that at the height of the Troubles in Northern Ireland, the security services reckoned they knew the identities of less than a fifth of the members of the Provisional IRA.
* And do we really want hundreds of thousands of people on terror watch lists for - say - having visited an Islamist web site?
But don't forget that this stuff is hard.
And there's always a difficult balance to be had, because - beyond watching a few individuals - what can the State really do before someone does something that is actually illegal? We can't lock people up for their thoughts: much as I find it repugnant, people are allowed to believe that children are acceptable sexual partners, or in the primacy of Islam or that white people are racially superior to other people.
The essence of freedom is that we accept that some terrible things are going to happen, and that those things might have been stopped.
And we accept that, because when we give the government too much power, then more bad things happen.
Just remember: outside of disease and old age, the entity most likely to kill you is your own government. And it isn't even close.
Could you elucidate?
And given what happens when governments don't have such a monopoly it seems less that people have a problem with the monopoly, just an argument about it's extent.
Like that absolutely moronic expression about the most terrifying words about being from the government and being there to help (moronic when treated literally at least).0 -
TRAFALGAR GIVES TRUMP 3 POINT LEAD IN NORTH CAROLINA.
I know that's of no importance whatsoever, but I just wanted to mention it.3 -
A couple both working maximum (48) hours in FT employment on minimum wage (12.21) once the rise has taken effect will earn (gross) £61K. Which is great but also has interesting effects and pressures on the employment market. I think.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.
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Do we know what grades he got?FrancisUrquhart said:
Many of the reports from COVID times, that officials found it very difficult to get him to understand what were quite simple things, such that they had to dumb everything down.JosiasJessop said:
My own view on Boris is that he is highly intelligent, but has a lazy brain. If something interests him, he can focus well on it. Or the myriad of stuff that does not interest him, but is vital for the role of MoL or PM - then he either phones it in, or gets his advisers to sort out. When they are really his job.FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course the opposite, and those people can be quite dangerous, as they still very much believe they are much smarter than everybody else because they smashed their A-Levels 30 years ago. I think Boris is a good example.Sean_F said:
People can improve.CharlieShark said:
She was 16 when she moved to the UK. Getting three A levels shortly after is probably quite an achievement considering.maaarsh said:
The world of work is full of successful but clearly not particularly bright people - good luck to them. I'm merely suggesting for Prime Minister we should aim high.FrankBooth said:
Not everyone excels in their A Levels. A pretty daft way to judge someone with decades of work experience.maaarsh said:
She took her A levels in 1997 not 1970 - if you can only get a D in A level maths I don't want to rely on anything you've engineered.DecrepiterJohnL said:
In the old days, top grades were harder to get and not many people cared anyway.maaarsh said:After yesterday's tweets about 'engineer' Kemi's sub-par academic achievements (D in A Level maths), I've just spotted Keir only got BBC in his A levels.
Why are we ruled by idiots, and how was this not spotted when muppets were going on about his razor-sharp intellect - the clues of his inability to think on his feet were there all along.
Even when Keir was doing it 10% got As - out of the whole country we couldn't be bothered to pick someone in the top decile mentally - admittedly America has 2 similar choices, but it doesn't excuse us.
At the stage Kemi did her A-levels you needed to be Intelligent or consciencious to get good grades - not a good sign if she couldn't tick either box.
My O’Levels were mediocre, due to my laziness. My A Levels were decent, but not exceptional for a UCS pupil (apart from history, where I scored very well). My degree was good (a borderline 2:1). I passed my Solicitors’ Exams, in one go, but barely. But, I got a Distinction for my Masters, because I enjoyed the subject (Military History), and I’d matured sufficiently to put in the hard work.
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Apparently Starmer is rewriting the ministerial code and the government was challenged today in the house to make it legally bindingkle4 said:
Good.RobD said:
Hoyle won’t be happy.Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?
Maybe we'd all like to be back in a world where ministers didn't release these things before speaking to the House, but those times aren't coming back and everyone knows it, so performative outrage by Speakers, however sincerely felt in defence of the House, is now just annoying and looks pathetic.
This isn't one of those cases where fighting the trend will stop it, so it's time to move on.
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Higher School Certificate?OnlyLivingBoy said:Whoa is it freshers' week?
I don't have any A levels.0 -
Not sure they are - they all contribute to inflationTimS said:
Funny how all those huge inflation-busting triple lock pension increases were A-OK.Omnium said:
The BoE have long been far softer than they should be. I think I remember a somewhat harder stance, perhaps much harder, in the 80s, but I'm not sure.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I suspect the concern will come from the Bank of England with such huge above inflation rises meaning reducing interest rates becomes less likelyStuartinromford said:
You can see some of the workings here- it's implementing the recommendations of external experts:Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-the-lpc-will-respond-to-our-updated-remit/9c80b49e-70a2-4872-af97-f69a83b1f385
It's gone up quite a bit becasue it's loosely tied to 2/3 of median wages, and they have also gone up quite a bit. Same reason that pensions are going up quite a bit, because that bit of the triple lock has been engaged for April 2025.
As for the timing, the day before the autumn statement seems normal. Jeremy Hunt did the same last year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67484102
Anyway they'll wave through most things these days. The BoE and everybody else that pays attention has long worked out that the whole sandcastle is what it is. Sandcastle isn't the right metaphor though - it's more bonfire-dwelling bamboo fort.0 -
I already have. Haven’t you?Casino_Royale said:
I expect we'll be hearing a lot of this from you in the next 24 hours.Anabobazina said:Good news on the National Minimum Wage increase. Well done Rachel.
Maybe you could send her flowers?0 -
I just hope everyone's ready for the £9 pint.3
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Trump's chance of winning electoral college:
- 538: 53%
- Nate Silver: 54%
- Betfair: 65%
So the models project a coin toss with a slight Trump bias, while the betting market make Trump almost twice as likely to win as Harris.
It is a very significant divergence.2 -
Well that's just dumb - long overabused the rule might be, the flexibility on how to do things is part and parcel of how our institutions function. You see it all the time when people try to write new rulebooks, being way too proscriptive and trying to cover every single eventuality, try to procedure everything into oblivion.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently Starmer is rewriting the ministerial code and the government was challenged today in the house to make it legally bindingkle4 said:
Good.RobD said:
Hoyle won’t be happy.Big_G_NorthWales said:Reeves announces minimum wage to rise to £12.21 and 18 - 20 year olds to £10 per hour
Huge above inflation rises
Also why is this announced now ?
Maybe we'd all like to be back in a world where ministers didn't release these things before speaking to the House, but those times aren't coming back and everyone knows it, so performative outrage by Speakers, however sincerely felt in defence of the House, is now just annoying and looks pathetic.
This isn't one of those cases where fighting the trend will stop it, so it's time to move on.
If they were to try to make it legally binding there'd be so many caveats and exceptions needed to be built into it it would be a confusing and absurd mess.0 -
I sent cash.Anabobazina said:
I already have. Haven’t you?Casino_Royale said:
I expect we'll be hearing a lot of this from you in the next 24 hours.Anabobazina said:Good news on the National Minimum Wage increase. Well done Rachel.
Maybe you could send her flowers?0 -
@TimS can you link this post? That's shocking to see overt racism on this board now.
Things really have descended. Sad.0 -
I've been ready for that ever since my first trip to Scandinavia.MaxPB said:I just hope everyone's ready for the £9 pint.
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I've seen more optimism from previously cautious Dems online in recent days, but if the poll aggregators are to be believed such an increase on optimism is not based on anything.Ratters said:Trump's chance of winning electoral college:
- 538: 53%
- Nate Silver: 54%
- Betfair: 65%
So the models project a coin toss with a slight Trump bias, while the betting market make Trump almost twice as likely to win as Harris.
It is a very significant divergence.
So I hope they are just overcorrecting for previous Trump underestimates.0 -
When did I say that then?BartholomewRoberts said:
Which isn't what you were saying not long ago when you were demanding that employers be able to bring in people on minimum wage into the country to evade pay rises to fill vacancies.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.
Specifically you said local hospitality couldn't fill vacancies unless people were allowed to migrate on the existing minimum wage rather than put up wages.0 -
That's good if they can both achieve a min wage job for 48 hours. On the good side they would be paying a lot of tax and Ni, and will probably have given up any in work benefits.algarkirk said:
A couple both working maximum (48) hours in FT employment on minimum wage (12.21) once the rise has taken effect will earn (gross) £61K. Which is great but also has interesting effects and pressures on the employment market. I think.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Frankly if a UK business can’t afford to pay people a living wage then I would not be happy supporting them.
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It's already getting on for £9 in some places in London. Not places I go to often but it's there.MaxPB said:I just hope everyone's ready for the £9 pint.
Although at my local corner shop I can get pint cans still for £1.50. So I often go there now.1 -
Is his methodology the tried and trusted technique of throwing half a dozen playing cards in the air and those that land face up give us the Trump lead?rcs1000 said:TRAFALGAR GIVES TRUMP 3 POINT LEAD IN NORTH CAROLINA.
I know that's of no importance whatsoever, but I just wanted to mention it.0 -
6 Highers, 3 CSYS, all at A.kle4 said:
Higher School Certificate?OnlyLivingBoy said:Whoa is it freshers' week?
I don't have any A levels.0 -
A somewhat gauche and vulgar gift. I’d have expected better from you.Casino_Royale said:
I sent cash.Anabobazina said:
I already have. Haven’t you?Casino_Royale said:
I expect we'll be hearing a lot of this from you in the next 24 hours.Anabobazina said:Good news on the National Minimum Wage increase. Well done Rachel.
Maybe you could send her flowers?0 -
I didn't realise it was that scientific.Mexicanpete said:
Is his methodology the tried and trusted technique of throwing half a dozen playing cards in the air and those that land face up give us the Trump lead?rcs1000 said:TRAFALGAR GIVES TRUMP 3 POINT LEAD IN NORTH CAROLINA.
I know that's of no importance whatsoever, but I just wanted to mention it.3 -
Frankly I think people writing off SKS at this point are incredibly naïve. You could have taken these posts and transplanted them back to 2020/2021 when people were saying Johnson would be PM for a decade. I think only @Anabobazina and myself were saying otherwise.
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