"Not being treated as terrorism" says to me that they know what's happened (it's personal etc.). It does not mean "we don't know for sure that it is terrorism."
No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal
BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches
ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year
The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.
The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.
The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.
The hundred isn't cricket. It's ghastly to watch and especially ghastly on tv.
If you could turn off the faux computer game graphics I'd be more inclined to watch it. But you can't.
Yeah, the graphics are nauseating. They look like something from the 1990s. What is the point of them?
It screams a load of oldies paid some marketing agency to design them, with the brief of we want it to be "funky" and "down with the kids".
The one time I watched a bit of it I wondered who had let Janet Street-Porter near TV commissioning again. It felt like a poor quality Yoof program from the early 90s.
There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.
ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.
But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.
The T20 is also great for clubs like mine, Durham. We regularly get good crowds and it is great for the concessions in the ground as well as Chester itself. The street food and the other concessions do well and it is a great day out.
“After the Southport murders and the ensuing protests and riots, some people asked me why I wasn’t commenting. This is why.
Too many on all sides rush to conclusions before all the facts are clear. As more information emerges, it is quite clear that there are serious questions to be asked of the police, the CPS and also of Keir Starmer’s response to the whole situation.
Parliament is the right place for this to happen. While we must abide by the rules of contempt of court and not prejudice this case it is important that there is appropriate scrutiny.“
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
Farage (and far worse people) are going to make absolute hay over this Southport story, especially coming on the back of the Kaba story the other week. It all plays straight into the narrative they are pushing about cover-ups.
Maybe they have a point. It's not just a narrative. From the top.
On one level three beautiful kids were murdered and that's the important bit. Quite what drove the evil bastard to do it is less important. But there is a problem if we get the impression that the authorities are not being 100 % upfront. They may have their reasons, but if feeds narratives.
There is a parallel with Rochdale and the other "asian grooming gangs' where all too often a narrative has developed of cover-up etc.
There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.
ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.
But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.
The T20 is also great for clubs like mine, Durham. We regularly get good crowds and it is great for the concessions in the ground as well as Chester itself. The street food and the other concessions do well and it is a great day out.
The games that will get the crowds are the T20's. I would have the Championship running Monday through to Thursday and then T20 over the weekend, spread over the summer (so in parallel). Back in the day the counties played 6 days a week with few issues. If you need to rest players do so. But a 10 ten Championship Div 1 is 18 games if home and away, or back to 9 each in Div 1 and 2 so 16. Easy to accommodate.
Sure that doesn't give the appeal of a shorter tournament but I think it a better way to develop players in the longer games (spread over the whole of summer's varying conditions) and getting the crowds in on Friday night, Sat and Sun afternoon.
Its tricky in that the ECB what to attract families. Turning it into Friday / Saturday night event, is great for revenue, as it turns it into a social event / pre night out, night out. I am definitely more attracted to that and Hundred cringe fest.
I think the worry for the ECB is they might get very fruity. T20 internationals I have been to have been a bit like that, groups of lads on the heavily on the beers.
There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.
ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.
But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.
The T20 is also great for clubs like mine, Durham. We regularly get good crowds and it is great for the concessions in the ground as well as Chester itself. The street food and the other concessions do well and it is a great day out.
Surely you mean the Oxford University Chancellor Election… that’s the most important ‘other’ election going on right now… as a voter in it I’m intrigued as to who will win. Is there any plans to write a post on it? And does anyone know any betting markets on it? In case anyone’s interested I first preferenced Grieve…
One of the candidates is a regular poster on Vote 2012.
“After the Southport murders and the ensuing protests and riots, some people asked me why I wasn’t commenting. This is why.
Too many on all sides rush to conclusions before all the facts are clear. As more information emerges, it is quite clear that there are serious questions to be asked of the police, the CPS and also of Keir Starmer’s response to the whole situation.
Parliament is the right place for this to happen. While we must abide by the rules of contempt of court and not prejudice this case it is important that there is appropriate scrutiny.“
Unfortunately the Internet is the epitome of a forum which allows people to rush to judgement. Yes, there are questions to be answered (there always were). I'm not quite clear what element of Starmer's "response" needs to be addressed.
He presumably had access to information most of us don't and presumably this was correct information not the disinformation peddled by some on social media.
In a workplace situation you just don't start touching up women, let alone ones much younger than and more junior to you. Of course it's serious if you do it. Imagine being the woman. You don't know it's just mild flirtation. You just know some pissed-up, older bloke in a position of significant authority is touching you up. You have no idea what's coming next but you know what might be.
Even though I disagree with him politically, I think Aaron is generally a good guy and I feel very sorry for him that this has happened. But he not only crossed a red line but one that had flashing lights and huge warning signs above it.
It seems like he admitted a mistake, participated in the process in good faith; but now gets the public shaming and condemnation anyway. I don't want to try and excuse what happened but how are you supposed to find a way forward with this report published in the public domain? It is a life changing event, it severely limits the opportunities available to him going forward. Is this really a proportionate punishment?
I think that this is another reason why Trump is interesting, he shrugs off and rebuts accusations of various 'misconduct' and something like 50% of people vote for him anyway.
There is something about the appeal of the bad guy/risk taker that prevails over whatever the prevailing culture is; a feature of human nature.
What do you propose should be different and why?
Justice should be done and seen to be done.
If you do the wrong thing you should own the consequences. Personal accountability and all that jazz. The "shaming and condemnation" is entirely self-inflicted but comes with an acknowledgement that he admitted a mistake - but it was a mistake, an incredibly serious one.
People do not go to work to be abused and workplaces should and nowadays do have zero tolerance policies for a good reason.
Yes Trump wallows in doing the wrong thing and that's attractive to some people - and utterly repulsive to others. If the GOP had anyone other than Trump at this election they'd almost certainly have walked it under the circumstances (people do not feel richer than 4 years ago). His "grab them by the pussy" attitude is not one to be emulated or endorsed.
It isn't just 'some' people, it is 50% of voters who are at least tolerant of Trump; and it just isn't obvious that the Republicans would be winning by a mile if there was a different candidate. I think that part of this is a rejection of a dominant cultural worldview, based on what they would identify as 'common sense'.
Half of voters expect to be better off under Trump.
And people - 99% of the time - will excuse almost anything if they personally think they will be better off.
Personally, I think the Harris campaign should focused on Trump's 10% tariff, and the impact it would have on prices of everyday items in shops. Because I think there are few things that will make average Americans poorer than that.
What immediate impact would it actually have? Imports are only around 15% of US GDP (compare eg Germany almost 50%).
Who could possibly have predicted that the 'mainstream' official sources/media were lying as usual about crime, terrorism, Islam. No10 will have known the truth almost immediately the police did, which will have been almost immediately. And who could possibly have predicted that the NPC pundits like Freedman and Portes and Katwala peddled all the official bullshit 24/7 while babbling the whole time about 'disinformation' and 'Islamophobia' from 'fascists' like @elonmusk & demanding people be locked up for spreading 'disinformation'!!!! NPC pundits ARE THE DISINFORMATION. It's being shoved out cos of the budget & US election, hoping most voters don't see how they were lied to by the official system yet again. *The system is working as intended*
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Tommy is in prison because he broke a court order about something else. I suspect deliberately.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.
ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.
But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.
The T20 is also great for clubs like mine, Durham. We regularly get good crowds and it is great for the concessions in the ground as well as Chester itself. The street food and the other concessions do well and it is a great day out.
There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.
ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.
But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.
The T20 is also great for clubs like mine, Durham. We regularly get good crowds and it is great for the concessions in the ground as well as Chester itself. The street food and the other concessions do well and it is a great day out.
The games that will get the crowds are the T20's. I would have the Championship running Monday through to Thursday and then T20 over the weekend, spread over the summer (so in parallel). Back in the day the counties played 6 days a week with few issues. If you need to rest players do so. But a 10 ten Championship Div 1 is 18 games if home and away, or back to 9 each in Div 1 and 2 so 16. Easy to accommodate.
Sure that doesn't give the appeal of a shorter tournament but I think it a better way to develop players in the longer games (spread over the whole of summer's varying conditions) and getting the crowds in on Friday night, Sat and Sun afternoon.
Its tricky in that the ECB what to attract families. Turning it into Friday / Saturday night event, is great for revenue, as it turns it into a social event / pre night out, night out. I am definitely more attracted to that and Hundred cringe fest.
I think the worry for the ECB is they might get very fruity. T20 internationals I have been to have been a bit like that, groups of lads on the heavily on the beers.
Didn’t the H*****d experiment with having large “Family Stand” areas, with no alcohol allowed, their own concessions, toilets etc, and plenty of security? That would seem a sensible approach to any Friday/Saturday night match.
On one level three beautiful kids were murdered and that's the important bit. Quite what drove the evil bastard to do it is less important. But there is a problem if we get the impression that the authorities are not being 100 % upfront. They may have their reasons, but if feeds narratives.
There is a parallel with Rochdale and the other "asian grooming gangs' where all too often a narrative has developed of cover-up etc.
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
West Indies cricket collapsed when it went to pay tv and the free channels showed American basketball instead.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
"Keir Starmer must urgently explain to the country what he knew about the Southport attack and when he learned it."
The answer to those questions more likely putting Home Secretary Cooper in a difficult place than Starmer, as she done majority of talking at dispatch box and into TV camera’s - if saying one thing whilst knowing another then Starmer certainly has lost a Home Secretary for lying to the country, just over 100 days as PM.
Pressure on the next Tory leader too, if they let Labour get away with “can’t answer any questions on that, because in cunning Yes Minister form, we have launched a kicked into long grass… sorry I misspoke, I meant to say enquiry to get to the truth, so I can’t answer anything before it reports. And even when it reports, at time of my choosing, like in middle of Christmas, it will be heavily redacted so you still won’t know diddly squat.”
Pressure on Tories over this is two fold, they need quick answers to get the Home Secretaries resignation quickly, allow an enquiry that takes ages makes the new Tory leader look toothless, and secondly, Farage is in the house, Tory leaders scrutiny and performance on this will be measured by all the media against Farage scrutiny and performance of this. Let’s not forget new Conservative leaders performance gets measure against Farage all the time from now.
The Prime Minister’s Deputy Official Spokesman said:
“It is important that we let the police and CPS do their jobs and for a trial to establish the facts. Our focus is on ensuring that we get justice for the victims and their loved ones. We must let the police do their jobs and trial establish the facts. The government is focused on ensuring the families and all those affected see justice. First and foremost the Prime Minister’s thoughts are with those families and the communities. His thoughts remain firmly with them.”
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
The Prime Minister’s Deputy Official Spokesman said:
“It is important that we let the police and CPS do their jobs and for a trial to establish the facts. Our focus is on ensuring that we get justice for the victims and their loved ones. We must let the police do their jobs and trial establish the facts. The government is focused on ensuring the families and all those affected see justice. First and foremost the Prime Minister’s thoughts are with those families and the communities. His thoughts remain firmly with them.”
Missed 14 years of Tory failures, £22bn black hole, far right extremists....
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
“After the Southport murders and the ensuing protests and riots, some people asked me why I wasn’t commenting. This is why.
Too many on all sides rush to conclusions before all the facts are clear. As more information emerges, it is quite clear that there are serious questions to be asked of the police, the CPS and also of Keir Starmer’s response to the whole situation.
Parliament is the right place for this to happen. While we must abide by the rules of contempt of court and not prejudice this case it is important that there is appropriate scrutiny.“
Unfortunately the Internet is the epitome of a forum which allows people to rush to judgement. Yes, there are questions to be answered (there always were). I'm not quite clear what element of Starmer's "response" needs to be addressed.
He presumably had access to information most of us don't and presumably this was correct information not the disinformation peddled by some on social media.
The police would have known within days and Starmer too. Yet they were happy to prod us towards a mental health problem or neurodivergence, always willing to tar people with mental health concerns, just to divert away from the real issues. Starmer was then piously talking about misinformation, while all the time misinforming us. Gaslighting.
On one level three beautiful kids were murdered and that's the important bit. Quite what drove the evil bastard to do it is less important. But there is a problem if we get the impression that the authorities are not being 100 % upfront. They may have their reasons, but if feeds narratives.
There is a parallel with Rochdale and the other "asian grooming gangs' where all too often a narrative has developed of cover-up etc.
There is zero evidence so far that the authorities have not been 100% upfront. They weren't treating it as terrorism; they subsequently found further evidence.
They said he wasn't an immigrant or an asylum seeker. He wasn't an immigrant or an asylum seeker. The rioters targeted asylum seekers, remember?
I've seen nothing to support the claim he was previously known to security services.
People trying to twist this to suit their narrative are the ones who are not being 100% upfront.
More money for Trump, price closing in on 1.5 now. God (!) this is a tester. I'm like a poker player not folding despite getting the raised eyebrow from the dealer. I really hope I'm Lancey 'the man" Howard not Eric 'the kid" Stoner. Perhaps the only time in my life I've hated the idea of being Steve McQueen.
“After the Southport murders and the ensuing protests and riots, some people asked me why I wasn’t commenting. This is why.
Too many on all sides rush to conclusions before all the facts are clear. As more information emerges, it is quite clear that there are serious questions to be asked of the police, the CPS and also of Keir Starmer’s response to the whole situation.
Parliament is the right place for this to happen. While we must abide by the rules of contempt of court and not prejudice this case it is important that there is appropriate scrutiny.“
It's possible (probable?) that she's known for a while under Privy council terms.
Elon Musk admits that he and Trump will crash the economy, but it’s okay, because they’ll build a better world from the rubble. Not exaggerating, he just said it.
No 10 denying prior knowledge of the decision by the CPS to charge the suspect with terrorism
I expect an urgent question to the Home Secretary asking when she knew ricin and the Al Quaeda manual had been discovered in the suspects house
I suspect she found out quite late on. even with high profile cases like this there'd be little to no communication with the home secretary about operational matters.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.
The Prime Minister’s Deputy Official Spokesman said:
“It is important that we let the police and CPS do their jobs and for a trial to establish the facts. Our focus is on ensuring that we get justice for the victims and their loved ones. We must let the police do their jobs and trial establish the facts. The government is focused on ensuring the families and all those affected see justice. First and foremost the Prime Minister’s thoughts are with those families and the communities. His thoughts remain firmly with them.”
Not a good start to the week, suspending an MP for punching over and continuing to pummel a constituent - constituent who had hands in pockets when assault started - and now Home Secretary on verge of resigning. And it’s only Tuesday.
The pressure seems misdirected at the PM at the moment though, not Home Secretary who is surely far more exposed to this botched cover up?
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
The Prime Minister’s Deputy Official Spokesman said:
“It is important that we let the police and CPS do their jobs and for a trial to establish the facts. Our focus is on ensuring that we get justice for the victims and their loved ones. We must let the police do their jobs and trial establish the facts. The government is focused on ensuring the families and all those affected see justice. First and foremost the Prime Minister’s thoughts are with those families and the communities. His thoughts remain firmly with them.”
Missed 14 years of Tory failures, £22bn black hole, far right extremists....
Didn’t Holly from Red Dwarf once say that black holes are a bit like buses. In deep space for three million years and not a single one, then suddenly five of them turn up at once.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Tommy claimed the crime was committed by a made-up Muslim name. It wasn't. Tommy claimed the attacker was an asylum seeker. He wasn't.
Tommy is in prison for a contempt of court, to which he pled guilty, unrelated to this case.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.
"Not that I want it to kick off"
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Tommy is in prison because he broke a court order about something else. I suspect deliberately.
Absolutely deliberately. He's said so and pled guilty.
The Prime Minister’s Deputy Official Spokesman said:
“It is important that we let the police and CPS do their jobs and for a trial to establish the facts. Our focus is on ensuring that we get justice for the victims and their loved ones. We must let the police do their jobs and trial establish the facts. The government is focused on ensuring the families and all those affected see justice. First and foremost the Prime Minister’s thoughts are with those families and the communities. His thoughts remain firmly with them.”
Not a good start to the week, suspending an MP for punching over and continuing to pummel a constituent - constituent who had hands in pockets when assault started - and now Home Secretary on verge of resigning. And it’s only Tuesday.
The pressure seems misdirected at the PM at the moment though, not Home Secretary who is surely far more exposed to this botched cover up?
I tend to agree that Cooper will have to address the HOC on this and what she knew and when
Though ultimately Starmer is PM and needs to be honest
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Tommy is in prison because he broke a court order about something else. I suspect deliberately.
Did I read it right that he got locked up for failing to unlock his phone for police?
No 10 denying prior knowledge of the decision by the CPS to charge the suspect with terrorism
I expect an urgent question to the Home Secretary asking when she knew ricin and the Al Quaeda manual had been discovered in the suspects house
I suspect she found out quite late on. even with high profile cases like this there'd be little to no communication with the home secretary about operational matters.
Seriously? It’s not just this week the rice in the Tupperware and a manual was found is it? These were found hours after the attack.
I’m with Big G on this one. Urgent Ricingate questions for Cooper to answer, what did she know and when.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Tommy is in prison because he broke a court order about something else. I suspect deliberately.
Did I read it right that he got locked up for failing to unlock his phone for police?
No, that is a separate case that hasn't been tried yet.
He got banged up because he keeps repeating claims about a viral video, which the court has said are false and has been told not to repeat, but then he made a "documentary" about the wider case, the narrative being its a massive cover-up, which he keeps promoting / playing at gatherings.
He couldn't exactly plead not-guilty to the fact he made a film which has now been viewed many many millions of times online, so not exactly like he was over heard repeating the false claim to a mate in the pub.
On one level three beautiful kids were murdered and that's the important bit. Quite what drove the evil bastard to do it is less important. But there is a problem if we get the impression that the authorities are not being 100 % upfront. They may have their reasons, but if feeds narratives.
There is a parallel with Rochdale and the other "asian grooming gangs' where all too often a narrative has developed of cover-up etc.
There is zero evidence so far that the authorities have not been 100% upfront. They weren't treating it as terrorism; they subsequently found further evidence.
They said he wasn't an immigrant or an asylum seeker. He wasn't an immigrant or an asylum seeker. The rioters targeted asylum seekers, remember?
I've seen nothing to support the claim he was previously known to security services.
People trying to twist this to suit their narrative are the ones who are not being 100% upfront.
And to be clear I am not suggesting that they have not been upfront. However they get into difficulties because of the rush to the phrase "not treating as terrorism (related)" when it later turns out to be. Don't give the racists the chance. Just say "no comment" or "its too early to say". We should all be able to respect the police enough to let them do their job.
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
The Prime Minister’s Deputy Official Spokesman said:
“It is important that we let the police and CPS do their jobs and for a trial to establish the facts. Our focus is on ensuring that we get justice for the victims and their loved ones. We must let the police do their jobs and trial establish the facts. The government is focused on ensuring the families and all those affected see justice. First and foremost the Prime Minister’s thoughts are with those families and the communities. His thoughts remain firmly with them.”
Missed 14 years of Tory failures, £22bn black hole, far right extremists....
Didn’t Holly from Red Dwarf once say that black holes are a bit like buses. In deep space for three million years and not a single one, then suddenly five of them turn up at once.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Tommy is in prison because he broke a court order about something else. I suspect deliberately.
Absolutely deliberately. He's said so and pled guilty.
It is strange that otherwise intelligent posters like @Sandpit aren't au fait with Google.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Tommy is in prison because he broke a court order about something else. I suspect deliberately.
Absolutely deliberately. He's said so and pled guilty.
Presumably he was struggling to find a place to rent, so took the HMP option...
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
That is his name: Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. Tommy Robinson is just a stage name, he was tried under his real name.
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
That is his name: Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. Tommy Robinson is just a stage name, he was tried under his real name.
And do you refer to everyone who has a stage name in the same way?
“In the wake of the horrific murder of those three girls in Southport in July of this year I asked some questions saying: ‘Please tell us the truth, stop the online speculation.’ Well it’s taken a long time to find out more about the individual. He’s now been charged, believe it or not, under the Biological Weapons Act because the police have found ricin in his home. He’s been charged under the Terrorism Act, alleged to have downloaded Al-Qaeda terrorist materials. But the murder of the girls and the serious injury of the others that is still being treated as a non-terror incident because they don’t know what the motives were. We’ve also been told this afternoon there are other facts that we don’t yet know because the CPS say they will come out in good time in court and are not to be discussed now. So that’s all right then that all makes sense to you doesn’t it? Yes, absolutely.”
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
That is his name: Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. Tommy Robinson is just a stage name, he was tried under his real name.
And do you refer to everyone who has a stage name in the same way?
Why is it such a big deal? He was tried under that name, and is referred to in the court report as Yaxley-Lennon. I'm not really sure of your point TBH!
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
He's had 5 different names or alias. Best to use his originl name to avoid confusion.
Maybe you can chip into his crowd funder if its hurt his feelings
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.
"Not that I want it to kick off"
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
No 10 denying prior knowledge of the decision by the CPS to charge the suspect with terrorism
I expect an urgent question to the Home Secretary asking when she knew ricin and the Al Quaeda manual had been discovered in the suspects house
Police investigations and prosecution decisions are and should be independent of govt
Are you saying that there is someone being charged with terrorism offences (who has also been charged with killing three children) and the Home Office and HS are finding out at the same time as us?
The Prime Minister’s Deputy Official Spokesman said:
“It is important that we let the police and CPS do their jobs and for a trial to establish the facts. Our focus is on ensuring that we get justice for the victims and their loved ones. We must let the police do their jobs and trial establish the facts. The government is focused on ensuring the families and all those affected see justice. First and foremost the Prime Minister’s thoughts are with those families and the communities. His thoughts remain firmly with them.”
Not a good start to the week, suspending an MP for punching over and continuing to pummel a constituent - constituent who had hands in pockets when assault started - and now Home Secretary on verge of resigning. And it’s only Tuesday.
The pressure seems misdirected at the PM at the moment though, not Home Secretary who is surely far more exposed to this botched cover up?
I tend to agree that Cooper will have to address the HOC on this and what she knew and when
Though ultimately Starmer is PM and needs to be honest
Starmer already got form for chucking Boris Slayer Sue Gray under a bus, soon as he felt heat on his skin, Cooper likely to be asked to fall on her sword to save Starmer from repeated hits from a long drawn out Ricingate Scandal.
And we are only a hundred days in.
Coopers resignation will be a huge Honeymoon boost to the new Conservative leader, provided they don’t let Cooper and Starmer avoid answering good question due to ongoing inquiries.
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
That is his name: Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. Tommy Robinson is just a stage name, he was tried under his real name.
And do you refer to everyone who has a stage name in the same way?
Why is it such a big deal? He was tried under that name, and is referred to in the court report as Yaxley-Lennon. I'm not really sure of your point TBH!
I just find it a bit odd that some do this, specifically with him. Like he's not allowed to call himself Tommy Robinson, or as if its somehow cool to use his original or given name.
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
That is his name: Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. Tommy Robinson is just a stage name, he was tried under his real name.
And do you refer to everyone who has a stage name in the same way?
If the real name is as well-known and you don't like act - why on earth not? Why does it bother you is the more interesting question
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
He's had 5 different names or alias. Best to use his originl name to avoid confusion.
Maybe you can chip into his crowd funder if its hurt his feelings
Surely he is most prominently known as Tommy Robinson?
The Prime Minister’s Deputy Official Spokesman said:
“It is important that we let the police and CPS do their jobs and for a trial to establish the facts. Our focus is on ensuring that we get justice for the victims and their loved ones. We must let the police do their jobs and trial establish the facts. The government is focused on ensuring the families and all those affected see justice. First and foremost the Prime Minister’s thoughts are with those families and the communities. His thoughts remain firmly with them.”
Not a good start to the week, suspending an MP for punching over and continuing to pummel a constituent - constituent who had hands in pockets when assault started - and now Home Secretary on verge of resigning. And it’s only Tuesday.
The pressure seems misdirected at the PM at the moment though, not Home Secretary who is surely far more exposed to this botched cover up?
The Home Secretary is not on the verge of resigning.
What specifically do you think has been covered up?
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.
"Not that I want it to kick off"
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
What specifically had been covered up?
The discovery of Ricin - alongside which Guido is claiming he knew on Friday and was ordered not to publish...
No 10 denying prior knowledge of the decision by the CPS to charge the suspect with terrorism
I expect an urgent question to the Home Secretary asking when she knew ricin and the Al Quaeda manual had been discovered in the suspects house
Police investigations and prosecution decisions are and should be independent of govt
Of course, but Merseyside Police have confirmed ricin and an Al Quaeda manual were found in the suspects home and it is only correct for Yvette Cooper to make a statement to the HOC and explain when she knew of the discovery and indeed was it a Privy Council matter
There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.
ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.
But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.
The T20 is also great for clubs like mine, Durham. We regularly get good crowds and it is great for the concessions in the ground as well as Chester itself. The street food and the other concessions do well and it is a great day out.
The games that will get the crowds are the T20's. I would have the Championship running Monday through to Thursday and then T20 over the weekend, spread over the summer (so in parallel). Back in the day the counties played 6 days a week with few issues. If you need to rest players do so. But a 10 ten Championship Div 1 is 18 games if home and away, or back to 9 each in Div 1 and 2 so 16. Easy to accommodate.
Sure that doesn't give the appeal of a shorter tournament but I think it a better way to develop players in the longer games (spread over the whole of summer's varying conditions) and getting the crowds in on Friday night, Sat and Sun afternoon.
The Hundred was an utter fraud from the start, given it was always conceived in the way that it was, as opposed to revamping The Blast alongside other comps, for reasons of financial jiggery pokery. Namely that it was always going to be easier to flog supposedly new 'entities' that only played T20 than a county.
All the PR about new audiences and bringing more money into the game was just that - the sums just didn't add up without overseas money bankrolling it like it bankrolls numerous otherwise unsustainable T20 leagues around the world.
The problem being, it'll be disastrous for English cricket as franchise cricket is a bubble that relies on Indian and oil money - which will always come with strings attached. So they'll take the money and sell off the summer, but what then? The casual fans they pitched at attracting will easily be drawn away by the next thing, especially if the spectacle's a bit second rate. While those who loved cricket before - who previously bankrolled the game by paying through the nose for Sky, tickets, and memberships - will no longer be as loyal.
Personally, the horrific Hundred needs to be stopped before its too late - even if it takes boycotts and interruptions of test matches, if we want a decent domestic game in this country.
Then I'd add 3 'counties' (Ireland, Scotland, AN other) so we can have a 3 division championship of 7 teams each. That's a 12 game season playing home and away. Add 3 more minor counties or invitational Associates to a 24 team One Day Cup - played with 6 Groups of 4 like a football Euros then a knockout - so not too many games but loads of meaningful ones. Play group games in a week early in the season then knock out rounds over the next weekends. Final in June.
Then for T20 I'd take the 21 'County' teams and split them into 3 groups of 7 by region, as The Blast is now. Top 2 qualify as of right. with 3rd and 4th in each group playing off for the remaining 3 spots in a finals league that fills The Hundred TV friendly slot over a few weeks in August. To ensure big test grounds are used if teams don't qualify have 'magic weekends' there. Then finals day as is now.
The women's game could then mirror it but with fewer teams, say an 8 county professional FC comp, and a development Div 2. A 16 team ODC, and a T20 like The Hundred now with some weekend double headers with men's games.
Job done. Slightly less cricket, but much more meaningful cricket. Plenty for Sky to get their teeth into. Though of course it won't be done as the ECB are only interested in lining their own wallets, not cricket.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.
"Not that I want it to kick off"
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
What specifically had been covered up?
The police are still claiming the literal massacre of the innocents has an unknown motive, after the bloke who did it has ricin and islamic terrorist manuals found at his home.
Briefing the likely motive was mental health related at the time can be forgiven as naiveity or incompetance, but still saying they don't know what happened now is pushing it a bit too far.
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
That is his name: Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. Tommy Robinson is just a stage name, he was tried under his real name.
And do you refer to everyone who has a stage name in the same way?
If the real name is as well-known and you don't like act - why on earth not? Why does it bother you is the more interesting question
It doesn't bother me. I just wonder why people do it.
No 10 denying prior knowledge of the decision by the CPS to charge the suspect with terrorism
I expect an urgent question to the Home Secretary asking when she knew ricin and the Al Quaeda manual had been discovered in the suspects house
Police investigations and prosecution decisions are and should be independent of govt
Of course, but Merseyside Police have confirmed ricin and an Al Quaeda manual were found in the suspects home and it is only correct for Yvette Cooper to make a statement to the HOC and explain when she knew of the discovery and indeed was it a Privy Council matter
WTF would the Home Secretary know any quicker than anyone else?
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
He's had 5 different names or alias. Best to use his originl name to avoid confusion.
Maybe you can chip into his crowd funder if its hurt his feelings
Yes, only Grant Shapps has more aliases than Yaxley-Lennon.
Weirdly, though, Yaxley-Lennon's latest moniker 'Tommy Robinson' is rather weirdly named after a real person. Tommy Robinson was/is a Luton Town football hooligan.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.
"Not that I want it to kick off"
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
"We can also confirm that the incident is not currently being treated as terror-related and we are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident.
Now, if you say it's not being treated as terrorism, it can only mean it's because you have a good idea of what it is (e.g. personal, he knew the woman taking the class etc. etc.). I.e. it would come as a huge surprise if the motivation turned out to be terrorism.
The weasel words "not currently" don't mean anything.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.
"Not that I want it to kick off"
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
What specifically had been covered up?
We were told that it was disinformation to link the crime to Islamist terrorism. Now it seems to be the truth.
“After the Southport murders and the ensuing protests and riots, some people asked me why I wasn’t commenting. This is why.
Too many on all sides rush to conclusions before all the facts are clear. As more information emerges, it is quite clear that there are serious questions to be asked of the police, the CPS and also of Keir Starmer’s response to the whole situation.
Parliament is the right place for this to happen. While we must abide by the rules of contempt of court and not prejudice this case it is important that there is appropriate scrutiny.“
Unfortunately the Internet is the epitome of a forum which allows people to rush to judgement. Yes, there are questions to be answered (there always were). I'm not quite clear what element of Starmer's "response" needs to be addressed.
He presumably had access to information most of us don't and presumably this was correct information not the disinformation peddled by some on social media.
The police would have known within days and Starmer too. Yet they were happy to prod us towards a mental health problem or neurodivergence, always willing to tar people with mental health concerns, just to divert away from the real issues. Starmer was then piously talking about misinformation, while all the time misinforming us. Gaslighting.
Do you have any actual evidence as to when either the police or Starmer knew? You just appear to be offering assumptions.
People assumed the attacker was an asylum seeker. He wasn't. They assumed he was an immigrant. He wasn't they assumed the silly made-up Arabic-sounding name was correct. It wasn't.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.
"Not that I want it to kick off"
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
"We can also confirm that the incident is not currently being treated as terror-related and we are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident.
Now, if you say it's not being treated as terrorism, it can only mean it's because you have a good idea of what it is (e.g. personal, he knew the woman taking the class etc. etc.). I.e. it would come as a huge surprise if the motivation turned out to be terrorism.
The weasel words "not currently" don't mean anything.
There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.
ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.
But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.
The T20 is also great for clubs like mine, Durham. We regularly get good crowds and it is great for the concessions in the ground as well as Chester itself. The street food and the other concessions do well and it is a great day out.
The games that will get the crowds are the T20's. I would have the Championship running Monday through to Thursday and then T20 over the weekend, spread over the summer (so in parallel). Back in the day the counties played 6 days a week with few issues. If you need to rest players do so. But a 10 ten Championship Div 1 is 18 games if home and away, or back to 9 each in Div 1 and 2 so 16. Easy to accommodate.
Sure that doesn't give the appeal of a shorter tournament but I think it a better way to develop players in the longer games (spread over the whole of summer's varying conditions) and getting the crowds in on Friday night, Sat and Sun afternoon.
The Hundred was an utter fraud from the start, given it was always conceived in the way that it was, as opposed to revamping The Blast alongside other comps, for reasons of financial jiggery pokery. Namely that it was always going to be easier to flog supposedly new 'entities' that only played T20 than a county.
All the PR about new audiences and bringing more money into the game was just that - the sums just didn't add up without overseas money bankrolling it like it bankrolls numerous otherwise unsustainable T20 leagues around the world.
The problem being, it'll be disastrous for English cricket as franchise cricket is a bubble that relies on Indian and oil money - which will always come with strings attached. So they'll take the money and sell off the summer, but what then? The casual fans they pitched at attracting will easily be drawn away by the next thing, especially if the spectacle's a bit second rate. While those who loved cricket before - who previously bankrolled the game by paying through the nose for Sky, tickets, and memberships - will no longer be as loyal.
Personally, the horrific Hundred needs to be stopped before its too late - even if it takes boycotts and interruptions of test matches, if we want a decent domestic game in this country.
Then I'd add 3 'counties' (Ireland, Scotland, AN other) so we can have a 3 division championship of 7 teams each. That's a 12 game season playing home and away. Add 3 more minor counties or invitational Associates to a 24 team One Day Cup - played with 6 Groups of 4 like a football Euros then a knockout - so not too many games but loads of meaningful ones. Play group games in a week early in the season then knock out rounds over the next weekends. Final in June.
Then for T20 I'd take the 21 'County' teams and split them into 3 groups of 7 by region, as The Blast is now. Top 2 qualify as of right. with 3rd and 4th in each group playing off for the remaining 3 spots in a finals league that fills The Hundred TV friendly slot over a few weeks in August. To ensure big test grounds are used if teams don't qualify have 'magic weekends' there. Then finals day as is now.
The women's game could then mirror it but with fewer teams, say an 8 county professional FC comp, and a development Div 2. A 16 team ODC, and a T20 like The Hundred now with some weekend double headers with men's games.
Job done. Slightly less cricket, but much more meaningful cricket. Plenty for Sky to get their teeth into. Though of course it won't be done as the ECB are only interested in lining their own wallets, not cricket.
21 county teams? I know of 18 and then the minor counties.
I always considered the Hundred as the first step to getting rid of counties and getting to a system more akin to Aussie cricket at the top level.
Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.
At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.
It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for contempt of court.
The guy is an arse, but why do you choose to use that name, rather than the name he uses?
That is his name: Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. Tommy Robinson is just a stage name, he was tried under his real name.
And do you refer to everyone who has a stage name in the same way?
Why is it such a big deal? He was tried under that name, and is referred to in the court report as Yaxley-Lennon. I'm not really sure of your point TBH!
I just find it a bit odd that some do this, specifically with him. Like he's not allowed to call himself Tommy Robinson, or as if its somehow cool to use his original or given name.
As others have said, he's had a multitude of aliases over the years. I'll call him Wayne King if you prefer, as that was one of them.
No 10 denying prior knowledge of the decision by the CPS to charge the suspect with terrorism
I expect an urgent question to the Home Secretary asking when she knew ricin and the Al Quaeda manual had been discovered in the suspects house
Police investigations and prosecution decisions are and should be independent of govt
Of course, but Merseyside Police have confirmed ricin and an Al Quaeda manual were found in the suspects home and it is only correct for Yvette Cooper to make a statement to the HOC and explain when she knew of the discovery and indeed was it a Privy Council matter
WTF would the Home Secretary know any quicker than anyone else?
On a matter of this importance I would expect she would have been informed by the police in the first instance
Who could possibly have predicted that the 'mainstream' official sources/media were lying as usual about crime, terrorism, Islam. No10 will have known the truth almost immediately the police did, which will have been almost immediately. And who could possibly have predicted that the NPC pundits like Freedman and Portes and Katwala peddled all the official bullshit 24/7 while babbling the whole time about 'disinformation' and 'Islamophobia' from 'fascists' like @elonmusk & demanding people be locked up for spreading 'disinformation'!!!! NPC pundits ARE THE DISINFORMATION. It's being shoved out cos of the budget & US election, hoping most voters don't see how they were lied to by the official system yet again. *The system is working as intended*
What does Dominic Cummings mean by NPC in this tweet?
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.
"Not that I want it to kick off"
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
What specifically had been covered up?
We were told that it was disinformation to link the crime to Islamist terrorism. Now it seems to be the truth.
The disinformation was primarily that he was an illegal/boat person.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
It's cold and dark now, safe time to admit the hush up.
The weather is set fair for the next week. Plenty of fireworks around too. (Not that I want it to kick off - I don't think it will - but if that was the thinking behind the lies, then the police deserve everything they get)
I find some of the language and sentiments expressed by certain posters on here pretty unpleasant at the moment.
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
Nope, I'm saying the powers that be having to ask their officers to deal with shit deserve everything they get. (If I were rank and file, I'd refuse to go out there after this).
That isn't how your previous post reads, to me at least.
"Not that I want it to kick off"
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
"We can also confirm that the incident is not currently being treated as terror-related and we are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident.
Now, if you say it's not being treated as terrorism, it can only mean it's because you have a good idea of what it is (e.g. personal, he knew the woman taking the class etc. etc.). I.e. it would come as a huge surprise if the motivation turned out to be terrorism.
The weasel words "not currently" don't mean anything.
The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.
This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
I can understand why the police didn’t want to release this pre whatever that Tommy Robinson march was, but the perception I.e what some groups will do with this won’t help.
So they’ve put “Tommy” in prison, and are now saying that this attack was terrorism after all?
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
Tommy is in prison because he broke a court order about something else. I suspect deliberately.
Did I read it right that he got locked up for failing to unlock his phone for police?
No. He has been charged with that, but that goes to court next month.
He was locked up for contempt of court. He told lies about a kid. A court case decided they were lies and told him to stop saying them. He kept on saying them. Contempt of court. He pled guilty.
"Keir Starmer must urgently explain to the country what he knew about the Southport attack and when he learned it."
It's called opposition.
Meanwhile centrist Kemi maintaining her standoffish say nothing stance, except to suggest that this justifies her saying nothing whilst the misinformation was being spread by the establishment.
Who could possibly have predicted that the 'mainstream' official sources/media were lying as usual about crime, terrorism, Islam. No10 will have known the truth almost immediately the police did, which will have been almost immediately. And who could possibly have predicted that the NPC pundits like Freedman and Portes and Katwala peddled all the official bullshit 24/7 while babbling the whole time about 'disinformation' and 'Islamophobia' from 'fascists' like @elonmusk & demanding people be locked up for spreading 'disinformation'!!!! NPC pundits ARE THE DISINFORMATION. It's being shoved out cos of the budget & US election, hoping most voters don't see how they were lied to by the official system yet again. *The system is working as intended*
What does Dominic Cummings mean by NPC in this tweet?
Who could possibly have predicted that the 'mainstream' official sources/media were lying as usual about crime, terrorism, Islam. No10 will have known the truth almost immediately the police did, which will have been almost immediately. And who could possibly have predicted that the NPC pundits like Freedman and Portes and Katwala peddled all the official bullshit 24/7 while babbling the whole time about 'disinformation' and 'Islamophobia' from 'fascists' like @elonmusk & demanding people be locked up for spreading 'disinformation'!!!! NPC pundits ARE THE DISINFORMATION. It's being shoved out cos of the budget & US election, hoping most voters don't see how they were lied to by the official system yet again. *The system is working as intended*
What does Dominic Cummings mean by NPC in this tweet?
Non-Player Character. In alt-right land, it is used as critical term for those unthinking uncritical individuals who just repeat the "authority" line on everything, like an NPC in a video game just follows a very limited scripted path.
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https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1851294780304863449
"Keir Starmer must urgently explain to the country what he knew about the Southport attack and when he learned it."
“After the Southport murders and the ensuing protests and riots, some people asked me why I wasn’t commenting. This is why.
Too many on all sides rush to conclusions before all the facts are clear. As more information emerges, it is quite clear that there are serious questions to be asked of the police, the CPS and also of Keir Starmer’s response to the whole situation.
Parliament is the right place for this to happen. While we must abide by the rules of contempt of court and not prejudice this case it is important that there is appropriate scrutiny.“
There is a parallel with Rochdale and the other "asian grooming gangs' where all too often a narrative has developed of cover-up etc.
I think the worry for the ECB is they might get very fruity. T20 internationals I have been to have been a bit like that, groups of lads on the heavily on the beers.
Furbank; Feyi-Waboso, Slade, Lawrence, Freeman; M Smith, Spencer; Genge, George (capt), Stuart; Itoje, Martin; Cunningham-South, T Curry, Earl.
Replacements: Dan, Baxter, Cole, Isiekwe, B Curry, Dombrandt, Randall, Ford.
Slade break downs, going to be square pegs into round holes.
He presumably had access to information most of us don't and presumably this was correct information not the disinformation peddled by some on social media.
Who could possibly have predicted that the 'mainstream' official sources/media were lying as usual about crime, terrorism, Islam. No10 will have known the truth almost immediately the police did, which will have been almost immediately.
And who could possibly have predicted that the NPC pundits like Freedman and Portes and Katwala peddled all the official bullshit 24/7 while babbling the whole time about 'disinformation' and 'Islamophobia' from 'fascists' like
@elonmusk
& demanding people be locked up for spreading 'disinformation'!!!!
NPC pundits ARE THE DISINFORMATION.
It's being shoved out cos of the budget & US election, hoping most voters don't see how they were lied to by the official system yet again.
*The system is working as intended*
Hope the police and Home Office are braced for the response, let’s all hope and pray it doesn’t get as ugly as it did earlier in the summer.
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The Southport attacker has now been charged with Terrorism offences. Perhaps I was right all along.
Pressure on the next Tory leader too, if they let Labour get away with “can’t answer any questions on that, because in cunning Yes Minister form, we have launched a kicked into long grass… sorry I misspoke, I meant to say enquiry to get to the truth, so I can’t answer anything before it reports. And even when it reports, at time of my choosing, like in middle of Christmas, it will be heavily redacted so you still won’t know diddly squat.”
Pressure on Tories over this is two fold, they need quick answers to get the Home Secretaries resignation quickly, allow an enquiry that takes ages makes the new Tory leader look toothless, and secondly, Farage is in the house, Tory leaders scrutiny and performance on this will be measured by all the media against Farage scrutiny and performance of this. Let’s not forget new Conservative leaders performance gets measure against Farage all the time from now.
https://order-order.com/2024/10/29/starmer-responds-to-southport-killer-terror-charge/
The Prime Minister’s Deputy Official Spokesman said:
“It is important that we let the police and CPS do their jobs and for a trial to establish the facts. Our focus is on ensuring that we get justice for the victims and their loved ones. We must let the police do their jobs and trial establish the facts. The government is focused on ensuring the families and all those affected see justice. First and foremost the Prime Minister’s thoughts are with those families and the communities. His thoughts remain firmly with them.”
Are you really saying that individual police officers deserve to be attacked with fireworks? Pretty shameful imo.
https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1851296195244933250
I expect an urgent question to the Home Secretary asking when she knew ricin and the Al Quaeda manual had been discovered in the suspects house
They said he wasn't an immigrant or an asylum seeker. He wasn't an immigrant or an asylum seeker. The rioters targeted asylum seekers, remember?
I've seen nothing to support the claim he was previously known to security services.
People trying to twist this to suit their narrative are the ones who are not being 100% upfront.
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The pressure seems misdirected at the PM at the moment though, not Home Secretary who is surely far more exposed to this botched cover up?
Thank you, Barbara Bush, for standing for truth, decency, and freedom.
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https://x.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1851254056171552945
Tommy is in prison for a contempt of court, to which he pled guilty, unrelated to this case.
Obviously, police don't have much of choice, so I will retract any suggestion that they deserve it. But this is a cover up. And it is an absolute fucking disgrace.
https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1851246197287092555
Though ultimately Starmer is PM and needs to be honest
I’m with Big G on this one. Urgent Ricingate questions for Cooper to answer, what did she know and when.
He got banged up because he keeps repeating claims about a viral video, which the court has said are false and has been told not to repeat, but then he made a "documentary" about the wider case, the narrative being its a massive cover-up, which he keeps promoting / playing at gatherings.
He couldn't exactly plead not-guilty to the fact he made a film which has now been viewed many many millions of times online, so not exactly like he was over heard repeating the false claim to a mate in the pub.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c704eedkqkvo
“In the wake of the horrific murder of those three girls in Southport in July of this year I asked some questions saying: ‘Please tell us the truth, stop the online speculation.’ Well it’s taken a long time to find out more about the individual. He’s now been charged, believe it or not, under the Biological Weapons Act because the police have found ricin in his home. He’s been charged under the Terrorism Act, alleged to have downloaded Al-Qaeda terrorist materials. But the murder of the girls and the serious injury of the others that is still being treated as a non-terror incident because they don’t know what the motives were. We’ve also been told this afternoon there are other facts that we don’t yet know because the CPS say they will come out in good time in court and are not to be discussed now. So that’s all right then that all makes sense to you doesn’t it? Yes, absolutely.”
Best to use his originl name to avoid confusion.
Maybe you can chip into his crowd funder if its hurt his feelings
And we are only a hundred days in.
Coopers resignation will be a huge Honeymoon boost to the new Conservative leader, provided they don’t let Cooper and Starmer avoid answering good question due to ongoing inquiries.
What specifically do you think has been covered up?
All the PR about new audiences and bringing more money into the game was just that - the sums just didn't add up without overseas money bankrolling it like it bankrolls numerous otherwise unsustainable T20 leagues around the world.
The problem being, it'll be disastrous for English cricket as franchise cricket is a bubble that relies on Indian and oil money - which will always come with strings attached. So they'll take the money and sell off the summer, but what then? The casual fans they pitched at attracting will easily be drawn away by the next thing, especially if the spectacle's a bit second rate. While those who loved cricket before - who previously bankrolled the game by paying through the nose for Sky, tickets, and memberships - will no longer be as loyal.
Personally, the horrific Hundred needs to be stopped before its too late - even if it takes boycotts and interruptions of test matches, if we want a decent domestic game in this country.
Then I'd add 3 'counties' (Ireland, Scotland, AN other) so we can have a 3 division championship of 7 teams each. That's a 12 game season playing home and away. Add 3 more minor counties or invitational Associates to a 24 team One Day Cup - played with 6 Groups of 4 like a football Euros then a knockout - so not too many games but loads of meaningful ones. Play group games in a week early in the season then knock out rounds over the next weekends. Final in June.
Then for T20 I'd take the 21 'County' teams and split them into 3 groups of 7 by region, as The Blast is now. Top 2 qualify as of right. with 3rd and 4th in each group playing off for the remaining 3 spots in a finals league that fills The Hundred TV friendly slot over a few weeks in August. To ensure big test grounds are used if teams don't qualify have 'magic weekends' there. Then finals day as is now.
The women's game could then mirror it but with fewer teams, say an 8 county professional FC comp, and a development Div 2. A 16 team ODC, and a T20 like The Hundred now with some weekend double headers with men's games.
Job done. Slightly less cricket, but much more meaningful cricket. Plenty for Sky to get their teeth into. Though of course it won't be done as the ECB are only interested in lining their own wallets, not cricket.
Briefing the likely motive was mental health related at the time can be forgiven as naiveity or incompetance, but still saying they don't know what happened now is pushing it a bit too far.
Weirdly, though, Yaxley-Lennon's latest moniker 'Tommy Robinson' is rather weirdly named after a real person. Tommy Robinson was/is a Luton Town football hooligan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cevwgqz0x41t?post=asset:7aba2675-24b3-45ec-958a-af31e7a040cc#post
"We can also confirm that the incident is not currently being treated as terror-related and we are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident.
Now, if you say it's not being treated as terrorism, it can only mean it's because you have a good idea of what it is (e.g. personal, he knew the woman taking the class etc. etc.). I.e. it would come as a huge surprise if the motivation turned out to be terrorism.
The weasel words "not currently" don't mean anything.
People assumed the attacker was an asylum seeker. He wasn't. They assumed he was an immigrant. He wasn't they assumed the silly made-up Arabic-sounding name was correct. It wasn't.
Counter Terrorism Police have not declared the matter a terrorist incident.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo
Obviously was just a hobbyist chemist on the side.
I always considered the Hundred as the first step to getting rid of counties and getting to a system more akin to Aussie cricket at the top level.
At least Truss had to give a budget to crash the economy.
He was locked up for contempt of court. He told lies about a kid. A court case decided they were lies and told him to stop saying them. He kept on saying them. Contempt of court. He pled guilty.