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Senatus Populusque – Previewing November’s other elections – politicalbetting.com

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Part I – The Senate

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  • Part II shall follow at 8pm.

  • Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    I think the Senate goes GOP even if Harris wins and the House goes Dem.

    For even if the blue wall states go for Harris and Democratic Senators the GOP just need to take West Virginia and Montana to win the Senate and both will go Trump comfortably
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,409

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    Proper cricket is the only reason I've got Sky. I don't watch much, if any, of the Hundred.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    I think keeping the Hundred is OK - it won't appeal to Ydoethur, DavidL and TSE purists, but it's not that bad - particularly for women's cricket.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,098
    Thank-you for the header and the work involved.

    The only things missing are all the scandals; I've been watching but I am sure there are some I missed.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.
  • darkage said:

    In a workplace situation you just don't start touching up women, let alone ones much younger than and more junior to you. Of course it's serious if you do it. Imagine being the woman. You don't know it's just mild flirtation. You just know some pissed-up, older bloke in a position of significant authority is touching you up. You have no idea what's coming next but you know what might be.

    Even though I disagree with him politically, I think Aaron is generally a good guy and I feel very sorry for him that this has happened. But he not only crossed a red line but one that had flashing lights and huge warning signs above it.

    It seems like he admitted a mistake, participated in the process in good faith; but now gets the public shaming and condemnation anyway. I don't want to try and excuse what happened but how are you supposed to find a way forward with this report published in the public domain? It is a life changing event, it severely limits the opportunities available to him going forward. Is this really a proportionate punishment?

    I think that this is another reason why Trump is interesting, he shrugs off and rebuts accusations of various 'misconduct' and something like 50% of people vote for him anyway.

    There is something about the appeal of the bad guy/risk taker that prevails over whatever the prevailing culture is; a feature of human nature.

    What do you propose should be different and why?

    Justice should be done and seen to be done.

    If you do the wrong thing you should own the consequences. Personal accountability and all that jazz. The "shaming and condemnation" is entirely self-inflicted but comes with an acknowledgement that he admitted a mistake - but it was a mistake, an incredibly serious one.

    People do not go to work to be abused and workplaces should and nowadays do have zero tolerance policies for a good reason.

    Yes Trump wallows in doing the wrong thing and that's attractive to some people - and utterly repulsive to others. If the GOP had anyone other than Trump at this election they'd almost certainly have walked it under the circumstances (people do not feel richer than 4 years ago). His "grab them by the pussy" attitude is not one to be emulated or endorsed.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,339
    Typo in the header. Worst case for the Republicans is 46, not 48.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    Pulpstar said:

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    I think keeping the Hundred is OK - it won't appeal to Ydoethur, DavidL and TSE purists and other sane people, but it's not that bad - particularly for women's cricket.
    FTFY
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,015
    The Democrats' best hope - which is unlikely, but far from impossible - is probably to lose a couple of seats (W Virginia and Montana), while picking up Texas and the independent winning in Nebraska.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,339
    Taking the polling at face value, and noting that House seats can be gerrymandered by Republican-leaning states, I think we should take seriously the chance that the Republicans win the Presidency and the House, but are on 48 or 49 Senators, and so fail to take the Senate.

    It would require the Democrats to do a bit better in the Senate than the polling - they'd have to win two of Montana, Florida and Texas, and lose only West Virginia, with Osborn winning in Nebraska - but it's not outlandish.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,794
    HYUFD said:

    I think the Senate goes GOP even if Harris wins and the House goes Dem.

    For even if the blue wall states go for Harris and Democratic Senators the GOP just need to take West Virginia and Montana to win the Senate and both will go Trump comfortably

    Yes, that is the way I see it too. 51-49 to the GOP is a good result for the Democrats on a difficult playing field and where I think it will end up.

    I still think Harris will win and I think the Dems will also take the House by a smallish margin after the fiascos of the last 2 years.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,339
    Also, I think there are nearly 800k people per House seat in California, but less than 600k for Wyoming's single seat. Because the House has been frozen at 438 members for at least a century (I think) it has slowly become less proportional as the population continues to grow and move away from rural States.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,794
    Andy_JS said:

    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.

    If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
  • DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.

    If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
    The other issue is no free-to-air broadcaster bids for the full rights for tests.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,362

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.

    If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
    The other issue is no free-to-air broadcaster bids for the full rights for tests.
    No channel can afford to spend 5 days showing a test match - the audience isn't there to generate the advertising revenue..
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,409

    Also, I think there are nearly 800k people per House seat in California, but less than 600k for Wyoming's single seat. Because the House has been frozen at 438 members for at least a century (I think) it has slowly become less proportional as the population continues to grow and move away from rural States.

    Didn't they add a couple (?3) of seats when Alaska and Hawaii joined?
    The USA really doesn't deserve the description of 'democracy'!
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,913
    Do the polls underestimate Donald Trump?
    Or could they be underestimating Kamala Harris?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXqkj-q7zks
  • kinabalu said:

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    Proper cricket is the only reason I've got Sky. I don't watch much, if any, of the Hundred.
    PB is a place where however strong the consensus you'll normally find at least one person questioning it.

    However the awfulness of The Hundred would appear to be an exception to this.
    Keeping up with the PB tradition - I disagree.

    The Hundred is only form of cricket that my partner enjoys watching. Every other format gets banished to the other room or the radio. This preference may well be incorrect on every level, but if it can get a non-cricket person at least watch a few games who knows they may eventually get into a test match. That is surely a good thing.

    For me whinging about The Hundred is a bit like real ale types (which I am also one) whinging about craft keg beer. Yes it is fizzy, yes it is cold and dead, but at least it’s got some flavour - and it has to be better than drinking Madri. And maybe, those enjoying a pint a Deya Steady Rolling Man eventually plump for a Cask Jaipur or something else.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    Also, I think there are nearly 800k people per House seat in California, but less than 600k for Wyoming's single seat. Because the House has been frozen at 438 members for at least a century (I think) it has slowly become less proportional as the population continues to grow and move away from rural States.

    Didn't they add a couple (?3) of seats when Alaska and Hawaii joined?
    The USA really doesn't deserve the description of 'democracy'!
    The House is frozen at 435. Alaska and Hawaii had a temporary seat each until the next census when redistricting occurred.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,759

    darkage said:

    In a workplace situation you just don't start touching up women, let alone ones much younger than and more junior to you. Of course it's serious if you do it. Imagine being the woman. You don't know it's just mild flirtation. You just know some pissed-up, older bloke in a position of significant authority is touching you up. You have no idea what's coming next but you know what might be.

    Even though I disagree with him politically, I think Aaron is generally a good guy and I feel very sorry for him that this has happened. But he not only crossed a red line but one that had flashing lights and huge warning signs above it.

    It seems like he admitted a mistake, participated in the process in good faith; but now gets the public shaming and condemnation anyway. I don't want to try and excuse what happened but how are you supposed to find a way forward with this report published in the public domain? It is a life changing event, it severely limits the opportunities available to him going forward. Is this really a proportionate punishment?

    I think that this is another reason why Trump is interesting, he shrugs off and rebuts accusations of various 'misconduct' and something like 50% of people vote for him anyway.

    There is something about the appeal of the bad guy/risk taker that prevails over whatever the prevailing culture is; a feature of human nature.

    What do you propose should be different and why?

    Justice should be done and seen to be done.

    If you do the wrong thing you should own the consequences. Personal accountability and all that jazz. The "shaming and condemnation" is entirely self-inflicted but comes with an acknowledgement that he admitted a mistake - but it was a mistake, an incredibly serious one.

    People do not go to work to be abused and workplaces should and nowadays do have zero tolerance policies for a good reason.

    Yes Trump wallows in doing the wrong thing and that's attractive to some people - and utterly repulsive to others. If the GOP had anyone other than Trump at this election they'd almost certainly have walked it under the circumstances (people do not feel richer than 4 years ago). His "grab them by the pussy" attitude is not one to be emulated or endorsed.
    I think it is perfectly possible to believe that it is right that sexual harassment is taken extremely seriously and also that it is a very sad situation for everyone involved, that someone did something stupid when drunk that they feel genuinely remorseful for. It is a reminder that often bad things are done by those who are not bad people.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,339
    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.

    If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
    The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.

    At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.

    It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 492

    kinabalu said:

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    Proper cricket is the only reason I've got Sky. I don't watch much, if any, of the Hundred.
    PB is a place where however strong the consensus you'll normally find at least one person questioning it.

    However the awfulness of The Hundred would appear to be an exception to this.
    Keeping up with the PB tradition - I disagree.

    The Hundred is only form of cricket that my partner enjoys watching. Every other format gets banished to the other room or the radio. This preference may well be incorrect on every level, but if it can get a non-cricket person at least watch a few games who knows they may eventually get into a test match. That is surely a good thing.

    For me whinging about The Hundred is a bit like real ale types (which I am also one) whinging about craft keg beer. Yes it is fizzy, yes it is cold and dead, but at least it’s got some flavour - and it has to be better than drinking Madri. And maybe, those enjoying a pint a Deya Steady Rolling Man eventually plump for a Cask Jaipur or something else.
    Thornbridge are craft aren't they?
    Worryingly seems to have disappeared from local supermarkets.
    That the BBC won the rights to show the hundred is surely an indication that there were no other bidders.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,339

    Also, I think there are nearly 800k people per House seat in California, but less than 600k for Wyoming's single seat. Because the House has been frozen at 438 members for at least a century (I think) it has slowly become less proportional as the population continues to grow and move away from rural States.

    Didn't they add a couple (?3) of seats when Alaska and Hawaii joined?
    The USA really doesn't deserve the description of 'democracy'!
    They would have redistributed seats.

    I would call the US a democracy, despite its imperfections. I'm pretty confident that if Trump wins the vote he will become President, and that if Harris wins the vote by a wide enough margin she will also become President.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,722

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    The hundred isn't cricket. It's ghastly to watch and especially ghastly on tv.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,409

    Also, I think there are nearly 800k people per House seat in California, but less than 600k for Wyoming's single seat. Because the House has been frozen at 438 members for at least a century (I think) it has slowly become less proportional as the population continues to grow and move away from rural States.

    Didn't they add a couple (?3) of seats when Alaska and Hawaii joined?
    The USA really doesn't deserve the description of 'democracy'!
    They would have redistributed seats.

    I would call the US a democracy, despite its imperfections. I'm pretty confident that if Trump wins the vote he will become President, and that if Harris wins the vote by a wide enough margin she will also become President.
    I have to say, my friend, that you have more confidence than I do.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,339

    Also, I think there are nearly 800k people per House seat in California, but less than 600k for Wyoming's single seat. Because the House has been frozen at 438 members for at least a century (I think) it has slowly become less proportional as the population continues to grow and move away from rural States.

    Didn't they add a couple (?3) of seats when Alaska and Hawaii joined?
    The USA really doesn't deserve the description of 'democracy'!
    They would have redistributed seats.

    I would call the US a democracy, despite its imperfections. I'm pretty confident that if Trump wins the vote he will become President, and that if Harris wins the vote by a wide enough margin she will also become President.
    I have to say, my friend, that you have more confidence than I do.
    My natural state is one of optimism. My cynicism is born purely of experience.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110

    Taking the polling at face value, and noting that House seats can be gerrymandered by Republican-leaning states, I think we should take seriously the chance that the Republicans win the Presidency and the House, but are on 48 or 49 Senators, and so fail to take the Senate.

    It would require the Democrats to do a bit better in the Senate than the polling - they'd have to win two of Montana, Florida and Texas, and lose only West Virginia, with Osborn winning in Nebraska - but it's not outlandish.

    I'm sceptical.

    While either Florida or Texas could fall in a midterm election with an unpopular Republican President (particularly one where there was an abortion ballot proposition for voters), I just don't see it in a Presidential election year.

    My gut is that the Republicans don't lose any States in the Senate, and pick up (at the very least) West Virginia. That's the high like watermark for the Democrats. And it is much more likely that Tester in Montana falls too.

    (His chances are not zero. He is personally popular, and he managed to be reelected in 2012 which was midterm Obama and where he bested his Republican opponent by 4 percentage points.)
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,076

    Also, I think there are nearly 800k people per House seat in California, but less than 600k for Wyoming's single seat. Because the House has been frozen at 438 members for at least a century (I think) it has slowly become less proportional as the population continues to grow and move away from rural States.

    Didn't they add a couple (?3) of seats when Alaska and Hawaii joined?
    The USA really doesn't deserve the description of 'democracy'!
    I've heard that's what they say about us!

    Good afternoon, everybody.
  • Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    Proper cricket is the only reason I've got Sky. I don't watch much, if any, of the Hundred.
    PB is a place where however strong the consensus you'll normally find at least one person questioning it.

    However the awfulness of The Hundred would appear to be an exception to this.
    Keeping up with the PB tradition - I disagree.

    The Hundred is only form of cricket that my partner enjoys watching. Every other format gets banished to the other room or the radio. This preference may well be incorrect on every level, but if it can get a non-cricket person at least watch a few games who knows they may eventually get into a test match. That is surely a good thing.

    For me whinging about The Hundred is a bit like real ale types (which I am also one) whinging about craft keg beer. Yes it is fizzy, yes it is cold and dead, but at least it’s got some flavour - and it has to be better than drinking Madri. And maybe, those enjoying a pint a Deya Steady Rolling Man eventually plump for a Cask Jaipur or something else.
    Thornbridge are craft aren't they?
    Worryingly seems to have disappeared from local supermarkets.
    That the BBC won the rights to show the hundred is surely an indication that there were no other bidders.
    I guess they are “Craft.” But the best dispenser for their Jaipur beer is, in my opinion, cask conditioned. You can get it in keg - so served from a font like most mainstream lagers. Keg is not technically real ale, so CAMRA militants can get a bit tetchy about it. Perhaps a better example would have been Timothy Taylors Landlord.

    As far as I know their business is still going ok. They are just about to open a bar down in London - working with the mob Pivovar. They also recently rescued the Burton Unions from Marstons. So still trying new things.

    I would like to believe that ECB gave BBC some Hundred games is to keep at least some Cricket on free-to-view rather than any other reasons. Much like how the RL challenge cup is on beeb (which also gives a bit of a showcase to the women’s game).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,390

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    Proper cricket is the only reason I've got Sky. I don't watch much, if any, of the Hundred.
    The hundred is utter dross. I'd rather watch Cricket Max than the hundred. Genuinely.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,390

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    The hundred isn't cricket. It's ghastly to watch and especially ghastly on tv.
    If you could turn off the faux computer game graphics I'd be more inclined to watch it. But you can't.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110

    kinabalu said:

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    Proper cricket is the only reason I've got Sky. I don't watch much, if any, of the Hundred.
    PB is a place where however strong the consensus you'll normally find at least one person questioning it.

    However the awfulness of The Hundred would appear to be an exception to this.
    Keeping up with the PB tradition - I disagree.

    The Hundred is only form of cricket that my partner enjoys watching. Every other format gets banished to the other room or the radio. This preference may well be incorrect on every level, but if it can get a non-cricket person at least watch a few games who knows they may eventually get into a test match. That is surely a good thing.

    For me whinging about The Hundred is a bit like real ale types (which I am also one) whinging about craft keg beer. Yes it is fizzy, yes it is cold and dead, but at least it’s got some flavour - and it has to be better than drinking Madri. And maybe, those enjoying a pint a Deya Steady Rolling Man eventually plump for a Cask Jaipur or something else.
    I saw a woman's Hundred game at Lords in the summer, and you know what... I enjoyed it.

    (The beer may have helped.)
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    darkage said:

    In a workplace situation you just don't start touching up women, let alone ones much younger than and more junior to you. Of course it's serious if you do it. Imagine being the woman. You don't know it's just mild flirtation. You just know some pissed-up, older bloke in a position of significant authority is touching you up. You have no idea what's coming next but you know what might be.

    Even though I disagree with him politically, I think Aaron is generally a good guy and I feel very sorry for him that this has happened. But he not only crossed a red line but one that had flashing lights and huge warning signs above it.

    It seems like he admitted a mistake, participated in the process in good faith; but now gets the public shaming and condemnation anyway. I don't want to try and excuse what happened but how are you supposed to find a way forward with this report published in the public domain? It is a life changing event, it severely limits the opportunities available to him going forward. Is this really a proportionate punishment?

    I think that this is another reason why Trump is interesting, he shrugs off and rebuts accusations of various 'misconduct' and something like 50% of people vote for him anyway.

    There is something about the appeal of the bad guy/risk taker that prevails over whatever the prevailing culture is; a feature of human nature.

    What do you propose should be different and why?

    Justice should be done and seen to be done.

    If you do the wrong thing you should own the consequences. Personal accountability and all that jazz. The "shaming and condemnation" is entirely self-inflicted but comes with an acknowledgement that he admitted a mistake - but it was a mistake, an incredibly serious one.

    People do not go to work to be abused and workplaces should and nowadays do have zero tolerance policies for a good reason.

    Yes Trump wallows in doing the wrong thing and that's attractive to some people - and utterly repulsive to others. If the GOP had anyone other than Trump at this election they'd almost certainly have walked it under the circumstances (people do not feel richer than 4 years ago). His "grab them by the pussy" attitude is not one to be emulated or endorsed.
    It isn't just 'some' people, it is 50% of voters who are at least tolerant of Trump; and it just isn't obvious that the Republicans would be winning by a mile if there was a different candidate. I think that part of this is a rejection of a dominant cultural worldview, based on what they would identify as 'common sense'.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,242

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    Proper cricket is the only reason I've got Sky. I don't watch much, if any, of the Hundred.
    The hundred is utter dross. I'd rather watch Cricket Max than the hundred. Genuinely.
    BBC are quite happy to spend my licence fee on clown cricket but are too skint to pay for the market data feed from Morningstar which is actually quite useful and which stands to be discontinued after the end of November.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687

    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.bsky.social‬
    ·
    54m

    "It was the opposite of Nazism" -- RFK Jr on Trump's MSG rally
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    Decided to do another book adjustment: £100 on Harris at 2.64

    Trump +395/ Harris +830.

    The early vote isn't getting any better for her but everyone* might be reading too much into it. Democrats still have a substantial vote lead in places like PA !
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    darkage said:

    darkage said:

    In a workplace situation you just don't start touching up women, let alone ones much younger than and more junior to you. Of course it's serious if you do it. Imagine being the woman. You don't know it's just mild flirtation. You just know some pissed-up, older bloke in a position of significant authority is touching you up. You have no idea what's coming next but you know what might be.

    Even though I disagree with him politically, I think Aaron is generally a good guy and I feel very sorry for him that this has happened. But he not only crossed a red line but one that had flashing lights and huge warning signs above it.

    It seems like he admitted a mistake, participated in the process in good faith; but now gets the public shaming and condemnation anyway. I don't want to try and excuse what happened but how are you supposed to find a way forward with this report published in the public domain? It is a life changing event, it severely limits the opportunities available to him going forward. Is this really a proportionate punishment?

    I think that this is another reason why Trump is interesting, he shrugs off and rebuts accusations of various 'misconduct' and something like 50% of people vote for him anyway.

    There is something about the appeal of the bad guy/risk taker that prevails over whatever the prevailing culture is; a feature of human nature.

    What do you propose should be different and why?

    Justice should be done and seen to be done.

    If you do the wrong thing you should own the consequences. Personal accountability and all that jazz. The "shaming and condemnation" is entirely self-inflicted but comes with an acknowledgement that he admitted a mistake - but it was a mistake, an incredibly serious one.

    People do not go to work to be abused and workplaces should and nowadays do have zero tolerance policies for a good reason.

    Yes Trump wallows in doing the wrong thing and that's attractive to some people - and utterly repulsive to others. If the GOP had anyone other than Trump at this election they'd almost certainly have walked it under the circumstances (people do not feel richer than 4 years ago). His "grab them by the pussy" attitude is not one to be emulated or endorsed.
    It isn't just 'some' people, it is 50% of voters who are at least tolerant of Trump; and it just isn't obvious that the Republicans would be winning by a mile if there was a different candidate. I think that part of this is a rejection of a dominant cultural worldview, based on what they would identify as 'common sense'.
    Half of voters expect to be better off under Trump.

    And people - 99% of the time - will excuse almost anything if they personally think they will be better off.

    Personally, I think the Harris campaign should focused on Trump's 10% tariff, and the impact it would have on prices of everyday items in shops. Because I think there are few things that will make average Americans poorer than that.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,242


    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.bsky.social‬
    ·
    54m

    "It was the opposite of Nazism" -- RFK Jr on Trump's MSG rally

    Just as bad, then.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,574
    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    darkage said:

    In a workplace situation you just don't start touching up women, let alone ones much younger than and more junior to you. Of course it's serious if you do it. Imagine being the woman. You don't know it's just mild flirtation. You just know some pissed-up, older bloke in a position of significant authority is touching you up. You have no idea what's coming next but you know what might be.

    Even though I disagree with him politically, I think Aaron is generally a good guy and I feel very sorry for him that this has happened. But he not only crossed a red line but one that had flashing lights and huge warning signs above it.

    It seems like he admitted a mistake, participated in the process in good faith; but now gets the public shaming and condemnation anyway. I don't want to try and excuse what happened but how are you supposed to find a way forward with this report published in the public domain? It is a life changing event, it severely limits the opportunities available to him going forward. Is this really a proportionate punishment?

    I think that this is another reason why Trump is interesting, he shrugs off and rebuts accusations of various 'misconduct' and something like 50% of people vote for him anyway.

    There is something about the appeal of the bad guy/risk taker that prevails over whatever the prevailing culture is; a feature of human nature.

    What do you propose should be different and why?

    Justice should be done and seen to be done.

    If you do the wrong thing you should own the consequences. Personal accountability and all that jazz. The "shaming and condemnation" is entirely self-inflicted but comes with an acknowledgement that he admitted a mistake - but it was a mistake, an incredibly serious one.

    People do not go to work to be abused and workplaces should and nowadays do have zero tolerance policies for a good reason.

    Yes Trump wallows in doing the wrong thing and that's attractive to some people - and utterly repulsive to others. If the GOP had anyone other than Trump at this election they'd almost certainly have walked it under the circumstances (people do not feel richer than 4 years ago). His "grab them by the pussy" attitude is not one to be emulated or endorsed.
    It isn't just 'some' people, it is 50% of voters who are at least tolerant of Trump; and it just isn't obvious that the Republicans would be winning by a mile if there was a different candidate. I think that part of this is a rejection of a dominant cultural worldview, based on what they would identify as 'common sense'.
    Half of voters expect to be better off under Trump.

    And people - 99% of the time - will excuse almost anything if they personally think they will be better off.

    Personally, I think the Harris campaign should focused on Trump's 10% tariff, and the impact it would have on prices of everyday items in shops. Because I think there are few things that will make average Americans poorer than that.
    I think you're underestimating the political appeal of autarky to American voters. Telling people that Trump will make it more expensive to import goods isn't a vote loser for him.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    darkage said:

    In a workplace situation you just don't start touching up women, let alone ones much younger than and more junior to you. Of course it's serious if you do it. Imagine being the woman. You don't know it's just mild flirtation. You just know some pissed-up, older bloke in a position of significant authority is touching you up. You have no idea what's coming next but you know what might be.

    Even though I disagree with him politically, I think Aaron is generally a good guy and I feel very sorry for him that this has happened. But he not only crossed a red line but one that had flashing lights and huge warning signs above it.

    It seems like he admitted a mistake, participated in the process in good faith; but now gets the public shaming and condemnation anyway. I don't want to try and excuse what happened but how are you supposed to find a way forward with this report published in the public domain? It is a life changing event, it severely limits the opportunities available to him going forward. Is this really a proportionate punishment?

    I think that this is another reason why Trump is interesting, he shrugs off and rebuts accusations of various 'misconduct' and something like 50% of people vote for him anyway.

    There is something about the appeal of the bad guy/risk taker that prevails over whatever the prevailing culture is; a feature of human nature.

    What do you propose should be different and why?

    Justice should be done and seen to be done.

    If you do the wrong thing you should own the consequences. Personal accountability and all that jazz. The "shaming and condemnation" is entirely self-inflicted but comes with an acknowledgement that he admitted a mistake - but it was a mistake, an incredibly serious one.

    People do not go to work to be abused and workplaces should and nowadays do have zero tolerance policies for a good reason.

    Yes Trump wallows in doing the wrong thing and that's attractive to some people - and utterly repulsive to others. If the GOP had anyone other than Trump at this election they'd almost certainly have walked it under the circumstances (people do not feel richer than 4 years ago). His "grab them by the pussy" attitude is not one to be emulated or endorsed.
    It isn't just 'some' people, it is 50% of voters who are at least tolerant of Trump; and it just isn't obvious that the Republicans would be winning by a mile if there was a different candidate. I think that part of this is a rejection of a dominant cultural worldview, based on what they would identify as 'common sense'.
    Half of voters expect to be better off under Trump.

    And people - 99% of the time - will excuse almost anything if they personally think they will be better off.

    Personally, I think the Harris campaign should focused on Trump's 10% tariff, and the impact it would have on prices of everyday items in shops. Because I think there are few things that will make average Americans poorer than that.
    Yep, agree totally. I can't understand why they aren't hammering the tariff looney tunes thing like crazy. As Krugman says it is basically a new national sales tax. Maybe they are on TV spots in swing states?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    edited October 29
    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    darkage said:

    In a workplace situation you just don't start touching up women, let alone ones much younger than and more junior to you. Of course it's serious if you do it. Imagine being the woman. You don't know it's just mild flirtation. You just know some pissed-up, older bloke in a position of significant authority is touching you up. You have no idea what's coming next but you know what might be.

    Even though I disagree with him politically, I think Aaron is generally a good guy and I feel very sorry for him that this has happened. But he not only crossed a red line but one that had flashing lights and huge warning signs above it.

    It seems like he admitted a mistake, participated in the process in good faith; but now gets the public shaming and condemnation anyway. I don't want to try and excuse what happened but how are you supposed to find a way forward with this report published in the public domain? It is a life changing event, it severely limits the opportunities available to him going forward. Is this really a proportionate punishment?

    I think that this is another reason why Trump is interesting, he shrugs off and rebuts accusations of various 'misconduct' and something like 50% of people vote for him anyway.

    There is something about the appeal of the bad guy/risk taker that prevails over whatever the prevailing culture is; a feature of human nature.

    What do you propose should be different and why?

    Justice should be done and seen to be done.

    If you do the wrong thing you should own the consequences. Personal accountability and all that jazz. The "shaming and condemnation" is entirely self-inflicted but comes with an acknowledgement that he admitted a mistake - but it was a mistake, an incredibly serious one.

    People do not go to work to be abused and workplaces should and nowadays do have zero tolerance policies for a good reason.

    Yes Trump wallows in doing the wrong thing and that's attractive to some people - and utterly repulsive to others. If the GOP had anyone other than Trump at this election they'd almost certainly have walked it under the circumstances (people do not feel richer than 4 years ago). His "grab them by the pussy" attitude is not one to be emulated or endorsed.
    It isn't just 'some' people, it is 50% of voters who are at least tolerant of Trump; and it just isn't obvious that the Republicans would be winning by a mile if there was a different candidate. I think that part of this is a rejection of a dominant cultural worldview, based on what they would identify as 'common sense'.
    Half of voters expect to be better off under Trump.

    And people - 99% of the time - will excuse almost anything if they personally think they will be better off.

    Personally, I think the Harris campaign should focused on Trump's 10% tariff, and the impact it would have on prices of everyday items in shops. Because I think there are few things that will make average Americans poorer than that.
    Isn't his plan to reduce federal income tax though ? The analysis I've seen is that the dollar would substantially strengthen with a Trump win. As it's an energy independent nation, ceteris paribus the economy essentially becomes vertically integrated and it's actually worse for the rest of the world rather than the US...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    Pulpstar said:

    Decided to do another book adjustment: £100 on Harris at 2.64

    Trump +395/ Harris +830.

    The early vote isn't getting any better for her but everyone* might be reading too much into it. Democrats still have a substantial vote lead in places like PA !

    Harris is at 2.74.

    I think that is now value given we just don't know whether the polls have over compensated for shy trumpsters.

    I have taken a new nibble.

  • eekeek Posts: 28,362

    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    darkage said:

    In a workplace situation you just don't start touching up women, let alone ones much younger than and more junior to you. Of course it's serious if you do it. Imagine being the woman. You don't know it's just mild flirtation. You just know some pissed-up, older bloke in a position of significant authority is touching you up. You have no idea what's coming next but you know what might be.

    Even though I disagree with him politically, I think Aaron is generally a good guy and I feel very sorry for him that this has happened. But he not only crossed a red line but one that had flashing lights and huge warning signs above it.

    It seems like he admitted a mistake, participated in the process in good faith; but now gets the public shaming and condemnation anyway. I don't want to try and excuse what happened but how are you supposed to find a way forward with this report published in the public domain? It is a life changing event, it severely limits the opportunities available to him going forward. Is this really a proportionate punishment?

    I think that this is another reason why Trump is interesting, he shrugs off and rebuts accusations of various 'misconduct' and something like 50% of people vote for him anyway.

    There is something about the appeal of the bad guy/risk taker that prevails over whatever the prevailing culture is; a feature of human nature.

    What do you propose should be different and why?

    Justice should be done and seen to be done.

    If you do the wrong thing you should own the consequences. Personal accountability and all that jazz. The "shaming and condemnation" is entirely self-inflicted but comes with an acknowledgement that he admitted a mistake - but it was a mistake, an incredibly serious one.

    People do not go to work to be abused and workplaces should and nowadays do have zero tolerance policies for a good reason.

    Yes Trump wallows in doing the wrong thing and that's attractive to some people - and utterly repulsive to others. If the GOP had anyone other than Trump at this election they'd almost certainly have walked it under the circumstances (people do not feel richer than 4 years ago). His "grab them by the pussy" attitude is not one to be emulated or endorsed.
    It isn't just 'some' people, it is 50% of voters who are at least tolerant of Trump; and it just isn't obvious that the Republicans would be winning by a mile if there was a different candidate. I think that part of this is a rejection of a dominant cultural worldview, based on what they would identify as 'common sense'.
    Half of voters expect to be better off under Trump.

    And people - 99% of the time - will excuse almost anything if they personally think they will be better off.

    Personally, I think the Harris campaign should focused on Trump's 10% tariff, and the impact it would have on prices of everyday items in shops. Because I think there are few things that will make average Americans poorer than that.
    Yep, agree totally. I can't understand why they aren't hammering the tariff looney tunes thing like crazy. As Krugman says it is basically a new national sales tax. Maybe they are on TV spots in swing states?
    Because while Krugman understands it - the story is too complex to explain in a few words and has multiple steps in it..
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited October 29

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    edited October 29

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.

    If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
    The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.

    At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.

    It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
    Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157

    Pulpstar said:

    Decided to do another book adjustment: £100 on Harris at 2.64

    Trump +395/ Harris +830.

    The early vote isn't getting any better for her but everyone* might be reading too much into it. Democrats still have a substantial vote lead in places like PA !

    Harris is at 2.74.

    I think that is now value given we just don't know whether the polls have over compensated for shy trumpsters.

    I have taken a new nibble.

    Yeah but I'm on the premium charge with Betfair and Trump is at 0 in the book there. So backing an additional £100 there only effectively gets me 2.19 ! Of course it's undone if I back Trump but I think for extra I need to back Harris even at lower prices at Smarkets :E
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,006
    edited October 29

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
    Extensive press conference by Merseyside Police on Sky
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,566

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
    "Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".
  • eekeek Posts: 28,362

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.

    If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
    The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.

    At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.

    It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
    Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I found it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
    Only thing I watch is F1 which I can get direct from F1 for £8 a month...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,936
    Well at least there's good news about the cricket.

    PB's legion of free market cricket fans will be delighted that the market is working as intended.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,171

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
    Heads should roll over this. Utterly disgraceful for the police to go into bat for terrorists.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,574

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
    Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.

    If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
    The other issue is no free-to-air broadcaster bids for the full rights for tests.
    No channel can afford to spend 5 days showing a test match - the audience isn't there to generate the advertising revenue..
    Er, Sky Sports Cricket manages it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,176
    tlg86 said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
    Heads should roll over this. Utterly disgraceful for the police to go into bat for terrorists.
    They should be bowling at them, Shirley?

    What "go into bat for terrorists" are you referring to?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,015
    DC police Chief expects more than 50K people tonight for VP Harris event on Ellipse. New permit estimates 40,000 MPD says additional overflow crowd expected at Washington monument
    https://x.com/SegravesNBC4/status/1851262350931750976
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited October 29
    The question to be asked is how long into the investigation did they find he had the terrorist training manuals? There was a huge amount of media coverage that because the police say not treated as terrorism, it definitely isn't, so all the racist knuckle dragger should shut up and get off the streets.

    We also remember how weird the police were about releasing details, with the born in Cardiff etc.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,566
    carnforth said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
    "Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".
    Also:

    "However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."

    So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    The hundred isn't cricket. It's ghastly to watch and especially ghastly on tv.
    If you could turn off the faux computer game graphics I'd be more inclined to watch it. But you can't.
    Yeah, the graphics are nauseating. They look like something from the 1990s. What is the point of them?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,171

    tlg86 said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
    Heads should roll over this. Utterly disgraceful for the police to go into bat for terrorists.
    They should be bowling at them, Shirley?

    What "go into bat for terrorists" are you referring to?
    By giving the impression that it wasn't terrorism when it so obviously was terrorism.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,574
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
    "Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".
    Also:

    "However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."

    So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.
    Producing ricin is not just possessing pdfs.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,336
    edited October 29
    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024

    The registered Republican lead among early voters in Nevada is now up to 38,000, according to Ralston. That's down by 2,000 overnight, but up, by 5,000, from this point yesterday.

    The Nevada Senate seat has been considered safeish Democratic, but I wonder if it could be in play.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,566

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
    Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
    The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    Sean_F said:

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024

    The Republican lead among early voters in Nevada is now up to 38,000, according to Ralston. That's down by 2,000 overnight, but up, by 5,000, from this point yesterday.

    The Nevada Senate seat has been considered safeish Democratic, but I wonder if it could be in play.

    This is the main factor that is holding me back from dumping all my Trump profit tbh. Nevada earlies/mail are horrendous for Harris.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,566

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
    "Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".
    Also:

    "However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."

    So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.
    Producing ricin is not just possessing pdfs.
    True, but:

    "He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000"."

    Someone could be charged with that alone. They probably wouldn't be, but they could be - and that's not right.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited October 29
    There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.

    ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.

    But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,574
    carnforth said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
    Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
    The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/security-services-may-look-at-russia-and-farage-in-riots-probe_uk_66ba2494e4b0eabd2393a9a1

    Farage falsely claimed the police were not telling the whole truth around the tragedies in Southport shortly after the stabbings first happened, and suggested the suspect was already known to the security services.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,336
    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024

    The Republican lead among early voters in Nevada is now up to 38,000, according to Ralston. That's down by 2,000 overnight, but up, by 5,000, from this point yesterday.

    The Nevada Senate seat has been considered safeish Democratic, but I wonder if it could be in play.

    This is the main factor that is holding me back from dumping all my Trump profit tbh. Nevada earlies/mail are horrendous for Harris.
    Ralston says Harris probably has to have a lead of more than 10% among independents, to offset this, but that would be unprecedented.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited October 29
    A PDF, it could have been locked on encrypted drive, which could take weeks to get into, but the authorities would have known extremely quickly they had made been producing ricin when they raided the house.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,390
    No, no it wasn't terrorism, no, no. Oh wait. It was...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024

    The Republican lead among early voters in Nevada is now up to 38,000, according to Ralston. That's down by 2,000 overnight, but up, by 5,000, from this point yesterday.

    The Nevada Senate seat has been considered safeish Democratic, but I wonder if it could be in play.

    This is the main factor that is holding me back from dumping all my Trump profit tbh. Nevada earlies/mail are horrendous for Harris.
    Ralston says Harris probably has to have a lead of more than 10% among independents, to offset this, but that would be unprecedented.
    The female % (generally) of early vote is supposedly good for Harris, still she'd best hope the early/mail is reverting to pre-covid times as the GOP are undoubtedly doing better than in 2020 and 2022.
  • Sky crime correspondent saying ricin was discoverd in a tin at the suspects home
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,390

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.

    If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
    The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.

    At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.

    It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
    Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
    I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,390
    carnforth said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
    "Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".
    No comment is even easier - "No comment, its an ongoing investigation".
  • Sean_F said:

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024

    The registered Republican lead among early voters in Nevada is now up to 38,000, according to Ralston. That's down by 2,000 overnight, but up, by 5,000, from this point yesterday.

    The Nevada Senate seat has been considered safeish Democratic, but I wonder if it could be in play.

    The Republicans have been pumping money in the past week to the Senate race after considering it a bit of a no-hoper. So the short answer is yes. I'm not sure Rosen has that much of a personal vote to outstrip the Republicans' advantage.

    Apart from the mystery of the Clark mail-ins, the implications of the Washoe numbers don't look great either - it might suggest suburban-style seats which had been going from R to D might be pivoting back to R. Note one of the points that has been suggested is that, while the trans issue is not particularly visible at the national level, the Republicans are being very successful at targeting suburban voters with the issue.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited October 29
    Farage (and far worse people) are going to make absolute hay over this Southport story, especially coming on the back of the Kaba story the other week. It all plays straight into the narrative they are pushing about cover-ups.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,390

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    The hundred isn't cricket. It's ghastly to watch and especially ghastly on tv.
    If you could turn off the faux computer game graphics I'd be more inclined to watch it. But you can't.
    Yeah, the graphics are nauseating. They look like something from the 1990s. What is the point of them?
    To tell me to change channel I think...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,390
    carnforth said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
    Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
    The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
    A certain type of person (the racist ones) regards those of colour born to immigrants to be immigrants.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,566

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.

    If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
    The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.

    At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.

    It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
    Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I find it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
    I tend to agree. Back when I had more time (young son mitigates against any free time) I would watch Swindon or Bath Rugby on a weekend. Easily 30-50 quid, depending on extras etc. Thats a month of footy, some rugby, cricket and all the rest. Well worth it. And currently its ALL the sport I get to watch...
    You can also get it - through Sky budget subsidiary Now, at least - without a contract. I pay £35 twice a year for the two months the Tennis is on Sky.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited October 29

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    The hundred isn't cricket. It's ghastly to watch and especially ghastly on tv.
    If you could turn off the faux computer game graphics I'd be more inclined to watch it. But you can't.
    Yeah, the graphics are nauseating. They look like something from the 1990s. What is the point of them?
    It screams a load of oldies paid some marketing agency to design them, with the brief of we want it to be "funky" and "down with the kids".
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,336

    Sean_F said:

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024

    The registered Republican lead among early voters in Nevada is now up to 38,000, according to Ralston. That's down by 2,000 overnight, but up, by 5,000, from this point yesterday.

    The Nevada Senate seat has been considered safeish Democratic, but I wonder if it could be in play.

    The Republicans have been pumping money in the past week to the Senate race after considering it a bit of a no-hoper. So the short answer is yes. I'm not sure Rosen has that much of a personal vote to outstrip the Republicans' advantage.

    Apart from the mystery of the Clark mail-ins, the implications of the Washoe numbers don't look great either - it might suggest suburban-style seats which had been going from R to D might be pivoting back to R. Note one of the points that has been suggested is that, while the trans issue is not particularly visible at the national level, the Republicans are being very successful at targeting suburban voters with the issue.
    Ralston says, too, there's an unusual level of early in-person voting in rural counties that are heavily Republican.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Decided to do another book adjustment: £100 on Harris at 2.64

    Trump +395/ Harris +830.

    The early vote isn't getting any better for her but everyone* might be reading too much into it. Democrats still have a substantial vote lead in places like PA !

    True re PA but the lead has come down around 5pp over the past few days so look for whether the gap narrows further.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,566
    Cheer up, it's not only Scotland who can't build ferries:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk40rk54p7o

    (Or, in this case, ports.)
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,355

    There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.

    ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.

    But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.

    The T20 is also great for clubs like mine, Durham. We regularly get good crowds and it is great for the concessions in the ground as well as Chester itself. The street food and the other concessions do well and it is a great day out.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited October 29

    carnforth said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
    Wasn't the crux of the 'fake news' story that he was known to the security services?
    The crux was that he was an immigrant, which he wasn't, IIRC.
    A certain type of person (the racist ones) regards those of colour born to immigrants to be immigrants.
    One tricky narrative that some want to shut down is the difficult question of why it seems a proportion of 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants were dragged into thing like ISIS, when the parents are law abiding, hard working, many come comfortable backgrounds.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,977
    @edokeefe
    Vice President @kamalaharris’ campaign will advertise on the Las Vegas Sphere, becoming the first political campaign to do so, Las Vegas @cbsnews station ⁦⁦
    @8NewsNow⁩ has learned exclusively.

    https://x.com/edokeefe/status/1851288183578804427
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,714
    edited October 29
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
    "Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".
    Also:

    "However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."

    So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.
    Producing ricin is not just possessing pdfs.
    True, but:

    "He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000"."

    Someone could be charged with that alone. They probably wouldn't be, but they could be - and that's not right.
    A chemistry degree would appear to fall under that!
  • eekeek Posts: 28,362

    Sad news

    No more international cricket live on free-to-air TV as ECB fails to agree deal

    BBC offer too low but it keeps 15 live Hundred matches

    ECB can’t interest Channel 4 or ITV in four games a year


    The England men’s and women’s cricket teams are set to return fully behind the Sky Sports paywall next season following an extension to the BBC rights deal in which the corporation opted out of showing live internationals.

    The Guardian has learned that the ECB has been unable to secure a free-to-air TV deal for England’s Twenty20 internationals in a blow to its attempts to broaden cricket’s appeal. The ECB has been seeking to sell live rights to two men’s T20s and two women’s T20s a year on a four-year contract starting next summer, but has yet to receive an acceptable offer at the end of the tender process.

    The BBC, however, is understood to have reached a deal for live rights to 15 Hundred matches each season – seven in the men’s competition and eight in the women’s – as well as securing Test highlights.


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/29/cricket-england-ecb-fails-to-agree-free-tv-deal

    The hundred isn't cricket. It's ghastly to watch and especially ghastly on tv.
    If you could turn off the faux computer game graphics I'd be more inclined to watch it. But you can't.
    Yeah, the graphics are nauseating. They look like something from the 1990s. What is the point of them?
    It screams a load of oldies paid some marketing agency to design them, with the brief of we want it to be "funky" and "down with the kids".
    The one time I watched a bit of it I wondered who had let Janet Street-Porter near TV commissioning again. It felt like a poor quality Yoof program from the early 90s.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,630
    tlg86 said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related and the online stuff which got people out on the streets was all about a cover up of this being a terrorist attack and strange story of the soldier stabbing (which we still don't really know much about).
    Heads should roll over this. Utterly disgraceful for the police to go into bat for terrorists.
    That's the kind of cricket I would pay to watch.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,098
    darkage said:

    In a workplace situation you just don't start touching up women, let alone ones much younger than and more junior to you. Of course it's serious if you do it. Imagine being the woman. You don't know it's just mild flirtation. You just know some pissed-up, older bloke in a position of significant authority is touching you up. You have no idea what's coming next but you know what might be.

    Even though I disagree with him politically, I think Aaron is generally a good guy and I feel very sorry for him that this has happened. But he not only crossed a red line but one that had flashing lights and huge warning signs above it.

    It seems like he admitted a mistake, participated in the process in good faith; but now gets the public shaming and condemnation anyway. I don't want to try and excuse what happened but how are you supposed to find a way forward with this report published in the public domain? It is a life changing event, it severely limits the opportunities available to him going forward. Is this really a proportionate punishment?

    I think that this is another reason why Trump is interesting, he shrugs off and rebuts accusations of various 'misconduct' and something like 50% of people vote for him anyway.

    There is something about the appeal of the bad guy/risk taker that prevails over whatever the prevailing culture is; a feature of human nature.

    The reason these were made rather more public is because of a past culture of covering up abuse / bullying in the Palace of Westminster, lasting many decades.

    I don't have a problem with that being brought into the open.

    How else does one stop it?
  • Surely you mean the Oxford University Chancellor Election… that’s the most important ‘other’ election going on right now… as a voter in it I’m intrigued as to who will win. Is there any plans to write a post on it? And does anyone know any betting markets on it?
    In case anyone’s interested I first preferenced Grieve…
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,390
    Taz said:

    There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.

    ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.

    But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.

    The T20 is also great for clubs like mine, Durham. We regularly get good crowds and it is great for the concessions in the ground as well as Chester itself. The street food and the other concessions do well and it is a great day out.
    The games that will get the crowds are the T20's. I would have the Championship running Monday through to Thursday and then T20 over the weekend, spread over the summer (so in parallel). Back in the day the counties played 6 days a week with few issues. If you need to rest players do so. But a 10 ten Championship Div 1 is 18 games if home and away, or back to 9 each in Div 1 and 2 so 16. Easy to accommodate.

    Sure that doesn't give the appeal of a shorter tournament but I think it a better way to develop players in the longer games (spread over the whole of summer's varying conditions) and getting the crowds in on Friday night, Sat and Sun afternoon.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited October 29
    Taz said:

    There are a lot of issues with cricket, but it just can't support Hundred, T20 Blast and to lesser extent 50 over ODI cup competition. You got to pick one format, and it has to be T20, as that is what all the big leagues play.

    ECB tripling down on Hundred, it is already losing some of the best players to sodding Major League Cricket....They all want to play for the big bucks which is in T20 cricket, because the likes of the Indians bankroll it, and want a set of global competitions under a travelling tour of the same franchises.

    But the ECB pick a weird hybrid, that the counties don't like and potential investors don't like either.

    The T20 is also great for clubs like mine, Durham. We regularly get good crowds and it is great for the concessions in the ground as well as Chester itself. The street food and the other concessions do well and it is a great day out.
    We aren't exactly the target market, but I have been to a Hundred match and I thought it was gear grindingly cringe. And I don't mind a bit of Americanisation hype, been to plenty NFL, ice hockey, who all do it well even in the UK. A friend tells me Cardiff Devils ice hockey is sell out every game, mostly because of the atmosphere they generate without it being skin crawling.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,339
    A bit of pre-Budget arithmetic.

    The 2024 spring budget forecast tax receipts of £1,139bn in fiscal year 2024-25. That's an average of £16,500 per head of population (assuming a population of 69 million).

    There are 33.37 million people in work in the UK, so it's just over £34,100 in tax per person in employment. Average earnings are just over £36,000.

    The latest opinion poll I saw on the topic suggested that people were on average willing to pay an extra £10 in tax. If paid per head of population that would raise £690 million.

    The budget deficit is over £80bn.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,390
    Selebian said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Sky

    Southport killer charged with terrorism

    The teenager accused of the stabbing murders of three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an Al Qaeda training manual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

    This isn't going to help all conspiracy theory stuff, as the police were very quick to say not terrorist related.
    "Not being treated as terrorism". Not quite the same. I suppose they could start saying "Not currently being treated as terrorism".
    Also:

    "However, police have not declared the events of 29 July a terrorist incident. "For a matter to be declared as a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established," Chief Constable Kennedy said."

    So we're charging people just for having PDFs on their hard drives again. Lucky no-one went around checking hard drives for the Anarchist's Cookbook when I was a teenager.
    Producing ricin is not just possessing pdfs.
    True, but:

    "He also faces a terror charge of possession of information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000"."

    Someone could be charged with that alone. They probably wouldn't be, but they could be - and that's not right.
    A chemistry degree would appear to fall under that!
    One of my colleagues used to be in possession of mg scale amounts of a drug CC1065 that would kill hundreds in the right environment and be almost undetectable (binds to DNA causing multi-organ failure a few months after administration). The way he talks about what terrorists ought to do is fascinating/scary at the same time.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Test cricket should never been taken off the list of sports that had to be shown on free-to-air TV imo.

    If it had not been I frankly think we would have a lot of our best cricketers on the various T20 franchises earning proper money and simply not wasting their time playing test cricket. Be careful what you wish for.
    The Sky Sports contract is £220m per year. It's a lot of money.

    At £150 per ticket, for four days play, two Test matches at Lords (capacity 31,100) and one each at the Oval (27,500), Edgbaston (25,000), Trent Bridge (17,500), Headingley (18,350) and Old Trafford (26,000) you would generate just under £106m in gross revenue, but that's shared with the host ground, there are staging costs, and sometimes matches ends early or are disrupted by rain.

    It is hard to see how cricket in England could replace the Sky money. This kinda places Sky in a weird situation. They could drive a hard bargain, because there's no-one willing to pay half as much, but if they do so the game could really struggle, and they'd have a less valuable spectacle to show viewers.
    Sky Sports is also very cheap for what you get. It is by far the best value of any subscription TV service, about £30-40 pcm for 4k UHD sports of all kinds. If you like sport, it really is a no-brainer, such that I found it hard to understand why some purported sports fans avoid it (unless they are skint, in which case fair enough).
    Only thing I watch is F1 which I can get direct from F1 for £8 a month...
    Right, well if F1 is the only sport you like that makes fair sense, but most people like football, rugby, cricket, tennis etc etc too.
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