A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
Yet it's those children who are most likely to be overweight that are most likely to be already eligible for FSMs, and those is households most likely not to have access to a car.
I have no answer except a much wider ranging tax, perhaps based on calories per gram. I'd also reform the ridiculous portion size stats and simply have the total calories in a box/bottle at 72pt font on the front - box of Weetabix minis is 2000 kcal.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
That I think can work, but it assumes the state gets it right. It probably will, but may not - so some fuzziness at the edges is required.
An example might be particular allergies, or special diets which schools cannot meet - our system will address needs, but often not until there is wider evidence.
An example is that since at least the 1990s moderate or low-carb diets have been used to control blood sugar levels in diabetes; the mechanism is that blood glucose levels are proportion to carbohydrate intake (subject to possible variation around other factors, such as time of day).
But the "Healthy Diet" has not acknowledged this, and it has taken decades for the system to get on board with this; the mechanism for *that* is that specialists, researchers or enthusiasts notice what works for their patients, and then it soaks into the system through trials, small clinics, conferences, and then becomes the standard when evidenced at scale, then goes back the other way as 'approved' - subject to checks and balances.
That's just how it works sociologically, so there need to be grey edges and loopholes.
It's broadly the system in France:
There is only one choice on the menu, and food is served to children at the table until they are finished primary school (at 12 years old). This may be why the place where lunch is eaten is called a 'restaurant scolaire' (school restaurant).
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.
It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.
It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
What a great idea. We should be here to serve the NHS, not the other way round.
Perhaps we could nationalise Hello Fresh and Gousto and use them to deliver to each family what we think they should have over a week to maintain a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle and ban Deliveroo and Uber Eats.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
Great header - I think the concept of “losers consent” doesn’t perhaps get the consideration it should.
To some extent the Hilary Clinton campaign and Democrat party did the opposite to Gore. The lesson they took from Bush / Gore was not that the honourable thing to do is to concede and go and do something worthy / or make a pretty dull film (delete according to your prejudices). But instead that the Republicans will keep fighting until the end. Bush was/may have been the loser but simply didn’t consent to it - he brazened it out until Gore folded.
So in 2016 Democratic Party cast aspirations about the legitimacy of the Trump election and didn’t stop after the inauguration. Some of the chat about Russia inevitably was about that (although it remains my view that Trump is and was Putin’s preference and make of that what you will). The Democrats (or some of them) didn’t consent to the result. They couldn’t believe Trump could have won legitimately so there must have been something afoot.
Trump in 2020 and everything since then was simply an upping the ante. Almost “you think you Democrats can go low, just a look at the depths I can reach.” What that means for 2024 who can tell. In a country divided with no side giving an inch and a real risk of neither loser conceding gracefully, where do you go next? In an ideal world one side should get such a thumping any questioning of the result can be seen for what it really is being a sore loser. But it isn’t shaping up like that.
Democracy without loser’s consent, on all sides, is a dangerous place to be.
I think it's generally recognised that Gore made a fatal mistake in not requesting a statewide recount. And given that, was right to concede.
As far as Clinton is concerned, it's important to note that she conceded the election, and did not contest it. Her ongoing objection was to the alleged illegalities around Trump's campaign. Even had he been successfully impeached, there would still have been a Republican president. No Democrat argued otherwise.
True - I guess from my perspective I think even if you concede pursuing legal action against the winning campaign doesn’t strike me as really conceding. Albeit those legal actions may be well founded.
And I guess that is one of the challenges with democracy. What if the other side does use illegal means to attain victory, yet it doesn’t emerge until after the event? How do you hold them to account after the dust has settled without causing greater division and spiralling violent rhetoric.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.
It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
Because we don't want to pay more taxes to improve it. You have yourself to blame.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
I have no doubt. But this is not how the "policy" has been presented to the nation.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.
It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
Because we don't want to pay more taxes to improve it. You have yourself to blame.
My concern is that most extra tax would simply be taken up by higher pay, headcount and prices - not output.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
That I think can work, but it assumes the state gets it right. It probably will, but may not - so some fuzziness at the edges is required.
An example might be particular allergies, or special diets which schools cannot meet - our system will address needs, but often not until there is wider evidence.
An example is that since at least the 1990s moderate or low-carb diets have been used to control blood sugar levels in diabetes; the mechanism is that blood glucose levels are proportion to carbohydrate intake (subject to possible variation around other factors, such as time of day).
But the "Healthy Diet" has not acknowledged this, and it has taken decades for the system to get on board with this; the mechanism for *that* is that specialists, researchers or enthusiasts notice what works for their patients, and then it soaks into the system through trials, small clinics, conferences, and then becomes the standard when evidenced at scale, then goes back the other way as 'approved' - subject to checks and balances.
That's just how it works sociologically, so there need to be grey edges and loopholes.
It's broadly the system in France:
There is only one choice on the menu, and food is served to children at the table until they are finished primary school (at 12 years old). This may be why the place where lunch is eaten is called a 'restaurant scolaire' (school restaurant).
How do they manage eg allergies that cause anaphylactic reactions?
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.
It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
Because we don't want to pay more taxes to improve it. You have yourself to blame.
The vast array of choice (and waste) at my son's comp costs £££.
One quality meal plus a vegetarian option, for all.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
I have no doubt. But this is not how the "policy" has been presented to the nation.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
There is a limit to what the government can do with wilfully stupid people in the media and consuming it. Particularly when they choose to misinterpret it for a political agenda.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
I have no doubt. But this is not how the "policy" has been presented to the nation.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
Is it the BBC's headlining of the policy or the substance of it that has angered you?
Great header - I think the concept of “losers consent” doesn’t perhaps get the consideration it should.
To some extent the Hilary Clinton campaign and Democrat party did the opposite to Gore. The lesson they took from Bush / Gore was not that the honourable thing to do is to concede and go and do something worthy / or make a pretty dull film (delete according to your prejudices). But instead that the Republicans will keep fighting until the end. Bush was/may have been the loser but simply didn’t consent to it - he brazened it out until Gore folded.
So in 2016 Democratic Party cast aspirations about the legitimacy of the Trump election and didn’t stop after the inauguration. Some of the chat about Russia inevitably was about that (although it remains my view that Trump is and was Putin’s preference and make of that what you will). The Democrats (or some of them) didn’t consent to the result. They couldn’t believe Trump could have won legitimately so there must have been something afoot.
Trump in 2020 and everything since then was simply an upping the ante. Almost “you think you Democrats can go low, just a look at the depths I can reach.” What that means for 2024 who can tell. In a country divided with no side giving an inch and a real risk of neither loser conceding gracefully, where do you go next? In an ideal world one side should get such a thumping any questioning of the result can be seen for what it really is being a sore loser. But it isn’t shaping up like that.
Democracy without loser’s consent, on all sides, is a dangerous place to be.
What do you think Bush should have done in 2000? Proposed a full rerun of the election in Florida? In the whole of the US?
I don’t think that is the point I am making.
More that I seem to recall there was a group of Democrats who think Gore erred in conceding. They think he should have, somehow, dug his heals in to make sure all the votes were all counted.
As the header shows there is reason to suspect Gore could have taken the state. The Republicans stood strong. They had no interest in letting the recount finish because of the risk of Bush’s lead being overturned. They brazened it out and made it clear they wouldn’t back down. Gore blanched, and perhaps in the interests of the country, conceded.
It's the use of the words "brazened it out" which implies that you think they should have done something differently. Now, I suspect if the roles had been reversed, the Republicans would have acted differently to the Dems, but I'm confident that the Dems would have been as defensive as the Republicans were.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Great header - I think the concept of “losers consent” doesn’t perhaps get the consideration it should.
To some extent the Hilary Clinton campaign and Democrat party did the opposite to Gore. The lesson they took from Bush / Gore was not that the honourable thing to do is to concede and go and do something worthy / or make a pretty dull film (delete according to your prejudices). But instead that the Republicans will keep fighting until the end. Bush was/may have been the loser but simply didn’t consent to it - he brazened it out until Gore folded.
So in 2016 Democratic Party cast aspirations about the legitimacy of the Trump election and didn’t stop after the inauguration. Some of the chat about Russia inevitably was about that (although it remains my view that Trump is and was Putin’s preference and make of that what you will). The Democrats (or some of them) didn’t consent to the result. They couldn’t believe Trump could have won legitimately so there must have been something afoot.
Trump in 2020 and everything since then was simply an upping the ante. Almost “you think you Democrats can go low, just a look at the depths I can reach.” What that means for 2024 who can tell. In a country divided with no side giving an inch and a real risk of neither loser conceding gracefully, where do you go next? In an ideal world one side should get such a thumping any questioning of the result can be seen for what it really is being a sore loser. But it isn’t shaping up like that.
Democracy without loser’s consent, on all sides, is a dangerous place to be.
I think it's generally recognised that Gore made a fatal mistake in not requesting a statewide recount. And given that, was right to concede.
As far as Clinton is concerned, it's important to note that she conceded the election, and did not contest it. Her ongoing objection was to the alleged illegalities around Trump's campaign. Even had he been successfully impeached, there would still have been a Republican president. No Democrat argued otherwise.
True - I guess from my perspective I think even if you concede pursuing legal action against the winning campaign doesn’t strike me as really conceding. Albeit those legal actions may be well founded.
And I guess that is one of the challenges with democracy. What if the other side does use illegal means to attain victory, yet it doesn’t emerge until after the event? How do you hold them to account after the dust has settled without causing greater division and spiralling violent rhetoric.
There are no good options in those circumstances. Agreeing that if someone is elected, they should therefore be absolved of what seems quite likely to have been crimes in pursuit of their campaign isn't much of a principle to establish, either.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
I have no doubt. But this is not how the "policy" has been presented to the nation.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
That brings us back to our media, and political communication. As I read the piece, that's how it *was* presented to the nation.
How do we deal with the unreliability of the communication channels?
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.
It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
Because we don't want to pay more taxes to improve it. You have yourself to blame.
The vast array of choice (and waste) at my son's comp costs £££.
One quality meal plus a vegetarian option, for all.
As in France.
Will save the nation £££ in the medium term.
During my last two or three years at school in late 70s/early 80s, the school dinner service was changed and out went the one main meal (meat/2 veg + trad. stodgy pudding/custard etc) and in came cafeteria style burgers, chips, baked potato, sausage rolls, pizza etc etc.
Load of dinner ladies got rid off which is presumably why cash-strapped LEA did this.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
That I think can work, but it assumes the state gets it right. It probably will, but may not - so some fuzziness at the edges is required.
An example might be particular allergies, or special diets which schools cannot meet - our system will address needs, but often not until there is wider evidence.
An example is that since at least the 1990s moderate or low-carb diets have been used to control blood sugar levels in diabetes; the mechanism is that blood glucose levels are proportion to carbohydrate intake (subject to possible variation around other factors, such as time of day).
But the "Healthy Diet" has not acknowledged this, and it has taken decades for the system to get on board with this; the mechanism for *that* is that specialists, researchers or enthusiasts notice what works for their patients, and then it soaks into the system through trials, small clinics, conferences, and then becomes the standard when evidenced at scale, then goes back the other way as 'approved' - subject to checks and balances.
That's just how it works sociologically, so there need to be grey edges and loopholes.
It's broadly the system in France:
There is only one choice on the menu, and food is served to children at the table until they are finished primary school (at 12 years old). This may be why the place where lunch is eaten is called a 'restaurant scolaire' (school restaurant).
How do they manage eg allergies that cause anaphylactic reactions?
Only one menu option at my daughter's nursery and there's all sorts of food allergies going on there. It's veg chow mein for lunch today.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
That I think can work, but it assumes the state gets it right. It probably will, but may not - so some fuzziness at the edges is required.
An example might be particular allergies, or special diets which schools cannot meet - our system will address needs, but often not until there is wider evidence.
An example is that since at least the 1990s moderate or low-carb diets have been used to control blood sugar levels in diabetes; the mechanism is that blood glucose levels are proportion to carbohydrate intake (subject to possible variation around other factors, such as time of day).
But the "Healthy Diet" has not acknowledged this, and it has taken decades for the system to get on board with this; the mechanism for *that* is that specialists, researchers or enthusiasts notice what works for their patients, and then it soaks into the system through trials, small clinics, conferences, and then becomes the standard when evidenced at scale, then goes back the other way as 'approved' - subject to checks and balances.
That's just how it works sociologically, so there need to be grey edges and loopholes.
It's broadly the system in France:
There is only one choice on the menu, and food is served to children at the table until they are finished primary school (at 12 years old). This may be why the place where lunch is eaten is called a 'restaurant scolaire' (school restaurant).
How do they manage eg allergies that cause anaphylactic reactions?
Presumably if children have a genuine* allergy they accommodate that. This is a frothy piece from Good Food magazine, it gives a flavour (yes, I know) of the system.
*(There was some research recently that showed most allergies claimed by the parents of UK children prove false, although of course there are many genuine ones)
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
I have no doubt. But this is not how the "policy" has been presented to the nation.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
There is a limit to what the government can do with wilfully stupid people in the media and consuming it. Particularly when they choose to misinterpret it for a political agenda.
If only everyone was as clever as you.
Is there some way we can vote for this to be the case.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
I have no doubt. But this is not how the "policy" has been presented to the nation.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
There is a limit to what the government can do with wilfully stupid people in the media and consuming it. Particularly when they choose to misinterpret it for a political agenda.
If only everyone was as clever as you.
Is there some way we can vote for this to be the case.
Is your problem the policy itself or the way the BBC has headlined it?
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
I have no doubt. But this is not how the "policy" has been presented to the nation.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
Is it the BBC's headlining of the policy or the substance of it that has angered you?
As with my initial post - the policy was portrayed in the media as giving fat unemployed people free drugs which would "of course" (R4) come with lifestyle change requirements. I was interested to know what these would be and how they would be implemented.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.
It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
Because we don't want to pay more taxes to improve it. You have yourself to blame.
The vast array of choice (and waste) at my son's comp costs £££.
One quality meal plus a vegetarian option, for all.
As in France.
Will save the nation £££ in the medium term.
I'm guessing that school meals in the UK are rigidly constructed so as to have the required amount of nutrition and so forth.
Meanwhile I don't know if "£££" means a lot or a little.
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
But the articles say that they are specifically targetting the unemployed in this drive. So although it is not part of the prescription decision,. it is part of the pre determination as to whether to offer the drug.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
It's not restricted to the unemployed though.
Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?
Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.
NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
Indeed.
Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
That I think can work, but it assumes the state gets it right. It probably will, but may not - so some fuzziness at the edges is required.
An example might be particular allergies, or special diets which schools cannot meet - our system will address needs, but often not until there is wider evidence.
An example is that since at least the 1990s moderate or low-carb diets have been used to control blood sugar levels in diabetes; the mechanism is that blood glucose levels are proportion to carbohydrate intake (subject to possible variation around other factors, such as time of day).
But the "Healthy Diet" has not acknowledged this, and it has taken decades for the system to get on board with this; the mechanism for *that* is that specialists, researchers or enthusiasts notice what works for their patients, and then it soaks into the system through trials, small clinics, conferences, and then becomes the standard when evidenced at scale, then goes back the other way as 'approved' - subject to checks and balances.
That's just how it works sociologically, so there need to be grey edges and loopholes.
It's broadly the system in France:
There is only one choice on the menu, and food is served to children at the table until they are finished primary school (at 12 years old). This may be why the place where lunch is eaten is called a 'restaurant scolaire' (school restaurant).
How do they manage eg allergies that cause anaphylactic reactions?
Only one menu option at my daughter's nursery and there's all sorts of food allergies going on there. It's veg chow mein for lunch today.
Used to have to talk to school nurses about allergies as part of the job. One told the tale of a parent at a primary school who asked if the children in her child's class could be stopped from bringing peanut butter sandwiches as her little darling was 'very allergic' to peanuts and the very scent of peanut butter would cause it to collapse. Another mother objected strongly; her child liked peanut butter, and it was it's human right to have it every day. Don't know how the headmistress resolved the issue!
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
I have no doubt. But this is not how the "policy" has been presented to the nation.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
Is it the BBC's headlining of the policy or the substance of it that has angered you?
Sometimes all of them, and sometimes it can addressed.
As an example, various cycling people assaulted the BBC over their use of "vigilante" to describe a cycle cammer in a piece last week (for some reason they don't use the same language about dash cammers), rather than something accurate like "witness". Vigilantes are, of course, outside the law.
The BBC backed down and corrected within a couple of hours, citing mistaken use of "journalistic cliche".
But some do it for ideological or political reasons. When that is tried with the Telegraph or the Spectator no one expects a response, as they are waging a culture war though misrepresentation as well as lack of balance.
This seems worthwhile for her in two ways. Firstly she gets to talk directly to an audience of curious people whose heads have been filled with shite. Secondly if she's lucky Trump will get mad about it like he did with the Call Her Daddy one and his closing argument to swing voters will be about a feud with a popular podcast host.
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
Completely bizarre
Once you begin to unpack it, what exactly is she implying?? That they target black men because they are more gullible or less intelligent?
What else can it be? Genuinely not sure. Or does she mean black people and only black people must be rescued from bad investments? Why?
What’s next? “Prevent Jews from selling insurance because they are clever and good at selling?”
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That is surely the best way to go. Apart from dying in your sleep
Zero pain, in a convivial setting, bang
I suppose you could argue you might want time to say goodbye but - do you? Isn’t that just deeply distressing?
69 is too young but a lot of people would shake hands on a swift heart attack at 79, and health up to that point
Yes, I'm not sure the Salmond approach is worse on the relatives than them having to spend ten years visiting the gradually-declining shell of someone who no longer remembers them in a nursing home. Just a reminder to spend the time you want to with the people you love before it's too late.
I'd take the ketchup option every time, either for me or my parents.
Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
It’s so weird. They must have done a focus group to find out why black men are voting for Trump and decided that crypto is a weak point for them, but what does “protecting investments” mean?
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That is surely the best way to go. Apart from dying in your sleep
Zero pain, in a convivial setting, bang
I suppose you could argue you might want time to say goodbye but - do you? Isn’t that just deeply distressing?
69 is too young but a lot of people would shake hands on a swift heart attack at 79, and health up to that point
Yes, I'm not sure the Salmond approach is worse on the relatives than them having to spend ten years visiting the gradually-declining shell of someone who no longer remembers them in a nursing home. Just a reminder to spend the time you want to with the people you love before it's too late.
I'd take the ketchup option every time, either for me or my parents.
Yes. And I suspect Salmond himself would prefer this. Never seemed the type who would want to linger in his adult nappy
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That's how one of my grandad's went.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
“Pop goes the weasel” is a cockney term for pawning your winter coat (rhyming slang: weasel and stoat - coat)
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
Controversial- Seems there is no recorded use of "weasel and stoat" for coat before the 1930s.
May have a more ribald origin, similar to the cause of death of President Faure of France... Sounds more likely for a drinking song.
Leon's understanding is the same as mine. It makes total sense in the context of the song. It's about having no money. I mean, I suppose you might be pawning something else which could plausibly be rhyming slang for weasel (weasel and mink - sink?) but I can't think of anything which makes sense.
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
Some interesting stuff there, but it looks exploitable and one or two of those do not require the beneficiary to have a personal stake in the game, so "take it, spend it and walk away" is not made impossible. I'd say some more thought is needed.
I wonder if Obama will advise - his background was community organising.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
I have no doubt. But this is not how the "policy" has been presented to the nation.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
One joy of this government is the image in my head of Alistair Campbell beating his head against the wall, while watching their comms on TV....
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
But the articles say that they are specifically targetting the unemployed in this drive. So although it is not part of the prescription decision,. it is part of the pre determination as to whether to offer the drug.
It didn't make sufficiently clear that this is a trial, not a nationwide decision to provide the medication. Looking at the data, post trial, to assess the effects on employment participation is one of the outcomes of the trial they're particularly interested in.
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
Completely bizarre
Once you begin to unpack it, what exactly is she implying?? That they target black men because they are more gullible or less intelligent?
What else can it be? Genuinely not sure. Or does she mean black people and only black people must be rescued from bad investments? Why?
What’s next? “Prevent Jews from selling insurance because they are clever and good at selling?”
And with that, Kamala just lost another 10,000 white voters.
Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
It’s so weird. They must have done a focus group to find out why black men are voting for Trump and decided that crypto is a weak point for them, but what does “protecting investments” mean?
Privatise the gains, socialise the loses. It works for the American health care industry, the car industry, the aerospace industry......
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That is surely the best way to go. Apart from dying in your sleep
Zero pain, in a convivial setting, bang
I suppose you could argue you might want time to say goodbye but - do you? Isn’t that just deeply distressing?
69 is too young but a lot of people would shake hands on a swift heart attack at 79, and health up to that point
Yes, I'm not sure the Salmond approach is worse on the relatives than them having to spend ten years visiting the gradually-declining shell of someone who no longer remembers them in a nursing home. Just a reminder to spend the time you want to with the people you love before it's too late.
I'd take the ketchup option every time, either for me or my parents.
Just remember to leave a note somewhere giving access to your computer!
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
Quick. Tell the Ridiculous Political Messaging Department.
BBC News headline: "Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work"
I didn't realise you were such a political naif.
It is what the Labour Party is telling the world. Let me repeat the headline:
"Jobless could get weight loss jabs to return to work".
If employment status is irrelevant, which I can well believe it would be, then this headline is Ridiculous Political Messaging. But @Foxy says no, it's a great idea. Which suggests that it has substance. Which would mean that employment status would be relevant.
The distinction between an individual prescription decision, and the general decision to provide a treatment on the NHS is entirely clear.
The announcement, if you haven't yet worked it out, concerns a trial period of prescribing the medication, partly funded by the manufacturer: ..The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester...
You don't have to be out of employment to be in the trial - but the progress of those who are will be included in the analysis of the trial results.
Thing is, most people who aren't desperately trying to prove a point on the internet will look at the headline and think Lab wants to give fat unemployed people free Ozempic.
Ridiculous Political Messaging.
Which was exactly how it was presented on the politics slot on GMB this morning.
Yep and on R4 Today.
Which is perhaps both a communication issue and a "media using poster paints" issue. It seems simply to be the normal process, and following up on an increased emphasis on prevention which was a core policy of the previous Government from quite early.
I have no doubt. But this is not how the "policy" has been presented to the nation.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
There is a limit to what the government can do with wilfully stupid people in the media and consuming it. Particularly when they choose to misinterpret it for a political agenda.
If only everyone was as clever as you.
Is there some way we can vote for this to be the case.
Foxy is right. You can put as much detail and analysis online as possible and you will always have people wilfully misinterpreting it or not bothering to check. In fact, the more detail you put out, the higher the chance something is cherry picked and taken out of context.
There's a balance to be struck between trying to bring people along with you and simply ignoring the frothers. People are always going to find a way to be scandalised - snowflakeism is not reserved to the woke left.
Mr. Eagles, a swift end without suffering is better than most of the alternatives.
I want to die like Chrysippus of Soli who died laughing at his own joke.
A donkey eating figs was his joke. Doesn't seem a rib tickler to me.
Perhaps it was better in the original Greek. Or perhaps it was better in the classical period. Humour doesn't really travel well through the ages - look at Max Wall. Or perhaps he was just easily amused.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That is surely the best way to go. Apart from dying in your sleep
Zero pain, in a convivial setting, bang
I suppose you could argue you might want time to say goodbye but - do you? Isn’t that just deeply distressing?
69 is too young but a lot of people would shake hands on a swift heart attack at 79, and health up to that point
Yes, I'm not sure the Salmond approach is worse on the relatives than them having to spend ten years visiting the gradually-declining shell of someone who no longer remembers them in a nursing home. Just a reminder to spend the time you want to with the people you love before it's too late.
I'd take the ketchup option every time, either for me or my parents.
Just remember to leave a note somewhere giving access to your computer!
My wife and I have a discrete book with websites and passwords noted down. Not forgetting the POA for the time up to it.
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
Probably (?) means regulate crypto to prevent the more egregious scams. Quite how crypto is ever "safe" is beyond me.
OTOH, it's slightly more sensible than Trump's pronouncements on the subject. And at least she's not selling her own dodgycoin.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That is surely the best way to go. Apart from dying in your sleep
Zero pain, in a convivial setting, bang
I suppose you could argue you might want time to say goodbye but - do you? Isn’t that just deeply distressing?
69 is too young but a lot of people would shake hands on a swift heart attack at 79, and health up to that point
Yes, I'm not sure the Salmond approach is worse on the relatives than them having to spend ten years visiting the gradually-declining shell of someone who no longer remembers them in a nursing home. Just a reminder to spend the time you want to with the people you love before it's too late.
I'd take the ketchup option every time, either for me or my parents.
My grandmother, on my mother's side, moved into sheltered accommodation. Her own flat, but with daily monitoring etc.
They found her one morning, sitting in her arm chair, dressed to go out. The cup of tea going cold. Must have been instant.
90 years old. I think the opinion of the entire family was "That would be how I would like to go - competent to the end, no fuss, over and done with".
Mr. Eagles, a swift end without suffering is better than most of the alternatives.
I want to die like Chrysippus of Soli who died laughing at his own joke.
A donkey eating figs was his joke. Doesn't seem a rib tickler to me.
Perhaps it was better in the original Greek. Or perhaps it was better in the classical period. Humour doesn't really travel well through the ages - look at Max Wall. Or perhaps he was just easily amused.
It’s an interesting experiment. What is the oldest joke/line in English that still makes you laugh
It might be Byron. Some lines from Beppo and maybe Don Juan can induce a genuine chortle
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That's how one of my grandad's went.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
“Pop goes the weasel” is a cockney term for pawning your winter coat (rhyming slang: weasel and stoat - coat)
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
Controversial- Seems there is no recorded use of "weasel and stoat" for coat before the 1930s.
May have a more ribald origin, similar to the cause of death of President Faure of France... Sounds more likely for a drinking song.
I’m pretty sure “pop” does mean pawn. Weasel and stoat = coat, less certain
After all the preceding line is “that’s the way the money goes”
Wasn't a 'weasel' something used in hatting. And the song refers to the practice of pawning one's equipment at the weekend to get some drinking money. "Up and down the City Road. In and out of the Eagle. That's the way the money goes Pop goes the weasel."
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
Probably (?) means regulate crypto to prevent the more egregious scams. Quite how crypto is ever "safe" is beyond me.
OTOH, it's slightly more sensible than Trump's pronouncements on the subject. And at least she's not selling her own dodgycoin.
Crypto regulation is quite simple to my mind. Fundamentally if someone has 1 Bitcoin on a platform, they should be able to realise the value of 1 Bitcoin whatever that is. The investor should have no protection from the underlying value of bitcoin heading to 50 cents or whatever. Similar to shares and funds, the underlying shares and funds (Baskets of shares) don't need protecting - the platform where investors purchase through (Say Coinbase or Hargreaves Lansdowne) is what needs the regulation to ensure they are buying the underlying assets on the consumer's behalf.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That is surely the best way to go. Apart from dying in your sleep
Zero pain, in a convivial setting, bang
I suppose you could argue you might want time to say goodbye but - do you? Isn’t that just deeply distressing?
69 is too young but a lot of people would shake hands on a swift heart attack at 79, and health up to that point
Yes, I'm not sure the Salmond approach is worse on the relatives than them having to spend ten years visiting the gradually-declining shell of someone who no longer remembers them in a nursing home. Just a reminder to spend the time you want to with the people you love before it's too late.
I'd take the ketchup option every time, either for me or my parents.
My grandmother, on my mother's side, moved into sheltered accommodation. Her own flat, but with daily monitoring etc.
They found her one morning, sitting in her arm chair, dressed to go out. The cup of tea going cold. Must have been instant.
90 years old. I think the opinion of the entire family was "That would be how I would like to go - competent to the end, no fuss, over and done with".
My partner was trying to take a patient's blood pressure and couldn't work out why she couldn't get a reading. Had simply died while she was setting up the machine.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That's how one of my grandad's went.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
“Pop goes the weasel” is a cockney term for pawning your winter coat (rhyming slang: weasel and stoat - coat)
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
Controversial- Seems there is no recorded use of "weasel and stoat" for coat before the 1930s.
May have a more ribald origin, similar to the cause of death of President Faure of France... Sounds more likely for a drinking song.
I’m pretty sure “pop” does mean pawn. Weasel and stoat = coat, less certain
After all the preceding line is “that’s the way the money goes”
Yes, the song does seem quite obviously about a character living a frivolous/carefree lifestyle, spending so much that he has to pawn his coat. I assume "The Eagle" to be a pub or similar.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That's how one of my grandad's went.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
“Pop goes the weasel” is a cockney term for pawning your winter coat (rhyming slang: weasel and stoat - coat)
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
It is not how I understood it, but looking it up I can see that is one interpretation, but there are many others. I always thought it meant 'it is done' so the use in that post is how I would have interpreted. In the rhyme:
Half a pound of tuppenny rice, Half a pound of treacle. That's the way the money goes, Pop! Goes the weasel
I assumed treacle was a way of flavouring cheap rice which used up the money so 'All gone', 'Done'.
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
Probably (?) means regulate crypto to prevent the more egregious scams. Quite how crypto is ever "safe" is beyond me.
OTOH, it's slightly more sensible than Trump's pronouncements on the subject. And at least she's not selling her own dodgycoin.
AIUI there is a certain lack of trust in banks and financial institutions by many black people in the USA, and a far higher proportion of black people in the USA don't have bank accounts than whites, or even Hispanics.
Perhaps this is a way of trying to get such black people to start saving, and even investing?
Mr. Eagles, a swift end without suffering is better than most of the alternatives.
I want to die like Chrysippus of Soli who died laughing at his own joke.
A donkey eating figs was his joke. Doesn't seem a rib tickler to me.
Perhaps it was better in the original Greek. Or perhaps it was better in the classical period. Humour doesn't really travel well through the ages - look at Max Wall. Or perhaps he was just easily amused.
It’s an interesting experiment. What is the oldest joke/line in English that still makes you laugh
It might be Byron. Some lines from Beppo and maybe Don Juan can induce a genuine chortle
Unlike Shakespeare
Perhaps Wodehouse, for me?
My uncle had (and I have no idea what happened to them, which is a pity) a collection of compendia of Punches from just before (or just after - can't remember) the first world war. There were 19 volumes, on various themes, and some of it was still moderately amusing (I remember an article about the pros and cons - mainly cons - of wearing a monocle: proper Edwardian humour). But the 20th volume was a collection of articles and cartoons from the mid-19th century, and while ostensibly humourous, it was entirely lacking in anything recognisably funny. And this was the best stuff of the day. I don't think it was just that I didn't necessarily recognise the references - the entire syntax of humour was different.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That is surely the best way to go. Apart from dying in your sleep
Zero pain, in a convivial setting, bang
I suppose you could argue you might want time to say goodbye but - do you? Isn’t that just deeply distressing?
69 is too young but a lot of people would shake hands on a swift heart attack at 79, and health up to that point
Yes, I'm not sure the Salmond approach is worse on the relatives than them having to spend ten years visiting the gradually-declining shell of someone who no longer remembers them in a nursing home. Just a reminder to spend the time you want to with the people you love before it's too late.
I'd take the ketchup option every time, either for me or my parents.
My grandmother, on my mother's side, moved into sheltered accommodation. Her own flat, but with daily monitoring etc.
They found her one morning, sitting in her arm chair, dressed to go out. The cup of tea going cold. Must have been instant.
90 years old. I think the opinion of the entire family was "That would be how I would like to go - competent to the end, no fuss, over and done with".
My partner was trying to take a patient's blood pressure and couldn't work out why she couldn't get a reading. Had simply died while she was setting up the machine.
Reminds me of Bob Monkhouse.
" I want to die like my father, peacefully in his sleep, not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus"
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That's how one of my grandad's went.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
“Pop goes the weasel” is a cockney term for pawning your winter coat (rhyming slang: weasel and stoat - coat)
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
Controversial- Seems there is no recorded use of "weasel and stoat" for coat before the 1930s.
May have a more ribald origin, similar to the cause of death of President Faure of France... Sounds more likely for a drinking song.
I’m pretty sure “pop” does mean pawn. Weasel and stoat = coat, less certain
After all the preceding line is “that’s the way the money goes”
Yes, the song does seem quite obviously about a character living a frivolous/carefree lifestyle, spending so much that he has to pawn his coat. I assume "The Eagle" to be a pub or similar.
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
Probably (?) means regulate crypto to prevent the more egregious scams. Quite how crypto is ever "safe" is beyond me.
OTOH, it's slightly more sensible than Trump's pronouncements on the subject. And at least she's not selling her own dodgycoin.
AIUI there is a certain lack of trust in banks and financial institutions by many black people in the USA, and a far higher proportion of black people in the USA don't have bank accounts than whites, or even Hispanics.
Perhaps this is a way of trying to get such black people to start saving, and even investing?
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That's how one of my grandad's went.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
“Pop goes the weasel” is a cockney term for pawning your winter coat (rhyming slang: weasel and stoat - coat)
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
Controversial- Seems there is no recorded use of "weasel and stoat" for coat before the 1930s.
May have a more ribald origin, similar to the cause of death of President Faure of France... Sounds more likely for a drinking song.
Thank you for sharing that - I didn't remember that from my A Level history and the text book I have merely notes drily that he collapsed into the arms of a terrified lady friend. When I read it years ago I probably wouldn't have read between the lines
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
Probably (?) means regulate crypto to prevent the more egregious scams. Quite how crypto is ever "safe" is beyond me.
OTOH, it's slightly more sensible than Trump's pronouncements on the subject. And at least she's not selling her own dodgycoin.
AIUI there is a certain lack of trust in banks and financial institutions by many black people in the USA, and a far higher proportion of black people in the USA don't have bank accounts than whites, or even Hispanics.
Perhaps this is a way of trying to get such black people to start saving, and even investing?
In crypto ??
Perhaps not the investing in Crypto, but if you don't like banks and financial institutions for whatever reason, it may be a way to save money outside of their control. And getting people saving is a really good thing IMO.
Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
It’s so weird. They must have done a focus group to find out why black men are voting for Trump and decided that crypto is a weak point for them, but what does “protecting investments” mean?
So what they did in Japan after Mt Gox blew up was to make a bunch of rules so that for example if you run a crypto exchange and you're sitting on a load of user deposits you have to secure the crypto properly and also keep the user funds in a separate bank account instead of mixing them up with the funds you spend on cocaine and effective altruism.
That doesn't stop people blowing their life savings on cumrocket but it sort of helps with some of the thefts. For example when FTX blew up people who had their money in FTX Japan were OK.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
It’s so weird. They must have done a focus group to find out why black men are voting for Trump and decided that crypto is a weak point for them, but what does “protecting investments” mean?
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
Probably (?) means regulate crypto to prevent the more egregious scams. Quite how crypto is ever "safe" is beyond me.
OTOH, it's slightly more sensible than Trump's pronouncements on the subject. And at least she's not selling her own dodgycoin.
AIUI there is a certain lack of trust in banks and financial institutions by many black people in the USA, and a far higher proportion of black people in the USA don't have bank accounts than whites, or even Hispanics.
Perhaps this is a way of trying to get such black people to start saving, and even investing?
A few years back, was working with an alt-bank.
The CEO had the idea of a big expansion into the US. Go for the underbanked - simple account, card, no fees, no overdraft or loans. Basically fish in a large, shallow pond, find the people who go onto to become whales.
The banking license application was horrific - ended up in front of a Senate committee, IIRC. He was getting all kinds of abuse - accused of trying to loan shark and all kinds of strange stuff.
The lawyers explained that his model would violently the local Community Credit type cooperative things - which despite their fuzzy, nice image, charge big rates of interest. And are always tied into local political activism. And from there into the Democratic party political base.
Mr. Eagles, a swift end without suffering is better than most of the alternatives.
I want to die like Chrysippus of Soli who died laughing at his own joke.
A donkey eating figs was his joke. Doesn't seem a rib tickler to me.
Perhaps it was better in the original Greek. Or perhaps it was better in the classical period. Humour doesn't really travel well through the ages - look at Max Wall. Or perhaps he was just easily amused.
It’s an interesting experiment. What is the oldest joke/line in English that still makes you laugh
It might be Byron. Some lines from Beppo and maybe Don Juan can induce a genuine chortle
Unlike Shakespeare
Humour can endure - Carry On Cleo has lines that still make me laugh and that's from about 40 BC.
On topic, I hadn't realised that after the one count that was completed, the Bush lead actually went up rather than down. Did this have an impact of Gore's decision not to continue the challenges?
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
"Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe" errrrr OK...
Probably (?) means regulate crypto to prevent the more egregious scams. Quite how crypto is ever "safe" is beyond me.
OTOH, it's slightly more sensible than Trump's pronouncements on the subject. And at least she's not selling her own dodgycoin.
Crypto regulation is quite simple to my mind. Fundamentally if someone has 1 Bitcoin on a platform, they should be able to realise the value of 1 Bitcoin whatever that is. The investor should have no protection from the underlying value of bitcoin heading to 50 cents or whatever. Similar to shares and funds, the underlying shares and funds (Baskets of shares) don't need protecting - the platform where investors purchase through (Say Coinbase or Hargreaves Lansdowne) is what needs the regulation to ensure they are buying the underlying assets on the consumer's behalf.
What's line? - "Crypto is speed running the history of financial regulation, starting with John Law."
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That's how one of my grandad's went.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
“Pop goes the weasel” is a cockney term for pawning your winter coat (rhyming slang: weasel and stoat - coat)
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
Controversial- Seems there is no recorded use of "weasel and stoat" for coat before the 1930s.
May have a more ribald origin, similar to the cause of death of President Faure of France... Sounds more likely for a drinking song.
I’m pretty sure “pop” does mean pawn. Weasel and stoat = coat, less certain
After all the preceding line is “that’s the way the money goes”
Yes, the song does seem quite obviously about a character living a frivolous/carefree lifestyle, spending so much that he has to pawn his coat. I assume "The Eagle" to be a pub or similar.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That is surely the best way to go. Apart from dying in your sleep
Zero pain, in a convivial setting, bang
I suppose you could argue you might want time to say goodbye but - do you? Isn’t that just deeply distressing?
69 is too young but a lot of people would shake hands on a swift heart attack at 79, and health up to that point
Yes, I'm not sure the Salmond approach is worse on the relatives than them having to spend ten years visiting the gradually-declining shell of someone who no longer remembers them in a nursing home. Just a reminder to spend the time you want to with the people you love before it's too late.
I'd take the ketchup option every time, either for me or my parents.
My grandmother, on my mother's side, moved into sheltered accommodation. Her own flat, but with daily monitoring etc.
They found her one morning, sitting in her arm chair, dressed to go out. The cup of tea going cold. Must have been instant.
90 years old. I think the opinion of the entire family was "That would be how I would like to go - competent to the end, no fuss, over and done with".
My partner was trying to take a patient's blood pressure and couldn't work out why she couldn't get a reading. Had simply died while she was setting up the machine.
Reminds me of Bob Monkhouse.
" I want to die like my father, peacefully in his sleep, not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus"
The other great Bob Monkhouse quote:
"Everyone laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian. Well they're not laughing now."
A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.
Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.
From the news reports this morning I would be interested to see the process whereby after giving free Ozempic to the the obese unemployed, they are then monitored for the required change of lifestyle. Or maybe it would be a leaflet reminding them to have their five a day.
No such thing. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Streeting is pushing it as being a method of getting people back into employment. Other than that yes absolutely, employment status is wholly irrelevant.
Comprehension problem there. Employment status will not be part of the prescription decisions.
Its potential impact on employment is, of course, a factor in deciding whether or not the NHS provides it.
But the articles say that they are specifically targetting the unemployed in this drive. So although it is not part of the prescription decision,. it is part of the pre determination as to whether to offer the drug.
It didn't make sufficiently clear that this is a trial, not a nationwide decision to provide the medication. Looking at the data, post trial, to assess the effects on employment participation is one of the outcomes of the trial they're particularly interested in.
I saw that clip and it is a blimmin' minefield if you are plod. They were trying as best they could to avoid talking about it at all, trying to remain neutral, and using what vocabulary and tools they were able.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That's how one of my grandad's went.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
“Pop goes the weasel” is a cockney term for pawning your winter coat (rhyming slang: weasel and stoat - coat)
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
Controversial- Seems there is no recorded use of "weasel and stoat" for coat before the 1930s.
May have a more ribald origin, similar to the cause of death of President Faure of France... Sounds more likely for a drinking song.
I’m pretty sure “pop” does mean pawn. Weasel and stoat = coat, less certain
After all the preceding line is “that’s the way the money goes”
Yes, the song does seem quite obviously about a character living a frivolous/carefree lifestyle, spending so much that he has to pawn his coat. I assume "The Eagle" to be a pub or similar.
Great header - I think the concept of “losers consent” doesn’t perhaps get the consideration it should.
To some extent the Hilary Clinton campaign and Democrat party did the opposite to Gore. The lesson they took from Bush / Gore was not that the honourable thing to do is to concede and go and do something worthy / or make a pretty dull film (delete according to your prejudices). But instead that the Republicans will keep fighting until the end. Bush was/may have been the loser but simply didn’t consent to it - he brazened it out until Gore folded.
So in 2016 Democratic Party cast aspirations about the legitimacy of the Trump election and didn’t stop after the inauguration. Some of the chat about Russia inevitably was about that (although it remains my view that Trump is and was Putin’s preference and make of that what you will). The Democrats (or some of them) didn’t consent to the result. They couldn’t believe Trump could have won legitimately so there must have been something afoot.
Trump in 2020 and everything since then was simply an upping the ante. Almost “you think you Democrats can go low, just a look at the depths I can reach.” What that means for 2024 who can tell. In a country divided with no side giving an inch and a real risk of neither loser conceding gracefully, where do you go next? In an ideal world one side should get such a thumping any questioning of the result can be seen for what it really is being a sore loser. But it isn’t shaping up like that.
Democracy without loser’s consent, on all sides, is a dangerous place to be.
There is a great song in Hamilton about George Washington and possibly his greatest contribution to American democracy, his peaceful transfer of power to his successor John Adams. Trump is no Washington, that much is clear.
It is a great song, with whose premise I agree. That, and not choosing a title akin to "King", which gave the post a flavour of "Chosen By The People" rather than "God Given Right to Rule".
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That's how one of my grandad's went.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
“Pop goes the weasel” is a cockney term for pawning your winter coat (rhyming slang: weasel and stoat - coat)
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
Controversial- Seems there is no recorded use of "weasel and stoat" for coat before the 1930s.
May have a more ribald origin, similar to the cause of death of President Faure of France... Sounds more likely for a drinking song.
I’m pretty sure “pop” does mean pawn. Weasel and stoat = coat, less certain
After all the preceding line is “that’s the way the money goes”
Yes, the song does seem quite obviously about a character living a frivolous/carefree lifestyle, spending so much that he has to pawn his coat. I assume "The Eagle" to be a pub or similar.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That is surely the best way to go. Apart from dying in your sleep
Zero pain, in a convivial setting, bang
I suppose you could argue you might want time to say goodbye but - do you? Isn’t that just deeply distressing?
69 is too young but a lot of people would shake hands on a swift heart attack at 79, and health up to that point
Yes, I'm not sure the Salmond approach is worse on the relatives than them having to spend ten years visiting the gradually-declining shell of someone who no longer remembers them in a nursing home. Just a reminder to spend the time you want to with the people you love before it's too late.
I'd take the ketchup option every time, either for me or my parents.
My grandmother, on my mother's side, moved into sheltered accommodation. Her own flat, but with daily monitoring etc.
They found her one morning, sitting in her arm chair, dressed to go out. The cup of tea going cold. Must have been instant.
90 years old. I think the opinion of the entire family was "That would be how I would like to go - competent to the end, no fuss, over and done with".
My partner was trying to take a patient's blood pressure and couldn't work out why she couldn't get a reading. Had simply died while she was setting up the machine.
Reminds me of Bob Monkhouse.
" I want to die like my father, peacefully in his sleep, not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus"
Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.
Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.
I saw him at a corporate event
His off TV show would probably be banned these days
"Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband’s lap.”
Not uproariously funny, but it has farting in it, so relatable. The site also identifies the oldest 'walked into a bar' joke, which has definitely lost something in the translation or over the years:
“A dog walks into a bar and says, ‘I cannot see a thing. I’ll open this one.’”
We also have a fourth century BC Greek joke book, which contains things syntactically recognisable as jokes, including this one which has endured to the present day and which may possibly be the world's oldest extant joke:
“Asked by the court barber how he wanted his hair cut, the witty fellow replied: ‘In silence.’”
"Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband’s lap.”
Not uproariously funny, but it has farting in it, so relatable. The site also identifies the oldest 'walked into a bar' joke, which has definitely lost something in the translation or over the years:
“A dog walks into a bar and says, ‘I cannot see a thing. I’ll open this one.’”
We also have a fourth century BC Greek joke book, which contains things syntactically recognisable as jokes, including this one which has endured to the present day and which may possibly be the world's oldest extant joke:
“Asked by the court barber how he wanted his hair cut, the witty fellow replied: ‘In silence.’”
Last one is quite good.
Barbers clearly masters of banal and inane chatter even in ancient times.
Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.
I saw him at a corporate event
His off TV show would probably be banned these days
Snowflake, you should hear Jimmy Carr’s off TV show.
Alex Salmond died while opening a bottle of ketchup, an eyewitness has claimed.
The former first minister of Scotland collapsed and died aged 69 on Saturday, shortly after delivering a speech at a conference in North Macedonia.
Mark Donfried, the director of the Academy for Cultural Diplomacy, said attendees were having lunch at the meeting in the historic lakeside city of Ohrid when Mr Salmond died.
“He came together with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, also from the Alba Party in Scotland, and they were eating,” he told Times Radio.
“Later on, Tasmina told me she was having trouble opening the ketchup and she reached over and said: ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?’ And he was helping her with that when literally he fell back in his chair, totally out of the blue, without warning.
“Next to him was the former chief executive of the stock exchange of Cyprus, and he basically took him in his arms. He was convinced, he told me later, that immediately he was unconscious. So we don’t think Alex actually suffered any pain, thank God. He felt his heart and he couldn’t feel the heart rate then.
Good way to go; no pain, no lingering. Hard on the relatives, and those around though.
That's how one of my grandad's went.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
“Pop goes the weasel” is a cockney term for pawning your winter coat (rhyming slang: weasel and stoat - coat)
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
Controversial- Seems there is no recorded use of "weasel and stoat" for coat before the 1930s.
May have a more ribald origin, similar to the cause of death of President Faure of France... Sounds more likely for a drinking song.
I’m pretty sure “pop” does mean pawn. Weasel and stoat = coat, less certain
After all the preceding line is “that’s the way the money goes”
Yes, the song does seem quite obviously about a character living a frivolous/carefree lifestyle, spending so much that he has to pawn his coat. I assume "The Eagle" to be a pub or similar.
It absolutely is still there but is that the one that is being referred to?
Well it's on the City Road. And the pub has those lines from the song emblazoned on the exterior. So it's a reasonable assumption.
Fair enough. I think that was the very first gastropub (ghastly name). Now you can't move for pubs selling Turkish Dim Sum or Scotttish Mezze. It was great fun and is still buzzing of an evening.
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I have no answer except a much wider ranging tax, perhaps based on calories per gram. I'd also reform the ridiculous portion size stats and simply have the total calories in a box/bottle at 72pt font on the front - box of Weetabix minis is 2000 kcal.
If so then New York Gov Hochul could do so if Harris wanted it.
There's also the Georgia trial which the pair of Dem idiots have messed up and who could be told to drop it altogether.
There is only one choice on the menu, and food is served to children at the table until they are finished primary school (at 12 years old). This may be why the place where lunch is eaten is called a 'restaurant scolaire' (school restaurant).
Zero pain, in a convivial setting, bang
I suppose you could argue you might want time to say goodbye but - do you? Isn’t that just deeply distressing?
69 is too young but a lot of people would shake hands on a swift heart attack at 79, and health up to that point
The full piece is here, which a modest op-ed:
https://archive.ph/61NuR
And I guess that is one of the challenges with democracy. What if the other side does use illegal means to attain victory, yet it doesn’t emerge until after the event? How do you hold them to account after the dust has settled without causing greater division and spiralling violent rhetoric.
Stiffened in his chair. Said "I'm dying". And ... pop went the weasel.
No point allowing the leads across the media to say "Give fat unemployed people free drugs" and then pointing people to p.78 of a civil service draft document on "The NHS and Associated Policy and Budgeting".
One quality meal plus a vegetarian option, for all.
As in France.
Will save the nation £££ in the medium term.
So your grandad suddenly stiffened and said “I’m dying” and then he went down to the pawnbrokers to get ten shillings for his astrakhan overcoat
Agreeing that if someone is elected, they should therefore be absolved of what seems quite likely to have been crimes in pursuit of their campaign isn't much of a principle to establish, either.
Harris 50
Trump 46
How do we deal with the unreliability of the communication channels?
The perennial question.
Load of dinner ladies got rid off which is presumably why cash-strapped LEA did this.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/karen-le-billion-french-children-eat-anything
*(There was some research recently that showed most allergies claimed by the parents of UK children prove false, although of course there are many genuine ones)
Is there some way we can vote for this to be the case.
Meanwhile I don't know if "£££" means a lot or a little.
https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386
• Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
• Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
• Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
• Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
• Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry
What the fucking fuck is this?
Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
A very British story.
The winner of a conker championship has been found to have a painted steel nut !!!!
Another mother objected strongly; her child liked peanut butter, and it was it's human right to have it every day.
Don't know how the headmistress resolved the issue!
As an example, various cycling people assaulted the BBC over their use of "vigilante" to describe a cycle cammer in a piece last week (for some reason they don't use the same language about dash cammers), rather than something accurate like "witness". Vigilantes are, of course, outside the law.
The BBC backed down and corrected within a couple of hours, citing mistaken use of "journalistic cliche".
But some do it for ideological or political reasons. When that is tried with the Telegraph or the Spectator no one expects a response, as they are waging a culture war though misrepresentation as well as lack of balance.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/kamala-harris-could-join-podcaster-joe-rogan-an-interview-sources-2024-10-15/
This seems worthwhile for her in two ways. Firstly she gets to talk directly to an audience of curious people whose heads have been filled with shite. Secondly if she's lucky Trump will get mad about it like he did with the Call Her Daddy one and his closing argument to swing voters will be about a feud with a popular podcast host.
Once you begin to unpack it, what exactly is she implying?? That they target black men because they are more gullible or less intelligent?
What else can it be? Genuinely not sure. Or does she mean black people and only black people must be rescued from bad investments? Why?
What’s next? “Prevent Jews from selling insurance because they are clever and good at selling?”
Just a reminder to spend the time you want to with the people you love before it's too late.
I'd take the ketchup option every time, either for me or my parents.
May have a more ribald origin, similar to the cause of death of President Faure of France... Sounds more likely for a drinking song.
linger in his adult nappy
https://news.sky.com/story/european-leaders-to-discuss-asylum-hubs-outside-eu-as-support-for-right-wing-parties-grows-13233755
I mean, I suppose you might be pawning something else which could plausibly be rhyming slang for weasel (weasel and mink - sink?) but I can't think of anything which makes sense.
I wonder if Obama will advise - his background was community organising.
After all the preceding line is “that’s the way the money goes”
Looking at the data, post trial, to assess the effects on employment participation is one of the outcomes of the trial they're particularly interested in.
There's a balance to be struck between trying to bring people along with you and simply ignoring the frothers. People are always going to find a way to be scandalised - snowflakeism is not reserved to the woke left.
Or perhaps it was better in the classical period. Humour doesn't really travel well through the ages - look at Max Wall.
Or perhaps he was just easily amused.
Quite how crypto is ever "safe" is beyond me.
OTOH, it's slightly more sensible than Trump's pronouncements on the subject. And at least she's not selling her own dodgycoin.
They found her one morning, sitting in her arm chair, dressed to go out. The cup of tea going cold. Must have been instant.
90 years old. I think the opinion of the entire family was "That would be how I would like to go - competent to the end, no fuss, over and done with".
Trump Y !
Trafalgar ? I'd rather hear from Waterloo.
Emerson. But what do Lake and Palmer think ?
It might be Byron. Some lines from Beppo and maybe Don Juan can induce a genuine chortle
Unlike Shakespeare
"Up and down the City Road.
In and out of the Eagle.
That's the way the money goes
Pop goes the weasel."
Half a pound of tuppenny rice,
Half a pound of treacle.
That's the way the money goes,
Pop! Goes the weasel
I assumed treacle was a way of flavouring cheap rice which used up the money so 'All gone', 'Done'.
Perhaps this is a way of trying to get such black people to start saving, and even investing?
My uncle had (and I have no idea what happened to them, which is a pity) a collection of compendia of Punches from just before (or just after - can't remember) the first world war. There were 19 volumes, on various themes, and some of it was still moderately amusing (I remember an article about the pros and cons - mainly cons - of wearing a monocle: proper Edwardian humour). But the 20th volume was a collection of articles and cartoons from the mid-19th century, and while ostensibly humourous, it was entirely lacking in anything recognisably funny. And this was the best stuff of the day. I don't think it was just that I didn't necessarily recognise the references - the entire syntax of humour was different.
" I want to die like my father, peacefully in his sleep, not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus"
Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5284984,-0.0917623,3a,75y,32.45h,89.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIB99oiF-3WWyfrN6-1cCuw!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=0.47008032824835766&panoid=IB99oiF-3WWyfrN6-1cCuw&yaw=32.44624664298082!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==
That doesn't stop people blowing their life savings on cumrocket but it sort of helps with some of the thefts. For example when FTX blew up people who had their money in FTX Japan were OK.
The CEO had the idea of a big expansion into the US. Go for the underbanked - simple account, card, no fees, no overdraft or loans. Basically fish in a large, shallow pond, find the people who go onto to become whales.
The banking license application was horrific - ended up in front of a Senate committee, IIRC. He was getting all kinds of abuse - accused of trying to loan shark and all kinds of strange stuff.
The lawyers explained that his model would violently the local Community Credit type cooperative things - which despite their fuzzy, nice image, charge big rates of interest. And are always tied into local political activism. And from there into the Democratic party political base.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_Goes_the_Weasel
I do remember my mother in law jauntily singing the third voice, to the incredulity of anyone under the age of 65.
"Everyone laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian. Well they're not laughing now."
A weak gotcha imo.
Harris 49
Trump 46
His off TV show would probably be banned these days
Donald Trump’s rallies are going so poorly that Kamala Harris just played a highlight reel at her rally tonight.
https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1845986531992879455
"Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband’s lap.”
Not uproariously funny, but it has farting in it, so relatable.
The site also identifies the oldest 'walked into a bar' joke, which has definitely lost something in the translation or over the years:
“A dog walks into a bar and says, ‘I cannot see a thing. I’ll open this one.’”
We also have a fourth century BC Greek joke book, which contains things syntactically recognisable as jokes, including this one which has endured to the present day and which may possibly be the world's oldest extant joke:
“Asked by the court barber how he wanted his hair cut, the witty fellow replied: ‘In silence.’”
Barbers clearly masters of banal and inane chatter even in ancient times.