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Liz Truss may have lost but she isn’t forgotten – politicalbetting.com

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  • Nigelb said:

    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/02/humongous-fort-found-in-wales-may-disprove-theory-of-celtic-roman-peace

    In other news, chap finds Roman fort. Good for him, though if the pic is anything like reality it was really quite a small fortlet. Maybe a couple of centuries and an orficer?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,287

    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    I thought you normally cast your villains with Brit accents ?
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 147
    Foxy said:

    Possibly the Tories should look at how Truss lost her seat while Hunt saved his against the odds.

    More likely that they will disappear down the rabbit hole.
    Well,

    1. Anti-Hunt activism was at its peak about a decade ago, whereas the Truss witch hunt is still very much ongoing. Rightly or wrongly (and I would argue wrongly, obviously) she has become one of the most reviled politicians in history. Jeremy has almost become a post-hate John Major type figure now.

    2. Hunt's seat has a large number of genuine Lib Dem supporters, but relatively few tactical, rent-a-vote pondlife switchers, making it less volatile. Dare I say it, it probably has more voters who take an intellectual and considered approach to voting than most places...

    3. Norfolk SW was always likely to have a far higher Reform vote, allowing the seat to be taken on a stupidly low share. (And conflating Reform supporters with Trussites because both are 'right wing' is to completely misunderstand either).

    I never thought Truss as an individual was cut out to be PM, and I don't think she's particularly astute, clever or streetwise. However, her values and principles are fairly closely aligned with mine and in a world where people like me usually feel politically homeless, that matters.

    What really, really sucks donkey dick is that her brief Premiership has set back 'Trussism' by decades, without ever putting the ideology to practical scrutiny, let alone delivering any of its benefits. And what is worse, she will be remembered and blamed not for what she did, but for what those reacting to what she might do, did.

    Regardless, I don't think considering Hunt and Truss as two opposite extremes is an accurate analysis. In many ways I'd put them in the same wing of the party. Modernisers, socially liberal, did their best work under Cameron.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,287
    I really don’t give a flying F who Kyle Rittenhouse is voting for, but the little murderer seems to have created quite a fuss on Twitter.

    The weirdo right seem to be losing their collective shit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    My god they’re really laying it on. I think I’m gonna get a glass of the “batard” Montrachet - €1500 a bottle
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,689
    Wow just reading about the swimming controversy with the Chinese guy breaking the 100m record. Isn't anyone at WADA going to do anything about obvious doping by the Chinese?!
  • Nigelb said:

    I thought you normally cast your villains with Brit accents ?
    "The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking - I highly suggest you try it."

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,287
    He’s really enjoying himself now.

    Biden jokes with a reporter: "You're stuck with me as president for a while, kid. There's no way out. You've got me for at least another 100 days or so."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1819223179711176849
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,287
    MaxPB said:

    Wow just reading about the swimming controversy with the Chinese guy breaking the 100m record. Isn't anyone at WADA going to do anything about obvious doping by the Chinese?!

    Almost certainly not.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,051

    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    No, we pronounce it correctly.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,642
    Rather unkind to devote a thread header to winding up LuckyGuy
  • Nigelb said:

    My kids used to call Robbie Williams, Robbilly Williams.

    My brother used to call Lenny Henry "Lenry Henry".
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,051
    rcs1000 said:

    Well that's the thing:

    Alarmist and wrong headlines get clicks. Nuance does not.

    That's also part of the reason why JK Rowling has been driven mad by Twitter.
    Lots of people have been driven mad by Twitter.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    DougSeal said:

    Rather unkind to devote a thread header to winding up LuckyGuy

    Still, apart from the unfortunate pensioners, it won't be long before a truss is something that one used to buy from small surgical appliance and rubber goods shops in the West Port (or, if one is a Londoner, somewhere vaguely between Soho and the back of the British Museum).
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,642
    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Until someone embarrassingly corrected me in my late 20s I pronounced premise “prem-ize”. Awks.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,708
    Kicking off in Sunderland.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,078
    edited August 2024

    Lots of people have been driven mad by Twitter.
    That Man Adams got there first;

    Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,924

    Kicking off in Sunderland.

    Football or riots?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,051
    TimS said:

    Sparkling wine tip of the day. I’m drinking Prosecco, which is as we all know generally shit, but with a couple of shakes of angostura bitters. Makes it palatable.

    Prosecco really is shit. The Fosters of sparkling wine.

    Just ask for champagne instead.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    edited August 2024

    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334
    Leon said:

    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    Not entirely ready to believe that you are the great saviour from dullness. Nonetheless you've often posted worse theories :)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334

    My brother used to call Lenny Henry "Lenry Henry".
    Because my eyesight isn't great I often momentarily read 'Trump' as 'Turnip'. (Always rather amuses me, although I'd much prefer young persons eyes again)
  • Leon said:

    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    Real men are supposed to be interested in trains, rather than spend their time effetely reviewing hotels and/or restaurants!
  • Ben's parents must be so Proud :)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570

    Prosecco really is shit. The Fosters of sparkling wine.

    Just ask for champagne instead.
    A pint of mild would be preferable.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570

    Kicking off in Sunderland.

    They've got plenty to be upset about.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,642
    edited August 2024

    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    I’m thinking of doing my PhD thesis on the local accents of Early Modern England. Although challenging for obvious reasons.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970

    Real men are supposed to be interested in trains, rather than spend their time effetely reviewing hotels and/or restaurants!
    They’ve STARTED me on this wine


    https://www.clossaintemagdeleine.fr/

    It’s paired with a Camargue oyster with petrossian caviar with that dried Japanese tuna belly. And it’s amazing

    I’ll try and keep you all posted as it proceeds. The chef is about 22
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063
    TimS said:

    One thing she isn’t is trans. She was born and brought up female. So this is a case of physiological difference- intersex. It’s a shame it’s got caught up in the culture wars over trans.
    Yes, the two situations do not really raise precisely the same issues, but most of the language will treat it interchangably.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,274
    edited August 2024
    Carnyx said:

    Still, apart from the unfortunate pensioners, it won't be long before a truss is something that one used to buy from small surgical appliance and rubber goods shops in the West Port (or, if one is a Londoner, somewhere vaguely between Soho and the back of the British Museum).
    They’re available, or were, on the NHS and some pharmacists fitted them. The training course was very basic but it was quite rewarding in that one would see a grumbling, bent over old man come in, and send him out standing tall and smiling.
    Usually, anyway.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063

    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    That was the joke. I also used to pronounce Zed as Zee because of American TV.

    Besides, all the other Imperials in those movies were Brits, so Vader should have said PRO gress.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570

    But the Portuguese is Fernao do Po.
    The American is Fernando Poop.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063
    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    Probably cost only €50 to make.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,848
    KnightOut said:

    Well,

    1. Anti-Hunt activism was at its peak about a decade ago, whereas the Truss witch hunt is still very much ongoing. Rightly or wrongly (and I would argue wrongly, obviously) she has become one of the most reviled politicians in history. Jeremy has almost become a post-hate John Major type figure now.

    2. Hunt's seat has a large number of genuine Lib Dem supporters, but relatively few tactical, rent-a-vote pondlife switchers, making it less volatile. Dare I say it, it probably has more voters who take an intellectual and considered approach to voting than most places...

    3. Norfolk SW was always likely to have a far higher Reform vote, allowing the seat to be taken on a stupidly low share. (And conflating Reform supporters with Trussites because both are 'right wing' is to completely misunderstand either).

    I never thought Truss as an individual was cut out to be PM, and I don't think she's particularly astute, clever or streetwise. However, her values and principles are fairly closely aligned with mine and in a world where people like me usually feel politically homeless, that matters.

    What really, really sucks donkey dick is that her brief Premiership has set back 'Trussism' by decades, without ever putting the ideology to practical scrutiny, let alone delivering any of its benefits. And what is worse, she will be remembered and blamed not for what she did, but for what those reacting to what she might do, did.

    Regardless, I don't think considering Hunt and Truss as two opposite extremes is an accurate analysis. In many ways I'd put them in the same wing of the party. Modernisers, socially liberal, did their best work under Cameron.
    Wait:

    What was Truss-ism?

    I ask because I know and like Kwasi. What was the burning intellectual passion that was Truss-ism?

    From where I was standing it seemed like - if it was anything - it was a return to the 1960s where you got the economy moving by cutting taxes and increasing spending. Albeit, I suspect she wouldn't like it described that way.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,484

    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    Pro- is a prefix so that's where the syllabus ends. So in this case, I'd say we're correct
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,484

    Pro- is a prefix so that's where the syllabus ends. So in this case, I'd say we're correct
    Syllabus? Syllable.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    kle4 said:

    Probably cost only €50 to make.
    Dunno. The wines are seriously impressive. And they’re pairing each course
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 439
    edited August 2024
    Boris Johnson needs to put his head above the parapet.

    I assume he may have still have some influence with the rioting nutjobs. At least at the fringes.

    "Respect the victims. Support the police. Go home." or somesuch formulation. When he puts his mind to it, he's good at this stuff.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824

    Pro- is a prefix so that's where the syllabus ends. So in this case, I'd say we're correct
    What about Prog rock?
  • Leon said:

    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    Oi
  • Real men are supposed to be interested in trains, rather than spend their time effetely reviewing hotels and/or restaurants!
    Quite so Sunil.
  • They've got plenty to be upset about.
    There is a distinctly feesh breeze in the air tonight, even as far south as Bedfordshire.

    Can't see too much trouble, the hot humid air is gone.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,978

    Kicking off in Sunderland.

    Who are they playing?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608

    Boris Johnson needs to put his head above the parapet.

    I assume he may have still have some influence with the rioting nutjobs. At least at the fringes.

    "Respect the victims. Support the police. Go home." or somesuch formulation. When he puts his mind to it, he's good at this stuff.

    " he's good at this stuff"

    Citation needed.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570
    A new evil has descended on society:

    Cruffin - a croissant/muffin hybrid.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570
    dixiedean said:

    What about Prog rock?
    It's shit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970

    A pint of mild would be preferable.
    You can actually get good Prosecco. It’s never amazing (in my experience) but the AOC stuff can be zesty yet dry and a nice sparkler. Trouble is the Prosecco explosion means a trillion people are churning it out and they are in grave danger of making it the Liebfraumilch of its era

    German wine used to be serious business. Highly respected. Two decades of blue nun destroyed it and it has never recovered
  • " he's good at this stuff"

    Citation needed.
    Cheap point.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Talk about the need for a tram network connecting Worksop with newent
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608

    Cheap point.
    In keeping with Johnson then.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334

    A new evil has descended on society:

    Cruffin - a croissant/muffin hybrid.

    Requesting that sort of thing in, say, a good French restaurant might produce interesting effects. If only there was someone here on PB currently sitting in a g... Ah @Leon- at last, an experiment to test your devotion to PB!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    Leon said:

    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    What's interesting about that post is it demonstrates, for all your protestations, that you do read PB even when you've been banned. Every post. Even the ones you profess to find boring.

    Are you sure you find us as dull and trivial as you pretend?

    (It's also worth noting the discussion about the WCML centred around an important policy point - what to do with HS2, which needs to be completed to Crewe to bypass major capacity constraints in southern Staffordshire. Admittedly, we got a bit bogged down bickering over exactly how severe those constraints *are* but it's still a major issue that has pretty significant ramifications for politics and indeed the country.)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    Leon said:

    Talk about the need for a tram network connecting Worksop with newent
    Sounds like a plan.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Wait:

    What was Truss-ism?

    I ask because I know and like Kwasi. What was the burning intellectual passion that was Truss-ism?

    From where I was standing it seemed like - if it was anything - it was a return to the 1960s where you got the economy moving by cutting taxes and increasing spending. Albeit, I suspect she wouldn't like it described that way.
    Not sure that's right. She wasn't a Keynesian trying to give the economy a somewhat inflationary, temporary kick up the arse due to markets freezing up.

    It was all a touchingly naive belief in the power of low tax - incentivising entrepreneurs through aggressive tax cutting would unleash permanently higher growth, and the Laffer curve meant no piper to pay.

    Difference between short run stimulus and supposed long run miracle.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,495
    edited August 2024
    kle4 said:

    Probably cost only €50 to make.
    And only €1000 to review.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    Leon said:

    Talk about the need for a tram network connecting Worksop with newent
    That would be blinkin' handy, but we'd need a new line between Ledbury and Newent. How do Labour propose to fund such a venture?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    edited August 2024

    That would be blinkin' handy, but we'd need a new line between Ledbury and Newent. How do Labour propose to fund such a venture?
    I don't think they've built over the old track bed to any great extent, have they? It's certainly still intact between Dymock and Newent, although beyond that road improvements have taken most of it.

    There's one place where the restored canal might be slightly in the way, but only briefly.

    Edit - I suppose you'd have to dig out the old cutting at Four Oaks, but that's not that big an undertaking.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,287
    .

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Patience.
    He’ll be off again at some point.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    Boris Johnson needs to put his head above the parapet.

    I assume he may have still have some influence with the rioting nutjobs. At least at the fringes.

    "Respect the victims. Support the police. Go home." or somesuch formulation. When he puts his mind to it, he's good at this stuff.

    You think a bunch of violent racists would look up to Boris Johnson?
  • That would be blinkin' handy, but we'd need a new line between Ledbury and Newent. How do Labour propose to fund such a venture?
    Ah Intercity trams. They have them in Belgium.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ5wh3kspRk
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Patience.
    He’ll be off again at some point.
    Quite soon, in fact
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,196
    edited August 2024

    A new evil has descended on society:

    Cruffin - a croissant/muffin hybrid.

    They are on sale at the co-op where my wife works and she tells me they are not at all popular.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,287
    Now the Roberts Court has give free rein to Presidential crime, the Senate is the one institution that can take this up.

    Dear @JudiciaryGOP: This seems like a big deal. Then Attorney General Bill Barr allegedly stopped an investigation into whether or not Egypt injected $10 million into the Trump for President campaign in 2016.

    You need to hold a hearing on this explosive allegation.

    https://x.com/tedlieu/status/1819416011193581715
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 439
    edited August 2024
    kinabalu said:

    You think a bunch of violent racists would look up to Boris Johnson?
    They mostly voted for him, just 4 1/2 years ago.
  • ydoethur said:

    What's interesting about that post is it demonstrates, for all your protestations, that you do read PB even when you've been banned. Every post. Even the ones you profess to find boring.

    Are you sure you find us as dull and trivial as you pretend?

    (It's also worth noting the discussion about the WCML centred around an important policy point - what to do with HS2, which needs to be completed to Crewe to bypass major capacity constraints in southern Staffordshire. Admittedly, we got a bit bogged down bickering over exactly how severe those constraints *are* but it's still a major issue that has pretty significant ramifications for politics and indeed the country.)
    One that perfectly illustrates the short term tactical rather than strategic thinking that blights us.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    Leon said:

    Quite soon, in fact
    If we build this tramway, will it make it easier for you to move?
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,921

    Who are they playing?
    Blyth Spartans. A match of equals.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    Chateau de Pibarnoy 2022

    A bandol rose. Who knew?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    edited August 2024
    ydoethur said:

    I don't think they've built over the old track bed to any great extent, have they? It's certainly still intact between Dymock and Newent, although beyond that road improvements have taken most of it.

    There's one place where the restored canal might be slightly in the way, but only briefly.

    Edit - I suppose you'd have to dig out the old cutting at Four Oaks, but that's not that big an undertaking.
    The linebank remains from the station along the the Rec, and there is a walkway under the bridges in Bridge Street and Woodleigh Road and then it seems to peter out somewhere along New Street ( on the way to Dymock).I am assuming it went all the way to Gloucester. Before my time though. So technically we could go all the way from Worksop to Gloucester. Handy!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    Not sure that's right. She wasn't a Keynesian trying to give the economy a somewhat inflationary, temporary kick up the arse due to markets freezing up.

    It was all a touchingly naive belief in the power of low tax - incentivising entrepreneurs through aggressive tax cutting would unleash permanently higher growth, and the Laffer curve meant no piper to pay.

    Difference between short run stimulus and supposed long run miracle.
    She wanted to unleash the animal spirits but what was unleashed was mayhem in the markets.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    Taz said:

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    Leon said:

    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
    I misread that as 'a spicy Moldovan brothel at a random hotel in Kishinev.'

    It still made sense...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    edited August 2024
    ydoethur said:

    I misread that as 'a spicy Moldovan brothel at a random hotel in Kishinev.'

    It still made sense...
    That would be a more fascinating narrative than consuming beetroot soup in a chain hotel.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,771
    edited August 2024
    Nigelb said:

    You could have asked ?
    I remember that one from the double entendre when someone goes barking up the wrong rhetorical tree:

    "Passionate but fallacious".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970

    It would be a more fascinating narrative than beetroot soup in a chain hotel.
    That’s the whole point. You dummy

    A chain hotel like radisson in Chisinau is still sufficiently connected to the Moldovan world around it, they serve serve genuine Moldovan food and it is fab and fresh and unprocessed (and also fucking spicy) not dreary club sandwiches or bland versions of curry

    Zama

    https://www.internationalcuisine.com/moldovan-zeama/

    It’s not beetroot. That’s borscht
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    edited August 2024

    That would be a more fascinating narrative than consuming beetroot soup in a chain hotel.
    Is that some kind of euphemism aimed at getting us back on topic?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    They mostly voted for him, just 4 1/2 years ago.
    Bullseye! Let's think about forming an act. Your Cannon to my Ball.🙂
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,986
    TimS said:

    Despite years of knowing how it's supposed to be pronounced (I think I clocked sometime in my mid 20s) I still read hyperbole as "hyper-bowl".
    Or hyper-bowel in Leon’s case.
  • Leon said:

    Chateau de Pibarnoy 2022

    A bandol rose. Who knew?

    Exquisite. So much made of other rosés but this is just… perfect.

    If you have the chance, 2022 Bandol Blanc is an eye-opener.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,484
    Leon said:

    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
    Only Americans call it bors(c)ht. No t needed. It's борщ in Ukrainian so borshch or borsch as the standard English version
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,771
    edited August 2024
    MattW said:

    I remember that one from the double entendre when someone goes barking up the wrong rhetorical tree:

    "Passionate but fallacious".
    Or I guess you could imagine David Cameron addressing the sheep's skull at the climactic moment, as would any young Oxonian taking the ritual:

    "Alas poor Yorick, I knew him. Fellatio."

    It could even be a magic word in Harry Potter.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644
    kinabalu said:

    She wanted to unleash the animal spirits but what was unleashed was mayhem in the markets.
    Nothing with the theory. But whenever you rely on people lending you money to do what you want, you pretty much have to play things their way. As true for rightists as it is for leftists.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,986
    dixiedean said:

    What about Prog rock?
    Pro grok for the incels.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    edited August 2024
    ydoethur said:

    Is that some kind of euphemism aimed at getting us back on topic?
    No I conflated Leon's two dreary dinner related reminiscences with your rather racy misread.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644
    Taz said:

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    Chicken Kathmandu from the Great Kathmandu, West Didsbury. Which was the second curry I had after I moved back to Greater Manchester 16 years ago was so good it's what I've had ever since.
    It has both eggs AND potatoes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,924

    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    We also pronounce project correctly, with a short "o" sound.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,771

    They are on sale at the co-op where my wife works and she tells me they are not at all popular.
    Coming soon to MacDonalds as the Maguffin.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,287
    U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers announced the largest fentanyl seizure in agency history.

    A U.S. citizen was caught smuggling 4 million fentanyl pills weighing over 1,000 pounds in his pickup truck at a port of entry.

    https://x.com/HouseJudiciary/status/1819375650899161113

    Not a bad week for the administration.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,786
    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970

    Exquisite. So much made of other rosés but this is just… perfect.

    If you have the chance, 2022 Bandol Blanc is an eye-opener.
    I’ve asked for a second glass. What a wine
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,202
    Iranian TV: ” In coming hours, the World will witness Extraordinary Scenes and Very Important Developments.”

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1819465211440779456
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,786
    Andy_JS said:

    We also pronounce project correctly, with a short "o" sound.
    Unless we are speaking in a loud manner predicting a scheme about a means of delivery in a throwing manner.

    In which case we project the project of the project project
  • viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    Thats a bit of a blow.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    Here it is. Probably the best rose wine I’ve ever had

    https://josephbarneswines.com/products/chateau-de-pibarnon-bandol-rose-2022
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