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  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,093
    TimS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    bobbob said:

    tlg86 said:

    bobbob said:

    I am 100% convinced the Olympics boxing “controversy” is manufactured by Russia through their control of the IBA

    Fits their playbook !

    I don't think so. Played around with this site and I reckon there is a case to answer. The result for Khelif varies depending on what you show it. But when it gets a look at the whole body, it says male.

    I put in some women who I know are definitely women, including one I thought it might struggle with, and it was 95% confident of them being women every time.

    If you can find one that it gets wrong, I'll accept that it's not infallible.

    https://www.nyckel.com/pretrained-classifiers/gender-detector/


    I 100% think so

    Literslly took me a minute to put one of the most famous female athletes in the world


    You can’t trust AI anyway of things like this one of the open problems in image processing is an accurately detecting different kinds of fish !!
    Has it not occurred to you that Britney Grier might actually be a man?
    What this discussion demonstrates is that (some) PBers think that a person is a man or woman depending on their visual appearance. Is this a majority PB view?
    If you asked someone to say how do we know someone is male or female, they wouldn't be able to explain it. We just know, don't we?

    Interesting thing on Greiner is her voice:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNPZdTmpDs

    Honestly? I'd say that's a man's voice, but, I'm guessing there is no doubt about her, which has made me stop and think a bit more about the boxing situation.

    EDIT: Imane Khelif sounds feminine here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrODpZ-g_nc
    Khelif's sex needs proper scientific evaluation. The problem is precisely noone is actually interested in the specifics with one side saying how everyone claiming she's a man is a raging transphobe and the other taking the fact she's got a hefty amount of punching power and her looks as positive proof that she's definitely a man.
    To my mind is simply boils down to does she have testes, internal or otherwise. That is what gives male advantage. And we do not know because noone is actually interested in the truth. Noone that matters anyway
    One thing she isn’t is trans. She was born and brought up female. So this is a case of physiological difference- intersex. It’s a shame it’s got caught up in the culture wars over trans.
    We don't know if she's intersex. Lots of people are assuming things. The IOC cleared her to compete. The IBA did not, but precisely why is unclear and there were lots of problems with the IBA. There are reports that she had too high testosterone or that she's chromosomally XY, but neither has been confirmed AIUI.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    TimS said:

    Sparkling wine tip of the day. I’m drinking Prosecco, which is as we all know generally shit, but with a couple of shakes of angostura bitters. Makes it palatable.

    Soda water with a couple of drops of Angostura is an old alcoholic's trick for something which tastes like a real drink but has very little alcohol.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    edited August 2

    viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    Thats a bit of a blow.
    A relative of mine calls them "gob jobs". Which I think makes more sense than "blow jobs"
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091

    Iranian TV: ” In coming hours, the World will witness Extraordinary Scenes and Very Important Developments.”

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1819465211440779456

    Leon, that's your cue I think.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    Leon said:

    Here it is. Probably the best rose wine I’ve ever had

    https://josephbarneswines.com/products/chateau-de-pibarnon-bandol-rose-2022

    Better than this?

    https://hedonism.co.uk/product/bandol-rose-domaine-tempier-2023

    Because that's the benchmark.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    Thats a bit of a blow.
    A relative of mine calls them "gob jobs". Which I think makes more sense.
    The origin of “blow job” is fascinating

    People presume - as I did - that it comes from notions of blowing or sucking but it’s not true. It comes from late Victorian london prostitute slang and it is a truncation of a “down below job” - a task assigned to the whore that meant she had to lower her mouth below the belt

    See. Now I’ve returned we’re talking about sexual etymology not the rerouting of trains via crewe
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,403

    Iranian TV: ” In coming hours, the World will witness Extraordinary Scenes and Very Important Developments.”

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1819465211440779456

    They're not going to shoot down a random passenger aircraft again, are they?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,093
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    Not entirely ready to believe that you are the great saviour from dullness. Nonetheless you've often posted worse theories :)
    And the lab leak theory has been pretty much disproven, particularly by the genetic evidence ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9348752/ ).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,729
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
    I misread that as 'a spicy Moldovan brothel at a random hotel in Kishinev.'

    It still made sense...
    It would be a more fascinating narrative than beetroot soup in a chain hotel.
    That’s the whole point. You dummy

    A chain hotel like radisson in Chisinau is still sufficiently connected to the Moldovan world around it, they serve serve genuine Moldovan food and it is fab and fresh and unprocessed (and also fucking spicy) not dreary club sandwiches or bland versions of curry

    Zama

    https://www.internationalcuisine.com/moldovan-zeama/

    It’s not beetroot. That’s borscht
    I see that recipe is described as also a hangover cure.

    No idea why you'd be attracted to it. :smiley:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,990
    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    Not entirely ready to believe that you are the great saviour from dullness. Nonetheless you've often posted worse theories :)
    And the lab leak theory has been pretty much disproven, particularly by the genetic evidence ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9348752/ ).
    lol. I kinda love you for your bizarre and insane persistence. Also despise you. But you know that
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 144
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Here it is. Probably the best rose wine I’ve ever had

    https://josephbarneswines.com/products/chateau-de-pibarnon-bandol-rose-2022

    Better than this?

    https://hedonism.co.uk/product/bandol-rose-domaine-tempier-2023

    Because that's the benchmark.
    Yes. Much better. Chateau Ste Anne Bandol Rose is better than Tempier too.

    Don’t wish to knock Tempier. Their white is delicious.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Here it is. Probably the best rose wine I’ve ever had

    https://josephbarneswines.com/products/chateau-de-pibarnon-bandol-rose-2022

    Better than this?

    https://hedonism.co.uk/product/bandol-rose-domaine-tempier-2023

    Because that's the benchmark.
    Never had it. They seem to be a similar price. £35 a bottle. Must be a close call

    All I can say is that rose I just had is the best I’ve ever had
  • ydoethur said:

    Iranian TV: ” In coming hours, the World will witness Extraordinary Scenes and Very Important Developments.”

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1819465211440779456

    They're not going to shoot down a random passenger aircraft again, are they?
    No, they have put a Fatwa on Shugborough Tunnel.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    Isn't the NY Post a Murdoch vehicle? A bit like the print edition of Fox News. Next.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,093
    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    Not exactly the most reliable source, is it?
  • BromptonBrompton Posts: 20
    Nigelb said:

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers announced the largest fentanyl seizure in agency history.

    A U.S. citizen was caught smuggling 4 million fentanyl pills weighing over 1,000 pounds in his pickup truck at a port of entry.

    https://x.com/HouseJudiciary/status/1819375650899161113

    Not a bad week for the administration.

    Except the rule of thumb is 10% max gets intercepted so the bigger the bust the bigger the problem.

    More generally I agree. By looking sharp as a pin Joe has nixed any claim they were covering up his drooling vegetable status. If he starts drooling any time after now they just say Yup this is exactly what we feared was coming.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,990

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    Isn't the NY Post a Murdoch vehicle? A bit like the print edition of Fox News. Next.
    It has a big readership in New York though
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406

    Iranian TV: ” In coming hours, the World will witness Extraordinary Scenes and Very Important Developments.”

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1819465211440779456

    Someone pulling out of the Tory leadership?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,848
    edited August 2
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    Thats a bit of a blow.
    A relative of mine calls them "gob jobs". Which I think makes more sense.
    The origin of “blow job” is fascinating

    People presume - as I did - that it comes from notions of blowing or sucking but it’s not true. It comes from late Victorian london prostitute slang and it is a truncation of a “down below job” - a task assigned to the whore that meant she had to lower her mouth below the belt

    See. Now I’ve returned we’re talking about sexual etymology not the rerouting of trains via crewe
    Just have a look at the meaning of "getting off at BR Edge Hill".
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    It's a bit of a mouthful in fairness.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    edited August 2
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Here it is. Probably the best rose wine I’ve ever had

    https://josephbarneswines.com/products/chateau-de-pibarnon-bandol-rose-2022

    Better than this?

    https://hedonism.co.uk/product/bandol-rose-domaine-tempier-2023

    Because that's the benchmark.
    Never had it. They seem to be a similar price. £35 a bottle. Must be a close call

    All I can say is that rose I just had is the best I’ve ever had
    All colours of Dom. Tempier outstanding.

    (Bear in mind that Hedonism is overpriced. "What would happen if we opened a wine shop in Mayfair and had no fucking shame?" being their business model.)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    Thats a bit of a blow.
    A relative of mine calls them "gob jobs". Which I think makes more sense.
    The origin of “blow job” is fascinating

    People presume - as I did - that it comes from notions of blowing or sucking but it’s not true. It comes from late Victorian london prostitute slang and it is a truncation of a “down below job” - a task assigned to the whore that meant she had to lower her mouth below the belt

    See. Now I’ve returned we’re talking about sexual etymology not the rerouting of trains via crewe
    "Can I park my train inside your tunnel?"
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,848
    dixiedean said:

    viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    It's a bit of a mouthful in fairness.
    *perks up ears at the realisation that it is a potential nonuple word in Scrabble*
  • BromptonBrompton Posts: 20
    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,093

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    Isn't the NY Post a Murdoch vehicle? A bit like the print edition of Fox News. Next.
    Got the identity of the Olympic Park bomber wrong, got sued, had to settle. Got the Boston Marathon bomber wrong, got sued, had to settle. Compared Obama to a chimpanzee in a cartoon. And this from Wikipedia is wild ride...

    In April 2021, the Post published a false front-page story asserting that copies of a book by vice president Kamala Harris were being distributed to migrant children at an intake facility in Long Beach, California.[134] Fox News then published a story about the matter, followed by numerous Republican politicians and pundits commenting on it, in some cases speculating that taxpayers were funding the supposed book handouts for Harris's personal profit.[134][135] Responding to questions from Fox News correspondent Peter Doocy, White House press secretary Jen Psaki expressed no knowledge of the matter; the Post then published a new story headlined "Psaki has no answers when asked about Harris' book being given to child migrants."[136] Four days after the original publication, the Post replaced the story with a new version clarifying that just one Harris book had been donated by a community member but maintained that it was an "open-arms gesture by the Biden administration," though there was no evidence of the administration's involvement.[136] Laura Italiano, the author of the story, resigned that day, asserting she had been "ordered" to write it.[57][136]
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,990
    edited August 2

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    Not exactly the most reliable source, is it?
    It comes from a Democrat 'An unearthed 2019 op-ed from professor Terry McAteer published in California newspaper The Union describes the “eye-opening” month his son Gregory spent as an intern for Harris, now the presumptive Democratic nominee for president.

    McAteer, a Democrat with generational political ties to the party, claimed his son was subjected to a “side of Kamala Harris which the general public does not know”'

    To be honest I am not surprised, Trump and Harris are the most dislikeable 2 US presidential candidates of my lifetime
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,729
    edited August 2
    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.
  • BromptonBrompton Posts: 20

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    Thats a bit of a blow.
    A relative of mine calls them "gob jobs". Which I think makes more sense.
    The origin of “blow job” is fascinating

    People presume - as I did - that it comes from notions of blowing or sucking but it’s not true. It comes from late Victorian london prostitute slang and it is a truncation of a “down below job” - a task assigned to the whore that meant she had to lower her mouth below the belt

    See. Now I’ve returned we’re talking about sexual etymology not the rerouting of trains via crewe
    "Can I park my train inside your tunnel?"
    Depends how broad your gauge is.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    Thats a bit of a blow.
    A relative of mine calls them "gob jobs". Which I think makes more sense.
    The origin of “blow job” is fascinating

    People presume - as I did - that it comes from notions of blowing or sucking but it’s not true. It comes from late Victorian london prostitute slang and it is a truncation of a “down below job” - a task assigned to the whore that meant she had to lower her mouth below the belt

    See. Now I’ve returned we’re talking about sexual etymology not the rerouting of trains via crewe
    Just have a look at the meaning of "getting off at BR Edge Hill".
    Or indeed change at Baker Street.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,848
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    Thats a bit of a blow.
    A relative of mine calls them "gob jobs". Which I think makes more sense.
    The origin of “blow job” is fascinating

    People presume - as I did - that it comes from notions of blowing or sucking but it’s not true. It comes from late Victorian london prostitute slang and it is a truncation of a “down below job” - a task assigned to the whore that meant she had to lower her mouth below the belt

    See. Now I’ve returned we’re talking about sexual etymology not the rerouting of trains via crewe
    And also read up on the trains on the North London Line (I think it was: comes off the WCML very close to you) when it had compartments and no corridors, and a particularly long section between two stops.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,996
    Extraordinary Scenes and Very Important Developments” is:

    A. The bittersweet memoirs of an American political journalist operating in Pakistan during the troubled years following partition
    B. The long awaited sequel to A Series of Unfortunate Events
    C. A threat of retaliation against Israel by the IRG?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited August 2
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    Isn't the NY Post a Murdoch vehicle? A bit like the print edition of Fox News. Next.
    It has a big readership in New York though
    Is New York in play? If Trump has a chance there then Harris may as well give up. But, on Planet Earth, it isn’t. Biden was averaging 8 point leads in the state. Harris has probably added three or four points to that. So the Post, on your own argument, is pissing in the wind.
  • BromptonBrompton Posts: 20
    TimS said:

    Extraordinary Scenes and Very Important Developments” is:

    A. The bittersweet memoirs of an American political journalist operating in Pakistan during the troubled years following partition
    B. The long awaited sequel to A Series of Unfortunate Events
    C. A threat of retaliation against Israel by the IRG?

    The title of the North Korea TV knock off of The Thick of It, translated back.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872
    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Its fairly obvious who recruited him. He was described as dangerously inaccurate by his schook rifle club. The only people likely to recruit him is the people being shot at.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,534

    TimS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    bobbob said:

    tlg86 said:

    bobbob said:

    I am 100% convinced the Olympics boxing “controversy” is manufactured by Russia through their control of the IBA

    Fits their playbook !

    I don't think so. Played around with this site and I reckon there is a case to answer. The result for Khelif varies depending on what you show it. But when it gets a look at the whole body, it says male.

    I put in some women who I know are definitely women, including one I thought it might struggle with, and it was 95% confident of them being women every time.

    If you can find one that it gets wrong, I'll accept that it's not infallible.

    https://www.nyckel.com/pretrained-classifiers/gender-detector/


    I 100% think so

    Literslly took me a minute to put one of the most famous female athletes in the world


    You can’t trust AI anyway of things like this one of the open problems in image processing is an accurately detecting different kinds of fish !!
    Has it not occurred to you that Britney Grier might actually be a man?
    What this discussion demonstrates is that (some) PBers think that a person is a man or woman depending on their visual appearance. Is this a majority PB view?
    If you asked someone to say how do we know someone is male or female, they wouldn't be able to explain it. We just know, don't we?

    Interesting thing on Greiner is her voice:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNPZdTmpDs

    Honestly? I'd say that's a man's voice, but, I'm guessing there is no doubt about her, which has made me stop and think a bit more about the boxing situation.

    EDIT: Imane Khelif sounds feminine here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrODpZ-g_nc
    Khelif's sex needs proper scientific evaluation. The problem is precisely noone is actually interested in the specifics with one side saying how everyone claiming she's a man is a raging transphobe and the other taking the fact she's got a hefty amount of punching power and her looks as positive proof that she's definitely a man.
    To my mind is simply boils down to does she have testes, internal or otherwise. That is what gives male advantage. And we do not know because noone is actually interested in the truth. Noone that matters anyway
    One thing she isn’t is trans. She was born and brought up female. So this is a case of physiological difference- intersex. It’s a shame it’s got caught up in the culture wars over trans.
    We don't know if she's intersex. Lots of people are assuming things. The IOC cleared her to compete. The IBA did not, but precisely why is unclear and there were lots of problems with the IBA. There are reports that she had too high testosterone or that she's chromosomally XY, but neither has been confirmed AIUI.
    Is this the same issue that the South African runner had a few years ago? A natural difference from the defined parameters?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    TimS said:

    Extraordinary Scenes and Very Important Developments” is:

    A. The bittersweet memoirs of an American political journalist operating in Pakistan during the troubled years following partition
    B. The long awaited sequel to A Series of Unfortunate Events
    C. A threat of retaliation against Israel by the IRG?

    D. Sequel to Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close
  • Brompton said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
    Most popes (in recent centuries. Not this Pope.

    He is quite fond of F Bombs (of various types)

    https://www.ansa.it/english/news/vatican/2024/06/12/pope-used-derogatory-term-for-gays-again-sources_d848d862-c9c8-4731-b0d0-eb644a38ee65.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/mar/03/pope-francis-swears-vatican-blessing-video
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,534
    edited August 2

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    If he hadn't done it before, Farage has definitely jumped the shark on this one.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    Taz said:

    Kicking off in Sunderland.

    Who are they playing?
    Blyth Spartans. A match of equals.
    Hopefully will pass through Blyth Bebside on the way to Ashington station within the next couple of months.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,077
    Brompton said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
    My dear wife of 60 years doesn't and wouldn't even think to do it
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,093

    TimS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    bobbob said:

    tlg86 said:

    bobbob said:

    I am 100% convinced the Olympics boxing “controversy” is manufactured by Russia through their control of the IBA

    Fits their playbook !

    I don't think so. Played around with this site and I reckon there is a case to answer. The result for Khelif varies depending on what you show it. But when it gets a look at the whole body, it says male.

    I put in some women who I know are definitely women, including one I thought it might struggle with, and it was 95% confident of them being women every time.

    If you can find one that it gets wrong, I'll accept that it's not infallible.

    https://www.nyckel.com/pretrained-classifiers/gender-detector/


    I 100% think so

    Literslly took me a minute to put one of the most famous female athletes in the world


    You can’t trust AI anyway of things like this one of the open problems in image processing is an accurately detecting different kinds of fish !!
    Has it not occurred to you that Britney Grier might actually be a man?
    What this discussion demonstrates is that (some) PBers think that a person is a man or woman depending on their visual appearance. Is this a majority PB view?
    If you asked someone to say how do we know someone is male or female, they wouldn't be able to explain it. We just know, don't we?

    Interesting thing on Greiner is her voice:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNPZdTmpDs

    Honestly? I'd say that's a man's voice, but, I'm guessing there is no doubt about her, which has made me stop and think a bit more about the boxing situation.

    EDIT: Imane Khelif sounds feminine here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrODpZ-g_nc
    Khelif's sex needs proper scientific evaluation. The problem is precisely noone is actually interested in the specifics with one side saying how everyone claiming she's a man is a raging transphobe and the other taking the fact she's got a hefty amount of punching power and her looks as positive proof that she's definitely a man.
    To my mind is simply boils down to does she have testes, internal or otherwise. That is what gives male advantage. And we do not know because noone is actually interested in the truth. Noone that matters anyway
    One thing she isn’t is trans. She was born and brought up female. So this is a case of physiological difference- intersex. It’s a shame it’s got caught up in the culture wars over trans.
    We don't know if she's intersex. Lots of people are assuming things. The IOC cleared her to compete. The IBA did not, but precisely why is unclear and there were lots of problems with the IBA. There are reports that she had too high testosterone or that she's chromosomally XY, but neither has been confirmed AIUI.
    OK, the latest BBC article has this...

    The IBA denied Khelif's testosterone levels had been tested.

    In an interview with BBC sports editor Dan Roan on Thursday, IBA chief executive Chris Roberts said XY chromosomes were found in "both cases". [Khelif's and another boxer's]

    Roberts said there were "different strands involved in that" and therefore the body could not commit to referring to Khelif as "biologically male".

    The IOC has raised doubts over the accuracy of the tests.

    "We don't know what the protocol was, we don't know whether the test was accurate, we don't know whether we should believe the test," said IOC spokesperson Adams.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Brompton said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
    My dear wife of 60 years doesn't and wouldn't even think to do it
    Are you married to Holly Willoughby?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,077

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    I noticed that both Starmer and Reeves ratings have dropped since the election and a sensible leader has a chance to make progress but not Jenrick IMHO
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,990
    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    Isn't the NY Post a Murdoch vehicle? A bit like the print edition of Fox News. Next.
    It has a big readership in New York though
    Is New York in play? If Trump has a chance there then Harris may as well give up. But, on Planet Earth, it isn’t. Biden was averaging 8 point leads in the state. Harris has probably added three or four points to that. So the Post, on your own argument, is pissing in the wind.
    Not in the EC maybe but it could make a difference in the popular vote given NY is one of the biggest states
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    I'm sure some of my employees would level similar complaints at me.
  • Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    Thats a bit of a blow.
    A relative of mine calls them "gob jobs". Which I think makes more sense.
    The origin of “blow job” is fascinating

    People presume - as I did - that it comes from notions of blowing or sucking but it’s not true. It comes from late Victorian london prostitute slang and it is a truncation of a “down below job” - a task assigned to the whore that meant she had to lower her mouth below the belt

    See. Now I’ve returned we’re talking about sexual etymology not the rerouting of trains via crewe
    And also read up on the trains on the North London Line (I think it was: comes off the WCML very close to you) when it had compartments and no corridors, and a particularly long section between two stops.
    Would that have been between Acton Central and Williesden Junction?

    Waterloo East caused sexual chaos when it opened. Before it opened trains went from Charing Cross to Cannon St before reversing, which was just enough time.

    Then Waterloo East opened and people barged on in the middle of proceedings.

  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019
    .

    Iranian TV: ” In coming hours, the World will witness Extraordinary Scenes and Very Important Developments.”

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1819465211440779456

    If it’s not the Ayatollah doing the white-eared elephant then I’m going to be most put out….
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406

    Taz said:

    Kicking off in Sunderland.

    Who are they playing?
    Blyth Spartans. A match of equals.
    Hopefully will pass through Blyth Bebside on the way to Ashington station within the next couple of months.
    Was looking at Ashington station today. Seems ready to use. Looks no different to any other Metro terminus. Less grand than the Airport.
    You'll be disappointed to hear December is now the plan.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/northumberland-line-december-opening-cost-29664780.amp
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,534
    Evening folks, so, moving on from my random drive by comments, a question for the PB brains trust. I assume this has already been addressed but I missed it.

    How come Tommy Robinson is marching in London today when a warrent was issued for his arrest a few days ago?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    edited August 2

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    If he hadn't done it before, Farage has definitely jumped the shark on this one.
    I think he's been remarkably restrained. Indeed maybe too much so

    He made one 90 second video saying “there are questions to be asked, legitimately” and that is clearly true and fair. And that’s it
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,729

    Nick Lowles
    @lowles_nick
    ·
    12m
    For those who say these aren’t far right protests, well, in Sunderland they shouted racist slogans, they attacked an Uber driver’s car because of his colour and they attempted to march on the mosque, only stopped by riot police. Pretty conclusive evidence if you ask me
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    Isn't the NY Post a Murdoch vehicle? A bit like the print edition of Fox News. Next.
    It has a big readership in New York though
    Is New York in play? If Trump has a chance there then Harris may as well give up. But, on Planet Earth, it isn’t. Biden was averaging 8 point leads in the state. Harris has probably added three or four points to that. So the Post, on your own argument, is pissing in the wind.
    Not in the EC maybe but it could make a difference in the popular vote given NY is one of the biggest states
    The NY Post runs stories shitting on the Democrats every day. It’s like posting a DM or DT article critical of Starmer or a Guardian article critical of Sunak. Unless it gets traction elsewhere this article will make zero difference.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,077
    DougSeal said:

    Brompton said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
    My dear wife of 60 years doesn't and wouldn't even think to do it
    Are you married to Holly Willoughby?
    I am married to a very special kind and loving lady who I haven't heard swear once in our 60 plus years

    And who is Holly Willoughby?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,729
    Leon said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    If he hadn't done it before, Farage has definitely jumped the shark on this one.
    I think he's been remarkably restrained. Indeed maybe too much so

    He made one 90 second video saying “there are questions to be asked, legitimately” and that is clearly true and fair. And that’s it
    What are the questions?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748

    DougSeal said:

    Brompton said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
    My dear wife of 60 years doesn't and wouldn't even think to do it
    Are you married to Holly Willoughby?
    I am married to a very special kind and loving lady who I haven't heard swear once in our 60 plus years

    And who is Holly Willoughby?
    Ya know. Willabooby.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406


    Nick Lowles
    @lowles_nick
    ·
    12m
    For those who say these aren’t far right protests, well, in Sunderland they shouted racist slogans, they attacked an Uber driver’s car because of his colour and they attempted to march on the mosque, only stopped by riot police. Pretty conclusive evidence if you ask me

    Or, an average Friday night out in Sunderland.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited August 2
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Kicking off in Sunderland.

    Who are they playing?
    Blyth Spartans. A match of equals.
    Hopefully will pass through Blyth Bebside on the way to Ashington station within the next couple of months.
    Was looking at Ashington station today. Seems ready to use. Looks no different to any other Metro terminus. Less grand than the Airport.
    You'll be disappointed to hear December is now the plan.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/northumberland-line-december-opening-cost-29664780.amp
    The Northern Heights line from Moorgate to Alexandra Palace was at a similar stage of completion when Labour got into power in 1945 and cancelled it.

    #RachelBeeching © @Sunil_Prasannan
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,077
    moonshine said:

    DougSeal said:

    Brompton said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
    My dear wife of 60 years doesn't and wouldn't even think to do it
    Are you married to Holly Willoughby?
    I am married to a very special kind and loving lady who I haven't heard swear once in our 60 plus years

    And who is Holly Willoughby?
    Ya know. Willabooby.
    No idea but then I am not someone who has any interest in celebrities and the like
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    If he hadn't done it before, Farage has definitely jumped the shark on this one.
    I think he's been remarkably restrained. Indeed maybe too much so

    He made one 90 second video saying “there are questions to be asked, legitimately” and that is clearly true and fair. And that’s it
    That’s an out of context quote from a video that essentially excused attacks on mosques. We know you’re fash curious - you’d do well to finally come out of the closet on this one. If you think what’s happening in Sunderland tonight is excusable say so, and explain why.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,093

    TimS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    bobbob said:

    tlg86 said:

    bobbob said:

    I am 100% convinced the Olympics boxing “controversy” is manufactured by Russia through their control of the IBA

    Fits their playbook !

    I don't think so. Played around with this site and I reckon there is a case to answer. The result for Khelif varies depending on what you show it. But when it gets a look at the whole body, it says male.

    I put in some women who I know are definitely women, including one I thought it might struggle with, and it was 95% confident of them being women every time.

    If you can find one that it gets wrong, I'll accept that it's not infallible.

    https://www.nyckel.com/pretrained-classifiers/gender-detector/


    I 100% think so

    Literslly took me a minute to put one of the most famous female athletes in the world


    You can’t trust AI anyway of things like this one of the open problems in image processing is an accurately detecting different kinds of fish !!
    Has it not occurred to you that Britney Grier might actually be a man?
    What this discussion demonstrates is that (some) PBers think that a person is a man or woman depending on their visual appearance. Is this a majority PB view?
    If you asked someone to say how do we know someone is male or female, they wouldn't be able to explain it. We just know, don't we?

    Interesting thing on Greiner is her voice:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNPZdTmpDs

    Honestly? I'd say that's a man's voice, but, I'm guessing there is no doubt about her, which has made me stop and think a bit more about the boxing situation.

    EDIT: Imane Khelif sounds feminine here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrODpZ-g_nc
    Khelif's sex needs proper scientific evaluation. The problem is precisely noone is actually interested in the specifics with one side saying how everyone claiming she's a man is a raging transphobe and the other taking the fact she's got a hefty amount of punching power and her looks as positive proof that she's definitely a man.
    To my mind is simply boils down to does she have testes, internal or otherwise. That is what gives male advantage. And we do not know because noone is actually interested in the truth. Noone that matters anyway
    One thing she isn’t is trans. She was born and brought up female. So this is a case of physiological difference- intersex. It’s a shame it’s got caught up in the culture wars over trans.
    We don't know if she's intersex. Lots of people are assuming things. The IOC cleared her to compete. The IBA did not, but precisely why is unclear and there were lots of problems with the IBA. There are reports that she had too high testosterone or that she's chromosomally XY, but neither has been confirmed AIUI.
    Is this the same issue that the South African runner had a few years ago? A natural difference from the defined parameters?
    We don't know. Caster Semenya has 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5-ARD), where she is chromosomally XY and has testes internally (producing testosterone), but is externally female in anatomy, was raised a girl and has always identified as female. Khelif might have the same, but we don't know. Tests were done by the IBA, but we don't have details (they've said she's XY, which could be 5-ARD, but could be other things) and the IOC don't trust the IBA (because they're Russian and because of the Russian doping scandal).

    The IOC position is that she is a woman, end of. Her Italian opponent has withdrawn her complaints and apologised to Khelif.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,172
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Its fairly obvious who recruited him. He was described as dangerously inaccurate by his schook rifle club. The only people likely to recruit him is the people being shot at.
    Doubt we'll ever know. Whole thing was so eerie.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    edited August 2

    Leon said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    If he hadn't done it before, Farage has definitely jumped the shark on this one.
    I think he's been remarkably restrained. Indeed maybe too much so

    He made one 90 second video saying “there are questions to be asked, legitimately” and that is clearly true and fair. And that’s it
    What are the questions?
    Really? REALLY?

    Just think for yourself. I don’t want to get banned again for the 19th time in a week but examine the evidence we have and do some digging and then think for yourself rather than relying on pabulum fed you by mainstream media which - remember - told us he was a good Welsh boy of 17 from a nice family and maybe he’s a bit autistic so that’s all it is

    Insane drivel
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,990
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    I'm sure some of my employees would level similar complaints at me.
    This too? 'Harris instructed her entire staff to stand every morning as she entered the office and say, ‘Good Morning General’...“Gregory was also given instructions to never address Harris nor look her in the eye as that privilege was only allowed to senior staff members.”
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Its fairly obvious who recruited him. He was described as dangerously inaccurate by his schook rifle club. The only people likely to recruit him is the people being shot at.
    They recruited him because they knew his shooting was so poor the best he could do was hit Trump's ear?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,990

    moonshine said:

    DougSeal said:

    Brompton said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
    My dear wife of 60 years doesn't and wouldn't even think to do it
    Are you married to Holly Willoughby?
    I am married to a very special kind and loving lady who I haven't heard swear once in our 60 plus years

    And who is Holly Willoughby?
    Ya know. Willabooby.
    No idea but then I am not someone who has any interest in celebrities and the like
    The target of Jabba the Hut
    https://news.sky.com/story/holly-willoughby-kidnap-plot-trial-gavin-plumb-says-tv-presenter-was-his-celebrity-crush-13160270
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,093

    Evening folks, so, moving on from my random drive by comments, a question for the PB brains trust. I assume this has already been addressed but I missed it.

    How come Tommy Robinson is marching in London today when a warrent was issued for his arrest a few days ago?

    I don't think he is marching in London today. He remains out of the country, I believe.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,729

    Evening folks, so, moving on from my random drive by comments, a question for the PB brains trust. I assume this has already been addressed but I missed it.

    How come Tommy Robinson is marching in London today when a warrent was issued for his arrest a few days ago?

    I don't think he is marching in London today. He remains out of the country, I believe.
    Such a f*cking patriot who loves his country he has to leave it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    DougSeal said:

    Brompton said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
    My dear wife of 60 years doesn't and wouldn't even think to do it
    Are you married to Holly Willoughby?
    I am married to a very special kind and loving lady who I haven't heard swear once in our 60 plus years

    And who is Holly Willoughby?
    Women should only swear in bed. Men should only cry during war

    I invented these rules when I was 30 and they remain sound. Indeed they aren’t rules they are guidelines for life. Women SHOULD swear in bed etc
  • eekeek Posts: 28,371

    Evening folks, so, moving on from my random drive by comments, a question for the PB brains trust. I assume this has already been addressed but I missed it.

    How come Tommy Robinson is marching in London today when a warrent was issued for his arrest a few days ago?

    No warrant was issued - he wasn't required to attend on Monday. If he doesn't turn up in October (next court date) a warrant will be issued.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406

    Evening folks, so, moving on from my random drive by comments, a question for the PB brains trust. I assume this has already been addressed but I missed it.

    How come Tommy Robinson is marching in London today when a warrent was issued for his arrest a few days ago?

    I don't think he is marching in London today. He remains out of the country, I believe.
    Whose country?
    Not his it would seem.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,992
    The Neds in Sunderland have such "legitimate concerns" they torched the police station...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,093
    eek said:

    Evening folks, so, moving on from my random drive by comments, a question for the PB brains trust. I assume this has already been addressed but I missed it.

    How come Tommy Robinson is marching in London today when a warrent was issued for his arrest a few days ago?

    No warrant was issued - he wasn't required to attend on Monday. If he doesn't turn up in October (next court date) a warrant will be issued.
    The media report an arrest warrant was issued a few days ago.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 795
    Sod it, I've laid Jenrick. I'll lay more if price decreases but we seem to be at a bit of an inflection point and I hate him so much.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,172
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    If he hadn't done it before, Farage has definitely jumped the shark on this one.
    I think he's been remarkably restrained. Indeed maybe too much so

    He made one 90 second video saying “there are questions to be asked, legitimately” and that is clearly true and fair. And that’s it
    What are the questions?
    Really? REALLY?

    Just think for yourself. I don’t want to get banned again for the 19th time in a week but examine the evidence we have and do some digging and then think for yourself rather than relying on pabulum fed you by mainstream media which - remember - told us he was a good Welsh boy of 17 from a nice family and maybe he’s a bit autistic so that’s all it is

    Insane drivel
    You're doing my response for me now, I see. That's a good innovation.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Its fairly obvious who recruited him. He was described as dangerously inaccurate by his schook rifle club. The only people likely to recruit him is the people being shot at.
    They recruited him because they knew his shooting was so poor the best he could do was hit Trump's ear?
    The TDS explanation for the shooting is the most deranged thing I’ve ever heard. And I have heard otherwise intelligent people espouse it irl. ThT Trump staged a shooting by a loser kid, to just miss his head, in order to win sympathy votes. I mean really. I wouldn’t trust that Turkish Olympic gangsta shooter to just graze my ear from 150m, yet alone some incel kid thrown out his high school shooting team.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited August 2
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    If he hadn't done it before, Farage has definitely jumped the shark on this one.
    I think he's been remarkably restrained. Indeed maybe too much so

    He made one 90 second video saying “there are questions to be asked, legitimately” and that is clearly true and fair. And that’s it
    What are the questions?
    Really? REALLY?

    Just think for yourself. I don’t want to get banned again for the 19th time in a week but examine the evidence we have and do some digging and then think for yourself rather than relying on pabulum fed you by mainstream media which - remember - told us he was a good Welsh boy of 17 from a nice family and maybe he’s a bit autistic so that’s all it is

    Insane drivel
    So, your “question” is, in fact, an assertion that the suspect was not born in Wales. What evidence do you have for this assertion. Where should we “dig”?

    The evidence we have is that the suspect is a 17 (nearly 18) year old born in South Wales to Rwandan parents. Why do we doubt this? Don’t fuck us around with coy statements about the “mainstream” media (which you work for BTW) can’t be trusted. Just come out and say it.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,534

    Evening folks, so, moving on from my random drive by comments, a question for the PB brains trust. I assume this has already been addressed but I missed it.

    How come Tommy Robinson is marching in London today when a warrent was issued for his arrest a few days ago?

    I don't think he is marching in London today. He remains out of the country, I believe.
    Ah apologies. I misunderstood the MSN headlines.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,729

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Its fairly obvious who recruited him. He was described as dangerously inaccurate by his schook rifle club. The only people likely to recruit him is the people being shot at.
    They recruited him because they knew his shooting was so poor the best he could do was hit Trump's ear?
    "A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?"

    I once shared a student flat with a guy in his final year of physics. He was distinctly odd. Almost no interaction with others. Never seemed to sleep. If you did see him in the corridor and tried to interact you would end up after a few seconds feeling utterly bemused and shaking your head thinking he is on another planet.

    His room was incredible. Literally like no one lived there.

    One day I overheard one of the uni cleaners say to another: 'leave that room Brenda, there's no one living in that one.'
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    edited August 2
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Brompton said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
    My dear wife of 60 years doesn't and wouldn't even think to do it
    Are you married to Holly Willoughby?
    I am married to a very special kind and loving lady who I haven't heard swear once in our 60 plus years

    And who is Holly Willoughby?
    Women should only swear in bed. Men should only cry during war

    I invented these rules when I was 30 and they remain sound. Indeed they aren’t rules they are guidelines for life. Women SHOULD swear in bed etc
    Do you often find it's "Who the fuck are you? And how the fuck did you get in here, c***?"
    :wink:
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 795
    edited August 2
    Scott_xP said:

    The Neds in Sunderland have such "legitimate concerns" they torched the police station...

    I have noticed from videos a lot of them don't have Wearside accents. Make of that what you will.

    I was considering going along today to spectate (I shouldn't have to say this, but just to be clear - not in any way join in or support the "cause", wahtever that cause might be, but just to have a bit of fun watching people do things) but sadly decided to do other things as didn't forsee anything like what happened happening. Really regretting that now.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    edited August 2
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    If he hadn't done it before, Farage has definitely jumped the shark on this one.
    I think he's been remarkably restrained. Indeed maybe too much so

    He made one 90 second video saying “there are questions to be asked, legitimately” and that is clearly true and fair. And that’s it
    What are the questions?
    Really? REALLY?

    Just think for yourself. I don’t want to get banned again for the 19th time in a week but examine the evidence we have and do some digging and then think for yourself rather than relying on pabulum fed you by mainstream media which - remember - told us he was a good Welsh boy of 17 from a nice family and maybe he’s a bit autistic so that’s all it is

    Insane drivel
    A) He's not Muslim.
    B ) He didn't come over in a small boat.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited August 2
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,990
    Scott_xP said:

    The Neds in Sunderland have such "legitimate concerns" they torched the police station...

    BBC reports mobs looting and smashing shops in Sunderland too, far right figures identified, extra police units being sent
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,729
    edited August 2
    Is looting "legitimate protest" Nigel?

  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 795
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Brompton said:

    HYUFD said:

    ‘Bully’ Kamala Harris ‘berated staff,’ left them in tears after berating them with ‘F-bombs,’ intern told never to make eye contact: report'
    https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/us-news/kamala-harris-berated-staff-with-f-bombs-report/

    That changes everything.

    Is there anyone who doesn't say fuck, sorry, drop an F bomb on most days? The pope perhaps and the very old cardinals. Holly Willoughby.
    My dear wife of 60 years doesn't and wouldn't even think to do it
    Are you married to Holly Willoughby?
    I am married to a very special kind and loving lady who I haven't heard swear once in our 60 plus years

    And who is Holly Willoughby?
    Women should only swear in bed. Men should only cry during war

    I invented these rules when I was 30 and they remain sound. Indeed they aren’t rules they are guidelines for life. Women SHOULD swear in bed etc
    Men may also cry when influential monarchs die.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,990
    edited August 2

    Sod it, I've laid Jenrick. I'll lay more if price decreases but we seem to be at a bit of an inflection point and I hate him so much.

    Based on his launch today Jenrick looked more credible than Ed Miliband and Hague were when they took over leadership of their parties after they lost power. He also speaks more fluently than Starmer does
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 795

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    If he hadn't done it before, Farage has definitely jumped the shark on this one.
    I think he's been remarkably restrained. Indeed maybe too much so

    He made one 90 second video saying “there are questions to be asked, legitimately” and that is clearly true and fair. And that’s it
    What are the questions?
    Really? REALLY?

    Just think for yourself. I don’t want to get banned again for the 19th time in a week but examine the evidence we have and do some digging and then think for yourself rather than relying on pabulum fed you by mainstream media which - remember - told us he was a good Welsh boy of 17 from a nice family and maybe he’s a bit autistic so that’s all it is

    Insane drivel
    A) He's not Muslim.
    B ) He didn't come over in a small boat.
    Someone told me before not to speculate, but I'm convinced if this isn't pure mentalism that it's gonna be incel. And I said that before finding out he was autistic. Even more likely now.

    Chances of a Rwandan ethnicity kid being muslim are negligible.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,172
    moonshine said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Its fairly obvious who recruited him. He was described as dangerously inaccurate by his schook rifle club. The only people likely to recruit him is the people being shot at.
    They recruited him because they knew his shooting was so poor the best he could do was hit Trump's ear?
    The TDS explanation for the shooting is the most deranged thing I’ve ever heard. And I have heard otherwise intelligent people espouse it irl. ThT Trump staged a shooting by a loser kid, to just miss his head, in order to win sympathy votes. I mean really. I wouldn’t trust that Turkish Olympic gangsta shooter to just graze my ear from 150m, yet alone some incel kid thrown out his high school shooting team.
    Unlike you to snub a ludicrous conspiracy theory. It'll be confused and a little hurt.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    13h

    Think Farage is in danger of speaking to his online audience rather than body of Reform voters here. Speaking to Reform voters since the unrest, there was no “but” just straight out condemnation of rioters and total rejection rioters are standing up for Britain.


    Edit: The new tory leader may get very lucky very early if Farage continues down this path.

    If he hadn't done it before, Farage has definitely jumped the shark on this one.
    I think he's been remarkably restrained. Indeed maybe too much so

    He made one 90 second video saying “there are questions to be asked, legitimately” and that is clearly true and fair. And that’s it
    What are the questions?
    Really? REALLY?

    Just think for yourself. I don’t want to get banned again for the 19th time in a week but examine the evidence we have and do some digging and then think for yourself rather than relying on pabulum fed you by mainstream media which - remember - told us he was a good Welsh boy of 17 from a nice family and maybe he’s a bit autistic so that’s all it is

    Insane drivel
    Peter Hitchens wrote a few years back that until recently the British Police would deal with all demostrators/rioters in the same way.

    In contrast, the response of the French police would depend on whether the government politicians sympathised with the demonstrators /rioters. If so then kid gloves time. If not then it would be all truncheons and tear gas.

    Alas, our police are now similarly politicised in their response to such matters.

    That is the issue.
    Really? How?

    Seems to me the Police take a fairly consistent approach to rioters and have done since the London riots onwards (if not before): stand back, film it all, round up the perps later.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406

    Scott_xP said:

    The Neds in Sunderland have such "legitimate concerns" they torched the police station...

    I have noticed from videos a lot of them don't have Wearside accents. Make of that what you will.

    I was considering going along today to spectate (I shouldn't have to say this, but just to be clear - not in any way join in or support the "cause", wahtever that cause might be, but just to have a bit of fun watching people do things) but sadly decided to do other things as didn't forsee anything like what happened happening. Really regretting that now.
    Though the seven in court for the Hartlepool riot were all local.
    (Maybe because they were the ones already known to the Law?).
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,172

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Its fairly obvious who recruited him. He was described as dangerously inaccurate by his schook rifle club. The only people likely to recruit him is the people being shot at.
    They recruited him because they knew his shooting was so poor the best he could do was hit Trump's ear?
    "A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?"

    I once shared a student flat with a guy in his final year of physics. He was distinctly odd. Almost no interaction with others. Never seemed to sleep. If you did see him in the corridor and tried to interact you would end up after a few seconds feeling utterly bemused and shaking your head thinking he is on another planet.

    His room was incredible. Literally like no one lived there.

    One day I overheard one of the uni cleaners say to another: 'leave that room Brenda, there's no one living in that one.'
    Yes, some people are like that. Ultra clean and tidy.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    edited August 2
    Police Station set alight from the inside in Sunderland.
    Call for reinforcements across the NE.
    All Police leave cancelled today and tomorrow.
  • kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Its fairly obvious who recruited him. He was described as dangerously inaccurate by his schook rifle club. The only people likely to recruit him is the people being shot at.
    They recruited him because they knew his shooting was so poor the best he could do was hit Trump's ear?
    "A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?"

    I once shared a student flat with a guy in his final year of physics. He was distinctly odd. Almost no interaction with others. Never seemed to sleep. If you did see him in the corridor and tried to interact you would end up after a few seconds feeling utterly bemused and shaking your head thinking he is on another planet.

    His room was incredible. Literally like no one lived there.

    One day I overheard one of the uni cleaners say to another: 'leave that room Brenda, there's no one living in that one.'
    Yes, some people are like that. Ultra clean and tidy.
    Especially if OCD which can go hand in hand with some autism.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,729
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Neds in Sunderland have such "legitimate concerns" they torched the police station...

    I have noticed from videos a lot of them don't have Wearside accents. Make of that what you will.

    I was considering going along today to spectate (I shouldn't have to say this, but just to be clear - not in any way join in or support the "cause", wahtever that cause might be, but just to have a bit of fun watching people do things) but sadly decided to do other things as didn't forsee anything like what happened happening. Really regretting that now.
    Though the seven in court for the Hartlepool riot were all local.
    (Maybe because they were the ones already known to the Law?).
    Early days.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,653
    edited August 2
    Looks like Harris’s VP pick has leaked, or someone is trying to bounce her into it:

    https://x.com/peopleforparker/status/1819436801280389542
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,442
    Foxy said:

    KnightOut said:

    MattW said:

    It's incredibly important not to forget Liz Truss, or history might repeat itself.

    I hope history does repeat itself, only with the next Liz Truss actually being given a chance to enact her radical programme, instead of being hamstrung and hogtied by frit middle managers and sacrificed on the altar of convenient scapegoatery.

    #InLizWeStillTruss
    Possibly the Tories should look at how Truss lost her seat while Hunt saved his against the odds.

    More likely that they will disappear down the rabbit hole.
    By spending 10s of thousands of pounds of his own money campaigning for himself?
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 141
    dixiedean said:

    Police Station set alight from the inside in Sunderland.

    One of those stations that have limited opening times. doubt if it was manned.
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