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Liz Truss may have lost but she isn’t forgotten – politicalbetting.com

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  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,848
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/02/humongous-fort-found-in-wales-may-disprove-theory-of-celtic-roman-peace

    In other news, chap finds Roman fort. Good for him, though if the pic is anything like reality it was really quite a small fortlet. Maybe a couple of centuries and an orficer?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,079

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    I thought you normally cast your villains with Brit accents ?
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 142
    Foxy said:

    KnightOut said:

    MattW said:

    It's incredibly important not to forget Liz Truss, or history might repeat itself.

    I hope history does repeat itself, only with the next Liz Truss actually being given a chance to enact her radical programme, instead of being hamstrung and hogtied by frit middle managers and sacrificed on the altar of convenient scapegoatery.

    #InLizWeStillTruss
    Possibly the Tories should look at how Truss lost her seat while Hunt saved his against the odds.

    More likely that they will disappear down the rabbit hole.
    Well,

    1. Anti-Hunt activism was at its peak about a decade ago, whereas the Truss witch hunt is still very much ongoing. Rightly or wrongly (and I would argue wrongly, obviously) she has become one of the most reviled politicians in history. Jeremy has almost become a post-hate John Major type figure now.

    2. Hunt's seat has a large number of genuine Lib Dem supporters, but relatively few tactical, rent-a-vote pondlife switchers, making it less volatile. Dare I say it, it probably has more voters who take an intellectual and considered approach to voting than most places...

    3. Norfolk SW was always likely to have a far higher Reform vote, allowing the seat to be taken on a stupidly low share. (And conflating Reform supporters with Trussites because both are 'right wing' is to completely misunderstand either).

    I never thought Truss as an individual was cut out to be PM, and I don't think she's particularly astute, clever or streetwise. However, her values and principles are fairly closely aligned with mine and in a world where people like me usually feel politically homeless, that matters.

    What really, really sucks donkey dick is that her brief Premiership has set back 'Trussism' by decades, without ever putting the ideology to practical scrutiny, let alone delivering any of its benefits. And what is worse, she will be remembered and blamed not for what she did, but for what those reacting to what she might do, did.

    Regardless, I don't think considering Hunt and Truss as two opposite extremes is an accurate analysis. In many ways I'd put them in the same wing of the party. Modernisers, socially liberal, did their best work under Cameron.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,079
    I really don’t give a flying F who Kyle Rittenhouse is voting for, but the little murderer seems to have created quite a fuss on Twitter.

    The weirdo right seem to be losing their collective shit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    My god they’re really laying it on. I think I’m gonna get a glass of the “batard” Montrachet - €1500 a bottle
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829
    Wow just reading about the swimming controversy with the Chinese guy breaking the 100m record. Isn't anyone at WADA going to do anything about obvious doping by the Chinese?!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    I thought you normally cast your villains with Brit accents ?
    "The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking - I highly suggest you try it."

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,079
    He’s really enjoying himself now.

    Biden jokes with a reporter: "You're stuck with me as president for a while, kid. There's no way out. You've got me for at least another 100 days or so."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1819223179711176849
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,079
    MaxPB said:

    Wow just reading about the swimming controversy with the Chinese guy breaking the 100m record. Isn't anyone at WADA going to do anything about obvious doping by the Chinese?!

    Almost certainly not.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,463

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    No, we pronounce it correctly.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Rather unkind to devote a thread header to winding up LuckyGuy
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    Nigelb said:

    My kids used to call Robbie Williams, Robbilly Williams.

    My brother used to call Lenny Henry "Lenry Henry".
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,463
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain is coming apart at the seams

    Weeks of unrest have revealed tensions, anger and a collapse in social trust that can no longer be ignored.

    Inaya Folarin Iman"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/08/02/britain-is-coming-apart-at-the-seams/

    Positively Leonesque in its hyperbole.

    The reality is the opposite: that social trust has significantly increased in Britain over the last two decades:

    https://www.bi.team/blogs/the-quiet-boom-of-trust-inside-britain/
    Indeed, but stories like this don’t generate the clicks.
    Well that's the thing:

    Alarmist and wrong headlines get clicks. Nuance does not.

    That's also part of the reason why JK Rowling has been driven mad by Twitter.
    Lots of people have been driven mad by Twitter.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,848
    DougSeal said:

    Rather unkind to devote a thread header to winding up LuckyGuy

    Still, apart from the unfortunate pensioners, it won't be long before a truss is something that one used to buy from small surgical appliance and rubber goods shops in the West Port (or, if one is a Londoner, somewhere vaguely between Soho and the back of the British Museum).
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Until someone embarrassingly corrected me in my late 20s I pronounced premise “prem-ize”. Awks.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,729
    Kicking off in Sunderland.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,221
    edited August 2

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain is coming apart at the seams

    Weeks of unrest have revealed tensions, anger and a collapse in social trust that can no longer be ignored.

    Inaya Folarin Iman"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/08/02/britain-is-coming-apart-at-the-seams/

    Positively Leonesque in its hyperbole.

    The reality is the opposite: that social trust has significantly increased in Britain over the last two decades:

    https://www.bi.team/blogs/the-quiet-boom-of-trust-inside-britain/
    Indeed, but stories like this don’t generate the clicks.
    Well that's the thing:

    Alarmist and wrong headlines get clicks. Nuance does not.

    That's also part of the reason why JK Rowling has been driven mad by Twitter.
    Lots of people have been driven mad by Twitter.
    That Man Adams got there first;

    Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559

    Kicking off in Sunderland.

    Football or riots?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,463
    TimS said:

    Sparkling wine tip of the day. I’m drinking Prosecco, which is as we all know generally shit, but with a couple of shakes of angostura bitters. Makes it palatable.

    Prosecco really is shit. The Fosters of sparkling wine.

    Just ask for champagne instead.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    edited August 2

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    Not entirely ready to believe that you are the great saviour from dullness. Nonetheless you've often posted worse theories :)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765

    Nigelb said:

    My kids used to call Robbie Williams, Robbilly Williams.

    My brother used to call Lenny Henry "Lenry Henry".
    Because my eyesight isn't great I often momentarily read 'Trump' as 'Turnip'. (Always rather amuses me, although I'd much prefer young persons eyes again)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    Real men are supposed to be interested in trains, rather than spend their time effetely reviewing hotels and/or restaurants!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    Ben's parents must be so Proud :)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015

    TimS said:

    Sparkling wine tip of the day. I’m drinking Prosecco, which is as we all know generally shit, but with a couple of shakes of angostura bitters. Makes it palatable.

    Prosecco really is shit. The Fosters of sparkling wine.

    Just ask for champagne instead.
    A pint of mild would be preferable.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015

    Kicking off in Sunderland.

    They've got plenty to be upset about.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited August 2

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    I’m thinking of doing my PhD thesis on the local accents of Early Modern England. Although challenging for obvious reasons.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    Real men are supposed to be interested in trains, rather than spend their time effetely reviewing hotels and/or restaurants!
    They’ve STARTED me on this wine


    https://www.clossaintemagdeleine.fr/

    It’s paired with a Camargue oyster with petrossian caviar with that dried Japanese tuna belly. And it’s amazing

    I’ll try and keep you all posted as it proceeds. The chef is about 22
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    TimS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    bobbob said:

    tlg86 said:

    bobbob said:

    I am 100% convinced the Olympics boxing “controversy” is manufactured by Russia through their control of the IBA

    Fits their playbook !

    I don't think so. Played around with this site and I reckon there is a case to answer. The result for Khelif varies depending on what you show it. But when it gets a look at the whole body, it says male.

    I put in some women who I know are definitely women, including one I thought it might struggle with, and it was 95% confident of them being women every time.

    If you can find one that it gets wrong, I'll accept that it's not infallible.

    https://www.nyckel.com/pretrained-classifiers/gender-detector/


    I 100% think so

    Literslly took me a minute to put one of the most famous female athletes in the world


    You can’t trust AI anyway of things like this one of the open problems in image processing is an accurately detecting different kinds of fish !!
    Has it not occurred to you that Britney Grier might actually be a man?
    What this discussion demonstrates is that (some) PBers think that a person is a man or woman depending on their visual appearance. Is this a majority PB view?
    If you asked someone to say how do we know someone is male or female, they wouldn't be able to explain it. We just know, don't we?

    Interesting thing on Greiner is her voice:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNPZdTmpDs

    Honestly? I'd say that's a man's voice, but, I'm guessing there is no doubt about her, which has made me stop and think a bit more about the boxing situation.

    EDIT: Imane Khelif sounds feminine here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrODpZ-g_nc
    Khelif's sex needs proper scientific evaluation. The problem is precisely noone is actually interested in the specifics with one side saying how everyone claiming she's a man is a raging transphobe and the other taking the fact she's got a hefty amount of punching power and her looks as positive proof that she's definitely a man.
    To my mind is simply boils down to does she have testes, internal or otherwise. That is what gives male advantage. And we do not know because noone is actually interested in the truth. Noone that matters anyway
    One thing she isn’t is trans. She was born and brought up female. So this is a case of physiological difference- intersex. It’s a shame it’s got caught up in the culture wars over trans.
    Yes, the two situations do not really raise precisely the same issues, but most of the language will treat it interchangably.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,439
    edited August 2
    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Rather unkind to devote a thread header to winding up LuckyGuy

    Still, apart from the unfortunate pensioners, it won't be long before a truss is something that one used to buy from small surgical appliance and rubber goods shops in the West Port (or, if one is a Londoner, somewhere vaguely between Soho and the back of the British Museum).
    They’re available, or were, on the NHS and some pharmacists fitted them. The training course was very basic but it was quite rewarding in that one would see a grumbling, bent over old man come in, and send him out standing tall and smiling.
    Usually, anyway.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    That was the joke. I also used to pronounce Zed as Zee because of American TV.

    Besides, all the other Imperials in those movies were Brits, so Vader should have said PRO gress.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015

    TimS said:

    dixiedean said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    The island of Fernando Poo is of course the winner in this particular game. Pronounced poh’oh.

    Though now officially known as Bioko.
    It was actually 'Fernando Po', not 'Fernando Poo'; the latter was a perhaps-deliberate misspelling in the Illuminatus! Trilogy.

    https://illuminatus.fandom.com/wiki/Fernando_Poo
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioko
    Poo in Spanish, Po in Portuguese
    That's interesting. I wonder if it was a misspelling, or whether the authors deliberately used the Spanish name for some reason?
    Was a Spanish colony.
    As sometimes happens, PB's taken something I thought was 'fact' - in this case, that Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea had deliberately changed 'Po' into 'Poo' for humour - and shown it to be much more nuanced, if not wrong...
    The Spanish name WAS Fernando Po.
    As sometimes happens on PB a fact people thought inviolate turns out to be more nuanced, and then @Sunil_Prasannan makes it more nuanced still. So Wiki for example has “For nearly 500 years, the island was known as Fernando Po (Portuguese: Fernando Pó; Spanish: Fernando Poo)” but other sites just have Po.

    Poo is clearly superior.
    But the Portuguese is Fernao do Po.
    The American is Fernando Poop.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    Probably cost only €50 to make.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    KnightOut said:

    Foxy said:

    KnightOut said:

    MattW said:

    It's incredibly important not to forget Liz Truss, or history might repeat itself.

    I hope history does repeat itself, only with the next Liz Truss actually being given a chance to enact her radical programme, instead of being hamstrung and hogtied by frit middle managers and sacrificed on the altar of convenient scapegoatery.

    #InLizWeStillTruss
    Possibly the Tories should look at how Truss lost her seat while Hunt saved his against the odds.

    More likely that they will disappear down the rabbit hole.
    Well,

    1. Anti-Hunt activism was at its peak about a decade ago, whereas the Truss witch hunt is still very much ongoing. Rightly or wrongly (and I would argue wrongly, obviously) she has become one of the most reviled politicians in history. Jeremy has almost become a post-hate John Major type figure now.

    2. Hunt's seat has a large number of genuine Lib Dem supporters, but relatively few tactical, rent-a-vote pondlife switchers, making it less volatile. Dare I say it, it probably has more voters who take an intellectual and considered approach to voting than most places...

    3. Norfolk SW was always likely to have a far higher Reform vote, allowing the seat to be taken on a stupidly low share. (And conflating Reform supporters with Trussites because both are 'right wing' is to completely misunderstand either).

    I never thought Truss as an individual was cut out to be PM, and I don't think she's particularly astute, clever or streetwise. However, her values and principles are fairly closely aligned with mine and in a world where people like me usually feel politically homeless, that matters.

    What really, really sucks donkey dick is that her brief Premiership has set back 'Trussism' by decades, without ever putting the ideology to practical scrutiny, let alone delivering any of its benefits. And what is worse, she will be remembered and blamed not for what she did, but for what those reacting to what she might do, did.

    Regardless, I don't think considering Hunt and Truss as two opposite extremes is an accurate analysis. In many ways I'd put them in the same wing of the party. Modernisers, socially liberal, did their best work under Cameron.
    Wait:

    What was Truss-ism?

    I ask because I know and like Kwasi. What was the burning intellectual passion that was Truss-ism?

    From where I was standing it seemed like - if it was anything - it was a return to the 1960s where you got the economy moving by cutting taxes and increasing spending. Albeit, I suspect she wouldn't like it described that way.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,249

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    Pro- is a prefix so that's where the syllabus ends. So in this case, I'd say we're correct
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,249

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    Pro- is a prefix so that's where the syllabus ends. So in this case, I'd say we're correct
    Syllabus? Syllable.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    Probably cost only €50 to make.
    Dunno. The wines are seriously impressive. And they’re pairing each course
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 435
    edited August 2
    Boris Johnson needs to put his head above the parapet.

    I assume he may have still have some influence with the rioting nutjobs. At least at the fringes.

    "Respect the victims. Support the police. Go home." or somesuch formulation. When he puts his mind to it, he's good at this stuff.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    Pro- is a prefix so that's where the syllabus ends. So in this case, I'd say we're correct
    What about Prog rock?
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    Oi
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    Real men are supposed to be interested in trains, rather than spend their time effetely reviewing hotels and/or restaurants!
    Quite so Sunil.
  • Kicking off in Sunderland.

    They've got plenty to be upset about.
    There is a distinctly feesh breeze in the air tonight, even as far south as Bedfordshire.

    Can't see too much trouble, the hot humid air is gone.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723

    Kicking off in Sunderland.

    Who are they playing?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Boris Johnson needs to put his head above the parapet.

    I assume he may have still have some influence with the rioting nutjobs. At least at the fringes.

    "Respect the victims. Support the police. Go home." or somesuch formulation. When he puts his mind to it, he's good at this stuff.

    " he's good at this stuff"

    Citation needed.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    A new evil has descended on society:

    Cruffin - a croissant/muffin hybrid.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    Pro- is a prefix so that's where the syllabus ends. So in this case, I'd say we're correct
    What about Prog rock?
    It's shit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    TimS said:

    Sparkling wine tip of the day. I’m drinking Prosecco, which is as we all know generally shit, but with a couple of shakes of angostura bitters. Makes it palatable.

    Prosecco really is shit. The Fosters of sparkling wine.

    Just ask for champagne instead.
    A pint of mild would be preferable.
    You can actually get good Prosecco. It’s never amazing (in my experience) but the AOC stuff can be zesty yet dry and a nice sparkler. Trouble is the Prosecco explosion means a trillion people are churning it out and they are in grave danger of making it the Liebfraumilch of its era

    German wine used to be serious business. Highly respected. Two decades of blue nun destroyed it and it has never recovered
  • Boris Johnson needs to put his head above the parapet.

    I assume he may have still have some influence with the rioting nutjobs. At least at the fringes.

    "Respect the victims. Support the police. Go home." or somesuch formulation. When he puts his mind to it, he's good at this stuff.

    " he's good at this stuff"

    Citation needed.
    Cheap point.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Talk about the need for a tram network connecting Worksop with newent
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Boris Johnson needs to put his head above the parapet.

    I assume he may have still have some influence with the rioting nutjobs. At least at the fringes.

    "Respect the victims. Support the police. Go home." or somesuch formulation. When he puts his mind to it, he's good at this stuff.

    " he's good at this stuff"

    Citation needed.
    Cheap point.
    In keeping with Johnson then.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765

    A new evil has descended on society:

    Cruffin - a croissant/muffin hybrid.

    Requesting that sort of thing in, say, a good French restaurant might produce interesting effects. If only there was someone here on PB currently sitting in a g... Ah @Leon- at last, an experiment to test your devotion to PB!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,401
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    What's interesting about that post is it demonstrates, for all your protestations, that you do read PB even when you've been banned. Every post. Even the ones you profess to find boring.

    Are you sure you find us as dull and trivial as you pretend?

    (It's also worth noting the discussion about the WCML centred around an important policy point - what to do with HS2, which needs to be completed to Crewe to bypass major capacity constraints in southern Staffordshire. Admittedly, we got a bit bogged down bickering over exactly how severe those constraints *are* but it's still a major issue that has pretty significant ramifications for politics and indeed the country.)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,401
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Talk about the need for a tram network connecting Worksop with newent
    Sounds like a plan.
  • rcs1000 said:

    KnightOut said:

    Foxy said:

    KnightOut said:

    MattW said:

    It's incredibly important not to forget Liz Truss, or history might repeat itself.

    I hope history does repeat itself, only with the next Liz Truss actually being given a chance to enact her radical programme, instead of being hamstrung and hogtied by frit middle managers and sacrificed on the altar of convenient scapegoatery.

    #InLizWeStillTruss
    Possibly the Tories should look at how Truss lost her seat while Hunt saved his against the odds.

    More likely that they will disappear down the rabbit hole.
    Well,

    1. Anti-Hunt activism was at its peak about a decade ago, whereas the Truss witch hunt is still very much ongoing. Rightly or wrongly (and I would argue wrongly, obviously) she has become one of the most reviled politicians in history. Jeremy has almost become a post-hate John Major type figure now.

    2. Hunt's seat has a large number of genuine Lib Dem supporters, but relatively few tactical, rent-a-vote pondlife switchers, making it less volatile. Dare I say it, it probably has more voters who take an intellectual and considered approach to voting than most places...

    3. Norfolk SW was always likely to have a far higher Reform vote, allowing the seat to be taken on a stupidly low share. (And conflating Reform supporters with Trussites because both are 'right wing' is to completely misunderstand either).

    I never thought Truss as an individual was cut out to be PM, and I don't think she's particularly astute, clever or streetwise. However, her values and principles are fairly closely aligned with mine and in a world where people like me usually feel politically homeless, that matters.

    What really, really sucks donkey dick is that her brief Premiership has set back 'Trussism' by decades, without ever putting the ideology to practical scrutiny, let alone delivering any of its benefits. And what is worse, she will be remembered and blamed not for what she did, but for what those reacting to what she might do, did.

    Regardless, I don't think considering Hunt and Truss as two opposite extremes is an accurate analysis. In many ways I'd put them in the same wing of the party. Modernisers, socially liberal, did their best work under Cameron.
    Wait:

    What was Truss-ism?

    I ask because I know and like Kwasi. What was the burning intellectual passion that was Truss-ism?

    From where I was standing it seemed like - if it was anything - it was a return to the 1960s where you got the economy moving by cutting taxes and increasing spending. Albeit, I suspect she wouldn't like it described that way.
    Not sure that's right. She wasn't a Keynesian trying to give the economy a somewhat inflationary, temporary kick up the arse due to markets freezing up.

    It was all a touchingly naive belief in the power of low tax - incentivising entrepreneurs through aggressive tax cutting would unleash permanently higher growth, and the Laffer curve meant no piper to pay.

    Difference between short run stimulus and supposed long run miracle.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,792
    edited August 2
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    Probably cost only €50 to make.
    And only €1000 to review.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Talk about the need for a tram network connecting Worksop with newent
    That would be blinkin' handy, but we'd need a new line between Ledbury and Newent. How do Labour propose to fund such a venture?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,401
    edited August 2

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Talk about the need for a tram network connecting Worksop with newent
    That would be blinkin' handy, but we'd need a new line between Ledbury and Newent. How do Labour propose to fund such a venture?
    I don't think they've built over the old track bed to any great extent, have they? It's certainly still intact between Dymock and Newent, although beyond that road improvements have taken most of it.

    There's one place where the restored canal might be slightly in the way, but only briefly.

    Edit - I suppose you'd have to dig out the old cutting at Four Oaks, but that's not that big an undertaking.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,079
    .

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Patience.
    He’ll be off again at some point.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,172

    Boris Johnson needs to put his head above the parapet.

    I assume he may have still have some influence with the rioting nutjobs. At least at the fringes.

    "Respect the victims. Support the police. Go home." or somesuch formulation. When he puts his mind to it, he's good at this stuff.

    You think a bunch of violent racists would look up to Boris Johnson?
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Talk about the need for a tram network connecting Worksop with newent
    That would be blinkin' handy, but we'd need a new line between Ledbury and Newent. How do Labour propose to fund such a venture?
    Ah Intercity trams. They have them in Belgium.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ5wh3kspRk
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Patience.
    He’ll be off again at some point.
    Quite soon, in fact
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,534
    edited August 2

    A new evil has descended on society:

    Cruffin - a croissant/muffin hybrid.

    They are on sale at the co-op where my wife works and she tells me they are not at all popular.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,079
    Now the Roberts Court has give free rein to Presidential crime, the Senate is the one institution that can take this up.

    Dear @JudiciaryGOP: This seems like a big deal. Then Attorney General Bill Barr allegedly stopped an investigation into whether or not Egypt injected $10 million into the Trump for President campaign in 2016.

    You need to hold a hearing on this explosive allegation.

    https://x.com/tedlieu/status/1819416011193581715
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 435
    edited August 2
    kinabalu said:

    Boris Johnson needs to put his head above the parapet.

    I assume he may have still have some influence with the rioting nutjobs. At least at the fringes.

    "Respect the victims. Support the police. Go home." or somesuch formulation. When he puts his mind to it, he's good at this stuff.

    You think a bunch of violent racists would look up to Boris Johnson?
    They mostly voted for him, just 4 1/2 years ago.
  • ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    LIVE: Secret Service gives statement on Donald Trump shooting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6vymZpXuY

    Interesting that one factor identified is different agencies being on their own radio networks. This issue of inter-agency communication (and the lack of it) has also been a factor in this country, for instance the Ariana Grande concert bombing.
    I just don’t buy this. Not only was the shooter the only 20 year old in America with literally zero internet presence - and no motivation? - but it turns out his home is as “clean as a lab”. Not a speck of evidence either way or anything. A 20 year old guy with a home as “clean as a lab”?

    The whole thing is exceptionally suspicious

    And, for clarity, I’ve no idea who recruited him or why or how or anything, but I feel pretty sure this is not the whole story
    Bore off. Only because you want it to not be the whole story because you are a FICTION WRITER.

    I can't recall a single "event" where you haven't seen a conspiracy.

    The truth is just too boring for you.
    Remember lab leak. They told us that was a “racist conspiracy theory”. When in fact it was the entire scientific and political establishment conspiring to crush the most obviously plausible hypothesis for what happened in Wuhan

    The conspiracy existed. It was real. And they tried to deflect from it by accusing anyone with “wrongthink” of believing in “racist conspiracy theories” of their own

    PB lacks narrative imagination. I try to provide it. Without me all you do is talk about the fucking west coast main line. It is unbelievably dull
    What's interesting about that post is it demonstrates, for all your protestations, that you do read PB even when you've been banned. Every post. Even the ones you profess to find boring.

    Are you sure you find us as dull and trivial as you pretend?

    (It's also worth noting the discussion about the WCML centred around an important policy point - what to do with HS2, which needs to be completed to Crewe to bypass major capacity constraints in southern Staffordshire. Admittedly, we got a bit bogged down bickering over exactly how severe those constraints *are* but it's still a major issue that has pretty significant ramifications for politics and indeed the country.)
    One that perfectly illustrates the short term tactical rather than strategic thinking that blights us.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,401
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Patience.
    He’ll be off again at some point.
    Quite soon, in fact
    If we build this tramway, will it make it easier for you to move?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,415

    Kicking off in Sunderland.

    Who are they playing?
    Blyth Spartans. A match of equals.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Chateau de Pibarnoy 2022

    A bandol rose. Who knew?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    edited August 2
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I seem to have logged onto some bloody travelog again. Any idea how I get into PB instead?
    Talk about the need for a tram network connecting Worksop with newent
    That would be blinkin' handy, but we'd need a new line between Ledbury and Newent. How do Labour propose to fund such a venture?
    I don't think they've built over the old track bed to any great extent, have they? It's certainly still intact between Dymock and Newent, although beyond that road improvements have taken most of it.

    There's one place where the restored canal might be slightly in the way, but only briefly.

    Edit - I suppose you'd have to dig out the old cutting at Four Oaks, but that's not that big an undertaking.
    The linebank remains from the station along the the Rec, and there is a walkway under the bridges in Bridge Street and Woodleigh Road and then it seems to peter out somewhere along New Street ( on the way to Dymock).I am assuming it went all the way to Gloucester. Before my time though. So technically we could go all the way from Worksop to Gloucester. Handy!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,172

    rcs1000 said:

    KnightOut said:

    Foxy said:

    KnightOut said:

    MattW said:

    It's incredibly important not to forget Liz Truss, or history might repeat itself.

    I hope history does repeat itself, only with the next Liz Truss actually being given a chance to enact her radical programme, instead of being hamstrung and hogtied by frit middle managers and sacrificed on the altar of convenient scapegoatery.

    #InLizWeStillTruss
    Possibly the Tories should look at how Truss lost her seat while Hunt saved his against the odds.

    More likely that they will disappear down the rabbit hole.
    Well,

    1. Anti-Hunt activism was at its peak about a decade ago, whereas the Truss witch hunt is still very much ongoing. Rightly or wrongly (and I would argue wrongly, obviously) she has become one of the most reviled politicians in history. Jeremy has almost become a post-hate John Major type figure now.

    2. Hunt's seat has a large number of genuine Lib Dem supporters, but relatively few tactical, rent-a-vote pondlife switchers, making it less volatile. Dare I say it, it probably has more voters who take an intellectual and considered approach to voting than most places...

    3. Norfolk SW was always likely to have a far higher Reform vote, allowing the seat to be taken on a stupidly low share. (And conflating Reform supporters with Trussites because both are 'right wing' is to completely misunderstand either).

    I never thought Truss as an individual was cut out to be PM, and I don't think she's particularly astute, clever or streetwise. However, her values and principles are fairly closely aligned with mine and in a world where people like me usually feel politically homeless, that matters.

    What really, really sucks donkey dick is that her brief Premiership has set back 'Trussism' by decades, without ever putting the ideology to practical scrutiny, let alone delivering any of its benefits. And what is worse, she will be remembered and blamed not for what she did, but for what those reacting to what she might do, did.

    Regardless, I don't think considering Hunt and Truss as two opposite extremes is an accurate analysis. In many ways I'd put them in the same wing of the party. Modernisers, socially liberal, did their best work under Cameron.
    Wait:

    What was Truss-ism?

    I ask because I know and like Kwasi. What was the burning intellectual passion that was Truss-ism?

    From where I was standing it seemed like - if it was anything - it was a return to the 1960s where you got the economy moving by cutting taxes and increasing spending. Albeit, I suspect she wouldn't like it described that way.
    Not sure that's right. She wasn't a Keynesian trying to give the economy a somewhat inflationary, temporary kick up the arse due to markets freezing up.

    It was all a touchingly naive belief in the power of low tax - incentivising entrepreneurs through aggressive tax cutting would unleash permanently higher growth, and the Laffer curve meant no piper to pay.

    Difference between short run stimulus and supposed long run miracle.
    She wanted to unleash the animal spirits but what was unleashed was mayhem in the markets.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,401
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
    I misread that as 'a spicy Moldovan brothel at a random hotel in Kishinev.'

    It still made sense...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    edited August 2
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
    I misread that as 'a spicy Moldovan brothel at a random hotel in Kishinev.'

    It still made sense...
    That would be a more fascinating narrative than consuming beetroot soup in a chain hotel.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,186
    edited August 2
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain is coming apart at the seams

    Weeks of unrest have revealed tensions, anger and a collapse in social trust that can no longer be ignored.

    Inaya Folarin Iman"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/08/02/britain-is-coming-apart-at-the-seams/

    Positively Leonesque in its hyperbole.

    The reality is the opposite: that social trust has significantly increased in Britain over the last two decades:

    https://www.bi.team/blogs/the-quiet-boom-of-trust-inside-britain/
    Despite years of knowing how it's supposed to be pronounced (I think I clocked sometime in my mid 20s) I still read hyperbole as "hyper-bowl".
    I can't remember how old I was when I finally learnt that awry wasn't pronounced awe-ree, but it was far too late to not be embarrassing...
    I once misprounced "fellatio" to much amusement of others in the kitchen. How was I to know it's "fellashio"?

    You could have asked ?
    I remember that one from the double entendre when someone goes barking up the wrong rhetorical tree:

    "Passionate but fallacious".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
    I misread that as 'a spicy Moldovan brothel at a random hotel in Kishinev.'

    It still made sense...
    It would be a more fascinating narrative than beetroot soup in a chain hotel.
    That’s the whole point. You dummy

    A chain hotel like radisson in Chisinau is still sufficiently connected to the Moldovan world around it, they serve serve genuine Moldovan food and it is fab and fresh and unprocessed (and also fucking spicy) not dreary club sandwiches or bland versions of curry

    Zama

    https://www.internationalcuisine.com/moldovan-zeama/

    It’s not beetroot. That’s borscht
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,401
    edited August 2

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
    I misread that as 'a spicy Moldovan brothel at a random hotel in Kishinev.'

    It still made sense...
    That would be a more fascinating narrative than consuming beetroot soup in a chain hotel.
    Is that some kind of euphemism aimed at getting us back on topic?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,172

    kinabalu said:

    Boris Johnson needs to put his head above the parapet.

    I assume he may have still have some influence with the rioting nutjobs. At least at the fringes.

    "Respect the victims. Support the police. Go home." or somesuch formulation. When he puts his mind to it, he's good at this stuff.

    You think a bunch of violent racists would look up to Boris Johnson?
    They mostly voted for him, just 4 1/2 years ago.
    Bullseye! Let's think about forming an act. Your Cannon to my Ball.🙂
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,974
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain is coming apart at the seams

    Weeks of unrest have revealed tensions, anger and a collapse in social trust that can no longer be ignored.

    Inaya Folarin Iman"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/08/02/britain-is-coming-apart-at-the-seams/

    Positively Leonesque in its hyperbole.

    The reality is the opposite: that social trust has significantly increased in Britain over the last two decades:

    https://www.bi.team/blogs/the-quiet-boom-of-trust-inside-britain/
    Despite years of knowing how it's supposed to be pronounced (I think I clocked sometime in my mid 20s) I still read hyperbole as "hyper-bowl".
    Or hyper-bowel in Leon’s case.
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 144
    Leon said:

    Chateau de Pibarnoy 2022

    A bandol rose. Who knew?

    Exquisite. So much made of other rosés but this is just… perfect.

    If you have the chance, 2022 Bandol Blanc is an eye-opener.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,249
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
    Only Americans call it bors(c)ht. No t needed. It's борщ in Ukrainian so borshch or borsch as the standard English version
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,186
    edited August 2
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain is coming apart at the seams

    Weeks of unrest have revealed tensions, anger and a collapse in social trust that can no longer be ignored.

    Inaya Folarin Iman"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/08/02/britain-is-coming-apart-at-the-seams/

    Positively Leonesque in its hyperbole.

    The reality is the opposite: that social trust has significantly increased in Britain over the last two decades:

    https://www.bi.team/blogs/the-quiet-boom-of-trust-inside-britain/
    Despite years of knowing how it's supposed to be pronounced (I think I clocked sometime in my mid 20s) I still read hyperbole as "hyper-bowl".
    I can't remember how old I was when I finally learnt that awry wasn't pronounced awe-ree, but it was far too late to not be embarrassing...
    I once misprounced "fellatio" to much amusement of others in the kitchen. How was I to know it's "fellashio"?

    You could have asked ?
    I remember that one from the double entendre when someone goes barking up the wrong rhetorical tree:

    "Passionate but fallacious".
    Or I guess you could imagine David Cameron addressing the sheep's skull at the climactic moment, as would any young Oxonian taking the ritual:

    "Alas poor Yorick, I knew him. Fellatio."

    It could even be a magic word in Harry Potter.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,805
    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    KnightOut said:

    Foxy said:

    KnightOut said:

    MattW said:

    It's incredibly important not to forget Liz Truss, or history might repeat itself.

    I hope history does repeat itself, only with the next Liz Truss actually being given a chance to enact her radical programme, instead of being hamstrung and hogtied by frit middle managers and sacrificed on the altar of convenient scapegoatery.

    #InLizWeStillTruss
    Possibly the Tories should look at how Truss lost her seat while Hunt saved his against the odds.

    More likely that they will disappear down the rabbit hole.
    Well,

    1. Anti-Hunt activism was at its peak about a decade ago, whereas the Truss witch hunt is still very much ongoing. Rightly or wrongly (and I would argue wrongly, obviously) she has become one of the most reviled politicians in history. Jeremy has almost become a post-hate John Major type figure now.

    2. Hunt's seat has a large number of genuine Lib Dem supporters, but relatively few tactical, rent-a-vote pondlife switchers, making it less volatile. Dare I say it, it probably has more voters who take an intellectual and considered approach to voting than most places...

    3. Norfolk SW was always likely to have a far higher Reform vote, allowing the seat to be taken on a stupidly low share. (And conflating Reform supporters with Trussites because both are 'right wing' is to completely misunderstand either).

    I never thought Truss as an individual was cut out to be PM, and I don't think she's particularly astute, clever or streetwise. However, her values and principles are fairly closely aligned with mine and in a world where people like me usually feel politically homeless, that matters.

    What really, really sucks donkey dick is that her brief Premiership has set back 'Trussism' by decades, without ever putting the ideology to practical scrutiny, let alone delivering any of its benefits. And what is worse, she will be remembered and blamed not for what she did, but for what those reacting to what she might do, did.

    Regardless, I don't think considering Hunt and Truss as two opposite extremes is an accurate analysis. In many ways I'd put them in the same wing of the party. Modernisers, socially liberal, did their best work under Cameron.
    Wait:

    What was Truss-ism?

    I ask because I know and like Kwasi. What was the burning intellectual passion that was Truss-ism?

    From where I was standing it seemed like - if it was anything - it was a return to the 1960s where you got the economy moving by cutting taxes and increasing spending. Albeit, I suspect she wouldn't like it described that way.
    Not sure that's right. She wasn't a Keynesian trying to give the economy a somewhat inflationary, temporary kick up the arse due to markets freezing up.

    It was all a touchingly naive belief in the power of low tax - incentivising entrepreneurs through aggressive tax cutting would unleash permanently higher growth, and the Laffer curve meant no piper to pay.

    Difference between short run stimulus and supposed long run miracle.
    She wanted to unleash the animal spirits but what was unleashed was mayhem in the markets.
    Nothing with the theory. But whenever you rely on people lending you money to do what you want, you pretty much have to play things their way. As true for rightists as it is for leftists.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,974
    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    Pro- is a prefix so that's where the syllabus ends. So in this case, I'd say we're correct
    What about Prog rock?
    Pro grok for the incels.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,805
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    Chicken Kathmandu from the Great Kathmandu, West Didsbury. Which was the second curry I had after I moved back to Greater Manchester 16 years ago was so good it's what I've had ever since.
    It has both eggs AND potatoes.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    edited August 2
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m probably getting a €500 meal here. Fortunately, not paying

    I had a battered cod brioche roll with salad and chips at the Red Lion. Paid for it. Lovely stuff.
    I’ve been travelling all year. The two beat dishes I’ve had in that time are

    1. A borscht in transnistria which cost £2 with a cold beer

    And a

    2. “Zama”. A spicy Moldovan broth at a radisson hotel in Kishinev. £5
    I misread that as 'a spicy Moldovan brothel at a random hotel in Kishinev.'

    It still made sense...
    That would be a more fascinating narrative than consuming beetroot soup in a chain hotel.
    Is that some kind of euphemism aimed at getting us back on topic?
    No I conflated Leon's two dreary dinner related reminiscences with your rather racy misread.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    We also pronounce project correctly, with a short "o" sound.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,186

    A new evil has descended on society:

    Cruffin - a croissant/muffin hybrid.

    They are on sale at the co-op where my wife works and she tells me they are not at all popular.
    Coming soon to MacDonalds as the Maguffin.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,079
    U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers announced the largest fentanyl seizure in agency history.

    A U.S. citizen was caught smuggling 4 million fentanyl pills weighing over 1,000 pounds in his pickup truck at a port of entry.

    https://x.com/HouseJudiciary/status/1819375650899161113

    Not a bad week for the administration.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    Chateau de Pibarnoy 2022

    A bandol rose. Who knew?

    Exquisite. So much made of other rosés but this is just… perfect.

    If you have the chance, 2022 Bandol Blanc is an eye-opener.
    I’ve asked for a second glass. What a wine
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,652
    Iranian TV: ” In coming hours, the World will witness Extraordinary Scenes and Very Important Developments.”

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1819465211440779456
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    It vaguely amuses me to pronounce "catastrophe" as "cat-ah-stro-ff", not "cat-astro-phee", because that's how it's pronounced in French

    Anyone who's a fan of watching Poirot on TV knows this. He says it quite often.
    Pause

    That might be where I got it from!
    I sometimes pronounce fabulous 'fableous'. I got it off Steve Wright bless him. A very funny man.
    I pronounce progress as 'Progg-ress', the way Darth Vader does.
    You must have really bad asthma.
    "PROG-ress" is proper American pronunciation, of word that Brits mispronounce "PRO-gress".
    We also pronounce project correctly, with a short "o" sound.
    Unless we are speaking in a loud manner predicting a scheme about a means of delivery in a throwing manner.

    In which case we project the project of the project project
  • viewcode said:

    For the avoidance of doubt regarding my earlier comment, the act of fellatio was not in progress nor in prospect in or near the kitchen where and when I mispronounced the word "fellatio".

    I'm sure that has cheered you all up. 👍

    Thats a bit of a blow.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Here it is. Probably the best rose wine I’ve ever had

    https://josephbarneswines.com/products/chateau-de-pibarnon-bandol-rose-2022
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