viewcode said:

Boris Johnson's only virtue was his unhesitating support for Ukraine

WAS.

Look what the balding blob of suppurating lard has gone and done now

https://nitter.poast.org/irgarner/status/1814947222196207867

JosiasJessop said:

viewcode said:

Boris Johnson's only virtue was his unhesitating support for Ukraine

WAS.

Look what the balding blob of suppurating lard has gone and done now

https://nitter.poast.org/irgarner/status/1814947222196207867

There is a lot of disinformation spreading about what Boris actually said. I saw one version where essentially he's giving Russia everything they want, and another which is much more positive about Ukraine.

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

edmundintokyo said:

Nigelb said:

First election in half a century not to have a Bush, Clinton or Biden on one of the tickets.

Too early to say. Harris needs to reach out to moderate Republicans. Kamala-Jeb 2024

Who is this "Jeb" of which you speak?

Seriously, the only Bush these days with even a hint of a political prospect is Jenna Bush Hager, W's youngest daughter who is a fixture on the the "lifestyle" extension of the Today Show, NBC's morning show that's been broadcasting since I was a kid. She's a very attractive personality, with her father's charm only more so, withOUT the edginess/shiftiness of him or HIS daddy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Bush_Hager

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

It’s fair to say that Giorgia Meloni has better chemistry with Elon Musk than she has with Macron:

https://x.com/iam_smx/status/1815203134299369825

Well, she's a bit young for him.

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Dura_Ace said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

The fucker looked like he was nearly dead when he was staggering up the steps of the VC-25 last week. Lost a bit of timber too.

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Ooh…

Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Ooh…

Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009

"Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?

Dura_Ace said:

viewcode said:

Boris Johnson's only virtue was his unhesitating support for Ukraine

WAS.

Look what the balding blob of suppurating lard has gone and done now

https://nitter.poast.org/irgarner/status/1814947222196207867

As one would expect from Johnson, the gobshiting ran well in advance of the actuality.

He sent far less military aid than he could have, far later than was optimum. Although it's difficult to know how much he got reined by Biden and if Baldy Ben kept getting distracted by toasted cheese sandwiches.

JosiasJessop said:

"Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

"Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

Identity politics must end.

Nigelb said:

We REALLY need to take a look at how Taiwan does healthcare.

https://alethios.substack.com/p/unexplored-unsaid
..Taiwan’s life expectancy at birth is 81.2 years, higher than the US at 79.3, and comparable with the likes of Denmark and the United Kingdom at 81.5 and 81.9 respectively. What’s truly impressive here is that this is achieved with a fraction of the spending. The USA spends around 17% of GDP on healthcare4. For Denmark, the UK, and much of the OECD, healthcare spending is typically around 9-12%. Taiwan spends just 6.6%. After accounting for Taiwan’s lower nominal GDP per capita5, the West is spending roughly 70% more on healthcare for similar life-expectancy outcomes

...Each year, the Taiwanese government quango ‘Health Smart Taiwan’ publishes a book highlighting what they judge to be the most outstanding results from the myriad ‘smart’ (i.e. digital technology) innovations and experiments delivered within the past year. Last year’s book contains 70 such innovations. They range from dozens of different AI models which improve diagnosis speed and accuracy, to labour-saving systems for blood collection, classification, and routing...

Casino_Royale said:

Hmm. I've just watched this "combative BBC interview" with Andrew Tate and I can sort of understand his appeal.

The BBC female interviewer is earnest, serious, humourless and quietly aggressive, and Tate is aggressive, and a dick, but also intelligent and quick-thinking and doesn't let her get a chip in. The main objection, I agree with Tate here, isn't what he says or the accusation of criminality, it's the influence and reach he has and the fact he seems to emotional manipulate women successfully, which really offends so many women. Particularly because they fear the consequences of this becoming more widespread for them.

I've seen stories of how this can be 'combated' by lessons about "gender-based violence" in the classrooms. What bollocks. I can't think of anything less likely to influence boys against Tate, and it might make things worse. Plays right into his hands.

Instead they need to teach positive male self-esteem and identity, and the same for girls, and how to explore positive fun sexual relationships and healthy experiences for young people within that. You'll make mistakes but get out there and meet people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64125045

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

"Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

Identity politics must end.

It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.

Parents needs to be much more aware of the sort of content that their boys (and girls, to some extent) are watching online, and understand that likes of Tate are being terrible influences on their sons. AIUI he’s still in quite a bit of legal trouble in Romania and can’t leave the country.

Sandpit said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Ooh…

Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009

"Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?

For what must be the 100th time, no I am not supporting Donald Trump.

What I am doing, is reading a lot of US news and trying to give this betting forum alternative perspectives to mainstream media opinion.

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Ooh…

Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009

"Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?

Cosmic said:

Nigelb said:

We REALLY need to take a look at how Taiwan does healthcare.

https://alethios.substack.com/p/unexplored-unsaid
..Taiwan’s life expectancy at birth is 81.2 years, higher than the US at 79.3, and comparable with the likes of Denmark and the United Kingdom at 81.5 and 81.9 respectively. What’s truly impressive here is that this is achieved with a fraction of the spending. The USA spends around 17% of GDP on healthcare4. For Denmark, the UK, and much of the OECD, healthcare spending is typically around 9-12%. Taiwan spends just 6.6%. After accounting for Taiwan’s lower nominal GDP per capita5, the West is spending roughly 70% more on healthcare for similar life-expectancy outcomes

...Each year, the Taiwanese government quango ‘Health Smart Taiwan’ publishes a book highlighting what they judge to be the most outstanding results from the myriad ‘smart’ (i.e. digital technology) innovations and experiments delivered within the past year. Last year’s book contains 70 such innovations. They range from dozens of different AI models which improve diagnosis speed and accuracy, to labour-saving systems for blood collection, classification, and routing...

I've used the healthcare in Taiwan and would say it's down to a variety of factors, but in particular it's cultural - the general population are proactive about their health.

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Hmm. I've just watched this "combative BBC interview" with Andrew Tate and I can sort of understand his appeal.

The BBC female interviewer is earnest, serious, humourless and quietly aggressive, and Tate is aggressive, and a dick, but also intelligent and quick-thinking and doesn't let her get a chip in. The main objection, I agree with Tate here, isn't what he says or the accusation of criminality, it's the influence and reach he has and the fact he seems to emotional manipulate women successfully, which really offends so many women. Particularly because they fear the consequences of this becoming more widespread for them.

I've seen stories of how this can be 'combated' by lessons about "gender-based violence" in the classrooms. What bollocks. I can't think of anything less likely to influence boys against Tate, and it might make things worse. Plays right into his hands.

Instead they need to teach positive male self-esteem and identity, and the same for girls, and how to explore positive fun sexual relationships and healthy experiences for young people within that. You'll make mistakes but get out there and meet people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64125045

I would not have heard of him had it not been for the BBC banging on about him with monotonous regularity. According to the news on GMB it is online radicalisation that has made young men/children so violent towards women. No proof was offered.

Taz said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Ooh…

Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009

"Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?

You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

"Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

Identity politics must end.

JosiasJessop said:

Taz said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Ooh…

Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009

"Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?

You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.

Yes, I do. Which is why I'm so bemused by his shilling for Trump and the Republicans. If he wanted a Ukrainian victory, he'd be decrying the shits who say stuff like 'Zelensky is a dictator' and 'give us back our dollars'.

Instead, he supports them.

Nigelb said:

.

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

"Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

Identity politics must end.

What utter balls.

Cosmic said:

Nigelb said:

We REALLY need to take a look at how Taiwan does healthcare.

https://alethios.substack.com/p/unexplored-unsaid
..Taiwan’s life expectancy at birth is 81.2 years, higher than the US at 79.3, and comparable with the likes of Denmark and the United Kingdom at 81.5 and 81.9 respectively. What’s truly impressive here is that this is achieved with a fraction of the spending. The USA spends around 17% of GDP on healthcare4. For Denmark, the UK, and much of the OECD, healthcare spending is typically around 9-12%. Taiwan spends just 6.6%. After accounting for Taiwan’s lower nominal GDP per capita5, the West is spending roughly 70% more on healthcare for similar life-expectancy outcomes

...Each year, the Taiwanese government quango ‘Health Smart Taiwan’ publishes a book highlighting what they judge to be the most outstanding results from the myriad ‘smart’ (i.e. digital technology) innovations and experiments delivered within the past year. Last year’s book contains 70 such innovations. They range from dozens of different AI models which improve diagnosis speed and accuracy, to labour-saving systems for blood collection, classification, and routing...

I've used the healthcare in Taiwan and would say it's down to a variety of factors, but in particular it's cultural - the general population are proactive about their health.

Sandpit said:

JosiasJessop said:

Taz said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Ooh…

Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009

"Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?

You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.

Yes, I do. Which is why I'm so bemused by his shilling for Trump and the Republicans. If he wanted a Ukrainian victory, he'd be decrying the shits who say stuff like 'Zelensky is a dictator' and 'give us back our dollars'.

Instead, he supports them.

For the 101st time…

Casino_Royale said:

Nigelb said:

.

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

"Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

Identity politics must end.

What utter balls.

No, I'm bang on in every single way.

You are simply too dumb to realise this.

Foxy said:

Taz said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Ooh…

Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009

"Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?

You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.

Yes, but JJ is just pointing out Sandpits cognitive dissonance in cheerleading Trump.

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

"Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

Identity politics must end.

It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
(Snip)

Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.

And, if the response is to now tell young men that they are lesser, and bad, you're going to get a backlash. And that backlash will be emotional and calculated to hurt on those they think are attacking them.

Young people don't carry any responsibility for the past centuries. And neither did the young women alive today experience that quite frankly. This is Wokery all over, and why it's a problem, and one I think that at some level you recognise.

Anti-woke people don't want to return to medieval times: they simply want identity politics to end because it's toxic.

Foxy said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

"Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

Identity politics must end.

It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
(Snip)

Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.

If you want a reason for dropping fertility rates then don't look at economics (poor people have higher fertility rates) look at how unappealing many young men are.

It's not "Woke" to realise that for many women there are better options, including being single and independent. Fortunately most boys think Tate repulsive, and most grow out of his misogynistic world view.

Sandpit said:

DavidL said:

Foxy said:

Taz said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Ooh…

Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009

"Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?

You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.

Yes, but JJ is just pointing out Sandpits cognitive dissonance in cheerleading Trump.

I don't read @Sandpit as supporting Trump at all. What he is attempting to do is highlight the way that nearly 50% of Americans currently think. We are the ones who suffer cognitive dissonance on this because we simply do not understand how any rational person can support such a dishonest, misogynistic, boorish, obnoxious idiot.

I don't understand it myself. The man made a rather pathetic attempt to overthrow the government for Christ's sake. He is a convicted felon. He has appointed unfit people to the Supreme Court and corrupted that institution. He is a serial fraudster, whether it is his multiple bankruptcies, the dishonesty in his dealings with banks, his use of other peoples' money to pay his lawyers or Trump University.

And yet many, many Americans find the attitudes and current policies of the US liberal establishment so disconnected with their life experience and needs they are willing to listen. We need to think more about the alienated who exist in our society every bit as much as in the USA. Look at the millions who voted for Reform. Pointing to the existence of something is not the same as supporting it.

My view on Trump is simply more nuanced than most, who have a very black or white view of him.

I dislike the guy on a personal level, he’s the sort of businessman and politician I’ve met way too many times, would go out of my way to avoid in a professional capacity, and he certainly wouldn’t be someone I’d want to associate with in my own time.

But I also don’t think he’s the second coming of Hitler, and think that a lot of his recent legal issues have come from a politically-motivated angle. The Republican project to reform the Supreme Court has been the work of decades, long pre-dating Trump, with the explicit intention of overturning previous liberal rulings from the bench as seen in Roe, which Conservatives believed to be an overstretch of constitutional law which made no mention of the issue at hand. Trump has a more liberal view of that subject than many in his party, one might suspect he’s paid for a few in his lifetime.

The wider background, as you suggest, is that The American Dream simply isn’t working for tens of millions of people. Michael Moore said it best right back in 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMm5HfxNXY4 and similar arguments apply for the popularity of the likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage in the UK.

The trick, as usual, is to discard what a noisy 10% at either extreme of the political spectrum are saying on Twitter, and try to pay more attention to those in the middle. There’s a lot of Americans who are still to make up their minds about the election.

Eabhal said:

Foxy said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

"Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

Identity politics must end.

It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
(Snip)

Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.

If you want a reason for dropping fertility rates then don't look at economics (poor people have higher fertility rates) look at how unappealing many young men are.

It's not "Woke" to realise that for many women there are better options, including being single and independent. Fortunately most boys think Tate repulsive, and most grow out of his misogynistic world view.

It's just young women having some self-respect. Given their higher academic performance it's kinda natural you end up with this kind of split.

What more interesting is the political divide - any lefty young guy interested in the environment, keeps himself in decent shape and isn't a complete arsehole is going to be hot property.

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

"Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

Identity politics must end.

It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
(Snip)

Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.

And, if the response is to now tell young men that they are lesser, and bad, you're going to get a backlash. And that backlash will be emotional and calculated to hurt on those they think are attacking them.

Young people don't carry any responsibility for the past centuries. And neither did the young women alive today experience that quite frankly. This is Wokery all over, and why it's a problem, and one I think that at some level you recognise.

Anti-woke people don't want to return to medieval times: they simply want identity politics to end because it's toxic.

Anti-wokery is about going backwards; back towards treating women and minorities as lesser people. Look at what's happening in the anti-woke US right on women's reproductive rights.

A world where men rule; or more precisely, white men rule.

And you wonder why that's not appealing to women?

JosiasJessop said:

Taz said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Sandpit said:

Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.

Ooh…

Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009

"Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?

You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.

Yes, I do. Which is why I'm so bemused by his shilling for Trump and the Republicans. If he wanted a Ukrainian victory, he'd be decrying the shits who say stuff like 'Zelensky is a dictator' and 'give us back our dollars'.

Instead, he supports them.

MisterBedfordshire said:

Outrage. My car insurance is up from ~£210 to ~£290 for my 18 year old 7 seater.

(Per year)