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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    MikeL said:

    Foxy said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    10 nominations from 120 odd MPs is absurd.
    My wording was ambiguous.

    A candidate needs 10 MPs to get nominated - which seems reasonable.

    It's not that there will be 10 candidates!!!
    That makes a bit more sense!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,676

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Nope, it's joke about erectile dysfunction.
    Oh, I thought it was about premature ejaculation.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Sexual performance, I think.
    TBF I am not known for making sexual innuendos or smut.
    I just had a good long play with my organ.

    First time for a couple of weeks, so feels good. So I got everything out, including the 16 foot horn, and gave it a good workout.

    I thought about trying Jerusalem, but truth is I hate it so I played a few good study hymns instead.

    Yes, of course I meant my musical instrument. What did you think I meant?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,196
    edited July 22
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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455
    edited July 22
    ydoethur said:

    President Biden’s doctor said Monday that his symptoms from Covid are almost gone and that he has completed his final dose of Paxlovid. In a letter released by the White House, Dr. Kevin O’Connor said that Mr. Biden “continues to perform all of his presidential duties.”

    NY Times

    If he's good enough to do that, he's good enough to be in front of a camera for a few mins.

    Where is he?
    This is what makes Russian trolls so effective. They plant an idea, that Biden might be dead, and suddenly it seems quite normal to wonder about his health, and then it is a short step to demand proof he is still with us.
    The best propaganda is highly plausible and possibly even true.

    In 1935 they would have been making outrageous suggestions that the King was having an affair with a married transgender woman.

    Well, that would have rather surprised everybody. I don't think George V was that way inclined.
    When I was learning the history of my field in my middle age, my mentor told me: always check the subject's reported dates, do they make sense? A very useful rule: I once came across a 3 year old allegedly attending Merton College, and suchlike anomalies, which proved fruitful areas for inquiry and refutation.

    He also dinned into me: check the subject's money and where it came from: and (if Victorian) the sect to which the subject was affiliated. But gender is a new one. Not a bad idea to add it to the checklist, though.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    Sir Kenneth Grange has died. ::(

    https://x.com/GWRHelp/status/1815415805137260860
  • President Biden’s doctor said Monday that his symptoms from Covid are almost gone and that he has completed his final dose of Paxlovid. In a letter released by the White House, Dr. Kevin O’Connor said that Mr. Biden “continues to perform all of his presidential duties.”

    NY Times

    If he's good enough to do that, he's good enough to be in front of a camera for a few mins.

    Where is he?
    This is what makes Russian trolls so effective. They plant an idea, that Biden might be dead, and suddenly it seems quite normal to wonder about his health, and then it is a short step to demand proof he is still with us.
    Helped by the many useful idiots.
    The Mail are running with this story, bigly, reporting many non russian personalities airing the issue.

    Sinister new theory about Biden's latest disappearance https://mol.im/a/13659637
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379
    edited July 22

    Foxy said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    10 nominations from 120 odd MPs is absurd.
    Presumably they mean up to 10 nominations
    I read as 'you need the support of 10 MPs to be nominated'.

    Edit: apols, I see @MikeL got there before me.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,057
    ydoethur said:

    President Biden’s doctor said Monday that his symptoms from Covid are almost gone and that he has completed his final dose of Paxlovid. In a letter released by the White House, Dr. Kevin O’Connor said that Mr. Biden “continues to perform all of his presidential duties.”

    NY Times

    If he's good enough to do that, he's good enough to be in front of a camera for a few mins.

    Where is he?
    This is what makes Russian trolls so effective. They plant an idea, that Biden might be dead, and suddenly it seems quite normal to wonder about his health, and then it is a short step to demand proof he is still with us.
    The best propaganda is highly plausible and possibly even true.

    In 1935 they would have been making outrageous suggestions that the King was having an affair with a married transgender woman.

    Well, that would have rather surprised everybody. I don't think George V was that way inclined.
    (narrator: MisterBedfordshire was referring to King Edward VIII and got the dates wrong)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455

    Sir Kenneth Grange has died. ::(

    https://x.com/GWRHelp/status/1815415805137260860

    One of the modern British engineers, like James Hamilton.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,057

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Sexual performance, I think.
    TBF I am not known for making sexual innuendos or smut.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_or
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,196

    President Biden’s doctor said Monday that his symptoms from Covid are almost gone and that he has completed his final dose of Paxlovid. In a letter released by the White House, Dr. Kevin O’Connor said that Mr. Biden “continues to perform all of his presidential duties.”

    NY Times

    If he's good enough to do that, he's good enough to be in front of a camera for a few mins.

    Where is he?
    This is what makes Russian trolls so effective. They plant an idea, that Biden might be dead, and suddenly it seems quite normal to wonder about his health, and then it is a short step to demand proof he is still with us.
    Helped by the many useful idiots.
    The Mail are running with this story, bigly, reporting many non russian personalities airing the issue.

    Sinister new theory about Biden's latest disappearance https://mol.im/a/13659637
    The first personality quoted is Lauren Boebert. So, thank you for illustrating my point.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,676
    Foxy said:

    MikeL said:

    Foxy said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    10 nominations from 120 odd MPs is absurd.
    My wording was ambiguous.

    A candidate needs 10 MPs to get nominated - which seems reasonable.

    It's not that there will be 10 candidates!!!
    That makes a bit more sense!
    I quite like it. Good that there will be four at conference. Obviously still only two go through to the members' ballot, but I think there will be less of a tendency for MPs to vote deliberately in opposition to the best candidates to save 'their' candidate. It will be more apparent who the best is.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    President Biden’s doctor said Monday that his symptoms from Covid are almost gone and that he has completed his final dose of Paxlovid. In a letter released by the White House, Dr. Kevin O’Connor said that Mr. Biden “continues to perform all of his presidential duties.”

    NY Times

    If he's good enough to do that, he's good enough to be in front of a camera for a few mins.

    Where is he?
    This is what makes Russian trolls so effective. They plant an idea, that Biden might be dead, and suddenly it seems quite normal to wonder about his health, and then it is a short step to demand proof he is still with us.
    Helped by the many useful idiots.
    The Mail are running with this story, bigly, reporting many non russian personalities airing the issue.

    Sinister new theory about Biden's latest disappearance https://mol.im/a/13659637
    Not a very coherent attack. He is standing down on the pretext of being ill when he should actually own up.to being dead.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    edited July 22

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    One thing I sincerely do not understand. In what possible universe is Kamala Harris “black”?

    She is Indian inasmuch as she is any “ethnicity”. From South Asia. With some African ancestry on one side

    Does “black” now mean ANYONE “non white”? What is that anyway? Roma? Southern Spanish? Jewish? Inuit? Dusky Celtic types? Greeks? Arabs? Armenians?

    Or is it a kind of one drop of blood rule, but now reversed?

    The whole thing is a decadent mess of chaotic thinking and horrible emblematic of objective western decline

    Interesting question. I like this photo of KH from the 1980s.

    https://x.com/TheMichaelMoran/status/1325779958946467840
    What a fascinating turn this debate is taking. In the long and distinguished history of PB has the debate ever veered off into discusion of hot stepmoms before?
    You seem to have a one track mind. I wasn't thinking of stepmoms. Or stepmums. 😊
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    One thing I sincerely do not understand. In what possible universe is Kamala Harris “black”?

    She is Indian inasmuch as she is any “ethnicity”. From South Asia. With some African ancestry on one side

    Does “black” now mean ANYONE “non white”? What is that anyway? Roma? Southern Spanish? Jewish? Inuit? Dusky Celtic types? Greeks? Arabs? Armenians?

    Or is it a kind of one drop of blood rule, but now reversed?

    The whole thing is a decadent mess of chaotic thinking and horrible emblematic of objective western decline

    Interesting question. I like this photo of KH from the 1980s.

    https://x.com/TheMichaelMoran/status/1325779958946467840
    The young Kamala looks strangely familiar – someone famous?
    Naga Munchetty?

    Have they ever been seen in a room together?

    Imagine the damage it would do to her campaign if people thought she had worked for the BBC?
    Would be a plus in USA. Where anti-BBC sentiment common in UK is total absent.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,544
    Andy_JS said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    Why are they spinning out for so long?
    Anyone winning looks like being a significant downgrade from Sunak?

    More seriously, Parliamentary calendars I suspect. The party conference recess is 12 September to 7 October, so this setup is probably as quick as it can be.

    Two weeks for postal voting looks ambitious, though.

    In the post-Johnson election, the nomination threshold was 20 MPs. So ten nominations is proportionally higher... wonder who that helps/hinders?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,057
    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    You mean a method of election whereby a set of people are nominated and drop out, with votes being transferred to the successors as they drop out? Mayhap we could have an article on such an alternative to the vote system? A radical suggestion, I know. :)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,272
    Andy_JS said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    Why are they spinning out for so long?
    In the mistaken belief that it is a matter of the utmost national importance, and that it will command the fascination of the media and populace.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    viewcode said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    You mean a method of election whereby a set of people are nominated and drop out, with votes being transferred to the successors as they drop out? Mayhap we could have an article on such an alternative to the vote system? A radical suggestion, I know. :)
    Hang on, this means if we all join the Tories now we get to vote because it's more than 3 months from now until when the members vote.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274
    Foxy said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    10 nominations from 120 odd MPs is absurd.
    In their minds AND dreams,Tory MPs still a mighty phalanx of 365 as in BoJo's golden days.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Nope, it's joke about erectile dysfunction.
    Oh, I thought it was about premature ejaculation.
    That too.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    Why are they spinning out for so long?
    In the mistaken belief that it is a matter of the utmost national importance, and that it will command the fascination of the media and populace.
    Also, because they are totally incompetent and incapable of organising a piss-up in a brewery.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,551
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    Why are they spinning out for so long?
    In the mistaken belief that it is a matter of the utmost national importance, and that it will command the fascination of the media and populace.
    For those who can't wait. A taster tomorrow on LBC at 10.00, "The Suella Braverman show".
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274
    See that the kinder & gentler Donald Trump is already in the dustbin of history. Surprise, surprise!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    You mean a method of election whereby a set of people are nominated and drop out, with votes being transferred to the successors as they drop out? Mayhap we could have an article on such an alternative to the vote system? A radical suggestion, I know. :)
    Hang on, this means if we all join the Tories now we get to vote because it's more than 3 months from now until when the members vote.
    No, three months starts from the moment there is a vacancy IIRC, so three months from July 5th, so you needed to be a member on or before the April 5th.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,196

    See that the kinder & gentler Donald Trump is already in the dustbin of history. Surprise, surprise!

    But but but @darkage said, "That is one reason why people vote for Trump, there is at least some kind of optimism and self confidence which is completely lacking from the left."
  • Sir Kenneth Grange has died. ::(

    https://x.com/GWRHelp/status/1815415805137260860

    GW still run a handful. I was on one on a Plymouth to Penzance stopper today.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379
    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    How will they guarantee there are four left after four rounds? What if only four MPs get 10 or more nominations initially - will they just skip the September voting rounds?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    I’d have to politely decline, too.
    And am about as likely to be asked.

    “ Joe Manchin says he wouldn’t serve as Harris VP. “
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379

    See that the kinder & gentler Donald Trump is already in the dustbin of history. Surprise, surprise!

    Let's hope the real Donald Trump is in the dustbin of history come November 6th.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,252

    See that the kinder & gentler Donald Trump is already in the dustbin of history. Surprise, surprise!

    Let's hope the real Donald Trump is in the dustbin of history come November 6th.
    Endgame for him.
  • Foxy said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    10 nominations from 120 odd MPs is absurd.
    To be fair, only about 115 of the MPs are "odd".
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,866
    edited July 22

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    One thing I sincerely do not understand. In what possible universe is Kamala Harris “black”?

    She is Indian inasmuch as she is any “ethnicity”. From South Asia. With some African ancestry on one side

    Does “black” now mean ANYONE “non white”? What is that anyway? Roma? Southern Spanish? Jewish? Inuit? Dusky Celtic types? Greeks? Arabs? Armenians?

    Or is it a kind of one drop of blood rule, but now reversed?

    The whole thing is a decadent mess of chaotic thinking and horrible emblematic of objective western decline

    Interesting question. I like this photo of KH from the 1980s.

    https://x.com/TheMichaelMoran/status/1325779958946467840
    The young Kamala looks strangely familiar – someone famous?
    These are going to need much care to be taken.

    The picture on the Laura Loomer tweet linked earlier which LL used to accuse KH of furthering her career by offering sexual favours to powerful men (and I'll say just no more) seems to be of a different woman.

    Loomer could be in trouble, I'd say, if that's sound. The common sense ground rules are not to marry a lawyer (!), never mind defame one who is running for POTUS and has just raised ~$50m in 24 hours.

    Checking, inveterate liar Margery Taylor-Greene advised Mr Trump not to hire Loomer because she was a "documented liar" (Source Forbes *). From MTG :smile: .
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/04/07/marjorie-taylor-greene-blasts-possible-trump-campaign-hire-loomer-calls-her-unstable-and-a-documented-liar/

    Laura Loomer is potentially on a very sticky wicket.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Eric Holder and his law firm running the Harris VP vetting process.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274

    See that the kinder & gentler Donald Trump is already in the dustbin of history. Surprise, surprise!

    Let's hope the real Donald Trump is in the dustbin of history come November 6th.
    Keep in mind that IF he loses (God willing & the creeks don't rise!) in 2024, then DJT remains eligible to run again - provided he's alive of course - in 2028. AND if not that year, then 2032 etc. etc. etc.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,196
    Nigelb said:

    I’d have to politely decline, too.
    And am about as likely to be asked.

    “ Joe Manchin says he wouldn’t serve as Harris VP. “

    Has anyone checked whether Kyrsten Sinema is interested?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    See that the kinder & gentler Donald Trump is already in the dustbin of history. Surprise, surprise!

    Let's hope the real Donald Trump is in the dustbin of history come November 6th.
    Keep in mind that IF he loses (God willing & the creeks don't rise!) in 2024, then DJT remains eligible to run again - provided he's alive of course - in 2028. AND if not that year, then 2032 etc. etc. etc.
    By then hopefully he would be serving a nice long prison sentence, although it may have to be in whatever the American equivalent of a secure hospital.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    Why are they spinning out for so long?
    In the mistaken belief that it is a matter of the utmost national importance, and that it will command the fascination of the media and populace.
    Also, because they are totally incompetent and incapable of organising a piss-up in a brewery.
    Says the party which put jezza in charge for two GEs in a row. Let me guess, you are fine with that because he went along with killing Iraqis by the 100 000 but really like totally protested like about a load of rebarbative Dutchmen at the far end of Africa making black people sit at the back of the bus. Man.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Didn’t the GOP just run an ad about Harris laughing at her own jokes ?
    JD seems to have that problem.
    https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1815465890500276700
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Sexual performance, I think.
    Andy_JS said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    Why are they spinning out for so long?
    Why rush? Nothing much else to do now they are (barely) in opposition.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,866
    edited July 22
    ydoethur said:

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Sexual performance, I think.
    TBF I am not known for making sexual innuendos or smut.
    I just had a good long play with my organ.

    First time for a couple of weeks, so feels good. So I got everything out, including the 16 foot horn, and gave it a good workout.

    I thought about trying Jerusalem, but truth is I hate it so I played a few good study hymns instead.

    Yes, of course I meant my musical instrument. What did you think I meant?
    Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

    At least in that case, you could be doing multiple Bobs rather than pulling the knobs of your Father Willis. *

    * I may be falling to @TSE level here.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,084
    Robert Jenrick emerges as Tory leadership frontrunner in new poll
    Ballot finds 55 per cent of Conservative members list the former immigration minister as one of their top choices for next leader

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/22/robert-jenrick-emerges-tory-leadership-frontrunner-poll/ (£££)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,866
    ydoethur said:

    See that the kinder & gentler Donald Trump is already in the dustbin of history. Surprise, surprise!

    Let's hope the real Donald Trump is in the dustbin of history come November 6th.
    Keep in mind that IF he loses (God willing & the creeks don't rise!) in 2024, then DJT remains eligible to run again - provided he's alive of course - in 2028. AND if not that year, then 2032 etc. etc. etc.
    By then hopefully he would be serving a nice long prison sentence, although it may have to be in whatever the American equivalent of a secure hospital.
    He will, of course, be able to run from prison in 2028.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,845
    Oh dear.

    Jenrick is a more intellectual Truss.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    Ooooh.

    The Tory leadership election will be an online vote for members.


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Sexual performance, I think.
    TBF I am not known for making sexual innuendos or smut.
    I just had a good long play with my organ.

    First time for a couple of weeks, so feels good. So I got everything out, including the 16 foot horn, and gave it a good workout.

    I thought about trying Jerusalem, but truth is I hate it so I played a few good study hymns instead.

    Yes, of course I meant my musical instrument. What did you think I meant?
    Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

    At least in that case, you could be doing multiple Bobs rather than pulling the knobs of your Father Willis.
    Are you referring to the Zimbelstern stop?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbelstern

    I haven't got one on this organ, indeed the only one I know of in the country is in Hay on Wye Parish Church.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Sexual performance, I think.
    TBF I am not known for making sexual innuendos or smut.
    I saw this sign outside the loos at Regent's Park in London, and immediately thought of TSE!


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    Robert Jenrick emerges as Tory leadership frontrunner in new poll
    Ballot finds 55 per cent of Conservative members list the former immigration minister as one of their top choices for next leader

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/22/robert-jenrick-emerges-tory-leadership-frontrunner-poll/ (£££)

    As a dog returneth to its vomit...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274

    See that the kinder & gentler Donald Trump is already in the dustbin of history. Surprise, surprise!

    Let's hope the real Donald Trump is in the dustbin of history come November 6th.
    Keep in mind that IF he loses (God willing & the creeks don't rise!) in 2024, then DJT remains eligible to run again - provided he's alive of course - in 2028. AND if not that year, then 2032 etc. etc. etc.
    ADDENDUM - William Jennings Bryan was the "Boy Orator of the River Platte" (Nebraska not Argentina) in 1896, and remained a serious POTUS prospect until (at least) 1912. And was a leading political presence until 1925 through the Scopes Monkey Trial to his death shortly afterwards - a span of three decades

    By same math, Trump could continue to infest the US political scene until say 2045 or thereabouts . . .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    See that the kinder & gentler Donald Trump is already in the dustbin of history. Surprise, surprise!

    Let's hope the real Donald Trump is in the dustbin of history come November 6th.
    Keep in mind that IF he loses (God willing & the creeks don't rise!) in 2024, then DJT remains eligible to run again - provided he's alive of course - in 2028. AND if not that year, then 2032 etc. etc. etc.
    By then hopefully he would be serving a nice long prison sentence, although it may have to be in whatever the American equivalent of a secure hospital.
    He will, of course, be able to run from prison in 2028.
    Why? Will they leave the doors open?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,969

    Robert Jenrick emerges as Tory leadership frontrunner in new poll
    Ballot finds 55 per cent of Conservative members list the former immigration minister as one of their top choices for next leader

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/22/robert-jenrick-emerges-tory-leadership-frontrunner-poll/ (£££)

    William Hague with hair?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    edited July 22
    GIN1138 said:

    Robert Jenrick emerges as Tory leadership frontrunner in new poll
    Ballot finds 55 per cent of Conservative members list the former immigration minister as one of their top choices for next leader

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/22/robert-jenrick-emerges-tory-leadership-frontrunner-poll/ (£££)

    William Hague with hair?
    What have you got against William Hague?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Gerald Ford going the full Leon.
    https://x.com/boyymodal/status/1815250038945411209

    “The next four or eight years” was a bit out, by the odd decade or three.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274
    edited July 22

    Nigelb said:

    I’d have to politely decline, too.
    And am about as likely to be asked.

    “ Joe Manchin says he wouldn’t serve as Harris VP. “

    Has anyone checked whether Kyrsten Sinema is interested?
    NOT being a Democrat any more bit of a barrier, methinks.

    Also the fact that putting Sinema on the ticket, would be great way for Harris to ensure she loses Arizona.

    Reckon she's about as electable in AZ, as Sarah Palin proved to be in AK in 2022.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,969
    ydoethur said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Robert Jenrick emerges as Tory leadership frontrunner in new poll
    Ballot finds 55 per cent of Conservative members list the former immigration minister as one of their top choices for next leader

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/22/robert-jenrick-emerges-tory-leadership-frontrunner-poll/ (£££)

    William Hague with hair?
    What have you got against William Hague?
    Nothing personally, but he didn't exactly have a successful run as LOTO from 1997 to 2001 did he?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,866
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Sexual performance, I think.
    TBF I am not known for making sexual innuendos or smut.
    I just had a good long play with my organ.

    First time for a couple of weeks, so feels good. So I got everything out, including the 16 foot horn, and gave it a good workout.

    I thought about trying Jerusalem, but truth is I hate it so I played a few good study hymns instead.

    Yes, of course I meant my musical instrument. What did you think I meant?
    Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

    At least in that case, you could be doing multiple Bobs rather than pulling the knobs of your Father Willis.
    Are you referring to the Zimbelstern stop?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbelstern

    I haven't got one on this organ, indeed the only one I know of in the country is in Hay on Wye Parish Church.
    I was wondering about a pneumatic action.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274

    Oh dear.

    Jenrick is a more intellectual Truss.

    Like how Vance is a more intellectual Trump? Hardly heavy lifting in either case!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,544
    GIN1138 said:

    Robert Jenrick emerges as Tory leadership frontrunner in new poll
    Ballot finds 55 per cent of Conservative members list the former immigration minister as one of their top choices for next leader

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/22/robert-jenrick-emerges-tory-leadership-frontrunner-poll/ (£££)

    William Hague with hair?
    Harsh on Hague. Becoming leader in '97 was a huge mistake, but becoming leader at some point was likely and reasonable.

    Jenrick is no William Hague.

    (But what's with the Telegraph? 55 percent putting him as one of their top choices is a horribly tortured statistic.)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    GIN1138 said:

    ydoethur said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Robert Jenrick emerges as Tory leadership frontrunner in new poll
    Ballot finds 55 per cent of Conservative members list the former immigration minister as one of their top choices for next leader

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/22/robert-jenrick-emerges-tory-leadership-frontrunner-poll/ (£££)

    William Hague with hair?
    What have you got against William Hague?
    Nothing personally, but he didn't exactly have a successful run as LOTO from 1997 to 2001 did he?
    He'd be a fuckton more successful than Jenrick.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,866
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    One thing I sincerely do not understand. In what possible universe is Kamala Harris “black”?

    She is Indian inasmuch as she is any “ethnicity”. From South Asia. With some African ancestry on one side

    Does “black” now mean ANYONE “non white”? What is that anyway? Roma? Southern Spanish? Jewish? Inuit? Dusky Celtic types? Greeks? Arabs? Armenians?

    Or is it a kind of one drop of blood rule, but now reversed?

    The whole thing is a decadent mess of chaotic thinking and horrible emblematic of objective western decline

    Interesting question. I like this photo of KH from the 1980s.

    https://x.com/TheMichaelMoran/status/1325779958946467840
    The young Kamala looks strangely familiar – someone famous?
    These are going to need much care to be taken.

    The picture on the Laura Loomer tweet linked earlier which LL used to accuse KH of furthering her career by offering sexual favours to powerful men (and I'll say just no more) seems to be of a different woman.

    Loomer could be in trouble, I'd say, if that's sound. The common sense ground rules are not to marry a lawyer (!), never mind defame one who is running for POTUS and has just raised ~$50m in 24 hours.

    Checking, inveterate liar Margery Taylor-Greene advised Mr Trump not to hire Loomer because she was a "documented liar" (Source Forbes *). From MTG :smile: .
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/04/07/marjorie-taylor-greene-blasts-possible-trump-campaign-hire-loomer-calls-her-unstable-and-a-documented-liar/

    Laura Loomer is potentially on a very sticky wicket.
    LL now has a reply from the man in the photo that the woman she accuses of being KH is actually his daughter.

    LL doubling down. Ooops.

    I'll leave it there.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    Why do some Trumpists like to describe KH as "fake"?
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    What a twat JD Vance is:

    Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH), Donald Trump’s vice presidential pick, said in 2021 that Vice President Kamala Harris is one of the “childless cat ladies” who is “miserable” with her life and has no direct stake in America because she is not a mom, the HuffPost reports.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274
    From Politico.com

    > 37m ago All Democratic governors fall in line to support Kamala Harris

    > 45m ago The Harris campaign announced it raised a record-breaking $81 million in its first 24 hours.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Sexual performance, I think.
    TBF I am not known for making sexual innuendos or smut.
    I just had a good long play with my organ.

    First time for a couple of weeks, so feels good. So I got everything out, including the 16 foot horn, and gave it a good workout.

    I thought about trying Jerusalem, but truth is I hate it so I played a few good study hymns instead.

    Yes, of course I meant my musical instrument. What did you think I meant?
    Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

    At least in that case, you could be doing multiple Bobs rather than pulling the knobs of your Father Willis.
    Are you referring to the Zimbelstern stop?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbelstern

    I haven't got one on this organ, indeed the only one I know of in the country is in Hay on Wye Parish Church.
    I was wondering about a pneumatic action.
    Some like an electric vibrato, others need the traditional choirboy pumping away at the bellows to achieve peak toccata.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274
    Andy_JS said:

    Why do some Trumpists like to describe KH as "fake"?

    For political reasons perhaps?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731

    Oh dear.

    Jenrick is a more intellectual Truss.

    Like how Vance is a more intellectual Trump? Hardly heavy lifting in either case!
    To be fair, Vance is very intelligent. You don't get into Yale Law School on a nearly full scholarship otherwise.

    As has been demonstrated here many times, having a high IQ doesn't guarantee any degree of compassion or humanity.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,544
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    One thing I sincerely do not understand. In what possible universe is Kamala Harris “black”?

    She is Indian inasmuch as she is any “ethnicity”. From South Asia. With some African ancestry on one side

    Does “black” now mean ANYONE “non white”? What is that anyway? Roma? Southern Spanish? Jewish? Inuit? Dusky Celtic types? Greeks? Arabs? Armenians?

    Or is it a kind of one drop of blood rule, but now reversed?

    The whole thing is a decadent mess of chaotic thinking and horrible emblematic of objective western decline

    Interesting question. I like this photo of KH from the 1980s.

    https://x.com/TheMichaelMoran/status/1325779958946467840
    The young Kamala looks strangely familiar – someone famous?
    These are going to need much care to be taken.

    The picture on the Laura Loomer tweet linked earlier which LL used to accuse KH of furthering her career by offering sexual favours to powerful men (and I'll say just no more) seems to be of a different woman.

    Loomer could be in trouble, I'd say, if that's sound. The common sense ground rules are not to marry a lawyer (!), never mind defame one who is running for POTUS and has just raised ~$50m in 24 hours.

    Checking, inveterate liar Margery Taylor-Greene advised Mr Trump not to hire Loomer because she was a "documented liar" (Source Forbes *). From MTG :smile: .
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/04/07/marjorie-taylor-greene-blasts-possible-trump-campaign-hire-loomer-calls-her-unstable-and-a-documented-liar/

    Laura Loomer is potentially on a very sticky wicket.
    LL now has a reply from the man in the photo that the woman she accuses of being KH is actually his daughter.

    LL doubling down. Ooops.

    I'll leave it there.

    "M" and "N" are so close together on the keyboard....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,866

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Sexual performance, I think.
    TBF I am not known for making sexual innuendos or smut.
    I just had a good long play with my organ.

    First time for a couple of weeks, so feels good. So I got everything out, including the 16 foot horn, and gave it a good workout.

    I thought about trying Jerusalem, but truth is I hate it so I played a few good study hymns instead.

    Yes, of course I meant my musical instrument. What did you think I meant?
    Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

    At least in that case, you could be doing multiple Bobs rather than pulling the knobs of your Father Willis.
    Are you referring to the Zimbelstern stop?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbelstern

    I haven't got one on this organ, indeed the only one I know of in the country is in Hay on Wye Parish Church.
    I was wondering about a pneumatic action.
    Some like an electric vibrato, others need the traditional choirboy pumping away at the bellows to achieve peak toccata.
    There are campanological replies to that, but it might corrupt @TSE's sense of humour, so I won't.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,969
    edited July 22
    If Rishi's hanging around until November, I wonder who will do the closing speech at Tory conference?

    They won't have a new leader in place to do it and Rishi doing it would be a bit of a bummer after 4th July.

    Step forward Lord Cameron to relive the glory days on last time? Or we get the Return Of Boris?:D
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Ooooh.

    The Tory leadership election will be an online vote for members.


    Yay, a week to sign up to get a vote. I am going to take part of my KH profit and invest in a Tory membership
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    edited July 22
    Andy_JS said:

    Why do some Trumpists like to describe KH as "fake"?

    Because they're so impressed by the genuineness of a man with orange hair and a tan.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    GIN1138 said:

    If Rishi's hanging around until November, I wonder who will do the closing speech at Tory conference?

    They won't have a new leader in place to do it and Rishi doing it would be a bit of a bummer after 4th July.

    Step forward Lord Cameron to relive the glory days on last time? Or we get the Return Of Boris?:D

    Actually hearing Sunaks reflections on what went wrong and the way forward would be a good thing.

    It's not as if there is going to be an election any time soon, so no need for a tub thumper.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092
    WillG said:

    What a twat JD Vance is:

    Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH), Donald Trump’s vice presidential pick, said in 2021 that Vice President Kamala Harris is one of the “childless cat ladies” who is “miserable” with her life and has no direct stake in America because she is not a mom, the HuffPost reports.

    Has Andrea Leadsome hacked JDV's account? :lol:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731

    Ooooh.

    The Tory leadership election will be an online vote for members.


    Yay, a week to sign up to get a vote. I am going to take part of my KH profit and invest in a Tory membership
    I am quite tempted too...
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sigh. It didn't last long.

    Don't worry, you can get meds for that particular issue you're experiencing.
    A slight at my past mental health issues, lovely.
    Sexual performance, I think.
    TBF I am not known for making sexual innuendos or smut.
    I just had a good long play with my organ.

    First time for a couple of weeks, so feels good. So I got everything out, including the 16 foot horn, and gave it a good workout.

    I thought about trying Jerusalem, but truth is I hate it so I played a few good study hymns instead.

    Yes, of course I meant my musical instrument. What did you think I meant?
    Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

    At least in that case, you could be doing multiple Bobs rather than pulling the knobs of your Father Willis.
    Are you referring to the Zimbelstern stop?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbelstern

    I haven't got one on this organ, indeed the only one I know of in the country is in Hay on Wye Parish Church.
    I was wondering about a pneumatic action.
    Some like an electric vibrato, others need the traditional choirboy pumping away at the bellows to achieve peak toccata.
    There are campanological replies to that, but it might corrupt @TSE's sense of humour, so I won't.
    I can tell that you have been in the hunt with Bob minor. If you get my drift
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274
    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    If Rishi's hanging around until November, I wonder who will do the closing speech at Tory conference?

    They won't have a new leader in place to do it and Rishi doing it would be a bit of a bummer after 4th July.

    Step forward Lord Cameron to relive the glory days on last time? Or we get the Return Of Boris?:D

    Actually hearing Sunaks reflections on what went wrong and the way forward would be a good thing.

    It's not as if there is going to be an election any time soon, so no need for a tub thumper.
    Reckon Rishi will save it for his memoirs. Does he still have time to publish in time before Christmas?

    Agree with you that his take on his Mission Impossible 2024 will be interesting.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,866
    Nigelb said:

    I’d have to politely decline, too.
    And am about as likely to be asked.

    “ Joe Manchin says he wouldn’t serve as Harris VP. “

    Politely decline is what we need the Tories to do. Maybe.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,969
    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    If Rishi's hanging around until November, I wonder who will do the closing speech at Tory conference?

    They won't have a new leader in place to do it and Rishi doing it would be a bit of a bummer after 4th July.

    Step forward Lord Cameron to relive the glory days on last time? Or we get the Return Of Boris?:D

    Actually hearing Sunaks reflections on what went wrong and the way forward would be a good thing.

    It's not as if there is going to be an election any time soon, so no need for a tub thumper.
    Well I would have Rishi's speech at the start but ending with him would be a bit of a downer?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910
    Foxy said:

    Ooooh.

    The Tory leadership election will be an online vote for members.


    Yay, a week to sign up to get a vote. I am going to take part of my KH profit and invest in a Tory membership
    I am quite tempted too...
    Is this an attempt to repeat the Corbyn trick? Lest we forget Corbyn links directly to Brexit.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,866
    Foxy said:

    Ooooh.

    The Tory leadership election will be an online vote for members.


    Yay, a week to sign up to get a vote. I am going to take part of my KH profit and invest in a Tory membership
    I am quite tempted too...
    It's £39.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    Why are they spinning out for so long?
    In the mistaken belief that it is a matter of the utmost national importance, and that it will command the fascination of the media and populace.
    Also, because they are totally incompetent and incapable of organising a piss-up in a brewery.
    I remember the Post Johnson leadership contest taking forever to whittle down the candidates to two, who then went to countrywide hustings.

    They wound up with Truss and Sunak, demonstrating that a long contest may not end well.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,539
    What do people know about the disturbances in Whitechapel last Thursday? Should it have made the news or was a blackout decided upon?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    Ooooh.

    The Tory leadership election will be an online vote for members.


    Yay, a week to sign up to get a vote. I am going to take part of my KH profit and invest in a Tory membership
    I am quite tempted too...
    It's £39.
    It's the spam for life that puts me off!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455

    What do people know about the disturbances in Whitechapel last Thursday? Should it have made the news or was a blackout decided upon?

    Amply broadcast and discussed on PB from all points of view.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379
    Foxy said:

    Ooooh.

    The Tory leadership election will be an online vote for members.


    Yay, a week to sign up to get a vote. I am going to take part of my KH profit and invest in a Tory membership
    I am quite tempted too...
    To what end?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,643

    What do people know about the disturbances in Whitechapel last Thursday? Should it have made the news or was a blackout decided upon?

    It's a strange "blackout" if the Mail and Express both have the story. Seems to have involved a fight between two rival Bangladeshi groups relating to events in Bangladesh.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13651945/Bangladeshis-clash-streets-London-rioters-hurl-missiles-police-smash-cars-10-killed-anti-government-riots-Dhaka.html

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,866

    Sir Kenneth Grange has died. ::(

    https://x.com/GWRHelp/status/1815415805137260860

    GW still run a handful. I was on one on a Plymouth to Penzance stopper today.
    Commiserations.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,539

    Oh dear.

    Jenrick is a more intellectual Truss.

    Like how Vance is a more intellectual Trump? Hardly heavy lifting in either case!
    Like him or not, Vance is obviously clever. Take your opponents seriously.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    Why are they spinning out for so long?
    In the mistaken belief that it is a matter of the utmost national importance, and that it will command the fascination of the media and populace.
    Also, because they are totally incompetent and incapable of organising a piss-up in a brewery.
    I remember the Post Johnson leadership contest taking forever to whittle down the candidates to two, who then went to countrywide hustings.

    They wound up with Truss and Sunak, demonstrating that a long contest may not end well.
    This is the party that spent £700m on getting four people to volunteer to be flown to Rwanda.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/22/failed-rwanda-deportation-scheme-cost-700m-says-yvette-cooper
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,539
    Carnyx said:

    What do people know about the disturbances in Whitechapel last Thursday? Should it have made the news or was a blackout decided upon?

    Amply broadcast and discussed on PB from all points of view.
    Broadcast where? On the BBC?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,274

    Oh dear.

    Jenrick is a more intellectual Truss.

    Like how Vance is a more intellectual Trump? Hardly heavy lifting in either case!
    Like him or not, Vance is obviously clever. Take your opponents seriously.
    Why do you assume that I don't think J.D. Vance is clever, or that I don't take him seriously as an opponent? Both assumptions are wrong.

    Said that JDV being more intellectual (NOT smarter) than DJT is a VERY low bar.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    Why are they spinning out for so long?
    In the mistaken belief that it is a matter of the utmost national importance, and that it will command the fascination of the media and populace.
    Also, because they are totally incompetent and incapable of organising a piss-up in a brewery.
    I remember the Post Johnson leadership contest taking forever to whittle down the candidates to two, who then went to countrywide hustings.

    They wound up with Truss and Sunak, demonstrating that a long contest may not end well.
    Indeed thinking about it, the ascent of Kamala with near universal support across the party does make me think that the protracted rancor and expenditure on primaries and caucuses is not money well spent.

    A long contest only seems to damage and divide a party.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,228

    Oh dear.

    Jenrick is a more intellectual Truss.

    Like how Vance is a more intellectual Trump? Hardly heavy lifting in either case!
    Like him or not, Vance is obviously clever. Take your opponents seriously.
    Vance is clever, and he wrote an excellent book. And, while I'm no fan of Peter Thiel, he knows how to hire smart people.

    It's just a shame I can't have the Hillbilly Elegy Vance rather than the Putin shill Vance.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910
    https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13651945/Bangladeshis-clash-streets-London-rioters-hurl-missiles-police-smash-cars-10-killed-anti-government-riots-Dhaka.html

    Carnyx said:

    What do people know about the disturbances in Whitechapel last Thursday? Should it have made the news or was a blackout decided upon?

    Amply broadcast and discussed on PB from all points of view.
    Broadcast where? On the BBC?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,539
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MikeL said:

    CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RULES (per The Sun!)

    - 10 MPs to be nominated
    - MP rounds of voting: Sept 4, 9, 10, 11
    - Final four make pitch at Conference
    - Further MP rounds of voting (to reduce to final two): Oct 9, 10
    - Postal vote of members: Oct 15 to Oct 31
    - Result: Nov 2

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29395500/new-tory-leader-announced-nov-2/

    Why are they spinning out for so long?
    In the mistaken belief that it is a matter of the utmost national importance, and that it will command the fascination of the media and populace.
    Also, because they are totally incompetent and incapable of organising a piss-up in a brewery.
    I remember the Post Johnson leadership contest taking forever to whittle down the candidates to two, who then went to countrywide hustings.

    They wound up with Truss and Sunak, demonstrating that a long contest may not end well.
    Indeed thinking about it, the ascent of Kamala with near universal support across the party does make me think that the protracted rancor and expenditure on primaries and caucuses is not money well spent.

    A long contest only seems to damage and divide a party.
    So how else do you decide a candidate?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    Foxy said:

    Oh dear.

    Jenrick is a more intellectual Truss.

    Like how Vance is a more intellectual Trump? Hardly heavy lifting in either case!
    To be fair, Vance is very intelligent. You don't get into Yale Law School on a nearly full scholarship otherwise.

    As has been demonstrated here many times, having a high IQ doesn't guarantee any degree of compassion or humanity.
    Nor prevent people from being very smart in one way, yet very dumb in some others.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977

    Ooooh.

    The Tory leadership election will be an online vote for members.


    Well that's...interesting, as choices go.

    But an extended leadership replacement schedule makes sense. Maybe at least some of the shine will even have come off the new government by then.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Oh dear.

    Jenrick is a more intellectual Truss.

    Like how Vance is a more intellectual Trump? Hardly heavy lifting in either case!
    To be fair, Vance is very intelligent. You don't get into Yale Law School on a nearly full scholarship otherwise.

    As has been demonstrated here many times, having a high IQ doesn't guarantee any degree of compassion or humanity.
    Nor prevent people from being very smart in one way, yet very dumb in some others.
    Sunak is a classic example. Surely very bright but no political ability at all.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    edited July 22
    rcs1000 said:

    Oh dear.

    Jenrick is a more intellectual Truss.

    Like how Vance is a more intellectual Trump? Hardly heavy lifting in either case!
    Like him or not, Vance is obviously clever. Take your opponents seriously.
    Vance is clever, and he wrote an excellent book. And, while I'm no fan of Peter Thiel, he knows how to hire smart people.

    It's just a shame I can't have the Hillbilly Elegy Vance rather than the Putin shill Vance.
    It is a good book, though he does rather overextrapolate to Hillbilies from his own narrow experience.

    It doesn't seem to occur to him that the reason his grandparents were so successful was well paid and secure Unionised jobs.
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