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  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    AP reporting that it's survey of Democratic National Convention delegates (excluding super-delegates who can not vote on first ballot for POTUS or VP) shows Kamala Harris with 2,471 delegates (self-reported) and undecided (ditto) with 57 delegates.

    Note that total voting delegates (first ballot) = 3,949; required for nomination = 1,979 (50% +1).

    IF these numbers are reasonably reliable, then Kamala Harris has clinched the 2024 Democratic nomination for President of the United States. In just over 24 hours.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,030
    We REALLY need to take a look at how Taiwan does healthcare.

    https://alethios.substack.com/p/unexplored-unsaid
    ..Taiwan’s life expectancy at birth is 81.2 years, higher than the US at 79.3, and comparable with the likes of Denmark and the United Kingdom at 81.5 and 81.9 respectively. What’s truly impressive here is that this is achieved with a fraction of the spending. The USA spends around 17% of GDP on healthcare4. For Denmark, the UK, and much of the OECD, healthcare spending is typically around 9-12%. Taiwan spends just 6.6%. After accounting for Taiwan’s lower nominal GDP per capita5, the West is spending roughly 70% more on healthcare for similar life-expectancy outcomes

    ...Each year, the Taiwanese government quango ‘Health Smart Taiwan’ publishes a book highlighting what they judge to be the most outstanding results from the myriad ‘smart’ (i.e. digital technology) innovations and experiments delivered within the past year. Last year’s book contains 70 such innovations. They range from dozens of different AI models which improve diagnosis speed and accuracy, to labour-saving systems for blood collection, classification, and routing...

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,030
    Nigelb said:

    We REALLY need to take a look at how Taiwan does healthcare.

    https://alethios.substack.com/p/unexplored-unsaid
    ..Taiwan’s life expectancy at birth is 81.2 years, higher than the US at 79.3, and comparable with the likes of Denmark and the United Kingdom at 81.5 and 81.9 respectively. What’s truly impressive here is that this is achieved with a fraction of the spending. The USA spends around 17% of GDP on healthcare4. For Denmark, the UK, and much of the OECD, healthcare spending is typically around 9-12%. Taiwan spends just 6.6%. After accounting for Taiwan’s lower nominal GDP per capita5, the West is spending roughly 70% more on healthcare for similar life-expectancy outcomes

    ...Each year, the Taiwanese government quango ‘Health Smart Taiwan’ publishes a book highlighting what they judge to be the most outstanding results from the myriad ‘smart’ (i.e. digital technology) innovations and experiments delivered within the past year. Last year’s book contains 70 such innovations. They range from dozens of different AI models which improve diagnosis speed and accuracy, to labour-saving systems for blood collection, classification, and routing...

    The whole article is pretty interesting.

    One thing I wouldn't have predicted - while Taiwan has a demographic problem with its low birthrate, TSMC employees have much larger families.

    ...TSMC runs a ‘Child Care Benefit Program’ providing various incentives and subsidies for new parents, including 10 days paternity leave, 12 to 20 weeks maternity leave (both unpaid), and on-site age 2-6 childcare facilities12. All of this has been tried elsewhere, usually to little effect. Indeed, the benefits are ‘inferior’ to those granted in New Zealand by the government (e.g. 26 weeks paid maternity leave, 20 hours free ECE) - yet TSMC has significantly higher fertility than NZ (currently 1.56 and falling rapidly).

    Marginal improvements to the economics of having children doesn’t significantly change fertility13. What TSMC has managed to do via this programme, and top-down reinforcement from management, is recreate a culture of children internally where having a family is normalised and where one’s peers are all taking pride in having lots of kids. Given how resistant raising fertility has been to policy intervention, the case of TSMC is clearly worth further investigation...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    ADDENDUM - here is the source for AP survey numbers below:

    https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/ap-dnc-delegate-survey/

    UPDATE - Harris = 2,579 (+108 since previous report below) compared to Undecided = 54 (-3)

    Hote that bunch of states (including WA State) have no reported endorsement as of yet, meaning both a) there may be some pockets of resistance to Harris nomination; and b) plenty of upside remaining for even more KH endorsements (put your bets on later methinks).

    For example, just got a letter from 36th legislative district Democratic organization executive board members (7 of 19) endorsing Harris and urging WA delegates to endorse & vote for her. My guess is that some of 12 not on list were unavailable, or still somewhat hesitant (for variety of reasons) to commit themselves, as opposed to being opposed.

    These may well include pro-Palestinian board members and delegates (most NOT big Hamas supporters) elected/selected both as Biden and Uncommitted delegates, who want to exert whatever leverage they can, for language in the party platform AND whatever commitments they can get re: ceasefire and other Gaza issues.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,059
    Boris Johnson's only virtue was his unhesitating support for Ukraine

    WAS.

    Look what the balding blob of suppurating lard has gone and done now

    https://nitter.poast.org/irgarner/status/1814947222196207867
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,030
    Under appreciated point.

    The last five presidents all got elected while forging a unique coalition that was authentic to them: Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton. All won states their party’s last nominee lost. The last president who got elected by inheriting a coalition was George HW Bush ‘88.
    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1815572064637481334
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,030
    First election in half a century not to have a Bush, Clinton or Biden on one of the tickets.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    viewcode said:

    Boris Johnson's only virtue was his unhesitating support for Ukraine

    WAS.

    Look what the balding blob of suppurating lard has gone and done now

    https://nitter.poast.org/irgarner/status/1814947222196207867

    There is a lot of disinformation spreading about what Boris actually said. I saw one version where essentially he's giving Russia everything they want, and another which is much more positive about Ukraine.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited July 23
    Nigelb said:

    First election in half a century not to have a Bush, Clinton or Biden on one of the tickets.

    Too early to say. Harris needs to reach out to moderate Republicans. Kamala-Jeb 2024
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    viewcode said:

    Boris Johnson's only virtue was his unhesitating support for Ukraine

    WAS.

    Look what the balding blob of suppurating lard has gone and done now

    https://nitter.poast.org/irgarner/status/1814947222196207867

    There is a lot of disinformation spreading about what Boris actually said. I saw one version where essentially he's giving Russia everything they want, and another which is much more positive about Ukraine.
    Or is BJ working/walking both sides of the street?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited July 23

    Nigelb said:

    First election in half a century not to have a Bush, Clinton or Biden on one of the tickets.

    Too early to say. Harris needs to reach out to moderate Republicans. Kamala-Jeb 2024
    Who is this "Jeb" of which you speak?

    Seriously, the only Bush these days with even a hint of a political prospect is Jenna Bush Hager, W's youngest daughter who is a fixture on the the "lifestyle" extension of the Today Show, NBC's morning show that's been broadcasting since I was a kid. She's a very attractive personality, with her father's charm only more so, withOUT the edginess/shiftiness of him or HIS daddy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Bush_Hager
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,059

    Nigelb said:

    First election in half a century not to have a Bush, Clinton or Biden on one of the tickets.

    Too early to say. Harris needs to reach out to moderate Republicans. Kamala-Jeb 2024
    Who is this "Jeb" of which you speak?

    Seriously, the only Bush these days with even a hint of a political prospect is Jenna Bush Hager, W's youngest daughter who is a fixture on the the "lifestyle" extension of the Today Show, NBC's morning show that's been broadcasting since I was a kid. She's a very attractive personality, with her father's charm only more so, withOUT the edginess/shiftiness of him or HIS daddy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Bush_Hager
    Yes, but her name suggests a low-level attack aircraft doing a strafing run over the savannah. Does she occasionally excuse herself then come back dishevelled a hour later with bits of twigs in her hair and bits of deer in her teeth?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Andy_JS said:

    "Kamala Harris hits out at Trump: 'I know Donald Trump's type'"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYoTgapReYc

    This is playing to the democrat crowd to get the nomination. It isn't going to impress the people who have decided to vote for Trump despite the various legal cases. It just seems to me that there isn't much point in going on about how evil/mad/insane Trump is.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,573
    edited July 23
    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,846
    1957: The JOY of BUDGETING | Panorama | Voice of the People | BBC Archive

    Panorama’s Christopher Chataway took a look at the widely varying incomes of its viewers, inviting some of them to share breakdowns of their household budgets. People from three different income groups talked about their household bills, how they spent their money and what items took priority when parting with their hard earned cash.

    Clip taken from Panorama, originally broadcast on BBC One, Monday 9 December, 1957.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V4-HAGDObg

    Further to our discussion of Emma who could not afford a house on £50,000.

    Christopher Chataway later became a Conservative MP and government minister.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,846
    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    Ooooh.

    The Tory leadership election will be an online vote for members.


    Yay, a week to sign up to get a vote. I am going to take part of my KH profit and invest in a Tory membership
    I am quite tempted too...
    It's £39.
    The real cost is the lifelong shame of having once been a member of the Tory party.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361
    rcs1000 said:

    It’s fair to say that Giorgia Meloni has better chemistry with Elon Musk than she has with Macron:

    https://x.com/iam_smx/status/1815203134299369825

    Well, she's a bit young for him.
    His marital age gap was the answer to a question on The Chase yesterday, no less.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    If anyone followed my back tory permanent leader starting in 2025 or later suggestion, with the new confirmed time table it is - avoiding black swans - clearly a confirmed loser. There is still a possibility of exiting it for not much of a loss - only cost me £4.80.

    I just went to follow your advice, but found that I am already green on both 2024 and 2025 and green on every month this year except October. I’m not sure how I did that?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    I thought better of you than this.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    viewcode said:

    Boris Johnson's only virtue was his unhesitating support for Ukraine

    WAS.

    Look what the balding blob of suppurating lard has gone and done now

    https://nitter.poast.org/irgarner/status/1814947222196207867

    As one would expect from Johnson, the gobshiting ran well in advance of the actuality.

    He sent far less military aid than he could have, far later than was optimum. Although it's difficult to know how much he got reined by Biden and if Baldy Ben kept getting distracted by toasted cheese sandwiches.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    The fucker looked like he was nearly dead when he was staggering up the steps of the VC-25 last week. Lost a bit of timber too.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,573

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,846
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    The fucker looked like he was nearly dead when he was staggering up the steps of the VC-25 last week. Lost a bit of timber too.
    The key figure is Kamala. Will the Vice President be allowed out of Washington? Will her bodyguard be doubled overnight?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,846
    IanB2 said:

    If anyone followed my back tory permanent leader starting in 2025 or later suggestion, with the new confirmed time table it is - avoiding black swans - clearly a confirmed loser. There is still a possibility of exiting it for not much of a loss - only cost me £4.80.

    I just went to follow your advice, but found that I am already green on both 2024 and 2025 and green on every month this year except October. I’m not sure how I did that?
    Perhaps you should cover October in case one of the final two withdraws, as happened in 2016.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,573

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    For what must be the 100th time, no I am not supporting Donald Trump.

    What I am doing, is reading a lot of US news and trying to give this betting forum alternative perspectives to mainstream media opinion.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    IanB2 said:

    If anyone followed my back tory permanent leader starting in 2025 or later suggestion, with the new confirmed time table it is - avoiding black swans - clearly a confirmed loser. There is still a possibility of exiting it for not much of a loss - only cost me £4.80.

    I just went to follow your advice, but found that I am already green on both 2024 and 2025 and green on every month this year except October. I’m not sure how I did that?
    Perhaps you should cover October in case one of the final two withdraws, as happened in 2016.
    Yes, good point. I’ve cashed out across the board. I must have laid October at some point but it wasn’t recent and I don’t remember what my logic was. I did expect the GE then, so maybe that was it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Boris Johnson's only virtue was his unhesitating support for Ukraine

    WAS.

    Look what the balding blob of suppurating lard has gone and done now

    https://nitter.poast.org/irgarner/status/1814947222196207867

    As one would expect from Johnson, the gobshiting ran well in advance of the actuality.

    He sent far less military aid than he could have, far later than was optimum. Although it's difficult to know how much he got reined by Biden and if Baldy Ben kept getting distracted by toasted cheese sandwiches.
    And I still suspect the sudden change of tack was motivated mostly by desperation to cover off his previous (and still not fully explained) ties with too many wealthy Russians.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    I'm gonna be a meta-conspiracy theorist on Biden's health. I reckon they want to keep various potential stories plausible so he can either return to presidenting in fighting form or step down for ill health, depending which of those turns out to be politically advantageous.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,743
    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Trump is now peddling exactly the crazy conspiracy theory that COVID was just a cover, but if possible it makes even less sense than ever, because his physician has issued a statement saying his symptoms have "almost resolved completed "!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,573

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.

    Parents needs to be much more aware of the sort of content that their boys (and girls, to some extent) are watching online, and understand that likes of Tate are being terrible influences on their sons. AIUI he’s still in quite a bit of legal trouble in Romania and can’t leave the country.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    That story about an entire family being wiped out in a motorcycle collision in Yorkshire yesterday is one of the saddest things I've read.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    Hmm. I've just watched this "combative BBC interview" with Andrew Tate and I can sort of understand his appeal.

    The BBC female interviewer is earnest, serious, humourless and quietly aggressive, and Tate is aggressive, and a dick, but also intelligent and quick-thinking and doesn't let her get a chip in. The main objection, I agree with Tate here, isn't what he says or the accusation of criminality, it's the influence and reach he has and the fact he seems to emotional manipulate women successfully, which really offends so many women. Particularly because they fear the consequences of this becoming more widespread for them.

    I've seen stories of how this can be 'combated' by lessons about "gender-based violence" in the classrooms. What bollocks. I can't think of anything less likely to influence boys against Tate, and it might make things worse. Plays right into his hands.

    Instead they need to teach positive male self-esteem and identity, and the same for girls, and how to explore positive fun sexual relationships and healthy experiences for young people within that. You'll make mistakes but get out there and meet people.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64125045
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043

    Nigelb said:

    I’d have to politely decline, too.
    And am about as likely to be asked.

    “ Joe Manchin says he wouldn’t serve as Harris VP. “

    Has anyone checked whether Kyrsten Sinema is interested?
    NOT being a Democrat any more bit of a barrier, methinks.

    Also the fact that putting Sinema on the ticket, would be great way for Harris to ensure she loses Arizona.

    Reckon she's about as electable in AZ, as Sarah Palin proved to be in AK in 2022.
    It was a joke.
  • CosmicCosmic Posts: 34
    Nigelb said:

    We REALLY need to take a look at how Taiwan does healthcare.

    https://alethios.substack.com/p/unexplored-unsaid
    ..Taiwan’s life expectancy at birth is 81.2 years, higher than the US at 79.3, and comparable with the likes of Denmark and the United Kingdom at 81.5 and 81.9 respectively. What’s truly impressive here is that this is achieved with a fraction of the spending. The USA spends around 17% of GDP on healthcare4. For Denmark, the UK, and much of the OECD, healthcare spending is typically around 9-12%. Taiwan spends just 6.6%. After accounting for Taiwan’s lower nominal GDP per capita5, the West is spending roughly 70% more on healthcare for similar life-expectancy outcomes

    ...Each year, the Taiwanese government quango ‘Health Smart Taiwan’ publishes a book highlighting what they judge to be the most outstanding results from the myriad ‘smart’ (i.e. digital technology) innovations and experiments delivered within the past year. Last year’s book contains 70 such innovations. They range from dozens of different AI models which improve diagnosis speed and accuracy, to labour-saving systems for blood collection, classification, and routing...

    I've used the healthcare in Taiwan and would say it's down to a variety of factors, but in particular it's cultural - the general population are proactive about their health.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,704
    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Incorrect.

    Biden was heard from within the last few hours talking by phone into the Harris rally telling her he loved her and will be campaigning for her.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361

    Hmm. I've just watched this "combative BBC interview" with Andrew Tate and I can sort of understand his appeal.

    The BBC female interviewer is earnest, serious, humourless and quietly aggressive, and Tate is aggressive, and a dick, but also intelligent and quick-thinking and doesn't let her get a chip in. The main objection, I agree with Tate here, isn't what he says or the accusation of criminality, it's the influence and reach he has and the fact he seems to emotional manipulate women successfully, which really offends so many women. Particularly because they fear the consequences of this becoming more widespread for them.

    I've seen stories of how this can be 'combated' by lessons about "gender-based violence" in the classrooms. What bollocks. I can't think of anything less likely to influence boys against Tate, and it might make things worse. Plays right into his hands.

    Instead they need to teach positive male self-esteem and identity, and the same for girls, and how to explore positive fun sexual relationships and healthy experiences for young people within that. You'll make mistakes but get out there and meet people.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64125045

    I would not have heard of him had it not been for the BBC banging on about him with monotonous regularity. According to the news on GMB it is online radicalisation that has made young men/children so violent towards women. No proof was offered.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,410
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Oh dear.

    Jenrick is a more intellectual Truss.

    Like how Vance is a more intellectual Trump? Hardly heavy lifting in either case!
    To be fair, Vance is very intelligent. You don't get into Yale Law School on a nearly full scholarship otherwise.

    As has been demonstrated here many times, having a high IQ doesn't guarantee any degree of compassion or humanity.
    At least you finally admit I’m a lot fucking smarter than you. As for the compassion, perhaps you need brains to see it
    And as we can see, there are also dim people who lack compassion.
    By definition. Eg you. Lefties like you who are - let us be kind - of midwitted intellect cannot see that your virtue signalling attitude to things like immigration in the end makes everyone worse off
    Leaving aside accusations of 'mid-witted intellect', I think left wing people these days do understand that their policies leave people worse off. But they can't stop. Guilt is a large motivating factor in how fiercely they continue to argue.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043
    Sandpit said:

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.

    Parents needs to be much more aware of the sort of content that their boys (and girls, to some extent) are watching online, and understand that likes of Tate are being terrible influences on their sons. AIUI he’s still in quite a bit of legal trouble in Romania and can’t leave the country.
    If awaiting trial on multiple charges of rape and human trafficking is “quite a bit of legal trouble”, then, yes, he’s in quite a bit of legal trouble in Romania.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361
    MikeL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Incorrect.

    Biden was heard from within the last few hours talking by phone into the Harris rally telling her he loved her and will be campaigning for her.
    That does not necessarily mean he is not as ill as has been made out.

    I do hope he is not. It is very sad his health is still being used as a political football.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    For what must be the 100th time, no I am not supporting Donald Trump.

    What I am doing, is reading a lot of US news and trying to give this betting forum alternative perspectives to mainstream media opinion.
    Yeah, I'd believe that if you actually gave other, non pro-Trump or pro-Rep views.

    If if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... ;)
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361

    That story about an entire family being wiped out in a motorcycle collision in Yorkshire yesterday is one of the saddest things I've read.

    Terrible, and the young girl who survived will have to live with that all her life too.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    Sandpit said:

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
    (Snip)
    Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

    The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

    Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    Cosmic said:

    Nigelb said:

    We REALLY need to take a look at how Taiwan does healthcare.

    https://alethios.substack.com/p/unexplored-unsaid
    ..Taiwan’s life expectancy at birth is 81.2 years, higher than the US at 79.3, and comparable with the likes of Denmark and the United Kingdom at 81.5 and 81.9 respectively. What’s truly impressive here is that this is achieved with a fraction of the spending. The USA spends around 17% of GDP on healthcare4. For Denmark, the UK, and much of the OECD, healthcare spending is typically around 9-12%. Taiwan spends just 6.6%. After accounting for Taiwan’s lower nominal GDP per capita5, the West is spending roughly 70% more on healthcare for similar life-expectancy outcomes

    ...Each year, the Taiwanese government quango ‘Health Smart Taiwan’ publishes a book highlighting what they judge to be the most outstanding results from the myriad ‘smart’ (i.e. digital technology) innovations and experiments delivered within the past year. Last year’s book contains 70 such innovations. They range from dozens of different AI models which improve diagnosis speed and accuracy, to labour-saving systems for blood collection, classification, and routing...

    I've used the healthcare in Taiwan and would say it's down to a variety of factors, but in particular it's cultural - the general population are proactive about their health.
    Yes, lifestyle is more important than medical care when looking at longevity.

    The American lifestyle is not healthy, yet increasingly copied around the world.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,573

    That story about an entire family being wiped out in a motorcycle collision in Yorkshire yesterday is one of the saddest things I've read.

    Even worse is that it didn’t quite wipe out an entire family. One 11-year-old girl just lost both her parents and both her siblings, hopefully she has extended family that can take care of her. Horrible accident.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/21/wakefield-barnsely-yorkshire-car-motorbike-crash-six-dead/
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    Taz said:

    Hmm. I've just watched this "combative BBC interview" with Andrew Tate and I can sort of understand his appeal.

    The BBC female interviewer is earnest, serious, humourless and quietly aggressive, and Tate is aggressive, and a dick, but also intelligent and quick-thinking and doesn't let her get a chip in. The main objection, I agree with Tate here, isn't what he says or the accusation of criminality, it's the influence and reach he has and the fact he seems to emotional manipulate women successfully, which really offends so many women. Particularly because they fear the consequences of this becoming more widespread for them.

    I've seen stories of how this can be 'combated' by lessons about "gender-based violence" in the classrooms. What bollocks. I can't think of anything less likely to influence boys against Tate, and it might make things worse. Plays right into his hands.

    Instead they need to teach positive male self-esteem and identity, and the same for girls, and how to explore positive fun sexual relationships and healthy experiences for young people within that. You'll make mistakes but get out there and meet people.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64125045

    I would not have heard of him had it not been for the BBC banging on about him with monotonous regularity. According to the news on GMB it is online radicalisation that has made young men/children so violent towards women. No proof was offered.
    That BBC female interviewer totemises everyone in their lives who hectors and lectures them about how bad they are for being boys/ men and potentially being interested in sex with women. Solution: they need even more of the lectures.

    Are they that thick? Can they really not see this?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    Taz said:

    That story about an entire family being wiped out in a motorcycle collision in Yorkshire yesterday is one of the saddest things I've read.

    Terrible, and the young girl who survived will have to live with that all her life too.
    It's absolutely awful. How on earth is she ever going to get over that?

    Heartbreaking.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, I do. Which is why I'm so bemused by his shilling for Trump and the Republicans. If he wanted a Ukrainian victory, he'd be decrying the shits who say stuff like 'Zelensky is a dictator' and 'give us back our dollars'.

    Instead, he supports them.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, but JJ is just pointing out Sandpits cognitive dissonance in cheerleading Trump.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,030
    .

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    What utter balls.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,796

    Hmm. I've just watched this "combative BBC interview" with Andrew Tate and I can sort of understand his appeal.

    The BBC female interviewer is earnest, serious, humourless and quietly aggressive, and Tate is aggressive, and a dick, but also intelligent and quick-thinking and doesn't let her get a chip in. The main objection, I agree with Tate here, isn't what he says or the accusation of criminality, it's the influence and reach he has and the fact he seems to emotional manipulate women successfully, which really offends so many women. Particularly because they fear the consequences of this becoming more widespread for them.

    I've seen stories of how this can be 'combated' by lessons about "gender-based violence" in the classrooms. What bollocks. I can't think of anything less likely to influence boys against Tate, and it might make things worse. Plays right into his hands.

    Instead they need to teach positive male self-esteem and identity, and the same for girls, and how to explore positive fun sexual relationships and healthy experiences for young people within that. You'll make mistakes but get out there and meet people.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64125045

    I've linked to this before but it is a simply superb explanation about the importance of consent in sex:https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?&q=consent+like+a+cup+of+tea&qpvt=consent+like+a+cup+of+tea&mid=AE75C0A0984110742CE0AE75C0A0984110742CE0&mmscn=mtsc&aps=7&FORM=VRDGAR

    Consent is, of course, simply one part of mutual respect between the sexes. I find the misogynist views of the likes of Tate abhorrent. As the father of two daughters I find it worrying but as the father of a son perhaps even more so.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,573

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, I do. Which is why I'm so bemused by his shilling for Trump and the Republicans. If he wanted a Ukrainian victory, he'd be decrying the shits who say stuff like 'Zelensky is a dictator' and 'give us back our dollars'.

    Instead, he supports them.
    For the 101st time…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,573
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, but JJ is just pointing out Sandpits cognitive dissonance in cheerleading Trump.
    And the 102nd time…
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    Nigelb said:

    .

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    What utter balls.
    No, I'm bang on in every single way.

    You are simply too dumb to realise this.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    DavidL said:

    Hmm. I've just watched this "combative BBC interview" with Andrew Tate and I can sort of understand his appeal.

    The BBC female interviewer is earnest, serious, humourless and quietly aggressive, and Tate is aggressive, and a dick, but also intelligent and quick-thinking and doesn't let her get a chip in. The main objection, I agree with Tate here, isn't what he says or the accusation of criminality, it's the influence and reach he has and the fact he seems to emotional manipulate women successfully, which really offends so many women. Particularly because they fear the consequences of this becoming more widespread for them.

    I've seen stories of how this can be 'combated' by lessons about "gender-based violence" in the classrooms. What bollocks. I can't think of anything less likely to influence boys against Tate, and it might make things worse. Plays right into his hands.

    Instead they need to teach positive male self-esteem and identity, and the same for girls, and how to explore positive fun sexual relationships and healthy experiences for young people within that. You'll make mistakes but get out there and meet people.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64125045

    I've linked to this before but it is a simply superb explanation about the importance of consent in sex:https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?&q=consent+like+a+cup+of+tea&qpvt=consent+like+a+cup+of+tea&mid=AE75C0A0984110742CE0AE75C0A0984110742CE0&mmscn=mtsc&aps=7&FORM=VRDGAR

    Consent is, of course, simply one part of mutual respect between the sexes. I find the misogynist views of the likes of Tate abhorrent. As the father of two daughters I find it worrying but as the father of a son perhaps even more so.
    Of course, and I am a father of both a daughter and son myself, but i note there is no critique of the behaviour of the BBC interviewer in that interview which I found instinctively off-putting and repellant. There was no respect on either side.

    Both sides need to stop negativising and catastrophising the bad agency and potential awful behaviour of the other and trying to fight fire with fire.

    Instead they need to show how healthy and more rewarding sexual experiences and relationships can happen. Because that's absolutely what young boys are interested in learning.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,030
    edited July 23
    Cosmic said:

    Nigelb said:

    We REALLY need to take a look at how Taiwan does healthcare.

    https://alethios.substack.com/p/unexplored-unsaid
    ..Taiwan’s life expectancy at birth is 81.2 years, higher than the US at 79.3, and comparable with the likes of Denmark and the United Kingdom at 81.5 and 81.9 respectively. What’s truly impressive here is that this is achieved with a fraction of the spending. The USA spends around 17% of GDP on healthcare4. For Denmark, the UK, and much of the OECD, healthcare spending is typically around 9-12%. Taiwan spends just 6.6%. After accounting for Taiwan’s lower nominal GDP per capita5, the West is spending roughly 70% more on healthcare for similar life-expectancy outcomes

    ...Each year, the Taiwanese government quango ‘Health Smart Taiwan’ publishes a book highlighting what they judge to be the most outstanding results from the myriad ‘smart’ (i.e. digital technology) innovations and experiments delivered within the past year. Last year’s book contains 70 such innovations. They range from dozens of different AI models which improve diagnosis speed and accuracy, to labour-saving systems for blood collection, classification, and routing...

    I've used the healthcare in Taiwan and would say it's down to a variety of factors, but in particular it's cultural - the general population are proactive about their health.
    That's part of it.
    I was interested in the ways in which they've apparently improved productivity in the healthcare system, though.
    ...China Medical University Hospital developed an antibacterial prediction model that reduces testing time from 72 hours to 1, predicts bacterial resistance, and has reduced medication errors by 60%. Kaohsiung Siaogang Hospital’s AI has cut dialysis hypotension incidence by two-thirds. There are tales of ‘smart hospitals’ using big data and linear programming to reduce staff workloads and patient throughput, highlighting a 40% reduction in operating room delays. Other hospitals are experimenting with remote surgery, allowing specialists in the cities to provide urgent care to isolated communities. More than any one particular advance, it’s the breadth and pace of innovation across the healthcare sector that’s truly impressive to me...

    Seems to be bottom up, rather than top down.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Sandpit said:

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
    (Snip)
    Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

    The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

    Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.
    If you want a reason for dropping fertility rates then don't look at economics (poor people have higher fertility rates) look at how unappealing many young men are.

    It's not "Woke" to realise that for many women there are better options, including being single and independent. Fortunately most boys think Tate repulsive, and most grow out of his misogynistic world view.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, I do. Which is why I'm so bemused by his shilling for Trump and the Republicans. If he wanted a Ukrainian victory, he'd be decrying the shits who say stuff like 'Zelensky is a dictator' and 'give us back our dollars'.

    Instead, he supports them.
    For the 101st time…
    It doesn't matter how many times you say it; from where I'm sitting, it seems like... well, let me just say it's inconsistent with what you are posting.

    You cannot support or shill for Trump and/or the Republicans, and support Ukraine. The positions are polar opposites.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399

    Sandpit said:

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
    (Snip)
    Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

    The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

    Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.
    And, if the response is to now tell young men that they are lesser, and bad, you're going to get a backlash. And that backlash will be emotional and calculated to hurt on those they think are attacking them.

    Young people don't carry any responsibility for the past centuries. And neither did the young women alive today experience that quite frankly. This is Wokery all over, and why it's a problem, and one I think that at some level you recognise.

    Anti-woke people don't want to return to medieval times: they simply want identity politics to end because it's toxic.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,030

    Nigelb said:

    .

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    What utter balls.
    No, I'm bang on in every single way.

    You are simply too dumb to realise this.
    You talk in slogans, and insult those who disagree with you.
    Like a right wing version of a seventies Trot.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    Nigelb said:

    Cosmic said:

    Nigelb said:

    We REALLY need to take a look at how Taiwan does healthcare.

    https://alethios.substack.com/p/unexplored-unsaid
    ..Taiwan’s life expectancy at birth is 81.2 years, higher than the US at 79.3, and comparable with the likes of Denmark and the United Kingdom at 81.5 and 81.9 respectively. What’s truly impressive here is that this is achieved with a fraction of the spending. The USA spends around 17% of GDP on healthcare4. For Denmark, the UK, and much of the OECD, healthcare spending is typically around 9-12%. Taiwan spends just 6.6%. After accounting for Taiwan’s lower nominal GDP per capita5, the West is spending roughly 70% more on healthcare for similar life-expectancy outcomes

    ...Each year, the Taiwanese government quango ‘Health Smart Taiwan’ publishes a book highlighting what they judge to be the most outstanding results from the myriad ‘smart’ (i.e. digital technology) innovations and experiments delivered within the past year. Last year’s book contains 70 such innovations. They range from dozens of different AI models which improve diagnosis speed and accuracy, to labour-saving systems for blood collection, classification, and routing...

    I've used the healthcare in Taiwan and would say it's down to a variety of factors, but in particular it's cultural - the general population are proactive about their health.
    That's part of it.
    I was interested in the ways in which they've apparently improved productivity in the healthcare system, though.
    The ways to improve productivity in health care are mostly fairly predictable and prosaic. Invest in technology, replace outdated buildings to reflect advances in techniques, train staff well, retain senior decision makers, remove administrative bottlenecks and reward front line innovation. Pretty much the opposite of what Britain has done over the last decade.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,796
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, but JJ is just pointing out Sandpits cognitive dissonance in cheerleading Trump.
    I don't read @Sandpit as supporting Trump at all. What he is attempting to do is highlight the way that nearly 50% of Americans currently think. We are the ones who suffer cognitive dissonance on this because we simply do not understand how any rational person can support such a dishonest, misogynistic, boorish, obnoxious idiot.

    I don't understand it myself. The man made a rather pathetic attempt to overthrow the government for Christ's sake. He is a convicted felon. He has appointed unfit people to the Supreme Court and corrupted that institution. He is a serial fraudster, whether it is his multiple bankruptcies, the dishonesty in his dealings with banks, his use of other peoples' money to pay his lawyers or Trump University.

    And yet many, many Americans find the attitudes and current policies of the US liberal establishment so disconnected with their life experience and needs they are willing to listen. We need to think more about the alienated who exist in our society every bit as much as in the USA. Look at the millions who voted for Reform. Pointing to the existence of something is not the same as supporting it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    NEW THREAD

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546

    Sandpit said:

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
    (Snip)
    Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

    The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

    Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.
    And, if the response is to now tell young men that they are lesser, and bad, you're going to get a backlash. And that backlash will be emotional and calculated to hurt on those they think are attacking them.

    Young people don't carry any responsibility for the past centuries. And neither did the young women alive today experience that quite frankly. This is Wokery all over, and why it's a problem, and one I think that at some level you recognise.

    Anti-woke people don't want to return to medieval times: they simply want identity politics to end because it's toxic.
    Anti-wokery is about going backwards; back towards treating women and minorities as lesser people. Look at what's happening in the anti-woke US right on women's reproductive rights.

    A world where men rule; or more precisely, white men rule.

    And you wonder why that's not appealing to women?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,392
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, but JJ is just pointing out Sandpits cognitive dissonance in cheerleading Trump.
    I don't read @Sandpit as supporting Trump at all. What he is attempting to do is highlight the way that nearly 50% of Americans currently think. We are the ones who suffer cognitive dissonance on this because we simply do not understand how any rational person can support such a dishonest, misogynistic, boorish, obnoxious idiot.

    I don't understand it myself. The man made a rather pathetic attempt to overthrow the government for Christ's sake. He is a convicted felon. He has appointed unfit people to the Supreme Court and corrupted that institution. He is a serial fraudster, whether it is his multiple bankruptcies, the dishonesty in his dealings with banks, his use of other peoples' money to pay his lawyers or Trump University.

    And yet many, many Americans find the attitudes and current policies of the US liberal establishment so disconnected with their life experience and needs they are willing to listen. We need to think more about the alienated who exist in our society every bit as much as in the USA. Look at the millions who voted for Reform. Pointing to the existence of something is not the same as supporting it.
    That's the core of the populism. The people who run the country are doing very well and have lost touch with the bottom half of society. Until they reestablish an understanding of life at the bottom and do something about it populism is here to stay
  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 70
    It's not just about sex and consent, though is it.

    It's about listening to women and taking them seriously, about seeing them as the principals in their own lives not simply supporting characters in men's. A lot of men who don't support Tate still have difficulty with that, despite not thinking of themselves as misogynistic. And react badly when that is pointed out.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,392
    AnthonyT said:

    It's not just about sex and consent, though is it.

    It's about listening to women and taking them seriously, about seeing them as the principals in their own lives not simply supporting characters in men's. A lot of men who don't support Tate still have difficulty with that, despite not thinking of themselves as misogynistic. And react badly when that is pointed out.

    I take it youre not married ? In a marriage the woman calls more of the shots than the man,
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,638
    edited July 23
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
    (Snip)
    Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

    The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

    Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.
    If you want a reason for dropping fertility rates then don't look at economics (poor people have higher fertility rates) look at how unappealing many young men are.

    It's not "Woke" to realise that for many women there are better options, including being single and independent. Fortunately most boys think Tate repulsive, and most grow out of his misogynistic world view.
    It's just young women having some self-respect. Given their higher academic performance it's kinda natural you end up with this kind of split.

    What more interesting is the political divide - any lefty young guy interested in the environment, keeps himself in decent shape and isn't a complete arsehole is going to be hot property.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,573
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, but JJ is just pointing out Sandpits cognitive dissonance in cheerleading Trump.
    I don't read @Sandpit as supporting Trump at all. What he is attempting to do is highlight the way that nearly 50% of Americans currently think. We are the ones who suffer cognitive dissonance on this because we simply do not understand how any rational person can support such a dishonest, misogynistic, boorish, obnoxious idiot.

    I don't understand it myself. The man made a rather pathetic attempt to overthrow the government for Christ's sake. He is a convicted felon. He has appointed unfit people to the Supreme Court and corrupted that institution. He is a serial fraudster, whether it is his multiple bankruptcies, the dishonesty in his dealings with banks, his use of other peoples' money to pay his lawyers or Trump University.

    And yet many, many Americans find the attitudes and current policies of the US liberal establishment so disconnected with their life experience and needs they are willing to listen. We need to think more about the alienated who exist in our society every bit as much as in the USA. Look at the millions who voted for Reform. Pointing to the existence of something is not the same as supporting it.
    My view on Trump is simply more nuanced than most, who have a very black or white view of him.

    I dislike the guy on a personal level, he’s the sort of businessman and politician I’ve met way too many times, would go out of my way to avoid in a professional capacity, and he certainly wouldn’t be someone I’d want to associate with in my own time.

    But I also don’t think he’s the second coming of Hitler, and think that a lot of his recent legal issues have come from a politically-motivated angle. The Republican project to reform the Supreme Court has been the work of decades, long pre-dating Trump, with the explicit intention of overturning previous liberal rulings from the bench as seen in Roe, which Conservatives believed to be an overstretch of constitutional law which made no mention of the issue at hand. Trump has a more liberal view of that subject than many in his party, one might suspect he’s paid for a few in his lifetime.

    The wider background, as you suggest, is that The American Dream simply isn’t working for tens of millions of people. Michael Moore said it best right back in 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMm5HfxNXY4 and similar arguments apply for the popularity of the likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage in the UK.

    The trick, as usual, is to discard what a noisy 10% at either extreme of the political spectrum are saying on Twitter, and try to pay more attention to those in the middle. There’s a lot of Americans who are still to make up their minds about the election.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, but JJ is just pointing out Sandpits cognitive dissonance in cheerleading Trump.
    I don't read @Sandpit as supporting Trump at all. What he is attempting to do is highlight the way that nearly 50% of Americans currently think. We are the ones who suffer cognitive dissonance on this because we simply do not understand how any rational person can support such a dishonest, misogynistic, boorish, obnoxious idiot.

    I don't understand it myself. The man made a rather pathetic attempt to overthrow the government for Christ's sake. He is a convicted felon. He has appointed unfit people to the Supreme Court and corrupted that institution. He is a serial fraudster, whether it is his multiple bankruptcies, the dishonesty in his dealings with banks, his use of other peoples' money to pay his lawyers or Trump University.

    And yet many, many Americans find the attitudes and current policies of the US liberal establishment so disconnected with their life experience and needs they are willing to listen. We need to think more about the alienated who exist in our society every bit as much as in the USA. Look at the millions who voted for Reform. Pointing to the existence of something is not the same as supporting it.
    My view on Trump is simply more nuanced than most, who have a very black or white view of him.

    I dislike the guy on a personal level, he’s the sort of businessman and politician I’ve met way too many times, would go out of my way to avoid in a professional capacity, and he certainly wouldn’t be someone I’d want to associate with in my own time.

    But I also don’t think he’s the second coming of Hitler, and think that a lot of his recent legal issues have come from a politically-motivated angle. The Republican project to reform the Supreme Court has been the work of decades, long pre-dating Trump, with the explicit intention of overturning previous liberal rulings from the bench as seen in Roe, which Conservatives believed to be an overstretch of constitutional law which made no mention of the issue at hand. Trump has a more liberal view of that subject than many in his party, one might suspect he’s paid for a few in his lifetime.

    The wider background, as you suggest, is that The American Dream simply isn’t working for tens of millions of people. Michael Moore said it best right back in 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMm5HfxNXY4 and similar arguments apply for the popularity of the likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage in the UK.

    The trick, as usual, is to discard what a noisy 10% at either extreme of the political spectrum are saying on Twitter, and try to pay more attention to those in the middle. There’s a lot of Americans who are still to make up their minds about the election.
    But from your posts your 'middle' seems to firmly within Republican viewpoints.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    What utter balls.
    No, I'm bang on in every single way.

    You are simply too dumb to realise this.
    You talk in slogans, and insult those who disagree with you.
    Like a right wing version of a seventies Trot.
    And yet you started with "utter balls", which is an insult in itself really, isn't it?

    I am right on this, and you are wrong. Your splenetic responses to any post on it is simply a sign of your brain struggling to process it as you're left behind.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
    (Snip)
    Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

    The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

    Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.
    If you want a reason for dropping fertility rates then don't look at economics (poor people have higher fertility rates) look at how unappealing many young men are.

    It's not "Woke" to realise that for many women there are better options, including being single and independent. Fortunately most boys think Tate repulsive, and most grow out of his misogynistic world view.
    It's just young women having some self-respect. Given their higher academic performance it's kinda natural you end up with this kind of split.

    What more interesting is the political divide - any lefty young guy interested in the environment, keeps himself in decent shape and isn't a complete arsehole is going to be hot property.
    Lol
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546

    AnthonyT said:

    It's not just about sex and consent, though is it.

    It's about listening to women and taking them seriously, about seeing them as the principals in their own lives not simply supporting characters in men's. A lot of men who don't support Tate still have difficulty with that, despite not thinking of themselves as misogynistic. And react badly when that is pointed out.

    I take it youre not married ? In a marriage the woman calls more of the shots than the man,
    I think that depends on the dynamics within any particular marriage. My parents have been together for nearly sixty years, and the roles in their marriage are complex, even in retirement. My dad takes responsibility for some stuff; my mum for others. They refer decisions, especially big ones, to each other.

    If I look at my own relationship: I'm a stay-at-home dad, whilst my wife works. I end up making a lot of decisions (which is what I think you mean by 'call more of the shots'; simply because I have much more free time than her. It's part of my role in our relationship to look after the little details. But yes, we do talk about them as well.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399

    Sandpit said:

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
    (Snip)
    Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

    The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

    Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.
    And, if the response is to now tell young men that they are lesser, and bad, you're going to get a backlash. And that backlash will be emotional and calculated to hurt on those they think are attacking them.

    Young people don't carry any responsibility for the past centuries. And neither did the young women alive today experience that quite frankly. This is Wokery all over, and why it's a problem, and one I think that at some level you recognise.

    Anti-woke people don't want to return to medieval times: they simply want identity politics to end because it's toxic.
    Anti-wokery is about going backwards; back towards treating women and minorities as lesser people. Look at what's happening in the anti-woke US right on women's reproductive rights.

    A world where men rule; or more precisely, white men rule.

    And you wonder why that's not appealing to women?
    No, it isn't, that's simply you ignoring everything I just said and reasserting what you want it to be. It's an end to identity politics. Your response to any criticism of it seems to be that the critic must be antediluvian, just because some might be, which is palpably absurd.

    It's remarkable how unable you are to see this. I assume it's because it triggers strong emotions in you.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546

    Sandpit said:

    "Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

    I think Wokery, turbocharged by social media, is driving misogyny amongst boys and misandry amongst girls. Just look at that stupid poll on young women preferring to be with a bear than a man in a forest upthread.

    Identity politics must end.
    It’s the inevitable backlash against the wokery that tells young men, especially young white men, that they are inherently bad people. The online version of this, is also much more extreme than what’s seen in mainstream discussion.
    (Snip)
    Perhaps, just perhaps, the current situation is due to centuries of women being told that they're lesser (and being treated as such by the law), or blacks and ethnic minorities that they're inferior? That they're lesser, and bad.

    The problem with the anti-woke people is that many seem to want to return to those days.

    Tate treats women as chattel. He is propagating the line that women are chattel.
    And, if the response is to now tell young men that they are lesser, and bad, you're going to get a backlash. And that backlash will be emotional and calculated to hurt on those they think are attacking them.

    Young people don't carry any responsibility for the past centuries. And neither did the young women alive today experience that quite frankly. This is Wokery all over, and why it's a problem, and one I think that at some level you recognise.

    Anti-woke people don't want to return to medieval times: they simply want identity politics to end because it's toxic.
    Anti-wokery is about going backwards; back towards treating women and minorities as lesser people. Look at what's happening in the anti-woke US right on women's reproductive rights.

    A world where men rule; or more precisely, white men rule.

    And you wonder why that's not appealing to women?
    No, it isn't, that's simply you ignoring everything I just said and reasserting what you want it to be. It's an end to identity politics. Your response to any criticism of it seems to be that the critic must be antediluvian, just because some might be, which is palpably absurd.

    It's remarkable how unable you are to see this. I assume it's because it triggers strong emotions in you.
    I don't ignore what you write; I just think it's utterly wrong-headed. But to ensure we're both on the same wavelength, let me ask a question: how do you personally define 'identity politics'?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, I do. Which is why I'm so bemused by his shilling for Trump and the Republicans. If he wanted a Ukrainian victory, he'd be decrying the shits who say stuff like 'Zelensky is a dictator' and 'give us back our dollars'.

    Instead, he supports them.
    If you do try showing some empathy instead of being your usual hectoring self.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Suggestions on Twitter that Biden is really quite sick, having been taken ill when in Vegas last week, and that discussions about Covid are possibly a red herring. He’s not been seen nor heard from since, and his annoucement of stepping down was on Twitter with no interview.

    Careful. Yesterday a suspected troll was banned for raising the question of President Biden's whereabouts, with the implication he might soon be six feet under.
    Ooh…

    Well yesterday there was a formal handover of the President’s responsibilities with regard to the Ukraine rebuilding programme, to other government agencies. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/07/22/memorandum-on-the-delegation-of-certain-functions-and-authorities-under-the-rebuilding-economic-prosperity-and-opportunity-for-ukrainians-act/

    Israeli PM Netanyahu arrived in Washington yesterday, to be met by no-one, his meetings tentatively postponed until Thursday by the White House.
    https://apnews.com/article/netanyahu-congress-biden-israel-hamas-gaza-6d8deabff2701273ea77bf634ba1949b

    Reputable right-wing journalists say they have sources in Vegas that confirm the story of the local police being asked to clear roads for him to go to the hospital, but instead he went straight to the airport and AF1 left in a hurry back to Dover.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1812253220489814089 is a starting point for the story.

    There’s also the death of Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, reportedly from cancer, who was involved with the oversight of the Secret Service according to their chief who was in Congress yesterday. https://apnews.com/article/sheila-jackson-lee-died-b2de57de41d39053a7648b16438eb009
    "Reputable right-wing journalist" being someone whose pinned picture at the top of his Twitter thread being Trump with his fist raised after the shooting? Might he be a tad bit biased? P'haps?

    I find your position incredible: you claim to want a Ukrainian victory, yet fully support Trump, who is making every sign that he will withdraw support for Ukraine. I cannot see how you can honestly maintain these two positions.

    You seem so in on Trump, I guess it's support for Ukraine you're dropping?
    You do realise Sandpit has far more reason than most of us to want a Ukrainian victory.
    Yes, I do. Which is why I'm so bemused by his shilling for Trump and the Republicans. If he wanted a Ukrainian victory, he'd be decrying the shits who say stuff like 'Zelensky is a dictator' and 'give us back our dollars'.

    Instead, he supports them.
    If you do try showing some empathy instead of being your usual hectoring self.
    Poster writes a hectoring post accusing another of being hectoring...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,114
    Having typo problems.

    Why is R next to T and D on my keyborat?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,114
    edited July 23
    ohnotnow said:

    WillG said:

    What a twat JD Vance is:

    Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH), Donald Trump’s vice presidential pick, said in 2021 that Vice President Kamala Harris is one of the “childless cat ladies” who is “miserable” with her life and has no direct stake in America because she is not a mom, the HuffPost reports.

    The Repulican lady interviewed on R4 this evening was derisive about that - said she was a single cat lady too.
    "To lose one cat-lady vote, Mr. Carlson, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness"
    I posted a stat on that yesterday.

    Single cat ladies as % of the vote in US cities.

    9.9% Portland, Oregon
    9.3% Seattle, Washington
    8.7% Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
    8.4% Kansas City, Missouri
    8.3% Denver, Colorado
    8.2% Albuquerque, New Mexico
    7.7% Minneapolis, Minnesota
    7.7% Harrisburg, Virginia
    7.5% Tampa, Florida
    7.5% Columbus, Ohio
    https://wkfr.com/columbus-single-cat-ladies/

    In numbers it is a big survey, but I don't think they are in the BPC.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 23
    Outrage. My car insurance is up from ~£210 to ~£290 for my 18 year old 7 seater.

    (Per year)

  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,114
    edited July 23
    IanB2 said:

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    Ooooh.

    The Tory leadership election will be an online vote for members.


    Yay, a week to sign up to get a vote. I am going to take part of my KH profit and invest in a Tory membership
    I am quite tempted too...
    It's £39.
    The real cost is the lifelong shame of having once been a member of the Tory party.
    I've done that, and overall I don't regret it, in my contribution to try and support levelling-up from the place where I could have more than zero influence; on my issues certain things benefited - like the long term active travel initiatives in London and some Northern cities. I hope these are going to be transformative models.

    I got out when the NE section of HS2 was killed, since istm that the balance was now decided against my objectives.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,114

    Outrage. My car insurance is up from ~£210 to ~£290 for my 18 year old 7 seater.

    (Per year)

    Papa !
  • MattW said:

    Outrage. My car insurance is up from ~£210 to ~£290 for my 18 year old 7 seater.

    (Per year)

    Papa !
    My son basically pays that every month (even with a tracker). It is another way in which the young get shafted.

    (mind you my octogenarian mothers insurance doubled this year so its not all one way, but still only a quarter of my son's.
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