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A dynamic selection of camera angles at Dingwall Counting Centre reveals a strategically placed balcony, perhaps for the media scrum? A bored correspondent from STV and reporters for both the remaining local newspapers gather to moan about the tedium of it all over coffee.
A sheep wanders unnoticed through the back of the hall. A man texts. A woman takes a nap.
Could there be an announcement. Probably. Who knows? We are, perhaps, beyond caring at this stage.
The Socialist Equality Party contingent attempts to start a chorus of Ten Green Bottles to keep everyone's spirits up, but the assembled masses grind to a half-hearted halt at around Eight Green Bottles. Bottles of whisky are all anybody wants now. Possibly served with diazepam.0 -
God, please, make it stop.ydoethur said:
They shouldn't have tried all that blue Skye thinking.pigeon said:
The tension is building towards a crescendo at the Dingwall Counting Centre... Unfortunately the live stream is shite:Carnyx said:Adjudication at Inverness now!
Alas, no pics of the ballots, little drawings, etc.
"Due to the use if [sic] satellite technology, the stream may buffer, please be patient the stream will return"
One suspects that the satellite "technology" is of ex-Soviet vintage. On loan from Mr V Putin, Moscow.
But in the short intervals when the images are actually moving, it's gripping stuff. Rivals the England football team for entertainment and sheer flair.0 -
Has there been some change in the rules which means goals in open play before half time don't count?1
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That should be number 5 ...FrankBooth said:
I thought you were dead.JACK_W said:To finish first :
1. Lord Falconer's Speech
2. Inverness Recount
3. England Euro Campaign
4. SeanT's Latest PB Incarnation
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The situation in Inverness is getting increasingly bizarre. How long do they need to count the votes?0
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Isnt the snide coming from the traditional left, rather than conservatives, who at least agree with 85% of what reform said, if not the nature of how it is said.MisterBedfordshire said:The snide and in some cases plain nasty comments on here today about Farage and Reform are quite nasty.
For the first time since the 1661 election, the Cavalier-Anti Exclusionist-Court-Tory-Conservative party has not got a parliamentary monopoly on its wing of politics in England/Great Britain.
And they do not like it, they do not like it one bit, they do not like it up 'em.0 -
What happens if the count in Dingwall isn't finished by the time Starmer calls the next election?
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OT but whjile we wait on Dingwall - some more maps up for free online from the nice people at the National Library in Edinburgh.
"New Ordnance Survey National Grid Maps of England and Wales, 1940s-1970s Although not relating
to Scotland (which has had maps at these scales online already for some years), NLS has recently put online
137,859 OS National Grid maps of England and Wales at 1:1,250/1:2,500 scales (1940s-1970s). These are
the most detailed maps published by Ordnance Survey of England and Wales after the Second World War.
All urban areas with more than about 20,000 inhabitants were mapped at 1:1,250 scale, and all other
inhabited areas and cultivated land were mapped at 1:2,500. At 1:1,250 scale, most detached features
covering 1 square metre or larger are usually shown. These maps are excellent for viewing divisions between
houses, house numbers, public and industrial buildings, railways, pavements, streets and street names,
parkland and trees, paths, spot heights, and all administrative urban and rural boundaries. These maps were
continually revised, with successive editions for areas undergoing more change on the ground."
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It's the Starmer effect - ever since Labour got in, football has become boring.pigeon said:
Switzerland is smaller than England. Scoring goals against them just wouldn't be fair. This appears to be the prevailing line of thinking, anyway.DavidL said:Has there been some change in the rules which means goals in open play before half time don't count?
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A reflection on America. In the mid 90's I had an American girlfriend and spent some time over there.
Leaving Heathrow was a tedious security nightmare as it wasn't long after the paramilitaries of an actual UK fascist party had shelled Heathrow.
On the return leg the airport security was virtudlly non existent. The mainly domestic airport basically had the security of a bus station and my then girlfrend (alas ex by the end of the trip) accompanied me into the depdrture lounge international departures gate, and said goodbye at the gate to the plane, where the international gate had a security measure the rest did not, a metal detector hoop. Having experienced Heathrow a fortnight before the phrase "Are they mad" sprang to mind. Alas correctly.
Anyway, with US leave amounting to 10 days a year I had a fair bit of time on my own while she was at work.
I took a 48 hour trip to Washington and visited congress where you could basically wander round the place fairly freely short of going into the private offices and debating chamber. I had lunch in one of the restaurants there with senators and congressmen sitting at adjacent tables discussing various affairs.
Sadly that all ended a few years afterwards and the country has never recovered from the events that ended it.
I do think that if they had followed Thatchers example and treated it as a civil matter, with those involved put on trial for murder before a Jury, an awful lot less damage to the country would have been done.
Reading Pigeons comment about a man wandering around the Inverness count with a toddler on his shoulder, we do appear to have weathered various storms rather better.0 -
In fairness its not just England. 120 minutes of utter tedium last night.pigeon said:
Switzerland is smaller than England. Scoring goals against them just wouldn't be fair. This appears to be the prevailing line of thinking, anyway.DavidL said:Has there been some change in the rules which means goals in open play before half time don't count?
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Maybe it's some sort of Ultimate Filibuster.DM_Andy said:What happens if the count in Dingwall isn't finished by the time Starmer calls the next election?
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BREAKING NEWSpigeon said:A dynamic selection of camera angles at Dingwall Counting Centre reveals a strategically placed balcony, perhaps for the media scrum? A bored correspondent from STV and reporters for both the remaining local newspapers gather to moan about the tedium of it all over coffee.
A sheep wanders unnoticed through the back of the hall. A man texts. A woman takes a nap.
Could there be an announcement. Probably. Who knows? We are, perhaps, beyond caring at this stage.
The Socialist Equality Party contingent attempts to start a chorus of Ten Green Bottles to keep everyone's spirits up, but the assembled masses grind to a half-hearted halt at around Eight Green Bottles. Bottles of whisky are all anybody wants now. Possibly served with diazepam.
The sheep has been spotted and led to safety.
Further developments will be brought to you as they happen.0 -
I don't think the comments about Farage are snide. I think they are openly and directly hostile.MisterBedfordshire said:The snide and in some cases plain nasty comments on here today about Farage and Reform are quite nasty.
For the first time since the 1661 election, the Cavalier-Anti Exclusionist-Court-Tory-Conservative party has not got a parliamentary monopoly on its wing of politics in England/Great Britain.
And they do not like it, they do not like it one bit, they do not like it up 'em.
And most of the rest of the comments on here have been about ways of addressing the concerns of those who feel so abandoned by the main parties that they turn to Farage as nothing else has worked.
Very few (if any) have been hostile to those people. Today, at least.0 -
My local school (friend is a teacher there) did an election which included pupils and staff. Reform got the most votes and Labour second. Some of the teachers there are mortified.mwadams said:
I think it is even more complicated than that. Who knows what range of views young people will have in 5 years time? What will be the "consensus" views and what the outliers, and whether any or all of those will overlap with existing political blocs?darkage said:
In a lot of ways the left are now the establishment, at least in terms of culture - to a historically unprecedented degree, so the 'young vote' could react against that.mwadams said:
Many years ago, my other half wrote a paper for a Tory think-tank on the problem with generalising from "many young people" to "all young people" and the foolishness of abandoning "the youth vote" on that basis.darkage said:
I suspect this is based on outdated ideas about the young always being left wing.Casino_Royale said:
I don't agree with it, but let them if it makes them feel better.londonpubman said:I'm absolutely opposed to extending the franchise to allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. They are children.
18 is the age of majority for a reason.
We tried rebalancing constituencies and introducing voter ID.
It made absolutely no difference in the end.
Now is a great time for the Conservatives to do their periodic chameleon thing and emerge as a party with the practical politics that inspire and shape the next generation, while Labour have to deal with the messy business of being in government.
ETA: for the avoidance of doubt, I do not see who is going to kick that process off. But I live in hope.
It gives me hope for the future, that no mater what indoctrination they've had in their schooling, when given the opportunity they've stuck two fingers up. Nothing more British than that.
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Having just decried opinion polling I thought I'd take a look at previous governments and their 'honeymoon' post GE or otherwise, to see how long SKS might have before he starts to smell a bit musty
1992 - Major's government did not have much of a honeymoon but held the general lead for a few months and it all went south by the turn of the year into 1993 after Black Wednesday
1997 - 18 months of sky high approval and big leads before a falling back into a deficit during the fuel protests but big leads again afterwards, the only government that maintained approval throughout really
2001 - probably held approval at election levels until 6 months after Sept 11 2001 then a falling back to lower single figure leads into the election
2005 - no honeymoon until Brown who got a brief 3-4 month stint as popular before complete collapse
2010 - coalition did not get a honeymoon, LDs immediately lost vote share and Tories held on at GE level for a few months until Milibands election then honeymoon was over and polling deficits
2015 - the new majority Con government did not get a honeymoon but maintained a general lead until the EU referendum then May got a delayed honeymoon which she blew on
2017 - no Honeymoon, Boris got a get the job done boost into
2019 - brief honeymoon of 3 months or so then Covid, chaos, Barnard Castle, Eat out to spread it about and the rest
2024....... he's got till Christmas at best to seal the deal and push out in front like Blair '97, that's not long to turn the ship around from a 34% vote0 -
This isn't as bad as the last few England games.1
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The issue you have is that Farage and Reform are quite nasty. Farage has proven himself nasty many times in the past (e.g. with the breastfeeding stuff he said a decade ago, and which was much discussed on here), and the 'views' of some of the candidates before the GE. The ones he said people should still vote for...MisterBedfordshire said:The snide and in some cases plain nasty comments on here today about Farage and Reform are quite nasty.
For the first time since the 1661 election, the Cavalier-Anti Exclusionist-Court-Tory-Conservative party has not got a parliamentary monopoly on its wing of politics in England/Great Britain.
And they do not like it, they do not like it one bit, they do not like it up 'em.1 -
Pungent PB Pundit Punditry - NOTE that in proper, that is American, usage, "gerrymander" refers ONLY to manipulation of GEOGRAPHIC boundaries of legislative constituencies and to NONE of the ways you cite for suppressing voter turnout.pigeon said:
The Tories' big mistake was not changing polling station opening hours to 10am to 3pm (for the welfare of the staff, you understand: shorter working day, no counting all through the night,) and restricting postal ballots to the infirm (disabled, in hospital, ELDERLY.)Casino_Royale said:
I don't agree with it, but let them if it makes them feel better.londonpubman said:I'm absolutely opposed to extending the franchise to allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. They are children.
18 is the age of majority for a reason.
We tried rebalancing constituencies and introducing voter ID.
It made absolutely no difference in the end.
If you're going to gerrymander, make a proper job of it.
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Coming perhaps late to the discussion but whilst I oppose PR in the form most people mean it (propotionality for the parties) I do think TSE's idea of a two stage referendum and the way it would be set out is sensible. This is a system that should be used in any future referendums for changes where there are multiple possible outcomes.1
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Commentator promoting the highlights program later tonight. That's going to be a challenge so far.
Maybe they can switch to Dingwall instead.0 -
Stupid question but why not just hold a one-stage AV referendum with the status quo and some alternatives?Richard_Tyndall said:Coming perhaps late to the discussion but whilst I oppose PR in the form most people mean it (propotionality for the parties) I do think TSE's idea of a two stage referendum and the way it would be set out is sensible. This is a system that should be used in any future referendums for changes where there are multiple possible outcomes.
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The disease is spreading, perhaps?DavidL said:
In fairness its not just England. 120 minutes of utter tedium last night.pigeon said:
Switzerland is smaller than England. Scoring goals against them just wouldn't be fair. This appears to be the prevailing line of thinking, anyway.DavidL said:Has there been some change in the rules which means goals in open play before half time don't count?
It is entirely possible that the final will never be completed, on account of the players declining to move at all.
A performance art event. Standing still for 90 minutes. No, lying prone and motionless on the pitch, as if dead. A commentary upon the horrors of war.1 -
Only 4 minutes to half time.pigeon said:
God, please, make it stop.ydoethur said:
They shouldn't have tried all that blue Skye thinking.pigeon said:
The tension is building towards a crescendo at the Dingwall Counting Centre... Unfortunately the live stream is shite:Carnyx said:Adjudication at Inverness now!
Alas, no pics of the ballots, little drawings, etc.
"Due to the use if [sic] satellite technology, the stream may buffer, please be patient the stream will return"
One suspects that the satellite "technology" is of ex-Soviet vintage. On loan from Mr V Putin, Moscow.
But in the short intervals when the images are actually moving, it's gripping stuff. Rivals the England football team for entertainment and sheer flair.0 -
A protest in support of the Dingwall Counting Centre?pigeon said:
The disease is spreading, perhaps?DavidL said:
In fairness its not just England. 120 minutes of utter tedium last night.pigeon said:
Switzerland is smaller than England. Scoring goals against them just wouldn't be fair. This appears to be the prevailing line of thinking, anyway.DavidL said:Has there been some change in the rules which means goals in open play before half time don't count?
It is entirely possible that the final will never be completed, on account of the players declining to move at all.
A performance art event. Standing still for 90 minutes. No, lying prone and motionless on the pitch, as if dead. A commentary upon the horrors of war.0 -
Tories ought to be worrying about their own wanky shadow cabinet rather than other parties' efforts.rcs1000 said:
Give then their day in the sun. A few weeks ago their entire parliamentary party could fit in a couple of taxis.MarqueeMark said:Are the LibDems going to do one of those wanky Shadow Shadow Cabinets?
If it's anything like their actual cabinets, then a long period of reflection is in order.2 -
Is it just my impression but isn't this generally a very low scoring competition?DavidL said:
In fairness its not just England. 120 minutes of utter tedium last night.pigeon said:
Switzerland is smaller than England. Scoring goals against them just wouldn't be fair. This appears to be the prevailing line of thinking, anyway.DavidL said:Has there been some change in the rules which means goals in open play before half time don't count?
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A dangerous suggestion. The high octane thrills of the Dingwall Counting Centre may not be suitable for the very young, or viewers of a nervous disposition.DavidL said:Commentator promoting the highlights program later tonight. That's going to be a challenge so far.
Maybe they can switch to Dingwall instead.
Nobody could be excited by an England performance.2 -
Now having ample time to contemplate the empty podium with its three-adjective slogan along the best modern lines.0
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Possibly...solarflare said:
A protest in support of the Dingwall Counting Centre?pigeon said:
The disease is spreading, perhaps?DavidL said:
In fairness its not just England. 120 minutes of utter tedium last night.pigeon said:
Switzerland is smaller than England. Scoring goals against them just wouldn't be fair. This appears to be the prevailing line of thinking, anyway.DavidL said:Has there been some change in the rules which means goals in open play before half time don't count?
It is entirely possible that the final will never be completed, on account of the players declining to move at all.
A performance art event. Standing still for 90 minutes. No, lying prone and motionless on the pitch, as if dead. A commentary upon the horrors of war.
LECTERN ALERT!!!!
More updates as we get them.0 -
Dingwall Counting Centre latest: empty lectern and static noise coming through the live stream audio. A declaration could be just weeks away...1
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They have been known to invent nonexistent official Loyal Oppositions and Shadow Cabinets. Vide R. Davidson at Holyrood (where there is no such thing).Nigelb said:
Tories ought to be worrying about their own wanky shadow cabinet rather than other parties' efforts.rcs1000 said:
Give then their day in the sun. A few weeks ago their entire parliamentary party could fit in a couple of taxis.MarqueeMark said:Are the LibDems going to do one of those wanky Shadow Shadow Cabinets?
If it's anything like their actual cabinets, then a long period of reflection is in order.0 -
We have now discovered the Highland Council is, amongst other things, "high performing" and "engaging."Carnyx said:Now having ample time to contemplate the empty podium with its three-adjective slogan along the best modern lines.
Not based on current evidence, but we all make mistakes.0 -
Maybe they'll have to re-run the election.Carnyx said:
Apparently something more serious has gone wrong. How serious, I don't know, but something that should not have happened.Andy_JS said:The situation in Inverness is getting increasingly bizarre. How long do they need to count the votes?
One guess: a prankster arrived at the polling station with fake ballot papers in their pocket and managed to post them in the ballot box without anyone noticing.
On the 1987 election I think David Dimbleby mentioned that someone in a constituency like West Ham set their ballot paper on fire with a cigarette lighter and then attempted to post it in the ballot box in order to destroy other peoples' votes. I can't remember whether they were successful or not, probably not, since the election there wasn't invalidated.0 -
Likelihood of protest, legal action and by election increasing.........0
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What about moving the people out? Cf. Borough of WestminsterSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Pungent PB Pundit Punditry - NOTE that in proper, that is American, usage, "gerrymander" refers ONLY to manipulation of GEOGRAPHIC boundaries of legislative constituencies and to NONE of the ways you cite for suppressing voter turnout.pigeon said:
The Tories' big mistake was not changing polling station opening hours to 10am to 3pm (for the welfare of the staff, you understand: shorter working day, no counting all through the night,) and restricting postal ballots to the infirm (disabled, in hospital, ELDERLY.)Casino_Royale said:
I don't agree with it, but let them if it makes them feel better.londonpubman said:I'm absolutely opposed to extending the franchise to allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. They are children.
18 is the age of majority for a reason.
We tried rebalancing constituencies and introducing voter ID.
It made absolutely no difference in the end.
If you're going to gerrymander, make a proper job of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal1 -
Been watching the football, but I think watching the recount at Inverness would be more exciting.2
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Dingwall Counting Centre is no better. Latest score from Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire: 0-0-0-0-0-0-0.Foxy said:
Is it just my impression but isn't this generally a very low scoring competition?DavidL said:
In fairness its not just England. 120 minutes of utter tedium last night.pigeon said:
Switzerland is smaller than England. Scoring goals against them just wouldn't be fair. This appears to be the prevailing line of thinking, anyway.DavidL said:Has there been some change in the rules which means goals in open play before half time don't count?
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Compared to the hedge of the seat excitement of England games in the last fortnight?SandraMc said:
It's the Starmer effect - ever since Labour got in, football has become boring.pigeon said:
Switzerland is smaller than England. Scoring goals against them just wouldn't be fair. This appears to be the prevailing line of thinking, anyway.DavidL said:Has there been some change in the rules which means goals in open play before half time don't count?
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TBF, it's not necessarily their fault. Have to see.pigeon said:
We have now discovered the Highland Council is, amongst other things, "high performing" and "engaging."Carnyx said:Now having ample time to contemplate the empty podium with its three-adjective slogan along the best modern lines.
Not based on current evidence, but we all make mistakes.0 -
When Major stood down after 1997, he had an interim Shadow Cabinet while the process to elect Hague happened; basically the survivors from his last Cabinet doubled up to fill the gaps left by his landslide defeat.Nigelb said:
Tories ought to be worrying about their own wanky shadow cabinet rather than other parties' efforts.rcs1000 said:
Give then their day in the sun. A few weeks ago their entire parliamentary party could fit in a couple of taxis.MarqueeMark said:Are the LibDems going to do one of those wanky Shadow Shadow Cabinets?
If it's anything like their actual cabinets, then a long period of reflection is in order.
A sensible strategy for Sunak to follow? It would presumably really annoy Jenrick and Braverman, which is always a good thing.0 -
0-0 at half-time, at least England didn't concede!0
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Shouldn't Sunak just do the minimum possible reshuffle? Have the surviving cabinet ministers shadow their old posts and promote up a Minister of State if the old cabinet minister isn't there. Then whoever wins the leadership can organise a proper team. There seems no point for getting someone in post to learn a new brief only to be replaced in the autumn.1
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I am glad the SNP have lost in the West Highlands.pigeon said:Dingwall Counting Centre latest: empty lectern and static noise coming through the live stream audio. A declaration could be just weeks away...
I am a little disappointed though that it's Drew Hendry, of whom I know no particular ill, rather than that loathsome creep Ian Blackford on the receiving end.2 -
I want some of what these pundits are on. All my problems would simply vanish.
But should we have such blatant drug use on the national broadcaster? There may be pensioners watching.0 -
It's amazing, but be warned: you could wet yourself with excitement.Peter_the_Punter said:Been watching the football, but I think watching the recount at Inverness would be more exciting.
Make sure you're near a loo. Better still, wear Tena, so you don't have to get up and miss anything.0 -
Inverness declaration coming now1
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CANDIDATES!!!!!
More news as we get it.0 -
just how low you setting the bar, Robert?rcs1000 said:This isn't as bad as the last few England games.
You have some of the highest paid players in the world unable to take a decent corner.0 -
On topic SKS doesn't give a fuck what voters think not for another 4.5 years anyway.1
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My kitten is enjoying it.
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No, that's NOT a gerrymander in classic sense anyway.Carnyx said:
What about moving the people out? Cf. Borough of WestminsterSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Pungent PB Pundit Punditry - NOTE that in proper, that is American, usage, "gerrymander" refers ONLY to manipulation of GEOGRAPHIC boundaries of legislative constituencies and to NONE of the ways you cite for suppressing voter turnout.pigeon said:
The Tories' big mistake was not changing polling station opening hours to 10am to 3pm (for the welfare of the staff, you understand: shorter working day, no counting all through the night,) and restricting postal ballots to the infirm (disabled, in hospital, ELDERLY.)Casino_Royale said:
I don't agree with it, but let them if it makes them feel better.londonpubman said:I'm absolutely opposed to extending the franchise to allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. They are children.
18 is the age of majority for a reason.
We tried rebalancing constituencies and introducing voter ID.
It made absolutely no difference in the end.
If you're going to gerrymander, make a proper job of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal
Though dishonorable mention to Tories for creative innovation!4 -
Inverness declaration now0
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He does give a fuck. But not necessarily for those who voted for Corbyn in 2019 and didn't vote Labour this time.bigjohnowls said:On topic SKS doesn't give a fuck what voters think not for another 4.5 years anyway.
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Orange cat Klaxon!Nigelb said:
My kitten is enjoying it.1 -
sound was crap but the LibDem won.1
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Lib Dem victory confirmed.3
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Speech by winning Lib Dem incomprehensible due to poor audio.1
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They had about 15 hours to prepare for it and then I couldn't hear the figures because it sounded as if a baby was closer to the microphone than the person announcing the results.Daveyboy1961 said:sound was crap but the LibDem won.
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Dingwall Counting Centre:
LIB DEM GAIN!!!
Vote details lost amidst choking live stream. Thank you Highland Council/Mr Putin.
Thank God that's over. From Dingwall Counting Centre, good afternoon.2 -
So Blackford did turn up?Andy_JS said:
They had about 15 hours to prepare for it and then I couldn't hear the figures because it sounded as if a baby was closer to the microphone than the person announcing the results.Daveyboy1961 said:sound was crap but the LibDem won.
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No. Had previously said he would not due to previous "unchangeable" personal commitment (my guess is a wedding).ydoethur said:
So Blackford did turn up?Andy_JS said:
They had about 15 hours to prepare for it and then I couldn't hear the figures because it sounded as if a baby was closer to the microphone than the person announcing the results.Daveyboy1961 said:sound was crap but the LibDem won.
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Probably the best Tory result of the election (apart from Leicester East) was in Keighley & Ilkley. Tories held it by about 1,500 votes with a swing of 7%.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E140013080 -
Well, that plus him being a Lib Dem.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Speech by winning Lib Dem incomprehensible due to poor audio.
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Skye is blue.ydoethur said:
They shouldn't have tried all that blue Skye thinking.pigeon said:
The tension is building towards a crescendo at the Dingwall Counting Centre... Unfortunately the live stream is shite:Carnyx said:Adjudication at Inverness now!
Alas, no pics of the ballots, little drawings, etc.
"Due to the use if [sic] satellite technology, the stream may buffer, please be patient the stream will return"
One suspects that the satellite "technology" is of ex-Soviet vintage. On loan from Mr V Putin, Moscow.
But in the short intervals when the images are actually moving, it's gripping stuff. Rivals the England football team for entertainment and sheer flair.
Clouds are white
That's why God's a Wednesdayite
But is nothing to do with the delay in the declaration
Think it may need more work0 -
Can anyone post the result for those of us unfortunate enough not to have live stream?0
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Scottish Tories the fourth party of Scottish politics in seat terms for the first time since 20100
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The only problem with the end of the Dingwall Counting Centre art performance is that more of my attention will now be occupied by background noise from Dusseldorf. Oh, the painfulness of it all.0
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Bank error in your favour. Collect £200.
Well bookmaker error and only £20. Settled one of my constituency losers as a winner.3 -
Fixed that for youdixiedean said:Can anyone post the result for those of us unfortunate enough not to have live stream?
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Inverness percentages
LD 37.8 (+22.7) 18,159
SNP 33.3 (-15.4) 15,999
Lab 13.0 (+3.6) 6,246
Ref 6.1 (+4.1) 2,934
Con 5.2 (-18.1) 2,502
Grn 4.3 (+2.9) 2,058
Soc 0.4 178
maj. 2,160, turnout 61.7%3 -
The audio was dreadful, but I think the result was something like LD 18k, SNP 16k, others nowhere. Beyond that, we'll have to wait for someone to post it to a reputable web source.dixiedean said:Can anyone post the result for those of us unfortunate enough not to have live stream?
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@Andy_JS
I owe you an apology, Andy. The proceedings at Inverness were infinitely more exciting than the football. Can't wait to watch the highlights later.1 -
Not particularly close, why the recount?Sunil_Prasannan said:Inverness percentages
LD 37.8 (+22.7)
SNP 33.3 (-15.4)
Lab 13.0 (+3.6)
Ref 6.1 (+4.1)
Con 5.2 (-18.1)
Grn 4.3 (+2.9)
Soc 0.41 -
Something went wrong with the accounting for ballots (numbers of). Some appeared or disappeared mysteriously, or something.ManOfGwent said:
Not particularly close, why the recount?Sunil_Prasannan said:Inverness percentages
LD 37.8 (+22.7)
SNP 33.3 (-15.4)
Lab 13.0 (+3.6)
Ref 6.1 (+4.1)
Con 5.2 (-18.1)
Grn 4.3 (+2.9)
Soc 0.40 -
SKYAndy_JS said:
LD 18---dixiedean said:Can anyone post the result for those of us unfortunate enough not to have live stream?
SNP 15,999
That's all I heard. Waiting for the BBC to update.
https://election.news.sky.com/elections/general-election-2024/inverness-skye-and-west-ross-3350 -
Apparently the votes cast didn't tally with the final vote count, suggesting several bundles had been overlooked somewhere.ManOfGwent said:
Not particularly close, why the recount?Sunil_Prasannan said:Inverness percentages
LD 37.8 (+22.7)
SNP 33.3 (-15.4)
Lab 13.0 (+3.6)
Ref 6.1 (+4.1)
Con 5.2 (-18.1)
Grn 4.3 (+2.9)
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I thought last night they said that there was a discrepency between the vote returns and the number of ballot papers?ManOfGwent said:
Not particularly close, why the recount?Sunil_Prasannan said:Inverness percentages
LD 37.8 (+22.7)
SNP 33.3 (-15.4)
Lab 13.0 (+3.6)
Ref 6.1 (+4.1)
Con 5.2 (-18.1)
Grn 4.3 (+2.9)
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Testifying to the amazing prescience of former SNP Big Fish Nicola Sturgeon.No_Offence_Alan said:
The SNP can now fit in a campervan.rcs1000 said:
Give then their day in the sun. A few weeks ago their entire parliamentary party could fit in a couple of taxis.MarqueeMark said:Are the LibDems going to do one of those wanky Shadow Shadow Cabinets?
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She'll need to up her game. She was very vin ordinaire during the later stages of the campaign.MarqueeMark said:
Coutinho could shred Reeves.boulay said:
Claire Coutinho as Shadow Chancellor I think/hope/guess. Hunt Chairman.Foxy said:
Could be interesting to see who gets a more prominent platform as a result. Might be some new faces from the usual suspects.Casino_Royale said:Looking forward to Sunak's cabinet reshuffle on Monday following some disappointing results on Thursday.
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West London generally especially around Harrow was less disastrous and Darlington, Redcar and Midds South and Cleve East were better than average results. Darlington was the closest they came to a red wall hold where Reform stoodAndy_JS said:Probably the best Tory result of the election (apart from Leicester East) was in Keighley & Ilkley. Tories held it by about 1,500 votes with a swing of 7%.
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https://election.news.sky.com/elections/general-election-2024/inverness-skye-and-west-ross-335pigeon said:
The audio was dreadful, but I think the result was something like LD 18k, SNP 16k, others nowhere. Beyond that, we'll have to wait for someone to post it to a reputable web source.dixiedean said:Can anyone post the result for those of us unfortunate enough not to have live stream?
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Well done Sky, putting the Beeb to shame.Sunil_Prasannan said:
SKYAndy_JS said:
LD 18---dixiedean said:Can anyone post the result for those of us unfortunate enough not to have live stream?
SNP 15,999
That's all I heard. Waiting for the BBC to update.
https://election.news.sky.com/elections/general-election-2024/inverness-skye-and-west-ross-335
Look out for the woman folding the black sheet thingy about twenty minutes before the declaration. Very artful.Peter_the_Punter said:@Andy_JS
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The panic about Reform is just really entertaining. They just seem to drive people completely mad.WildernessPt2 said:
My local school (friend is a teacher there) did an election which included pupils and staff. Reform got the most votes and Labour second. Some of the teachers there are mortified.mwadams said:
I think it is even more complicated than that. Who knows what range of views young people will have in 5 years time? What will be the "consensus" views and what the outliers, and whether any or all of those will overlap with existing political blocs?darkage said:
In a lot of ways the left are now the establishment, at least in terms of culture - to a historically unprecedented degree, so the 'young vote' could react against that.mwadams said:
Many years ago, my other half wrote a paper for a Tory think-tank on the problem with generalising from "many young people" to "all young people" and the foolishness of abandoning "the youth vote" on that basis.darkage said:
I suspect this is based on outdated ideas about the young always being left wing.Casino_Royale said:
I don't agree with it, but let them if it makes them feel better.londonpubman said:I'm absolutely opposed to extending the franchise to allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. They are children.
18 is the age of majority for a reason.
We tried rebalancing constituencies and introducing voter ID.
It made absolutely no difference in the end.
Now is a great time for the Conservatives to do their periodic chameleon thing and emerge as a party with the practical politics that inspire and shape the next generation, while Labour have to deal with the messy business of being in government.
ETA: for the avoidance of doubt, I do not see who is going to kick that process off. But I live in hope.
It gives me hope for the future, that no mater what indoctrination they've had in their schooling, when given the opportunity they've stuck two fingers up. Nothing more British than that.3 -
Per SKY:
Inverness percentages and votes
LD 37.8 (+22.7) 18,159
SNP 33.3 (-15.4) 15,999
Lab 13.0 (+3.6) 6,246
Ref 6.1 (+4.1) 2,934
Con 5.2 (-18.1) 2,502
Grn 4.3 (+2.9) 2,058
Soc 0.4 (+0.4) 178
maj. 2,160, turnout 61.7%
https://election.news.sky.com/elections/general-election-2024/inverness-skye-and-west-ross-335
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That ship has, alas, likely sailed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Pungent PB Pundit Punditry - NOTE that in proper, that is American, usage, "gerrymander" refers ONLY to manipulation of GEOGRAPHIC boundaries of legislative constituencies and to NONE of the ways you cite for suppressing voter turnout.pigeon said:
The Tories' big mistake was not changing polling station opening hours to 10am to 3pm (for the welfare of the staff, you understand: shorter working day, no counting all through the night,) and restricting postal ballots to the infirm (disabled, in hospital, ELDERLY.)Casino_Royale said:
I don't agree with it, but let them if it makes them feel better.londonpubman said:I'm absolutely opposed to extending the franchise to allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. They are children.
18 is the age of majority for a reason.
We tried rebalancing constituencies and introducing voter ID.
It made absolutely no difference in the end.
If you're going to gerrymander, make a proper job of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
It's still not as misused a term as 'FPTP' though...1 -
LD 18159
SNP 15999
Lab 6246
Ref 2934
Con 2502
Grn 2038
Soc Equ 178
LD maj 2160
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/S14000094
So the final Lab score is 9,704,655 according to the BBC.
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You hope. The ming jar strategy could carry on into government and make him ultra cautious.bigjohnowls said:On topic SKS doesn't give a fuck what voters think not for another 4.5 years anyway.
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