If it’s not hurting then it’s not working – politicalbetting.com

System · June 29

If it’s not hurting then it’s not working – politicalbetting.com

Exclusive: The Tories' warning of a Labour "supermajority" has backfired, a new poll has revealed.26% of voters say it makes them more likely to vote for Keir Starmer's party, compared to just 13% who will now back the Conservatives.https://t.co/o7tMqlSGze

Read the full story here

Tweedledee · June 29

First after stewards enquiry

AramintaMoonbeamQC · June 29

That Savanta poll for the Telegraph would suggest a lot of tactical voting, no wonder the Tories in the leafy shires are bricking it.

GIN1138 · June 29

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
That Savanta poll for the Telegraph would suggest a lot of tactical voting, no wonder the Tories in the leafy shires are bricking it.

Guess the Lib-Dems are forgiven from the left for the Coalition...

ydoethur · June 29

GIN1138 said:

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
That Savanta poll for the Telegraph would suggest a lot of tactical voting, no wonder the Tories in the leafy shires are bricking it.
Guess the Lib-Dems are forgiven from the left for the Coalition...

Perhaps nine years of unadulterated Toryism has led to a reappraisal of their importance?

Nigelb · June 29

Wow.

Trump: All they know is electric. They want electric planes. What happens if the sun isn't shining while you're up in the air?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806786821311082854

dixiedean · June 29

Since we've heard for years of the dangers of a "coalition of chaos", and the undoubted necessity of a majority government, then this should come as no surprise.
Even better if it's a super one.

wooliedyed · June 29

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
That Savanta poll for the Telegraph would suggest a lot of tactical voting, no wonder the Tories in the leafy shires are bricking it.

It suggests Labour peeling off to Green and Indy as much as LD tacticals which is only +1

ydoethur · June 29

Nigelb said:
Wow.

Trump: All they know is electric. They want electric planes. What happens if the sun isn't shining while you're up in the air?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806786821311082854

The pilot asks Trump to drop his trousers so it will shine again?

AramintaMoonbeamQC · June 29

I'm reassessing my Portillo moment- Gillian Keegan getting booted out in Chichester might be more entertaining than Liz Truss losing.

Nah, I still want to see Truss get ousted.

ydoethur · June 29

Nigelb said:
Wow.

Trump: All they know is electric. They want electric planes. What happens if the sun isn't shining while you're up in the air?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806786821311082854

In all seriousness, does @Leon still think Trump is not senile as he recites mindless guff like this?

In 2016 he was coherent if not pleasant.

solarflare · June 29

Nigelb said:
Wow.

Trump: All they know is electric. They want electric planes. What happens if the sun isn't shining while you're up in the air?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806786821311082854

Also, the Hoover Dam is too heavy to fly.

Andy_JS · June 29

O/T

Just noticed that although the Tories aren't standing in Rotherham, the Yorkshire Party is. So I wonder whether the latter might get an usually large number of votes as a result, although I don't know where they stand on the left/right axis.

https://election.pressassociation.com/general-election/general-election-2024/

Scott_xP · June 29

@OpiniumResearch

🚨 New polling with
@ObserverUK

Labour continue to lead by 20
· Labour 40% (n/c)
· Conservatives 20% (n/c)
· Reform 17% (+1)
· Lib Dems 13% (n/c)
· Greens 6% (-3)
· SNP 3% (n/c)
Fieldwork: 26 - 28 June. Changes from 19 - 21 June.

https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1807127231413518407

MarqueeMark · June 29

Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.

TheScreamingEagles · June 29

Switzerland vs Italy highlights

https://x.com/TrollFootball/status/1807110878438760907

Sunil_Prasannan · June 29

Scott_xP said:
@OpiniumResearch

🚨 New polling with
@ObserverUK

Labour continue to lead by 20
· Labour 40% (n/c)
· Conservatives 20% (n/c)
· Reform 17% (+1)
· Lib Dems 13% (n/c)
· Greens 6% (-3)
· SNP 3% (n/c)
Fieldwork: 26 - 28 June. Changes from 19 - 21 June.

https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1807127231413518407

Broken, sleazy Greens on the slide

Theuniondivvie · June 29

English football commentators, dontcha just love ‘em.

Towards end of Switzerland-Italy match: Italy will need an Italian job
Start of Germany-Denmark: Germany will need some Vorsprung durch Technik

It’s like Ed Murrow took up sports commentary.

MarqueeMark · June 29

solarflare said:

Nigelb said:
Wow.

Trump: All they know is electric. They want electric planes. What happens if the sun isn't shining while you're up in the air?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806786821311082854
Also, the Hoover Dam is too heavy to fly.

But how good is it at sucking?

ydoethur · June 29

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I'm reassessing my Portillo moment- Gillian Keegan getting booted out in Chichester might be more entertaining than Liz Truss losing.

Nah, I still want to see Truss get ousted.

Be greedy. Ask for both.

If I'm honest I think Keegan was rather lumbered with Education. She inherited a department full of rather stupid and ignorant but also extremely arrogant people, a junior minister who had been there for years and whose every policy had been an utter fiasco, a series of non-ministerial departments which had no idea what they were doing and had left us without functioning exams or inspection systems, a series of major scandals including a number of schools literally falling down, and a government that didn't seem to grasp why things were not working.

But...she hasn't really helped herself, that said.

Pulpstar · June 29

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
That Savanta poll for the Telegraph would suggest a lot of tactical voting, no wonder the Tories in the leafy shires are bricking it.

Reform

Andy_JS said:
O/T

Just noticed that although the Tories aren't standing in Rotherham, the Yorkshire Party is. So I wonder whether the latter might get an usually large number of votes as a result, although I don't know where they stand on the left/right axis.

https://election.pressassociation.com/general-election/general-election-2024/

Reform will pick up a good chunk I think. Labour will be miles ahead though

Chris · June 29

It's an interesting question whether the median life expectancy of Tory voters is greater or lesser than the median life expectancy of the Tory party.

ydoethur · June 29

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.

That's roughly what Labour thought in 2010.

Remind me how that turned out.

AramintaMoonbeamQC · June 29

ydoethur said:

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I'm reassessing my Portillo moment- Gillian Keegan getting booted out in Chichester might be more entertaining than Liz Truss losing.

Nah, I still want to see Truss get ousted.
Be greedy. Ask for both.

If I'm honest I think Keegan was rather lumbered with Education. She inherited a department full of rather stupid and ignorant but also extremely arrogant people, a junior minister who had been there for years and whose every policy had been an utter fiasco, a series of non-ministerial departments which had no idea what they were doing and had left us without functioning exams or inspection systems, a series of major scandals including a number of schools literally falling down, and a government that didn't seem to grasp why things were not working.

But...she hasn't really helped herself, that said.

You mean she didn't do a f*cking good job???

ydoethur · June 29

MarqueeMark said:

solarflare said:

Nigelb said:
Wow.

Trump: All they know is electric. They want electric planes. What happens if the sun isn't shining while you're up in the air?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806786821311082854
Also, the Hoover Dam is too heavy to fly.
But how good is it at sucking?

Does it suck as much as

(A) Trump
(B ) Stormy Daniels when not being paid by Trump?

pigeon · June 29

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.

Let's hope not. I'm worried that the next iteration of the Tory Party will be modelled on Reform and we don't want what's left of the Conservative brand being hijacked to give them a shot at real power. Such an entity needs to be crushed so that we can move on to a non-toxic opposition, whether that's called the Conservative Party or something else.

Chris · June 29

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.

And if that doesn't work you can always fantasise about what might happen in 2034.

ydoethur · June 29

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

ydoethur said:

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I'm reassessing my Portillo moment- Gillian Keegan getting booted out in Chichester might be more entertaining than Liz Truss losing.

Nah, I still want to see Truss get ousted.
Be greedy. Ask for both.

If I'm honest I think Keegan was rather lumbered with Education. She inherited a department full of rather stupid and ignorant but also extremely arrogant people, a junior minister who had been there for years and whose every policy had been an utter fiasco, a series of non-ministerial departments which had no idea what they were doing and had left us without functioning exams or inspection systems, a series of major scandals including a number of schools literally falling down, and a government that didn't seem to grasp why things were not working.

But...she hasn't really helped herself, that said.
You mean she didn't do a f*cking good job???

Speaking of fucking up a job, what's that idiot Amanda Spielman doing these days?

Fairliered · June 29

If you want to live longer, vote Labour, Lib Dem or Green. If you want to die early, vote Reform.

JosiasJessop · June 29

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.

But that might be counteracted if the Conservatives swing towards the Faragist right, repelling voters even more.

CatMan · June 29

Theuniondivvie said:
English football commentators, dontcha just love ‘em.

Towards end of Switzerland-Italy match: Italy will need an Italian job
Start of Germany-Denmark: Germany will need some Vorsprung durch Technik

It’s like Ed Murrow took up sports commentary.

Meh, one of the Indian commentators in the T20 final today said "He's literally making the ball talk", which I thought was quite an achievement.

ydoethur · June 29

Fairliered said:
If you want to live longer, vote Labour, Lib Dem or Green. If you want to die early, vote Reform.

Put that way, it sounds as though you have Ze Master Plans for Ze Reform Woters.

AramintaMoonbeamQC · June 29

ydoethur said:

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

ydoethur said:

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I'm reassessing my Portillo moment- Gillian Keegan getting booted out in Chichester might be more entertaining than Liz Truss losing.

Nah, I still want to see Truss get ousted.
Be greedy. Ask for both.

If I'm honest I think Keegan was rather lumbered with Education. She inherited a department full of rather stupid and ignorant but also extremely arrogant people, a junior minister who had been there for years and whose every policy had been an utter fiasco, a series of non-ministerial departments which had no idea what they were doing and had left us without functioning exams or inspection systems, a series of major scandals including a number of schools literally falling down, and a government that didn't seem to grasp why things were not working.

But...she hasn't really helped herself, that said.
You mean she didn't do a f*cking good job???
Speaking of fucking up a job, what's that idiot Amanda Spielman doing these days?

Probably on to another well paid gig that she is spectacularly unqualified for, and ill-suited to.

ydoethur · June 29

CatMan said:

Theuniondivvie said:
English football commentators, dontcha just love ‘em.

Towards end of Switzerland-Italy match: Italy will need an Italian job
Start of Germany-Denmark: Germany will need some Vorsprung durch Technik

It’s like Ed Murrow took up sports commentary.
Meh, one of the Indian commentators in the T20 final today said "He's literally making the ball talk", which I thought was quite an achievement.

Did it talk balls? Or just call the shots?

paulyork64 · June 29

I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.

Theuniondivvie · June 29

CatMan said:

Theuniondivvie said:
English football commentators, dontcha just love ‘em.

Towards end of Switzerland-Italy match: Italy will need an Italian job
Start of Germany-Denmark: Germany will need some Vorsprung durch Technik

It’s like Ed Murrow took up sports commentary.
Meh, one of the Indian commentators in the T20 final today said "He's literally making the ball talk", which I thought was quite an achievement.

Talking balls is certainly a recurring theme.

Chris · June 29

solarflare said:

Nigelb said:
Wow.

Trump: All they know is electric. They want electric planes. What happens if the sun isn't shining while you're up in the air?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806786821311082854
Also, the Hoover Dam is too heavy to fly.

You do get the idea that while Biden struggles to remember things about the real world, Trump has a rock solid grasp of his fantasy world.

ydoethur · June 29

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.

Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'

TheScreamingEagles · June 29

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'

Lord Palmerston.

ydoethur · June 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'
Lord Palmerston.

I knew it was some random imperialist.

Dura_Ace · June 29

pigeon said:

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.
Let's hope not. I'm worried that the next iteration of the Tory Party will be modelled on Reform and we don't want what's left of the Conservative brand being hijacked to give them a shot at real power. Such an entity needs to be crushed so that we can move on to a non-toxic opposition, whether that's called the Conservative Party or something else.

I am sure that the lessons the tories will take from their imminent defeat is that they need to be a more competent and better funded iteration of Reform. They will attempt rebuild a political movement around 63 year old fat white men called Barry who smoke while driving their Peugeot Partners and post pictures of their Alsatians on FB.

paulyork64 · June 29

Andy_JS said:
O/T

Just noticed that although the Tories aren't standing in Rotherham, the Yorkshire Party is. So I wonder whether the latter might get an usually large number of votes as a result, although I don't know where they stand on the left/right axis.

https://election.pressassociation.com/general-election/general-election-2024/

It's a left/reet axis here.

Benpointer · June 29

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.

Rain stops play.

ydoethur · June 29

Dura_Ace said:

pigeon said:

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.
Let's hope not. I'm worried that the next iteration of the Tory Party will be modelled on Reform and we don't want what's left of the Conservative brand being hijacked to give them a shot at real power. Such an entity needs to be crushed so that we can move on to a non-toxic opposition, whether that's called the Conservative Party or something else.
I am sure that the lessons the tories will take from their imminent defeat is that they need to be a more competent and better funded iteration of Reform. They will attempt rebuild a political movement around 63 year old fat white men called Barry who smoke while driving their Peugeot Partners and post pictures of their Alsatians on FB.

Evening DA, hope you've recovered from the rigours of your trip to the East.

Can imagine it must have been painful, driving a Volkswagen.

Theuniondivvie · June 29

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'

Palmerston?

ohnotnow · June 29

Fairliered said:
If you want to live longer, vote Labour, Lib Dem or Green. If you want to die early, vote Reform.

Or just be Scottish and save the effort of voting.

MJW · June 29

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'

Lord Palmerston, no?

Andy_JS · June 29

What the eff is happening in the Germany/Denmark match?

TheScreamingEagles · June 29

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'
Lord Palmerston.
I knew it was some random imperialist.

He was the greatest Foreign Secretary this country has ever had until Dave got the job.

GIN1138 · June 29

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.

Wonder how long it will take them to run out of money this time? Can they keep the show on the road for two terms?😂

ydoethur · June 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'
Lord Palmerston.
I knew it was some random imperialist.
He was the greatest Foreign Secretary this country has ever had until Dave got the job.

Should have known you'd like a man who invaded and humiliated France.

Oh, sorry, you meant Palmerston?

MarqueeMark · June 29

Now a lot of hail in the Germany game.

There is an obvious gag I refuse to make....

AramintaMoonbeamQC · June 29

Andy_JS said:
What the eff is happening in the Germany/Denmark match?

Big storm, pretty biblical.

Chris · June 29

Dura_Ace said:
... Alsatians ...

That takes me back.

solarflare · June 29

Andy_JS said:
What the eff is happening in the Germany/Denmark match?

Thunder, lightning, hail, rain, locusts, boils, plague.

MarqueeMark · June 29

GIN1138 said:

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.
Wonder how long it will take them to run out of money this time? Can they keep the show on the road for two terms?😂

Labour never runs out of other people's money....

pigeon · June 29

Dura_Ace said:

pigeon said:

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.
Let's hope not. I'm worried that the next iteration of the Tory Party will be modelled on Reform and we don't want what's left of the Conservative brand being hijacked to give them a shot at real power. Such an entity needs to be crushed so that we can move on to a non-toxic opposition, whether that's called the Conservative Party or something else.
I am sure that the lessons the tories will take from their imminent defeat is that they need to be a more competent and better funded iteration of Reform. They will attempt rebuild a political movement around 63 year old fat white men called Barry who smoke while driving their Peugeot Partners and post pictures of their Alsatians on FB.

Pretty much. The problem is that, if the Fat Barry Party can convince the grey vote that Labour is a threat to their triple locked pensions and/or the value of their stupidly overpriced houses, they'll all stampede immediately over to it. This is far from a negligible prospect.

Scott_xP · June 29

Andy_JS said:
What the eff is happening in the Germany/Denmark match?

Richi Sunak is about to make a speech

Leon · June 29

Is it the Endtimes or what?

Casino_Royale · June 29

Very much doubt it's backfired.

This is one thing I've noticed that's cut through.

MarqueeMark · June 29

Scott_xP said:

Andy_JS said:
What the eff is happening in the Germany/Denmark match?
Richi Sunak is about to make a speech

Calling off the election?

Sunil_Prasannan · June 29

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'

Solved in 1920...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Schleswig_plebiscites

Andy_JS · June 29

Diana Coad, who has stood for Slough 3 times before, twice as a Tory and once as UKIP, is standing there again as an indy.

Casino_Royale · June 29

Fairliered said:
If you want to live longer, vote Labour, Lib Dem or Green. If you want to die early, vote Reform.

Voting Conservative will give your wife bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW.

paulyork64 · June 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'
Lord Palmerston.
I knew it was some random imperialist.
He was the greatest Foreign Secretary this country has ever had until Dave got the job.

He certainly left some impressive follies.

Casino_Royale · June 29

Chris said:

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.
And if that doesn't work you can always fantasise about what might happen in 2034.

We'll be on you from Day One mate.

Prepare yourselves.

pigeon · June 29

Andy_JS said:
What the eff is happening in the Germany/Denmark match?

An astonishing storm. But this ain't cricket, so the match will be completed eventually, as opposed to India being declared the winners.

Leon · June 29

ydoethur said:

Nigelb said:
Wow.

Trump: All they know is electric. They want electric planes. What happens if the sun isn't shining while you're up in the air?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806786821311082854
In all seriousness, does @Leon still think Trump is not senile as he recites mindless guff like this?

In 2016 he was coherent if not pleasant.

I’m no Trumpite so please shut the fuck up with this shit

And in this statement Trump is referring to solar power - creating electricity. It’s not insane - is it clumsy telescoping of concepts? Perhaps

But he’s not a corpse in a headlight like Biden

Foxy · June 29

Assuming that the results work out as projected I would expect all parties to be transformed by the GE.

Lab: will have half or more of there MPs from areas currently SNP or Con, making them simultaneously the largest party in Scotland and England. They will want to hold onto as many of these shire and suburban seats as possible, so the swing in the PLP will be heavily to Starmerite centrism. There will be a lot of fresh talent to assimilate, and probably a few unexpected O'Meara's.

LD: will be back as the 3rd party and potentially the official opposition. They too will have to assimilate a lot of new faces and talent. I don't think they will oppose Labour from either right or left, but rather with a critical appraisal of legislation that is too top down and neglectful of rural Britain. Ed Davey will be secure for 5 years.

Con: likely to go into a brutal post mortem followed by infighting over direction and appoint someone unable to modernise the party into an electable force. A decade or longer in the wilderness beckons.

Reform: likely to have its first MPs, but only a handful with those dogged by unsavory past comments. Farage will be bored by Parliament very quickly, and spend most of his time propping up the bar, with little time in either Commons or Clacton. Will remain a thorn in the side of the Tories.

SNP: back to where they were in 2014 in MP numbers. Looking nervous about losing Holyrood to Labour in the next Scottish GE.

Greens, will become the home of the Corbynite left, with increasing support as the only real left wing opponents of centrist economics.

Pulpstar · June 29

Operation wetuburung

kamski · June 29

pigeon said:

Andy_JS said:
What the eff is happening in the Germany/Denmark match?
An astonishing storm. But this ain't cricket, so the match will be completed eventually, as opposed to India being declared the winners.

God was probably aiming at the AfD congress in Essen

Casino_Royale · June 29

Dura_Ace said:

pigeon said:

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.
Let's hope not. I'm worried that the next iteration of the Tory Party will be modelled on Reform and we don't want what's left of the Conservative brand being hijacked to give them a shot at real power. Such an entity needs to be crushed so that we can move on to a non-toxic opposition, whether that's called the Conservative Party or something else.
I am sure that the lessons the tories will take from their imminent defeat is that they need to be a more competent and better funded iteration of Reform. They will attempt rebuild a political movement around 63 year old fat white men called Barry who smoke while driving their Peugeot Partners and post pictures of their Alsatians on FB.

Thing is, we actually have a 63 year old white man called Ian who drives about posting pictures of his dog on PB. And he's a LD.

Oh, yeah.. see your point.

rottenborough · June 29

David Axelrod
@davidaxelrod

Reality check:
@JoeBiden is the nominee of the Democratic Party, nominated by voters in primaries across the country. Unless the
@POTUS, himself, decides to quit--which he won't--that issue is settled.
The discussion that is going on now was timely a year ago, when few wanted to have it.
It's largely irrelevant today.

====

So Trump 2.0 is nailed on.

Casino_Royale · June 29

rottenborough said:

David Axelrod
@davidaxelrod

Reality check:
@JoeBiden is the nominee of the Democratic Party, nominated by voters in primaries across the country. Unless the
@POTUS, himself, decides to quit--which he won't--that issue is settled.
The discussion that is going on now was timely a year ago, when few wanted to have it.
It's largely irrelevant today.

====

So Trump 2.0 is nailed on.

It also means he's cracking value for the Nom, though.

ydoethur · June 29

Leon said:

ydoethur said:

Nigelb said:
Wow.

Trump: All they know is electric. They want electric planes. What happens if the sun isn't shining while you're up in the air?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806786821311082854
In all seriousness, does @Leon still think Trump is not senile as he recites mindless guff like this?

In 2016 he was coherent if not pleasant.
I’m no Trumpite so please shut the fuck up with this shit

Shouldn't you be telling him that?

another_richard · June 29

Casino_Royale said:

Dura_Ace said:

pigeon said:

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.
Let's hope not. I'm worried that the next iteration of the Tory Party will be modelled on Reform and we don't want what's left of the Conservative brand being hijacked to give them a shot at real power. Such an entity needs to be crushed so that we can move on to a non-toxic opposition, whether that's called the Conservative Party or something else.
I am sure that the lessons the tories will take from their imminent defeat is that they need to be a more competent and better funded iteration of Reform. They will attempt rebuild a political movement around 63 year old fat white men called Barry who smoke while driving their Peugeot Partners and post pictures of their Alsatians on FB.
Thing is, we actually have a 63 year old white man called Ian who drives about posting pictures of his dog on PB. And he's a LD.

Oh, yeah.. see your point.

IanB's dog is great - he always looks so happily exhausted.

Andy_JS · June 29

rottenborough said:

David Axelrod
@davidaxelrod

Reality check:
@JoeBiden is the nominee of the Democratic Party, nominated by voters in primaries across the country. Unless the
@POTUS, himself, decides to quit--which he won't--that issue is settled.
The discussion that is going on now was timely a year ago, when few wanted to have it.
It's largely irrelevant today.

====

So Trump 2.0 is nailed on.

This is where American stubbornness isn't a strength.

SandyRentool · June 29

VOODOO POLL ALERT!

Here is what Rail Forum posters think of the Tories' chances:

View results: How many seats with the Tories win?
0-50
Votes: 3 2.6%
50-75
Votes: 12 10.4%
75-100
Votes: 33 28.7%
100-125
Votes: 33 28.7%
125-150
Votes: 23 20.0%
150-200
Votes: 11 9.6%
Over 200
Votes: 0 0.0%
Total voters 115

Casino_Royale · June 29

Leon said:
Is it the Endtimes or what?

Nah. Fight everyone like a cornered dog.

Then get pissed.

All good.

ydoethur · June 29

SandyRentool said:
VOODOO POLL ALERT!

Here is what Rail Forum posters think of the Tories' chances:

View results: How many seats with the Tories win?
0-50
Votes: 3 2.6%
50-75
Votes: 12 10.4%
75-100
Votes: 33 28.7%
100-125
Votes: 33 28.7%
125-150
Votes: 23 20.0%
150-200
Votes: 11 9.6%
Over 200
Votes: 0 0.0%
Total voters 115

Is that what Sunil's fellow chemists would call a train reaction?

Andy_JS · June 29

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.

What's the Danish for Götterdämmerung?

Sunil_Prasannan · June 29

Casino_Royale said:

Fairliered said:
If you want to live longer, vote Labour, Lib Dem or Green. If you want to die early, vote Reform.
Voting Conservative will give your wife bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW.

BMW M3!

SandyRentool · June 29

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
@OpiniumResearch

🚨 New polling with
@ObserverUK

Labour continue to lead by 20
· Labour 40% (n/c)
· Conservatives 20% (n/c)
· Reform 17% (+1)
· Lib Dems 13% (n/c)
· Greens 6% (-3)
· SNP 3% (n/c)
Fieldwork: 26 - 28 June. Changes from 19 - 21 June.

https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1807127231413518407
Broken, sleazy Greens on the slide

Hamas fans please explain.

Tweedledee · June 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'
Lord Palmerston.
I knew it was some random imperialist.
He was the greatest Foreign Secretary this country has ever had until Dave got the job.

Bloody hell

You look at Angelagate. Then you look at Mone and Greensill. What's that, 6 OOM different? And the difference is male sex, shiny forehead, Eton.

I am cleverer than Cameron and posher and went to an older and more expensive school than he did, but I am done.. This country needs its Bastille storming asap.

Dura_Ace · June 29

ydoethur said:

Dura_Ace said:

pigeon said:

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.
Let's hope not. I'm worried that the next iteration of the Tory Party will be modelled on Reform and we don't want what's left of the Conservative brand being hijacked to give them a shot at real power. Such an entity needs to be crushed so that we can move on to a non-toxic opposition, whether that's called the Conservative Party or something else.
I am sure that the lessons the tories will take from their imminent defeat is that they need to be a more competent and better funded iteration of Reform. They will attempt rebuild a political movement around 63 year old fat white men called Barry who smoke while driving their Peugeot Partners and post pictures of their Alsatians on FB.
Evening DA, hope you've recovered from the rigours of your trip to the East.

Can imagine it must have been painful, driving a Volkswagen.

It was a bit tiring but otherwise fine. If I had to do it again, I'd fly to Gomel via Moscow and enter from Belarus for a much shorter drive. Until I went there I hadn't realised how much normal cross border traffic between Ukraine and Belarus (and Russia) is still going on as if nothing were happening. The SMO is not evenly distributed; there are scenes of full fat mechanised slaughter going on and then 100km further along the borders civvies are driving back and forward with no fucks given by anyone on either side.

The Mk3 TDI is a great long distance car because, given a plentiful supply of piss jugs and salted cashews, I only needed to stop every 900km for fuel. I selected it carefully because I knew of the immense range of that 1.9 TDI from driving a B5 Passat. I have been somewhat of a VW scene kid since I was a teenager and am still dailying a Mk7 Clubsport that was a Copart write off.

Benpointer · June 29

Casino_Royale said:
Very much doubt it's backfired.

This is one thing I've noticed that's cut through.

Lol. Your antennae are rather suspect pal.

Anyone remember the 'meat tax'? No?

@Casino_Royale
This has definitely cut through.
It was all anyone was talking about at work today.

Or how about Sunak's retreat from D-Day:

@Casino_Royale
Absolutely no-one cares about this and it will have zero impact on the campaign or the GE result.

Sunil_Prasannan · June 29

ydoethur said:

SandyRentool said:
VOODOO POLL ALERT!

Here is what Rail Forum posters think of the Tories' chances:

View results: How many seats with the Tories win?
0-50
Votes: 3 2.6%
50-75
Votes: 12 10.4%
75-100
Votes: 33 28.7%
100-125
Votes: 33 28.7%
125-150
Votes: 23 20.0%
150-200
Votes: 11 9.6%
Over 200
Votes: 0 0.0%
Total voters 115
Is that what Sunil's fellow chemists would call a train reaction?

Disclaimer - I left Warwick nearly 6 years ago

paulyork64 · June 29

SandyRentool said:
VOODOO POLL ALERT!

Here is what Rail Forum posters think of the Tories' chances:

View results: How many seats with the Tories win?
0-50
Votes: 3 2.6%
50-75
Votes: 12 10.4%
75-100
Votes: 33 28.7%
100-125
Votes: 33 28.7%
125-150
Votes: 23 20.0%
150-200
Votes: 11 9.6%
Over 200
Votes: 0 0.0%
Total voters 115

Choo choo voodoo poll.

Scott_xP · June 29

@kateferguson4

EXCL: The ex Reform activist who made a racist slur about Rishi Sunak in another hate storm.

He posted TikTok video hailing Nigel Farage's decision to stand & slamming "Third World filth".

Reform says the man is an actor and they were part of a set up

https://x.com/kateferguson4/status/1807141685895594330

Pulpstar · June 29

SandyRentool said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Scott_xP said:
@OpiniumResearch

🚨 New polling with
@ObserverUK

Labour continue to lead by 20
· Labour 40% (n/c)
· Conservatives 20% (n/c)
· Reform 17% (+1)
· Lib Dems 13% (n/c)
· Greens 6% (-3)
· SNP 3% (n/c)
Fieldwork: 26 - 28 June. Changes from 19 - 21 June.

https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1807127231413518407
Broken, sleazy Greens on the slide
Hamas fans please explain.

Obviously 11% of Green voters have decided to go over to Nigel's lot, it's the logical explanation

Andy_JS · June 29

I see that Solhull MP until a few weeks ago, Julian Knight, is standing as an indy. Funny if the Tories lose what used to be one of their safest seats in the country by say 250 votes, and Knight gets 500.

ydoethur · June 29

Sunil_Prasannan said:

ydoethur said:

SandyRentool said:
VOODOO POLL ALERT!

Here is what Rail Forum posters think of the Tories' chances:

View results: How many seats with the Tories win?
0-50
Votes: 3 2.6%
50-75
Votes: 12 10.4%
75-100
Votes: 33 28.7%
100-125
Votes: 33 28.7%
125-150
Votes: 23 20.0%
150-200
Votes: 11 9.6%
Over 200
Votes: 0 0.0%
Total voters 115
Is that what Sunil's fellow chemists would call a train reaction?
Disclaimer - I left Warwick nearly 6 years ago

The delays on the WCML really are something, aren't they?

Carnyx · June 29

Andy_JS said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
What's the Danish for Götterdämmerung?

And which bit of the pitch is called the Danevirke?

highwayparadise306 · June 29

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Casino_Royale said:

Fairliered said:
If you want to live longer, vote Labour, Lib Dem or Green. If you want to die early, vote Reform.
Voting Conservative will give your wife bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW.
BMW M3!

Goons car. Aggressive lot. Nurburgring best place for it rolled over in the woods.

Leon · June 29

Dura_Ace said:

pigeon said:

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.
Let's hope not. I'm worried that the next iteration of the Tory Party will be modelled on Reform and we don't want what's left of the Conservative brand being hijacked to give them a shot at real power. Such an entity needs to be crushed so that we can move on to a non-toxic opposition, whether that's called the Conservative Party or something else.
I am sure that the lessons the tories will take from their imminent defeat is that they need to be a more competent and better funded iteration of Reform. They will attempt rebuild a political movement around 63 year old fat white men called Barry who smoke while driving their Peugeot Partners and post pictures of their Alsatians on FB.

You really have no idea what is happening with Gen Z

Dura_Ace · June 29

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Casino_Royale said:

Fairliered said:
If you want to live longer, vote Labour, Lib Dem or Green. If you want to die early, vote Reform.
Voting Conservative will give your wife bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW.
BMW M3!

E36 > E90 > E46 > F80 > E30 > G80

That's your M3 tier list.

Chris · June 29

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:
Is it the Endtimes or what?
Nah. Fight everyone like a cornered dog.

Then get pissed.

But not necessarily in that order.

GIN1138 · June 29

Leon said:

Dura_Ace said:

pigeon said:

MarqueeMark said:
Five years of Labour fucking up will be a great recruiting seargeant for the Conservatives.

Again.
Let's hope not. I'm worried that the next iteration of the Tory Party will be modelled on Reform and we don't want what's left of the Conservative brand being hijacked to give them a shot at real power. Such an entity needs to be crushed so that we can move on to a non-toxic opposition, whether that's called the Conservative Party or something else.
I am sure that the lessons the tories will take from their imminent defeat is that they need to be a more competent and better funded iteration of Reform. They will attempt rebuild a political movement around 63 year old fat white men called Barry who smoke while driving their Peugeot Partners and post pictures of their Alsatians on FB.
You really have no idea what is happening with Gen Z

Enlighten us Leon?

Carnyx · June 29

ydoethur said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

ydoethur said:

SandyRentool said:
VOODOO POLL ALERT!

Here is what Rail Forum posters think of the Tories' chances:

View results: How many seats with the Tories win?
0-50
Votes: 3 2.6%
50-75
Votes: 12 10.4%
75-100
Votes: 33 28.7%
100-125
Votes: 33 28.7%
125-150
Votes: 23 20.0%
150-200
Votes: 11 9.6%
Over 200
Votes: 0 0.0%
Total voters 115
Is that what Sunil's fellow chemists would call a train reaction?
Disclaimer - I left Warwick nearly 6 years ago
The delays on the WCML really are something, aren't they?

Yes, but he got a ticket by way of Kyle of Lochalsh, Thanet Parkway and Rheidol Falls.

Clutch_Brompton · June 29

a

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:
Very much doubt it's backfired.

This is one thing I've noticed that's cut through.
Lol. Your antennae are rather suspect pal.

Anyone remember the 'meat tax'? No?

@Casino_Royale
This has definitely cut through.
It was all anyone was talking about at work today.

Or how about Sunak's retreat from D-Day:

@Casino_Royale
Absolutely no-one cares about this and it will have zero impact on the campaign or the GE result.

Oh no - holding us to account for stupid things we have posted is a horrible precedent on this board. Who will be safe!!!

Leon · June 29

Tweedledee said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

paulyork64 said:
I do hope this Germany Denmark match resolves the Schleswig-Holstein question.
Wasn't it Bismarck who said, 'There are only three people who have ever understood the Schleswig-Holstein question: the Prince Consort, who is dead; a German professor, who is mad; and I who have forgotten?'
Lord Palmerston.
I knew it was some random imperialist.
He was the greatest Foreign Secretary this country has ever had until Dave got the job.
Bloody hell

You look at Angelagate. Then you look at Mone and Greensill. What's that, 6 OOM different? And the difference is male sex, shiny forehead, Eton.

I am cleverer than Cameron and posher and went to an older and more expensive school than he did, but I am done.. This country needs its Bastille storming asap.

I am cleverer AND posher than anyone on here and I hope the Tories DIE DIE DIE

Lord David Duke of Brexit Cameron is a primary reason why

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