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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Tbf the absolute bin fire that is the current Tory party would qualify as a pretty titanic act of revenge if someone did want to claim credit for it.

    I do accept that it’s mostly self inflicted though.

    "Fear and self-loathing in Richmond" (or wherever). Wonder who we know who could write a gonzo book like that?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,283

    The Tories are giving it a good go. They don't seem to ever want my vote despite surely being somebody that should want to vote for them.
    I want your vote.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,283
    TimS said:

    I think we could see some really surprising Green results on Thursday. The shock of the election. I’d expected their polling to decline but it’s not, and the supermajority schtick may be partly responsible.

    They could end up with several second places behind the Tories. If the Tories stay unpopular and the shine comes off Labour, that combined with further local government gains and greater tactical voting clarity could deliver them a number of seats in 2029.

    There's an argument to buy the Greens on the spreads, but whenever I've looked at it I can't get them up above 3-4 seats at best, which hardly seems worth it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited June 2024
    TimS said:

    I think we could see some really surprising Green results on Thursday. The shock of the election. I’d expected their polling to decline but it’s not, and the supermajority schtick may be partly responsible.

    They could end up with several second places behind the Tories. If the Tories stay unpopular and the shine comes off Labour, that combined with further local government gains and greater tactical voting clarity could deliver them a number of seats in 2029.

    The climate crisis is a greatly underplayed element of the current election debates (usually in a negative sense, like "It's getting in the way of my poor constituents parking their 3 SUVs on the pavement and tooling around at 70mph, how dare it"). I think we can see Green vote increasing considerably, not without some assistance from the socialist element if the current mentality of UKG is followed by SKSLab.
  • I want your vote.
    Well what do you think the Tories should offer then?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744

    They'd be a hell of a lot of beggars and people literally dying in the street if these policies were followed.
    We have a hell of a lot of beggars and people dying in the street NOW. Try Camden
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,346
    MattW said:

    That variability is a fairly normal experience for disabled people.

    An example I think I quoted here was someone with Fibromyalgia looking for a recent Sunday half day cycling route of 35 miles, who is unable to lift her cycle up 2 steps without a lot of pain, or often walk far at all.

    And it all varies day by day. One problem she may get will be with the lack of expertise in the Benefit processes. The poorly skilled assessor will go something like "but you can ride a bike so you must be fine right cross, so you have no entitlement". That happens repeatedly with people known to me, so a lot of them keep quiet quiet as they know they may be punished for it.

    That kind of subtlety is beyond (whether actually or conveniently) the comprehension of the likes of Reform and the current senior generation of Loboto-Tories.

    I'll get a similar variable ability next time my Hairy Cell Leukemia kicks off, but that will be years away and will knock me over completely (ie in bed most of the day due to no energy due to inability of blood to carry it) for a couple of months until re-treated.
    In a smaller way, I had the same problem when my ankle was bad at uni. I'd be in pain, but I'd walk the seven or so miles along the Regent's Canal from Mile End to Paddington, then get the tube back. Some people (*not* my friends) would say: "If you can walk that, you can't really be in pain."

    The thing was, I was in pain. It's just that the walking often made little difference to the pain, and the walk improved my mental mood massively. I'd feel like I'd won a battle.
  • People always say you can't make cuts. You can, but to do so you need to make choices.

    Things that I would abolish/change to cut spending.

    1: Abolish Triple Lock (plus). Everyone has the same tax threshold as each other. Pensions to go up by average wages, whether wages be higher or lower than prices everyone's wages go up or down in unison.

    2: Abolish planning consent. Let alone one build whatever they want, no questions asked, so long as it is within the legal regulations, wherever they want except for very limited areas (eg AONB).

    Everyone also says taxes can't rise so to counterbalance a hefty tax rise for some.

    3: Merge Universal Credit (and taper)/pensions, Income Tax, National Insurance and Student Loans/Graduate Tax into a single unified tax and benefit system. Everyone on the same income pays the same rate of tax no matter their ages, employment status, nor how they got their income.

    No cliff edges like UC taper, 50k, 100k etc.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,397

    Older PB'ers will remember talk of David Steele's LIb/SDP `surge' that was promised so often but never materialised.....I wont hold my breath, I dont sense the party is either
    We´d also remember that his names is spelled Steel though.

    The Liberal Democrats are targeting very tightly, but in the face of Tory collapse there is some scope to expand beyond the core targets, especially since the Tories do not seem to have enough resources to deploy in a lot of their own seats. Nevertheless, though, when the overall poll number is still only in the low/mid teens, it does not make sense to shoot for the stars but then miss the moon. To go from 15 MPs to 60+ in a single step would still be an astonishing achievement. We will see if the polls crystallise for the Lib Dems in the coming week, but in any event FPTP is being systematically discredited in the eyes of a growing majority.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744
    The new Tories - reform Tories - or whatever the new properly right wing party is called - should seriously persuade Matt Goodwin to become a major part of it. He’s very articulate and quite telegenic and he’s smart. He wasted as the academic that everyone hates

    Politics is his future. He could be Britain’s Bardella
  • Leon said:

    Remember. Farage AFTER Putingate has 27% favourable and Reform have the same. 27% favourable. Almost a third of the country is rather keen on reform under Farage

    That’s the target for the Tories (or whichever right right wing party emerges from this chaos). Aim slightly to the left of Farage and they will get 35-40% easily - especially after 5 sickening years of Labour wokeness, ineptitude and yet more migration

    But they have to be actually right wing and they have to actually mean it and they have show how they can deliver proper right wing polices from day 1

    It’s not hard. Do that and they can overturn Labour in one term
    Fundamental maths failure there.

    27% is little more than a quarter, not almost a third.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,258
    Andy_JS said:

    New Statesman is currently predicting that Nick Palmer, Reform candidate in Hornchurch & Upminster, will be elected.

    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2024/05/britainpredicts
    https://election.pressassociation.com/general-election/general-election-2024/

    I assume it's not our @NickPalmer ? If not, that is the second most interesting thing we know about him.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    Leon said:

    The new Tories - reform Tories - or whatever the new properly right wing party is called - should seriously persuade Matt Goodwin to become a major part of it. He’s very articulate and quite telegenic and he’s smart. He wasted as the academic that everyone hates

    Politics is his future. He could be Britain’s Bardella

    "Reformed Conservatives" ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744
    GIN1138 said:

    "Reformed Conservatives" ?
    Something like that? After this debacle they will need a rebrand - seriously. They can’t be the Conservatives any more. That brand is dead
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Cost of a Glastonbury ticket over the years.

    1970: £1
    1971: free
    1979: £5
    1981: £8
    1983: £12
    1984: £13
    1985: £16
    1986: £17
    1987: £21
    1989: £28
    1990: £38
    1992: £49
    1993: £58
    1994: £59
    1995: £65
    1998: £80
    1999: £83
    2000: £87
    2002: £97
    2003: £105
    2004: £112
    2007: £145
    2008: £155
    2009: £175
    2010: £185
    2011: £195
    2014: £210
    2015: £225
    2017: £238
    2019: £248
    2022: £280
    2023: £335
    2024: £360

    https://www.thepopuphotel.com/how-much-is-a-glastonbury-ticket-the-history-of-glastonbury-pricing/
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/oct/18/glastonbury-2023-ticket-prices
    https://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/tickets/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,346

    I want your vote.
    ISTR a time (in the 2010-5 parliament) when occasionally people on here would screech: "We don't want your vote!".

    I can't remember who it was (but I doubt it was you), but that always seemed a really stoopid thing to say.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    Andy_JS said:

    Cost of a Glastonbury ticket over the years.

    1970: £1
    1971: free
    1979: £5
    1981: £8
    1983: £12
    1984: £13
    1985: £16
    1986: £17
    1987: £21
    1989: £28
    1990: £38
    1992: £49
    1993: £58
    1994: £59
    1995: £65
    1998: £80
    1999: £83
    2000: £87
    2002: £97
    2003: £105
    2004: £112
    2007: £145
    2008: £155
    2009: £175
    2010: £185
    2011: £195
    2014: £210
    2015: £225
    2017: £238
    2019: £248
    2022: £280
    2023: £335
    2024: £360

    https://www.thepopuphotel.com/how-much-is-a-glastonbury-ticket-the-history-of-glastonbury-pricing/
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/oct/18/glastonbury-2023-ticket-prices
    https://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/tickets/

    That's Capitalism for you... :D
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,094
    Leon said:

    They can’t be the Conservatives any more. That brand is dead

    The Conservative and Unionist brand would be fine if they kick out the Kippers and anybody that thought BoZo was a good idea
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,636
    edited June 2024
    Andy_JS said:

    Cost of a Glastonbury ticket over the years.

    1970: £1
    1971: free
    1979: £5
    1981: £8
    1983: £12
    1984: £13
    1985: £16
    1986: £17
    1987: £21
    1989: £28
    1990: £38
    1992: £49
    1993: £58
    1994: £59
    1995: £65
    1998: £80
    1999: £83
    2000: £87
    2002: £97
    2003: £105
    2004: £112
    2007: £145
    2008: £155
    2009: £175
    2010: £185
    2011: £195
    2014: £210
    2015: £225
    2017: £238
    2019: £248
    2022: £280
    2023: £335
    2024: £360

    https://www.thepopuphotel.com/how-much-is-a-glastonbury-ticket-the-history-of-glastonbury-pricing/
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/oct/18/glastonbury-2023-ticket-prices
    https://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/tickets/

    What year did Lonnie Donegan play, and was there a refund?
  • ISTR a time (in the 2010-5 parliament) when occasionally people on here would screech: "We don't want your vote!".

    I can't remember who it was (but I doubt it was you), but that always seemed a really stoopid thing to say.
    HYUFD used to regularly say it to me, when we were voting for the same Party.

    Now he's got his wish.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Leon said:

    The new Tories - reform Tories - or whatever the new properly right wing party is called - should seriously persuade Matt Goodwin to become a major part of it. He’s very articulate and quite telegenic and he’s smart. He wasted as the academic that everyone hates

    Politics is his future. He could be Britain’s Bardella

    For some reason a lot of PBers think he's an idiot.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012

    I can fully accept the BBC wanting to televise the event so that music fans can watch.

    But it is not news.

    The news channels are not Smash Hits magazine.
    The merging of news coverage into consumer/general interest/feature/whingefest/ignorance sharing and worst of all 'awareness raising' is both unproductive and boring. It also allows especially the BBC to air their gigantic non-impartiality about all of the matters raised.

    And they do all this instead of the vital task of covering world affairs (Sudan is a prime example) with proper coverage and updates.

    (When they bother to cover Sudan it's to tell us that being a war victim is deeply unpleasant, which we knew, not to tell us which side is prevailing where, and why, and why which country is arming them).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744
    I think I might become Breton

    Grow a massive beard and wear a stripey tee shirt and a red kerchief and live on one of these brilliant islands and drink kir Breton and espresso at 9am, and vote for Breton dynasty the Le Pens every five years

    They are Cornish anyway. They are my people

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Leon said:

    I think I might become Breton

    Grow a massive beard and wear a stripey tee shirt and a red kerchief and live on one of these brilliant islands and drink kir Breton and espresso at 9am, and vote for Breton dynasty the Le Pens every five years

    They are Cornish anyway. They are my people

    What's wrong with the Welsh? A lot closer to Newent.
  • JamesFJamesF Posts: 42

    There's an argument to buy the Greens on the spreads, but whenever I've looked at it I can't get them up above 3-4 seats at best, which hardly seems worth it.
    There's literally no investment of time or effort beyond the target 4 seats
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    edited June 2024
    Scott_xP said:

    The Conservative and Unionist brand would be fine if they kick out the Kippers and anybody that thought BoZo was a good idea
    We might be just a couple of weeks away from Nigel Farage as Leader Of The Opposition! :open_mouth:
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,012
    Carnyx said:

    The climate crisis is a greatly underplayed element of the current election debates (usually in a negative sense, like "It's getting in the way of my poor constituents parking their 3 SUVs on the pavement and tooling around at 70mph, how dare it"). I think we can see Green vote increasing considerably, not without some assistance from the socialist element if the current mentality of UKG is followed by SKSLab.
    There's little doubt the climate crisis and environmental issues are rising in salience. The Greens have been really quite bad at taking advantage because have tied themselves to other issues their activists like but which put off normal people with who share their environmental concerns. Plus have a ludicrous NIMBY streak that undermines their climate credentials because they never want to build anything that might actually help.

    In some ways the other side of the Faragist coin - in taking advantage of disillusionment with the state of the nation by telling their own niche everything they want to hear. Probably not sustainable longer term when they'll have to grow up a bit, rebrand and shake off the cranks - as Reform will too - to grow their vote more permanently and escape their contradictions.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,732

    What year did Lonnie Donegan play, and was there a refund?
    1999 and even then I think other stages were available.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744
    A tough question for @Heathener


    “Been looking at the Glastonbury crowds on the TV and in the papers. Yet to see a single black person. Does this white intensely middle-class non-event operate an apartheid system? Or are people of colour just denied entry?”

    https://x.com/tvkev/status/1806248969330151587?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    edited June 2024
    Leon said:

    Something like that? After this debacle they will need a rebrand - seriously. They can’t be the Conservatives any more. That brand is dead
    New Conservatives.

    But none of the Right Wing politicians at the moment are as popular as Blair. Even your pin-up fantasy Farage is less popular (according to YouGov) than both Starmer and Rayner.

    Good article by Ian Leslie this morning. Like Tina Turner the British electorate don’t need another hero. Charismatic politicians having led us into the widely regretted debacles of Iraq and Brexit, this is the age of the non-charismatic politician. One who is happy to get on with the boring business of running a government rather than a beauty parade. Which explains Farage’s unpopularity- along with his authoritarianism. And abolishing the primary piece of sex discrimination legislation doesn’t go down well with at least half the electorate.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,368
    MJW said:

    I'm not sure this will happen in quite the way some suggest, as it's a similar argument to the usually wrong one that an election would be "a good election to lose" due to the problems in the government's in-tray being so large as to make whoever addresses them unpopular.

    Labour people thought it in 1979 and 2010 and ended up out of power for a very long time and facing very different countries to the one they left by the time they got back.

    Voters tend to grant politicians some grace if they think the country's in a hole and action is needed to fix it. No doubt Labour would face some mid-term blues and controversial decisions, but the Tories will still take a large proportion of the blame and find themselves cast as the party who crashed the car and are now making irresponsible promises to persuade you to let them take the wheel again. Eve

    As for a smaller state, the basic structural problem for the Tories is that they have become increasingly reliant on voters who like a large state - even if they're unaware of it. Namely elderly homeowners whose wellbeing is tied to the state being generous towards them even as demographics mean it grows and is put under greater strain.

    Meanwhile, other parts of the state that others rely on often feel threadbare or cruel to the point that most serious observers believe taking an axe to them is impossible - a big part of Liz Truss's problem was that markets simply didn't believe the cuts that might be needed to pay for tax cuts were possible/plausible. That's before we get to things like courts, prisons, and immigration enforcement.

    Anyone advocating for a smaller state needs to say what goes - chances are it's even more unpopular than tax rises.

    It would be almost unheard of for a political party to switch its electoral strategy as completely as the Tories would have to to appeal to the kind of younger, working age voters for whom a smaller state and lower taxes now might be an attractive proposition.

    It would require housebuilding, as you say. A mea culpa and apology on Brexit and the culture wars it fuels (yes, the left is far from blameless there - but still - the party of Suella Braverman isn't going to make the kind of inroads it would need to), before they get a hearing from those they'd need support from.

    Plus, all the evidence suggests they will do the opposite and become Reform 2.0, with all the wild unrealistic spending promises that entails.
    Other than the brexit bit, that's very insightful
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744
    Andy_JS said:

    For some reason a lot of PBers think he's an idiot.
    He’s really really not an idiot. One is free to think he is delusional or misguided - or that his polling data is poor - but he’s clearly bright. And his diagnosis of the ills of the right - and the West - is pretty much bang on
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    ISTR a time (in the 2010-5 parliament) when occasionally people on here would screech: "We don't want your vote!".

    I can't remember who it was (but I doubt it was you), but that always seemed a really stoopid thing to say.
    Corbynites like BJO were big fans of that kind of thing post 2915. “Fuck off and join the Lib Dems you Blairite scum” etc. So I did. Briefly.

    Kinder, gentler etc etc.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,636
    Cicero said:

    We´d also remember that his names is spelled Steel though.

    The Liberal Democrats are targeting very tightly, but in the face of Tory collapse there is some scope to expand beyond the core targets, especially since the Tories do not seem to have enough resources to deploy in a lot of their own seats. Nevertheless, though, when the overall poll number is still only in the low/mid teens, it does not make sense to shoot for the stars but then miss the moon. To go from 15 MPs to 60+ in a single step would still be an astonishing achievement. We will see if the polls crystallise for the Lib Dems in the coming week, but in any event FPTP is being systematically discredited in the eyes of a growing majority.
    Fwiw, Cicero, I think you are in with a squeak in Tewkesbury. It is a good example though of a constituency Party that has to do it unaided because of the necessity of winning Cheltenham (likely) and South Cotswold (tricky but promising). Tewkes would be the icing on the Cotswold cake but if it's a near miss (which is what I think it will be) that is no disaster.
  • novanova Posts: 754

    Sunak's most recent measures will probably take effect within 12-18 months, so Starmer will be lucky there too.

    He'll have a big problems with the boats though. My guess is the smugglers test his resolve as they'll assume a Labour government will be "softer".
    Agree that immigration is coming down whatever happens with changes already in the pipeline, and I suspect that was why Labour were happy to take an easy win by committing to it.

    The boats will be harder, although it's still relatively small numbers, and there are probably easier ways to solve it than totally smashing the gangs. I suspect a few slightly easier routes, quicker decisions and quicker returns, plus offshore processing etc., might make it less appealing. The numbers involved are tiny compared to current immigration figures, so being a little more relaxed about it all might be the easiest plan.

    But even if they fail, it's not an issue that seems to significantly bother most Labour voters. If a few tens of thousands of people arriving by boats, who will likely never impact on your life, is one of your major concerns, you're probably not voting Labour whatever happens.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,320
    Leon said:

    The new Tories - reform Tories - or whatever the new properly right wing party is called - should seriously persuade Matt Goodwin to become a major part of it. He’s very articulate and quite telegenic and he’s smart. He wasted as the academic that everyone hates

    Politics is his future. He could be Britain’s Bardella

    I recall someone or other on here touting Darren ‘craftywank’ Grimes as the fresh, articulate, telegenic, smart face of the right after his cosy chat with David Starkey.
    Worked out well.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744
    rcs1000 said:

    Other than the brexit bit, that's very insightful
    It completely ignores the technological changes coming our way
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Barnsley North was one of the seats RefUK had an outside chance in if they were having a very good night.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c727xz2kkgjo

    "Reform UK has dropped three of its candidates following reports they had made offensive comments, a spokesperson has confirmed.

    However, Edward Oakenfull, who is standing in Derbyshire Dales; Robert Lomas, a candidate in Barnsley North, and Leslie Lilley, standing in Southend East and Rochford, will still appear on the ballot paper as Reform candidates as it is too late for them to be removed.

    It comes after leader Nigel Farage disowned the candidates during an appearance on BBC Question Time on Friday evening, when their remarks were put to him.

    Mr Farage told the programme: "I want nothing to do with them.""
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,782
    It's probably too late now, but if Sunak pledged to ban Glastonbury from 2025 he might win back quite a few votes from the miserable old fuckers on here and elsewhere.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    Leon said:

    Something like that? After this debacle they will need a rebrand - seriously. They can’t be the Conservatives any more. That brand is dead
    The brand name is fine. They are hard to invent successfully. What is dead for now is any sort of entire and plausible worldview and policy which is truly conservative. I think it may be something Goodwin is struggling towards, and it would be good if he gets there. But his current support for Reform is a pure cul de sac.

    The philosophical problem with Reform is that its policies are state managed, high expenditure, welfarism social democracy + nationalism and the delusion that this can be provided for the members of Clacton bowls club but not for the wrong sort.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,094
    GIN1138 said:

    We might be just a couple of weeks away from Nigel Farage as Leader Of The Opposition! :open_mouth:
    No

    The worst possible scenario for Farridge is he gets elected along with half a dozen nutters, and he spends the next 5 years apologising for the swivel-eyed loons and closet racists
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744

    I recall someone or other on here touting Darren ‘craftywank’ Grimes as the fresh, articulate, telegenic, smart face of the right after his cosy chat with David Starkey.
    Worked out well.
    Did they?? That certainly wasn’t me. I quite like Grimes - and he’s a brave figure on the right, gay and defiant - a weird mirror image of Owen Jones (who I also like: I admire defiant articulate people) - but he’s never gonna be “the face of a political movement” if that’s what you mean

    However Goodwin - yes maybe. Has a certain gravitas. However he might be crap in hustings or in tough interviews - it would be good to see him tested as an experiment
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,617

    "Under law, neither man’s age would allow him to pilot a commercial airliner. Or serve in command as a military officer. Or be appointed as an appellate judge in most U.S. states. And in Trump’s case, because of his felony conviction, he is not allowed to own a gun.

    Both men are, however, still eligible to control the deadliest weapon arsenal known to man."

    NY Times

    It's already documented that he kept one of his guns after his conviction, aiui.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    It's probably too late now, but if Sunak pledged to ban Glastonbury from 2025 he might win back quite a few votes from the miserable old fuckers on here and elsewhere.

    Oh id be all in. Esprcially if he also promised to boot Taylor Swift up the arse on live TV
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,258
    Leon said:

    I’ve actually been considering it for a while but sheer laziness and inertia have restrained me. But this guy making $150,000 a year doing three-four articles a month. wtf. He’s good at his job and he has a niche but I’ve got a feeling I could do as well as that - if I ever get off my fat butt

    Thru accident, I built up a statistical career by doing bits and bobs, and after about a decade it's amounted to a proper thing: I wouldn't have my present job without it. So perhaps I can advise.

    Don't start off doing three-four articles a month. Do about one every three months, or one every six. Don't expect to be paid anything but pennies for a couple of years, and get into a rhythm. Interact with your fans. Slowly modify your articles to appeal both in numbers and structure. Slowly increase your frequency. After about two-five years you will get there.

    Plus, you are now in the later years of your life. This will give you something to do as the years wear away and keep you in the best mental condition for your age.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744
    nova said:

    Agree that immigration is coming down whatever happens with changes already in the pipeline, and I suspect that was why Labour were happy to take an easy win by committing to it.

    The boats will be harder, although it's still relatively small numbers, and there are probably easier ways to solve it than totally smashing the gangs. I suspect a few slightly easier routes, quicker decisions and quicker returns, plus offshore processing etc., might make it less appealing. The numbers involved are tiny compared to current immigration figures, so being a little more relaxed about it all might be the easiest plan.

    But even if they fail, it's not an issue that seems to significantly bother most Labour voters. If a few tens of thousands of people arriving by boats, who will likely never impact on your life, is one of your major concerns, you're probably not voting Labour whatever happens.
    Delusional on so many levels
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,658

    NEW THREAD

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    It's probably too late now, but if Sunak pledged to ban Glastonbury from 2025 he might win back quite a few votes from the miserable old fuckers on here and elsewhere.

    I'm perfectly cool with Glasto, just if they didn't pee all over the eels.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    GIN1138 said:

    Riddle me this PB - If the election ends up something like:

    Lab 250
    Lib 70
    Con 65
    Ref 15

    Do Con and Ref merge so the Right can hang on to official opposition status? But if they do merge would some Con MP's quit and join the Lib-Dems?

    The days after the election could be somewhat fraught...

    You're missing a few seats.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    Andy_JS said:

    You're missing a few seats.
    Yes I know, but SNP etc aren't relevant to my riddle. ;)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,258

    Tape backups for data are still absolutely huge market.
    I once pulled data off the cache to tape backups to replace data that was accidentally deleted by a colleague, then put the schema on it, a few days before the cache would have been cleared. You'd think I'd get congrats? I got the blame because the colleague was on holiday. I left and got a nice pay rise :)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    edited June 2024
    Leon said:

    He’s really really not an idiot. One is free to think he is delusional or misguided - or that his polling data is poor - but he’s clearly bright. And his diagnosis of the ills of the right - and the West - is pretty much bang on
    Diagnosing ills is not hard. It is hard sets of policies and goals, coherent with an underlying political philosophy, that are both feasible targets from where we are now and can win the votes that is the challenge. Goodwin is well placed to have a try. Understanding populism is a good start. Understanding why populism's problem is that it applies simple solutions to complex problems is the next stage. Saying what to do which is both popular, coherent and will work comes after that.

    I wish him well. But at the moment he has gone seriously wrong.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Leon said:

    A tough question for @Heathener


    “Been looking at the Glastonbury crowds on the TV and in the papers. Yet to see a single black person. Does this white intensely middle-class non-event operate an apartheid system? Or are people of colour just denied entry?”

    https://x.com/tvkev/status/1806248969330151587?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Obviously, no. Either would be illegal. So the black people are absent of their own volition, when they ought in TVKev's view to be present. So I think he is telling us that black people are stupid or at least not as clever as TVKev.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744
    viewcode said:

    Thru accident, I built up a statistical career by doing bits and bobs, and after about a decade it's amounted to a proper thing: I wouldn't have my present job without it. So perhaps I can advise.

    Don't start off doing three-four articles a month. Do about one every three months, or one every six. Don't expect to be paid anything but pennies for a couple of years, and get into a rhythm. Interact with your fans. Slowly modify your articles to appeal both in numbers and structure. Slowly increase your frequency. After about two-five years you will get there.

    Plus, you are now in the later years of your life. This will give you something to do as the years wear away and keep you in the best mental condition for your age.

    lol. Thanks but no

    As you correctly point out I am now quite advanced in years. Which is fine. Ish. But I don’t have the time to wank about “building up fans for eight years”

    All or nothing. Besides all I have to do is divert the commentary I do on here and on social media which I give away for free. Convert that into more structured articles. Bingo

    They take me about half an hour to write. I have that kind of brain. I have an idea for an article
    roughly every 23 minutes. Seriously

    Like I could write an article right now on these subjects which are obsessing me this moment

    1. Why are e-bikes so pleasing - make them the future of travel!
    2. Why is the food in Moldova and Ukraine better than France - wtf is happening there
    3. Gay people as political pioneers
    4. Me and why I’m amazing
    5. Why I just took tramadol again
    6. Why you should take tramadol
    7. Oysters
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744

    Obviously, no. Either would be illegal. So the black people are absent of their own volition, when they ought in TVKev's view to be present. So I think he is telling us that black people are stupid or at least not as clever as TVKev.
    I hope he writes a guardian think piece on “why Glasto is racist” then we can watch @heathener have conniptions
  • bobbobbobbob Posts: 100
    Here’s what a REAL right-wing gov would do:

    1. Introduce a flat tax to replace ALL current taxes (NI/VAT/CGT/Council Tax/ULEZ/fuel tax/ved/“apprenticeship levy”/sugar tax/sin taxes, the lot). Save BILLIONS on bureaucracy and let people. See how much tax they are really paying !

    2 Privatise the BBC, channel 4, post office, Transport for London, national rail, public owned museums/galleries/british library, libraries etc. Not what the govt should be doing !

    3. Policy of gov outsourcing as much ans possible and reform to ensure bidding and competition and more efficient quicker procurement. Esp councils !!

    4. Long term goal to remove ALL state subsidies on transport, higher education, Hollywood “tax credits” and similar bs.

    5. Reform planning and building regulations to remove almost all restrictions. Remove listed buildings, “area of natural beauty”, grrenbelt and similar bs to allow easier demolition and building. Have a decade of national renewal ! New mass housing, wind farms, building new transport eithout govt getting in the way

    6. Bonfire of red tape. Reform licensing housing and street trading laws. Look at “all will” employment for both employees and employers to improve job flexibility by making it easier to hire and move jobs to create growth

    Prob more but that’s where I’d start
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,513
    Leon said:

    lol. Thanks but no

    As you correctly point out I am now quite advanced in years. Which is fine. Ish. But I don’t have the time to wank about “building up fans for eight years”

    All or nothing. Besides all I have to do is divert the commentary I do on here and on social media which I give away for free. Convert that into more structured articles. Bingo

    They take me about half an hour to write. I have that kind of brain. I have an idea for an article
    roughly every 23 minutes. Seriously

    Like I could write an article right now on these subjects which are obsessing me this moment

    1. Why are e-bikes so pleasing - make them the future of travel!
    2. Why is the food in Moldova and Ukraine better than France - wtf is happening there
    3. Gay people as political pioneers
    4. Me and why I’m amazing
    5. Why I just took tramadol again
    6. Why you should take tramadol
    7. Oysters
    Use this site for ideas.

    Lots of PBers have interesting ideas but don't have the time, ability or inclination to write articles themselves.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,617
    Andy_JS said:

    Barnsley North was one of the seats RefUK had an outside chance in if they were having a very good night.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c727xz2kkgjo

    "Reform UK has dropped three of its candidates following reports they had made offensive comments, a spokesperson has confirmed.

    However, Edward Oakenfull, who is standing in Derbyshire Dales; Robert Lomas, a candidate in Barnsley North, and Leslie Lilley, standing in Southend East and Rochford, will still appear on the ballot paper as Reform candidates as it is too late for them to be removed.

    It comes after leader Nigel Farage disowned the candidates during an appearance on BBC Question Time on Friday evening, when their remarks were put to him.

    Mr Farage told the programme: "I want nothing to do with them.""

    Iona Bruce should have read out the other 17 as well.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,258
    TimS said:

    There is a place for a liberal green (teal) political force. That’s the direction I’d like to see the party go in.

    There’s also a possibility of a French split: populist right (Reform and Suella-Tories), socialist left (soft left of Labour leftwards), and centrist liberals incorporating the Blairites and Cameronians.
    Yellow-and-green give you lime-green or chartreuse.
    Teal is blue-and-green: Cameron's lot.
  • Sean_F said:

    Re Yougov, several polls have placed Labour under 40%, recently.

    In fact, only 5 of the 25 most recent G.E. polls reported by Wikipedia show Labour as having a support range of 36% - 39%, the remaing 20 polls all show them with a support range of between 40% - 43%.

    Labour's support level, based on a weighted average of these 25 polls is 40.8%, a lead of 4.8% over the 36% Labour support as most recently reported by YouGov. Some might consider this as not being particularlty material, but if viewed in terms of the impact on the overall GE result, i.e. 'Baxterised', this translates into a very significant, potentially game-changing number of seats.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,188
    s

    Just turned on the TV for the news.

    BBC, Glastonbury.

    Sky, Glastonbury.

    Why do they get into such a wankfest over this every year?

    The average viewer of a 24 hour news channel couldn't give a feck about a bunch of twats living in squalor for a week, and listening to bands they have never heard of.

    Someone, somewhere is having fun. Worse, it’s something I don’t like….

    If you want to ban music and dancing - the Rule of The Major Generals is *that* way. Walk about 350 years and you can’t miss it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,188
    eristdoof said:

    "There he goes again" from Reagan vs Carter was the most brutal "polite put down" I have seen in a political debate.
    https://youtu.be/fJhCjMfRndk?si=MPqEfSIDEBHj7i_z
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,188

    Eeek! I deny all association...
    Don’t vote for Nick Palmer. Vote for Nick Palmer.

    Simple really. Like Zathras. Vote for Zathras. But not Zathras. And definitely not for Zathras.
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