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Northern Ireland [Westminster] Constituencies : Part Two (Key Seats) – politicalbetting.com

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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited June 2024
    Amusingly Dross is last Tory standing in Scotland in this, although Berwickshire is a coin flip (like 2015)
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,787
    Cookie said:

    I think that's wrong, in my experience. Happiness leads to wanting to tell everyone all about it, even your imaginary friends on the internet. Misery, you tend to retreat more into silence.
    Not sure I agree. People who are happy and of a boastful nature tend to boast to friends on FB. People are not happy feel the need to boast to people who don't really know them. It is safer as they can't be fact checked.

    Anyway at risk of you thinking I am retreating into silence, it is time to go for a walk with dog and then go to pub!
  • It was is very interesting to hear how much leg Sir Kier 'Send the Bangladeshis home' Starmer is flashing in the direction of perceived Reform voters at the moment - perhaps their private polling is telling them that their position in the red wall isn't as safe as they'd like to think. There's definitely more Tory vote for Reform to squeeze, and Labour voters aren't that convinced either.
    The problem with Bangladeshgate, is that if 3/5th of 2019 voters have broken for reform and 1/5 for Labour as @rcs1000 suggests, Labour will win, providing a trance of their core voters don't vote for Gorgeous George which Bangladeshgate might ensure.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,230
    EPG said:

    The Reform UK vote inefficiency will arise because first, 30% doesn't yield a much better probability of winning a seat than 10%. Second, the seats you win on 30% tend to have multiple rivals close to your vote, so your seats are vulnerable to two-party swings between your close rivals that have nothing to do with you. Finally, if the vote distribution is similar to Ukip in 2015, then even on 20% in England and Wales, they would only exceed 30% in a few dozen seats.

    The Lib Dem standard deviation for their vote is extraordinarily high. If you're a minor party (Everyone but Labour at the moment lol) then a humongous variation on your vote from seat to seat is what you want.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,230

    Okay guys, can you all type your top FIVE bets for the English Constituencies?

    No odds on, must be 11-10 or greater.

    Many thanks,

    Barnsley South reform 8-1
  • sbjme19sbjme19 Posts: 194
    Andy_JS said:

    Political betting swinging votes in Bolton West.

    "On Wednesday Green was mainly canvassing previous Conservative and swing voters in Blackrod, a small commuter town with sweeping countryside views. Most of those who answered the door stated that they were undecided or would not be voting at all.
    “You haven’t got mine,” replied painter and decorator James Mullen, 73, when Green asked if he could count on his vote. “It’s all this betting.”

    He recounted in disgust the scandal that has hit the Conservatives over the past fortnight, in which 12 individuals — including Tory candidates, party officials and police officers — have been placed under investigation over bets they placed on an early election date. "

    https://www.ft.com/content/80650fc4-5d36-4ee0-ad94-53731616f96d

    I didn't read this properly the first time and thought why's he blaming the Greens for the betting scandal!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Nigelb said:

    Possibly the worst decision this court has made, and heaven knows it's been a utter shitshow since Trump's appointments.
    It's an enormous power grab by the Court at the expense of Congress, and demonstrates a contempt for the stare decisis doctrine that is deeper than the Dodds decision.

    Kagan's dissent is well argued, and appropriately scathing. She made a point of reading it from the bench.
    I must say that the idea of deference to a regulator by the court as to what a law means does seem an odd concept. Our courts will show deference to expert Tribunals regulating particular areas but not to the regulator itself.

    The problem with the American system is that their courts seem a long way from impartial arbiter of our courts and they also, of course, have the power to strike down so much regulation and indeed legislation. This gives the courts more power than the politicians in many respects. When you have a partisan court, such as now, that is a real problem.
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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    DavidL said:

    Those dreams of Tory gains against an SNP vote falling even faster than theirs have faded to nothing.
    Will be lots will hold their nose and still vote SNP
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,934
    edited June 2024
    It strikes me the UK election is the final hurrah, the last supper, the stag or hen do, for the social democratic and liberal ascendency in the West. The exception that proves the rule.

    A populist right wing party is about to be kicked out of office in potentially spectacular style (don’t @ me, they are populist right wing: heavy on the divisive rhetoric, light on policy, economically centrist, elements of statism, classic populist - see Orban, Erdogan, Putin etc).

    The rest of the West is going into its populist phase. America is getting Trump back. He may well fix the system so his people are in forever. Le Pen’s people are going to be running France. India is already captured, Germany is rediscovering its fashy heritage. But here in Britain we have a few years of Keir before PM Farage in 2029. Meanwhile the world’s burning up and China’s deciding when to press the Taiwan button.

    So we should embrace it, right and left. Celebrate the fin de siècle before the decent into hell and the possible nuclear holocaust.

    I am considering an ultra woke fancy dress party for election night, celebrating our short lived supremacy before the republic of Gilead descends.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    TimS said:

    I’m actually starting to feel the pang of disappointment when MRPs don’t have the Lib Dems as official opposition.

    Another reason we shouldn’t have opinion polls. If we didn’t, non-Tories would be praying for a reduced Conservative majority or, in their dreams, even a hung parliament.
    No chance SNP will be on 12
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    rcs1000 said:

    Boris Johnson fucked up in setting the post-Brexit income thresholds too low, which resulted in far more people coming than was anticipated.

    His successors were then slow - very slow - to recognize this.

    I find it astonishing that it wasn't recognized by either Johnson or Sunak (and his Home Secretaries) that numbers coming were way above forecast, and were resulting in much higher net migration than was the case when the UK was part of the EU.

    And here Starmer is a very lucky General.

    Firstly, higher income thresholds were put in place for visas. Now, you can argue that £38,700 is still too low (or alternatively that it is far too simplistic, given that a 21 year old earning £39k is very different to a 45 year old), but it is still almost 40% above the old threshold. That means that a very substantial number of people who were eligible for visas before, are no longer eligible. And it is Starmer who who will see the benefit.

    Secondly, a large chunk of the increase in net immigration in the last three years has been student numbers. We've gone from 180k student (and dependent) visas issued a year to something like 600k. Based on experience most of those people will go home at the end of their courses. But there is an approximately three year period during which the number of students (and dependents) resident in the UK is rising fast. Once you get to the 3 or 4 year anniversary - and particularly if it is matched by smaller numbers of students coming - then the net impact falls dramatically.

    Starmer, if he does absolutely nothing, will be Prime Minister, when net immigration numbers fall quite significantly. Because maths.
    That’s fair, but immigration isn’t the whole ballgame here, and anyway to the aggrieved (I am not one of them) the numbers won’t “feel” lower because Xm arrived in the last couple of years.

    The general “nothing works” frustration will remain because there’s no cash.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    Okay guys, can you all type your top FIVE bets for the English Constituencies?

    No odds on, must be 11-10 or greater.

    Many thanks,

    Thought I could give 5 but they don't meet your odds filter now. I'll give you my current top 1.

    Libdems. Runnymede and weybridge 9/1.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796
    Leon said:

    But remember Gary Player’s dictum: the harder I train the luckier I get

    I’ve examined my life quite hard for a memoir I’m writing to be serialised in the gazette. My conclusion is that 1. Yes I am very lucky but 2. I have been lucky SO MANY TIMES there is something else at play

    I conclude it is extreme emotional and verbal intelligence allied with notable general intelligence. The first is basically: charm. I’m superb at persuading people to pay for me to have a good
    time - because I amuse them and make them feel better about life. If you can do that it can take you far. Part of this is soothing upset people or cheering sad people or knowing how to work a crowd - do all that and people want you around and will actually pay you to simply be around - the “personality hire”

    The second - G - is necessary for intellectual work. You can charm your way into great situations but then need to exploit them. I also have the basic IQ to do that - and the words

    I was also born quite good looking - nothing spectacular but enough. Hence all the women

    However I was also born with several handicaps. Addiction. A fucked up family. Alcoholism. Intense
    depression and manias tho thankfully sporadic

    But then again - isn’t that all luck? I was dealt a very good genetic hand, some people are born blind deaf and stupid. I am no better than them. Just luckier

    So in the end you are quite right! It is all luck

    If your memoirs are to be serialized it is a good reason to cancel my subscription and I will be sure to tell them why
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