OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.
Two scenarios: 1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again 2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong
Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.
The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"
And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
@PippaCrerar · 1h Tory candidate Philip Davies is latest politician to have bet against himself at election @MrHarryCole reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.
Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.
I disagree. The Perl programming language would give it a run for its money. The only "write once, never edit" language known.
Perl was write once, make sure it works and then never ever go near it again.
I remember a Perl expert writing what should have been a 200 line script in a single completely and utterly unreadable line, assembler was easier to read and follow...
You think that's bad? I once had to port over a major codebase - on my own - from a third party company. Lots of the 'code' was written in the C preprocessor. A header file of a few lines became hundreds of K of preprocessor output.
Try finding a bug in that. If you ever thought Macromedia Flash was an awful buggy hellhole, I'd like to introduce you to the Macromedia Shockwave sourcecode.
(Weeps gently in the background)
PB.com Programmers Bragging
Not really bragging... in need of counselling.
From memory (and it was thankfully over 25 years ago...) version 4 had MIN and MAX macros. Which returned true if the given was larger or smaller, as you would expect.
In V5, the MIN and MAX macro operands had been reversed; as had all the places the macros were used.
In V6, they were back to how they were in V4.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is Quality Coding...
What about
#define FOUR 5
That sort of thing triggers so many mental hiccups when reading code
Now you've triggered my operator overloading PTSD.
OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.
Two scenarios: 1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again 2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong
Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.
The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"
And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
Definitely a lot more people out there who will give the Tories another go, whether they admit it is another matter.
Just objectively, this is an excellent debate performance by Rishi Sunak.
Excellent in the sense that Trump is an excellent debater. I find the way he’s been allowed to talk over Starmer and avoid any questions from the moderator disgusting but I’m not naive enough to think that it’s not working this evening.
Lots of that, yes, but it's nothing like Trump. Trump is not quick thinking or articulate. As we'll see tomorrow.
Tory candidate Philip Davies is latest politician to have bet against himself at election @MrHarryCole reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.
Alex Wickham @alexwickham · 49m Starmer slaps down Sunak for interrupting him: "if you listened to more people in the audience and around the country you might not be so out of touch" - applause from audience
OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.
Two scenarios: 1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again 2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong
Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.
The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"
And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
You know what is wonderful? 150 seats - their worst result for a loooooong time - feels like an almost fantasy level of success.
Tory candidate Philip Davies is latest politician to have bet against himself at election @MrHarryCole reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.
OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.
Two scenarios: 1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again 2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong
Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.
The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"
And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
Definitely a lot more people out there who will give the Tories another go, whether they admit it is another matter.
I reread what I have wrote. The issue is how many people will vote conservative who will not say so in the polls.
As the daughter of Bangladeshi migrants, I am so proud of the East End’s diversity and that our communities include migrants from all around the world.
Let me be very clear: I will never stand by and let migrant communities be scapegoated."
Tory candidate Philip Davies is latest politician to have bet against himself at election @MrHarryCole reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.
OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.
Two scenarios: 1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again 2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong
Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.
The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"
And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
You know what is wonderful? 150 seats - their worst result for a loooooong time - feels like an almost fantasy level of success.
Labour run Nottingham City Council is on the verge of bankruptcy what will you do to reverse Councils going bankrupt
SKS Sweet FA Sunak same as SKS
What an intellectually bankrupt GE we are having with these 2 Parties
Why should taxpayers in the country bail out councils, whatever their politics, who have gone bankrupt through their own ineptitude. Fuck them. The council tax payers voted them in, they can live with the consequences of that.
Mad as cheese.
Uk gov cuts sure start centres. They were warned there would be long term costs. Struggling parents lose support.
UK gov tells councils to sell children’s homes to balance the books because of cuts.
Hedge fund buys council children’s homes and puts up prices.
Horrible number of children of the previously lost generation are feral and need around the clock care.
How exactly is that the fault of council tax payers?
SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.
He's too polite. Needs more umph.
Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.
Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
I have only managed to listen to a bit of the leader's debate this evening, but I thought that Rishi's repeated use of the phrase, "don't surrender x to Labour" will be quite effective. It's insidious psychologically, and horribly anti-democratic, and doesn't survive a moment's conscious thought. But I think it will be effective.
As the daughter of Bangladeshi migrants, I am so proud of the East End’s diversity and that our communities include migrants from all around the world.
Let me be very clear: I will never stand by and let migrant communities be scapegoated."
Starmer's a former DPP and future prime minister. Of course he thinks illegal immigrants should, by and large, be deported. Rather foolish of him to single out one group during an election though.
SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.
He's too polite. Needs more umph.
Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.
Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
I don't think Starmer has done worse, I think he's come across calm and like a potential next Prime Minister which is his objective.
OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.
Two scenarios: 1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again 2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong
Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.
The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"
And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
You know what is wonderful? 150 seats - their worst result for a loooooong time - feels like an almost fantasy level of success.
I’d give them 150, if I can pick who they are…
A bad result for sure. Realistically it has been a difficult last few years. If Labour had been in charge during the lockdown I doubt they would be about to win a election.
I’ve missed the debate - was out at a do. Reading this I take it Sunak utterly slaughtered Starmer by behaving like Trump and this will be the day the polls turned, right?
So having not watched the debate and played Age of Wonders instead what I'm picking up is:
People who didn't like Starmer didn't like Starmer. People who didn't like Sunak didn't like Sunak. The BBC still likes the stupid "talk over everyone style of debate" Most people watched the football.
I'm delighted, as I had £1 million in blood diamonds down with Ladbrokes on 26th June. Lucky guess really.
Funny that. I had 15 tons of weapons grade plutonium on the same thing.
Bugger. First I’ll have to collect. And people with large quantities of PU are often surly. God knows why. Then I have to stack it up somewhere. Make a pile….
@PippaCrerar · 1h Tory candidate Philip Davies is latest politician to have bet against himself at election @MrHarryCole reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.
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Who has £8K to spend on gambling on a single bet?
This will finally kill them.
Bloody hell.
Makes discussing the debate a little pointless. £8k? Against himself?!
I’ve missed the debate - was out at a do. Reading this I take it Sunak utterly slaughtered Starmer by behaving like Trump and this will be the day the polls turned, right?
Yes, and no, respectively. No one's listening any more.
Clear win for Sunak there in my view. He was concise, clear, hard hitting and got across all the messages he wanted to wavering ReformUK and redwall switchers to Labour on the risk of higher taxes and increased immigration under a Labour government.
Starmer though did not have a disaster and make a clear offer to voters of more spending and investment in public services under Labour and support for Trans rights and an attempt to get a new deal with the EU
I'm delighted, as I had £1 million in blood diamonds down with Ladbrokes on 26th June. Lucky guess really.
Funny that. I had 15 tons of weapons grade plutonium on the same thing.
Bugger. First I’ll have to collect. And people with large quantities of PU are often surly. God knows why. Then I have to stack it up somewhere. Make a pile….
Have a word with Highways England and buy one of the old raiilway tunnels they sell for a song.
SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.
He's too polite. Needs more umph.
Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.
Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
I don't think Starmer has done worse, I think he's come across calm and like a potential next Prime Minister which is his objective.
He doesn't need to be shrill.
Oh come off it Rishi jockeyed Starmer. He was sublime. Starmer was too polite and got the mother and father of all spankings from both Rishi and Mishal.
SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.
He's too polite. Needs more umph.
Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.
Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
I don't think Starmer has done worse, I think he's come across calm and like a potential next Prime Minister which is his objective.
He doesn't need to be shrill.
Oh come off it Rishi jockeyed Starmer. He was sublime. Starmer was too polite and got the mother and father of all spankings from both Rishi and Mishal.
Starmer was a pussy. On the back foot a lot of the time. What a gimp.
Glad to see Starmer prioritising house building as a priority for young people.
Quite right, too.
The last three governments have all promised that. None has delivered.
And Starmer has a particularly terrible record, even for a politician, of breaking solemn and inviolable promises with those idiotic enough to trust him.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaNzChBiOLM
Ok, you can speak for me too, but stop being sexist!
Seemed to have just disappeared from sale.
Pippa Crerar
@PippaCrerar
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Tory candidate Philip Davies is latest politician to have bet against himself at election
@MrHarryCole
reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.
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Who has £8K to spend on gambling on a single bet?
This will finally kill them.
Very bad people.
@MrHarryCole
reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.
Alex Wickham
@alexwickham
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49m
Starmer slaps down Sunak for interrupting him: "if you listened to more people in the audience and around the country you might not be so out of touch" - applause from audience
Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
"Apsana Begum
@ApsanaBegumMP
As the daughter of Bangladeshi migrants, I am so proud of the East End’s diversity and that our communities include migrants from all around the world.
Let me be very clear: I will never stand by and let migrant communities be scapegoated."
https://x.com/ApsanaBegumMP/status/1805969129989443823
Mrs SKS will need a restraining under on her hubby taking down the young ladies particulars after this ends
Oh sorry you said stop being sexist i missed the stop
A cheap mortgage on a house that is
Mad as cheese.
Uk gov cuts sure start centres. They were warned there would be long term costs. Struggling parents lose support.
UK gov tells councils to sell children’s homes to balance the books because of cuts.
Hedge fund buys council children’s homes and puts up prices.
Horrible number of children of the previously lost generation are feral and need around the clock care.
How exactly is that the fault of council tax payers?
But his opponent is a total tit which is lucky for Starmer
Forget the debate. You what we're going to be doing between here and polling day? Discovering which Tories are next under the cosh for impropriety...
I'm delighted, as I had £1 million in blood diamonds down with Ladbrokes on 26th June. Lucky guess really.
#UtterlyMoving
He doesn't need to be shrill.
Boutros Boutros Ghali.
If its not Sunak by a decent margin the Tories are going to get anhilated.
Clear win for Sunak IMO
THANK FUCK FOR THAT
https://x.com/faytuks/status/1806054992437985583?s=61
Also a touch of the Janis Joplins with Rishi ... "freedom is another word for nothing left to lose".
Thank god for the big poll lead and that polling day is close.
Salty Starmer
People who didn't like Starmer didn't like Starmer.
People who didn't like Sunak didn't like Sunak.
The BBC still likes the stupid "talk over everyone style of debate"
Most people watched the football.
Bugger. First I’ll have to collect. And people with large quantities of PU are often surly. God knows why. Then I have to stack it up somewhere. Make a pile….
Makes discussing the debate a little pointless. £8k? Against himself?!
Bloody hell.
source: https://x.com/TheRickWilson/status/1805802863924326727
(And no doubt displease others. I would like to believe that the first group is larger than the second.)
Starmer though did not have a disaster and make a clear offer to voters of more spending and investment in public services under Labour and support for Trans rights and an attempt to get a new deal with the EU
Quite right, too.
Decisive win for Sunak - 50%
Tory majorit of 704 nailed on
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YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:
Rishi Sunak - 50%
Keir Starmer - 50%
On himself
To lose
And both miles better than that rude arsehole who came out with "are you the best we've got?"
Starmer - Don't do anything to jeopardise the result, come across as Prime Ministerial
Sunak - Get some jibes in and make the Tories the primary alternative to Labour.
At the end of that, I suspect both leaders will be quietly satisfied they both achieved their objective.
(For the record: I really do think someone should ask Trump that boot polish question, though perhaps not in that "debate".)
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1806064283417301213
Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
And Starmer has a particularly terrible record, even for a politician, of breaking solemn and inviolable promises with those idiotic enough to trust him.
So believe them when you see them.
But when it comes to substance, he was just a one trick pony - Tax, Tax Tax.
In contrast, Starmer described a plan for the future of the country.
TBF, I was never quite sure about those insurance products. What was to stop Big Assurance saying it was your own fault you got sacked, so no payout?