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SystemSystem Posts: 12,150
edited July 4 in General
Political betting dominates the news – politicalbetting.com

Excl: Here's what happens if you scrape Betfair data for bets on a July election.This graph cuts off at the end of 21 May, the day before Sunak announced the election.There's a flood of bets that day – before Rishi formally told the cabinet and stood in Downing Street. pic.twitter.com/AfKyzAbDBQ

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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,243
    First - Like Labour
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    2nd. Nicely succinct header.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    Q/ How do plants stay so skinny?

    A/ They eat light
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    It must be my dirty mind, but I read it as: Caesar’s wife and all that jizz.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    Casino_Royale said:

    Not good, since it makes it more likely knee-jerk regulation will come our way.

    Someone needs to be the person to stand up for betters, and especially the way the bookies data mine the hell out of winners to restrict them to pennies.

    Hey bookie, if you’re offering a price you should be offering it to anyone and everyone.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,056
    Has RochdalePioneers given his TV interviews yet? Think he said they were today.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited June 20
    FPT
    bigjohnowls said:

    Anabobazina said:

    wooliedyed said:

    🆕Our latest @moreincommon_ voting intention poll shows a small drop in the Labour vote, now leading the Conservatives by 14.
    🔵 CON 25% (-)
    🔴 LAB 39% (-2)
    🟠 LIB DEM 11% (-)
    🟣 REF UK 14% (-)
    🟢 GRN 5% (-)
    🟡 SNP 3%(+1)
    Dates 17-19/6, N=2035 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin…
    More in Common going against the tide
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1803835335928852843?s=19

    Another static MOE poll.
    Are you going to keep this "MOE" nothing to see here up for another fortnight?

    Lowest Lab lead for 8 months in 2 successive days


    Lab lead dropping the more people see of SKS


    Whats your explanation for the massive falls for LAB from mid 40s to under 40?
    Starmer was the there is no alternative candidate being supported reluctantly as the tories are crap.

    Then we find Fargle hasn't gone away you know...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Q/ How do plants stay so skinny?

    A/ They eat light

    Nah, it’s just Ozempic, same as everyone else.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    edited June 20
    Casino_Royale said:

    It must be my dirty mind, but I read it as: Caesar’s wife and all that jizz.

    Jeez!

    You need to get your mind out of the gutter and have high standards of moral hygiene like I do.

    I am the embodiment of Mary Whitehouse for the modern day.

    I said jeez!

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    FPT

    People probably don’t realise that Chief Superintendent Savage OBE, after achieving a 103% take up of anti-racism courses in his command, has created and led Operation Milk.

    Which is where teams of undercover officers arrest black people at civil rights related demonstrations for ordering or possessing black coffee.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    It must be my dirty mind, but I read it as: Caesar’s wife and all that jizz.

    Jeez!

    You need to get your mind out of the gutter and have high standards of moral hygiene like I do.

    I am the embodiment of Mary Whitehouse for the modern day.

    I said jeez!

    Jeez gromit!!!
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    I'm too innumerate to calculate the numbers of OOM of difference between the money involved in this and, random examples, Mone and Greensill. The ROI on an Eton education is incalculable. I'm guessing these guys went to unacceptably minor public schools and will deservedly end up doing porridge. Serve them right for being middle class.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,008
    Sergey Karaganov and the Age of Wars
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    Casino_Royale said:

    Not good, since it makes it more likely knee-jerk regulation will come our way.

    You forgot that the new regulations will be expensive, make it harder to place bets *and* make fraudulent behaviour easier.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Malmesbury said:

    FPT

    People probably don’t realise that Chief Superintendent Savage OBE, after achieving a 103% take up of anti-racism courses in his command, has created and led Operation Milk.

    Which is where teams of undercover officers arrest black people at civil rights related demonstrations for ordering or possessing black coffee.

    Sometimes comedy sketches are prophetic.

    https://www.awesomecomms.com/phrophetic-satire-constable-pc-savage/
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Malmesbury said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Not good, since it makes it more likely knee-jerk regulation will come our way.

    You forgot that the new regulations will be expensive, make it harder to place bets *and* make fraudulent behaviour easier.
    Like all too many regulations.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Not good, since it makes it more likely knee-jerk regulation will come our way.

    You forgot that the new regulations will be expensive, make it harder to place bets *and* make fraudulent behaviour easier.
    Like all too many regulations.
    Like all regulations.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Sandpit said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Not good, since it makes it more likely knee-jerk regulation will come our way.

    Someone needs to be the person to stand up for betters, and especially the way the bookies data mine the hell out of winners to restrict them to pennies.

    Hey bookie, if you’re offering a price you should be offering it to anyone and everyone.
    Hills have had my balls in a vice since I clawed over £1.6k off them for Liz Truss as next PM.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 639
    Six council by-elections tonight in a varied set of wards.
    https://medium.com/britainelects/previewing-the-six-council-elections-of-20th-june-2024-a619f6f5f1b2

    Guess how many of them have a Reform Candidate? Yes, that's right, 0.

    So we won't be able to glean too much of value about how accurate the polls are.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    Actor Donald Sutherland dies aged 88
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    10 minutes till the Panto audience grills the spanners on QT
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,008
    edited June 20
    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    PJH said:

    Six council by-elections tonight in a varied set of wards.
    https://medium.com/britainelects/previewing-the-six-council-elections-of-20th-june-2024-a619f6f5f1b2

    Guess how many of them have a Reform Candidate? Yes, that's right, 0.

    So we won't be able to glean too much of value about how accurate the polls are.

    Workers managed to front a fella for Sefton, poor show from Reform
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Found one, but it's a few weeks out of date:

    https://youtu.be/wqrVBqnUqac?si=Sd8cN_Y1KDbTA3uE
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited June 20
    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    Not £100....100 whole pounds. I think he would have a heart attack if he saw how much I used to have in play every day. Clue, more than the total for the 21st May.

    Tony Bloom's betting slips were reported to have been in the £10's millions every Saturday.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,075
    wooliedyed said:

    PJH said:

    Six council by-elections tonight in a varied set of wards.
    https://medium.com/britainelects/previewing-the-six-council-elections-of-20th-june-2024-a619f6f5f1b2

    Guess how many of them have a Reform Candidate? Yes, that's right, 0.

    So we won't be able to glean too much of value about how accurate the polls are.

    Workers managed to front a fella for Sefton, poor show from Reform
    Reform ISN'T A REAL PARTY!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    How would you feel if they bet on market sensitive economic news?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,498
    wooliedyed said:

    10 minutes till the Panto audience grills the spanners on QT

    "He's 20 points behind you..."
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,191
    wooliedyed said:

    PJH said:

    Six council by-elections tonight in a varied set of wards.
    https://medium.com/britainelects/previewing-the-six-council-elections-of-20th-june-2024-a619f6f5f1b2

    Guess how many of them have a Reform Candidate? Yes, that's right, 0.

    So we won't be able to glean too much of value about how accurate the polls are.

    Workers managed to front a fella for Sefton, poor show from Reform
    Given that Reform is basically a placeholder for Farage, not that surprising.

    The 2 (yes, 2) council seats that they won in May were due to Havant Labour party being too clever by half with the "only put up a partial slate" gambit.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Stuartinromford said:

    wooliedyed said:

    PJH said:

    Six council by-elections tonight in a varied set of wards.
    https://medium.com/britainelects/previewing-the-six-council-elections-of-20th-june-2024-a619f6f5f1b2

    Guess how many of them have a Reform Candidate? Yes, that's right, 0.

    So we won't be able to glean too much of value about how accurate the polls are.

    Workers managed to front a fella for Sefton, poor show from Reform
    Given that Reform is basically a placeholder for Farage, not that surprising.

    The 2 (yes, 2) council seats that they won in May were due to Havant Labour party being too clever by half with the "only put up a partial slate" gambit.
    Yes, even Galloway won 4 the proper way!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734
    Sporting event of the evening: Lancashire against Yorkshire in the T20 at Headingley. Yorskhire started unspectacularly but now starting to shift ominously through the gears. More entertaining than the turgid dross the England football team served up earlier and less infuriating than the debate. Even if Yorkshire are winning.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,953
    Malmesbury said:

    FPT

    People probably don’t realise that Chief Superintendent Savage OBE, after achieving a 103% take up of anti-racism courses in his command, has created and led Operation Milk.

    Which is where teams of undercover officers arrest black people at civil rights related demonstrations for ordering or possessing black coffee.

    I had a very long argument with someone influential at work once over them disliking black/white as bad/good, and wanting to do silly things. Shall we say that history wasn’t their thing and sense prevailed.

    As Partridge would have it, needless to say I had the last laugh.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/06/20/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-bank-of-england-interest-rate/

    The Bank of England has been accused of making a “political decision” after holding interest rates at a 16-year high despite inflation falling to its target.

    Conservative MPs accused officials on the Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) of being unfairly and unduly swayed by the upcoming election.

    Rishi Sunak’s last hope of a cut to borrowing costs before the general election was dashed on Thursday after the MPC voted to keep interest rates at 5.25pc.

    The decision to maintain borrowing costs at the same level for the seventh consecutive meeting came despite inflation falling back to the Bank’s 2pc target this week.

    (IMHO cutting rates would have been the more political decision, given what we all know is coming down the pipeline).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    What date did the Fink go on a podcast and say he heard the GE was July, but didn't believe it?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,089
    Cookie said:

    Sporting event of the evening: Lancashire against Yorkshire in the T20 at Headingley. Yorskhire started unspectacularly but now starting to shift ominously through the gears. More entertaining than the turgid dross the England football team served up earlier and less infuriating than the debate. Even if Yorkshire are winning.

    Raining in North Notts no idea if it will head towards Headingley
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Actor Donald Sutherland dies aged 88

    Wonderful actor. Who could forget him in Kelly’s Heroes?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Casino_Royale said:

    It must be my dirty mind, but I read it as: Caesar’s wife and all that jizz.

    Sounds like one of those specialist motion pictures one might see in a Soho store
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,008
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    How would you feel if they bet on market sensitive economic news?
    • Again: fixed-odds or exchange betting are not spread-betting and you are allowed to do it under law.
    • My "feelings" about it are not relevant: as somebody once said (I think it was JSMill, but apologies if it was Ayn Rand) "if it's legal you are allowed to advocate for it". Despite the best efforts of Labour and the Conservatives, it is still - by the skin of its teeth - a free country in some respects and those respects should be cherished.
    • If a bookmaker is foolish enough to to offer fixed-odds bets or host exchange bets on - say - the value of USD in six-months they deserve everything they get. The fact that they don't do that but instead offer options and futures - a different category - illustrates this.
    (sorry, the answer to your question is "I wouldn't care")
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    The Lib Dems want to compensate WASPI women? Ridiculous.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    Impressively incoherent, what are you actually saying? Shopping is legal, shoplifting is not. Nobody should be betting in such a way that they are likely to lose more they can afford. For 99.x% of gamblers the only way to achieve that is to bet pocket money.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,953
    ydoethur said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Actor Donald Sutherland dies aged 88

    Wonderful actor. Who could forget him in Kelly’s Heroes?
    MASH. In the end, Alan Alda was better, but the film was great.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,702
    tlg86 said:

    The Lib Dems want to compensate WASPI women? Ridiculous.

    I agree - though for the record he said £10bn.

    I think they are claiming £50bn.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492
    Sandpit said:

    Former Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte to become new NATO secretary general.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/20/rutte-to-land-natos-top-job-after-lone-rival-drops-out/

    A strong supporter of Ukraine.

    Netherlands is still waiting for a new PM 7 months after the election.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    tlg86 said:

    The Lib Dems want to compensate WASPI women? Ridiculous.

    LDs and Galloway in agreement!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    What's the noise in the background? Sounds like a demo or something.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,191
    tlg86 said:

    The Lib Dems want to compensate WASPI women? Ridiculous.

    The lavishness of a politician's promises are inversely proportional to the probability that they will be in a position to deliver them.

    (Clegg got destroyed by being ambushed by that rule. It's also a secondary but significant factor in Johnson's downfall.)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,651
    Ed Davey doing well so far
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734
    tlg86 said:

    The Lib Dems want to compensate WASPI women? Ridiculous.

    Why the fuck does this ridiculous pressure group still get treated with any seriousness? They are worse than Just Stop Oil.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    What date did the Fink go on a podcast and say he heard the GE was July, but didn't believe it?

    21st May.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cO533M9rFI
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753
    Casino_Royale said:

    Sandpit said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Not good, since it makes it more likely knee-jerk regulation will come our way.

    Someone needs to be the person to stand up for betters, and especially the way the bookies data mine the hell out of winners to restrict them to pennies.

    Hey bookie, if you’re offering a price you should be offering it to anyone and everyone.
    Hills have had my balls in a vice since I clawed over £1.6k off them for Liz Truss as next PM.
    I had a £10 bet knocked back to 87p (which I declined) this very afternoon.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    How would you feel if they bet on market sensitive economic news?
    • Again: fixed-odds or exchange betting are not spread-betting and you are allowed to do it under law.
    • My "feelings" about it are not relevant: as somebody once said (I think it was JSMill, but apologies if it was Ayn Rand) "if it's legal you are allowed to advocate for it". Despite the best efforts of Labour and the Conservatives, it is still - by the skin of its teeth - a free country in some respects and those respects should be cherished.
    • If a bookmaker is foolish enough to to offer fixed-odds bets or host exchange bets on - say - the value of USD in six-months they deserve everything they get. The fact that they don't do that but instead offer options and futures - a different category - illustrates this.
    (sorry, the answer to your question is "I wouldn't care")
    Perhaps you are not a serious gambler? I occasionally lay on bfx and therefore feel quite strongly about welshing backers. Again, you are not engaging with the point. Everyone is saying SHOPLIFTING, and your response is that SHOPPING IS LEGAL. The relevance of your fixed odds vs pari mutuel distinction also beats me.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,702
    Looks like there is a lot of security on concourse behind the audience.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    Andy_JS said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    What date did the Fink go on a podcast and say he heard the GE was July, but didn't believe it?

    21st May.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cO533M9rFI
    So when clearly other people had heard it was on like Fat Pat's thong.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    biggles said:

    Malmesbury said:

    FPT

    People probably don’t realise that Chief Superintendent Savage OBE, after achieving a 103% take up of anti-racism courses in his command, has created and led Operation Milk.

    Which is where teams of undercover officers arrest black people at civil rights related demonstrations for ordering or possessing black coffee.

    I had a very long argument with someone influential at work once over them disliking black/white as bad/good, and wanting to do silly things. Shall we say that history wasn’t their thing and sense prevailed.

    As Partridge would have it, needless to say I had the last laugh.
    Whatever they said is reprehensible to someone. I would introduce them to the ancient art of blackmail.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Sandpit said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Not good, since it makes it more likely knee-jerk regulation will come our way.

    Someone needs to be the person to stand up for betters, and especially the way the bookies data mine the hell out of winners to restrict them to pennies.

    Hey bookie, if you’re offering a price you should be offering it to anyone and everyone.
    Hills have had my balls in a vice since I clawed over £1.6k off them for Liz Truss as next PM.
    I had a £10 bet knocked back to 87p (which I declined) this very afternoon.
    If you really think Truss will still be next PM, they should have taken your £10.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,008
    Tweedledee said:

    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    Impressively incoherent, what are you actually saying?...
    Of all the accusations that could be levelled at that cri de coeur, "lack of clarity" is not one of them
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    viewcode said:

    Tweedledee said:

    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    Impressively incoherent, what are you actually saying?...
    Of all the accusations that could be levelled at that cri de coeur, "lack of clarity" is not one of them
    You don't get to mark your own homework. It is barking. Trust me on this.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    If Nadine Dorries is right then I may die of happiness this weekend.

    Will Sunak step down at the weekend and ask @David_Cameron to step in?

    Would he rather be an MP who loses his seat rather than the first PM to lose in living history?

    The day after the night before is an issue. The party will be in free fall.

    DC won’t want to do so but he is a man who has a strong sense of public duty and experience who would put party before self.

    Just a thought …

    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1803732654258340277
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Nadine Dorries is right then I may die of happiness this weekend.

    Will Sunak step down at the weekend and ask @David_Cameron to step in?

    Would he rather be an MP who loses his seat rather than the first PM to lose in living history?

    The day after the night before is an issue. The party will be in free fall.

    DC won’t want to do so but he is a man who has a strong sense of public duty and experience who would put party before self.

    Just a thought …

    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1803732654258340277

    She knows a fair bit about stepping down at awkward moments enabling Labour to win.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,556
    DougSeal said:

    RIP Donald Sutherland. He was my favourite Blofeld in ‘You Only Live Twice’ and, more recently, knocked it out of the park as Jack Bauer in ‘24’. An exceptionally long and versatile career.

    I'm curious as to whether you are parodying someone, being ironic or simply don't know what you're talking about.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492
    CatMan said:

    Has RochdalePioneers given his TV interviews yet? Think he said they were today.

    Yes he has.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Nadine Dorries is right then I may die of happiness this weekend.

    Will Sunak step down at the weekend and ask @David_Cameron to step in?

    Would he rather be an MP who loses his seat rather than the first PM to lose in living history?

    The day after the night before is an issue. The party will be in free fall.

    DC won’t want to do so but he is a man who has a strong sense of public duty and experience who would put party before self.

    Just a thought …

    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1803732654258340277

    I stopped reading after your fifth word.
    Rookie mistake.

    You should read all my words, they are solid gold.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Nadine Dorries is right then I may die of happiness this weekend.

    Will Sunak step down at the weekend and ask @David_Cameron to step in?

    Would he rather be an MP who loses his seat rather than the first PM to lose in living history?

    The day after the night before is an issue. The party will be in free fall.

    DC won’t want to do so but he is a man who has a strong sense of public duty and experience who would put party before self.

    Just a thought …

    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1803732654258340277

    So Mr TSE what first attracted you to the Mone ennobling, Brexit enabling, Greensill ramping, forehead-polishing, Old Etonian David Cameron?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Nadine Dorries is right then I may die of happiness this weekend.

    Will Sunak step down at the weekend and ask @David_Cameron to step in?

    Would he rather be an MP who loses his seat rather than the first PM to lose in living history?

    The day after the night before is an issue. The party will be in free fall.

    DC won’t want to do so but he is a man who has a strong sense of public duty and experience who would put party before self.

    Just a thought …

    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1803732654258340277

    I stopped reading after your fifth word.
    🤣🤣🤣
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    Tweedledee said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Nadine Dorries is right then I may die of happiness this weekend.

    Will Sunak step down at the weekend and ask @David_Cameron to step in?

    Would he rather be an MP who loses his seat rather than the first PM to lose in living history?

    The day after the night before is an issue. The party will be in free fall.

    DC won’t want to do so but he is a man who has a strong sense of public duty and experience who would put party before self.

    Just a thought …

    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1803732654258340277

    So Mr TSE what first attracted you to the Mone ennobling, Brexit enabling, Greensill ramping, forehead-polishing, Old Etonian David Cameron?
    His devotion to duty and his family.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,933
    Malmesbury said:

    a

    Nigelb said:

    RIP Donald S.
    Negative vibes, man.

    "Hunger Games actor", as he's described in various headlines, really doesn't do him justice.
    Great actor.

    Negative *waves*

    I can get 60 feet of bridge nearly anywhere…
    Waves and vibration are, of course, pretty much the same thing.

    You clearly require reminding of this with some frequency.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    Not £100....100 whole pounds. I think he would have a heart attack if he saw how much I used to have in play every day. Clue, more than the total for the 21st May.

    Tony Bloom's betting slips were reported to have been in the £10's millions every Saturday.
    I find it rather mind boggling how trivial the amounts involved are compared to how obviously terrible this looks for an election candidate.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,008
    Tweedledee said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    How would you feel if they bet on market sensitive economic news?
    • Again: fixed-odds or exchange betting are not spread-betting and you are allowed to do it under law.
    • My "feelings" about it are not relevant: as somebody once said (I think it was JSMill, but apologies if it was Ayn Rand) "if it's legal you are allowed to advocate for it". Despite the best efforts of Labour and the Conservatives, it is still - by the skin of its teeth - a free country in some respects and those respects should be cherished.
    • If a bookmaker is foolish enough to to offer fixed-odds bets or host exchange bets on - say - the value of USD in six-months they deserve everything they get. The fact that they don't do that but instead offer options and futures - a different category - illustrates this.
    (sorry, the answer to your question is "I wouldn't care")
    Perhaps you are not a serious gambler? I occasionally lay on bfx and therefore feel quite strongly about welshing backers. Again, you are not engaging with the point. Everyone is saying SHOPLIFTING, and your response is that SHOPPING IS LEGAL. The relevance of your fixed odds vs pari mutuel distinction also beats me.
    • "Welshing" means "not paying up".
    • They didn't cheat. They played within the rules of the game known to both parties at the time of the bet. There was no crime, so the SHOPLIFTING analogy is wrong.
    • The financial market regulation is (or at least was about five years ago) different between fixed-odds betting (eg Ladbrokes) and exchange betting (eg Betfair Exchange) and British spread betting (eg IG Index) and options and futures (I forget the firm I use)
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    It occurs to me that no one senior in the main parties (as far as I know) has criticised Sunaks sudden decision to ask the King for a dissolution without even consulting the cabinet.

    So did Sunak go to the King and ask for a dissolution or did the King summon Sunak and suggest a dissolution for health reasons?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,404
    Can I just say how much I love this header. Classic TSE (and as it happens I agree with it)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited June 20
    Gaussian said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    Not £100....100 whole pounds. I think he would have a heart attack if he saw how much I used to have in play every day. Clue, more than the total for the 21st May.

    Tony Bloom's betting slips were reported to have been in the £10's millions every Saturday.
    I find it rather mind boggling how trivial the amounts involved are compared to how obviously terrible this looks for an election candidate.
    Its absolutely moronic. There is no real liquidity in these novelty markets, so there isn't even life changing money on the line. So you risk this for a few £100. You got to be an absolute brain dead. That spike to several £1000 staked in one day will have already set off alarm bells at the bookies.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tweedledee said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Nadine Dorries is right then I may die of happiness this weekend.

    Will Sunak step down at the weekend and ask @David_Cameron to step in?

    Would he rather be an MP who loses his seat rather than the first PM to lose in living history?

    The day after the night before is an issue. The party will be in free fall.

    DC won’t want to do so but he is a man who has a strong sense of public duty and experience who would put party before self.

    Just a thought …

    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1803732654258340277

    So Mr TSE what first attracted you to the Mone ennobling, Brexit enabling, Greensill ramping, forehead-polishing, Old Etonian David Cameron?
    His devotion to duty and his family.
    Devotion to duty.

    "Sorry Remain lost. I'm off."
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,191
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Nadine Dorries is right then I may die of happiness this weekend.

    Will Sunak step down at the weekend and ask @David_Cameron to step in?

    Would he rather be an MP who loses his seat rather than the first PM to lose in living history?

    The day after the night before is an issue. The party will be in free fall.

    DC won’t want to do so but he is a man who has a strong sense of public duty and experience who would put party before self.

    Just a thought …

    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1803732654258340277

    She knows a fair bit about stepping down at awkward moments enabling Labour to win.
    Though not, it seems, about the difficulty of moving from one chamber to the other. Which she ought to have expertise of.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    DougSeal said:

    RIP Donald Sutherland. He was my favourite Blofeld in ‘You Only Live Twice’ and, more recently, knocked it out of the park as Jack Bauer in ‘24’. An exceptionally long and versatile career.

    Donald Pleasance was Blofeld in YOLT.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    It occurs to me that no one senior in the main parties (as far as I know) has criticised Sunaks sudden decision to ask the King for a dissolution without even consulting the cabinet.

    So did Sunak go to the King and ask for a dissolution or did the King summon Sunak and suggest a dissolution for health reasons?

    Yup, I had thought that. Then again, opposition parties are obliged to say The country is crying out for change, so it never looks great saying Look at you giving the country an early opportunity to vote for change
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492
    edited June 20
    Average latest 10 polls (excl. MRPs)

    Lab 40.7%
    Con 19.5%
    Ref 17.8%
    LD 11.3%
    Grn 5.8%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_Kingdom_general_election#National_poll_results

    Baxtered

    Lab 480
    LD 61
    Con 57
    SNP 21
    Ref 5
    Grn 2

    Lab maj 310
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 3,578
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Q/ How do plants stay so skinny?

    A/ They eat light

    My God you post tripe.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,008
    DougSeal said:

    RIP Donald Sutherland. He was my favourite Blofeld in ‘You Only Live Twice’ and, more recently, knocked it out of the park as Jack Bauer in ‘24’. An exceptionally long and versatile career.

    His drama about Scottish law in the 1970's was also impressive, and his method acting as a Westminster constituency from 1801–1918 had to be seen to be believed.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Sandpit said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Not good, since it makes it more likely knee-jerk regulation will come our way.

    Someone needs to be the person to stand up for betters, and especially the way the bookies data mine the hell out of winners to restrict them to pennies.

    Hey bookie, if you’re offering a price you should be offering it to anyone and everyone.
    Hills have had my balls in a vice since I clawed over £1.6k off them for Liz Truss as next PM.
    I had a £10 bet knocked back to 87p (which I declined) this very afternoon.
    That’s the sort of crap that should be illegal. Any reputable bookie should be able to stand hundreds at any given price for any market.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 963
    https://x.com/MarcherReborn/status/1803841220625510886

    Reform will win at least a dozen seats. I'm convinced
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,651
    Eds time is up
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tweedledee said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Nadine Dorries is right then I may die of happiness this weekend.

    Will Sunak step down at the weekend and ask @David_Cameron to step in?

    Would he rather be an MP who loses his seat rather than the first PM to lose in living history?

    The day after the night before is an issue. The party will be in free fall.

    DC won’t want to do so but he is a man who has a strong sense of public duty and experience who would put party before self.

    Just a thought …

    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1803732654258340277

    So Mr TSE what first attracted you to the Mone ennobling, Brexit enabling, Greensill ramping, forehead-polishing, Old Etonian David Cameron?
    His devotion to duty and his family.
    Devotion to duty.

    "Sorry Remain lost. I'm off."
    I'll let you into a little secret, had he not have retired, plenty of Tory MPs were prepared to force him out and they have enough numbers to damage him.

    He decided to not prolong the agony.
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 478
    "For a lot of the current Tories ethics is a county in the East of England where a lot of the young ladies look like wotsits. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should do it."

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    bigjohnowls said:

    Eds time is up

    Thought he was quite good.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,702
    Let's just borrow another £6bn per year - for just one policy.

    Just like that.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,056
    Andy_JS said:

    CatMan said:

    Has RochdalePioneers given his TV interviews yet? Think he said they were today.

    Yes he has.
    Ah cool! Hope someone saves them for later consumption.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tweedledee said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Nadine Dorries is right then I may die of happiness this weekend.

    Will Sunak step down at the weekend and ask @David_Cameron to step in?

    Would he rather be an MP who loses his seat rather than the first PM to lose in living history?

    The day after the night before is an issue. The party will be in free fall.

    DC won’t want to do so but he is a man who has a strong sense of public duty and experience who would put party before self.

    Just a thought …

    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1803732654258340277

    So Mr TSE what first attracted you to the Mone ennobling, Brexit enabling, Greensill ramping, forehead-polishing, Old Etonian David Cameron?
    His devotion to duty and his family.
    Devotion to duty.

    "Sorry Remain lost. I'm off."
    I owe it to myself to seal the Greensill deal. Also did we leave the kids in the pub?
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Sandpit said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Sandpit said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Not good, since it makes it more likely knee-jerk regulation will come our way.

    Someone needs to be the person to stand up for betters, and especially the way the bookies data mine the hell out of winners to restrict them to pennies.

    Hey bookie, if you’re offering a price you should be offering it to anyone and everyone.
    Hills have had my balls in a vice since I clawed over £1.6k off them for Liz Truss as next PM.
    I had a £10 bet knocked back to 87p (which I declined) this very afternoon.
    That’s the sort of crap that should be illegal. Any reputable bookie should be able to stand hundreds at any given price for any market.
    The best advert for Piers Corbyns weather forecasts is that he set his company up after his income stream from betting on the weather dried up after he cleaned out the bookies once too often and got the ban hammer.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited June 20
    RobD said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Eds time is up

    Thought he was quite good.
    Paragon of unbiased views Harry Cole says he got duffed up
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,008
    Tweedledee said:

    viewcode said:

    Tweedledee said:

    viewcode said:

    I count myself accursed that this dipshit middle-class morality still holds sway in the UK

    "...Jim Waterson·Jun 20, 2024 @jimwaterson. For the first four months of the year people are gambling a few quid here and there on July. It's just messing about. People are having fun and guessing..."

    It isn't messing about you [rudeword][rudeword]. If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing seriously. I *LOATHE* this "only messing about/a bit of fun" dipshittery. There are many things about Britain that I hate, and this middle-class blue-shirted open-collar pious commentariat cohort is one of them, where nothing ever really matters, nothing is ever taken seriously, nobody is held to account, and politics is just a podcast. GAMBLING IS LEGAL. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

    [rudeword that gets you banned from PB]

    Impressively incoherent, what are you actually saying?...
    Of all the accusations that could be levelled at that cri de coeur, "lack of clarity" is not one of them
    You don't get to mark your own homework. It is barking. Trust me on this.
    Intense, yes. Incoherent, no.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    Been resisting bringing this up, but I'm going to. Others may remember/know differently, but I'm sure OGH said he had sight of the 2010 Exit Poll at around 21:30 when he was at the BBC about to be interviewed by 5Live or something, but he said he wasn't in a position to do anything with it (I guess pre-smart phone). Perhaps he wouldn't have done anything, but if I remember rightly, he said it with frustration that he couldn't take advantage. I may be wrong.

    I only remember this story because I was shocked that the Exit Poll isn't top secret. Perhaps things are different these days with smart phones making betting on this sort of information being much easier.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/MarcherReborn/status/1803841220625510886

    Reform will win at least a dozen seats. I'm convinced

    I think you're right and a couple will be red wall
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