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  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    David Cameron said if immigration wasn't down to tens of thousands by May 2015 he should be kicked out of Downing St

    That's all Ukip need to campaign on. What can he say

    "I didn't mean it"

    Or

    "I failed"
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,713

    Countries trying to get Gold back from the US like Germany did a while back -good luck with that: http://rt.com/business/209591-gold-europe-gold-repatriation/

    Does anyone know how much they're 'looking after' on our behalf?

    I wonder how often gold is wheeled around from one country's section of the vaults to another these days? I think that was the original reason for having these distributions.

    It seems odd that everyone wants to hold many tons of this shiny rubbish! Most of its value comes from the fact that people hoard it.

  • I've come to the conclusion that the Kippers will take a referendum defeat with less grace than the Nats and demand more plebiscites until they got the right result.

    Where would they get an idea like that from I wonder?
    From the out of touch Nats.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    The Telegraph have got an English medieval history quiz running this morning. Only ten questions all so dreadfully easy that a reasonably educated person should score 10/10.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/uk/11258372/The-worlds-most-gruesome-history-quiz.html
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    And last week
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284
    edited November 2014

    Omnium said:

    Countries trying to get Gold back from the US like Germany did a while back -good luck with that: http://rt.com/business/209591-gold-europe-gold-repatriation/

    Does anyone know how much they're 'looking after' on our behalf?

    I wonder how often gold is wheeled around from one country's section of the vaults to another these days? I think that was the original reason for having these distributions.

    It seems odd that everyone wants to hold many tons of this shiny rubbish! Most of its value comes from the fact that people hoard it.

    It would appear to be all one way traffic at the moment: http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/21/the-latest-heist-us-quietly-snatches-the-ukraines-gold-reserves/
  • And last week
    Not last week as the story only happened this week.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Todays Populus Ed is Crap is Landslide PM

    LAB 354 CON 249 LD 21 EICILPM

    I notice you've picked the only polling company that has put Labour on more than 35% in the last few weeks.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    “I believe that will mean net migration to this country will be in the order of tens of thousands each year, not the hundreds of thousands every year that we have seen over the last decade. Britain will always be open to the best and brightest from around the world and those fleeing persecution. But with us, our borders will be under control and immigration will be at levels our country can manage. No ifs. No buts. That’s a promise we made to the British people, and it’s a promise we are keeping.”
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    No ifs, no buts.

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    The example shows what a bad thing party lists are. Favourits of the leader get put at the top, just after him, and you get crass numpties spouting about 'ting tongs' as a result.

    From what Mr S suggests it looks as if farage is displaying clear signs of (Gordon) Brownness.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,713

    The Telegraph have got an English medieval history quiz running this morning. Only ten questions all so dreadfully easy that a reasonably educated person should score 10/10.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/uk/11258372/The-worlds-most-gruesome-history-quiz.html

    That's quite hard - I got 7, but I had some lucky hunches/long forgotten memories.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Countries trying to get Gold back from the US like Germany did a while back -good luck with that: http://rt.com/business/209591-gold-europe-gold-repatriation/

    Does anyone know how much they're 'looking after' on our behalf?

    Why would we store in the US? The BoE is a bullion repository in it's won right.
  • Interesting to see how the votes are being distributed in that poll Shadsy posted earlier:

    Lib Dem (68):
    SNP - 10
    Con - 11
    Lab - 16
    Green - 11
    Ind - 9

    Green (208)
    SNP - 87
    Con - 17
    Lab - 33
    Ind - 42

    Next out - Con - who'l benefit, Tartan Tories or Unionists?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Is there anything wrong about talking about it tomorrow as well? Would you rather the crass stupidity of UKIP were forgotten? What about Mrs 'ting tong'?? Yes I'm sure you would like to forget that.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284

    Countries trying to get Gold back from the US like Germany did a while back -good luck with that: http://rt.com/business/209591-gold-europe-gold-repatriation/

    Does anyone know how much they're 'looking after' on our behalf?

    Why would we store in the US? The BoE is a bullion repository in it's won right.
    Why would anyone? I have no idea. Germany has managed to secure back only 5 tonnes out of 350 or something it asked for, and that itself I seem to remember wasn't the actual article that they put in.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Countries trying to get Gold back from the US like Germany did a while back -good luck with that: http://rt.com/business/209591-gold-europe-gold-repatriation/

    Does anyone know how much they're 'looking after' on our behalf?

    Why would we store in the US? The BoE is a bullion repository in it's won right.
    Why would anyone? I have no idea. Germany has managed to secure back only 5 tonnes out of 350 or something it asked for, and that itself I seem to remember wasn't the actual article that they put in.
    The Germans and others were worried about Soviet invasion, and it getting stolen by them.
  • Is there anything wrong about talking about it tomorrow as well? Would you rather the crass stupidity of UKIP were forgotten? What about Mrs 'ting tong'?? Yes I'm sure you would like to forget that.
    And I bet you don't want to forget that the BBC invented the racist caricature Ting Tong in the "Little Britain" sketch show!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,660
    edited November 2014

    Interesting to see how the votes are being distributed in that poll Shadsy posted earlier:

    Lib Dem (68):
    SNP - 10
    Con - 11
    Lab - 16
    Green - 11
    Ind - 9

    Green (208)
    SNP - 87
    Con - 17
    Lab - 33
    Ind - 42

    Next out - Con - who'l benefit, Tartan Tories or Unionists?

    Looks as if the voters are not, unlike the Unionists, refighting indyref.

    http://www.midlothianadvertiser.co.uk/news/local-news/live-midlothian-east-by-election-1-3619025
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    The Telegraph have got an English medieval history quiz running this morning. Only ten questions all so dreadfully easy that a reasonably educated person should score 10/10.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/uk/11258372/The-worlds-most-gruesome-history-quiz.html

    7/10 :( Back to skool!
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited November 2014

    Countries trying to get Gold back from the US like Germany did a while back -good luck with that: http://rt.com/business/209591-gold-europe-gold-repatriation/

    Does anyone know how much they're 'looking after' on our behalf?

    Why would we store in the US? The BoE is a bullion repository in it's won right.
    Why would anyone? I have no idea. Germany has managed to secure back only 5 tonnes out of 350 or something it asked for, and that itself I seem to remember wasn't the actual article that they put in.
    Security, and proximity to the key financial centres for transfers between nations. I'd be surprised if we had any in the US.
  • I've come to the conclusion that the Kippers will take a referendum defeat with less grace than the Nats and demand more plebiscites until they got the right result.

    Where would they get an idea like that from I wonder?
    From the out of touch Nats.
    The EU is a fan of repeat referenda!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284

    I've come to the conclusion that the Kippers will take a referendum defeat with less grace than the Nats and demand more plebiscites until they got the right result.

    Where would they get an idea like that from I wonder?
    From the out of touch Nats.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU5mOT57ghM

    Incorrect I'm afraid -the correct answer is the EU, so I don't really see why they shouldn't be hoisted with their own petard.

  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    I've come to the conclusion that the Kippers will take a referendum defeat with less grace than the Nats and demand more plebiscites until they got the right result.

    Where would they get an idea like that from I wonder?
    From the out of touch Nats.
    The EU is a fan of repeat referenda!
    Cos it's the EU that holds those referenda?
  • I've come to the conclusion that the Kippers will take a referendum defeat with less grace than the Nats and demand more plebiscites until they got the right result.

    Where would they get an idea like that from I wonder?
    From the out of touch Nats.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU5mOT57ghM

    Incorrect I'm afraid -the correct answer is the EU, so I don't really see why they shouldn't be hoisted with their own petard.

    Thanks for confirming the kippers won't accept the result unless it is the right won.

    Kippers aren't democrats.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Is there anything wrong about talking about it tomorrow as well? Would you rather the crass stupidity of UKIP were forgotten? What about Mrs 'ting tong'?? Yes I'm sure you would like to forget that.
    Sounds like it must be time to reminiss about Back To Basics or Arms To Iraq, or various perjury trials, lots of fun to have there.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,292
    @Carlotta, message for you via vanilla.

    Interesting to see how the votes are being distributed in that poll Shadsy posted earlier:

    Lib Dem (68):
    SNP - 10
    Con - 11
    Lab - 16
    Green - 11
    Ind - 9

    Green (208)
    SNP - 87
    Con - 17
    Lab - 33
    Ind - 42

    Next out - Con - who'l benefit, Tartan Tories or Unionists?

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    And last week
    Not last week as the story only happened this week.
    Was really only this week? My apologies. When people start to recycle news stories I tend to forget when exactly they first surfaced. For sure this is the third time that this one has been brought up on here.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284
    Socrates said:

    Countries trying to get Gold back from the US like Germany did a while back -good luck with that: http://rt.com/business/209591-gold-europe-gold-repatriation/

    Does anyone know how much they're 'looking after' on our behalf?

    Why would we store in the US? The BoE is a bullion repository in it's won right.
    Why would anyone? I have no idea. Germany has managed to secure back only 5 tonnes out of 350 or something it asked for, and that itself I seem to remember wasn't the actual article that they put in.
    The Germans and others were worried about Soviet invasion, and it getting stolen by them.
    How ironic.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    Why did Dave go and make himself a complete hostage to fortune over immigration ?!

    "No ifs, no buts" I mean he didn't even allow himself any wiggle room.

    And this is worse than his "cast iron" Lisbon Treaty - Labour were in power when Gordo signed the scrap of paper but so far as I'm aware there has been no change in Gov't from 2011 to 2014.

    "That's a promise we made to the British people."

    Or was he just saying what he THOUGHT THE BRITISH PUBLIC WANTED TO HEAR ?!

    That is no basis on which to make speeches and pledges.He has zero credibility on the issue now. None, zilch, nada, zip.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,660

    The Telegraph have got an English medieval history quiz running this morning. Only ten questions all so dreadfully easy that a reasonably educated person should score 10/10.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/uk/11258372/The-worlds-most-gruesome-history-quiz.html

    7/10 :( Back to skool!
    To be fair one of those questions was about a Norman French king who died in France and just happened to have England amongst his domains!
  • It's a good example of seeing 'bias' where you expect to find it and not getting confused by the facts.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Pulpstar said:


    Or was he just saying what he THOUGHT THE BRITISH PUBLIC WANTED TO HEAR ?!

    That is no basis on which to make speeches and pledges.

    Works for Forage.
  • Indigo said:

    Bottler Forage? Probably got windy at the thought of Expenses not Allowances, and having to do some local constituency work.

    I know a few people here (not least OGH) detest UKIP and Farage, but lets be just a tiny bit realistic about it, if Farage is at a meeting of local business leaders in the constituency, its quite likely its been in their diaries for a couple of weeks at least. Suggesting he pulling the trip out of the hat at the last minute because of a poll or his expenses does sounds a touch strained.
    Naive my friend. Politicos can get moving very fast if they fear they might be in trouble.

    Even so to have gone for so long not visiting the seat shows an arrogance and naivety. Remember this is the guy who though the best place for him on GE10 election day was in a plane flying above.
    He needed an excuse for losing. He managed the incredible feat of coming a poor second in a one-horse race.

  • And last week
    Not last week as the story only happened this week.
    Was really only this week? My apologies. When people start to recycle news stories I tend to forget when exactly they first surfaced. For sure this is the third time that this one has been brought up on here.
    I remember the date because one of the Kippers on here said Westminster Cathedral would become a mosque because of the LibLabCons.

    You never forget comedy gold like that.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    'TOPPING@ at 1.49 -- ''But no. They seem determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.''

    I think your comments are right.
    Its one thing to be a pressure group. It is quite legitimate to want to leave the EU or reform it. or have any view you like. We can ignore the fact that if we leave it will in effect make little real difference.
    However its absurd to actively seek to destroy the pary that can achieve your supposed aims.

    But for kippers the EU is just a means to an end - an end which is clearly increasingly racist in its ambition. 'Immigration' is just another hysteric dog whistle for racism with islam thrown in as a buy one get one free bonus. St Nigel professes his innocence but he is happy to play on the racist fears and prejudices of his supporters. He grovels amongs the lowest common stinking denominator of politics.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,426

    I reckon more Kippers were planning on turning up to Dirty Dicks, thought it was a Mosque and decided not to turn up.
    When UKIP underwhelm next May, it can argue that the polling stations were all in what looked like mosques....

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034

    Pulpstar said:


    Or was he just saying what he THOUGHT THE BRITISH PUBLIC WANTED TO HEAR ?!

    That is no basis on which to make speeches and pledges.

    Works for Forage.
    Has he broken a "promise to the British people" yet :) ?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    And last week
    Not last week as the story only happened this week.
    Was really only this week? My apologies. When people start to recycle news stories I tend to forget when exactly they first surfaced. For sure this is the third time that this one has been brought up on here.
    I remember the date because one of the Kippers on here said Westminster Cathedral would become a mosque because of the LibLabCons.

    You never forget comedy gold like that.
    Almost as comedy as you thinking one person equates to 93% of UKIP supporters.
  • Socrates said:

    And last week
    Not last week as the story only happened this week.
    Was really only this week? My apologies. When people start to recycle news stories I tend to forget when exactly they first surfaced. For sure this is the third time that this one has been brought up on here.
    I remember the date because one of the Kippers on here said Westminster Cathedral would become a mosque because of the LibLabCons.

    You never forget comedy gold like that.
    Almost as comedy as you thinking one person equates to 93% of UKIP supporters.
    Nope. All Kippers. Except Sunil. He has a PHd
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Socrates said:

    TGOHF said:

    Socrates said:

    TOPPING said:

    Socrates said:

    @isam 48% to 32% is a huge lead for the out camp. And that was BEFORE Cameron has said he isn't going to limit EU immigration.

    WILL YOU LOT EVER TAKE YES FOR AN ANSWER?????

    Ahem.

    Out leads. Fantastic! That means that a Cons govt will deliver a referendum which will deliver an OUT vote.

    Get campaigning/leafleting/perhaps you could do some tele-canvassing - get in touch with CCHQ, they will guide you.

    I mean you lot want out of the EU don't you?? You don't give a tinker's cuss one way or another about working tax credits or the internal market or widening the A14. It's all about Europe and Cam's perfect storm has arrived. We as a nation would prefer to be out.

    But no.

    You want to go and not have that referendum and not get us out of here because in 2035 you think you might have a shot at holding the balance of power.
    You still believe David "no ifs, no buts" Cameron means what he says when makes pledges? Bless.
    Who can forget him reneging on the Sindy ref pledge - oh wait.
    Was that before or after he capped the EU budget, or blocked the fiscal pact, or didn't hand over any significant powers, or didn't pay the EU shakedown? I forget.
    Endless inventions.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    The Evening Standard, unlike pb, paying attention to the big issues:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3iOTQ_IEAIf7sr.jpg
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited November 2014
    Admittedly just a rumour, combined with poor polling for Thanet South, - but if Farage did intend to withdraw, then he’s left things rather late in the day to find another constituency – IMHO, he either stands @ThanetS or not at all.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162
    Socrates said:

    God, you're spinning endless anti-UKIP today, desperately trying to avoid the pro-UKIP narrative of today's news.
    Lol the Irony of the man who's been spinning like a whirling dervisher all day about the Cameron speech.
  • Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Indigo said:

    TOPPING said:

    Socrates said:

    @isam 48% to 32% is a huge lead for the out camp. And that was BEFORE Cameron has said he isn't going to limit EU immigration.

    WILL YOU LOT EVER TAKE YES FOR AN ANSWER?????

    Ahem.

    Out leads. Fantastic! That means that a Cons govt will deliver a referendum which will deliver an OUT vote.

    Get campaigning/leafleting/perhaps you could do some tele-canvassing - get in touch with CCHQ, they will guide you.

    I mean you lot want out of the EU don't you?? You don't give a tinker's cuss one way or another about working tax credits or the internal market or widening the A14. It's all about Europe and Cam's perfect storm has arrived. We as a nation would prefer to be out.

    But no.

    You want to go and not have that referendum and not get us out of here because in 2035 you think you might have a shot at holding the balance of power.
    Do you think Cameron would have got anywhere near saying what he did, or come to that would have promised a referendum if UKIP wasn't breathing down his neck ? You might want to review this to remind yourself of how his views on the EU have changed as the threat became more obvious.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11259224/David-Cameron-The-journey-from-immigration-dove-to-immigration-hawk.html
    Indigo said:

    TOPPING said:

    Socrates said:

    @isam 48% to 32% is a huge lead for the out camp. And that was BEFORE Cameron has said he isn't going to limit EU immigration.

    WILL YOU LOT EVER TAKE YES FOR AN ANSWER?????

    Ahem.

    Out leads. Fantastic! That means that a Cons govt will deliver a referendum which will deliver an OUT vote.

    Get campaigning/leafleting/perhaps you could do some tele-canvassing - get in touch with CCHQ, they will guide you.

    I mean you lot want out of the EU don't you?? You don't give a tinker's cuss one way or another about working tax credits or the internal market or widening the A14. It's all about Europe and Cam's perfect storm has arrived. We as a nation would prefer to be out.

    But no.

    You want to go and not have that referendum and not get us out of here because in 2035 you think you might have a shot at holding the balance of power.
    Do you think Cameron would have got anywhere near saying what he did, or come to that would have promised a referendum if UKIP wasn't breathing down his neck ? You might want to review this to remind yourself of how his views on the EU have changed as the threat became more obvious.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11259224/David-Cameron-The-journey-from-immigration-dove-to-immigration-hawk.html
    How are you an immigrationj dove when you wanted to reduce it to 100,000.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284

    Pulpstar said:


    Or was he just saying what he THOUGHT THE BRITISH PUBLIC WANTED TO HEAR ?!

    That is no basis on which to make speeches and pledges.

    Works for Forage.
    It's working? I thought UKIP were crumbling away in the face of a Coalition resurgence. My mistake.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162
    Listening to the news sounds like Dave's speech is being generally well received. Is this why all the kippers on here are so hyper?
  • David Cameron’s European gamble could backfire by driving voters towards the EU exit door, an exclusive poll reveals today.
    As the Prime Minister’s big speech on European immigration was interrupted by alarm bells going off in the room, a YouGov poll for the Evening Standard found the outcome of his negotiations will be critical to any in-out referendum.

    Traditionally, Londoners support EU membership by a wide margin — but the poll reveals that this would be reversed if Mr Cameron fails to get a deal.

    Asked how they would vote in a referendum on Britain’s EU membership, 45 per cent of Londoners would back remaining in, compared with 37 per cent who would want to leave, according to the survey.

    But when the pollsters delved deeper into people’s views on Europe they found that the capital is ready to pull out if the Prime Minister is rebuffed in his attempt to negotiate a looser EU relationship for the UK. In fact the figures would be almost reversed, with 43 per cent in support of a split away and just 35 per cent who back staying in.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eu-exit-alarm-sounds-for-cameron-were-ready-to-leave-europe-if-pm-doenst-win-reforms-say-voters-9889987.html
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284

    Socrates said:

    TGOHF said:

    Socrates said:

    TOPPING said:

    Socrates said:

    @isam 48% to 32% is a huge lead for the out camp. And that was BEFORE Cameron has said he isn't going to limit EU immigration.

    WILL YOU LOT EVER TAKE YES FOR AN ANSWER?????

    Ahem.

    Out leads. Fantastic! That means that a Cons govt will deliver a referendum which will deliver an OUT vote.

    Get campaigning/leafleting/perhaps you could do some tele-canvassing - get in touch with CCHQ, they will guide you.

    I mean you lot want out of the EU don't you?? You don't give a tinker's cuss one way or another about working tax credits or the internal market or widening the A14. It's all about Europe and Cam's perfect storm has arrived. We as a nation would prefer to be out.

    But no.

    You want to go and not have that referendum and not get us out of here because in 2035 you think you might have a shot at holding the balance of power.
    You still believe David "no ifs, no buts" Cameron means what he says when makes pledges? Bless.
    Who can forget him reneging on the Sindy ref pledge - oh wait.
    Was that before or after he capped the EU budget, or blocked the fiscal pact, or didn't hand over any significant powers, or didn't pay the EU shakedown? I forget.
    Endless inventions.
    Precisely. And unfortunately for Cameron, people are realising that's what they are.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,292
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    Midlothian East (Midlothian): Labour HOLD.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Socrates said:

    TGOHF said:

    Socrates said:

    TOPPING said:

    Socrates said:

    @isam 48% to 32% is a huge lead for the out camp. And that was BEFORE Cameron has said he isn't going to limit EU immigration.

    WILL YOU LOT EVER TAKE YES FOR AN ANSWER?????

    Ahem.

    Out leads. Fantastic! That means that a Cons govt will deliver a referendum which will deliver an OUT vote.

    Get campaigning/leafleting/perhaps you could do some tele-canvassing - get in touch with CCHQ, they will guide you.

    I mean you lot want out of the EU don't you?? You don't give a tinker's cuss one way or another about working tax credits or the internal market or widening the A14. It's all about Europe and Cam's perfect storm has arrived. We as a nation would prefer to be out.

    But no.

    You want to go and not have that referendum and not get us out of here because in 2035 you think you might have a shot at holding the balance of power.
    You still believe David "no ifs, no buts" Cameron means what he says when makes pledges? Bless.
    Who can forget him reneging on the Sindy ref pledge - oh wait.
    Was that before or after he capped the EU budget, or blocked the fiscal pact, or didn't hand over any significant powers, or didn't pay the EU shakedown? I forget.
    Endless inventions.
    Precisely. And unfortunately for Cameron, people are realising that's what they are.
    From you.
  • Socrates said:

    And last week
    Not last week as the story only happened this week.
    Was really only this week? My apologies. When people start to recycle news stories I tend to forget when exactly they first surfaced. For sure this is the third time that this one has been brought up on here.
    I remember the date because one of the Kippers on here said Westminster Cathedral would become a mosque because of the LibLabCons.

    You never forget comedy gold like that.
    Almost as comedy as you thinking one person equates to 93% of UKIP supporters.
    Nope. All Kippers. Except Sunil. He has a PHd
    [putting hands up] Please! I like America the Tory Party!
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    There have been huge queues at Heathrow in the last couple of days, and I'm hearing that Gatwick is a nightmare at the moment too. Another bumbling failure in Theresa May's domain?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    felix said:

    Listening to the news sounds like Dave's speech is being generally well received. Is this why all the kippers on here are so hyper?

    Which news sounds are you looking at, I'm checking the Mail and Guardian websites and the general consensus seems to be that he's pissing off both pro and anti immigration types and is full of shit on the issue...
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Carnyx said:

    The Telegraph have got an English medieval history quiz running this morning. Only ten questions all so dreadfully easy that a reasonably educated person should score 10/10.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/uk/11258372/The-worlds-most-gruesome-history-quiz.html

    7/10 :( Back to skool!
    To be fair one of those questions was about a Norman French king who died in France and just happened to have England amongst his domains!
    He only spent six months in the England in his entire life (mostly trying to sell the place), didn't speak English and never summoned a parliament. Yet his statue stands in the yard of the Palace of Westminster. Why? I don't know. Probably something to do with Victorian romanticism I suspect (those pre-Raphaelite buggers get in everywhere).

    On the subject of odd bits of art in the Palace of Westminster, in the Lobby to the Lords is a portrait of Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley. He was a violent, syphilitic drunk and was Mary Queen of Scots first husband, until a section of the Scots nobility murdered him. Why his portrait was thought worthy of the Palace of Westminster is a complete mystery.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited November 2014
    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    Cameron or Socrates?
    EDIT: I guess the post after this one clears that up.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162
    Socrates said:

    There have been huge queues at Heathrow in the last couple of days, and I'm hearing that Gatwick is a nightmare at the moment too. Another bumbling failure in Theresa May's domain?

    Take a chill pill man.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,509
    I don't understand the link. They say the count has been narrowed down to two candidates, with Lab a bit ahead of the SNP. What further stages are there to come??

    http://www.midlothianadvertiser.co.uk/news/local-news/live-midlothian-east-by-election-1-3619025

    It looks as though Tory votes went narrowly to SNP over Labour and the Independent votes more strongly the other way.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    Why did Dave go and make himself a complete hostage to fortune over immigration ?!

    "No ifs, no buts" I mean he didn't even allow himself any wiggle room.

    And this is worse than his "cast iron" Lisbon Treaty - Labour were in power when Gordo signed the scrap of paper but so far as I'm aware there has been no change in Gov't from 2011 to 2014.

    "That's a promise we made to the British people."

    Or was he just saying what he THOUGHT THE BRITISH PUBLIC WANTED TO HEAR ?!

    That is no basis on which to make speeches and pledges.He has zero credibility on the issue now. None, zilch, nada, zip.

    'And if we fail to achieve it you can kick us out in five years'

    Tick tock
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162
    Anorak said:

    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    Cameron or Socrates?
    EDIT: I guess the post after this one clears that up.
    The one posting on here all day.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    Listening to the news sounds like Dave's speech is being generally well received. Is this why all the kippers on here are so hyper?

    Which news sounds are you looking at, I'm checking the Mail and Guardian websites and the general consensus seems to be that he's pissing off both pro and anti immigration types and is full of shit on the issue...
    Not reading the Standard by the look of it
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162
    edited November 2014
    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    Listening to the news sounds like Dave's speech is being generally well received. Is this why all the kippers on here are so hyper?

    Which news sounds are you looking at, I'm checking the Mail and Guardian websites and the general consensus seems to be that he's pissing off both pro and anti immigration types and is full of shit on the issue...
    TV NEWS - and the reaction of Tories. Mad kippers were never gonna like it any more than they want an indyref.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    I have white outrage fatigue..
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,851
    edited November 2014

    I don't understand the link. They say the count has been narrowed down to two candidates, with Lab a bit ahead of the SNP. What further stages are there to come??

    http://www.midlothianadvertiser.co.uk/news/local-news/live-midlothian-east-by-election-1-3619025

    It looks as though Tory votes went narrowly to SNP over Labour and the Independent votes more strongly the other way.

    They've still to divvy up the independent's votes, i.e. they're actually going into stage 5, the final one.
  • I reckon more Kippers were planning on turning up to Dirty Dicks, thought it was a Mosque and decided not to turn up.
    When UKIP underwhelm next May, it can argue that the polling stations were all in what looked like mosques....

    "Do they have elections in Muslim countries?"
    :)
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Socrates said:

    There have been huge queues at Heathrow in the last couple of days, and I'm hearing that Gatwick is a nightmare at the moment too. Another bumbling failure in Theresa May's domain?

    Do you ever stop shrieking?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Socrates said:

    And last week
    Not last week as the story only happened this week.
    Was really only this week? My apologies. When people start to recycle news stories I tend to forget when exactly they first surfaced. For sure this is the third time that this one has been brought up on here.
    I remember the date because one of the Kippers on here said Westminster Cathedral would become a mosque because of the LibLabCons.

    You never forget comedy gold like that.
    Almost as comedy as you thinking one person equates to 93% of UKIP supporters.
    Nope. All Kippers. Except Sunil. He has a PHd
    Oi! All kippers? Now you are just making stuff up.
  • TGOHF said:

    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    I have white outrage fatigue..
    Racist!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    I have white outrage fatigue..
    Racist!
    Not as racist as Bing Crosby - he like whatshisface was dreaming of a White Xmas - definitely a Kipper.
  • Socrates said:

    And last week
    Not last week as the story only happened this week.
    Was really only this week? My apologies. When people start to recycle news stories I tend to forget when exactly they first surfaced. For sure this is the third time that this one has been brought up on here.
    I remember the date because one of the Kippers on here said Westminster Cathedral would become a mosque because of the LibLabCons.

    You never forget comedy gold like that.
    Almost as comedy as you thinking one person equates to 93% of UKIP supporters.
    Nope. All Kippers. Except Sunil. He has a PHd
    Oi! All kippers? Now you are just making stuff up.
    Obviously you are a deeply erudite man. As your knowledge of history demonstrates.
  • SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    I got 9/10 on the medieval quiz. I'm a bit miffed at getting the Piers Gaviston one wrong as I've been to Warwick Castle.
  • Anyhoo.

    I'm off to see a film about a Brown coloured illegal immigrant in this country.

    I love Paddington.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    '‘He has marched us right up the hill and then pulled us down again. He’s probably lost the election for us today. Whether this will set something off, I do not know. There will be calls over the weekend to decide what to do.’

    Another senior eurosceptic says:

    ‘I am in complete despair about it. It is as minimal as you can get. If this is what the renegotiation is going to be like, there isn’t going to be renegotiation, is there? The idea that we would leave the European Union just on the question of what we’re going to pay migrants in benefits, that’s like dying on the barbed wire for a tin of baked beans.’ "

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/11/enraged-euro-rebels-threaten-trouble-after-camerons-immigration-speech-fails-to-satisfy/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162

    TGOHF said:

    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    I have white outrage fatigue..
    Racist!
    Let's not spark talk of racism on Black Friday.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    There have been huge queues at Heathrow in the last couple of days, and I'm hearing that Gatwick is a nightmare at the moment too. Another bumbling failure in Theresa May's domain?

    Do you ever stop shrieking?
    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    Tories - they don't like it up 'em.
  • I've come to the conclusion that the Kippers will take a referendum defeat with less grace than the Nats and demand more plebiscites until they got the right result.

    ...and so they should...

    The endpoint for the UK / Scotland can only federal or split. Devolution started that and can't now be undone.

    The endpoint for the EU can only be superstate or split.

    When politicians put in motion a chain of events that has a logical conclusion then they can't reasonably complain when people say 'can we not just make that decison now instead?'
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited November 2014
    Detailed legal analysis of Cameron's speech

    http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/the-nine-labours-of-cameron-analysis-of.html

    Looks like at least 5 of the cases need a Treaty Amendment.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Anyhoo.

    I'm off to see a film about a Brown coloured illegal immigrant in this country.

    I love Paddington.

    A brown coloured illegal immigrant that kept it's head covered ? - I BLAME CAMERON - WEAK !
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,660

    Carnyx said:

    The Telegraph have got an English medieval history quiz running this morning. Only ten questions all so dreadfully easy that a reasonably educated person should score 10/10.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/uk/11258372/The-worlds-most-gruesome-history-quiz.html

    7/10 :( Back to skool!
    To be fair one of those questions was about a Norman French king who died in France and just happened to have England amongst his domains!
    He only spent six months in the England in his entire life (mostly trying to sell the place), didn't speak English and never summoned a parliament. Yet his statue stands in the yard of the Palace of Westminster. Why? I don't know. Probably something to do with Victorian romanticism I suspect (those pre-Raphaelite buggers get in everywhere).

    On the subject of odd bits of art in the Palace of Westminster, in the Lobby to the Lords is a portrait of Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley. He was a violent, syphilitic drunk and was Mary Queen of Scots first husband, until a section of the Scots nobility murdered him. Why his portrait was thought worthy of the Palace of Westminster is a complete mystery.
    Re Darnley, perhaps because he was daddy of Jamie Saxt and First, and an ancestor of HM the Queen and Empress (I assume it was Victorian romanticism too).

    But this bit of a story about a Pre-R, which I came across lately, might cheer you up if you don't know it possibly not suitable for work:
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pJGvAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq="arthur+hugh+clough"+The+Bothie+of+Tober-na-Vuolich+obscene&source=bl&ots=ConAQE76Hy&sig=SUXF2HmXM3dYPrzO2_Bw-Q8_7Gw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iIl4VNOuM5PPaL28gJgJ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q="arthur hugh clough" The Bothie of Tober-na-Vuolich obscene&f=false )

  • The Telegraph have got an English medieval history quiz running this morning. Only ten questions all so dreadfully easy that a reasonably educated person should score 10/10.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/uk/11258372/The-worlds-most-gruesome-history-quiz.html

    9/10 not bad.

  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    I've had a guess at which five seats will be the biggest betting contests in 2015.
    http://politicalbookie.com/2014/11/28/the-top-five-betting-constituencies-for-2015/
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    Question of the day:

    Who is doing the best job for UKIP:

    Cameron
    Miliband
    Farage.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    There have been huge queues at Heathrow in the last couple of days, and I'm hearing that Gatwick is a nightmare at the moment too. Another bumbling failure in Theresa May's domain?

    Do you ever stop shrieking?
    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    Tories - they don't like it up 'em.
    Lol does that mosque in Westminster give sanctuary from lunatic Greeks?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited November 2014
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    There have been huge queues at Heathrow in the last couple of days, and I'm hearing that Gatwick is a nightmare at the moment too. Another bumbling failure in Theresa May's domain?

    Do you ever stop shrieking?
    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    Tories - they don't like it up 'em.
    Err no, you simply never stop shrieking.

    Have you been medically diagnosed as suffering from hysteria?
  • felix said:

    TGOHF said:

    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    I have white outrage fatigue..
    Racist!
    Let's not spark talk of racism on Black Friday.
    Is it just me or did Black Friday only get up and running as an event in the UK this year? Can't seem to remember ads mentioning this day (which started in America!!!!) last year.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    edited November 2014
    shadsy said:

    I've had a guess at which five seats will be the biggest betting contests in 2015.
    http://politicalbookie.com/2014/11/28/the-top-five-betting-constituencies-for-2015/

    Not going to look:

    But at a guess:

    Watford
    Inverness Bairn Strathspey
    Torbay
    Bournemouth
    Thanet South

    I meant Brighton lol

    4 out of 5 ain't bad !
  • isam said:

    '‘He has marched us right up the hill and then pulled us down again. He’s probably lost the election for us today. Whether this will set something off, I do not know. There will be calls over the weekend to decide what to do.’

    Another senior eurosceptic says:

    ‘I am in complete despair about it. It is as minimal as you can get. If this is what the renegotiation is going to be like, there isn’t going to be renegotiation, is there? The idea that we would leave the European Union just on the question of what we’re going to pay migrants in benefits, that’s like dying on the barbed wire for a tin of baked beans.’ "

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/11/enraged-euro-rebels-threaten-trouble-after-camerons-immigration-speech-fails-to-satisfy/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Thought "He has marched us right up the hill and then pulled us down again" was on topic for a moment ;-)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    Question of the day:

    Who is doing the best job for UKIP:

    Cameron
    Miliband
    Farage.

    Miliband - a decent opposition leader would be on 42-45% leaving no room for these "protest vote " parties.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    There have been huge queues at Heathrow in the last couple of days, and I'm hearing that Gatwick is a nightmare at the moment too. Another bumbling failure in Theresa May's domain?

    Do you ever stop shrieking?
    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    Tories - they don't like it up 'em.
    Err no, you simply never stop shrieking.

    Have you been medically diagnosed as suffering from hysteria?
    Someone's showing Cameron up for the lightweight he is! Better pick a fight to change the subject!
  • felix said:

    TGOHF said:

    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    I have white outrage fatigue..
    Racist!
    Let's not spark talk of racism on Black Friday.
    Is it just me or did Black Friday only get up and running as an event in the UK this year? Can't seem to remember ads mentioning this day (which started in America!!!!) last year.
    Black Friday was certainly highlighted last year, but agree, this year it appears to have gone completely over the top in both 'customers' and media coverage.

    BBC news video makes it look gross - like feeding time at a trough,
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    TGOHF said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Question of the day:

    Who is doing the best job for UKIP:

    Cameron
    Miliband
    Farage.

    Miliband - a decent opposition leader would be on 42-45% leaving no room for these "protest vote " parties.
    Perhaps. But you have to say Dave has done a sterling job today reminding everyone to kick him out of office in 5 years time if he achieved on immigration what he has achieved !
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    '‘He has marched us right up the hill and then pulled us down again. He’s probably lost the election for us today. Whether this will set something off, I do not know. There will be calls over the weekend to decide what to do.’

    Another senior eurosceptic says:

    ‘I am in complete despair about it. It is as minimal as you can get. If this is what the renegotiation is going to be like, there isn’t going to be renegotiation, is there? The idea that we would leave the European Union just on the question of what we’re going to pay migrants in benefits, that’s like dying on the barbed wire for a tin of baked beans.’ "

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/11/enraged-euro-rebels-threaten-trouble-after-camerons-immigration-speech-fails-to-satisfy/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Thought "He has marched us right up the hill and then pulled us down again" was on topic for a moment ;-)
    Mike Smithsons Ukip betting record?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162

    felix said:

    TGOHF said:

    felix said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    We're very aware of the reality of the modern UK: stagnant wages, rising house prices, general practice under huge strain. It's the Tories that are out of touch.
    Omg - when is this maniac gonna take a break?
    I have white outrage fatigue..
    Racist!
    Let's not spark talk of racism on Black Friday.
    Is it just me or did Black Friday only get up and running as an event in the UK this year? Can't seem to remember ads mentioning this day (which started in America!!!!) last year.
    It's just you:)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    'Just accept the country going to the dogs you bunch of ignorant out of touch biggots - and by the way, I hope we can count on your vote next May?'
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    You can tell when Tories on here are flailing. They start banging on about silly little things than talk about the big topics.

    Cameron's ineptness has been shown in the last couple of days. 160% off target with his immigration pledge, and being told what he's allowed to do by Angela Merkel on EU migration. A pygmy of a politician.

    It speaks to a wider problem with Kippers and their misconceptions of the reality of modern UK.
    'Just accept the country going to the dogs you bunch of ignorant out of touch biggots - and by the way, I hope we can count on your vote next May?'
    But Cameron's going to hold an EU referendum! No ifs, no buts!
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