I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
I SAID the reaction on here was a load of geriatric bien pensant bollocks on acid with bells tied on by a trans hooker from Tirana on Ket with a belisha beacon fetish standing next to a labradoodle with herpes
Again, as I said downthread, look at the strength of support. If you like it, you might like it a bit. But if you dislike it, you strongly dislike it. So it's more likely to motivate people voting against it, than for it.
I was in the "undecided whether I'll just stay at home or actually vote Labour this time round" camp last week, now I'm in the "I will crawl naked on my bare belly across broken glass to vote Labour this time round, since the Tories think that forced fruit picking labour camps are a good idea and they need to be turfed out pronto lest they come up with any more of their horrible, authoritarian shit" camp.
I find your insight interesting, may I ask if you are a younger voter or what sort of age group you fall into?
Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.
It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.
Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.
Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.
I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
I’m with @BartholomewRoberts - this forced Labour policy has made me question whether I can vote conservative on 4 July.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.
Starmer might be underestimating how toxic this will be for the wider left, including in America.
There goes Labour's US vote, I guess.
Maybe the Guardian will save the day by encouraging their readers to write to American Labour voters begging them to vote for Starmer.
Her exclusion will allow the Labour leadership to impose a new candidate in Hackney North, where Abbott won a majority of more than 33,000 votes in 2019. Jeremy Corbyn, the former Labour leader who sits for the adjacent seat of Islington North, was expelled from the party last week after declaring his intention to stand as an independent candidate in protest at his ban on seeking the party’s nomination.
While Labour insiders are anxious to play down any perceived parallels between the two cases, the party’s decision to block Abbott’s candidacy means that neither the leader nor shadow home secretary who fought the 2019 general election will appear on the ballot in 2024.
Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.
It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.
Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.
Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.
I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
I’m with @BartholomewRoberts - this forced Labour policy has made me question whether I can vote conservative on 4 July.
If they get re-elected there is zero chance they would actually do it. I don't know if that makes you feel better or worse about them.....
On the Lib Dems only having 8 seats held notionally from GE19, here's the seats that they have notionally lost.
Westmorland and Lonsdale (sitting MP Tim Farron). Taking around 20,000 new voters from Penrith and the Border (home of Rory the Tory's favourite Pret) and losing around 15,000 voters to Morecambe and Lunesdale. That notionally turns a 2,000 LD majority to a 4,000 Con majority.
North East Fife (Wendy Chamberlain). Takes around 7,000 new voters from Glenrothes which notionally changes a 1,300 LD majority to a 1,000 SNP majority
Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Jamie Stone). This was a very small population constituency in 2019 with only 47,000 electors. It has taken around 27,000 voters from the dismembered Ross, Skye and Lochaber (former seat of Charles Kennedy) which notionally moves a slim LD majority of 204 to an SNP majority of 4,000.
Explains why Ed Davey was campaigning in the Lakes today.
Someone please help me with a basic polling question. Those DKs: isn't it most likely that they will just not vote at all?
When you go into the tables, polling companies ask how likely you are to vote (normally 0-10 scale) and then weight the answers, if you said 10/10 then you'll count fully and so on down the scale (I think not linearly because you want the calculated turnout of the sample to be in the expected range of actual turnout). Ultimately the pollster is at the whims of the sample, anyone could say they are definitely going to vote and then end up not bothering.
That's why parties bother with marked registers, if they know someone always votes then they care more about their opinion than someone who they know never votes but I don't think polling companies are allowed to get the marked registers - does anyone know?
I SAID the reaction on here was a load of geriatric bien pensant bollocks on acid with bells tied on by a trans hooker from Tirana on Ket with a belisha beacon fetish standing next to a labradoodle with herpes
Again, as I said downthread, look at the strength of support. If you like it, you might like it a bit. But if you dislike it, you strongly dislike it. So it's more likely to motivate people voting against it, than for it.
I was in the "undecided whether I'll just stay at home or actually vote Labour this time round" camp last week, now I'm in the "I will crawl naked on my bare belly across broken glass to vote Labour this time round, since the Tories think that forced fruit picking labour camps are a good idea and they need to be turfed out pronto lest they come up with any more of their horrible, authoritarian shit" camp.
I find your insight interesting, may I ask if you are a younger voter or what sort of age group you fall into?
I think the Tory policy is not so much stupid as so incoherent that it doesn't even register as stupid, except in trying to attract their voters like a turd repels everyone but dung beetles and bluebottles. A badly built Potemkin house of a policy. And I'm probably one of their target voters, at least by age if not constituency.
I'm a little surprised at that, with Corbyn not only excluded but expelling himself by his actions the remaining Corbynistas would be powerless and friendless if Starmer gets a big win, no need to worry about Abbott causing embarrassment.
Jordan Peterson has said he will no longer visit the UK if Starmer is elected Prime Minister.
It is therefore with heavy heart that I will be voting Labour: there is no enthusiasm in my choice, just the cold recognition that a Britain with no Jordan Peterson is a happier, better place.
As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.
Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.
It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.
Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.
Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.
I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
I’m with @BartholomewRoberts - this forced Labour policy has made me question whether I can vote conservative on 4 July.
It's great. I previously have been open to the charge from various lefties which says something like "yeah but we know you're not going to vote Lab you'll vote Cons however much you say you don't like this version of them..."
And they might have had a point.
But the national service policy makes it easy peasy for me to vote against the Cons and if that means for Lab then so be it.
So the Cons have helped this ex-Cons, previously at some point true blue out on the streets activity canvassing Cons voter make up his mind about July 4th. And I think I (disillusioned ex-Cons voter) am just the sort of people the Cons would really like to vote for them.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
I'm in a particularly ebullient mood. Because tomorrow I'm off to A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY - one I've never been to!
In the rankings of EXCITING NEW COUNTRIES TO VISIT this is right down there with the worst. It is the Wick of Interesting Scottish Towns, the Newent of Beautiful England. However I love travel so much - and I've been to so many countries - ANY new country gets me unduly excited. I shall send one photo a day of dreadfully boring drinks in tediously un-scenic squares, or maybe live executions
I SAID the reaction on here was a load of geriatric bien pensant bollocks on acid with bells tied on by a trans hooker from Tirana on Ket with a belisha beacon fetish standing next to a labradoodle with herpes
Again, as I said downthread, look at the strength of support. If you like it, you might like it a bit. But if you dislike it, you strongly dislike it. So it's more likely to motivate people voting against it, than for it.
I was in the "undecided whether I'll just stay at home or actually vote Labour this time round" camp last week, now I'm in the "I will crawl naked on my bare belly across broken glass to vote Labour this time round, since the Tories think that forced fruit picking labour camps are a good idea and they need to be turfed out pronto lest they come up with any more of their horrible, authoritarian shit" camp.
I find your insight interesting, may I ask if you are a younger voter or what sort of age group you fall into?
Early 40s.
My opinions often out of whack with most people because I skew very far libertarian on the lib/authoritarian axis but very centrist on the left/right axis. "People should be free to make their own decisions as much as possible, and do what they want so long as it harms none" sorta sums up my rationale for most things. So an instinctive fear of big state leftists and also a fear of fashy state social conservatives.
Forcing people to do stuff against their will = bad in my book.
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
Don't complain. At least he thinks you are of higher intelligence than average.
Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.
Starmer might be underestimating how toxic this will be for the wider left, including in America.
There goes Labour's US vote, I guess.
Maybe the Guardian will save the day by encouraging their readers to write to American Labour voters begging them to vote for Starmer.
It won't do any good. Starmer will never work in Hollywood again.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
Woody Allen's line on sex with someone you truly love springs to mind.
Ben, it is not generally a good idea to let it be known you occasionally visit Guido's site, even for research purposes.
It would be fucking HILAIRE BELLOC-ARIOUS if Labour contrive go get a mere Hung Parliament out of their 48 point leads. However, it ain't gonna happen. Labour with a very very solid majority
People are still forgetting in their polling euphoria that in historical terms, Labour still has a fucking mountain to climb to get a majority of one.
This is true, and until maybe 2 years ago it was still seen as an uphill battle to win one. If they were to blow it it would be one hell of a comedown.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
Woody Allen's line on sex with someone you truly love springs to mind.
Do we really want to bring sexual grooming into this?
Ben, it is not generally a good idea to let it be known you occasionally visit Guido's site, even for research purposes.
It would be fucking HILAIRE BELLOC-ARIOUS if Labour contrive go get a mere Hung Parliament out of their 48 point leads. However, it ain't gonna happen. Labour with a very very solid majority
People are still forgetting in their polling euphoria that in historical terms, Labour still has a fucking mountain to climb to get a majority of one.
This is true, and until maybe 2 years ago it was still seen as an uphill battle to win one. If they were to blow it it would be one hell of a comedown.
It would be unprecedented in British psephological history.
All MoE stuff. I originally thought 40/30, the disastrous campaign I thought no chance, maybe the Tories do squeeze it out enough with some more quadruple lock-age type policies for the olds e.g. IHT threshold rise.
Their campaign isn’t disastrous, it’s unconventional. It doesn’t look good on TV because it doesn’t have to. It just has to stir things up in the socials and get out the vote. Quite successful I reckon.
They’re playing electoral Bazball.
Yes, we all imagine that the Tory campaign is what we see on the news. Wrong. They will be blowing their massive war chest on targeted Facebook ads telling all kinds of fibs and it will no doubt be highly effective as it usually is.
Apparently, Labour are massively out spending the Tories on Meta advertising.
Jordan Peterson has said he will no longer visit the UK if Starmer is elected Prime Minister.
It is therefore with heavy heart that I will be voting Labour: there is no enthusiasm in my choice, just the cold recognition that a Britain with no Jordan Peterson is a happier, better place.
What a bloody weird way for him to put it. He's not a UK citizen as far as I know, so he's basically saying he won't visit us on his holidays if Labour win?
Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker
We see this letter writing nonsense every GE. It always falls apart. Everybody knows its run by and signed overwhelmingly by already well know partisan supporters. I don't know why they do it.
Remember the ones in COVID were "leading scientists" say...and within a few hours it was clear it was the lab cleaner, some students not even doing degrees in science, etc.
All MoE stuff. I originally thought 40/30, the disastrous campaign I thought no chance, maybe the Tories do squeeze it out enough with some more quadruple lock-age type policies for the olds e.g. IHT threshold rise.
Their campaign isn’t disastrous, it’s unconventional. It doesn’t look good on TV because it doesn’t have to. It just has to stir things up in the socials and get out the vote. Quite successful I reckon.
They’re playing electoral Bazball.
Yes, we all imagine that the Tory campaign is what we see on the news. Wrong. They will be blowing their massive war chest on targeted Facebook ads telling all kinds of fibs and it will no doubt be highly effective as it usually is.
Apparently, Labour are massively out spending the Tories on Meta advertising.
Not necessarily a good thing. The Tories in 2019 waited until the last week.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
Woody Allen's line on sex with someone you truly love springs to mind.
Considering his backstory without knowing the full quote that could go quite wrong.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
Woody Allen's line on sex with someone you truly love springs to mind.
You seem to be claiming @BatteryCorrectHorse is my adoptive daughter via a famously elfin ex wife of Frank Sinatra
As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.
Welcome. What exactly did you expect to find on a political betting website.
Jordan Peterson has said he will no longer visit the UK if Starmer is elected Prime Minister.
It is therefore with heavy heart that I will be voting Labour: there is no enthusiasm in my choice, just the cold recognition that a Britain with no Jordan Peterson is a happier, better place.
What a bloody weird way for him to put it. He's not a UK citizen as far as I know, so he's basically saying he won't visit us on his holidays if Labour win?
He’s a right-wing social media influencer. He’s just posturing. That’s all they do.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
Woody Allen's line on sex with someone you truly love springs to mind.
You seem to be claiming @BatteryCorrectHorse is my adoptive daughter via a famously elfin ex wife of Frank Sinatra
Withdraw, Sir, WITHDRAW
You *are* in a good mood today. Where are you heading off to.
And what a shame we will only get one picture of the local beer per day.
As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.
This whole sight is a "tale told by (several dozen) idiots". Welcome.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
I'm in a particularly ebullient mood. Because tomorrow I'm off to A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY - one I've never been to!
In the rankings of EXCITING NEW COUNTRIES TO VISIT this is right down there with the worst. It is the Wick of Interesting Scottish Towns, the Newent of Beautiful England. However I love travel so much - and I've been to so many countries - ANY new country gets me unduly excited. I shall send one photo a day of dreadfully boring drinks in tediously un-scenic squares, or maybe live executions
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
You’re really obsessed with other people’s IQ aren’t you?
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.
Welcome. What exactly did you expect to find on a political betting website.
Holiday snaps, ai, aliens, the future of cash and trans surely?
Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.
Starmer might be underestimating how toxic this will be for the wider left, including in America.
Is Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu a household name in the States...or anywhere?
Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.
Starmer might be underestimating how toxic this will be for the wider left, including in America.
There goes Labour's US vote, I guess.
Maybe the Guardian will save the day by encouraging their readers to write to American Labour voters begging them to vote for Starmer.
Ah Dr. Shola, Labour has lost the antisemitic crank vote then.
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
I can only assume he feels powerful enough to force out someone who would only be a thorn in the side anyway - she's been an MP a long time and so were she not a lifer MP she'd be set for retirement in the usual course of events.
But though I'm no fan of Abbott it feels unnecessary, without the pretext that Corbyn was able to provide for his exclusion.
Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.
It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.
Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.
Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.
I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
We know. (By "we", I mean those voters on the right of the centre, but in that order. The ones who have wandered off over the last few years.)
I am not expecting to enjoy a Starmer government. I'm expecting it to be picky, peevish and to increase taxes beyond what's needed to balance the books.
But I still expect that to be better than this omnishambles run by knaves and nitwits. As in 2019, mediocre beats awful.
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
Is she actually still any good at the job even forgetting all the baggage and risk? Five years ago she sounded a shell of the person of twenty years ago.
Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.
It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.
Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.
Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.
I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
Have you been enjoying this Conservative one? Really?
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
Maybe if you're the leader of the Tory Party... but Labour needs the votes of the large majority of trans rights supporters.
As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.
Welcome. What exactly did you expect to find on a political betting website.
Holiday snaps, ai, aliens, the future of cash and trans surely?
Pretty much anything, really, except Radiohead and pineapple toppings on pizza.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
I think the smallest poll lead in nearly four months is something happening. Need more polls, to work out what, but it's not nothing.
Pontiff said there was too much ‘faggotry’ in seminaries, Italian newspapers reported
He could have phrased it better and using a less homophobic word but that does not mean he was entirely wrong, I would be surprised if there were not a few homosexual encounters in seminaries training male RC priests
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
We're getting a real time insight into the fallacies of approve/disapprove issue polling here. Natty serves apparently has a tiny plurality for approve. But it's the kind of issue that engenders weak support of the shrug "why not" kind. But we can see it elicits furious vote changing opposition from a fair few. It isn't changing my vote. It was there already. But I've never been so angry about a Tory proposal in a fair while.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
I think the smallest poll lead in nearly four months is something happening. Need more polls, to work out what, but it's not nothing.
If only there was a term for tigtening of polls as we get near to a GE....
Pontiff said there was too much ‘faggotry’ in seminaries, Italian newspapers reported
He could have phrased it better and using a less homophobic word but that does not mean he was entirely wrong, I would be surprised if there were not a few homosexual encounters in seminaries training male RC priests
I would be very surprised if there were a few homosexual encounters in seminaries training male RC priests (AARGH now we've a tautology).
If only because I would expect there to be rather a lot of them
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
Is she actually still any good at the job even forgetting all the baggage and risk? Five years ago she sounded a shell of the person of twenty years ago.
Well it should be upto her constituents to make that decision . It just seems very cruel given others have had the whip restored.
Jordan Peterson has said he will no longer visit the UK if Starmer is elected Prime Minister.
It is therefore with heavy heart that I will be voting Labour: there is no enthusiasm in my choice, just the cold recognition that a Britain with no Jordan Peterson is a happier, better place.
What a bloody weird way for him to put it. He's not a UK citizen as far as I know, so he's basically saying he won't visit us on his holidays if Labour win?
He’s a right-wing social media influencer. He’s just posturing. That’s all they do.
Naturally, but the type of posturing can be revealing.
I think a problem a lot of people have when they become middling famous and garner an online following is they get a rush from the acclaim and start to devolve into a parody of themselves, repeating the same old points in an ever more extreme way to please a fanbase (or provoke a hatebase) and inserting themselves into matters they know very little about.
Sometimes they are self aware about it, sometimes they aren't, but if someone is treating his own not visiting a country as some kind of grand statement, I think it shows the ego has really started to get to them.
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
Do you know Rosie? Have you met her? You reference her an awful lot on here.
I SAID the reaction on here was a load of geriatric bien pensant bollocks on acid with bells tied on by a trans hooker from Tirana on Ket with a belisha beacon fetish standing next to a labradoodle with herpes
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
Maybe if you're the leader of the Tory Party... but Labour needs the votes of the large majority of trans rights supporters.
Are there that many people who vote Labour on the basis of women having a penis?
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Has the Empire taken a hold on the right wing psyche? Literally the only times I hear the Empire being mentioned, it's by EU supporters accusing everyone else of being obsessed with it. It's sheer projection. They're the ones who seem obsessed by it, desperate to join a big club so we can 'have a seat at the table' and be 'a significant force in world events'. Clearly the EU was some sort of substitute Empire for these saddos.
Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.
A foolish and potentially costly decision. It makes him look opportunistic and like he has his head up Netanyahu's backside. That might not have seemed toxic three months ago but now he's a virtual war criminal it is . Shami Chakrabarti is apparently furious.
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
Maybe if you're the leader of the Tory Party... but Labour needs the votes of the large majority of trans rights supporters.
Are there that many people who vote Labour on the basis of women having a penis?
I’ll pass on your regards to Rosie. I’m sure she appreciates the support.
As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.
Pontiff said there was too much ‘faggotry’ in seminaries, Italian newspapers reported
He could have phrased it better and using a less homophobic word but that does not mean he was entirely wrong, I would be surprised if there were not a few homosexual encounters in seminaries training male RC priests
Probably more than in seminaries training female RC priests, certainly.
Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.
It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.
Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.
Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.
I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
We know. (By "we", I mean those voters on the right of the centre, but in that order. The ones who have wandered off over the last few years.)
I am not expecting to enjoy a Starmer government. I'm expecting it to be picky, peevish and to increase taxes beyond what's needed to balance the books.
But I still expect that to be better than this omnishambles run by knaves and nitwits. As in 2019, mediocre beats awful.
Personally I'm not hard to please when it comes to government, as I there think there are tough challenges and my base expectation is that things will be a bit shitty.
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
I'm in a particularly ebullient mood. Because tomorrow I'm off to A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY - one I've never been to!
In the rankings of EXCITING NEW COUNTRIES TO VISIT this is right down there with the worst. It is the Wick of Interesting Scottish Towns, the Newent of Beautiful England. However I love travel so much - and I've been to so many countries - ANY new country gets me unduly excited. I shall send one photo a day of dreadfully boring drinks in tediously un-scenic squares, or maybe live executions
Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.
A foolish and potentially costly decision. It makes him look opportunistic and like he has his head up Netanyahu's backside. That might not have seemed toxic three months ago but now he's a virtual war criminal it is . Shami Chakrabarti is apparently furious.
There will be lots of outrage and then tumbleweed from some Labour MPs . If you’re likely to be on the winning side you aren’t going to be a martyr .
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
Is she actually still any good at the job even forgetting all the baggage and risk? Five years ago she sounded a shell of the person of twenty years ago.
Well it should be upto her constituents to make that decision . It just seems very cruel given others have had the whip restored.
Why? What if they want a good active Labour MP rather than a has been famous MP?
Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker
We see this letter writing nonsense every GE. It always falls apart. Everybody knows its run by and signed overwhelmingly by already well know partisan supporters. I don't know why they do it.
Remember the ones in COVID were "leading scientists" say...and within a few hours it was clear it was the lab cleaner, some students not even doing degrees in science, etc.
Labour is circulating one for NHS employees to sign (with donate pop-up).
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
He can get away with it now but when things turn against him he’s going to end up friendless very quickly and plenty will be waiting for revenge.
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
Maybe if you're the leader of the Tory Party... but Labour needs the votes of the large majority of trans rights supporters.
Are there that many people who vote Labour on the basis of women having a penis?
I think it's a boring subject to discuss but I believe that all people including trans men and women deserve respect and to be treated as human beings. Transgender people should not, unless there is a very good reason, be treated any differently than any other person. This issue doesn't determine who I do vote for but I certainly wouldn't vote for any party that proposed discrimination against them.
Ben, it is not generally a good idea to let it be known you occasionally visit Guido's site, even for research purposes.
It would be fucking HILAIRE BELLOC-ARIOUS if Labour contrive go get a mere Hung Parliament out of their 48 point leads. However, it ain't gonna happen. Labour with a very very solid majority
People are still forgetting in their polling euphoria that in historical terms, Labour still has a fucking mountain to climb to get a majority of one.
This is true, and until maybe 2 years ago it was still seen as an uphill battle to win one. If they were to blow it it would be one hell of a comedown.
Not a vote has been cast, its not the same as being 4-0 up with ten minutes to go, the local elections put Labour at about 8pts ahead, I would imagine that's where we might end up, possibly less than that, Scotland makes it easier for labour, but from where they were at the Hartlepool by election, to get an overall majority would be a huge achievement
Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker
We see this letter writing nonsense every GE. It always falls apart. Everybody knows its run by and signed overwhelmingly by already well know partisan supporters. I don't know why they do it.
Remember the ones in COVID were "leading scientists" say...and within a few hours it was clear it was the lab cleaner, some students not even doing degrees in science, etc.
Labour is circulating one for NHS employees to sign (with donate pop-up).
I SAID the reaction on here was a load of geriatric bien pensant bollocks on acid with bells tied on by a trans hooker from Tirana on Ket with a belisha beacon fetish standing next to a labradoodle with herpes
Again, as I said downthread, look at the strength of support. If you like it, you might like it a bit. But if you dislike it, you strongly dislike it. So it's more likely to motivate people voting against it, than for it.
I was in the "undecided whether I'll just stay at home or actually vote Labour this time round" camp last week, now I'm in the "I will crawl naked on my bare belly across broken glass to vote Labour this time round, since the Tories think that forced fruit picking labour camps are a good idea and they need to be turfed out pronto lest they come up with any more of their horrible, authoritarian shit" camp.
I find your insight interesting, may I ask if you are a younger voter or what sort of age group you fall into?
Early 40s.
My opinions often out of whack with most people because I skew very far libertarian on the lib/authoritarian axis but very centrist on the left/right axis. "People should be free to make their own decisions as much as possible, and do what they want so long as it harms none" sorta sums up my rationale for most things. So an instinctive fear of big state leftists and also a fear of fashy state social conservatives.
Forcing people to do stuff against their will = bad in my book.
Can I ask a follow up question?
I'm philosophically libertarian (well, probably more anarchist) for exactly the reason you quote.
But in our interconnected, globalised world, is there really any decision that fits into the category "harms no-one"?
One example - I am a skydiver and many of my friends base jump. It would be an almost perfect example of your quote if we could only agree that you void any implicit contract with the NHS as you step off the phone mast in the darkness.
But I've seen too many people injure themselves and get air lifted to hospital at the public's expense.
So what meaningful decisions can you really make that harm no-one but yourself?
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
There's nothing more exciting than PB on election night.
Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker
We see this letter writing nonsense every GE. It always falls apart. Everybody knows its run by and signed overwhelmingly by already well know partisan supporters. I don't know why they do it.
Remember the ones in COVID were "leading scientists" say...and within a few hours it was clear it was the lab cleaner, some students not even doing degrees in science, etc.
Labour is circulating one for NHS employees to sign (with donate pop-up).
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
I'm in a particularly ebullient mood. Because tomorrow I'm off to A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY - one I've never been to!
In the rankings of EXCITING NEW COUNTRIES TO VISIT this is right down there with the worst. It is the Wick of Interesting Scottish Towns, the Newent of Beautiful England. However I love travel so much - and I've been to so many countries - ANY new country gets me unduly excited. I shall send one photo a day of dreadfully boring drinks in tediously un-scenic squares, or maybe live executions
I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.
The fact is that so far nothing has happened.
This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
You’re really obsessed with other people’s IQ aren’t you?
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
Is she actually still any good at the job even forgetting all the baggage and risk? Five years ago she sounded a shell of the person of twenty years ago.
Well it should be upto her constituents to make that decision . It just seems very cruel given others have had the whip restored.
Whilst disagreeing with the decision, which seems petty, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it should be up to her constituents. They don't get to decide who the party picks in any case, they get presented with whoever is in with the local clique, and no one has a right to be reselected.
Now, what will be argued is the local party should be able to select the candidate they want, we know Keir has made comments like that in the past as well. National parties have the power to intervene, but she could easily raise a stink about why in this case.
Latest JLP polling for @restispolitics has the Labour lead at 12 points.
Only one poll, so let's see if the trend continues. But what is behind this tightening since April is the Tories going from a 8-point lead to a 20-point lead with over-65s.
Pontiff said there was too much ‘faggotry’ in seminaries, Italian newspapers reported
The sad thing is this: Pope Francis says this sort of sh*t, and gives support to Russia in its imperialist, fascist war.
He's still possibly the best pope we've had in centuries.
Which says a great deal about the Catholic church and Popes...
A textbook case of an institution which long ago prioritised its own power and prestige over any purported mission.
Given its age possibly the ur-example..
I want to like Pope Francis; he seems much more forward-thinking than all of his predecessors (including the original Peter?). Then he says some sh*t and I despise him.
But at least he says some stuff I think is progressive, which is more than his predecessors.
It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
Who knows.
In the case of Abbott is it not just a cold hard calculation that she is linked in the public's eyes to the Corbyn years and so any story like this reinforces the only message Labour really needs the public to hear: 'We have changed'?
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Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament
There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4
Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'
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https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
While Labour insiders are anxious to play down any perceived parallels between the two cases, the party’s decision to block Abbott’s candidacy means that neither the leader nor shadow home secretary who fought the 2019 general election will appear on the ballot in 2024.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/diane-abbott-mp-labour-general-election-2024-fvgnbprdm
That's why parties bother with marked registers, if they know someone always votes then they care more about their opinion than someone who they know never votes but I don't think polling companies are allowed to get the marked registers - does anyone know?
It is therefore with heavy heart that I will be voting Labour: there is no enthusiasm in my choice, just the cold recognition that a Britain with no Jordan Peterson is a happier, better place.
And they might have had a point.
But the national service policy makes it easy peasy for me to vote against the Cons and if that means for Lab then so be it.
So the Cons have helped this ex-Cons, previously at some point true blue out on the streets activity canvassing Cons voter make up his mind about July 4th. And I think I (disillusioned ex-Cons voter) am just the sort of people the Cons would really like to vote for them.
In the rankings of EXCITING NEW COUNTRIES TO VISIT this is right down there with the worst. It is the Wick of Interesting Scottish Towns, the Newent of Beautiful England. However I love travel so much - and I've been to so many countries - ANY new country gets me unduly excited. I shall send one photo a day of dreadfully boring drinks in tediously un-scenic squares, or maybe live executions
My opinions often out of whack with most people because I skew very far libertarian on the lib/authoritarian axis but very centrist on the left/right axis. "People should be free to make their own decisions as much as possible, and do what they want so long as it harms none" sorta sums up my rationale for most things. So an instinctive fear of big state leftists and also a fear of fashy state social conservatives.
Forcing people to do stuff against their will = bad in my book.
I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
Remember the ones in COVID were "leading scientists" say...and within a few hours it was clear it was the lab cleaner, some students not even doing degrees in science, etc.
Withdraw, Sir, WITHDRAW
And what a shame we will only get one picture of the local beer per day.
Welcome.
Of course, then the next question is why newspapers like it.
But though I'm no fan of Abbott it feels unnecessary, without the pretext that Corbyn was able to provide for his exclusion.
I am not expecting to enjoy a Starmer government. I'm expecting it to be picky, peevish and to increase taxes beyond what's needed to balance the books.
But I still expect that to be better than this omnishambles run by knaves and nitwits. As in 2019, mediocre beats awful.
Natty serves apparently has a tiny plurality for approve.
But it's the kind of issue that engenders weak support of the shrug "why not" kind.
But we can see it elicits furious vote changing opposition from a fair few.
It isn't changing my vote. It was there already. But I've never been so angry about a Tory proposal in a fair while.
If only because I would expect there to be rather a lot of them
I think a problem a lot of people have when they become middling famous and garner an online following is they get a rush from the acclaim and start to devolve into a parody of themselves, repeating the same old points in an ever more extreme way to please a fanbase (or provoke a hatebase) and inserting themselves into matters they know very little about.
Sometimes they are self aware about it, sometimes they aren't, but if someone is treating his own not visiting a country as some kind of grand statement, I think it shows the ego has really started to get to them.
He's still possibly the best pope we've had in centuries.
Which says a great deal about the Catholic church and Popes...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/28/ed-davey-falls-into-lake-five-times-while-paddleboarding-on/
Given its age possibly the ur-example..
https://labour.org.uk/resources/nhs-staff-open-letter-sign-up/
I didn't sign or donate.
I'm philosophically libertarian (well, probably more anarchist) for exactly the reason you quote.
But in our interconnected, globalised world, is there really any decision that fits into the category "harms no-one"?
One example - I am a skydiver and many of my friends base jump. It would be an almost perfect example of your quote if we could only agree that you void any implicit contract with the NHS as you step off the phone mast in the darkness.
But I've seen too many people injure themselves and get air lifted to hospital at the public's expense.
So what meaningful decisions can you really make that harm no-one but yourself?
Now, what will be argued is the local party should be able to select the candidate they want, we know Keir has made comments like that in the past as well. National parties have the power to intervene, but she could easily raise a stink about why in this case.
But at least he says some stuff I think is progressive, which is more than his predecessors.