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  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,558

    Someone is not happy about Diane Abbott


    Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu

    Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.

    Starmer might be underestimating how toxic this will be for the wider left, including in America.
    There goes Labour's US vote, I guess.
    Maybe the Guardian will save the day by encouraging their readers to write to American Labour voters begging them to vote for Starmer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker

    Do these letters ever work out the way intended?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Her exclusion will allow the Labour leadership to impose a new candidate in Hackney North, where Abbott won a majority of more than 33,000 votes in 2019. Jeremy Corbyn, the former Labour leader who sits for the adjacent seat of Islington North, was expelled from the party last week after declaring his intention to stand as an independent candidate in protest at his ban on seeking the party’s nomination.

    While Labour insiders are anxious to play down any perceived parallels between the two cases, the party’s decision to block Abbott’s candidacy means that neither the leader nor shadow home secretary who fought the 2019 general election will appear on the ballot in 2024.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/diane-abbott-mp-labour-general-election-2024-fvgnbprdm
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,156
    tlg86 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.

    It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
    Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.

    Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.

    Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
    Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.

    I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
    I’m with @BartholomewRoberts - this forced Labour policy has made me question whether I can vote conservative on 4 July.

    If they get re-elected there is zero chance they would actually do it. I don't know if that makes you feel better or worse about them.....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,457
    Taz said:

    DM_Andy said:

    On the Lib Dems only having 8 seats held notionally from GE19, here's the seats that they have notionally lost.

    Westmorland and Lonsdale (sitting MP Tim Farron). Taking around 20,000 new voters from Penrith and the Border (home of Rory the Tory's favourite Pret) and losing around 15,000 voters to Morecambe and Lunesdale. That notionally turns a 2,000 LD majority to a 4,000 Con majority.

    North East Fife (Wendy Chamberlain). Takes around 7,000 new voters from Glenrothes which notionally changes a 1,300 LD majority to a 1,000 SNP majority

    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Jamie Stone). This was a very small population constituency in 2019 with only 47,000 electors. It has taken around 27,000 voters from the dismembered Ross, Skye and Lochaber (former seat of Charles Kennedy) which notionally moves a slim LD majority of 204 to an SNP majority of 4,000.

    Explains why Ed Davey was campaigning in the Lakes today.
    More in the lake than in the lakes.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127

    Someone please help me with a basic polling question. Those DKs: isn't it most likely that they will just not vote at all?

    When you go into the tables, polling companies ask how likely you are to vote (normally 0-10 scale) and then weight the answers, if you said 10/10 then you'll count fully and so on down the scale (I think not linearly because you want the calculated turnout of the sample to be in the expected range of actual turnout). Ultimately the pollster is at the whims of the sample, anyone could say they are definitely going to vote and then end up not bothering.

    That's why parties bother with marked registers, if they know someone always votes then they care more about their opinion than someone who they know never votes but I don't think polling companies are allowed to get the marked registers - does anyone know?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,409

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1795487724083810337?s=19

    Net support for national service as proposed

    I SAID the reaction on here was a load of geriatric bien pensant bollocks on acid with bells tied on by a trans hooker from Tirana on Ket with a belisha beacon fetish standing next to a labradoodle with herpes
    Again, as I said downthread, look at the strength of support. If you like it, you might like it a bit. But if you dislike it, you strongly dislike it. So it's more likely to motivate people voting against it, than for it.

    I was in the "undecided whether I'll just stay at home or actually vote Labour this time round" camp last week, now I'm in the "I will crawl naked on my bare belly across broken glass to vote Labour this time round, since the Tories think that forced fruit picking labour camps are a good idea and they need to be turfed out pronto lest they come up with any more of their horrible, authoritarian shit" camp.
    I find your insight interesting, may I ask if you are a younger voter or what sort of age group you fall into?
    I think the Tory policy is not so much stupid as so incoherent that it doesn't even register as stupid, except in trying to attract their voters like a turd repels everyone but dung beetles and bluebottles. A badly built Potemkin house of a policy. And I'm probably one of their target voters, at least by age if not constituency.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    I'm a little surprised at that, with Corbyn not only excluded but expelling himself by his actions the remaining Corbynistas would be powerless and friendless if Starmer gets a big win, no need to worry about Abbott causing embarrassment.
  • ianian Posts: 23
    As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    edited May 28
    tlg86 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.

    It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
    Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.

    Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.

    Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
    Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.

    I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
    I’m with @BartholomewRoberts - this forced Labour policy has made me question whether I can vote conservative on 4 July.

    It's great. I previously have been open to the charge from various lefties which says something like "yeah but we know you're not going to vote Lab you'll vote Cons however much you say you don't like this version of them..."

    And they might have had a point.

    But the national service policy makes it easy peasy for me to vote against the Cons and if that means for Lab then so be it.

    So the Cons have helped this ex-Cons, previously at some point true blue out on the streets activity canvassing Cons voter make up his mind about July 4th. And I think I (disillusioned ex-Cons voter) am just the sort of people the Cons would really like to vote for them.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    SKS will now be praying Abbott doesn't stand and his treatment of her become an ongoing campaign issue.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
    I'm in a particularly ebullient mood. Because tomorrow I'm off to A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY - one I've never been to!

    In the rankings of EXCITING NEW COUNTRIES TO VISIT this is right down there with the worst. It is the Wick of Interesting Scottish Towns, the Newent of Beautiful England. However I love travel so much - and I've been to so many countries - ANY new country gets me unduly excited. I shall send one photo a day of dreadfully boring drinks in tediously un-scenic squares, or maybe live executions
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    edited May 28

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1795487724083810337?s=19

    Net support for national service as proposed

    I SAID the reaction on here was a load of geriatric bien pensant bollocks on acid with bells tied on by a trans hooker from Tirana on Ket with a belisha beacon fetish standing next to a labradoodle with herpes
    Again, as I said downthread, look at the strength of support. If you like it, you might like it a bit. But if you dislike it, you strongly dislike it. So it's more likely to motivate people voting against it, than for it.

    I was in the "undecided whether I'll just stay at home or actually vote Labour this time round" camp last week, now I'm in the "I will crawl naked on my bare belly across broken glass to vote Labour this time round, since the Tories think that forced fruit picking labour camps are a good idea and they need to be turfed out pronto lest they come up with any more of their horrible, authoritarian shit" camp.
    I find your insight interesting, may I ask if you are a younger voter or what sort of age group you fall into?
    Early 40s.

    My opinions often out of whack with most people because I skew very far libertarian on the lib/authoritarian axis but very centrist on the left/right axis. "People should be free to make their own decisions as much as possible, and do what they want so long as it harms none" sorta sums up my rationale for most things. So an instinctive fear of big state leftists and also a fear of fashy state social conservatives.

    Forcing people to do stuff against their will = bad in my book.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806
    Ghedebrav said:

    And for context this time I’ve got Lab around 370 and Con around 205.

    Posted on here last week; I should bookmark it for future reference…

    No need - you entered the PB Competition with a prediction of a 100 seat Labour majority, which implies 375 Labour seats.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    Oooo lots of polls today, mostly looking terrrrrrrrrinble for the Tories, though JL Partners are slightly better...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    kle4 said:

    Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker

    Do these letters ever work out the way intended?
    I thought it would be Tom Kerridge wot won it
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,409

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
    Don't complain. At least he thinks you are of higher intelligence than average.



  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    boulay said:

    Someone is not happy about Diane Abbott


    Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu

    Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.

    Starmer might be underestimating how toxic this will be for the wider left, including in America.
    There goes Labour's US vote, I guess.
    Maybe the Guardian will save the day by encouraging their readers to write to American Labour voters begging them to vote for Starmer.
    It won't do any good. Starmer will never work in Hollywood again.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,499

    SKS will now be praying Abbott doesn't stand and his treatment of her become an ongoing campaign issue.

    It seems like a foolish decision to me. Inside the tent pissing out, and all that.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,470
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    Woody Allen's line on sex with someone you truly love springs to mind.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Leon said:

    Guido's excited:

    RACE TIGHTENS IN SHOCK POLL

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1795500548134780977

    Ben, it is not generally a good idea to let it be known you occasionally visit Guido's site, even for research purposes.
    It would be fucking HILAIRE BELLOC-ARIOUS if Labour contrive go get a mere Hung Parliament out of their 48 point leads. However, it ain't gonna happen. Labour with a very very solid majority
    People are still forgetting in their polling euphoria that in historical terms, Labour still has a fucking mountain to climb to get a majority of one.
    This is true, and until maybe 2 years ago it was still seen as an uphill battle to win one. If they were to blow it it would be one hell of a comedown.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,801

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    Woody Allen's line on sex with someone you truly love springs to mind.
    Do we really want to bring sexual grooming into this?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,499
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Guido's excited:

    RACE TIGHTENS IN SHOCK POLL

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1795500548134780977

    Ben, it is not generally a good idea to let it be known you occasionally visit Guido's site, even for research purposes.
    It would be fucking HILAIRE BELLOC-ARIOUS if Labour contrive go get a mere Hung Parliament out of their 48 point leads. However, it ain't gonna happen. Labour with a very very solid majority
    People are still forgetting in their polling euphoria that in historical terms, Labour still has a fucking mountain to climb to get a majority of one.
    This is true, and until maybe 2 years ago it was still seen as an uphill battle to win one. If they were to blow it it would be one hell of a comedown.
    It would be unprecedented in British psephological history.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533

    Jonathan said:

    All MoE stuff. I originally thought 40/30, the disastrous campaign I thought no chance, maybe the Tories do squeeze it out enough with some more quadruple lock-age type policies for the olds e.g. IHT threshold rise.

    Their campaign isn’t disastrous, it’s unconventional. It doesn’t look good on TV because it doesn’t have to. It just has to stir things up in the socials and get out the vote. Quite successful I reckon.

    They’re playing electoral Bazball.
    Yes, we all imagine that the Tory campaign is what we see on the news. Wrong. They will be blowing their massive war chest on targeted Facebook ads telling all kinds of fibs and it will no doubt be highly effective as it usually is.
    Apparently, Labour are massively out spending the Tories on Meta advertising.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    rcs1000 said:

    Jordan Peterson has said he will no longer visit the UK if Starmer is elected Prime Minister.

    It is therefore with heavy heart that I will be voting Labour: there is no enthusiasm in my choice, just the cold recognition that a Britain with no Jordan Peterson is a happier, better place.

    What a bloody weird way for him to put it. He's not a UK citizen as far as I know, so he's basically saying he won't visit us on his holidays if Labour win?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited May 28

    Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker

    We see this letter writing nonsense every GE. It always falls apart. Everybody knows its run by and signed overwhelmingly by already well know partisan supporters. I don't know why they do it.

    Remember the ones in COVID were "leading scientists" say...and within a few hours it was clear it was the lab cleaner, some students not even doing degrees in science, etc.
  • Jonathan said:

    All MoE stuff. I originally thought 40/30, the disastrous campaign I thought no chance, maybe the Tories do squeeze it out enough with some more quadruple lock-age type policies for the olds e.g. IHT threshold rise.

    Their campaign isn’t disastrous, it’s unconventional. It doesn’t look good on TV because it doesn’t have to. It just has to stir things up in the socials and get out the vote. Quite successful I reckon.

    They’re playing electoral Bazball.
    Yes, we all imagine that the Tory campaign is what we see on the news. Wrong. They will be blowing their massive war chest on targeted Facebook ads telling all kinds of fibs and it will no doubt be highly effective as it usually is.
    Apparently, Labour are massively out spending the Tories on Meta advertising.
    Not necessarily a good thing. The Tories in 2019 waited until the last week.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    Woody Allen's line on sex with someone you truly love springs to mind.
    Considering his backstory without knowing the full quote that could go quite wrong.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    Woody Allen's line on sex with someone you truly love springs to mind.
    You seem to be claiming @BatteryCorrectHorse is my adoptive daughter via a famously elfin ex wife of Frank Sinatra

    Withdraw, Sir, WITHDRAW
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    ian said:

    As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.

    Welcome. What exactly did you expect to find on a political betting website.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,499
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Jordan Peterson has said he will no longer visit the UK if Starmer is elected Prime Minister.

    It is therefore with heavy heart that I will be voting Labour: there is no enthusiasm in my choice, just the cold recognition that a Britain with no Jordan Peterson is a happier, better place.

    What a bloody weird way for him to put it. He's not a UK citizen as far as I know, so he's basically saying he won't visit us on his holidays if Labour win?
    He’s a right-wing social media influencer. He’s just posturing. That’s all they do.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    Woody Allen's line on sex with someone you truly love springs to mind.
    You seem to be claiming @BatteryCorrectHorse is my adoptive daughter via a famously elfin ex wife of Frank Sinatra

    Withdraw, Sir, WITHDRAW
    You *are* in a good mood today. Where are you heading off to.

    And what a shame we will only get one picture of the local beer per day.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    ian said:

    As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.

    This whole sight is a "tale told by (several dozen) idiots".
    Welcome.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker

    We see this letter writing nonsense every GE. It always falls apart. I don't know why they do it.
    Newspapers like this sort of thing as a headline, so it gets parties an easy headline.

    Of course, then the next question is why newspapers like it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,801
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
    I'm in a particularly ebullient mood. Because tomorrow I'm off to A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY - one I've never been to!

    In the rankings of EXCITING NEW COUNTRIES TO VISIT this is right down there with the worst. It is the Wick of Interesting Scottish Towns, the Newent of Beautiful England. However I love travel so much - and I've been to so many countries - ANY new country gets me unduly excited. I shall send one photo a day of dreadfully boring drinks in tediously un-scenic squares, or maybe live executions
    Fuxsake, two bloody oxymorons on the same thread.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    You’re really obsessed with other people’s IQ aren’t you?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    edited May 28

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,156
    TOPPING said:

    ian said:

    As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.

    Welcome. What exactly did you expect to find on a political betting website.
    Holiday snaps, ai, aliens, the future of cash and trans surely?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,479
    Carnyx said:

    Someone is not happy about Diane Abbott


    Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu

    Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.

    Starmer might be underestimating how toxic this will be for the wider left, including in America.
    Is Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu a household name in the States...or anywhere?
    NYC advocate apparently.
    Well that's Starmer cattle trucked then.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,737
    boulay said:

    Someone is not happy about Diane Abbott


    Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu

    Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.

    Starmer might be underestimating how toxic this will be for the wider left, including in America.
    There goes Labour's US vote, I guess.
    Maybe the Guardian will save the day by encouraging their readers to write to American Labour voters begging them to vote for Starmer.
    Ah Dr. Shola, Labour has lost the antisemitic crank vote then.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited May 28
    When the next book signing / speaking tour come along and they promise to pay handsomely for JP, I bet he still comes.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Interesting data factoid. R&W and Techne have MUCH flatter age group VI curves than the others
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    nico679 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
    I can only assume he feels powerful enough to force out someone who would only be a thorn in the side anyway - she's been an MP a long time and so were she not a lifer MP she'd be set for retirement in the usual course of events.

    But though I'm no fan of Abbott it feels unnecessary, without the pretext that Corbyn was able to provide for his exclusion.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,470

    Jonathan said:

    Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.

    It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
    Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.

    Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.

    Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
    Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.

    I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
    We know. (By "we", I mean those voters on the right of the centre, but in that order. The ones who have wandered off over the last few years.)

    I am not expecting to enjoy a Starmer government. I'm expecting it to be picky, peevish and to increase taxes beyond what's needed to balance the books.

    But I still expect that to be better than this omnishambles run by knaves and nitwits. As in 2019, mediocre beats awful.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,156
    nico679 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
    Is she actually still any good at the job even forgetting all the baggage and risk? Five years ago she sounded a shell of the person of twenty years ago.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Jonathan said:

    Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.

    It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
    Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.

    Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.

    Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
    Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.

    I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
    Have you been enjoying this Conservative one? Really?

  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    Maybe if you're the leader of the Tory Party... but Labour needs the votes of the large majority of trans rights supporters.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,479

    TOPPING said:

    ian said:

    As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.

    Welcome. What exactly did you expect to find on a political betting website.
    Holiday snaps, ai, aliens, the future of cash and trans surely?
    Pretty much anything, really, except Radiohead and pineapple toppings on pizza.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,917
    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    I think the smallest poll lead in nearly four months is something happening. Need more polls, to work out what, but it's not nothing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987

    What a fucking wanker.

    Pope Francis ‘sorry’ for homophobic slur

    Pontiff said there was too much ‘faggotry’ in seminaries, Italian newspapers reported

    He could have phrased it better and using a less homophobic word but that does not mean he was entirely wrong, I would be surprised if there were not a few homosexual encounters in seminaries training male RC priests
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    nico679 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
    Who knows.
  • Also, it's just been pointed out to me that the fieldwork dates for JL might be before the announcements - can anyone confirm?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    We're getting a real time insight into the fallacies of approve/disapprove issue polling here.
    Natty serves apparently has a tiny plurality for approve.
    But it's the kind of issue that engenders weak support of the shrug "why not" kind.
    But we can see it elicits furious vote changing opposition from a fair few.
    It isn't changing my vote. It was there already. But I've never been so angry about a Tory proposal in a fair while.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    I think the smallest poll lead in nearly four months is something happening. Need more polls, to work out what, but it's not nothing.
    If only there was a term for tigtening of polls as we get near to a GE....
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277

    nico679 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
    Is she actually still any good at the job even forgetting all the baggage and risk? Five years ago she sounded a shell of the person of twenty years ago.
    Well it should be upto her constituents to make that decision . It just seems very cruel given others have had the whip restored.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Jordan Peterson has said he will no longer visit the UK if Starmer is elected Prime Minister.

    It is therefore with heavy heart that I will be voting Labour: there is no enthusiasm in my choice, just the cold recognition that a Britain with no Jordan Peterson is a happier, better place.

    What a bloody weird way for him to put it. He's not a UK citizen as far as I know, so he's basically saying he won't visit us on his holidays if Labour win?
    He’s a right-wing social media influencer. He’s just posturing. That’s all they do.
    Naturally, but the type of posturing can be revealing.

    I think a problem a lot of people have when they become middling famous and garner an online following is they get a rush from the acclaim and start to devolve into a parody of themselves, repeating the same old points in an ever more extreme way to please a fanbase (or provoke a hatebase) and inserting themselves into matters they know very little about.

    Sometimes they are self aware about it, sometimes they aren't, but if someone is treating his own not visiting a country as some kind of grand statement, I think it shows the ego has really started to get to them.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    Do you know Rosie? Have you met her? You reference her an awful lot on here.
  • Confirmed, JL is from 24th-25th May.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    Maybe Starmer is the British Orban and we'll see him ruthlessly taking control of the state.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,782
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1795487724083810337?s=19

    Net support for national service as proposed

    I SAID the reaction on here was a load of geriatric bien pensant bollocks on acid with bells tied on by a trans hooker from Tirana on Ket with a belisha beacon fetish standing next to a labradoodle with herpes
    You OK, Hun?
    Comedy. Tough gig.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    EPG said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    Maybe if you're the leader of the Tory Party... but Labour needs the votes of the large majority of trans rights supporters.
    Are there that many people who vote Labour on the basis of women having a penis?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    She likely goes Independent
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,873

    90 minutes of Rory & AC chatting to Kwasi Kwarteng on TRIP Leading.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98z_Jvhbwvc



    00:00 Intro
    04:50 Would you pass the Eton entry exam today?
    06:36 Parental heritage and upbringing
    11:25 In simple terms what was good and bad about the British Empire
    13:29 Why has the British Empire taken such a hold on the right wing psyche
    19:33 Rory and Kwasi weren't popular at Eton
    21:05 What are the pros of Liz Truss?
    23:58 How Boris Johnson's premiership started good but lost its way
    28:18 Why did you want a career in politics?
    33:08 Would you give advice to Rachel Reeves?
    36:32 Thoughts on Keir Starmer going more left and now being more right
    40:41 Why there has to be an element of populism in the Conservative Party
    41:46 Talk us through ethnicity in British Politics
    45:23 Do you think the Rwanda plan is working?
    46:25 Net Zero climate goals and how can we financially make it
    49:46 Importance of not being so reliant on China
    51:15 Rory and Kwasi entered parliament at the same time but had different experiences, one is a romantic and the other a realist
    1:00:06 What was a bigger mistake, backing Liz Truss or backing Boris Johnson?
    1:00:55 Did you not have an operation to become Prime Minister?
    1:02:45 Role as Chancellor - the pace was absurd and it moved 150 mph
    1:22:14 Why didn't you support Rishi Sunak?
    1:23:48 Can you see a way that Labour won't win at the next General Election?
    1:30:30 Who are the historians that have impacted you?
    1:36:54 Do you believe in virtue?
    1:38:23 Outro
    1:39:27 Debrief

    Has the Empire taken a hold on the right wing psyche? Literally the only times I hear the Empire being mentioned, it's by EU supporters accusing everyone else of being obsessed with it. It's sheer projection. They're the ones who seem obsessed by it, desperate to join a big club so we can 'have a seat at the table' and be 'a significant force in world events'. Clearly the EU was some sort of substitute Empire for these saddos.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    edited May 28

    Someone is not happy about Diane Abbott


    Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu

    Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.

    A foolish and potentially costly decision. It makes him look opportunistic and like he has his head up Netanyahu's backside. That might not have seemed toxic three months ago but now he's a virtual war criminal it is . Shami Chakrabarti is apparently furious.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    EPG said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    Maybe if you're the leader of the Tory Party... but Labour needs the votes of the large majority of trans rights supporters.
    Are there that many people who vote Labour on the basis of women having a penis?
    I’ll pass on your regards to Rosie. I’m sure she appreciates the support.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,509

    What a fucking wanker.

    Pope Francis ‘sorry’ for homophobic slur

    Pontiff said there was too much ‘faggotry’ in seminaries, Italian newspapers reported

    The sad thing is this: Pope Francis says this sort of sh*t, and gives support to Russia in its imperialist, fascist war.

    He's still possibly the best pope we've had in centuries.

    Which says a great deal about the Catholic church and Popes...
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    ian said:

    As a complete newcomer,I have beenfascinated reading comments over the last three hours. First there seemed to be a frenzy of excitement of a tory breakthrough, speculating it might be survation or r and w. Turns out both increased labour lead. Then the tumours of a single figure lead , which turned out to be 12.points. Reminded me of that Shakespear bloke. " 'full of sound and fury , signifying nothing.

    Haha, welcome.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    HYUFD said:

    What a fucking wanker.

    Pope Francis ‘sorry’ for homophobic slur

    Pontiff said there was too much ‘faggotry’ in seminaries, Italian newspapers reported

    He could have phrased it better and using a less homophobic word but that does not mean he was entirely wrong, I would be surprised if there were not a few homosexual encounters in seminaries training male RC priests
    Probably more than in seminaries training female RC priests, certainly.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Jonathan said:

    Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.

    It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
    Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.

    Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.

    Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
    Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.

    I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
    We know. (By "we", I mean those voters on the right of the centre, but in that order. The ones who have wandered off over the last few years.)

    I am not expecting to enjoy a Starmer government. I'm expecting it to be picky, peevish and to increase taxes beyond what's needed to balance the books.

    But I still expect that to be better than this omnishambles run by knaves and nitwits. As in 2019, mediocre beats awful.
    Personally I'm not hard to please when it comes to government, as I there think there are tough challenges and my base expectation is that things will be a bit shitty.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956

    Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker

    When I saw just a few of the names I did wonder "do you really want their endorsement?"
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,809
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
    I'm in a particularly ebullient mood. Because tomorrow I'm off to A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY - one I've never been to!

    In the rankings of EXCITING NEW COUNTRIES TO VISIT this is right down there with the worst. It is the Wick of Interesting Scottish Towns, the Newent of Beautiful England. However I love travel so much - and I've been to so many countries - ANY new country gets me unduly excited. I shall send one photo a day of dreadfully boring drinks in tediously un-scenic squares, or maybe live executions
    Rwanda! You’re going to Rwanda!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,965
    "Ed Davey falls into lake five times while campaigning from paddleboard"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/28/ed-davey-falls-into-lake-five-times-while-paddleboarding-on/
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Roger said:

    Someone is not happy about Diane Abbott


    Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu

    Keir Starmer is a liar. Diane Abbott investigation ended 5 mths ago. He's steamrolling 1st Black Female MP out for White Jewish Zionist vote. Her comments were neither antisemitic or racist. Offensive yes & she apologised. He didn't fix Labour party, he made it Zionist - WORSE.

    A foolish and potentially costly decision. It makes him look opportunistic and like he has his head up Netanyahu's backside. That might not have seemed toxic three months ago but now he's a virtual war criminal it is . Shami Chakrabarti is apparently furious.
    There will be lots of outrage and then tumbleweed from some Labour MPs . If you’re likely to be on the winning side you aren’t going to be a martyr .
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,156
    nico679 said:

    nico679 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
    Is she actually still any good at the job even forgetting all the baggage and risk? Five years ago she sounded a shell of the person of twenty years ago.
    Well it should be upto her constituents to make that decision . It just seems very cruel given others have had the whip restored.
    Why? What if they want a good active Labour MP rather than a has been famous MP?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    What a fucking wanker.

    Pope Francis ‘sorry’ for homophobic slur

    Pontiff said there was too much ‘faggotry’ in seminaries, Italian newspapers reported

    The sad thing is this: Pope Francis says this sort of sh*t, and gives support to Russia in its imperialist, fascist war.

    He's still possibly the best pope we've had in centuries.

    Which says a great deal about the Catholic church and Popes...
    A textbook case of an institution which long ago prioritised its own power and prestige over any purported mission.

    Given its age possibly the ur-example..
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157

    Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker

    We see this letter writing nonsense every GE. It always falls apart. Everybody knows its run by and signed overwhelmingly by already well know partisan supporters. I don't know why they do it.

    Remember the ones in COVID were "leading scientists" say...and within a few hours it was clear it was the lab cleaner, some students not even doing degrees in science, etc.
    Labour is circulating one for NHS employees to sign (with donate pop-up).

    https://labour.org.uk/resources/nhs-staff-open-letter-sign-up/

    I didn't sign or donate.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    He can get away with it now but when things turn against him he’s going to end up friendless very quickly and plenty will be waiting for revenge.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127

    EPG said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    Maybe if you're the leader of the Tory Party... but Labour needs the votes of the large majority of trans rights supporters.
    Are there that many people who vote Labour on the basis of women having a penis?
    I think it's a boring subject to discuss but I believe that all people including trans men and women deserve respect and to be treated as human beings. Transgender people should not, unless there is a very good reason, be treated any differently than any other person. This issue doesn't determine who I do vote for but I certainly wouldn't vote for any party that proposed discrimination against them.
  • mickydroymickydroy Posts: 316
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Guido's excited:

    RACE TIGHTENS IN SHOCK POLL

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1795500548134780977

    Ben, it is not generally a good idea to let it be known you occasionally visit Guido's site, even for research purposes.
    It would be fucking HILAIRE BELLOC-ARIOUS if Labour contrive go get a mere Hung Parliament out of their 48 point leads. However, it ain't gonna happen. Labour with a very very solid majority
    People are still forgetting in their polling euphoria that in historical terms, Labour still has a fucking mountain to climb to get a majority of one.
    This is true, and until maybe 2 years ago it was still seen as an uphill battle to win one. If they were to blow it it would be one hell of a comedown.
    Not a vote has been cast, its not the same as being 4-0 up with ten minutes to go, the local elections put Labour at about 8pts ahead, I would imagine that's where we might end up, possibly less than that, Scotland makes it easier for labour, but from where they were at the Hartlepool by election, to get an overall majority would be a huge achievement
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Foxy said:

    Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker

    We see this letter writing nonsense every GE. It always falls apart. Everybody knows its run by and signed overwhelmingly by already well know partisan supporters. I don't know why they do it.

    Remember the ones in COVID were "leading scientists" say...and within a few hours it was clear it was the lab cleaner, some students not even doing degrees in science, etc.
    Labour is circulating one for NHS employees to sign (with donate pop-up).

    https://labour.org.uk/resources/nhs-staff-open-letter-sign-up/

    I didn't sign or donate.
    Saucy nurses for Keir, phwoaaaar
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,319
    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1795487724083810337?s=19

    Net support for national service as proposed

    I SAID the reaction on here was a load of geriatric bien pensant bollocks on acid with bells tied on by a trans hooker from Tirana on Ket with a belisha beacon fetish standing next to a labradoodle with herpes
    Again, as I said downthread, look at the strength of support. If you like it, you might like it a bit. But if you dislike it, you strongly dislike it. So it's more likely to motivate people voting against it, than for it.

    I was in the "undecided whether I'll just stay at home or actually vote Labour this time round" camp last week, now I'm in the "I will crawl naked on my bare belly across broken glass to vote Labour this time round, since the Tories think that forced fruit picking labour camps are a good idea and they need to be turfed out pronto lest they come up with any more of their horrible, authoritarian shit" camp.
    I find your insight interesting, may I ask if you are a younger voter or what sort of age group you fall into?
    Early 40s.

    My opinions often out of whack with most people because I skew very far libertarian on the lib/authoritarian axis but very centrist on the left/right axis. "People should be free to make their own decisions as much as possible, and do what they want so long as it harms none" sorta sums up my rationale for most things. So an instinctive fear of big state leftists and also a fear of fashy state social conservatives.

    Forcing people to do stuff against their will = bad in my book.
    Can I ask a follow up question?

    I'm philosophically libertarian (well, probably more anarchist) for exactly the reason you quote.

    But in our interconnected, globalised world, is there really any decision that fits into the category "harms no-one"?

    One example - I am a skydiver and many of my friends base jump. It would be an almost perfect example of your quote if we could only agree that you void any implicit contract with the NHS as you step off the phone mast in the darkness.

    But I've seen too many people injure themselves and get air lifted to hospital at the public's expense.

    So what meaningful decisions can you really make that harm no-one but yourself?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,965
    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    There's nothing more exciting than PB on election night.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,966
    Andy_JS said:

    "Ed Davey falls into lake five times while campaigning from paddleboard"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/28/ed-davey-falls-into-lake-five-times-while-paddleboarding-on/

    Davey showing Rishi how to get PROPERLY wet....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045
    Foxy said:

    Lol Labour have apparently deleted their Business leaders letter. Too many fire and rehire merchants on it. Snicker

    We see this letter writing nonsense every GE. It always falls apart. Everybody knows its run by and signed overwhelmingly by already well know partisan supporters. I don't know why they do it.

    Remember the ones in COVID were "leading scientists" say...and within a few hours it was clear it was the lab cleaner, some students not even doing degrees in science, etc.
    Labour is circulating one for NHS employees to sign (with donate pop-up).

    https://labour.org.uk/resources/nhs-staff-open-letter-sign-up/

    I didn't sign or donate.
    Are civil servants allowed to campaign in an official capacity?
  • megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
    I'm in a particularly ebullient mood. Because tomorrow I'm off to A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY - one I've never been to!

    In the rankings of EXCITING NEW COUNTRIES TO VISIT this is right down there with the worst. It is the Wick of Interesting Scottish Towns, the Newent of Beautiful England. However I love travel so much - and I've been to so many countries - ANY new country gets me unduly excited. I shall send one photo a day of dreadfully boring drinks in tediously un-scenic squares, or maybe live executions
    Rwanda! You’re going to Rwanda!
    Azerbaijan
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    You’re really obsessed with other people’s IQ aren’t you?
    yES
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    nico679 said:

    nico679 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
    Is she actually still any good at the job even forgetting all the baggage and risk? Five years ago she sounded a shell of the person of twenty years ago.
    Well it should be upto her constituents to make that decision . It just seems very cruel given others have had the whip restored.
    Whilst disagreeing with the decision, which seems petty, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it should be up to her constituents. They don't get to decide who the party picks in any case, they get presented with whoever is in with the local clique, and no one has a right to be reselected.

    Now, what will be argued is the local party should be able to select the candidate they want, we know Keir has made comments like that in the past as well. National parties have the power to intervene, but she could easily raise a stink about why in this case.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,873

    Latest JLP polling for @restispolitics has the Labour lead at 12 points.

    Only one poll, so let's see if the trend continues. But what is behind this tightening since April is the Tories going from a 8-point lead to a 20-point lead with over-65s.

    The pensioner squeeze is on.

    https://x.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1795503589349011691

    Is this in Labour’s interests? They don't want to be seen as the inevitable winners, or none of their supporters will bother.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,509
    kle4 said:

    What a fucking wanker.

    Pope Francis ‘sorry’ for homophobic slur

    Pontiff said there was too much ‘faggotry’ in seminaries, Italian newspapers reported

    The sad thing is this: Pope Francis says this sort of sh*t, and gives support to Russia in its imperialist, fascist war.

    He's still possibly the best pope we've had in centuries.

    Which says a great deal about the Catholic church and Popes...
    A textbook case of an institution which long ago prioritised its own power and prestige over any purported mission.

    Given its age possibly the ur-example..
    I want to like Pope Francis; he seems much more forward-thinking than all of his predecessors (including the original Peter?). Then he says some sh*t and I despise him.

    But at least he says some stuff I think is progressive, which is more than his predecessors.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,319

    nico679 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
    Who knows.
    In the case of Abbott is it not just a cold hard calculation that she is linked in the public's eyes to the Corbyn years and so any story like this reinforces the only message Labour really needs the public to hear: 'We have changed'?
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653

    EPG said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    Maybe if you're the leader of the Tory Party... but Labour needs the votes of the large majority of trans rights supporters.
    Are there that many people who vote Labour on the basis of women having a penis?
    Are there that many people who vote Tory on the basis of abolishing gender-neutral toilets? Probably not, in either case, but there is no use alienating them, to appeal to a similarly smallish number of other people, who will find five or ten other reasons not to vote for you anyway.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,726

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I think I might take a little step back from this site for a bit. It’s getting just a trifle silly when respected posters are leaping on 1% or 2% movements either way, especially when in the process they are breaking Mike Smithson’s Golden Rule.

    The fact is that so far nothing has happened.

    This is PB. It's a General Election. We only get them once every half decade. YES WE GET OVER-EXCITED. It's what the whole site is for, it's like you're blaming a stud camel for getting the horn when he's got his once a year bunk up with the saucy dromedary from Baluchistan
    Is there an echo in here? Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because it's better than talking to a low-watt, mid-wit, 105 IQ surburban rizz-bypass no-mark nerdspazzer like you
    You seem to have been rebooted into "absolute fucking nonsense" mode again, perhaps it's time for you to come back as Heathener who can at least use a full stop.
    I'm in a particularly ebullient mood. Because tomorrow I'm off to A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY - one I've never been to!

    In the rankings of EXCITING NEW COUNTRIES TO VISIT this is right down there with the worst. It is the Wick of Interesting Scottish Towns, the Newent of Beautiful England. However I love travel so much - and I've been to so many countries - ANY new country gets me unduly excited. I shall send one photo a day of dreadfully boring drinks in tediously un-scenic squares, or maybe live executions
    Rwanda! You’re going to Rwanda!
    More likely Burundi!
  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 737
    On topic - the above is very useful but does not explain all. RW has the Cons leading Lab on undecideds by a princely 1% so even with a squeeze question you would be looking at a lead 9 points bigger than JLP. It seems JLP may be the Con equivalent of Survation for the Corbynites in 2017. Whether they will turn out to be as correct we shall see.

    Though, of course, Corbyn did lose and even JLP still has us a metric mile away from even a hung Parliament
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    DougSeal said:

    Jonathan said:

    Personally, I expect the polls to move soon. The Conservatives have been dominating the campaign so far with a very Trumpian approach. The more their campaign is mocked, the happier they will be I reckon.

    It amplifies the message every time someone does it.
    Yes, but that's only a good thing if the message is is a good one.

    Personally I'm the kind of voter you should be getting, but Sunak's messaging is pushing me further and further away, not closer.

    Edit: Which is a shame as Jeremy Hunt's messaging lately has been one I really support, so if that had been the Tory agenda I could have been won back, but the opposite is happening with this.
    Fair enough, and my only caution is be careful what you wish for.

    I don't think you'll enjoy a Labour government.
    Have you been enjoying this Conservative one? Really?

    I've been critical of it, embarrassed about it and, at times, held my head in both my hands. A handful of them are only interested in lining their own pockets, and indulging in vomit-inducing sexual peccadillos. They've failed to deliver several core areas of their policy platform and, at times, displayed breathtaking incompetence. It's not a great record.

    But, they have delivered important reforms on pensions, education and welfare, they have reduced unemployment, they have delivered a reset of our relationship with the EU, they have moved us a little way to sensible market-based decarbonisation, and are putting up at least some opposition to the idiocies of identity politics. Their foreign policy is sensible and logical.

    Perhaps most importantly, fundamentally, the Conservatives leave me and my family alone. They don't look to nanny me, regulate me, or come after my rights, choices or money. They at least aspire to keep tax low, and look to balance the books, and there have been some truly horrid events in the world in the last few years that have made that much much harder. Now, we're almost out the woods. There is some light - some.

    I know Labour will be coming for me, and I don't think it will do either me or the country much good. So, it's a slightly sheepish vote for the Tories for me - but still a vote.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    After the open letter writing nonsense, next is celeb endorsements. I presume we will be getting wall to wall celebs saying vote Labour shortly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    nico679 said:

    nico679 said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Times - Diana Abbott will not be allowed to stand for Labour...

    Shocked !! Her face doesn’t fit. All the fake outrage from labour when the Tory dumpy made racist comments about her was simply political opportunism.

    Labour are really getting a free ride from the current stitch ups and very late standings down of MPs. All of whom to be replaced with SKS loyalists.

    Oh, and Dr Shola is not happy.

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1795433421084197375?s=61
    The purge continues;

    Exclusive with @patrickkmaguire

    Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate in the general election, bringing an end to her 37-year career in Parliament

    There are no circumstances in which she will stand under the Labour banner on July 4

    Senior aides to Starmer have held discussions about restoring her to Labuor whip before election to allow her to leave politics 'with dignity'

    t.co/wgAyXKLqji


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1795507562596421771?
    It's not just the Left: he pushes out into the cold anyone who doesn't toe the line. Witness Rosie Duffield.

    I get the whole "ruthless" argument for a leader to win but, in that case, it doesn't actually make much sense since her position resonates electorally.
    I just don’t understand this decision . She apologized and withdrew her comments and did a course . Something else must have happened behind the scenes.
    Is she actually still any good at the job even forgetting all the baggage and risk? Five years ago she sounded a shell of the person of twenty years ago.
    Well it should be upto her constituents to make that decision . It just seems very cruel given others have had the whip restored.
    I heard from a reliable source is that she refused to give assurances that she wouldn't campaign for Jeremy Corbyn.

    So Starmer's made the right call.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,111
    I'm liking the new graphic on polling from Wikipedia:
    I do wonder if a combined Reform/Green squeeze will be the main change from the polling average to actual results. Not that it would change the headline result materially.
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