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DougSeal said:

bigjohnowls said:

SandyRentool said:

Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

Well your Party

Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies

I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.

Well you aren't paying much attention.

I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

More NHS privatisation?
Austerity on stilts?
Zionism without qualification?
Not Nationalising water?
Increasing funding for wars?
Weekly U Turns on Policy?

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

bigjohnowls said:

DougSeal said:

bigjohnowls said:

SandyRentool said:

Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

Well your Party

Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies

I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.

Well you aren't paying much attention.

I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

More NHS privatisation?
Austerity on stilts?
Zionism without qualification?
Not Nationalising water?
Increasing funding for wars?
Weekly U Turns on Policy?

I get it. You're another numpty for whom Gaza matters more than the people you pretended to support for decades - citizens of the UK. How the mask falls.

It's patently ridiculous; short of invading Israel, we have very little power over them. And the side you are supporting are not any better than Israel - and you can argue worse.

And the Greens are just as bad as Starmer when it comes to stupidity and inconsistency.

More in Common look like winning the first poll fully after GE called race with a poll on Times Radio after 5pm, Tryl teases positive news in personal ratings for one of the two main leaders...... yay polling!

The UK seems to be the only country where young people aren't trending populist right.

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

France is relatively less split along gender lines than other countries:

Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

Ah yes, those halcyon days when young women could wander our streets without a care in the world, as all the white men treated them with utter respect and courtesy.

bigjohnowls said:

DougSeal said:

bigjohnowls said:

SandyRentool said:

Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

Well your Party

Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies

I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.

Well you aren't paying much attention.

I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

More NHS privatisation?
Austerity on stilts?
Zionism without qualification?
Not Nationalising water?
Increasing funding for wars?
Weekly U Turns on Policy?

1) Caring about outcomes rather than ownership models?
2) Spending the money we have rather than the money we don't?
3) Not instinctively siding with the thugs from Hamas?
4) Caring about outcomes rather than ownership models?
5) I don't even know what you're on about for this one.
6) Fair point.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Bids for election debates are being made by broadcasters individually rather than collectively, with a scramble behind the scenes likely in the coming days as they seek confirmations.

Nick Robinson, the BBC’s former political editor and host of the Today programme on Radio Four, is also due to hold interviews with constantly interrupt all the party leaders, if they agree to do so.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/23/tories-keir-starmer-record-six-tv-debates-general-election/

Let’s hope the major broadcasters lose out to a bunch of podcasters - Triggernometry anyone, sitting them both down for hours outside the broadcast rules?

Given the change in the media landscape since the last election, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see parties organise debates between themselves under agreed rules, and leave the broadcasters with the choice to accept the stream or not.

Russell Brand ;-)

I think even Ed Miliband realised that was a bad idea.

I think a smart politician, you do all these podcasts regularly before we even get anywhere near an election campaign. Its the modern equivalent of Cameron Direct events, so you already built a reasonable brand outside of the media narrative. Ben Houchen has done a bit of that, I think he has been on the likes of Unherd and Triggernometry.

Hasn't Starmer already been doing pretty much this? He's guested on a podcast every week or so over the past year, though usually not politics or economics based - more often football, food or lifestyle.

Fairly low stakes, but has paid dividends in how at ease he now seems in those sort of settings.

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.

Malmesbury said:

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TheScreamingEagles said:

eek said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

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Scott_xP said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@Scott_xP

I refer you to the first post of this thread and the limit on the number of embedded photos.

You need to clarify the distinction between embedded and linked

And you, the distinction between one and more than one.

Thus far my embedded photo count stands at zero

No it doesn't.

Any embed either via Vanilla or via a website link counts as an embed.

Vanilla overall sees it as an image then eventually starts shrinking/blurring all photos.

That makes zero sense - but hey it's Vanilla and a lot of the things they do make no sense.

Indeed, they didn't tell us they were hiding the view likes, it was only thanks to BenPointer having a look on the Vanilla website that he made me aware of the fix.

Don't tell me - if you want to have lots of people posting lots of the photos, you have to pay Vanilla lots of money?

With this new system, the pressure is certainly now on to find a decent photo every day

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

"The march of Europe’s right-wing women"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-march-of-europes-right-wing-women/

The same thing will happen to gay people - Pym Fortuyn was an early adopter, and it has already happened to Jews

People realise that these multicultural socities we are building, based on identity politics, are actually quite hostile places for Jews, gays, young white women, young white men

I pondered what to spend my day's photographic allocation on.

But I did not ponder too long.

Farooq said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.

So... being right-wing a sign of dissatisfaction?

Dissatisfaction with the status quo, which is left-liberal.

IanB2 said:

Malmesbury said:

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TheScreamingEagles said:

eek said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

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Scott_xP said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@Scott_xP

I refer you to the first post of this thread and the limit on the number of embedded photos.

You need to clarify the distinction between embedded and linked

And you, the distinction between one and more than one.

Thus far my embedded photo count stands at zero

No it doesn't.

Any embed either via Vanilla or via a website link counts as an embed.

Vanilla overall sees it as an image then eventually starts shrinking/blurring all photos.

That makes zero sense - but hey it's Vanilla and a lot of the things they do make no sense.

Indeed, they didn't tell us they were hiding the view likes, it was only thanks to BenPointer having a look on the Vanilla website that he made me aware of the fix.

Don't tell me - if you want to have lots of people posting lots of the photos, you have to pay Vanilla lots of money?

With this new system, the pressure is certainly now on to find a decent photo every day

Well, this is mine for the day:

Farooq said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.

So... being right-wing a sign of dissatisfaction?

It is when the’re attacking the current government from the right. Look to mainland Europe for an example of the road this goes down, although thankfully the worst we’ve had so far in the UK is Farage, bar the sad episode of Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons in 2004(?). The UK has so far escaped the likes of the Front National or the AfD, which are all over Europe at the moment, but that doesn’t mean it’s not coming if the political Establishment delivers nothing for large numbers of working class men.

state_go_away said:

I see Skybet are running scared by closing down the bet recommended in the header already - shows the bookies take note of this site .The site comes alive for betting at GE and hopefully most posts will be betting related or giving info to be used for bets

They'll have algos and triggers whenever there's a flurry of bets on anything that skew the book.

I don't think they directly monitor this site. Exl

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

I think you need a new word for "woke" Casino. Woke doesn't mean anything.

*Sighs*

Offtopic: the blue (tit) team are taking a bit of a beating

We had ten blue tit eggs in our box and at least 7-8 hatched, I think; we now seem to be down to two live chicks and the parent(s) are busy dismembering and removing the bodies, rather than feeding the two survivors. They're probably at least another week from fledging. Not sure what's happened this year - there's always been some attrition, but always above 50% success from egg -> fledge. Maybe the rain has taken out all the food or something.

Quincel said:

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

This is the numbers I've seen. Young men in many countries are demonstrating a right-wing backlash (or at least counter-movement) to the previous trend of young people becoming much more left/liberal than their parents (far more so than typical generational gaps). Young women mostly aren't. Whether young men are acting as they are because of how young women act, or how other parts of society are acting, or a combination of both, is hard to say for sure. But I think some of it is a direct backlash to feeling 'reverse victimised' by gender politics in their generation.

(Not saying I agree or disagree with them, btw. This is just my observations.)

The irony is that I don't think (outside a few examples of ultra-liberal organisations) that men are discrimated against. I still see women with confidence issues not putting themselves forward, being more shy in meetings and missing out because they can't travel and network as much.

However, men do have to go along with the idea that they are privileged and have all the cards/advantages, etc, and are latent sex creeps, which pisses them off. Particularly when they do work hard to get on and are professional.

A lot of good would be done by just modelling and rewarding good behaviours in organisations and shutting up about all the rest.

Farooq said:

williamglenn said:

Farooq said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.

So... being right-wing a sign of dissatisfaction?

Dissatisfaction with the status quo, which is left-liberal.

But women are trending the other way, so the status quo is also conservative? Confusing.

Support for the status quo isn't a bad working definiton of small-c conservatism.

eek said:

williamglenn said:

Scathing from Nikki Haley:

https://x.com/nikkihaley/status/1793380961012388094

“Look at what Biden has done in Ukraine. He did nothing to deter the invasion. He assumed Ukraine would fall within days.
 
While the Ukrainians have proven to be amazing fighters, Biden refuses to help them win. He gives them just enough to survive, while Russian missiles and tanks grind their country to dust.”

Um wasn't the last delivery of equipment to the Ukraine blocked by Republicans in Congress for months...

Similarly.
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1793586386513330548

The GOP seems to have Vennells levels of recall when it comes to what they voted for in Congress.

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

France is relatively less split along gender lines than other countries:

Graph there explains the disastrous birthrate in S Korea.

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

France is relatively less split along gender lines than other countries:

Graph there explains the disastrous birthrate in S Korea.

The American graph is also quite spectacular. Britian usually follows America

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

France is relatively less split along gender lines than other countries:

UK is fascinating, but but the text says - outwith US - it's measured by support for conservative and liberal political parties. Pre-Cameron the Cons were pretty conservative, as measured, I guess. But post-2010 Cons look fairly liberal, so does that switch explain the sudden jump in support? It also limits the scope for measuring more conservatism in a FPTP system with few parties unless one of the big ones is seen to have gone conservative.

I don't know how the conservatism/liberalism of parties is measured here, but it seems a odd way to go about it. BES may itself have more direct questions, but if not there are plenty of other UK surverys that would - e.g. ONS Opinions and Lifestyle Survey.

Cookie said:

bigjohnowls said:

DougSeal said:

bigjohnowls said:

SandyRentool said:

Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

Well your Party

Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies

I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.

Well you aren't paying much attention.

I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

More NHS privatisation?
Austerity on stilts?
Zionism without qualification?
Not Nationalising water?
Increasing funding for wars?
Weekly U Turns on Policy?

1) Caring about outcomes rather than ownership models?
2) Spending the money we have rather than the money we don't?
3) Not instinctively siding with the thugs from Hamas?
4) Caring about outcomes rather than ownership models?
5) I don't even know what you're on about for this one.
6) Fair point.

1)Not wasting taxpayer funds on cherry picking wasteful Private Health Companies
2) We do have money its about priorities
3) Not instinctively siding with IDF Thugs and self identified Fascists
4) Private water Companies have failed every outcome measure and now what to raise bills by 35% to 75%
5) Increasing defence spending ahead of public services spending (its not Trident rocket science)
6)SKS fans wont agree its a fair point

Just add a factor into men moving rightwards...girls have been far outperforming boys at school, white boys in particular, which leads to better degrees, which leads to better job opportunities, which can lead to resentment of the status quo and all the stuff about (white) men having privilege etc.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Looks who has popped up,

Peter Mandelson fears he inadvertently caused Rishi Sunak to call a snap July election
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2OoRb_uAa4

Thats what happens when your sacrificing chickens and sticking pins in voodoo dolls at the same time.

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

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Leon said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

Comments about Farage on this GB News video are pretty brutal

Think the penny might finally have dropped with this grifters fan base.

What reemerges from the wreckage of the right after this elecion will probably be much younger and more right wing.

Yes, mirroring what’s been seen in the US this year.

The very weird trend is that people are no longer trending right as they get older to the same extent as previously (possibly related to home ownership), but that the youngsters are trending right, possibly as a rebellion.

The young are trending right because young white men can see they are at the back of the queue for everything, behind every single minority, and all women; young white women are trending right because the city streets are becoming less safe for them, as we import people from more violent and/or patriarchal cultures, getting hissed at for wearing short skirts, etc

Go look at interviews with young French Le Pen supporters, if you need evidence

There's something about talking too much about identity that reinforces it. And not always in the way that you'd perhaps like.

But, I don't think young women are trending right - for now, they are very liberal/woke and that possibly increases the more men go the other way.

There’s a massive gender imbalance, young men are trending right and young women trending left.

Having a large group of dissatisfied young men, doesn’t generally work out too well for any country.

Based on my teenage children and their friends I'd say young women are extremely left/liberal and young men are much more apolitical. The chart showing young women as very left wing and young men as moderately left wing looks about right, for this country at least. Perhaps not in France, but they have always been nuts.

It’s niche but it seems that the latest tax policy blog post https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/05/23/the-kc-who-sold-a-hopeless-tax-avoidance-scheme-without-declaring-a-conflict-of-interest/ puts Ed Davey very close to a completely hopeless tax avoidance scheme

Nigel's put out a damage limitation video lol

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1793664225614655826

It really is quite funny to watch REF imploding on day one.

williamglenn said:

Scathing from Nikki Haley:

https://x.com/nikkihaley/status/1793380961012388094

“Look at what Biden has done in Ukraine. He did nothing to deter the invasion. He assumed Ukraine would fall within days.
 
While the Ukrainians have proven to be amazing fighters, Biden refuses to help them win. He gives them just enough to survive, while Russian missiles and tanks grind their country to dust.”

She is aware that her guy isn’t even going to give them enough to survive. You can’t attack someone for doing nothing if your lot intends to do less.

This should help the SNP leadership debate

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/23/free-church-of-scotland-under-fire-for-failure-to-apologise-over-slavery-money

Todays news from the hustings

SKS Keir confirms Labour will not scrap the 2-child benefit cap

A ‘no’ to lifting 250k children out of poverty

SKS shocks us with the news his Dad was a Toolmaker (never a truer word) and his mother a nurse (i am sure she would be proud of SKS taking donations from private health lobbyists and the consequent expansion of NHS private sector involvement policy)

Sunak in Scotland:

https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1793669862306537484

GIN1138 said:

Nigel's put out a damage limitation video lol

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1793664225614655826

It really is quite funny to watch REF imploding on day one.

Farage would likely have won Clacton, had he stood there.

IanB2 said:

Malmesbury said:

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TheScreamingEagles said:

eek said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

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Scott_xP said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@Scott_xP

I refer you to the first post of this thread and the limit on the number of embedded photos.

You need to clarify the distinction between embedded and linked

And you, the distinction between one and more than one.

Thus far my embedded photo count stands at zero

No it doesn't.

Any embed either via Vanilla or via a website link counts as an embed.

Vanilla overall sees it as an image then eventually starts shrinking/blurring all photos.

That makes zero sense - but hey it's Vanilla and a lot of the things they do make no sense.

Indeed, they didn't tell us they were hiding the view likes, it was only thanks to BenPointer having a look on the Vanilla website that he made me aware of the fix.

Don't tell me - if you want to have lots of people posting lots of the photos, you have to pay Vanilla lots of money?

With this new system, the pressure is certainly now on to find a decent photo every day

The penalising photos based on non-hosted images indicates that they want someone to pay them for the right to post images.

Cookie said:

sbjme19 said:

Quite surprised Merriman is standing down. Been an OK minister, quite young and v safe seat.

I rate him quite highly.

He's still only 50. Young enough for a shortish but lucratiive second career earning lots more than he would earn doing the boring slog of an opposition MP on MPs pay (not a miinister's pay, as now). Not surprising he's bolted

Alanbrooke said:

This should help the SNP leadership debate

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/23/free-church-of-scotland-under-fire-for-failure-to-apologise-over-slavery-money

I was under the impression that slavery had been abolished for 20 years, prior to 1853.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Can anybody smell bullshit?

Nigel Farage ‘was all set to run as MP’ but changed mind over early election
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/23/nigel-farage-says-he-will-not-stand-in-general-election/

Isn't Our Nige a friend of Mr Trump, picking up his "testify ... testify ... testify ... no - can't, mummy, save me" habit.

bigjohnowls said:

JosiasJessop said:

bigjohnowls said:

DougSeal said:

bigjohnowls said:

SandyRentool said:

Lucas on BBC. Amazingly, talking about environmental issues.

I thought she was in the Green Party - what about Trans and Gaza?

Well your Party

Has binned the New Green Deal in favour of austerity (same as the Blue Tories)

Support Zionism without question and cheerleads Genocide in Gaza (like the blue Tories)

Is all over the place on Trans rights (depends on what is considered most popular)

Enjoy voting for the Party with Zero principles and rotating policies

I thought you supported Galloway's bunch now? I lose track.

Well you aren't paying much attention.

I have been a member of the Green Party since 2022 and will be voting for them.

In Rochdale GG was the best option for defeating the GAZA Genocide cheerleaders and the Greens withdrew support for their own Candidate due to Islamophobic tweets.

Anyway what are you most looking forward to under PM SKS and austerity Reeves

More NHS privatisation?
Austerity on stilts?
Zionism without qualification?
Not Nationalising water?
Increasing funding for wars?
Weekly U Turns on Policy?

I get it. You're another numpty for whom Gaza matters more than the people you pretended to support for decades - citizens of the UK. How the mask falls.

It's patently ridiculous; short of invading Israel, we have very little power over them. And the side you are supporting are not any better than Israel - and you can argue worse.

And the Greens are just as bad as Starmer when it comes to stupidity and inconsistency.

My top priority is a public Owned and run NHS see number 1 on my list - Greens agree Red and Blue Tories dont
Not having austerity economics is my 2nd priority - Greens agree Red and Blue Tories dont
Stopping Genocide is 3rd most important Greens agree Red and Blue Tories dont agree
Stopping shit in our waters is 4th Greens have a plan both Tory Parties don't
Prioritising public services over war same applies
Having strong principles as above Rishi and SKS would sell their Grandmothers

Hope that helps

No, because history shows that the Greens won't do what they say at first; if it means gaining votes.

You treat them as though they are some unique force of virtue. They are not; quite the opposite. And I think you're on the same team as @Dura_Ace as well...

kinabalu said:

northern_monkey said:

Selebian said:

wooliedyed said:

Foxy said:

Cookie said:

Scott_xP said:

@paulwaugh

After his rain-soaked launch, Rishi Sunak has so far today:
- asked Welsh workers if they're looking forward to 'all the football' [not realising Wales not in Euro2024]
- had 2 Tory cllrs cosplaying as members of public to ask him Qs

It's only Day 2.

Football doesn't seem to be such a big part of football as it used to be, does it? In the 90s and noughties, the football team the PM supported was an important fact that everyone had to know. There may have been an Only Connect round on it - Chelsea, Newcastle United, Raith Rovers, Aston Villa. But who did TMay suuport? Boris? Rishi? I couldn't say.

Which is probably healthy, really. Nothing* intrinsically wrong with football, but it strikes me as daft that our favourite football teams should be an important factor about us. (I couldn't say what any PM's favourite county cricket team or rugby team is, with the exception of Major at Surrey, and nor would I expect to be able to.)



*Actually lots, but let's not go into that now.

Sunak supports Southampton.

I wonder if he will be at the playoff final this weekend.

Leeds lads will give him a warm welcome

I coach a local U7 team; we have a couple of lads in Leeds Academy too. One of them, just getting started last year, used to bawl his eyes out lying on the floor whenever he was on the losing team - first time it happened I thought he'd got some kind of bad injury that I'd missed! As his mum put it (last season), "he's a Leeds Utd fan, he'll have to learn how to cope with losing!"

Good to see them back in the mix for top flight next year.

LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS!!!

Not that I'm particularly a fan of football, but it would be nice for them to go back up. I was touched by how happy my mate was to have got a ticket for the final.

You might know this - for the second leg against Norwich at Elland Road they put a scarf on each home fan's seat - apparently it was an amazing site to see them all held aloft.

Yes I'd rather Sheff Wed but Leeds back in the top flight would be good to see.

One of my favourite things about football (let's give the sport some credit for a change) has been its, on the whole, stubborn refusal to go in for the Americanisation of team names. You don't make the game any more exciting or get any more supporters for changing the name for Hull City to Hull Tigers (a proposal which was happily kicked firmly into the long grass) nor Bradford Northern to Bradford Bulls. It is marketing, change for change's sake, and I am suspicious of both, so well done to football for keeping this sort of thing to an absolute minimum. (I still lament slightly every time I hear the name Leicester City that they saw fit to change from the singular and excellent Leicester Fosse.)
But even in this stolidly conservative field, Sheffield Wednesday is worth celebrating. It does not claim to be a wild animal, nor celebrate the virtues of togetherness, nor imply any sort of sporting ability, nor commemorate any martial connection, nor even note civic status. It doesn't even point to an obscure bit of geography. It simply celebrates a day of the week. Arguably the most boring day of the week. A name to baffle Americans, and who could not get behind that? (Obviously it would be even better with their previous name of 'The Wednesday', as if Wednesday could ever meaningfully have a definite article. But still.)

Malmesbury said:

IanB2 said:

Malmesbury said:

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TheScreamingEagles said:

eek said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_xP said:

Nigelb said:

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Scott_xP said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@Scott_xP

I refer you to the first post of this thread and the limit on the number of embedded photos.

You need to clarify the distinction between embedded and linked

And you, the distinction between one and more than one.

Thus far my embedded photo count stands at zero

No it doesn't.

Any embed either via Vanilla or via a website link counts as an embed.

Vanilla overall sees it as an image then eventually starts shrinking/blurring all photos.

That makes zero sense - but hey it's Vanilla and a lot of the things they do make no sense.

Indeed, they didn't tell us they were hiding the view likes, it was only thanks to BenPointer having a look on the Vanilla website that he made me aware of the fix.

Don't tell me - if you want to have lots of people posting lots of the photos, you have to pay Vanilla lots of money?

With this new system, the pressure is certainly now on to find a decent photo every day

The penalising photos based on non-hosted images indicates that they want someone to pay them for the right to post images.

Let me catch up: so Vanilla are penalising any photos, even photos via a website link from a different site? Tsk! Wankers

bigjohnowls said:

Todays news from the hustings

SKS Keir confirms Labour will not scrap the 2-child benefit cap

A ‘no’ to lifting 250k children out of poverty

SKS shocks us with the news his Dad was a Toolmaker (never a truer word) and his mother a nurse (i am sure she would be proud of SKS taking donations from private health lobbyists and the consequent expansion of NHS private sector involvement policy)

Why does the ownership model of the NHS matter so much to you? Surely the quality of healthcare delivered is the more important measure? On which basis, the UK, with its singular system, is middling. Nationalised healthcare has its virtues - chiefly value for money, I think - but it would be hard to claim that our model has given us any particular advantage which changing it threatens to erode.

Sandpit said:

state_go_away said:

Cookie said:

david_herdson said:

Cookie said:

Scott_xP said:

@paulwaugh

After his rain-soaked launch, Rishi Sunak has so far today:
- asked Welsh workers if they're looking forward to 'all the football' [not realising Wales not in Euro2024]
- had 2 Tory cllrs cosplaying as members of public to ask him Qs

It's only Day 2.

Football doesn't seem to be such a big part of football as it used to be, does it? In the 90s and noughties, the football team the PM supported was an important fact that everyone had to know. There may have been an Only Connect round on it - Chelsea, Newcastle United, Raith Rovers, Aston Villa. But who did TMay suuport? Boris? Rishi? I couldn't say.

Which is probably healthy, really. Nothing* intrinsically wrong with football, but it strikes me as daft that our favourite football teams should be an important factor about us. (I couldn't say what any PM's favourite county cricket team or rugby team is, with the exception of Major at Surrey, and nor would I expect to be able to.)

*Actually lots, but let's not go into that now.

The last three, excluding Truss, have been cricket / rugby / cricket though, without even the pretence of following a football team (probably for the best). But enjoying a sport doesn't necessarily mean having to support a team in it, even though it usually does.

Quite - I quite admire sports which people will watch without really caring who wins (or even knowing who they will see before they turn up). Tennis and snooker fall into this category. (I'm sadly immune to the charms of tennis, but I do like snooker.)

Personally, I'd watch a rugby match - union or league - no matter who was playing, and can enjoy it without caring who wins. Cricket, though, I need to pick a side. Football is an easier watch if I genuinely don't care who wins - if I do it will only make me sad or angry.

I think Athletics is the ultimate sport for not caring who wins but very watchable. Maybe its the pureness of it. Even the team relays are hard to get too partisan about - You just want to see the best whoever lines up .
Athletics gets me most emotional though of any sport - Bolt at his best , Jo Pavey winning the 10K (just watch and listen to the youtube commentary on this!!) , Jessica Ennis

Almost nothing beats the 100m final at the Olympics, it’s the ultimate pure human challenge. For what’s now quite a bit less than ten seconds.

I suspect that, barring injury, that all eight runners will be under 10s for the first time ever.
(Eight of nine under 10s has been done already, albeit wind-assisted https://sports.yahoo.com/andre-de-grasse-100-meter-dash-field-sub-10-second-finish-233229031.html)

Nah, the 100 metres is for specialist freaks. I quite like the multisports; triathlon; decathalon etc. Winter sports do it better, with the biathlon. I wonder why I like that...

Alanbrooke said:

This should help the SNP leadership debate

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/23/free-church-of-scotland-under-fire-for-failure-to-apologise-over-slavery-money

What a crock. They are expected to apologise for something that happened in 1844. They should just tell these people demanding an apology to do one.

Alanbrooke said:

John Curtice calls it against Sunak

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/23/nothing-short-of-a-miracle-will-keep-rishi-in-number-10/

"Perhaps not all is lost" is surprisingly upbeat.

bondegezou said:

eek said:

It’s niche but it seems that the latest tax policy blog post https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/05/23/the-kc-who-sold-a-hopeless-tax-avoidance-scheme-without-declaring-a-conflict-of-interest/ puts Ed Davey very close to a completely hopeless tax avoidance scheme

What does that have to do with Davey?

The footnotes at the end. Davey publicly defended the barrister being accused of dodginess when allegations were made. I agree with the footnotes: It's not clear why he felt any loyalty given the situation. There's no reason to believe he was involved or profiting from the 'avoidance' scheme, it was probably naivete and a reflexive defensiveness which comes from being in politics and getting used to bad faith attacks as a matter of course.

FrancisUrquhart said:

wooliedyed said:

First poll post call is out
MORE IN COMMON
Lab 44(+1)
Con 27 (-)
Ref 10 (-1)
Ld 9 (-)
Green 5 (-1 )
SnP 3

I think we in the end see the Tories scrape to 30 by squeezing Ref, Lib Dems nick a point or two off Lab. And that will be it.

30% or 30 total seats?

Taz said:

Alanbrooke said:

This should help the SNP leadership debate

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/23/free-church-of-scotland-under-fire-for-failure-to-apologise-over-slavery-money

What a crock. They are expected to apologise for something that happened in 1844. They should just tell these people demanding an apology to do one.

The good Lord in his wisdom gave us the words fuck and off for a purpose