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Is a trifecta of Tory mayoral victories on the cards? – politicalbetting.com

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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,185

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
    Yes that's solid for Labour - esp with them doing well in the right places. London Mayor matters (a lot) but a shock there wouldn't change the underlying message - which is Labour heading for a very comfortable GE win.
    Ooh you’re nervous, how delightful

    I’m not sure why tho, in the end I reckon khan will have a reasonably easy win. Postal votes

    The postal votes will favour the Tories as they will mostly come from older voters. I've been saying for months that Khan could lose and I strongly suspect that he will. If he holds on it will only be because the Tories chose such a poor candidate. Anyone half decent and it would not even have been in doubt.

    YouGov's latest poll had Sadiq Khan 22% ahead.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 470
    Any locals explain why Labour went backwards in Walsall but then gain 11 seats in Cannock Chase? Is it just Andy Street's coattails?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,587
    edited May 3

    I was preparing for egg on my face when I said Susan Hall would get within 5%.

    I’m now starting to think the unthinkable and that she might win.

    Based on next to nothing?

    Betfair had remain still in contention, long after almost all PB’ers could see this was impossible, based on one throwaway comment on the BBC probably intended to maintain some interest in a contest that was effectively over.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,803
    Sky News projection from Prof Michael Thrasher: Labour on course to be largest party at general election - short of overall majority
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,431
    edited May 3
    viewcode said:

    You can still get £109 at 6.2 on Hall from Betfair Exchange. Just sayin... :)

    I may be coming over all Rogerdamus here but come Sunday when Khan has won, relatively well but with a reduced majority, I’ll be enjoying the threads here.

    This may be a hostage to fortune. I don’t think it is.
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    Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 2,781
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    They tend to like Rishi Sunak, Sajid Javid, Kemi Badenoch, James Cleverly, etc, so it can't be that.
    In Sadiq Khan's case, the dislike (from some) is not about race.
    It's about his religion.
    I’ve got left wing friends who cordially despise him, and it’s quite visceral. They think he’s depressing and mendacious and not good for London. Even if he wins it’s not gonna be some triumph. He really should have stepped aside for a better Labour candidate with new ideas
    Good to hear that my fellow lefties are cordial in their visceral hatred.
    What I mean is they are fairly polite about him (I’m not) because he’s one of theirs. But then they say “he really shouldn’t be standing again”, they grimace and sigh at the idea of him, they say “oh
    god, not kahn again, what’s he ever done” - it is emotional/visceral


    I’m a lot blunter
    People called Kahn tend to be Jewish. People called Khan tend to be Moslem. It's a minor difference but a lot can hang on it.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,945
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
    Yes that's solid for Labour - esp with them doing well in the right places. London Mayor matters (a lot) but a shock there wouldn't change the underlying message - which is Labour heading for a very comfortable GE win.
    Ooh you’re nervous, how delightful

    I’m not sure why tho, in the end I reckon khan will have a reasonably easy win. Postal votes

    The postal votes will favour the Tories as they will mostly come from older voters. I've been saying for months that Khan could lose and I strongly suspect that he will. If he holds on it will only be because the Tories chose such a poor candidate. Anyone half decent and it would not even have been in doubt.

    YouGov's latest poll had Sadiq Khan 22% ahead.
    Do they make much effort at estimating pollout for locals though? If everyone voted Sadiq would clearly win easily. But its hard to find people enthused by him in left, right or centre. And easy to find people who rightly or wrong have a visceral dislike.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,803
    Sunak will be chirpy, now

    Suddenly the Total Loser tag doesn’t quite fit

    Fix the boats, get Reform voters back…
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,519
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
    Yes that's solid for Labour - esp with them doing well in the right places. London Mayor matters (a lot) but a shock there wouldn't change the underlying message - which is Labour heading for a very comfortable GE win.
    Ooh you’re nervous, how delightful

    I’m not sure why tho, in the end I reckon khan will have a reasonably easy win. Postal votes
    Higher turnout in Deplorable than Progressive areas is a definite worry.

    But yes I think he should still win. 🤞
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,322
    edited May 3
    SKY GENERAL ELECTION PROJECTION:

    Lab 294
    Con 242
    LD 38
    Others 66

    I think expectation would be that Lab would do better due to tactical voting. Also impact of Reform who didn't stand in most Locals.

    But even so, projection seems extraordinary given Lab Majority is still 1.19 on Betfair.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,686
    kinabalu said:

    Oh god were London's Deplorables more focused and energetic than its Progressives yesterday?

    I'm in the clear if the worst happens. I went and voted Sadiq despite a light drizzle.

    I hope you're feeling better now.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,561
    HYUFD said:

    Sky news projection based on locals Labour 294 seats and Conservatives 242, LDs 38

    I very, very much doubt that. It seems to me that the Labour gains from the Tories are being heavily understated because they are losing quite a lot of council seats to their left, specifically in Muslim areas. Their net gains are therefore less than they might be. Some, such as Sky, are suggesting that the Tories are losing a lot to "others" but I think this is wrong. It is Labour who are losing to others and then gaining big time from the Tories.

    The bad news for the Tories is that this means that Labour gains in areas where there are competitive seats are much greater than it appears and there is a real risk that there is a significant increase in the efficiency of the Labour vote with them doing much less well in ultra safe seats but still winnning.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 7,543
    Leon said:

    Sky News projection from Prof Michael Thrasher: Labour on course to be largest party at general election - short of overall majority

    Thrasher drops the mic and wanders off, laughing
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029
    MikeL said:

    SKY GENERAL ELECTION PROJECTION:

    Lab 294
    Con 242
    LD 38
    Others 66

    I think expectation would be that Lab would do better due to tactical voting.

    But even so, projection seems extraordinary given Lab Majority is still 1.19 on Betfair.

    I’d say we bank this and just cancel the GE.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,049
    HYUFD said:

    Sky news projection based on locals Labour 294 seats and Conservatives 242, LDs 38

    I don't believe this. I think there are too many factors at present that are warping the local results that will fade into the background at the GE. I don't necessarily think Starmer will get the landslide people are expecting but I think he will get a comfortable working majority.

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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,638
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    You can still get £109 at 6.2 on Hall from Betfair Exchange. Just sayin... :)

    I may be coming over all Rogerdamus here but come Sunday when Khan has won, relatively well but with a reduced majority, I’ll be enjoying the threads here.

    This may be a hostage to fortune. I don’t think it is.
    Khan was only 4.7pp ahead in the first-round in 2021. There's not much scope for him to win with a reduced majority.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,316
    Leon said:

    Sky News projection from Prof Michael Thrasher: Labour on course to be largest party at general election - short of overall majority

    What the Tories need now is an SNP revival and they might be in with a chance.
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    kamskikamski Posts: 4,340
    MikeL said:

    SKY GENERAL ELECTION PROJECTION:

    Lab 294
    Con 242
    LD 38
    Others 66

    I think expectation would be that Lab would do better due to tactical voting. Also impact of Reform who didn't stand in most Locals.

    But even so, projection seems extraordinary given Lab Majority is still 1.19 on Betfair.

    Punters trust opinion polls more than local election results?
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 470
    A flood of Bristol results

    Horfield: Labour HOLD (x2)
    Stoke Bishop: Conservative HOLD (x2)
    Bishopston: Greens HOLD (x2)
    Ashley Down: Greens HOLD (x2)
    Bishopsworth: Labour GAIN from Conservative (x1), Conservative HOLD (x1)

    Declared 16/70
    Labour 6 (+1)
    Conservative 5 (-1)
    Green 5 (+1)
    Lib Dem 0 (-1)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,751

    NEW THREAD

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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,204
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    You can still get £109 at 6.2 on Hall from Betfair Exchange. Just sayin... :)

    I may be coming over all Rogerdamus here but come Sunday when Khan has won, relatively well but with a reduced majority, I’ll be enjoying the threads here.

    This may be a hostage to fortune. I don’t think it is.
    Of course you're right. We are (well me is) spinning rumour into twine in the absence of fact, if you'll excuse the Chris Morris-ing . But as I said I am struck: where are Khan's legions? Where is he winning?
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    boulayboulay Posts: 4,141

    I was preparing for egg on my face when I said Susan Hall would get within 5%.

    I’m now starting to think the unthinkable and that she might win.

    It’s all going to be a bit FA cup semifinal Man Utd v Coventry. Sadiq Utd cruising v the unfancied and unfashionable Susan City and then, it goes a bit weird and everyone thinks “could the underdog actually do it???”

    And it’s so close and then Sadiq Utd nick it on penalties, everyone had a laugh thinking Sadiq Utd would lose but realising it was always going to be this result.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,860

    HYUFD said:

    Sky news projection based on locals Labour 294 seats and Conservatives 242, LDs 38

    I don't believe this. I think there are too many factors at present that are warping the local results that will fade into the background at the GE. I don't necessarily think Starmer will get the landslide people are expecting but I think he will get a comfortable working majority.

    I don't believe it either. The key takeaway from the local election results so far are that Labour are winning in the places where they need to win. They are flipping places like Basildon, Cannock Chase, Redditch.

    Labour have an extremely efficient vote operation.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    Andy_JS said:

    Hall now 4.5/5 on Betfair...

    Wish I'd taken fuller advantage of the 35 figure yesterday. (Think I reported it on here, not sure).
    You did.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    Leon said:

    Sky News projection from Prof Michael Thrasher: Labour on course to be largest party at general election - short of overall majority

    Now, that is interesting, although I don't believe it.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,431

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    You can still get £109 at 6.2 on Hall from Betfair Exchange. Just sayin... :)

    I may be coming over all Rogerdamus here but come Sunday when Khan has won, relatively well but with a reduced majority, I’ll be enjoying the threads here.

    This may be a hostage to fortune. I don’t think it is.
    Khan was only 4.7pp ahead in the first-round in 2021. There's not much scope for him to win with a reduced majority.
    Interesting, thanks for that perspective.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,878

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    "Kahn"? Is he secretly Jewish? :lol:
    Sikh, Shirley?


    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
    From Hell's heart I stab at thee.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,878
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
    Yes that's solid for Labour - esp with them doing well in the right places. London Mayor matters (a lot) but a shock there wouldn't change the underlying message - which is Labour heading for a very comfortable GE win.
    Ooh you’re nervous, how delightful

    I’m not sure why tho, in the end I reckon khan will have a reasonably easy win. Postal votes
    Higher turnout in Deplorable than Progressive areas is a definite worry.

    But yes I think he should still win. 🤞
    I voted early and in the Northern Oirish tradition.

    So if Count Binface wins by 12 million votes, blame me.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,819
    Guy on Radio 4 a bit ago said that while they think the London result will be closer than the polls suggest, nobody in Labour or the Tories thinks Khan won't win. Make of that what you will.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,244
    I never thought I would see the day when Labour gained Adur
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    Doogle1941Doogle1941 Posts: 14
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
    Yes that's solid for Labour - esp with them doing well in the right places. London Mayor matters (a lot) but a shock there wouldn't change the underlying message - which is Labour heading for a very comfortable GE win.
    Ooh you’re nervous, how delightful

    I’m not sure why tho, in the end I reckon khan will have a reasonably easy win. Postal votes

    The postal votes will favour the Tories as they will mostly come from older voters. I've been saying for months that Khan could lose and I strongly suspect that he will. If he holds on it will only be because the Tories chose such a poor candidate. Anyone half decent and it would not even have been in doubt.

    YouGov's latest poll had Sadiq Khan 22% ahead.
    Would they have adjusted for only those that voted ?
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