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Is a trifecta of Tory mayoral victories on the cards? – politicalbetting.com

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,629
    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,182
    "Adam Bienkov
    @AdamBienkov

    Source close to Sadiq Khan says they're "really worried" about the result in London which they still expect to be "really close".

    Worth saying the final YouGov poll gave him a 22 point lead over Susan Hall. Would be the worst polling fail in history if she manages to somehow win"

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1786381804024336835
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,987
    edited May 3
    Looking at the turnout numbers in London, Khan looks to be in very serious trouble. I think he may well lose. Not remotely surprising.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,018

    If the tories hold on to some mayor's, it is only because the candidate have cut almost wholly with the party in terms of policies, style, branding etc and run in practice as independents. There are no good lessons for the tories to draw on from that. It means the candidates were able to pull through because they didn't have even the slightest whiff of right wing populism. Natcon, popcon, brexiteerism, war on woke, all that stuff is finished. Right wing populism only does emotion and division and outrage. It doesn't do governance. Tory mayoral winners are old style tories hated by the reform erg crowd. This is the end of the line for that style of politics.

    https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1785696540444479601

    A win for Susan Hall and the Conservatives is a win for racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes the world over.

    Susan Hall’s campaign has been fought from the gutter with dangerous and divisive politics.
    Interesting he's putting that out already..
    He posted it Wednesday.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,182
    edited May 3
    algarkirk said:

    I am no psephologist, but here is a question. When looking at the PCC results 2024 (last held 2021) the swing from Con to Lab, except notably in Cumbria, where it is enormous seems so far to be less massive than I would expect if Labour are to have a landslide. Am I right? And are they a decent proxy for a GE?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_England_and_Wales_police_and_crime_commissioner_elections

    I was thinking the same thing, especially in Cornwall&Devon where the Tories won easily in a county where all the projections say they would lose most of their seats.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,448

    Quite excited about my Khan sub 40% bet now, I must say.

    If the Tories win it will be very very funny!
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    sarissasarissa Posts: 1,806

    DavidL said:

    Broxborne is a Tory hold. Alas poor @NickPalmer

    Getting your Brox's mixed up, Bro.
    Funnily enough I don't think Nick is too far from Broxborne these days. From one Brox to another.
    To be really confusing, try having Broxburn, West Lothian and Broxburn, East Lothian.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,699

    If the tories hold on to some mayor's, it is only because the candidate have cut almost wholly with the party in terms of policies, style, branding etc and run in practice as independents. There are no good lessons for the tories to draw on from that. It means the candidates were able to pull through because they didn't have even the slightest whiff of right wing populism. Natcon, popcon, brexiteerism, war on woke, all that stuff is finished. Right wing populism only does emotion and division and outrage. It doesn't do governance. Tory mayoral winners are old style tories hated by the reform erg crowd. This is the end of the line for that style of politics.

    https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1785696540444479601

    A win for Susan Hall and the Conservatives is a win for racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes the world over.

    Susan Hall’s campaign has been fought from the gutter with dangerous and divisive politics.
    Interesting he's putting that out already..
    From eve of poll.

    OK then, what does a Hall Mayorality look like?
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,714

    Is Liz Truss secretly working for Labour?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h068QkWYHs

    Times Radio How to Win an Election podcast recorded this morning.

    An interesting point (code for one that chimes with something I've said on pb) from Danny Finklestein is that it is hard for losing parties to get MPs and ministers to stick to the agreed media line because they think they can think of better ones themselves.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,316
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    On the other hand it puts a lot of pressure on Labour to remain Tory-voter friendly which will put pressure on their coalition in other places.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,530

    If the tories hold on to some mayor's, it is only because the candidate have cut almost wholly with the party in terms of policies, style, branding etc and run in practice as independents. There are no good lessons for the tories to draw on from that. It means the candidates were able to pull through because they didn't have even the slightest whiff of right wing populism. Natcon, popcon, brexiteerism, war on woke, all that stuff is finished. Right wing populism only does emotion and division and outrage. It doesn't do governance. Tory mayoral winners are old style tories hated by the reform erg crowd. This is the end of the line for that style of politics.

    https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1785696540444479601

    A win for Susan Hall and the Conservatives is a win for racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes the world over.

    Susan Hall’s campaign has been fought from the gutter with dangerous and divisive politics.
    Interesting he's putting that out already..
    It was out last night
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    CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 255
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029
    If it's true, it's pretty scandalous that the London Mayoral count won't be finished until Saturday(!)
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,316

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    I just can't account for people's dislike of Sunak, unless it has something to do with race.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,629

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    "Kahn"? Is he secretly Jewish? :lol:
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    Jonathan said:

    The national equivalent vote share advantage is a little weaker for Starmer than it was for Cameron in 2009. It’s a long way away from Blair in 1996. Supports my hunch that the next election will be pretty close.

    On the flipside they're struggling in the cities (where they already have all the MPs), and doing well in more rural areas. Not all 9% leads are the same...
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,945

    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
    Refuk 13, Greens 4, Nats 3, Other 1, gets close. LDs wont get 17 either.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,629

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    I just can't account for people's dislike of Sunak, unless it has something to do with race.
    Well, I'm Asian and I dislike him intensely. Mum's even more scathing of him :lol:
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    Foxy said:

    If the tories hold on to some mayor's, it is only because the candidate have cut almost wholly with the party in terms of policies, style, branding etc and run in practice as independents. There are no good lessons for the tories to draw on from that. It means the candidates were able to pull through because they didn't have even the slightest whiff of right wing populism. Natcon, popcon, brexiteerism, war on woke, all that stuff is finished. Right wing populism only does emotion and division and outrage. It doesn't do governance. Tory mayoral winners are old style tories hated by the reform erg crowd. This is the end of the line for that style of politics.

    https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1785696540444479601

    A win for Susan Hall and the Conservatives is a win for racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes the world over.

    Susan Hall’s campaign has been fought from the gutter with dangerous and divisive politics.
    Interesting he's putting that out already..
    He posted it Wednesday.
    Ah ok, fair enough. Saw the timestamp and not the date.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    Doesn't vocally support building houses & Amy Lame were the two red lines I couldn't cross to vote for him.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,587

    Susan Hall, next Tory PM?

    Next Tory PM is either Penny M or maybe still at school?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,182
    edited May 3

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    They tend to like Rishi Sunak, Sajid Javid, Kemi Badenoch, James Cleverly, etc, so it can't be that.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,431
    edited May 3

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    Must be it. Nail hit on head. People either love him or they’re hideous racists. 👍

    I said he was obnoxious yesterday. I will reflect on that and try to be a better person and realise he’s truly ace.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,182

    To help with folowing the turnout figurs for London. I have mae up a table of the 2021 numbers and what we have so far for 2024.


    Thanks for this, useful.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,316

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    I just can't account for people's dislike of Sunak, unless it has something to do with race.
    Well, I'm Asian and I dislike him intensely. Mum's even more scathing of him :lol:
    Are you from the same ethnic group?
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 7,543
    As also mooted by yours truly Norfolk PCC goes to Labour in a tight finish with Con - 52k versus 50k, Labour assisted by the city having council elections but the county had none. Optimum conditions and a good scalp
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,785

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    He’s a pathetic dull joyless lying hypocrite who has achieved nothing but make London sadder. How about that, for starters?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,629

    Quite excited about my Khan sub 40% bet now, I must say.

    If the Tories win it will be very very funny!
    I voted for Count Binface :lol:
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,714

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    I just can't account for people's dislike of Sunak, unless it has something to do with race.
    Well, I'm Asian and I dislike him intensely. Mum's even more scathing of him :lol:
    Are you from the same ethnic group?
    No, Sadiq is from south of the Thames.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,018

    To help with folowing the turnout figures for London. I have made up a table of the 2021 numbers and what we have so far for 2024.


    Down across the board. Photo ID or Gaza, or just plain apathy?
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,945

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    Nor me, was a top quality goalkeeper for club and country. I was going to mention the Euro96 shootout as a possible reason, but turns out Kopke was their keeper then.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,651
    Andy_JS said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    They tend to like Rishi Sunak, Sajid Javid, Kemi Badenoch, James Cleverly, etc, so it can't be that.
    In Sadiq Khan's case, the dislike (from some) is not about race.
    It's about his religion.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,530

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    I just can't account for people's dislike of Sunak, unless it has something to do with race.
    He's also very, very rich, which for some people mean's he cannot understand the how most people live their lives.* He has had a few mess-ups where he has looked completely out of touch with normal life (paying for petrol etc).

    No doubt some dislike him because he is of Indian heritage, but I think the vast majority in the country are better than that.

    *See Common People from Pulp for a brilliantly evocative example.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,431

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    "Kahn"? Is he secretly Jewish? :lol:
    Married to the actress Madeleine.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,519
    Oh god were London's Deplorables more focused and energetic than its Progressives yesterday?

    I'm in the clear if the worst happens. I went and voted Sadiq despite a light drizzle.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821

    Quite excited about my Khan sub 40% bet now, I must say.

    If the Tories win it will be very very funny!
    I promise I will be magnanimous and not look for whole and fulsome apologies on here from those who accused me of ramping, myopia, desperately grasping at straws, and failing to read the mood this morning.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,714

    If the tories hold on to some mayor's, it is only because the candidate have cut almost wholly with the party in terms of policies, style, branding etc and run in practice as independents. There are no good lessons for the tories to draw on from that. It means the candidates were able to pull through because they didn't have even the slightest whiff of right wing populism. Natcon, popcon, brexiteerism, war on woke, all that stuff is finished. Right wing populism only does emotion and division and outrage. It doesn't do governance. Tory mayoral winners are old style tories hated by the reform erg crowd. This is the end of the line for that style of politics.

    https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1785696540444479601

    A win for Susan Hall and the Conservatives is a win for racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes the world over.

    Susan Hall’s campaign has been fought from the gutter with dangerous and divisive politics.
    Interesting he's putting that out already..
    From eve of poll.

    OK then, what does a Hall Mayorality look like?
    If she has any sense, like a Boris one in that she delegates everything and gets on with the serious business of chatting to internet security entrepreneurs. But we are getting ahead of ourselves. Even if turnout is down, it might be her lot who stayed at home.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,048
    Foxy said:

    To help with folowing the turnout figures for London. I have made up a table of the 2021 numbers and what we have so far for 2024.


    Down across the board. Photo ID or Gaza, or just plain apathy?
    Sadly I don't know enough about London and the political makeup to do any useful interpretation. Others know the boroughs much better than I do. Some of the boroughs are only down very slightly so not sure if anyone can analyse that and say what the likely cause would be based on demographics.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,431

    Quite excited about my Khan sub 40% bet now, I must say.

    If the Tories win it will be very very funny!
    I voted for Count Binface :lol:
    Love the avatar 👍
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,686
    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/MarwanData/status/1786411934977245408
    https://twitter.com/MarwanData/status/1786399001614360752

    5.5% and 2% swings in by-elections Lab to Con in London. 2.4% swing needed... Fingers crossed Hall gets 2.3% so the Tories realise that with a normal candidate they'd have won.

    This doesn't follow at all. A "decent" candidate in the CCHQ Lib Dem mould would not have run a near the knuckle guerilla campaign on ULEZ, they would have been far too polite, if not openly in favour. The voters of London don't "like the Tories" - Susan Hall polls way better than the Tories national share. To suggest that a "non wingnut" candidate would have done better is a cretinous misreading of what's actually happened.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,785

    Andy_JS said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    They tend to like Rishi Sunak, Sajid Javid, Kemi Badenoch, James Cleverly, etc, so it can't be that.
    In Sadiq Khan's case, the dislike (from some) is not about race.
    It's about his religion.
    I’ve got left wing friends who cordially despise him, and it’s quite visceral. They think he’s depressing and mendacious and not good for London. Even if he wins it’s not gonna be some triumph. He really should have stepped aside for a better Labour candidate with new ideas
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821

    To help with folowing the turnout figures for London. I have made up a table of the 2021 numbers and what we have so far for 2024.


    Thanks Richard.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,730

    As also mooted by yours truly Norfolk PCC goes to Labour in a tight finish with Con - 52k versus 50k, Labour assisted by the city having council elections but the county had none. Optimum conditions and a good scalp

    But the Norfolk swing is 12 points. That's what Labour need on UNS to get a majority of 1. I think some of these PCC figures are interesting. Could this be a worry for Labour? (Betting post: NOM and Tories to lose 0-50,50-100 seats etc could be value.)
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,873

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    That just shows a lack of imagination

    There's lefties who seem him as a bland Barite hogging a seat that would be perfect for the Jessiah.
    ULEZ has touched on something - people see the future as being pushed out of cars or being pushed to buy more expensive EVs. In many parts of London, you need a car as part of daily life. In many ways, going car free is both what the very poorest and the richest do.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 470
    Ben Bradley must have been expecting more than 28.8% for the East Midlands* mayoral elections. He can't even use Reform UK's 10.9% as an excuse for losing.

    * rename if you wish.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,873

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    "Kahn"? Is he secretly Jewish? :lol:
    Sikh, Shirley?


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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,199

    There is a Karl Lagerfeld quote by which I live my life: “Sweatpants are a sign of defeat.”...

    Well I go by “To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield” by Tennyson[1], but different strokes for different folks methinks... :)

    [1] and I had it before Bond nicked it, so there.

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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,048
    DM_Andy said:

    Ben Bradley must have been expecting more than 28.8% for the East Midlands* mayoral elections. He can't even use Reform UK's 10.9% as an excuse for losing.

    * rename if you wish.

    I called this one yesterday. I met very few people who had any time for him and plenty who were planning on campaigning for Clair Ward.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,636
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    They tend to like Rishi Sunak, Sajid Javid, Kemi Badenoch, James Cleverly, etc, so it can't be that.
    In Sadiq Khan's case, the dislike (from some) is not about race.
    It's about his religion.
    I’ve got left wing friends who cordially despise him, and it’s quite visceral. They think he’s depressing and mendacious and not good for London. Even if he wins it’s not gonna be some triumph. He really should have stepped aside for a better Labour candidate with new ideas
    He's a Labour version of Nicola Sturgeon without the political nous.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,629

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    That just shows a lack of imagination

    There's lefties who seem him as a bland Barite hogging a seat that would be perfect for the Jessiah.
    ULEZ has touched on something - people see the future as being pushed out of cars or being pushed to buy more expensive EVs. In many parts of London, you need a car as part of daily life. In many ways, going car free is both what the very poorest and the richest do.
    Yeah, ULEZ was one reason why I didn't vote Labour yesterday.

    However, once we go to a full General Election footing, that will change!
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,750

    DavidL said:

    Broxborne is a Tory hold. Alas poor @NickPalmer

    Getting your Brox's mixed up, Bro.
    Funnily enough I don't think Nick is too far from Broxborne these days. From one Brox to another.
    Just waiting for NPxMP to pop up as a candidate, for something or the other in . . . wait for it . . . the Bronx!
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,651
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    They tend to like Rishi Sunak, Sajid Javid, Kemi Badenoch, James Cleverly, etc, so it can't be that.
    In Sadiq Khan's case, the dislike (from some) is not about race.
    It's about his religion.
    I’ve got left wing friends who cordially despise him, and it’s quite visceral. They think he’s depressing and mendacious and not good for London. Even if he wins it’s not gonna be some triumph. He really should have stepped aside for a better Labour candidate with new ideas
    Good to hear that my fellow lefties are cordial in their visceral hatred.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 470

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    "Kahn"? Is he secretly Jewish? :lol:
    I thought it was a reference to the “M. Kahn is Bent” graffiti

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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 7,543
    algarkirk said:

    As also mooted by yours truly Norfolk PCC goes to Labour in a tight finish with Con - 52k versus 50k, Labour assisted by the city having council elections but the county had none. Optimum conditions and a good scalp

    But the Norfolk swing is 12 points. That's what Labour need on UNS to get a majority of 1. I think some of these PCC figures are interesting. Could this be a worry for Labour? (Betting post: NOM and Tories to lose 0-50,50-100 seats etc could be value.)
    In a GE, 12% Norfolk swing and Labour will win Norwich North and Norwich South but the rest of the county stays blue
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,199

    If the tories hold on to some mayor's, it is only because the candidate have cut almost wholly with the party in terms of policies, style, branding etc and run in practice as independents. There are no good lessons for the tories to draw on from that. It means the candidates were able to pull through because they didn't have even the slightest whiff of right wing populism. Natcon, popcon, brexiteerism, war on woke, all that stuff is finished. Right wing populism only does emotion and division and outrage. It doesn't do governance. Tory mayoral winners are old style tories hated by the reform erg crowd. This is the end of the line for that style of politics.

    https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1785696540444479601

    A win for Susan Hall and the Conservatives is a win for racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes the world over.

    Susan Hall’s campaign has been fought from the gutter with dangerous and divisive politics.
    Interesting he's putting that out already..
    All the good news is for Hall
    All the bad news is for Khan
    All the good news is for Hall
    All the bad news is for Khan

    It's beginning to feel like Potus2020 when I was still stuck in the toilets and PM'ing phrases like "where are his legions?" . Where are Khan's legions? Where is he winning?
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,493

    To help with folowing the turnout figures for London. I have made up a table of the 2021 numbers and what we have so far for 2024.


    Cursory glance suggests turnout holding up better in areas that ought to lean Tory and falling off more in solidly Labour parts. That can’t be comforting viewing for the incumbent.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,182
    Enfield & Haringey turnout = 41.38%. Not much change from 2021.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,629

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    "Kahn"? Is he secretly Jewish? :lol:
    Sikh, Shirley?


    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,342
    Would the Tories actually want Ms Hall to win? There's surely every chance she'd be a mayoral Liz Truss, which could finish off the brand entirely.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 470

    DM_Andy said:

    Ben Bradley must have been expecting more than 28.8% for the East Midlands* mayoral elections. He can't even use Reform UK's 10.9% as an excuse for losing.

    * rename if you wish.

    I called this one yesterday. I met very few people who had any time for him and plenty who were planning on campaigning for Clair Ward.
    Good shout, it just seemed from outside that he was being smart in going for one of the metro mayor posts that you can combine with being an MP.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    Taz said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    Must be it. Nail hit on head. People either love him or they’re hideous racists. 👍

    I said he was obnoxious yesterday. I will reflect on that and try to be a better person and realise he’s truly ace.
    Labour aren't going to last as long in office as perhaps they'd like if their reaction every time they lose an election is to imagine the loss must be down to prejudice.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,785

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    They tend to like Rishi Sunak, Sajid Javid, Kemi Badenoch, James Cleverly, etc, so it can't be that.
    In Sadiq Khan's case, the dislike (from some) is not about race.
    It's about his religion.
    I’ve got left wing friends who cordially despise him, and it’s quite visceral. They think he’s depressing and mendacious and not good for London. Even if he wins it’s not gonna be some triumph. He really should have stepped aside for a better Labour candidate with new ideas
    Good to hear that my fellow lefties are cordial in their visceral hatred.
    What I mean is they are fairly polite about him (I’m not) because he’s one of theirs. But then they say “he really shouldn’t be standing again”, they grimace and sigh at the idea of him, they say “oh
    god, not kahn again, what’s he ever done” - it is emotional/visceral


    I’m a lot blunter
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,873
    viewcode said:

    There is a Karl Lagerfeld quote by which I live my life: “Sweatpants are a sign of defeat.”...

    Well I go by “To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield” by Tennyson[1], but different strokes for different folks methinks... :)

    [1] and I had it before Bond nicked it, so there.

    Best usage of the Tennyson poem was HMS Ulysses (1955)
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,199

    If the tories hold on to some mayor's, it is only because the candidate have cut almost wholly with the party in terms of policies, style, branding etc and run in practice as independents. There are no good lessons for the tories to draw on from that. It means the candidates were able to pull through because they didn't have even the slightest whiff of right wing populism. Natcon, popcon, brexiteerism, war on woke, all that stuff is finished. Right wing populism only does emotion and division and outrage. It doesn't do governance. Tory mayoral winners are old style tories hated by the reform erg crowd. This is the end of the line for that style of politics.

    https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1785696540444479601

    A win for Susan Hall and the Conservatives is a win for racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes the world over.

    Susan Hall’s campaign has been fought from the gutter with dangerous and divisive politics.
    Note the response by Keir Starmer

    You know, I've always had a sneaking respect for racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes the world over.

    https://twitter.com/ImMakingItUpPBComeOnSeriously/status/07700900461

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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    viewcode said:

    If the tories hold on to some mayor's, it is only because the candidate have cut almost wholly with the party in terms of policies, style, branding etc and run in practice as independents. There are no good lessons for the tories to draw on from that. It means the candidates were able to pull through because they didn't have even the slightest whiff of right wing populism. Natcon, popcon, brexiteerism, war on woke, all that stuff is finished. Right wing populism only does emotion and division and outrage. It doesn't do governance. Tory mayoral winners are old style tories hated by the reform erg crowd. This is the end of the line for that style of politics.

    https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1785696540444479601

    A win for Susan Hall and the Conservatives is a win for racists, white supremacists and Islamophobes the world over.

    Susan Hall’s campaign has been fought from the gutter with dangerous and divisive politics.
    Interesting he's putting that out already..
    All the good news is for Hall
    All the bad news is for Khan
    All the good news is for Hall
    All the bad news is for Khan

    It's beginning to feel like Potus2020 when I was still stuck in the toilets and PM'ing phrases like "where are his legions?" . Where are Khan's legions? Where is he winning?
    More 2016 for me - strong turnout in areas that are good for Hall/Leave, indicators from early results that Hall/Leave are significantly overperforming... Wonder how long it'll take the media to come round to reality if it happens.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,182
    edited May 3
    If turnout goes up in Havering & Redbridge, South West, West Central, Croydon & Sutton, Bexley & Bromley one would be tempted to call it for Susan Hall.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    In elections at the moment, the thing you really do not want to be is the incumbent.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,199

    viewcode said:

    There is a Karl Lagerfeld quote by which I live my life: “Sweatpants are a sign of defeat.”...

    Well I go by “To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield” by Tennyson[1], but different strokes for different folks methinks... :)

    [1] and I had it before Bond nicked it, so there.

    Best usage of the Tennyson poem was HMS Ulysses (1955)
    I often regret that I have a really banal background, but I got it from Babylon 5... :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWUfiqXCkgM
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 470
    Bristol's counting slow:

    Labour HOLD Southmead x2

    Labour 3 (+0)
    Conservative 2 (+0)
    Green 1 (+1)
    Lib Dems 0 (-1)


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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,587
    Tories now on exactly 50% held and lost, but the LibDem gains sadly haven’t kept pace
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 792
    ToryJim said:

    To help with folowing the turnout figures for London. I have made up a table of the 2021 numbers and what we have so far for 2024.


    Cursory glance suggests turnout holding up better in areas that ought to lean Tory and falling off more in solidly Labour parts. That can’t be comforting viewing for the incumbent.
    Not sure there's such a clear pattern - hardly any drop in Greenwich & Lewisham (and just announced Enfield & Haringey), which are pretty strongly Labour.

    Really, the constituencies are too big and too diverse for this type of analysis - for instance, many of them pair an outer and an inner borough, which are likely to show very different patterns.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,048
    edited May 3
    IanB2 said:

    Tories now on exactly 50% held and lost, but the LibDem gains sadly haven’t kept pace

    Interesting to know if this might be indicative of the LDs being squeezed in the forthcoming GE.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,182
    Bexley & Bromley turnout = 48.38% compared to 44% last time.

    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data
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    ClippPClippP Posts: 1,717
    Andy_JS said:

    algarkirk said:

    I am no psephologist, but here is a question. When looking at the PCC results 2024 (last held 2021) the swing from Con to Lab, except notably in Cumbria, where it is enormous seems so far to be less massive than I would expect if Labour are to have a landslide. Am I right? And are they a decent proxy for a GE?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_England_and_Wales_police_and_crime_commissioner_elections

    I was thinking the same thing, especially in Cornwall&Devon where the Tories won easily in a county where all the projections say they would lose most of their seats.
    What was the turnout? Somewhere around 20%?

    That means that the parties were not fighting the PCC election seriously. After all, it is a an unnecessary position.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,519

    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
    Yes that's solid for Labour - esp with them doing well in the right places. London Mayor matters (a lot) but a shock there wouldn't change the underlying message - which is Labour heading for a very comfortable GE win.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,431

    Taz said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    I will be so annoyed if the loathsome Khan just scrapes home

    “Tory and Labour officials both now saying the London mayoralty could be closer than polls suggested... jitters/excitable chat... tho would still be a huge shock if it was anything other than a Sadiq Khan win”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1786404901611884714?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If he does it by one (mine) I will be annoyed at MYSELF

    However I think he’ll still win with a decent lead. My god how stupid are the Tories not putting up a decent candidate!!!

    If Khan loses, it will be a sharp kick up the bum for a lot of left leaning voters just in time for the GE.

    "If you sit it out, vote Green/Workers Party/Count Binface instead of Labour, you risk letting the Tories back in."

    I can think of several right-on, leftie friends who have gone green or abstained in recent years who would be shocked back into the Labour fold by a Susan Hall victory.
    I just don't can't account for people's dislike of Kahn, unless it has something to do with race.
    Must be it. Nail hit on head. People either love him or they’re hideous racists. 👍

    I said he was obnoxious yesterday. I will reflect on that and try to be a better person and realise he’s truly ace.
    Labour aren't going to last as long in office as perhaps they'd like if their reaction every time they lose an election is to imagine the loss must be down to prejudice.
    ‘If you don’t vote for me you’re a bigot’ isn’t the most persuasive argument to support any party.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,636

    Would the Tories actually want Ms Hall to win? There's surely every chance she'd be a mayoral Liz Truss, which could finish off the brand entirely.

    London Mayor doesn't quite have enough power to fuck things up that quickly.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,714
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,785
    kinabalu said:

    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
    Yes that's solid for Labour - esp with them doing well in the right places. London Mayor matters (a lot) but a shock there wouldn't change the underlying message - which is Labour heading for a very comfortable GE win.
    Ooh you’re nervous, how delightful

    I’m not sure why tho, in the end I reckon khan will have a reasonably easy win. Postal votes
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,587
    edited May 3
    The shocking thing is that we’re now nearing the end of the afternoon after polling day, and a batch of councils plus most of the PCC elections have yet to declare.

    Nothing in Tory Britain works like it used to.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,048
    Andy_JS said:

    Bexley & Bromley turnout = 48.38% compared to 44% last time.

    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data

    First one to go up. Would I be right in assuming B&B is usually a Tory leaning area?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,873
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    There is a Karl Lagerfeld quote by which I live my life: “Sweatpants are a sign of defeat.”...

    Well I go by “To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield” by Tennyson[1], but different strokes for different folks methinks... :)

    [1] and I had it before Bond nicked it, so there.

    Best usage of the Tennyson poem was HMS Ulysses (1955)
    I often regret that I have a really banal background, but I got it from Babylon 5... :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWUfiqXCkgM
    Straczynski is unusual in Hollyweird, that he freely acknowledges where he got stuff from.

    In the case of the Tennyson quote, it was via a script for HMS Ulysses, which has been kicking around Hollywood since the 1960s…
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,945
    Andy_JS said:

    Bexley & Bromley turnout = 48.38% compared to 44% last time.

    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data

    Its on!
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 792
    Andy_JS said:

    Bexley & Bromley turnout = 48.38% compared to 44% last time.

    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data

    An increase? That does suggest good news for Hall...
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,182
    edited May 3

    Andy_JS said:

    Bexley & Bromley turnout = 48.38% compared to 44% last time.

    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data

    First one to go up. Would I be right in assuming B&B is usually a Tory leaning area?
    Yes. The most Tory of the 14 assembly seats.
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    NickyBreakspearNickyBreakspear Posts: 698
    edited May 3
    Labour have gained a couple of seats in London Colney ward, St Albans district council. Otherwise it is a clean sweep for the LibDems, other than one Green in St Peters and one Conservative in Harpenden South.

    https://www.stalbans.gov.uk/news/results-thursday-2-may-elections-st-albans-city-and-district-council
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,493
    AlsoLei said:

    ToryJim said:

    To help with folowing the turnout figures for London. I have made up a table of the 2021 numbers and what we have so far for 2024.


    Cursory glance suggests turnout holding up better in areas that ought to lean Tory and falling off more in solidly Labour parts. That can’t be comforting viewing for the incumbent.
    Not sure there's such a clear pattern - hardly any drop in Greenwich & Lewisham (and just announced Enfield & Haringey), which are pretty strongly Labour.

    Really, the constituencies are too big and too diverse for this type of analysis - for instance, many of them pair an outer and an inner borough, which are likely to show very different patterns.
    I did say cursory ;)
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,945

    Andy_JS said:

    Bexley & Bromley turnout = 48.38% compared to 44% last time.

    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data

    First one to go up. Would I be right in assuming B&B is usually a Tory leaning area?
    Would be amongst the most Brexity and anti-ULEZy.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,987
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
    Yes that's solid for Labour - esp with them doing well in the right places. London Mayor matters (a lot) but a shock there wouldn't change the underlying message - which is Labour heading for a very comfortable GE win.
    Ooh you’re nervous, how delightful

    I’m not sure why tho, in the end I reckon khan will have a reasonably easy win. Postal votes

    The postal votes will favour the Tories as they will mostly come from older voters. I've been saying for months that Khan could lose and I strongly suspect that he will. If he holds on it will only be because the Tories chose such a poor candidate. Anyone half decent and it would not even have been in doubt.

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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,587
    edited May 3

    IanB2 said:

    Tories now on exactly 50% held and lost, but the LibDem gains sadly haven’t kept pace

    Interesting to know if this might be indicative of the LDs being squeezed in the forthcoming GE.
    There was no particular reason why the number of LD and Tory councillors elected today - in a somewhat random distribution of seats - should have any equivalence, and the latest NEV puts the Tories clearly in second place. It was just the early declarations that suggested they might end up close.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,987
    Andy_JS said:

    Bexley & Bromley turnout = 48.38% compared to 44% last time.

    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data

    Very good for Hall.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,290
    Sky news projection based on locals Labour 294 seats and Conservatives 242, LDs 38
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,636
    edited May 3
    Andy_JS said:

    Bexley & Bromley turnout = 48.38% compared to 44% last time.

    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data

    That's awful for Khan.

    Edit: Is so bad it might not even be close.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    AlsoLei said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Bexley & Bromley turnout = 48.38% compared to 44% last time.

    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data

    An increase? That does suggest good news for Hall...
    Just popped more money on Hall. At the very least her odds will shorten dramatically.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 7,543

    Andy_JS said:

    Bexley & Bromley turnout = 48.38% compared to 44% last time.

    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data

    First one to go up. Would I be right in assuming B&B is usually a Tory leaning area?
    Bexleyheath, Bromley and Biggin Hill are very safe Tory seats
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,587

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    MikeL said:

    BBC PROJECTED NATIONAL VOTE SHARE

    Lab 34
    Con 25
    LD 17
    Oth 24

    "Others" would NEVER be 24% at the GE!
    Yes that's solid for Labour - esp with them doing well in the right places. London Mayor matters (a lot) but a shock there wouldn't change the underlying message - which is Labour heading for a very comfortable GE win.
    Ooh you’re nervous, how delightful

    I’m not sure why tho, in the end I reckon khan will have a reasonably easy win. Postal votes

    The postal votes will favour the Tories as they will mostly come from older voters. I've been saying for months that Khan could lose and I strongly suspect that he will. If he holds on it will only be because the Tories chose such a poor candidate. Anyone half decent and it would not even have been in doubt.

    Older voters, Asian voters, and students.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,199
    You can still get £109 at 6.2 on Hall from Betfair Exchange. Just sayin... :)
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,551
    I was preparing for egg on my face when I said Susan Hall would get within 5%.

    I’m now starting to think the unthinkable and that she might win.
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