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Danny565 said:

Emily Thornberry now the top story on BBC News, where before she was just mentioned in passing in the main story about the Tories' imminent byelection loss.

The complete lack of PR nous at the top of the Labour party...

How many people are watching BBC news at this time of night? It'll all be forgotten in the morning when Reckless gets his Warholian moment. I know she's a favourite on PB but how many voters would know who the shadow attorney general is?

bigjohnowls said:

Drop Myleene Petition passes 6000

Would have thought most red blooded males might like that

Terrible week for Ed.

Have you noticed the consistent* Tory lead with YouGov since was pwned by Myleene. Just imagine the monstering Ed's going to get from the Tories during the next election.

He's going to be as rubbish as a Hannibal at Zama.

*My use of consistent may cause epistemological problems, of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.

Splitting infinitives is fine anyway. Often it is the best word order. Complaining about split infinitives is false pedantry.

NB I never use them in client letters, because too many people mistakenly think that they're bad English.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Grandiose said:

Floater said:

bigjohnowls said:

Floater said:

bigjohnowls said:

Floater said:

bigjohnowls said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Floater said:

Everybody put up their St George flags yet?

ET sums up metropolitan Labour oh so very well.

I thought about hanging out my flag, but didn't want to attract too many Labour canvassers!

Never had you down as a Chav!!

Are you at DD tomorrow? Will you be wearing your Burberry Baseball cap?

I will have my I love the NHS badge on!!

Should I pop round and tell my Asian neighbours that you think they are chavs?

Seems Emily is not alone in her views

If you want I am pleased you are on good terms with them.

I used to have a big Union Jack flag with Dronfield Owls written on it

Flags are rubbish these days especially on cars.

Cuts down your MPG too.

I also used to go to away matches with scarfs out of both back windows.

Was getting through about 10 scarves a season.

Unlike you and Emily I generally don't judge people by what flags they hang out of their windows.

Bet you don't have car flags though do you?

Or a white van.

Perhaps you can introduce me to your Asian neighbours they sound a wonderful example of the great Multicultural Society we have become to me.

I am in Colchester, do come up if you can bear to mix with the working class.

We have people from everywhere around here.

I was pleased they hung out England flags you and your party think of them as chavs though - mores the pity.

We can talk about the problems of getting a child into an overcrowded primary school whilst you are here,

I didn't know you were in Colchester, floater!

I grew up in one of the villages outside (which I shan't name, for privacy reasons) and went to school there.

I am quite astounded that anyone could live anywhere that wasn't in any way socially mixed at any point in their lives.

Although I was born in India, I spent part of my childhood in Colchester, from when I was about 6 months old till I was about 3.

So you're the second greatest person ever to have lived in Colchester.

Why thank you! But - Who's the greatest?

The emperor Claudius of course!

She resigned?? lol

Kle4 Tonight Ken has been pro EU, pro immigration and anti Mansion tax, well I suppose the LDs might hold their deposit in Kensington and Richmond!

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Grandiose said:

Floater said:

bigjohnowls said:

Floater said:

bigjohnowls said:

Floater said:

bigjohnowls said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Floater said:

Everybody put up their St George flags yet?

ET sums up metropolitan Labour oh so very well.

I thought about hanging out my flag, but didn't want to attract too many Labour canvassers!

Never had you down as a Chav!!

Are you at DD tomorrow? Will you be wearing your Burberry Baseball cap?

I will have my I love the NHS badge on!!

Should I pop round and tell my Asian neighbours that you think they are chavs?

Seems Emily is not alone in her views

If you want I am pleased you are on good terms with them.

I used to have a big Union Jack flag with Dronfield Owls written on it

Flags are rubbish these days especially on cars.

Cuts down your MPG too.

I also used to go to away matches with scarfs out of both back windows.

Was getting through about 10 scarves a season.

Unlike you and Emily I generally don't judge people by what flags they hang out of their windows.

Bet you don't have car flags though do you?

Or a white van.

Perhaps you can introduce me to your Asian neighbours they sound a wonderful example of the great Multicultural Society we have become to me.

I am in Colchester, do come up if you can bear to mix with the working class.

We have people from everywhere around here.

I was pleased they hung out England flags you and your party think of them as chavs though - mores the pity.

We can talk about the problems of getting a child into an overcrowded primary school whilst you are here,

I didn't know you were in Colchester, floater!

I grew up in one of the villages outside (which I shan't name, for privacy reasons) and went to school there.

I am quite astounded that anyone could live anywhere that wasn't in any way socially mixed at any point in their lives.

Although I was born in India, I spent part of my childhood in Colchester, from when I was about 6 months old till I was about 3.

So you're the second greatest person ever to have lived in Colchester.

Why thank you! But - Who's the greatest?

I'm thinking Graham Gooch, but it might be Caesar.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Grandiose said:

Floater said:

bigjohnowls said:

Floater said:

bigjohnowls said:

Floater said:

bigjohnowls said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Floater said:

Everybody put up their St George flags yet?

ET sums up metropolitan Labour oh so very well.

I thought about hanging out my flag, but didn't want to attract too many Labour canvassers!

Never had you down as a Chav!!

Are you at DD tomorrow? Will you be wearing your Burberry Baseball cap?

I will have my I love the NHS badge on!!

Should I pop round and tell my Asian neighbours that you think they are chavs?

Seems Emily is not alone in her views

If you want I am pleased you are on good terms with them.

I used to have a big Union Jack flag with Dronfield Owls written on it

Flags are rubbish these days especially on cars.

Cuts down your MPG too.

I also used to go to away matches with scarfs out of both back windows.

Was getting through about 10 scarves a season.

Unlike you and Emily I generally don't judge people by what flags they hang out of their windows.

Bet you don't have car flags though do you?

Or a white van.

Perhaps you can introduce me to your Asian neighbours they sound a wonderful example of the great Multicultural Society we have become to me.

I am in Colchester, do come up if you can bear to mix with the working class.

We have people from everywhere around here.

I was pleased they hung out England flags you and your party think of them as chavs though - mores the pity.

We can talk about the problems of getting a child into an overcrowded primary school whilst you are here,

I didn't know you were in Colchester, floater!

I grew up in one of the villages outside (which I shan't name, for privacy reasons) and went to school there.

I am quite astounded that anyone could live anywhere that wasn't in any way socially mixed at any point in their lives.

Although I was born in India, I spent part of my childhood in Colchester, from when I was about 6 months old till I was about 3.

So you're the second greatest person ever to have lived in Colchester.

Why thank you! But - Who's the greatest?

Me. I lived in Goojerat barracks for nearly three years.

SouthamObserver said:

Jesus Christ. Just when you think Ed can't get any more ridiculous this happens. The cluelessness is breathtaking. Tough on tweets. It really is The Thick of It.

Wait a minute. Give Ed a break. We don't even know if it was his decision. Maybe she really did resign. Or perhaps Ed was facing a potential mutiny from others within the party.

I think I win!

Today has been like an episode of The Thick of It, but with far less swearing.

Except by Ed, I suspect.

TheScreamingEagles said:

The former Prime Minister was no stranger to Essex.

After graduating from Oxford University in 1947, Baroness Thatcher, then known as Miss Margaret Roberts, lived in Colchester.

She lived in lodgings in the town for two years from 1948 until 1950 while working as a research chemist at the BX Plastics Company in Brantham near Manningtree. The future Prime Minister would catch the bus from Colchester to Brantham every morning.

http://www.heart.co.uk/essex/news/local/essex-thatchers-county-connection/

Brantham is in Suffolk.

nigel4england said:

audreyanne said:

Okay, step back time. Let's be clear for a sec, using detective skills.

Reckless last night inadvertently declared his hand i.e. it's not the thumping victory he'd originally expected.
Farage tonight says it's no massive win
Tories say there's absolutely no chance whatever they will win.

Ergo, it's probably a UKIP win by 5-10%, possibly a little higher but not a thumping 20% lead.

Tyndall, the reason UKIP are no different from the rest are that they're playing the same stupid tired old mind games as the others. It's as pathetic from Farage as it is from Cameron, Clegg and Miliband. Sorry to you-kippers on here but you're a far cry from a new political force.

Why not take my under five seats bet then if you are that confident

10% is the benchmark.

For every percentage point above that, Farage's smile grows wider.

If it's 20% or more, his face is likely to split in half.

Out of interest, at what point can information from the opening of postal votes legally be disclosed? Does it have to be authorised by the Returning Officer?

UKIP did better than expected in both Heywood and Clacton. I think it's more likely than not the same thing will happen in Rochester.

RobD said:

Speedy said:

Kent online have done a straw poll of Rochester:
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/exit-polls-suggest-landslide-win-27328/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

UKIP 49%
CON 29%
LAB 16%
GRN 6%
LD 0% (yes ZERO)

I wrote here weeks ago that the LD might be beaten by the Loonies.

Voodoo poll.

Close to the actual opinion polls though.

@hopisen: Updated social media guide: things not to take pics of, put on internet: 1. Your bits. 2. You drinking champagne 3. You in pants 4. A house

@mrianleslie: Thornberry stuff makes me nostalgic for less politically correct times. Churchill used to tweet whatever he bloody well felt like tweeting.

"Dan Ware, the man who’s England flags and white van were photographed by Emily Thornberry, to her cost, has been speaking to the Telegraph. He said that he voted Conservative in 2010, that he did not know there was a byelection on and that he thought Thornberry was a snob."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2014/nov/20/rochester-and-strood-byelection-results-live-coverage

chestnut said:

Speedy said:

Kent online have done a straw poll of Rochester:
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/exit-polls-suggest-landslide-win-27328/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

UKIP 49%
CON 29%
LAB 16%
GRN 6%
LD 0% (yes ZERO)

I wrote here weeks ago that the LD might be beaten by the Loonies.

Is it "scientific" enough?

They call it an exit poll and a straw poll, my guess is that they asked a number of voters as they left the polling stations.
You can ask them yourself: medwaymessenger@thekmgroup.co.uk

Ken Clarke - Nobody understands the Lansley reforms

Bloody shouty on QT today.

Rees-Mogg has done a Matthew Parris, insulting Rochester voters already:

Rees-Mogg ‏@JakeReesMogg 2m2 minutes ago
Might I be the first to welcome Rochester back to the Middle Ages?

I can't believe they made her resign over that!! Not a hugely likeable tweet, but really??

AndyJS said:

"Dan Ware, the man who’s England flags and white van were photographed by Emily Thornberry, to her cost, has been speaking to the Telegraph. He said that he voted Conservative in 2010, that he did not know there was a byelection on and that he thought Thornberry was a snob."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2014/nov/20/rochester-and-strood-byelection-results-live-coverage

How the heck can you have been living in R&S over the last 5 weeks and not know there was a byelection on?

The Buffalo Bills NY Jets game will not take place in Buffalo on Sunday. It will be rescheduled and relocated.

There are doubts that the game a week on Sunday will be played in Buffalo.

There is a driving ban and apparently 220,000 tons of snow at the stadium.

2 feet more of snow is expected.

chestnut said:

Ms Chakravarty is pretty .

I definitely agree with that!

isam said:

Speedy said:

Rees-Mogg has done a Matthew Parris, insulting Rochester voters already:

Rees-Mogg ‏@JakeReesMogg 2m2 minutes ago
Might I be the first to welcome Rochester back to the Middle Ages?

That's not the real Rees-Mogg

Will the real Rees-Mogg please stand up?

Blue_rog said:

chestnut said:

Ms Chakravarty is pretty .

I definitely agree with that!

Yes

kle4 said:

FrankBooth said:

Danny565 said:

Emily Thornberry now the top story on BBC News, where before she was just mentioned in passing in the main story about the Tories' imminent byelection loss.

The complete lack of PR nous at the top of the Labour party...

How many people are watching BBC news at this time of night? It'll all be forgotten in the morning when Reckless gets his Warholian moment.

Probably. Still an overreaction to sack her over this, but it was almost literally done too quickly for outrage to properly build up - the paper headlines to whip people up haven't been seen my most yet - and it's now older news than the Reckless win, even though him winning was expected.

RobD said:

She resigned?? lol

The word resigned has no fixed meaning in politics of course, like football management.

Labour have got themselves into a mess and its all because of the way Cameron treated the result of the IndeRef. I doubt the kippers will give him much credit.
A No vote followed by more devolution for Scotland but with EVEL as suggested by Cameron has spooked Labour.
They protested about Cameron's proposal and EVEL and have thus managed to persuade Scots that they are trying to slow down more devolution, despite what Brown promised and of course by complaining about EVEL they risk annoying English voters.
So when a shadow minister exploits an English flag they run scared.
Its bad news for Labour not for the event but for the inability to deal with it. Its doubly stupid when you consider Labour were really quite happy for labour voters to 'protest' at the government as a way of embarrassing the tories. Now its them that look stupid.

timmo said:

AndyJS said:

"Dan Ware, the man who’s England flags and white van were photographed by Emily Thornberry, to her cost, has been speaking to the Telegraph. He said that he voted Conservative in 2010, that he did not know there was a byelection on and that he thought Thornberry was a snob."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2014/nov/20/rochester-and-strood-byelection-results-live-coverage

How the heck can you have been living in R&S over the last 5 weeks and not know there was a byelection on?

Works for a living?

And reads the Sun!

nigel4england said:

bigjohnowls said:

Ken was one of the best SOS for Health in my 32 years

Lansley was the worst IMO closely followed by Milburn and Hunt

Burnham was worst for the patients, and they are more important than you

Not true he was pretty good overall

Hundreds of new modern hospitals lowest ever waiting lists all good for patients

Resulting in the Highest ever patient satisfaction levels.

Lansley reforms are a conflict of interest for GPs with commissioning and provider roles and costing a fortune with all organisations in the NHS employing marketing departments and tendering teams to win business off each other rather than treating patients.

Still you know best.

Tim_B said:

The Buffalo Bills NY Jets game will not take place in Buffalo on Sunday. It will be rescheduled and relocated.

There are doubts that the game a week on Sunday will be played in Buffalo.

There is a driving ban and apparently 220,000 tons of snow at the stadium.

2 feet more of snow is expected.

The other day I read that Buffalo had 5 feet of snow over night! - the pix were amazing but pretty ghastly for the inhabitants I'd imagine.

peter_from_putney said:

antifrank said:

Splitting infinitives is fine anyway. Often it is the best word order. Complaining about split infinitives is false pedantry.

NB I never use them in client letters, because too many people mistakenly think that they're bad English.

antifrank, you evidently have highly educated clients - my guess would be that the overwhelming majority wouldn't recognise a split infinitive was were one to painfully hit them between the eyes.

True, and all the better for it, much as I would normally sing the praises of as much education as possible.

Sean_F said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

Ken Clarke more leftwing than Burnham on QT

New entertaining Clarke scenario - he defects to the ravaged LDs after 2015 and is elected Leader, now they are free of their RedLiberal section (and most of their votes)

That's a good idea. He's obviously not a Conservative, Labour, or UKIP.

It is incredible how accepted it is that he is not really a Conservative despite going on 45 years as an MP, shows just how far someone can get from the current direction of travel in a party. If he doesn't defect then he should stand for as many years as it takes for the Tories to swing back around to be more like him again, even if it means 70 years+ in parliament. Could be a while, the newer batches are pretty far away at the moment.

bigjohnowls said:

Ken Clarke really is excellent isn't he.

How did he lose the leadership contest.

He thought that joining The Euro was a great idea.

In the same way that Abraham Lincoln thought "I'm tired of kicking round the house, let's take in a show" was a great idea, according to Captain Blackadder.

Tim_B said:

The Buffalo Bills NY Jets game will not take place in Buffalo on Sunday. It will be rescheduled and relocated.

There are doubts that the game a week on Sunday will be played in Buffalo.

There is a driving ban and apparently 220,000 tons of snow at the stadium.

2 feet more of snow is expected.

I watched the Redskins last week, Tim.

Is there any hope that the snow will last long enough for them to improve?

Speedy said:

isam said:

Speedy said:

Rees-Mogg has done a Matthew Parris, insulting Rochester voters already:

Rees-Mogg ‏@JakeReesMogg 2m2 minutes ago
Might I be the first to welcome Rochester back to the Middle Ages?

That's not the real Rees-Mogg

Correction, are you sure it's not him, there's only one twitter account with his name and it's this one:
https://twitter.com/JakeReesMogg

Yeah pretty sure, read the blog it's a spoof

nigel4england said:

bigjohnowls said:

nigel4england said:

bigjohnowls said:

Ken was one of the best SOS for Health in my 32 years

Lansley was the worst IMO closely followed by Milburn and Hunt

Burnham was worst for the patients, and they are more important than you

Not true he was pretty good overall

Hundreds of new modern hospitals lowest ever waiting lists all good for patients

Resulting in the Highest ever patient satisfaction levels.

Lansley reforms are a conflict of interest for GPs with commissioning and provider roles and costing a fortune with all organisations in the NHS employing marketing departments and tendering teams to win business off each other rather than treating patients.

Still you know best.

I'm not blinded by being able to retire at 54 with a big pension.

Perhaps you could name the HUNDREDS of new modern hospitals, and while you are at it please detail the cost of any hospitals that were built under the PFI he signed up to.

I could but cant be arsed.

You cant get over this early retirement thing can you.

EDITED

I'm surprised we haven't had an official turnout figure yet.

SimonStClare said:

Tim_B said:

The Buffalo Bills NY Jets game will not take place in Buffalo on Sunday. It will be rescheduled and relocated.

There are doubts that the game a week on Sunday will be played in Buffalo.

There is a driving ban and apparently 220,000 tons of snow at the stadium.

2 feet more of snow is expected.

The other day I read that Buffalo had 5 feet of snow over night! - the pix were amazing but pretty ghastly for the inhabitants I'd imagine.

Some parts of the city had 6 feet in 24 hours. Oddly the airport got only 4 inches.

I lived in Toronto many years ago and we were in awe of how much snow Buffalo got. My US immigration attorney was in Buffalo and inevitably it would have lake effect snow before my visits.

But snow on this scale - and with an estimated 2-3 feet more coming - is unprecedented.

Scott_P said:

@adamboultonSKY: #RochesterandStrood count. Rumours @LibDems tanking in early tallies. Behind @UKIP Con Lab Green Monster Raving Loonies maybe Charlotte Rose

No excuse for such pathetic results, even with all their troubles. Pitiful.

Will no-one but UKIP have reason to smile tomorrow? Even a half smile?

Nick Robinson: Lib Dems could well finish behind dominatrix-independent.

Immigrants voting UKIP, he says.

I claim the crown for tipster of the week:

Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago
Early count tallies indicate the Liberal Democrats might be in seventh place behind the Monster Raving Loony Party.

NHS Plan 1997

4000 more doctors, nurses and medical students by 2004

Consultants to commit their first seven years to the NHS

7000 more beds and 100 new hospital building schemes by 2010

All patients to see a GP within 48 hours by 2004

All were exceeded by 2010

But N4E knows best

In 1990 the SDP closed shop after they were beaten by the Monster Raving Loonies in a westminster by-election, will the LD's have the decency to do the same tonight?