Lib Dems doing appallingly and Ukip not winning by as big a margin as hoped? All just rumours but it suggests Lib Dems voting tactically for the Tories.
Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago Early count tallies indicate the Liberal Democrats might be in seventh place behind the Monster Raving Loony Party.
Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago Early count tallies indicate the Liberal Democrats might be in seventh place behind the Monster Raving Loony Party.
How has Clegg survived this long?
I've been told I'm responsible for keeping Ed as leader.
Wonder, was it the tweet or her comment about the tweet that did for Thornberry?
"Image of Rochester", if Bad Al was still about would have been spun no problem as something positive or at least not particularly negative. Of course he would be lying / covering up and he never did any of that.
However, tweeting that image and then telling the Daily Mail
'It was a house covered in British flags. I've never seen anything like it before.
'It had three huge flags covering the whole house. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen a house completely covered in flags.'
When pressed that flying flags was common, she said: 'I was brought up in a council house and I've never seen anything like it.'
'I thought it was absolutely amazing,' she added.
Her spin was worse than the tweet...
What do Baldwin and the bloke from the Mirror that Ed has as his spin doctors do all day? See who can get him to look like more of a tit?
Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago Early count tallies indicate the Liberal Democrats might be in seventh place behind the Monster Raving Loony Party.
How has Clegg survived this long?
They assumed there had to be some kind of recovery for them as the GE approached and no-one wanted to be tainted with the brush of also having led the LDs in the coalition, and now it's too late to do anything about it. Now it's just time to see if it is a disaster or a mega-disaster, and build a new party out of the ashes.
Ken was one of the best SOS for Health in my 32 years
Lansley was the worst IMO closely followed by Milburn and Hunt
Burnham was worst for the patients, and they are more important than you
Not true he was pretty good overall
Hundreds of new modern hospitals lowest ever waiting lists all good for patients
Resulting in the Highest ever patient satisfaction levels.
Lansley reforms are a conflict of interest for GPs with commissioning and provider roles and costing a fortune with all organisations in the NHS employing marketing departments and tendering teams to win business off each other rather than treating patients.
Still you know best.
Hundreds of new modern hospitals? Where are they hidden?
No wonder the NHS has such problems when the administrators can't count. Good job you left really, after bottling it at the sight of Lansley.
Wonder, was it the tweet or her comment about the tweet that did for Thornberry?
"Image of Rochester", if Bad Al was still about would have been spun no problem as something positive or at least not particularly negative. Of course he would be lying / covering up and he never did any of that.
However, tweeting that image and then telling the Daily Mail
'It was a house covered in British flags. I've never seen anything like it before.
'It had three huge flags covering the whole house. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen a house completely covered in flags.'
When pressed that flying flags was common, she said: 'I was brought up in a council house and I've never seen anything like it.'
'I thought it was absolutely amazing,' she added.
Her spin was worse than the tweet...
What do Baldwin and the bloke from the Mirror that Ed has as his spin doctors do all day? See who can get him to look like more of a tit?
Plus she had previously tweeted a picture of a house with three St George Flags on it in 2012
4000 more doctors, nurses and medical students by 2004
Consultants to commit their first seven years to the NHS
7000 more beds and 100 new hospital building schemes by 2010
All patients to see a GP within 48 hours by 2004
All were exceeded by 2010
But N4E knows best
Apart from the fact that your post does not make a lot of sense, do you think 4,000 more doctors and nurses was enough to cover the huge rise in population?
Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago Early count tallies indicate the Liberal Democrats might be in seventh place behind the Monster Raving Loony Party.
How has Clegg survived this long?
I've been told I'm responsible for keeping Ed as leader.
How can the LDs have a better 'disliked' rating than UKIP or the Tories? If that were the case surely they'd not lose all these deposits in humiliating fashion? Or is that because they've stopped being reviled by many, but only because now they are not even considered at all, which is even worse.
Ken was one of the best SOS for Health in my 32 years
Lansley was the worst IMO closely followed by Milburn and Hunt
Burnham was worst for the patients, and they are more important than you
Not true he was pretty good overall
Hundreds of new modern hospitals lowest ever waiting lists all good for patients
Resulting in the Highest ever patient satisfaction levels.
Lansley reforms are a conflict of interest for GPs with commissioning and provider roles and costing a fortune with all organisations in the NHS employing marketing departments and tendering teams to win business off each other rather than treating patients.
Still you know best.
I'm not blinded by being able to retire at 54 with a big pension.
Perhaps you could name the HUNDREDS of new modern hospitals, and while you are at it please detail the cost of any hospitals that were built under the PFI he signed up to.
I could but cant be arsed.
You cant get over this early retirement thing can you.
EDITED
That is completely out of order.
Please find one single post I have ever made abusing Asians, that is a disgusting slur and you should be banned for making it.
And you cannot name hundreds of hospitals because it isn't true and you know it.
I thought you were the TSE abuser asking him to decide which side he was on
If it was not you I apologise
You do know fook all about the NHS though. The 100 new hospital build target thing was exceeded but i am not spending time looking for it as you will not believe it anyway.
Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago Early count tallies indicate the Liberal Democrats might be in seventh place behind the Monster Raving Loony Party.
How has Clegg survived this long?
I've been told I'm responsible for keeping Ed as leader.
How can the LDs have a better 'disliked' rating than UKIP or the Tories? If that were the case surely they'd not lose all these deposits in humiliating fashion? Or is that because they've stopped being reviled by many, but only because now they are not even considered at all, which is even worse.
I have pondered this, I think it might be partly that, that people dislike Clegg a lot but not the Lib Dems
Lake Effect snow is amazing - the storm passes over (in this case) Lake Ontario, the warm water increases the moisture content and then the snow falls with huge, wet, and heavy flakes. I once went to Buffalo after they'd had 3 feet of snow. It was amazing.
One of the most noticeable things is the silence. Snow absorbs noise like nothing else.
Ken was one of the best SOS for Health in my 32 years
Lansley was the worst IMO closely followed by Milburn and Hunt
Burnham was worst for the patients, and they are more important than you
Not true he was pretty good overall
Hundreds of new modern hospitals lowest ever waiting lists all good for patients
Resulting in the Highest ever patient satisfaction levels.
Lansley reforms are a conflict of interest for GPs with commissioning and provider roles and costing a fortune with all organisations in the NHS employing marketing departments and tendering teams to win business off each other rather than treating patients.
Still you know best.
Hundreds of new modern hospitals? Where are they hidden?
No wonder the NHS has such problems when the administrators can't count. Good job you left really, after bottling it at the sight of Lansley.
When you find out tell N4E he wants to know as well.
Alternatively
I presume you will admit you were wrong if I get round to listing the 100+ new builds at some point when i can be arsed?
Lib Dems doing appallingly and Ukip not winning by as big a margin as hoped? All just rumours but it suggests Lib Dems voting tactically for the Tories.
Don't for God's sake let Mike Smithson see this - it would be enough to make him choke on his breakfast cornflakes.
Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago Early count tallies indicate the Liberal Democrats might be in seventh place behind the Monster Raving Loony Party.
How has Clegg survived this long?
I've been told I'm responsible for keeping Ed as leader.
How can the LDs have a better 'disliked' rating than UKIP or the Tories? If that were the case surely they'd not lose all these deposits in humiliating fashion? Or is that because they've stopped being reviled by many, but only because now they are not even considered at all, which is even worse.
I have pondered this, I think it might be partly that, that people dislike Clegg a lot but not the Lib Dems
Maybe. I cannot say I know many LDs round my way who have anything good to say about Clegg, so for those outside the party it should be even fewer; I'm much more likely to consider that for all his faults he's been hard done by than they would be to say such a thing.
In 1990 the SDP closed shop after they were beaten by the Monster Raving Loonies in a westminster by-election, will the LD's have the decency to do the same tonight?
Ken was one of the best SOS for Health in my 32 years
Lansley was the worst IMO closely followed by Milburn and Hunt
Burnham was worst for the patients, and they are more important than you
Not true he was pretty good overall
Hundreds of new modern hospitals lowest ever waiting lists all good for patients
Resulting in the Highest ever patient satisfaction levels.
Lansley reforms are a conflict of interest for GPs with commissioning and provider roles and costing a fortune with all organisations in the NHS employing marketing departments and tendering teams to win business off each other rather than treating patients.
Still you know best.
Hundreds of new modern hospitals? Where are they hidden?
No wonder the NHS has such problems when the administrators can't count. Good job you left really, after bottling it at the sight of Lansley.
When you find out tell N4E he wants to know as well.
Alternatively
I presume you will admit you were wrong if I get round to listing the 100+ new builds at some point when i can be arsed?
If you post them I will apologise, but make sure you also post how much the total cost is under P FI
Thornberry going seems something of an overreaction, but either good to bury the chaos on a terrible night for the Tories, or else nice of them to distract from the terrible night for the Tories.
They have distracted from Tories. No wonder Ed was reported to be angriest ever. It is incompetence beyond words.
I would flipping love to see Ed getting angry, I imagine it is like a hungry puppy yapping at its owner. Utterly terrifying!
Total bloody over reaction about the flags though, they must be getting in a tizz at Labour HQ.
I think Ed getting angry would be like Moss from IT Crowd trying to get angry....
Lab beaten into fourth by the greens in Bramhall South and Woodford. Not territory which traditionally favours Labour, to be fair. Probably quite good news for the Lib Dems in Cheadle that the mass-abandonment of their voters to Labour doesn't appear to be happening in this neck of the woods at least. Tories will obviously be pleased to hold the ward.
"Emily Thornberry came from a very poor council House Background"
"In fact, Emily Thornberry’s personal story is a good deal more interesting than her outburst would suggest. She did indeed grow up in a council house, in the absence of her father. But if anyone thought she was just an ordinary working-class girl made good, they were mistaken. Her mother Sallie, alas no longer with us, was a most courageous and distinguished person, and also much-loved by political allies and opponents alike. She was a teacher by profession, and an active and popular Labour councillor who became, despite the privations and difficulties of her life, Mayor of Guildford in Surrey, by no means a Labour town. But the family was not fatherless in the sense that it had never had a father. Nor was Sallie Thornberry unmarried. On the contrary, she was married to a distinguished and talented academic lawyer, Cedric Thornberry, who lectured at the London School of Economics, and rose to become Assistant General Secretary of the United Nations. He is still active in the international human rights industry"
Lake Effect snow is amazing - the storm passes over (in this case) Lake Ontario, the warm water increases the moisture content and then the snow falls with huge, wet, and heavy flakes. I once went to Buffalo after they'd had 3 feet of snow. It was amazing.
One of the most noticeable things is the silence. Snow absorbs noise like nothing else.
I phoned my sister who lives in NYC last week to check how things were, I think they had less than a foot of snow. To say she was not impressed was to put it mildly, 5 ft of snow and I think she'd have hibernated till next spring.
Lake Effect snow is amazing - the storm passes over (in this case) Lake Ontario, the warm water increases the moisture content and then the snow falls with huge, wet, and heavy flakes. I once went to Buffalo after they'd had 3 feet of snow. It was amazing.
One of the most noticeable things is the silence. Snow absorbs noise like nothing else.
I phoned my sister who lives in NYC last week to check how things were, I think they had less than a foot of snow. To say she was not impressed was to put it mildly, 5 ft of snow and I think she'd have hibernated till next spring.
Here in Atlanta a few years back we had 4 inches of snow. The place shut down for a week. I was trapped in my home for 4 days. The snow removal plan here is the sun. There was no sun for 4 days.
If the LibDems score < 1% of the vote, would Clegg resign? Should he resign? It will be interesting to hear what OGH has to say on the subject.
Lib Dems voted tactically to stop Repatriation Reckless
- "I can see you, TSE"
- "Reckless!"
- "Can you see me? Oh, now be honest, TSE, warrior to warrior. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. Once more unto the breach, dear friends."
Rod Indeed, best leave it there I think, looks like a long night but a UKIP victory if perhaps slightly closer than some polls, doubt will stay up but looks the likely result
If the LibDems score < 1% of the vote, would Clegg resign? Should he resign? It will be interesting to hear what OGH has to say on the subject.
Lib Dems voted tactically to stop Repatriation Reckless
I wonder if it might actually be simpler than that? I think there are significant numbers going straight from LD to UKIP. This may seem daft when you look at the parts of the political spectrum that the respective parties occupy, but many voters don't really do that. The LDs used to get a lot of 'plague on all your houses' votes, often from people whose political views, if examined, probably didn't actually tally that well with those of the LDs. I remember around 20 years or so ago a vox pop on the radio with a woman who said she'd voted LD because they were the only party who stood up to Europe. In this context, to see voters moving from LD to UKIP shouldn't be surprising.
Ken was one of the best SOS for Health in my 32 years
Lansley was the worst IMO closely followed by Milburn and Hunt
Burnham was worst for the patients, and they are more important than you
Not true he was pretty good overall
Hundreds of new modern hospitals lowest ever waiting lists all good for patients
Resulting in the Highest ever patient satisfaction levels.
Lansley reforms are a conflict of interest for GPs with commissioning and provider roles and costing a fortune with all organisations in the NHS employing marketing departments and tendering teams to win business off each other rather than treating patients.
Still you know best.
Hundreds of new modern hospitals? Where are they hidden?
No wonder the NHS has such problems when the administrators can't count. Good job you left really, after bottling it at the sight of Lansley.
When you find out tell N4E he wants to know as well.
Alternatively
I presume you will admit you were wrong if I get round to listing the 100+ new builds at some point when i can be arsed?
If you post them I will apologise, but make sure you also post how much the total cost is under P FI
Massive cost £60bn total bill for £11bn capital cost of 103 new PFI hospitals 1997-2010
About 30 non PFI Hospitals in the same period by the look of it.
So 133 new hospitals (cant find a list yet)
If you are interested this gives an independent review of 1997-2010 in the NHS
If the LibDems score < 1% of the vote, would Clegg resign? Should he resign? It will be interesting to hear what OGH has to say on the subject.
Lib Dems voted tactically to stop Repatriation Reckless
I wonder if it might actually be simpler than that? I think there are significant numbers going straight from LD to UKIP. This may seem daft when you look at the parts of the political spectrum that the respective parties occupy, but many voters don't really do that. The LDs used to get a lot of 'plague on all your houses' votes, often from people whose political views, if examined, probably didn't actually tally that well with those of the LDs. I remember around 20 years or so ago a vox pop on the radio with a woman who said she'd voted LD because they were the only party who stood up to Europe. In this context, to see voters moving from LD to UKIP shouldn't be surprising.
I'm hoping Lord Ashcroft does a poll on why people voted the way they did in Rochester
I'm sticking to my prediction of UKIP winning by more than 5,000 votes.
Do you think that Rochester will be in form and declare around lunchtime? I'm watching Sky News live from Rochester and the council workers are not counting any votes for at least the half an hour that i'm watching.
If the LibDems score < 1% of the vote, would Clegg resign? Should he resign? It will be interesting to hear what OGH has to say on the subject.
Lib Dems voted tactically to stop Repatriation Reckless
I wonder if it might actually be simpler than that? I think there are significant numbers going straight from LD to UKIP. This may seem daft when you look at the parts of the political spectrum that the respective parties occupy, but many voters don't really do that. The LDs used to get a lot of 'plague on all your houses' votes, often from people whose political views, if examined, probably didn't actually tally that well with those of the LDs. I remember around 20 years or so ago a vox pop on the radio with a woman who said she'd voted LD because they were the only party who stood up to Europe. In this context, to see voters moving from LD to UKIP shouldn't be surprising.
It's even more simple than that - there are a very large number of voters who don't want to risk taking the responsibility of voting for the government.
Medway Council have decked the hall in Gillingham with a million banners that advertise themselves, Gillingham and their part of Kent, but they look like idiots if they're going to take half a day to count one by-election which had a 50% turnout.
I'm sticking to my prediction of UKIP winning by more than 5,000 votes.
Do you think that Rochester will be in form and declare around lunchtime? I'm watching Sky News live from Rochester and the council workers are not counting any votes for at least the half an hour that i'm watching.
My guess is 3:45am, just based on previous similar by-elections.
Comments
Because of this thread I wrote
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/09/22/explaining-the-ed-miliband-polling-paradox/
"Image of Rochester", if Bad Al was still about would have been spun no problem as something positive or at least not particularly negative. Of course he would be lying / covering up and he never did any of that.
However, tweeting that image and then telling the Daily Mail
'It was a house covered in British flags. I've never seen anything like it before.
'It had three huge flags covering the whole house. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen a house completely covered in flags.'
When pressed that flying flags was common, she said: 'I was brought up in a council house and I've never seen anything like it.'
'I thought it was absolutely amazing,' she added.
Her spin was worse than the tweet...
What do Baldwin and the bloke from the Mirror that Ed has as his spin doctors do all day? See who can get him to look like more of a tit?
Night all.
No wonder the NHS has such problems when the administrators can't count. Good job you left really, after bottling it at the sight of Lansley.
If it was not you I apologise
You do know fook all about the NHS though. The 100 new hospital build target thing was exceeded but i am not spending time looking for it as you will not believe it anyway.
https://twitter.com/stockport_info/status/535583001363492865
Early tallies also indicate the Greens could come fourth tonight, saving their deposit too.
Relative good night for them if true.
Early count tallies indicate the Liberal Democrats might be in seventh place behind the Monster Raving Loony Party.
One of the most noticeable things is the silence. Snow absorbs noise like nothing else.
Alternatively
I presume you will admit you were wrong if I get round to listing the 100+ new builds at some point when i can be arsed?
Lucy Aitkens @LuckyAitkens 8m8 minutes ago
Ok peeps / what time is this result coming out? #RochesterStrood #skynews
Sebastian Payne
@SebastianEPayne
@LuckyAitkens 3-4am
FI
BF saying Con 4.8, or is that a bug?
@Claire_Phipps: #emilythornberry day 2: newsdesks send photographers to find Islington homes with 3+ England flags their MP has "never seen"
2010: 497
2005: 555
2001: 192
1997: 506
1992: 309
1987: 245
1983: 564
1979: 246
1974 (O): 94
"Emily Thornberry came from a very poor council House Background"
"In fact, Emily Thornberry’s personal story is a good deal more interesting than her outburst would suggest. She did indeed grow up in a council house, in the absence of her father. But if anyone thought she was just an ordinary working-class girl made good, they were mistaken. Her mother Sallie, alas no longer with us, was a most courageous and distinguished person, and also much-loved by political allies and opponents alike. She was a teacher by profession, and an active and popular Labour councillor who became, despite the privations and difficulties of her life, Mayor of Guildford in Surrey, by no means a Labour town.
But the family was not fatherless in the sense that it had never had a father. Nor was Sallie Thornberry unmarried. On the contrary, she was married to a distinguished and talented academic lawyer, Cedric Thornberry, who lectured at the London School of Economics, and rose to become Assistant General Secretary of the United Nations. He is still active in the international human rights industry"
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2012/06/the-phoney-outrage-of-emily-thornberry-slime-factories-on-overtime.html
http://message.snopes.com/photos/natural/graphics/buffalo3.jpg
CON - 2080
LDEM - 1502
GRN - 197
LAB - 132
Con 2080 LD 1502 Green 197 Lab 132
Small swing from LD to Con since May ( UKIP took 538 votes in May )
Swing from Con to LD compared to 2011 and 2012
This ward is in the Cheadle parliamentary constituency and the only Cheadle ward the Conservatives have never lost .
CON - 53.2% (+8.2)
LDEM - 38.4% (+5.3)
GRN - 5.0% (+5.0)
LAB - 3.4% (-5.5)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/byelection/11241798/Rochester-and-Strood-by-election-live.html
Con: Helen Grant
Lab: Allen Simpson
LD: Jasper Gerard
UKIP: Eddie Powell
Green: Hannah Patton
KentOnline @Kent_Online · 2h 2 hours ago
Indications are Mark Reckless will have a majority of between 3 and 4,000. http://bit.ly/1xHvgX9
So probably those early figures could be postal votes.
It will be interesting to hear what OGH has to say on the subject.
Which leads to a question, did the LD candidate vote for himself?
Not even postal votes counted.
What I just heard from Adam Boulton's mouth is unbelievable.
If I had campaigned earlier Reckless would have definitely lost.
Con: Paul Beresford
Lab: Len Amos
LD: Paul Kennedy
UKIP: Stephen Musgrove
Greens: Jacquetta Fewster
- "Reckless!"
- "Can you see me? Oh, now be honest, TSE, warrior to warrior. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. Once more unto the breach, dear friends."
Always been a fan of them, from Normandy, Bastogne and Little Rock
About 30 non PFI Hospitals in the same period by the look of it.
So 133 new hospitals (cant find a list yet)
If you are interested this gives an independent review of 1997-2010 in the NHS
http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/files/kf/High-Performing-NHS-progress-review-1997-2010-Ruth-Thorlby-Jo-Maybin-Kings-Fund-April-2010.pdf
Very positive IMO
In all seriousness, bet you're knackered after today!
Con: Nicola Blackwood
Lab: Sally Copley
LD: Layla Moran
UKIP: Alan Harris
Greens: Larry Sanders
Off to DD tomorrow to meet fellow PBers
UKIP ............. 18000 (45%)
Con .............. 14000 (35%)
Lab ................ 4000 (10%)
Greens ........... 2000 (5%)
Others ........... 2000 (5%)
Total .............40000 (100%)
There, you can all go off to bed now ....... Goodnight all!
I'm watching Sky News live from Rochester and the council workers are not counting any votes for at least the half an hour that i'm watching.
(Did you spot the subtle pop music reference?)
In 2010 Sky News called Edinburgh South for the LDs at this stage of the count, and Labour went on to hold the seat.
Anyone jumping out of a plane unless it's on fire needs their head examining :-)
Goodnite everybody.
http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.115707446#id=1.115925336
So no jumping out of planes.
Mostly rappelling or walking off helicopters if you're a Screaming Eagle. Or flying attack helicopters.