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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,993

    Interesting comment from David Icke.

    Mass migration has been a calculated Cult plan playing out across the world from Europe to the US southern border. It is about demographic and cultural change to unravel western society and to trigger conflict on the streets as we are seeing in Dublin tonight. The outrage at the children is understandable, but burning your own city will change nothing. Jailing the politicians and funders responsible for systematically opening the gates across Europe and the US and throwing away the key would be far more productive with those in Sweden at the front of the queue. Happy now, Mr Soros? Got want you wanted? Thought so.

    https://x.com/davidicke/status/1727798932208525680?s=20

    This would be the same David Icke who believes the Royal Family are shape shifting reptilian Aryans, right?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    We all want peace in the world. Ball is in Bidens court for that.
    Ball’s in Putin’s court for that.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155

    Appears our friends from GRU have found PB again. They do seem to really like it, I don't know why.

    Is it some initiation routine, get the newbie to try their BS on PB and they all laugh at them when they get their arse handed to them?

    Surely there'd be some kind of target to last a few days or more?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795

    We all want peace in the world. Ball is in Bidens court for that.
    I want peace. I can provide peace. Lots of… peace….
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,841
    Barnesian said:

    That's true. But she might be persuadable if she is the only person who can save the constitution and the country (and her husband) from Trump.
    Bookmark this. Currently 18 to be the Democrat nominee.
    Decent lay price, if you haven't already.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795

    Could last less than an hour this one.

    Pathetic attempt. Surely PB warrants better than that?
    We are obviously slipping, comrade.
  • rcs1000 said:

    This would be the same David Icke who believes the Royal Family are shape shifting reptilian Aryans, right?
    Ad hominem attack RCS. Address the argument my friend. And why was someone of your intelligence so wrong over the ukraine war.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795
    rcs1000 said:

    Ah yes, that beacon of truth that is Rudy Giuliani.
    Please sir, Mr @rcs1000 Sir, if we club together, can we buy a better Russian Troll for the class, sir?

    We could keep it in @JosiasJessop’s spare scientist cages and take it for walks every day.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,063
    Sandpit said:

    6 posts before mentioning Ukraine negatively.

    Is it though ?

    The source being Giuliano surely pushes it to the realms of comedy
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,905
    rcs1000 said:

    This would be the same David Icke who believes the Royal Family are shape shifting reptilian Aryans, right?
    What's your point Robert?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795
    Pulpstar said:

    Is it though ?

    The source being Giuliano surely pushes it to the realms of comedy
    Its


  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155

    We are obviously slipping, comrade.
    None of these trainees can get anywhere near Comrade Leon, who has managed to evade detection for nearly 3 years now (although he's nearly blown his cover once or twice).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795

    None of these trainees can get anywhere near Comrade Leon, who has managed to evade detection for nearly 3 years now (although he's nearly blown his cover once or twice).
    Da
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,905

    None of these trainees can get anywhere near Comrade Leon, who has managed to evade detection for nearly 3 years now (although he's nearly blown his cover once or twice).
    That writing style by Donald Trump seemed eerily familiar, didn't it?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,517
    Ex BBC sports pundit long gone batshit crazy:

    "Mass migration has been a calculated Cult plan playing out across the world from Europe to the US southern border. It is about demographic and cultural change to unravel western society and to trigger conflict on the streets as we are seeing in Dublin tonight. The outrage at the children is understandable, but burning your own city will change nothing. Jailing the politicians and funders responsible for systematically opening the gates across Europe and the US and throwing away the key would be far more productive with those in Sweden at the front of the queue. Happy now, Mr Soros? Got want you wanted? Thought so."

    The betting fav for next President of the United States:

    "Happy Thanksgiving to ALL, including the Racist & Incompetent Attorney General of New York State, Letitia 'Peekaboo' James, who has let Murder & Violent Crime FLOURISH, & Businesses FLEE; the Radical Left Trump Hating Judge, a 'Psycho,' Arthur Engoron, who Criminally Defrauded the State of New York, & ME, by purposely Valuing my Assets at a 'tiny' Fraction of what they are really worth in order to convict me of Fraud before even a Trial, or seeing any PROOF, & used his Politically Biased & Corrupt Campaign Finance Violator, Chief Clerk Alison Greenfield, to sit by his side on the 'Bench' & tell him what to do; & Crooked Joe Biden, who has WEAPONIZED his Department of Injustice against his Political Opponent, & allowed our Country to go to HELL; & all of the other Radical Left Lunatics, Communists, Fascists, Marxists, Democrats, & RINOS, who are seriously looking to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. Have no fear, however, we will WIN the Presidential Election of 2024, & MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"

    You decide.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,473
    edited November 2023

    Make America Great Again.
    When I first saw your username, I thought you were Douglas Ross. Now I realise you are someone even thicker. Welcome to PB Mr. Trump!

    Edit. Byeee!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,390
    DavidL said:

    That writing style by Donald Trump seemed eerily familiar, didn't it?
    It's the use of crayons that gives it away.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,905
    kinabalu said:

    Ex BBC sports pundit long gone batshit crazy:

    "Mass migration has been a calculated Cult plan playing out across the world from Europe to the US southern border. It is about demographic and cultural change to unravel western society and to trigger conflict on the streets as we are seeing in Dublin tonight. The outrage at the children is understandable, but burning your own city will change nothing. Jailing the politicians and funders responsible for systematically opening the gates across Europe and the US and throwing away the key would be far more productive with those in Sweden at the front of the queue. Happy now, Mr Soros? Got want you wanted? Thought so."

    The betting fav for next President of the United States:

    "Happy Thanksgiving to ALL, including the Racist & Incompetent Attorney General of New York State, Letitia 'Peekaboo' James, who has let Murder & Violent Crime FLOURISH, & Businesses FLEE; the Radical Left Trump Hating Judge, a 'Psycho,' Arthur Engoron, who Criminally Defrauded the State of New York, & ME, by purposely Valuing my Assets at a 'tiny' Fraction of what they are really worth in order to convict me of Fraud before even a Trial, or seeing any PROOF, & used his Politically Biased & Corrupt Campaign Finance Violator, Chief Clerk Alison Greenfield, to sit by his side on the 'Bench' & tell him what to do; & Crooked Joe Biden, who has WEAPONIZED his Department of Injustice against his Political Opponent, & allowed our Country to go to HELL; & all of the other Radical Left Lunatics, Communists, Fascists, Marxists, Democrats, & RINOS, who are seriously looking to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. Have no fear, however, we will WIN the Presidential Election of 2024, & MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"

    You decide.

    Trying to work out why we should be outraged at the children in Dublin. Really not sure it was their fault.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155

    Da
    33 minutes and 11 posts, that's some kind of a record, shirley?

    Modesty prevents me from pointing out that I spotted it on his 2nd post.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,748

    The police have said for some time that the government needs to strengthen the law. See also my other post about Hizb-Ut-Tahrir which both Labour and Conservative governments pledged to ban but never quite got round to it.
    I'd imagine the problem with banning everything is you're no longer sure what the members and potential members are up to. Best to keep a few lamps around for the moths.

    Admittedly most of the doers are said to be 'known to ___' anyway.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155
    DavidL said:

    That writing style by Donald Trump seemed eerily familiar, didn't it?
    Indeed. But enough about Leon.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,744

    Ad hominem attack RCS. Address the argument my friend. And why was someone of your intelligence so wrong over the ukraine war.
    British intelligence failures over Ukraine are nothing compared to Russian ones!

  • FPT
    Carnyx said:

    I think he means the Garden Bridge.
    East London River Crossing!
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,748
    Nigelb said:

    Decent lay price, if you haven't already.
    Simillar return to a savings account.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155
    DavidL said:

    A fabulous Thanksgiving day message from Trump:

    ""Happy Thanksgiving to ALL, including the Racist & Incompetent Attorney General of New York State, Letitia 'Peekaboo' James, who has let Murder & Violent Crime FLOURISH, & Businesses FLEE; the Radical Left Trump Hating Judge, a 'Psycho,' Arthur Engoron, who Criminally Defrauded the State of New York, & ME, by purposely Valuing my Assets at a 'tiny' Fraction of what they are really worth in order to convict me of Fraud before even a Trial, or seeing any PROOF, & used his Politically Biased & Corrupt Campaign Finance Violator, Chief Clerk Alison Greenfield, to sit by his side on the 'Bench' & tell him what to do; & Crooked Joe Biden, who has WEAPONIZED his Department of Injustice against his Political Opponent, & allowed our Country to go to HELL; & all of the other Radical Left Lunatics, Communists, Fascists, Marxists, Democrats, & RINOS, who are seriously looking to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. Have no fear, however, we will WIN the Presidential Election of 2024, & MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"

    The man is a caricature of himself.

    Some of Trump's comments are surely actionable. Are any of those named up for suing him for libel? Could be lucrative.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,993

    Ad hominem attack RCS. Address the argument my friend. And why was someone of your intelligence so wrong over the ukraine war.
    I realise I banned you, so you can't actually respond to this, but are you really saying that a person's previous pronouncements shouldn't be taken into account when judging what they say?

    For example, if someone said they believed the earth was flat, it would not be unreasonable for me to be sceptical when they came to me and asked for money for their (patented) perpetual motion machine.

    David Icke believes bat shit crazy things. It is perfectly reasonable to assess everything he says in light of those beliefs.
  • rcs1000 said:

    I realise I banned you, so you can't actually respond to this, but are you really saying that a person's previous pronouncements shouldn't be taken into account when judging what they say?

    For example, if someone said they believed the earth was flat, it would not be unreasonable for me to be sceptical when they came to me and asked for money for their (patented) perpetual motion machine.

    David Icke believes bat shit crazy things. It is perfectly reasonable to assess everything he says in light of those beliefs.
    Responding to a poster you've just banned might be considered the first sign of madness.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,905
    viewcode said:

    "British complacency over defence has to end: The army is remote to most of us and investing in security is deemed unethical — but we need to wise up to new threats", William Hague, 20Nov2023, The Times, see https://archive.is/fZiNV

    Hmm....British security needs to be thought about much more seriously. At the risk of triggering @Leon AI is an obvious risk, as are the proliferation of drones and cyber attacks both with state actors and criminals. I am really not sure that the army is going to be much help in relation to any of these threats.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155
    O/T British Library suffering from a cyber attack according to their website.

    https://www.bl.uk
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,110
    Is it that Russian troll time again? It's been a while.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,905

    Indeed. But enough about Leon.
    I do NOT know what you mean.

    But in relation to Mr Trump who could doubt that he is ready to take control of the big red button once again?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155

    Responding to a poster you've just banned might be considered the first sign of madness.
    True but it's always nice to get the last word in.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,841
    DavidL said:

    That was quite inspired until the last sentence. Giuliani is not a valid source for anything I'm afraid..
    Except for Russian propaganda.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/oleksandr-dubinsky-ukraine-treason-russia-rudy-giuliani-joe-hunter-biden/

  • I want peace. I can provide peace. Lots of… peace….
    Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy... and we shall have... peace.
  • Ukraine war latest: Kyiv 'intercepts transmissions' between Russia and China on 'secret project'
    The "fiercest fighting yet" has been recorded near the battered city of Avdiivka, according to Ukrainian officials. Meanwhile, the Russian air force has received the latest batch of the highly effective Su-35S jets from its manufacturer.

    https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-live-updates-blog-12541713

    I don't like quoting rolling news but can't find it anywhere else. Sky cites the Washington Post about China & Russia discussing a tunnel to Crimea because Ukraine keeps attacking the bridge.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,110
    I didn't know that Geert Wilders is mixed race. His mother was partly Indonesian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders#Early_life_and_career
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,744

    Some of Trump's comments are surely actionable. Are any of those named up for suing him for libel? Could be lucrative.
    The big achillies heel of Trump's campaign is his obsessions and vendetta. Sooner or later even MAGA Americans are going to know what he plans for another term apart from locking up everyone who has offended the man-baby.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,390

    True but it's always nice to get the last word in.
    Hence Smithson = Smite them when they're unconscious. Smite these down.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,905

    Some of Trump's comments are surely actionable. Are any of those named up for suing him for libel? Could be lucrative.
    IANAE but the free speech laws in the US are far more liberal than our laws of libel or defamation. He was, until recently, banned by a specific court order against making remarks against the clerk of the court but that is currently suspended by an appeal court pending a hearing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,517
    dixiedean said:

    That he's not President is as good a reason as any to give thanks.
    Yes. It's what I want for Christmas next year even more than Labour landslide.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795

    Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy... and we shall have... peace.
    Like that. But more peaceful….
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,841

    Simillar return to a savings account.
    In isolation, yes.
    But that's not how presidential markets work.
    There's been similar chances for Ramaswany, RFK Jnr, etc.as they've had their moments.

    You just need to decide who isn't going to get it even if both Biden and Trump fall under a bus.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,110
    The trolls are not very good at their job. Mentioning Powell, Icke and Zelenskyy within the first few posts kind of gives away who they are.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,734
    DavidL said:

    A fabulous Thanksgiving day message from Trump:

    ""Happy Thanksgiving to ALL, including the Racist & Incompetent Attorney General of New York State, Letitia 'Peekaboo' James, who has let Murder & Violent Crime FLOURISH, & Businesses FLEE; the Radical Left Trump Hating Judge, a 'Psycho,' Arthur Engoron, who Criminally Defrauded the State of New York, & ME, by purposely Valuing my Assets at a 'tiny' Fraction of what they are really worth in order to convict me of Fraud before even a Trial, or seeing any PROOF, & used his Politically Biased & Corrupt Campaign Finance Violator, Chief Clerk Alison Greenfield, to sit by his side on the 'Bench' & tell him what to do; & Crooked Joe Biden, who has WEAPONIZED his Department of Injustice against his Political Opponent, & allowed our Country to go to HELL; & all of the other Radical Left Lunatics, Communists, Fascists, Marxists, Democrats, & RINOS, who are seriously looking to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. Have no fear, however, we will WIN the Presidential Election of 2024, & MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"

    The man is a caricature of himself.

    Trump's stream of consciousness writing style increasingly suggests that he is heavily influenced by Marcel Proust - if he'd heard of him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795
    edited November 2023
    A
    rcs1000 said:

    Mentioning Icke as if he was a serious figure betrays a complete ignorance of... well... anything.
    In the context of modern Russian politics, Icke the sober, sensible one.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155

    Ukraine war latest: Kyiv 'intercepts transmissions' between Russia and China on 'secret project'
    The "fiercest fighting yet" has been recorded near the battered city of Avdiivka, according to Ukrainian officials. Meanwhile, the Russian air force has received the latest batch of the highly effective Su-35S jets from its manufacturer.

    https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-live-updates-blog-12541713

    I don't like quoting rolling news but can't find it anywhere else. Sky cites the Washington Post about China & Russia discussing a tunnel to Crimea because Ukraine keeps attacking the bridge.

    That's not going to be a quick solution is it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,841

    Trump's stream of consciousness writing style increasingly suggests that he is heavily influenced by Marcel Proust - if he'd heard of him.
    His masterwork à la recherche d'une présidence perdue ?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795

    Trump's stream of consciousness writing style increasingly suggests that he is heavily influenced by Marcel Proust - if he'd heard of him.
    Caught in the back blast from a test of the Lepage 344mm Crème Brûlée Gun?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155
    DavidL said:

    I do NOT know what you mean.

    But in relation to Mr Trump who could doubt that he is ready to take control of the big red button once again?
    I nearly FELL for that ONE.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,517
    rcs1000 said:

    Mentioning Icke as if he was a serious figure betrays a complete ignorance of... well... anything.
    He was almost like a 'wanting to be busted' troll. Perhaps on a fixed fee rather than per unit of output. In which case it makes perfect sense. Feet up now and playing minesweeper.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277
    The Americans and Germans are pressuring Zelensky to sue for peace

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1728031218896126215?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    It’s over. The war is done. Ukraine has run out of men and Russia has run out of mojo. A muddy armistice beckons
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,841
    A watershed moment: Google now spends more on compute than on people.
    https://twitter.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1728076563285971040
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,110
    edited November 2023
    This is how long it took for the previous Dutch coalition to be formed.

    "New Dutch government sworn in 10 months after last election"
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/new-dutch-government-sworn-10-months-after-last-election-2022-01-10/
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,141
    Leon said:

    The Americans and Germans are pressuring Zelensky to sue for peace

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1728031218896126215?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    It’s over. The war is done. Ukraine has run out of men and Russia has run out of mojo. A muddy armistice beckons

    Is disclose.tv a legit source ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,141
    Andy_JS said:

    Is it that Russian troll time again? It's been a while.

    A few months it seems.

    I would say we should expect to see some Israeli trolls or Gazan trolls but we have a fair few fulfilling those roles.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,141

    Trump's stream of consciousness writing style increasingly suggests that he is heavily influenced by Marcel Proust - if he'd heard of him.
    Proust in his first book wrote about, wrote about…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795
    Taz said:

    Is disclose.tv a legit source ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disclose.tv

    Answer, no.
  • Taz said:

    Is disclose.tv a legit source ?
    The tweet cites Bild which is (a) paywalled, and (b) in German.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,990
    edited November 2023
    All this talk of hammers reminded me of...

    https://youtu.be/Kp1z8EzZ5Hs?si=13vMyy06wKJMRV7K
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277
    Taz said:

    Is disclose.tv a legit source ?
    Answer: yes, but be highly cautious

    But it doesn’t matter, because they are simply quoting Bild, which IS entirely legit


    https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/ukraine-krieg-neuer-geheimplan-von--scholz-und-biden-86192752.bild.html
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277

    The tweet cites Bild which is (a) paywalled, and (b) in German.
    But you can read the first paragraphs

    Looks legit to me

    A foreign policy guy analyses:


    “German newspaper BILD reports that there is a "secret German-American Ukraine Plan" whereby Zelensky would not be forced directly to negotiate, but moved into that realisation by continuing to deliberately give him just enough arms, in type and quantity, for him to hold the current de facto line of contact, but deliberately never enough for him to be able to recapture the occupied territories.
    BILD notes a particularly cynical aspect of this alleged plan: that the U.S. and Germany could largely decide this course of action by themselves and impose it, given that they are the two largest suppliers of materiel to Ukraine in terms of volume.
    BILD goes on to say that the aim would be to guide the war, through the policy tool of Western arms supplies, into a de facto Minsk 3 situation, but without ever saying it, as it would be Ukraine itself that would choose that outcome, because it would not be in a position to achieve anything better.
    BILD states that it has a source inside the German government, and that this way of thinking comes from inside the Chancellor's Office, not from the Defence Ministry, and that Defence Minister Pistorius would like to assist Ukraine more, if he had the authority to do so.
    BILD also suggests that Berlin and Washington have the same view and the same goal regarding the trajectory to give to the war.

    My comment: sadly, it is plausible that there is a lot of truth to those revelations and that they will be half-denied very quickly. But in the end, we all see the chosen behaviours of the relevant states, in particular the reluctance to supply longer-range weapons, which is consistent with the alleged plan.
    Of course any such plan would be dishonour and stupidity of absolutely historic proportions. Completely unacceptable and wrong-headed.
    Immoral, too.”

    https://x.com/ehunterchristie/status/1728087101076304107?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795

    The tweet cites Bild which is (a) paywalled, and (b) in German.
    Ah, a classic of the genre. The story, when you reach it, will not say what the tweet implies.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,667

    Ah, a classic of the genre. The story, when you reach it, will not say what the tweet implies.
    Either that (I hope) or we have two modern day Quisling states on our hands.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,811

    Trump's stream of consciousness writing style increasingly suggests that he is heavily influenced by Marcel Proust - if he'd heard of him.
    Can't really see Trump reading Proust (a good lockdown standby, especially if a lockdown were to go into its tenth year). And, with respect, Proust focusses more on the consciousness of memory, and its depth rather than the stream of consciousness itself. For that Joyce is the premier division leader. Trump does a good imitation of Joyce parodying and exaggerating a political or religious lunatic. There is probably such a passage in Ulysses, because everything is there. The hell sermons in 'Portrait' are better structured than Trump.

    In that sense Trump reminds me of certain people I know who, free of charge, will unknowingly provide scripts worthy of Alan Bennett.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,063
    On topic, yes. Iowans tend to be fairly self indulgent from what I saw last year Whereas black Democrat primary voters know the score.
    South Carolina first would be a great start for Jo
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277

    Ah, a classic of the genre. The story, when you reach it, will not say what the tweet implies.
    Except, it does say exactly that
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,811
    Leon said:

    But you can read the first paragraphs

    Looks legit to me

    A foreign policy guy analyses:


    “German newspaper BILD reports that there is a "secret German-American Ukraine Plan" whereby Zelensky would not be forced directly to negotiate, but moved into that realisation by continuing to deliberately give him just enough arms, in type and quantity, for him to hold the current de facto line of contact, but deliberately never enough for him to be able to recapture the occupied territories.
    BILD notes a particularly cynical aspect of this alleged plan: that the U.S. and Germany could largely decide this course of action by themselves and impose it, given that they are the two largest suppliers of materiel to Ukraine in terms of volume.
    BILD goes on to say that the aim would be to guide the war, through the policy tool of Western arms supplies, into a de facto Minsk 3 situation, but without ever saying it, as it would be Ukraine itself that would choose that outcome, because it would not be in a position to achieve anything better.
    BILD states that it has a source inside the German government, and that this way of thinking comes from inside the Chancellor's Office, not from the Defence Ministry, and that Defence Minister Pistorius would like to assist Ukraine more, if he had the authority to do so.
    BILD also suggests that Berlin and Washington have the same view and the same goal regarding the trajectory to give to the war.

    My comment: sadly, it is plausible that there is a lot of truth to those revelations and that they will be half-denied very quickly. But in the end, we all see the chosen behaviours of the relevant states, in particular the reluctance to supply longer-range weapons, which is consistent with the alleged plan.
    Of course any such plan would be dishonour and stupidity of absolutely historic proportions. Completely unacceptable and wrong-headed.
    Immoral, too.”

    https://x.com/ehunterchristie/status/1728087101076304107?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg
    if it is 'secret' it isn't in Bild. if it is in Bild it isn't secret.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    Andy_JS said:

    This is how long it took for the previous Dutch coalition to be formed.

    "New Dutch government sworn in 10 months after last election"
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/new-dutch-government-sworn-10-months-after-last-election-2022-01-10/

    I never understand how it can take so long. With their electoral system and general levels of party support they know going in there will need to be negotiations, and privately if not publicly they must have wargamed various scenarious around what might need to be given up, how much they are willing to accept to get into power, that sort of thing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277
    algarkirk said:

    if it is 'secret' it isn't in Bild. if it is in Bild it isn't secret.
    Bild is a tabloid. They want clicks

    But they generally don’t lie, especially about big stuff like this
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    rcs1000 said:

    Mentioning Icke as if he was a serious figure betrays a complete ignorance of... well... anything.
    They could mix it up a bit and talk about von Daniken or something, though I don't know if he is really active in the way Icke is, or his work has just proven fodder for a genre of tv shows, movies and videogames.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,415
    Pulpstar said:

    On topic, yes. Iowans tend to be fairly self indulgent from what I saw last year Whereas black Democrat primary voters know the score.
    South Carolina first would be a great start for Jo

    Swinson?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    kinabalu said:

    Yes. It's what I want for Christmas next year even more than Labour landslide.
    Labour only winning a little, or even losing, would not be as epoch altering as a second Trump term is likely to be, with the gloves taken off and open admissions of disliking election outcomes and, well, any rules.
  • Leon said:

    Bild is a tabloid. They want clicks

    But they generally don’t lie, especially about big stuff like this
    How on earth does this 'plan' fit with Trump taking office?
  • That's not going to be a quick solution is it.
    They are also a lot more vulnerable to permanent destruction than a bridge. You can rebuild a bridge - as we have seen previously in Crimea but if a big enough bomb can be detonated in a tunnel the damage to and permanent weakening of the surrounding rock can make reconstruction very difficult.
  • Pulpstar said:

    On topic, yes. Iowans tend to be fairly self indulgent from what I saw last year Whereas black Democrat primary voters know the score.
    South Carolina first would be a great start for Jo

    Didn't the Iowans give it to Mayor Pete? Only for the result to be so delayed that it got ignored because of N Hampshire?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277
    THREAD
    German newspaper @bild reveals a secret plan of Germany‘s @Bundeskanzler Scholz and @potus Biden to strangulate Ukraine with reduction of arms deliveries and force Ukraine into a deal with Russia. Before ppl start telling Bild „is a tabloid“… /1


    https://x.com/sumlenny/status/1728069433317294248?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,141
    XR idiot, Roger Hallam, takes a Guardian ‘interview’ with Alan Partridge seriously.

    😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/rogerhallamcs21/status/1728069015401058559?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277

    How on earth does this 'plan' fit with Trump taking office?
    Dunno. Maybe Biden wants the war ‘over’ before the election so Trump can’t use it as leverage?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277
    rcs1000 said:

    And our job is to say that we will support Ukraine as long as they wish to fight.
    Britain alone?

    Brave
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    Didn't the Iowans give it to Mayor Pete? Only for the result to be so delayed that it got ignored because of N Hampshire?
    It's somewhat amusing to see how Biden came fourth in Iowa and FIFTH in New Hampshire.

    Buttegieg may or may not go any further from his current position, but it was an impressively bold move from a young politician to essentially launch straight into a national political role from nowhere.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,934
    DavidL said:

    What's your point Robert?
    The point being that taking him seriously would be like running for the hills because Leon says there is a wolf coming.
  • rcs1000 said:

    And our job is to say that we will support Ukraine as long as they wish to fight.
    What do the Poles think? They are pretty much on the frontline and I doubt they will have any truck with this appeasement process.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    rcs1000 said:

    And our job is to say that we will support Ukraine as long as they wish to fight.
    Yes, but being realistic if the US doesn't do the heavy lifting is anyone else going to outside the Baltics, who can only do so much?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277

    What do the Poles think? They are pretty much on the frontline and I doubt they will have any truck with this appeasement process.
    Aren’t the Poles a bit cheesed off with Kyiv?
  • Leon said:

    Dunno. Maybe Biden wants the war ‘over’ before the election so Trump can’t use it as leverage?
    Fair point.

    Of course it might be a case of "organize a negotiated line with Donbass and Crimea lost for time being" or "here's Donny and he wants to give away your entire country just to say he made the 'deal of the century' with his bestie Vlad"
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,667

    What do the Poles think? They are pretty much on the frontline and I doubt they will have any truck with this appeasement process.
    Ultimately it’s the Americans who stand hovering over the off button on the life support. Because without them - diplomatically - it’s hard to hold together a coalition.

    Purely militarily given how diminished Russia now is I expect a coalition of the willing could probably help Ukraine at least hold its ground, assuming nobody would be lifting sanctions yet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277
    “Poland was Ukraine’s staunchest ally. Why is it now turning into a bitter rival?”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/06/poland-ukraine-ally-rival-war-nationalist-election?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • Leon said:

    Aren’t the Poles a bit cheesed off with Kyiv?
    It's hard to keep up thanks to this month's loons, Hamas, obscuring Ukraine news.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,098
    kle4 said:

    Yes, but being realistic if the US doesn't do the heavy lifting is anyone else going to outside the Baltics, who can only do so much?
    It depends on the sort of Europe, and wider world, we want to live in. I'd strongly argue that a Russian 'win' in this little adventure creates a significant chance of creating a much worse world in many different ways.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277
    TimS said:

    Ultimately it’s the Americans who stand hovering over the off button on the life support. Because without them - diplomatically - it’s hard to hold together a coalition.

    Purely militarily given how diminished Russia now is I expect a coalition of the willing could probably help Ukraine at least hold its ground, assuming nobody would be lifting sanctions yet.
    The war is drawing to an end
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,841
    algarkirk said:

    Can't really see Trump reading Proust (a good lockdown standby, especially if a lockdown were to go into its tenth year). And, with respect, Proust focusses more on the consciousness of memory, and its depth rather than the stream of consciousness itself. For that Joyce is the premier division leader. Trump does a good imitation of Joyce parodying and exaggerating a political or religious lunatic. There is probably such a passage in Ulysses, because everything is there. The hell sermons in 'Portrait' are better structured than Trump.

    In that sense Trump reminds me of certain people I know who, free of charge, will unknowingly provide scripts worthy of Alan Bennett.
    French MAGA would be so much better, though.

    RAGE - rendre à l'Amérique sa grandeur encore.

    (With apologies to DuraAce for my mangled French.)

  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,667
    Leon said:

    “Poland was Ukraine’s staunchest ally. Why is it now turning into a bitter rival?”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/06/poland-ukraine-ally-rival-war-nationalist-election?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Agricultural trade war. But the loons then went and lost the election.
  • kle4 said:

    Yes, but being realistic if the US doesn't do the heavy lifting is anyone else going to outside the Baltics, who can only do so much?
    I just hope there's a crack team within UK government planning how UK will help with the heavy lifting of resisting Russia in general across Europe ready for the Trump 2.0 arrival.

    All of europe needs to plan now.

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Leon said:

    The Americans and Germans are pressuring Zelensky to sue for peace

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1728031218896126215?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    It’s over. The war is done. Ukraine has run out of men and Russia has run out of mojo. A muddy armistice beckons

    If Ukraine has run out of men why would the US/Germany need to force them towards peace? It also seems rather implausible in terms of numbers unless the Ukrainian losses are far, far bigger than we are lead to believe. I just cannot fathom the US approach of refusing to supply long range missiles when the UK did it without escalatory consequences. The Crimean bridge is a sitting duck.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,667
    edited November 2023
    Leon said:

    The war is drawing to an end
    Depends how you define the war. If we’re talking a ceasefire with Russia keeping its gains, then the war has only just begun. This would be the Munich stage. Couple of years to rearm and off goes Putin again.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    It depends on the sort of Europe, and wider world, we want to live in. I'd strongly argue that a Russian 'win' in this little adventure creates a significant chance of creating a much worse world in many different ways.
    So would I, and thus far I feel like most of the West has learned the lesson from the fall of Crimea - that ignoring it or letting it fester will only make it worse later - but as time moves on I feel depressingly confident that lesson will be unlearned.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,277
    TimS said:

    Agricultural trade war. But the loons then went and lost the election.
    Sure. But polls of Poles show war weariness in Warsaw
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