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Foxy said:

The Rwanda scheme is another Tory failure. A headline gimmick that simultaneously offends the centrists for its callousness, and the headbangers for being ineffective.

I am surprised Rwanda wanted any part of it. It is pretty offensive to regard Africa as a dumping ground for the unwanted.

Foxy said:

The Rwanda scheme is another Tory failure. A headline gimmick that simultaneously offends the centrists for its callousness, and the headbangers for being ineffective.

I am surprised Rwanda wanted any part of it. It is pretty offensive to regard Africa as a dumping ground for the unwanted.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Foxy said:

The Rwanda scheme is another Tory failure. A headline gimmick that simultaneously offends the centrists for its callousness, and the headbangers for being ineffective.

I am surprised Rwanda wanted any part of it. It is pretty offensive to regard Africa as a dumping ground for the unwanted.

They have £140 million from HMG and unlikely to ever taken in an illegal immigrant.

They must be pissing themselves laughing. Reverse colonialism, after a fashion.

Stuartinromford said:

First rule of political Comms:

The less you are actually going to do about X, the more and more loudly you have to talk about it.

Rishi can't change the law, because the Lords can delay anything past the election. And unless the polls are very wrong or something crazy happens, then the policy dies.

So he has to keep saying that the flights are coming soon, honest. Even if it's utterly dishonest to say so.

I don't think it works well; wets hate the language and hard cases hate the inaction. But everything else is probably worse and the only way out us not to start from here.

Nigelb said:

Came across this last night.

This ring was discovered on a woman buried around 1,200 years ago in Birka, an ancient Viking city located 30 km (19 miles) west of contemporary Stockholm, Sweden. What sets this ring apart is the inscription "for Allah" in Kufic Arabic, commonly used between the 8th and 10th centuries. It provides evidence of direct contact between Vikings and the Abbasid Caliphate, the third caliphate succeeding the Islamic prophet Muhammad.

Delving into the topic, I explored various Arab travelers and their extensive premodern explorations. The most prolific pre-modern explorer was Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Moroccan who is believed to have traversed 117,000 km (72,000 miles)...
https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1724917855127216634

TheScreamingEagles said:

My boy Lord Cameron is in Ukraine.

Nigelb said:

Nigelb said:

Came across this last night.

This ring was discovered on a woman buried around 1,200 years ago in Birka, an ancient Viking city located 30 km (19 miles) west of contemporary Stockholm, Sweden. What sets this ring apart is the inscription "for Allah" in Kufic Arabic, commonly used between the 8th and 10th centuries. It provides evidence of direct contact between Vikings and the Abbasid Caliphate, the third caliphate succeeding the Islamic prophet Muhammad.

Delving into the topic, I explored various Arab travelers and their extensive premodern explorations. The most prolific pre-modern explorer was Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Moroccan who is believed to have traversed 117,000 km (72,000 miles)...
https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1724917855127216634

The Ibn Battuta mentioned, though separated by culture, religion, and a millennium of history, is notably Leon adjacent.
.."I set out alone, having neither fellow-traveler in whose companionship I might find cheer, nor caravan whose part I might join, but swayed by an overmastering impulse within me and a desire long-cherished in my bosom to visit these illustrious sanctuaries. So I braced my resolution to quit my dear ones, female and male, and forsook my home as birds forsake their nests...

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Foxy said:

The Rwanda scheme is another Tory failure. A headline gimmick that simultaneously offends the centrists for its callousness, and the headbangers for being ineffective.

I am surprised Rwanda wanted any part of it. It is pretty offensive to regard Africa as a dumping ground for the unwanted.

They have £140 million from HMG and unlikely to ever taken in an illegal immigrant.

They must be pissing themselves laughing. Reverse colonialism, after a fashion.

Good luck to them

The french are laughing even more £500m

So £640million for not a lot. That could buy 1 mile of HS2

TheScreamingEagles said:

I saw some talking head on the TV railing against the EHCR saying no other country would accept the a foreign court ruling on what they can do.

Poor dear obviously has never heard of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council.

Casino_Royale said:

The policy that's needed is to (a) strengthen the qualification criteria (b) put a cap on numbers and (c) deport anyone who doesn't satisfy (a) or (b) back to their country of origin.

I don't think people care how it's done. The trouble is that Rwanda was an attempt to dodge (a) and manage (b) by showing them a real risk of (c) via another country - Rwanda.

The only way it can really be done is through domestic law reform, lots of bilateral deals and regional/global deals to redo all the international laws& treaties that currently relate to asylum, which are effectively open-ended.

Sandpit said:

Stuartinromford said:

First rule of political Comms:

The less you are actually going to do about X, the more and more loudly you have to talk about it.

Rishi can't change the law, because the Lords can delay anything past the election. And unless the polls are very wrong or something crazy happens, then the policy dies.

So he has to keep saying that the flights are coming soon, honest. Even if it's utterly dishonest to say so.

I don't think it works well; wets hate the language and hard cases hate the inaction. But everything else is probably worse and the only way out us not to start from here.

As someone (not me) very perceptibly pointed out yesterday, Rishi’s managing to upset pretty much everyone, by proposing such a system but then being unable to implement it. Not just on immigration either, but on a whole load of policy areas he’s talking like a right-winger but doing at best mushy centrism.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT - the Tories have had 14 years to sort out the £100k tax trap, and have done precisely nothing about, instead preferring to tinker around with corporation tax and the headline top rate. In fact, in some respects they made it worse by creating a new £50k tax trap.

It's no wonder their base has haemorrhaged.

That's not accurate because they created it in the first place. It was a central plank of Osborne's "broadest shoulders" approach to filling the chasm created by the collapse of financial services money.

To me, and I have suffered under it for many years, it is no more appalling than the abatements and tapering that those with in work benefits suffer under somewhat further down the salary scale. Whenever you have a change in the marginal rate it is inevitably going to be higher than the rates on either side of it. The only alternative to a taper is a cliff edge. Not sure that is better.

I thought it was originally the work of Brown? Or have I been hoodwinked by Tory propaganda?

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT - the Tories have had 14 years to sort out the £100k tax trap, and have done precisely nothing about, instead preferring to tinker around with corporation tax and the headline top rate. In fact, in some respects they made it worse by creating a new £50k tax trap.

It's no wonder their base has haemorrhaged.

That's not accurate because they created it in the first place. It was a central plank of Osborne's "broadest shoulders" approach to filling the chasm created by the collapse of financial services money.

To me, and I have suffered under it for many years, it is no more appalling than the abatements and tapering that those with in work benefits suffer under somewhat further down the salary scale. Whenever you have a change in the marginal rate it is inevitably going to be higher than the rates on either side of it. The only alternative to a taper is a cliff edge. Not sure that is better.

Sandpit said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT - the Tories have had 14 years to sort out the £100k tax trap, and have done precisely nothing about, instead preferring to tinker around with corporation tax and the headline top rate. In fact, in some respects they made it worse by creating a new £50k tax trap.

It's no wonder their base has haemorrhaged.

That's not accurate because they created it in the first place. It was a central plank of Osborne's "broadest shoulders" approach to filling the chasm created by the collapse of financial services money.

To me, and I have suffered under it for many years, it is no more appalling than the abatements and tapering that those with in work benefits suffer under somewhat further down the salary scale. Whenever you have a change in the marginal rate it is inevitably going to be higher than the rates on either side of it. The only alternative to a taper is a cliff edge. Not sure that is better.

I thought it was originally the work of Brown? Or have I been hoodwinked by Tory propaganda?

Originally announced by Darling in 2009, and implemented a month before the 2010 election.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_allowance

Alanbrooke said:

Foxy said:

Alanbrooke said:

Foxy said:

The Rwanda scheme is another Tory failure. A headline gimmick that simultaneously offends the centrists for its callousness, and the headbangers for being ineffective.

I am surprised Rwanda wanted any part of it. It is pretty offensive to regard Africa as a dumping ground for the unwanted.

Isnt it Rwanda touting itself for this line of business ? They are in discussion with several european countries.

It is, but lots of governments debase themselves.

Most Africans that I know resent the continent being regarded as a dumping ground.

Then maybe they should try representative democracy instead of corrupt strong men.

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

The policy that's needed is to (a) strengthen the qualification criteria (b) put a cap on numbers and (c) deport anyone who doesn't satisfy (a) or (b) back to their country of origin.

I don't think people care how it's done. The trouble is that Rwanda was an attempt to dodge (a) and manage (b) by showing them a real risk of (c) via another country - Rwanda.

The only way it can really be done is through domestic law reform, lots of bilateral deals and regional/global deals to redo all the international laws& treaties that currently relate to asylum, which are effectively open-ended.

There likely would be a considerable amount of international support for rewriting such treaties. The UK is certainly no outlier. But doing so would take hard work, as opposed to ineffectual ranting, and our politicians prefer the latter.

Peter_the_Punter said:

Foxy said:

The Rwanda scheme is another Tory failure. A headline gimmick that simultaneously offends the centrists for its callousness, and the headbangers for being ineffective.

I am surprised Rwanda wanted any part of it. It is pretty offensive to regard Africa as a dumping ground for the unwanted.

Didn't they get a lot of lolly for doing nothing?

Sounds reasonable to me.

Foxy said:

I see that the number of failing Maternity units is now 2/3, significantly up over the year. Something that I have regularly pointed out on here over the years.

My Trust is now one of these rated inadequate on safety, mostly due to inadequate staffing by midwives and doctors.

BBC News - Most NHS maternity units not safe enough, says regulator
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67238868

Not that I have much faith in the CQC, but this is a scandal that is systemic, and the numbers of lives lost makes the Post Office look like amateurs.

eek said:

DavidL said:

Sandpit said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT - the Tories have had 14 years to sort out the £100k tax trap, and have done precisely nothing about, instead preferring to tinker around with corporation tax and the headline top rate. In fact, in some respects they made it worse by creating a new £50k tax trap.

It's no wonder their base has haemorrhaged.

That's not accurate because they created it in the first place. It was a central plank of Osborne's "broadest shoulders" approach to filling the chasm created by the collapse of financial services money.

To me, and I have suffered under it for many years, it is no more appalling than the abatements and tapering that those with in work benefits suffer under somewhat further down the salary scale. Whenever you have a change in the marginal rate it is inevitably going to be higher than the rates on either side of it. The only alternative to a taper is a cliff edge. Not sure that is better.

I thought it was originally the work of Brown? Or have I been hoodwinked by Tory propaganda?

Originally announced by Darling in 2009, and implemented a month before the 2010 election.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_allowance

So the first tax return I would have submitted caught by it would have been under Osborne. That explains it.

There is a long history of the truly hideous tax increases being announced a year early so that people forget about them and they become background history before they suddenly appear...

Foxy said:

Alanbrooke said:

Foxy said:

The Rwanda scheme is another Tory failure. A headline gimmick that simultaneously offends the centrists for its callousness, and the headbangers for being ineffective.

I am surprised Rwanda wanted any part of it. It is pretty offensive to regard Africa as a dumping ground for the unwanted.

Isnt it Rwanda touting itself for this line of business ? They are in discussion with several european countries.

It is, but lots of governments debase themselves.

Most Africans that I know resent the continent being regarded as a dumping ground.

Sean_F said:

Nigelb said:

Nigelb said:

Nigelb said:

Came across this last night.

This ring was discovered on a woman buried around 1,200 years ago in Birka, an ancient Viking city located 30 km (19 miles) west of contemporary Stockholm, Sweden. What sets this ring apart is the inscription "for Allah" in Kufic Arabic, commonly used between the 8th and 10th centuries. It provides evidence of direct contact between Vikings and the Abbasid Caliphate, the third caliphate succeeding the Islamic prophet Muhammad.

Delving into the topic, I explored various Arab travelers and their extensive premodern explorations. The most prolific pre-modern explorer was Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Moroccan who is believed to have traversed 117,000 km (72,000 miles)...
https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1724917855127216634

The Ibn Battuta mentioned, though separated by culture, religion, and a millennium of history, is notably Leon adjacent.
.."I set out alone, having neither fellow-traveler in whose companionship I might find cheer, nor caravan whose part I might join, but swayed by an overmastering impulse within me and a desire long-cherished in my bosom to visit these illustrious sanctuaries. So I braced my resolution to quit my dear ones, female and male, and forsook my home as birds forsake their nests...

Wikipedia is yet more uncanny.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Battuta
...Ibn Battuta's claim that a Maghrebian called "Abu'l Barakat the Berber" converted the Maldives to Islam is contradicted by an entirely different story which says that the Maldives were converted to Islam after miracles were performed by a Tabrizi named Maulana Shaikh Yusuf Shams-ud-din according to the Tarikh, the official history of the Maldives.

Some scholars have also questioned whether he really visited China...

...Concubines were used by Ibn Battuta such as in Delhi. He wedded several women, divorced at least some of them, and in Damascus, Malabar, Delhi, Bukhara, and the Maldives had children by them or by concubines.[172] Ibn Battuta insulted Greeks as "enemies of Allah", drunkards and "swine eaters", while at the same time in Ephesus he purchased and used a Greek girl who was one of his many slave girls in his "harem" through Byzantium, Khorasan, Africa, and Palestine.[173] It was two decades before he again returned to find out what happened to one of his wives and child in Damascus...

There's the bones of an article, maybe even a book in this for our resident knapper ?

I can remember Michael Wood’s programme about Eric Bloodaxe, which went into the links between vikings, and the various Islamic States at the time. The vikings sold them slaves on a massive scale, and got tons of silver in return.

As Dominic Sandbrook says, it’s striking how popular vikings are, when they were murderers, rapists, and slavers on a huge scale (there’s even a slave trading game you can play, at a Danish museum on Vikings.)

DavidL said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT - the Tories have had 14 years to sort out the £100k tax trap, and have done precisely nothing about, instead preferring to tinker around with corporation tax and the headline top rate. In fact, in some respects they made it worse by creating a new £50k tax trap.

It's no wonder their base has haemorrhaged.

That's not accurate because they created it in the first place. It was a central plank of Osborne's "broadest shoulders" approach to filling the chasm created by the collapse of financial services money.

To me, and I have suffered under it for many years, it is no more appalling than the abatements and tapering that those with in work benefits suffer under somewhat further down the salary scale. Whenever you have a change in the marginal rate it is inevitably going to be higher than the rates on either side of it. The only alternative to a taper is a cliff edge. Not sure that is better.

I thought it was originally the work of Brown? Or have I been hoodwinked by Tory propaganda?

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I don't remember losing my personal allowances under Brown, I think it was under Osborne. I certainly lost my CB under Osborne.

Nigelb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So we also need to discuss Rishi Sunak recently met up with a far right extremist.

This is what @elonmusk says he endorses That Jewish communities push hatred against white people. (This is a foundation of the Great Replacement Theory/"Jews will not replace us" extreme right).



https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1724945764835586193/photo/1

This is literally the conspiracy theory espoused by the white supremacist who massacred the Pittsburgh Tree of Life synagogue. Musk approves.

https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1724910188195348828

Nigelb said:

Came across this last night.

This ring was discovered on a woman buried around 1,200 years ago in Birka, an ancient Viking city located 30 km (19 miles) west of contemporary Stockholm, Sweden. What sets this ring apart is the inscription "for Allah" in Kufic Arabic, commonly used between the 8th and 10th centuries. It provides evidence of direct contact between Vikings and the Abbasid Caliphate, the third caliphate succeeding the Islamic prophet Muhammad.

Delving into the topic, I explored various Arab travelers and their extensive premodern explorations. The most prolific pre-modern explorer was Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Moroccan who is believed to have traversed 117,000 km (72,000 miles)...
https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1724917855127216634

DavidL said:

Sandpit said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT - the Tories have had 14 years to sort out the £100k tax trap, and have done precisely nothing about, instead preferring to tinker around with corporation tax and the headline top rate. In fact, in some respects they made it worse by creating a new £50k tax trap.

It's no wonder their base has haemorrhaged.

That's not accurate because they created it in the first place. It was a central plank of Osborne's "broadest shoulders" approach to filling the chasm created by the collapse of financial services money.

To me, and I have suffered under it for many years, it is no more appalling than the abatements and tapering that those with in work benefits suffer under somewhat further down the salary scale. Whenever you have a change in the marginal rate it is inevitably going to be higher than the rates on either side of it. The only alternative to a taper is a cliff edge. Not sure that is better.

I thought it was originally the work of Brown? Or have I been hoodwinked by Tory propaganda?

Originally announced by Darling in 2009, and implemented a month before the 2010 election.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_allowance

So the first tax return I would have submitted caught by it would have been under Osborne. That explains it.

Foxy said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Aaron Bell MP was made a government whip the other day.
https://www.gov.uk/government/people/aaron-bell

But no-one has updated his Wikipedia page with the news he is climbing the greasy pole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Bell_(politician)

Great news.

I'd vote for him in a trice, if only for his excellent contributions to this site.

Nice enough bloke socially, but I wouldn't vote for anyone who backed Truss and now willing to whip for Sunaks erratic policy making.

Pretty nailed on now to be back as a bookie within the year.

Cyclefree said:

Foxy said:

I see that the number of failing Maternity units is now 2/3, significantly up over the year. Something that I have regularly pointed out on here over the years.

My Trust is now one of these rated inadequate on safety, mostly due to inadequate staffing by midwives and doctors.

BBC News - Most NHS maternity units not safe enough, says regulator
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67238868

Not that I have much faith in the CQC, but this is a scandal that is systemic, and the numbers of lives lost makes the Post Office look like amateurs.

I am willing to bet serious money that many of the same failings appear in both scandals: arrogance, refusal to learn, attacking anyone raising concerns, callousness to those affected, shiny slogans and mission statements unaccompanied by action, second-rate staff, refusal to look at evidence, failure to implement recommendations, misallocation of resources/money and so on and on and on and on.

From March 2022 - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2022/03/19/not-again/

Note the last line. Since then there has been the scandal in Nottingham's maternity care - 1200 people affected I understand.

The phrase "lessons learned" now makes me want to vomit.

DavidL said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT - the Tories have had 14 years to sort out the £100k tax trap, and have done precisely nothing about, instead preferring to tinker around with corporation tax and the headline top rate. In fact, in some respects they made it worse by creating a new £50k tax trap.

It's no wonder their base has haemorrhaged.

That's not accurate because they created it in the first place. It was a central plank of Osborne's "broadest shoulders" approach to filling the chasm created by the collapse of financial services money.

To me, and I have suffered under it for many years, it is no more appalling than the abatements and tapering that those with in work benefits suffer under somewhat further down the salary scale. Whenever you have a change in the marginal rate it is inevitably going to be higher than the rates on either side of it. The only alternative to a taper is a cliff edge. Not sure that is better.

I thought it was originally the work of Brown? Or have I been hoodwinked by Tory propaganda?

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I don't remember losing my personal allowances under Brown, I think it was under Osborne. I certainly lost my CB under
Osborne.

Foxy said:

Cyclefree said:

Foxy said:

I see that the number of failing Maternity units is now 2/3, significantly up over the year. Something that I have regularly pointed out on here over the years.

My Trust is now one of these rated inadequate on safety, mostly due to inadequate staffing by midwives and doctors.

BBC News - Most NHS maternity units not safe enough, says regulator
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67238868

Not that I have much faith in the CQC, but this is a scandal that is systemic, and the numbers of lives lost makes the Post Office look like amateurs.

I am willing to bet serious money that many of the same failings appear in both scandals: arrogance, refusal to learn, attacking anyone raising concerns, callousness to those affected, shiny slogans and mission statements unaccompanied by action, second-rate staff, refusal to look at evidence, failure to implement recommendations, misallocation of resources/money and so on and on and on and on.

From March 2022 - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2022/03/19/not-again/

Note the last line. Since then there has been the scandal in Nottingham's maternity care - 1200 people affected I understand.

The phrase "lessons learned" now makes me want to vomit.

Those things wouldn't surprise me at all, but fails to explain specifically why maternity as opposed to other departments. This is despite, or perhaps because of, liability insurance exceeding salary costs to maternity units.

I need to be off shortly but there are reasons why maternity in particular fails in the UK.

148grss said:

JosiasJessop said:

Nigelb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So we also need to discuss Rishi Sunak recently met up with a far right extremist.

This is what @elonmusk says he endorses That Jewish communities push hatred against white people. (This is a foundation of the Great Replacement Theory/"Jews will not replace us" extreme right).



https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1724945764835586193/photo/1

This is literally the conspiracy theory espoused by the white supremacist who massacred the Pittsburgh Tree of Life synagogue. Musk approves.

https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1724910188195348828

Musk also apparently called Zelensky a 'butcher' yesterday.

The guy's as much a danger as Trump.

Someone called him the modern Ford on X in response to this - they meant it positively, but I would argue that it is true but also not good.

StaffordKnot said:

Nigelb said:

Came across this last night.

This ring was discovered on a woman buried around 1,200 years ago in Birka, an ancient Viking city located 30 km (19 miles) west of contemporary Stockholm, Sweden. What sets this ring apart is the inscription "for Allah" in Kufic Arabic, commonly used between the 8th and 10th centuries. It provides evidence of direct contact between Vikings and the Abbasid Caliphate, the third caliphate succeeding the Islamic prophet Muhammad.

Delving into the topic, I explored various Arab travelers and their extensive premodern explorations. The most prolific pre-modern explorer was Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Moroccan who is believed to have traversed 117,000 km (72,000 miles)...
https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1724917855127216634

It wasn't just the Arabs who travelled extensively - the Vikings ended up a long way south, using the river system of Eastern Europe. I would strongly recommend Cat Jarman's River Kings for an excellent picture of their activity. https://www.waterstones.com/book/river-kings/cat-jarman/9780008353117

Cyclefree said:

Foxy said:

I see that the number of failing Maternity units is now 2/3, significantly up over the year. Something that I have regularly pointed out on here over the years.

My Trust is now one of these rated inadequate on safety, mostly due to inadequate staffing by midwives and doctors.

BBC News - Most NHS maternity units not safe enough, says regulator
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67238868

Not that I have much faith in the CQC, but this is a scandal that is systemic, and the numbers of lives lost makes the Post Office look like amateurs.

I am willing to bet serious money that many of the same failings appear in both scandals: arrogance, refusal to learn, attacking anyone raising concerns, callousness to those affected, shiny slogans and mission statements unaccompanied by action, second-rate staff, refusal to look at evidence, failure to implement recommendations, misallocation of resources/money and so on and on and on and on.

From March 2022 - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2022/03/19/not-again/

Note the last line. Since then there has been the scandal in Nottingham's maternity care - 1200 people affected I understand.

The phrase "lessons learned" now makes me want to vomit.

nico679 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Sandpit said:

Stuartinromford said:

First rule of political Comms:

The less you are actually going to do about X, the more and more loudly you have to talk about it.

Rishi can't change the law, because the Lords can delay anything past the election. And unless the polls are very wrong or something crazy happens, then the policy dies.

So he has to keep saying that the flights are coming soon, honest. Even if it's utterly dishonest to say so.

I don't think it works well; wets hate the language and hard cases hate the inaction. But everything else is probably worse and the only way out us not to start from here.

As someone (not me) very perceptibly pointed out yesterday, Rishi’s managing to upset pretty much everyone, by proposing such a system but then being unable to implement it. Not just on immigration either, but on a whole load of policy areas he’s talking like a right-winger but doing at best mushy centrism.

Thing is, he does get some things right (he has cut small boats, eviscerated the SNP over trans and sorted out NI trade) but he doesn't get the credit for it.

Politics is hard and he's just not wired that way.

He has had some successes and has taken a much more pragmatic view of relations with the EU . The WF , re-joining Horizon and even small issues in terms of the new policy on school trips from the EU . Unfortunately the boats issue is likely to send him over the edge . Much of the issues surrounding that were foreseeable . You can tell the desperation of getting a flight off before the election is now going to lead to a scorched earth approach.

I expect things will end up back in the SC . Interestingly the new term we might see pop up mentioned by the BBCs Dominic Casciani is the nuclear option “ declaration of incompatibility “ .

If that happens the government will be forced to either remove the UK from the ECHR or drop its boats policy . I expect at that point the Tories will implode , we’ll see a purge of Tory MPs who refuse to vote for that and then it will become part of the manifesto .

viewcode said:

148grss said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So we also need to discuss Rishi Sunak recently met up with a far right extremist.

This is what @elonmusk says he endorses That Jewish communities push hatred against white people. (This is a foundation of the Great Replacement Theory/"Jews will not replace us" extreme right).



https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1724945764835586193/photo/1

Lots of far right wingers (e.g Marine le Pen, or Victor Orban) fall into this category, though - truly vile antisemitism that really is in line with Protocols or, indeed, Nazism - but because they support Israel they don't get the same level of scrutiny on it (and, indeed, will have people like Netanyahu as allies). This goes to another issue with the state of Israel as it is constructed; to those kinds of politicians its utility is not as a safe haven for the Jewish diaspora, a "homeland" in that sense, but an example (and justification) for their desire for their own ethnostates, a different "homeland" if you will. Their logic is, if the Jewish people can have one, why not us?

I have said here multiple times how the Post-Modern Neo-Marxist nonsense of the Jordan Peterson's of the world is just Nazi Judeo Bolshevism repackaged - and that is what Musk is essentially endorsing. The idea that ((someone)) must be behind the bad things happening in the West and the "fall of white people" and that ((someone)) are The Jews.

I doubt Musk will get the same scrutiny as the average random pro-Palestinian protester who calls for a ceasefire or an end to apartheid (and have very little power), despite the fact he is literally the richest man on the planet and meets with heads of states.

No you haven't explicitly said it here multiple times, although many of your statements are compatible with it (and are now illuminated by this underlying thesis). I keep saying this to people (Cicero, MoonRabbit, Stodge? etc), write this up into an article and send it in. Just laying down allusions in the comments is not as useful as it could be.

TheScreamingEagles said:

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OnlyLivingBoy said:

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Casino_Royale said:

FPT - the Tories have had 14 years to sort out the £100k tax trap, and have done precisely nothing about, instead preferring to tinker around with corporation tax and the headline top rate. In fact, in some respects they made it worse by creating a new £50k tax trap.

It's no wonder their base has haemorrhaged.

That's not accurate because they created it in the first place. It was a central plank of Osborne's "broadest shoulders" approach to filling the chasm created by the collapse of financial services money.

To me, and I have suffered under it for many years, it is no more appalling than the abatements and tapering that those with in work benefits suffer under somewhat further down the salary scale. Whenever you have a change in the marginal rate it is inevitably going to be higher than the rates on either side of it. The only alternative to a taper is a cliff edge. Not sure that is better.

I thought it was originally the work of Brown? Or have I been hoodwinked by Tory propaganda?

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I don't remember losing my personal allowances under Brown, I think it was under Osborne. I certainly lost my CB under Osborne.

It was announced right at the end of the Labour government. So it was introduced under Labour.

OldKingCole said:

South Africa, 2-1 in the second over one of the main!