The polls reflect much disillusionment with the current government overlaid with a marked lack of enthusiasm for the next one.
I wonder whether the lack of enthusiasm for the next government is as much just a meme as anything grounded in fact. Approval ratings for Labour and SKS are OK, across most aspects of government. Labour polling is pretty strong.
Is the seeming lack of enthusiasm a victim of rose tinted nostalgia about the Blair years? In my lifetime there have been only 3 proper changes of government: Callaghan to Thatcher in 1979, Major to Blair in 1997 and Brown to Cameron in 2010. There was by all accounts no great enthusiasm in 1979. In 1997 there was certainly a sense of a refreshing change on the horizon but the reporting at the time was, just like now, dominated by disappointment with the tired and fractious Tory government on its way out. Blair remained a bit unknown and unproven. And in 2010 the lack of enthusiasm for the alternative was such that the Lib Dems were polling in the mid to high 20s during the election campaign.
So I certainly don't think the public is unusually cool towards Starmer's Labour. They seem about as enthused as they ever get, which is not much. I'd say the same of business sentiment too.
I think there was a lot of enthusiasm in 1997. I think a lot of it was a product of how disappointing the Labour defeat in 1992 had been. After the poll tax and seeing off Thatcher, a lot of lectures expected to win in 1992, and losing was crushing. So the relief in 1997 generated a lot of enthusiasm.
This doesn't apply this time round because Corbyn's defeat in 2019 wasn't a surprise. And I think there's also a lot less enthusiasm just because - after Brexit, Covid, Boris, Truss and the decline in living standards - Britain is feeling a bit exhausted. You might think that some Blair-style optimism would be helpful in the circumstances, but I think it would come across as detached from reality.
So, no enthusiasm. The best Starmer can hope for is a grim determination to get a job that needs doing done, and done properly.
Yep, this is a time for a Starmer not a Blair. As for 'no enthusiasm' that's possibly a sign of the electorate growing up a bit after the childishness of 'Boris' and Brexit. There's a new realism afoot. People no longer have their head in the clouds. They know the next few years are going to be torrid. But there's tremendous enthusiasm for the main point of the next GE, out with the Tories and in with something materially better. And maybe it will feel positively terrific when PM Starmer gets in (despite the modest grounded expectations). All is relative after all.
Just caught up on the gist of the speech. Wow. Pedicabs, vaping and forcing criminals to attend sentencing. Parish pump stuff. So parochial; embarrassing for country that aspires to be a global leader.
Purely from a strategic point of view, we're approaching an election, and the government have the initiative by default - they're squandering it, and Sunak continues to be really, really bad at politics. There's no vision, no answers to the big questions. Just performative nibbling around the edges.
The longer term trend on this is not so bad. People much less pessimistic than they were a year ago, and roughly similar to where they were just before Partygate broke out.
As 1997 showed, this doesn't necessarily translate into Tory votes, in fact people may partly feel more optimistic because they expect a change of government. I think there are a few things likely to make the public less pessimistic than in 2022:
- Inflation is now falling, albeit still high, rather than skyrocketing. Particularly noticeable in heating bills as we enter winter - For all that Sunak's government is a bit limp, it's not the same crazed chaos as under latter day Johnson or the Truss-Kwarteng fever dream - The Russia-Ukraine war was pretty terrifying when it started but is now part of the furniture
So I don't think I agree with the header. There's a short term rise in pessimism but it's well down longer term.
Yes, I agree
Also, I think the nation is finally getting over Brexit. The departure of Boris has probably drawn a lot of the poison, but I also sense a genuine feeling of: it's done, like it or not, make the best of it. Clearly a lot of people, a sizeable majority, regret it - as things stand- but I doubt half of those people want to actually revisit it
This itself removes a shadow from British politics. We are in the post-Brexit era now, with its advantages and disadvantages; turns out it wasn't the immediate sunlit uplands promised by some, but neither was it the catastrophe that broke up the UK threatened by others. Meh
The nation is being brought back together again through a shared dislike for the current government.
Agree that the last thing we need to is revisit the national trauma of Brexit.
My Remoaner friends - some of them driven half crazy about it, at one point, to the point of homicidal anger- are now largely quiet. They shrug. It's done. And as it turns out it isn't quite as bad as they feared, tho it is still definitely bad
It's now filed under: really regrettable, but oh well, like a bad relationship that is now years in the past, but you get over things
I'm nearly there but proper closure will require a cathartic series of Portillo moments at the election next year.
The EU swinging hard right has given quite a few of my smarter Remainer friends (who are mainly on the left) additional pause for thought
I find that impossible to believe.
I tend to agree. I find remainers prepared to tolerate anything up to outright Nazism on the Continent with the sublime indifference of a doting parent whose child has just crayoned a friend's wall.
The longer term trend on this is not so bad. People much less pessimistic than they were a year ago, and roughly similar to where they were just before Partygate broke out.
As 1997 showed, this doesn't necessarily translate into Tory votes, in fact people may partly feel more optimistic because they expect a change of government. I think there are a few things likely to make the public less pessimistic than in 2022:
- Inflation is now falling, albeit still high, rather than skyrocketing. Particularly noticeable in heating bills as we enter winter - For all that Sunak's government is a bit limp, it's not the same crazed chaos as under latter day Johnson or the Truss-Kwarteng fever dream - The Russia-Ukraine war was pretty terrifying when it started but is now part of the furniture
So I don't think I agree with the header. There's a short term rise in pessimism but it's well down longer term.
Yes, I agree
Also, I think the nation is finally getting over Brexit. The departure of Boris has probably drawn a lot of the poison, but I also sense a genuine feeling of: it's done, like it or not, make the best of it. Clearly a lot of people, a sizeable majority, regret it - as things stand- but I doubt half of those people want to actually revisit it
This itself removes a shadow from British politics. We are in the post-Brexit era now, with its advantages and disadvantages; turns out it wasn't the immediate sunlit uplands promised by some, but neither was it the catastrophe that broke up the UK threatened by others. Meh
The nation is being brought back together again through a shared dislike for the current government.
Agree that the last thing we need to is revisit the national trauma of Brexit.
My Remoaner friends - some of them driven half crazy about it, at one point, to the point of homicidal anger- are now largely quiet. They shrug. It's done. And as it turns out it isn't quite as bad as they feared, tho it is still definitely bad
It's now filed under: really regrettable, but oh well, like a bad relationship that is now years in the past, but you get over things
I'm nearly there but proper closure will require a cathartic series of Portillo moments at the election next year.
The EU swinging hard right has given quite a few of my smarter Remainer friends (who are mainly on the left) additional pause for thought
I find that impossible to believe.
I tend to agree. I find remainers prepared to tolerate anything up to outright Nazism on the Continent with the sublime indifference of a doting parent whose child has just crayoned a friend's wall.
You misunderstand. I find it impossible to believe that Leon has any friends.
Genuine question, has a Speech from the Throne ever really changed or reset a narrative?
I’ve always found it a very Westminster bubble day really. Get Liz or Charlie dressed up to blabber about whatever the government buzzwords of the day are, send them back to the Palace while the politicians have a bit of a shouting match, nothing of great consequence is really gleaned or achieved, beyond the functions of the State being performed, which is the main reason for it (and hence why it’s important, but it’s important for the tradition and the constitutional significance, not really the political significance).
1910 was far-reaching, a government defiant in the face of being reduced to a hung parliament and losing the popular vote.
The polls reflect much disillusionment with the current government overlaid with a marked lack of enthusiasm for the next one.
I wonder whether the lack of enthusiasm for the next government is as much just a meme as anything grounded in fact. Approval ratings for Labour and SKS are OK, across most aspects of government. Labour polling is pretty strong.
Is the seeming lack of enthusiasm a victim of rose tinted nostalgia about the Blair years? In my lifetime there have been only 3 proper changes of government: Callaghan to Thatcher in 1979, Major to Blair in 1997 and Brown to Cameron in 2010. There was by all accounts no great enthusiasm in 1979. In 1997 there was certainly a sense of a refreshing change on the horizon but the reporting at the time was, just like now, dominated by disappointment with the tired and fractious Tory government on its way out. Blair remained a bit unknown and unproven. And in 2010 the lack of enthusiasm for the alternative was such that the Lib Dems were polling in the mid to high 20s during the election campaign.
So I certainly don't think the public is unusually cool towards Starmer's Labour. They seem about as enthused as they ever get, which is not much. I'd say the same of business sentiment too.
I think there was a lot of enthusiasm in 1997. I think a lot of it was a product of how disappointing the Labour defeat in 1992 had been. After the poll tax and seeing off Thatcher, a lot of lectures expected to win in 1992, and losing was crushing. So the relief in 1997 generated a lot of enthusiasm.
This doesn't apply this time round because Corbyn's defeat in 2019 wasn't a surprise. And I think there's also a lot less enthusiasm just because - after Brexit, Covid, Boris, Truss and the decline in living standards - Britain is feeling a bit exhausted. You might think that some Blair-style optimism would be helpful in the circumstances, but I think it would come across as detached from reality.
So, no enthusiasm. The best Starmer can hope for is a grim determination to get a job that needs doing done, and done properly.
Yep, this is a time for a Starmer not a Blair. As for 'no enthusiasm' that's possibly a sign of the electorate growing up a bit after the childishness of 'Boris' and Brexit. There's a new realism afoot. People no longer have their head in the clouds. They know the next few years are going to be torrid. But there's tremendous enthusiasm for the main point of the next GE, out with the Tories and in with something materially better. And maybe it will feel positively terrific when PM Starmer gets in (despite the modest grounded expectations). All is relative after all.
Yeah, but its Starmer.
Yes you just carry on underestimating him. I know you won't change your mind until he's got his spade in the ground and that's fair enough. We've had a run of terrible PMs after all. It's quite natural to be wary.
This is a quite incredible story. Inevitably the vile Grayling makes an appearance as a minor villain of the piece - do people like him go into politics with the intention of making other people's lives as bad as possible in any way they can manage?
Superb article by Simon Hattenstone.
Lazy Met Police not being thorough to find the proof of innocence on the phone they had seized, and a vindictive or knee-jerking Secretary of State for Justice preventing compensation for a Miscarriage of Justice.
I wonder if the Government have spent more opposing the compensation claim than the amount of compensation?
Sketchy Politics: mapping the next election The FT's UK political commentator Robert Shrimsley and deputy opinion editor Miranda Green map the political landscape and offer early analysis of the main parties' progress ahead of next year's expected general election. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPD7TKxb-zY
Yes. The sad thing that the Taliban government refuses to recognise the women’s team.
The Afghan women’s team all decamped to Dubai when the Taliban took over.
Not sure if they’re claiming asylum and are about to be trying out for the UAE women’s team, or if the ICC will recognise them anyway as the Afghans, even if their own “government” don’t.
£40 traded on Betfair at 229/1 600k traded 1.01 the Afghans
I was watching at 91/7, went to get the kids from play school and forgot about it. Popped back in to my office two hours later as Maxwell hit the winning runs - incredible! They couldn’t get it off the square when I was watching
£40 traded on Betfair at 229/1 600k traded 1.01 the Afghans
I was watching at 91/7, went to get the kids from play school and forgot about it. Popped back in to my office two hours later as Maxwell hit the winning runs - incredible! They couldn’t get it off the square when I was watching
Brilliant. Someone’s buying a few bottles of champagne tonight for the 230 and laying the 1.01.
I once came up with the idea of only ever betting on 1.01, and doing it often enough to double up over a weekend of sport. Then something like this happens, a reminder that sport is sport, and anything can happen.
Just caught up on the gist of the speech. Wow. Pedicabs, vaping and forcing criminals to attend sentencing. Parish pump stuff. So parochial; embarrassing for country that aspires to be a global leader.
Purely from a strategic point of view, we're approaching an election, and the government have the initiative by default - they're squandering it, and Sunak continues to be really, really bad at politics. There's no vision, no answers to the big questions. Just performative nibbling around the edges.
They're almost better than Bangladesh who have been playing test cricket since the year 2000, whereas Afghanistan have been playing it since only 2018.
The longer term trend on this is not so bad. People much less pessimistic than they were a year ago, and roughly similar to where they were just before Partygate broke out.
As 1997 showed, this doesn't necessarily translate into Tory votes, in fact people may partly feel more optimistic because they expect a change of government. I think there are a few things likely to make the public less pessimistic than in 2022:
- Inflation is now falling, albeit still high, rather than skyrocketing. Particularly noticeable in heating bills as we enter winter - For all that Sunak's government is a bit limp, it's not the same crazed chaos as under latter day Johnson or the Truss-Kwarteng fever dream - The Russia-Ukraine war was pretty terrifying when it started but is now part of the furniture
So I don't think I agree with the header. There's a short term rise in pessimism but it's well down longer term.
Yes, I agree
Also, I think the nation is finally getting over Brexit. The departure of Boris has probably drawn a lot of the poison, but I also sense a genuine feeling of: it's done, like it or not, make the best of it. Clearly a lot of people, a sizeable majority, regret it - as things stand- but I doubt half of those people want to actually revisit it
This itself removes a shadow from British politics. We are in the post-Brexit era now, with its advantages and disadvantages; turns out it wasn't the immediate sunlit uplands promised by some, but neither was it the catastrophe that broke up the UK threatened by others. Meh
Speak for yourself Buster! Brexit is the weeping sore that will continue to infect UK politics no matter how much you wish for it to stop.
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
They're almost better than Bangladesh who have been playing test cricket since the year 2000, whereas Afghanistan have been playing it since only 2018.
A distant relative, grandchild of a cousin, when serving in Helmand, took cricket gear for the Afghans. That was about 2015, I think.
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
So the Israelis somehow convinced thousands of their worst enemies to kill more than a thousand of their own people to discredit themselves as incompetent in the light of their electorate and the civilised world?
(All without a word getting out despite tens of thousands of people at least being involved).
They did this to back themselves into a corner and force themselves to gamble on a risky and counter-productive invasion of a territory they voluntarily left years ago and obviously wish was at the bottom of the sea?
I enjoyed the Dark Side of the Moon as much as the next man, but even for an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist this is several stages beyond demented.
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
He’s sadly gone the full anti-Semite, even as he insists he hasn’t.
He's also full on Putinist on the subject of Ukraine.
These wacko celebs seem to carry with them a predictable portfolio of beliefs, like they get them off the shelf from some sort of licensed purveyor of celebrity contrarianism. No doubt he has some concerns about vaccines too.
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
Len McCluskey wondered aloud along very similar lines on the telly recently.
That's the same Len McCluskey who would have been one of the UKs most influential men if his best bud, one Jeremy Corbyn, had entered No10. Just imagine, if you can.
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
I went for a walk yesterday and listened to Waters speaking to Joe Rogan from 2022. I wanted to listen to his Desert Island Discs, but the audio was too low. So this was obviously from before the Oct 7 attack. Joe rogan is controversial too I think, i had never listened to him before
I don’t know too much about the Israel/Palestine situation, except the basics. I knew Waters was considered an anti semite by some, and he addressed this by saying pretty much what Corbyn etc say; that they’re anti the Israeli govt not Jewish people. He described a concert he played in a multi cultural part of the area after cancelling one in Tel Aviv after BDS contacted him, and how there are segregated roads for non Jews/Christians. Apartheid worse than SA in the 80s according to him; apparent Mandela and Tutu agreed
He said he is just anti war, not pro one side or the other; said the same for Russia vs Ukraine. I love some of his albums with Pink Floyd, and find some of his anti war songs v moving, esp ‘When the tigers Broke free’ which describes his fathers death in WW2, and like his way with words generally on all subjects, so was interested to hear his defence of the allegations.
Seems as though he might have gone a bit far with what you’ve quoted though, or certainly he’s swimming against the media tide.
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
Lister also confirms the Cummings recollection of Johnson saying in September 2020, "Let the bodies pile high." This was, Lister says, "an unfortunate turn of phrase".
🧐At the time Boris Johnson said suggestions he had made the remarks about letting bodies pile high were “total rubbish”. His official No 10 spokesman told reporters: “This is untrue and he has denied that.”
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
He’s sadly gone the full anti-Semite, even as he insists he hasn’t.
He's also full on Putinist on the subject of Ukraine.
Apparently he wrote to Putin asking him to stop!
He wrote a letter telling Putin he could stop and keep Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk, if he pinky-promised never to invade anyone again, unlike the evil Americans:
I know Iain M Banks and his Culture series gets mentioned on here occasionally.
Mrs J got one of her Christmas presents delivered today (and she's opened it already):
"This extraordinary collection celebrates the dazzling worldbuilding of Iain M. Banks, one of the most important and influential writers in modern science fiction.
Faithfully reproduced from notebooks he kept in the 1970s and 80s, these annotated original illustrations depict the ships, habitats, geography, weapons and language of Banks' Culture series of novels in incredible detail."
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
He’s sadly gone the full anti-Semite, even as he insists he hasn’t.
He's also full on Putinist on the subject of Ukraine.
Apparently he wrote to Putin asking him to stop!
He wrote a letter telling Putin he could stop and keep Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk, if he pinky-promised never to invade anyone again, unlike the evil Americans:
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
He’s sadly gone the full anti-Semite, even as he insists he hasn’t.
He's also full on Putinist on the subject of Ukraine.
Apparently he wrote to Putin asking him to stop!
He wrote a letter telling Putin he could stop and keep Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk, if he pinky-promised never to invade anyone again, unlike the evil Americans:
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
Lister also confirms the Cummings recollection of Johnson saying in September 2020, "Let the bodies pile high." This was, Lister says, "an unfortunate turn of phrase".
🧐At the time Boris Johnson said suggestions he had made the remarks about letting bodies pile high were “total rubbish”. His official No 10 spokesman told reporters: “This is untrue and he has denied that.”
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"'Wine o'clock' culture blamed for UK women being biggest boozers in world: Shock report reveals one in four get hammered each month
Quarter of women admit having six or more alcoholic drinks on single occasion This is more than double the average rate of 12 per cent among the 33 countries"
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"'Wine o'clock' culture blamed for UK women being biggest boozers in world: Shock report reveals one in four get hammered each month
Quarter of women admit having six or more alcoholic drinks on single occasion This is more than double the average rate of 12 per cent among the 33 countries"
That's been known for quite some time, but it's so much in the background we forget how common it is. Alcohol culture is ingrained in the UK, so much it's a commonplace to be offered an alcoholic drink when entering a home. It's spread to women over the past decade or two or three, and I'm amazed by how many people are to all intents and purposes high-functioning alcoholics.
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
Lister also confirms the Cummings recollection of Johnson saying in September 2020, "Let the bodies pile high." This was, Lister says, "an unfortunate turn of phrase".
🧐At the time Boris Johnson said suggestions he had made the remarks about letting bodies pile high were “total rubbish”. His official No 10 spokesman told reporters: “This is untrue and he has denied that.”
Cummings has actually told the truth about something?
I suspect that Domski has the same attitude to truth as BoJo.
Say stuff that is convenient at the time, pretty much independent of its truth.
It's actually more annoying than people who lie all the time- at least with them, you know what to do. See the "guards of the Sapphire City" puzzles, where you ask a guard what the other guard would say.
"'Wine o'clock' culture blamed for UK women being biggest boozers in world: Shock report reveals one in four get hammered each month
Quarter of women admit having six or more alcoholic drinks on single occasion This is more than double the average rate of 12 per cent among the 33 countries"
That's been known for quite some time, but it's so much in the background we forget how common it is. Alcohol culture is ingrained in the UK, so much it's a commonplace to be offered an alcoholic drink when entering a home. It's spread to women over the past decade or two or three, and I'm amazed by how many people are to all intents and purposes high-functioning alcoholics.
Drinking heavily once a month and alcoholic are quite different things.
We do drink a fair amount in the UK but aiui we're a fair bit lower than in the mid-2000s, which was the high point (or low point, depending on your POV).
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
"'Wine o'clock' culture blamed for UK women being biggest boozers in world: Shock report reveals one in four get hammered each month
Quarter of women admit having six or more alcoholic drinks on single occasion This is more than double the average rate of 12 per cent among the 33 countries"
That's been known for quite some time, but it's so much in the background we forget how common it is. Alcohol culture is ingrained in the UK, so much it's a commonplace to be offered an alcoholic drink when entering a home. It's spread to women over the past decade or two or three, and I'm amazed by how many people are to all intents and purposes high-functioning alcoholics.
Drinking heavily once a month and alcoholic are quite different things.
We do drink a fair amount in the UK but aiui we're a fair bit lower than in the mid-2000s, which was the high point (or low point, depending on your POV).
Having a day off once a month and not being an alcoholic is entirely the same thing. Hic!
"'Wine o'clock' culture blamed for UK women being biggest boozers in world: Shock report reveals one in four get hammered each month
Quarter of women admit having six or more alcoholic drinks on single occasion This is more than double the average rate of 12 per cent among the 33 countries"
That's been known for quite some time, but it's so much in the background we forget how common it is. Alcohol culture is ingrained in the UK, so much it's a commonplace to be offered an alcoholic drink when entering a home. It's spread to women over the past decade or two or three, and I'm amazed by how many people are to all intents and purposes high-functioning alcoholics.
Yep I was a high functioning alcoholic for many years, followed by several as a low functioning one. Cured now. Age cured me.
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
Lister also confirms the Cummings recollection of Johnson saying in September 2020, "Let the bodies pile high." This was, Lister says, "an unfortunate turn of phrase".
🧐At the time Boris Johnson said suggestions he had made the remarks about letting bodies pile high were “total rubbish”. His official No 10 spokesman told reporters: “This is untrue and he has denied that.”
Cummings has actually told the truth about something?
I suspect that Domski has the same attitude to truth as BoJo.
Say stuff that is convenient at the time, pretty much independent of its truth.
It's actually more annoying than people who lie all the time- at least with them, you know what to do. See the "guards of the Sapphire City" puzzles, where you ask a guard what the other guard would say.
I think it was also in "Death to the Daleks", a mid-70s four parter with Pertwee and Sarah Jane and... goshdarn it's on iPlayer! (scampers off)
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
I went for a walk yesterday and listened to Waters speaking to Joe Rogan from 2022. I wanted to listen to his Desert Island Discs, but the audio was too low. So this was obviously from before the Oct 7 attack. Joe rogan is controversial too I think, i had never listened to him before
I don’t know too much about the Israel/Palestine situation, except the basics. I knew Waters was considered an anti semite by some, and he addressed this by saying pretty much what Corbyn etc say; that they’re anti the Israeli govt not Jewish people. He described a concert he played in a multi cultural part of the area after cancelling one in Tel Aviv after BDS contacted him, and how there are segregated roads for non Jews/Christians. Apartheid worse than SA in the 80s according to him; apparent Mandela and Tutu agreed
He said he is just anti war, not pro one side or the other; said the same for Russia vs Ukraine. I love some of his albums with Pink Floyd, and find some of his anti war songs v moving, esp ‘When the tigers Broke free’ which describes his fathers death in WW2, and like his way with words generally on all subjects, so was interested to hear his defence of the allegations.
Seems as though he might have gone a bit far with what you’ve quoted though, or certainly he’s swimming against the media tide.
He’s a mad Jew-Hater (Israel are as bad as the Nazis, sticking up an inflatable pig with a Star of David at a concert, wearing an SS uniform), and a shill for Putin.
"'Wine o'clock' culture blamed for UK women being biggest boozers in world: Shock report reveals one in four get hammered each month
Quarter of women admit having six or more alcoholic drinks on single occasion This is more than double the average rate of 12 per cent among the 33 countries"
That's been known for quite some time, but it's so much in the background we forget how common it is. Alcohol culture is ingrained in the UK, so much it's a commonplace to be offered an alcoholic drink when entering a home. It's spread to women over the past decade or two or three, and I'm amazed by how many people are to all intents and purposes high-functioning alcoholics.
Drinking heavily once a month and alcoholic are quite different things.
We do drink a fair amount in the UK but aiui we're a fair bit lower than in the mid-2000s, which was the high point (or low point, depending on your POV).
We’re also pretty much in the middle range internationally when it comes to per capita consumption.
Rates of alcohol consumption have been falling pretty much since 2005.
The younger generation are especially alcohol averse and six drinks could be one bottle of wine. Hardly Oliver Reed.
Problem drinking appears to have risen as guidelines were halved. It used to be 28 units a week. It was reduced to 14 units a week.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 14m We are now being governed by children. This is the British Home Secretary and the head of the nation’s largest police force. If Rowley and Braverman are incapable of publicly getting on the same page they should both go. And btw, where is the Prime Minister in all this.
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Where indeed? Reading the latest paper from MIT on AI security?
"'Wine o'clock' culture blamed for UK women being biggest boozers in world: Shock report reveals one in four get hammered each month
Quarter of women admit having six or more alcoholic drinks on single occasion This is more than double the average rate of 12 per cent among the 33 countries"
That's been known for quite some time, but it's so much in the background we forget how common it is. Alcohol culture is ingrained in the UK, so much it's a commonplace to be offered an alcoholic drink when entering a home. It's spread to women over the past decade or two or three, and I'm amazed by how many people are to all intents and purposes high-functioning alcoholics.
I notice it more since I gave up drinking about 18 months ago.
The longer term trend on this is not so bad. People much less pessimistic than they were a year ago, and roughly similar to where they were just before Partygate broke out.
As 1997 showed, this doesn't necessarily translate into Tory votes, in fact people may partly feel more optimistic because they expect a change of government. I think there are a few things likely to make the public less pessimistic than in 2022:
- Inflation is now falling, albeit still high, rather than skyrocketing. Particularly noticeable in heating bills as we enter winter - For all that Sunak's government is a bit limp, it's not the same crazed chaos as under latter day Johnson or the Truss-Kwarteng fever dream - The Russia-Ukraine war was pretty terrifying when it started but is now part of the furniture
So I don't think I agree with the header. There's a short term rise in pessimism but it's well down longer term.
Yes, I agree
Also, I think the nation is finally getting over Brexit. The departure of Boris has probably drawn a lot of the poison, but I also sense a genuine feeling of: it's done, like it or not, make the best of it. Clearly a lot of people, a sizeable majority, regret it - as things stand- but I doubt half of those people want to actually revisit it
This itself removes a shadow from British politics. We are in the post-Brexit era now, with its advantages and disadvantages; turns out it wasn't the immediate sunlit uplands promised by some, but neither was it the catastrophe that broke up the UK threatened by others. Meh
Speak for yourself Buster! Brexit is the weeping sore that will continue to infect UK politics no matter how much you wish for it to stop.
Brexit is like having a baby, that grows up to be Jimmy Saville.
"'Wine o'clock' culture blamed for UK women being biggest boozers in world: Shock report reveals one in four get hammered each month
Quarter of women admit having six or more alcoholic drinks on single occasion This is more than double the average rate of 12 per cent among the 33 countries"
That's been known for quite some time, but it's so much in the background we forget how common it is. Alcohol culture is ingrained in the UK, so much it's a commonplace to be offered an alcoholic drink when entering a home. It's spread to women over the past decade or two or three, and I'm amazed by how many people are to all intents and purposes high-functioning alcoholics.
I notice it more since I gave up drinking about 18 months ago.
There's nothing like giving up booze for finding out our culture is saturated in alcohol.
The longer term trend on this is not so bad. People much less pessimistic than they were a year ago, and roughly similar to where they were just before Partygate broke out.
As 1997 showed, this doesn't necessarily translate into Tory votes, in fact people may partly feel more optimistic because they expect a change of government. I think there are a few things likely to make the public less pessimistic than in 2022:
- Inflation is now falling, albeit still high, rather than skyrocketing. Particularly noticeable in heating bills as we enter winter - For all that Sunak's government is a bit limp, it's not the same crazed chaos as under latter day Johnson or the Truss-Kwarteng fever dream - The Russia-Ukraine war was pretty terrifying when it started but is now part of the furniture
So I don't think I agree with the header. There's a short term rise in pessimism but it's well down longer term.
Yes, I agree
Also, I think the nation is finally getting over Brexit. The departure of Boris has probably drawn a lot of the poison, but I also sense a genuine feeling of: it's done, like it or not, make the best of it. Clearly a lot of people, a sizeable majority, regret it - as things stand- but I doubt half of those people want to actually revisit it
This itself removes a shadow from British politics. We are in the post-Brexit era now, with its advantages and disadvantages; turns out it wasn't the immediate sunlit uplands promised by some, but neither was it the catastrophe that broke up the UK threatened by others. Meh
Speak for yourself Buster! Brexit is the weeping sore that will continue to infect UK politics no matter how much you wish for it to stop.
Brexit is like having a baby, that grows up to be Jimmy Saville.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 14m We are now being governed by children. This is the British Home Secretary and the head of the nation’s largest police force. If Rowley and Braverman are incapable of publicly getting on the same page they should both go. And btw, where is the Prime Minister in all this.
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Where indeed? Reading the latest paper from MIT on AI security?
That's an outrageous thing to say.
I've worked with many children with complex behavioural problems and never met one as repellant and ignorant as Suella Braverman.
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Either that or I frame this for eternity.
From two hours ago:
Such a pity for AFG but the moment - to win and have a real chance of semi-final - was just too big for them.
Former England captain on BBC Test Match Special
This is the greatest ODI innings ever. It might be the greatest innings of any kind ever."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/66859121
Have I crossed onto the cricket subthread by mistake?
Lazy Met Police not being thorough to find the proof of innocence on the phone they had seized, and a vindictive or knee-jerking Secretary of State for Justice preventing compensation for a Miscarriage of Justice.
I wonder if the Government have spent more opposing the compensation claim than the amount of compensation?
The FT's UK political commentator Robert Shrimsley and deputy opinion editor Miranda Green map the political landscape and offer early analysis of the main parties' progress ahead of next year's expected general election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPD7TKxb-zY
Maps and politics in a 26-minute video.
The sad thing that the Taliban government refuses to recognise the women’s team.
Not sure if they’re claiming asylum and are about to be trying out for the UAE women’s team, or if the ICC will recognise them anyway as the Afghans, even if their own “government” don’t.
600k traded 1.01 the Afghans
I was watching at 91/7, went to get the kids from play school and forgot about it. Popped back in to my office two hours later as Maxwell hit the winning runs - incredible! They couldn’t get it off the square when I was watching
I once came up with the idea of only ever betting on 1.01, and doing it often enough to double up over a weekend of sport. Then something like this happens, a reminder that sport is sport, and anything can happen.
"Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters says the world doesn’t really know “what actually happened” when Hamas unleashed their unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7, but he’s not convinced it wasn’t a “false flag operation.”"
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1721880191079690397
It's insane anyone would think that
(All without a word getting out despite tens of thousands of people at least being involved).
They did this to back themselves into a corner and force themselves to gamble on a risky and counter-productive invasion of a territory they voluntarily left years ago and obviously wish was at the bottom of the sea?
I enjoyed the Dark Side of the Moon as much as the next man, but even for an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist this is several stages beyond demented.
Can’t musicians just make music, and stay out of the extremes of politics?
That's the same Len McCluskey who would have been one of the UKs most influential men if his best bud, one Jeremy Corbyn, had entered No10. Just imagine, if you can.
I don’t know too much about the Israel/Palestine situation, except the basics. I knew Waters was considered an anti semite by some, and he addressed this by saying pretty much what Corbyn etc say; that they’re anti the Israeli govt not Jewish people. He described a concert he played in a multi cultural part of the area after cancelling one in Tel Aviv after BDS contacted him, and how there are segregated roads for non Jews/Christians. Apartheid worse than SA in the 80s according to him; apparent Mandela and Tutu agreed
He said he is just anti war, not pro one side or the other; said the same for Russia vs Ukraine. I love some of his albums with Pink Floyd, and find some of his anti war songs v moving, esp ‘When the tigers Broke free’ which describes his fathers death in WW2, and like his way with words generally on all subjects, so was interested to hear his defence of the allegations.
Seems as though he might have gone a bit far with what you’ve quoted though, or certainly he’s swimming against the media tide.
Lister also confirms the Cummings recollection of Johnson saying in September 2020, "Let the bodies pile high." This was, Lister says, "an unfortunate turn of phrase".
https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1721930133852807314
🧐At the time Boris Johnson said suggestions he had made the remarks about letting bodies pile high were “total rubbish”. His official No 10 spokesman told reporters: “This is untrue and he has denied that.”
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1721957791437369841
Angry at Thatcher for winning the Falklands and blaming the 'High Command' for his father's death as opposed to Germany, Hitler or suchlike.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/roger-waters-shares-open-letter-to-vladimir-putin-would-you-like-to-see-an-end-to-this-war-3317394
Not quite the same thing...
I know Iain M Banks and his Culture series gets mentioned on here occasionally.
Mrs J got one of her Christmas presents delivered today (and she's opened it already):
"This extraordinary collection celebrates the dazzling worldbuilding of Iain M. Banks, one of the most important and influential writers in modern science fiction.
Faithfully reproduced from notebooks he kept in the 1970s and 80s, these annotated original illustrations depict the ships, habitats, geography, weapons and language of Banks' Culture series of novels in incredible detail."
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Culture-Drawings-Iain-M-Banks/dp/0356519422/
It's quite a book.
Couldn't be bothered going out for Thai, so table for one in the hotel restaurant.
Trying to overhear conversations and failing.
How I wish, how I wish ... they wouldn't do this sort of thing.
"We don't need no educashun. We don't need no thought-control."
I wonder if the rising generation of teachers would be more to his liking?
Cummings has actually told the truth about something?
It will be interesting to see what they come back with.
Would be nice if they paid up, but would be funny if I was able to threaten them with debt collectors.
Quarter of women admit having six or more alcoholic drinks on single occasion
This is more than double the average rate of 12 per cent among the 33 countries"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12720545/Wine-oclock-UK-women-biggest-boozers-world.html
https://news.sky.com/story/pink-floyd-star-roger-waters-says-he-was-opposing-fascism-when-he-wore-nazi-inspired-uniform-12890501
Imagine my surprise.
Take them to the small claims court.
Could take a while.
Say stuff that is convenient at the time, pretty much independent of its truth.
It's actually more annoying than people who lie all the time- at least with them, you know what to do. See the "guards of the Sapphire City" puzzles, where you ask a guard what the other guard would say.
We do drink a fair amount in the UK but aiui we're a fair bit lower than in the mid-2000s, which was the high point (or low point, depending on your POV).
Rates of alcohol consumption have been falling pretty much since 2005.
The younger generation are especially alcohol averse and six drinks could be one bottle of wine. Hardly Oliver Reed.
Problem drinking appears to have risen as guidelines were halved. It used to be 28 units a week. It was reduced to 14 units a week.
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We are now being governed by children. This is the British Home Secretary and the head of the nation’s largest police force. If Rowley and Braverman are incapable of publicly getting on the same page they should both go. And btw, where is the Prime Minister in all this.
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Where indeed? Reading the latest paper from MIT on AI security?
Huge call.
Apparently though complaints to them are up 84% year on year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-67307080
If my experience of British Gas is typical, I'm not bloody surprised.
I've worked with many children with complex behavioural problems and never met one as repellant and ignorant as Suella Braverman.