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Nigelb said:

Cyclefree said:

Gillian Keegan's husband, Michael Keegan, is a crown representative to the Cabinet Office, managing cross-government relationships with BAE Systems as a strategic supplier to the Government.

He was also for 12 years from 2006 a senior executive at Fujitsu, ending up as CEO and Head of Technology Product Business, having previously spent some time working at the Post Office.

Perhaps it's just me but a senior executive from a company intimately involved in the worst miscarriage of justice in English history and one of the biggest IT fuck-ups ever would not be on my short list of persons seeking to manage relationships with anyone, let alone a strategic defence supplier.

Why Fujitsu is still getting government contracts is a mystery…

I thin the paragraphs preceding that last sentence go some way to providing the solution to that mystery.

And is it a chummy spivocracy, or a spivvy chumocracy ?
Or just a plain spivocracy.

Nigelb said:

Cyclefree said:

Gillian Keegan's husband, Michael Keegan, is a crown representative to the Cabinet Office, managing cross-government relationships with BAE Systems as a strategic supplier to the Government.

He was also for 12 years from 2006 a senior executive at Fujitsu, ending up as CEO and Head of Technology Product Business, having previously spent some time working at the Post Office.

Perhaps it's just me but a senior executive from a company intimately involved in the worst miscarriage of justice in English history and one of the biggest IT fuck-ups ever would not be on my short list of persons seeking to manage relationships with anyone, let alone a strategic defence supplier.

Why Fujitsu is still getting government contracts is a mystery…

I thin the paragraphs preceding that last sentence go some way to providing the solution to that mystery.

And is it a chummy spivocracy, or a spivvy chumocracy ?
Or just a plain spivocracy.

Carnyx said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Carnyx said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

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Carnyx said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

MoonRabbit said:

HYUFD said:

MoonRabbit said:

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

This chyron probably wasn’t part of the No 10 back-to-school media strategy



https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1698692502906122732

Meanwhile, stand by for the Mail to pin the whole fiasco on Remote Working;

Timeline:

DfE became aware of the RAAC issue early in August

Keegan instructed officials to investigate

While that work was ongoing, on August 25th she flew to Spain to celebrate her father’s birthday, staying in a holiday home she owns there

While she was in Spain, she worked on RAAC via video conferencing each day, her office said

This was equivalent to working from home, just abroad, an ally says

She led ‘gold’ calls, attended by ministers Nick Gibb and Baroness Barran back home in London

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1698683447022117024?s=20

It's not fair to blame GK for any of this. But since when has politics been fair?

A scape goat is going to need to be sacrificed soon, to take the heat off Rishi.

It will be bad news for Labour and the Opposition parties if Concrete Crisis brings down Rishi Sunak. A replacement as PM and HomeSec from moderate wing the party (Hunt PM, Penny HomSec) and 12 months talking about tackling unfair privilege in country today and being a government of aspiration and reform would save 50-100 Tory seats imo.

It’s funny how Concrete Crisis can work out so good for the Tories, if it helps them replace Sunak.

Remainer Hunt replacing Leaver Sunak as Tory leader and PM guarantees a doubling of the RefUK vote and risks near wipeout for the Tories

This one post from you sums up your whole mistake right now HY.

In this electoral situation you arguing Tories need to be Reform and Brexit fixated.

I am explained the exact opposite to you, a position you should adopt. Chasing Grey Wall, Brexit voter and Reform voter gets you 28% tops at next General Election. You are actively ushering in a political sea change by decimating your return of MPs.

50-100 MPs can be saved, a far better Proportion of vote by going in the opposite direction. So many leave voters want a sane, convincing safe pair of hands PM right now, reform minded voters want a Tory HomSec who can get a grip, and there are millions of voters you are just handing to Labour, who would be just as happy to keep in an aspirational Tory government intent on reform.

You are misreading the political mood of the country. The Tories can be in a much better place switching to aspiration and reform, rather than chase UKIP and Reform voters.

Completely agreed!

Brexit is done, finished with. Anyone still obsessing over it, either way, is an absolute loon and should be disgarded.

What matters is aspiration and reform.

What matters more is that the Tories have abandoned aspiration and reform.

Anyone who regards Brexit as finished at a time when major customs procedures have to be established, with unknown effects still to be seen, isn't showing the most elevated critical faculty, on the other hand.

Why?

The procedures don't have to be established, that's kind of the point of being an independent, sovereign nation - we choose what procedures we have in place, nobody else.

If the procedures don't make sense for us, then we shouldn't have them.

They do need to be there. HMG admits that. They also, effectively, admit they've screwed up by admitting repeated delays.

You don't admit messing up and delaying something you [edit] don't think you need.

Why do they need to be there?

I'd rather the Government do the stuff it needs to be doing, like ensuring buildings don't fall on kids, reforms to boost aspiration and the economy than dicking around with this nonsense.

Just recognise European standards as equivalent to our own, even if they're not the same, and wave them through. No problems with that.

The point is - the Government themselves plainly think Brexit is not a done deal, whatevery they claim in public. You may do so, but HMG seem to beg to differ from you. I can't possibly speculate on the relative intelligences involved.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paging HYUFD.

Starmer leads Sunak by 17%, tying his largest ever lead over Sunak.

At this moment, which of the following do Britons think would be the better Prime Minister for the UK? (3 September)

Keir Starmer 46% (+2)
Rishi Sunak 29% (-5)

Changes +/- 27 August

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1698730191906889999

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cyclefree said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well this tweet from 2019 is going viral, Starmer has appointed a bigot as Shadow Justice Secretary.




https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1102715728489263116

Don't be silly. All education is age appropriate.

What is being objected to here and whether it was or was not age appropriate I cannot say. But the idea that the age of the child should not be taken into account when deciding on content and what is told to them and how does not automatically make one a bigot.

This is the context.

A primary school that taught pupils about homosexuality as part of a programme to challenge homophobia has stopped the lessons after hundreds of children were withdrawn by parents in protest.

Parkfield community school in Saltley, Birmingham, has been the scene of weekly protests over the lessons, which parents claim are promoting gay and transgender lifestyles.

In a letter to parents, the school said: “Up to the end of this term, we will not be delivering any No Outsiders lessons in our long-term year curriculum plan, as this half term has already been blocked for religious education (RE). Equality assemblies will continue as normal and our welcoming No Outsiders ethos will be there for all.”

On Friday about 600 Muslim children, aged between four and 11, were withdrawn from the school for the day, parents said. The school would not confirm the number.

The school made clear that it had never intended to continue the No Outsiders lessons this half term and confirmed that the lessons would resume only after a full consultation with every parent.

Last month, the Guardian reported that the assistant headteacher of the school was forced to defend the lessons after 400 predominantly Muslim parents signed a petition calling for them to be dropped from the curriculum.

Andrew Moffat, who was awarded an MBE for his work in equality education, said he was threatened and targeted via a leaflet campaign after the school piloted the No Outsiders programme. Its ethos is to promote LGBT equality and challenge homophobia in primary schools.

Moffat, the author of Challenging Homophobia in Primary Schools who is currently shortlisted for a world’s best teacher award, resigned from another primary school – Chilwell Croft academy, also in Birmingham – after a similar dispute with Muslim and Christian parents.

Parents have been protesting outside the Saltley school, which is rated as outstanding by Ofsted. At one protest they held signs that read “say no to promoting of homosexuality and LGBT ways of life to our children”, “stop exploiting children’s innocence”, and “education not indoctrination”.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/04/birmingham-school-stops-lgbt-lessons-after-parent-protests

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paging HYUFD.

Starmer leads Sunak by 17%, tying his largest ever lead over Sunak.

At this moment, which of the following do Britons think would be the better Prime Minister for the UK? (3 September)

Keir Starmer 46% (+2)
Rishi Sunak 29% (-5)

Changes +/- 27 August

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1698730191906889999

Carnyx said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paging HYUFD.

Starmer leads Sunak by 17%, tying his largest ever lead over Sunak.

At this moment, which of the following do Britons think would be the better Prime Minister for the UK? (3 September)

Keir Starmer 46% (+2)
Rishi Sunak 29% (-5)

Changes +/- 27 August

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1698730191906889999

Ah, but I'm sure HYUFD will point out it's "really" 39% for Mr Sunak if one ignores the DKs. (Though that also puts SKS on 61%.)

Cyclefree said:

Nigelb said:

Cyclefree said:

Gillian Keegan's husband, Michael Keegan, is a crown representative to the Cabinet Office, managing cross-government relationships with BAE Systems as a strategic supplier to the Government.

He was also for 12 years from 2006 a senior executive at Fujitsu, ending up as CEO and Head of Technology Product Business, having previously spent some time working at the Post Office.

Perhaps it's just me but a senior executive from a company intimately involved in the worst miscarriage of justice in English history and one of the biggest IT fuck-ups ever would not be on my short list of persons seeking to manage relationships with anyone, let alone a strategic defence supplier.

Why Fujitsu is still getting government contracts is a mystery…

I thin the paragraphs preceding that last sentence go some way to providing the solution to that mystery.

And is it a chummy spivocracy, or a spivvy chumocracy ?
Or just a plain spivocracy.

I have read that Blair put pressure on the Post Office to continue with Horizon even when its faults were first noticed.

Arthur Andersen were kicked out of government work because of the De Lorean fiasco. But here Fujitsu fuck up so badly that people commit suicide and yet they sail merrily on.

The Post Office offers an 18% bonus to lawyers joining it to work on the Horizon inquiry despite previously publicly saying that no bonuses would be paid for inquiry work.

The bare faced lying is bad enough. The gigantic fuck you to the rest of us is even worse.

Why aren't people angry about this? I have recently tackled 2 Tory MPs who I met (they were out meeting voters) about precisely this just so that they know that someone is bothered about this stuff, even though none of this affects me personally.

Anabobazina said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paging HYUFD.

Starmer leads Sunak by 17%, tying his largest ever lead over Sunak.

At this moment, which of the following do Britons think would be the better Prime Minister for the UK? (3 September)

Keir Starmer 46% (+2)
Rishi Sunak 29% (-5)

Changes +/- 27 August

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1698730191906889999

Corbyn would be 45pts ahead

Cyclefree said:

Nigelb said:

Cyclefree said:

Gillian Keegan's husband, Michael Keegan, is a crown representative to the Cabinet Office, managing cross-government relationships with BAE Systems as a strategic supplier to the Government.

He was also for 12 years from 2006 a senior executive at Fujitsu, ending up as CEO and Head of Technology Product Business, having previously spent some time working at the Post Office.

Perhaps it's just me but a senior executive from a company intimately involved in the worst miscarriage of justice in English history and one of the biggest IT fuck-ups ever would not be on my short list of persons seeking to manage relationships with anyone, let alone a strategic defence supplier.

Why Fujitsu is still getting government contracts is a mystery…

I thin the paragraphs preceding that last sentence go some way to providing the solution to that mystery.

And is it a chummy spivocracy, or a spivvy chumocracy ?
Or just a plain spivocracy.

I have read that Blair put pressure on the Post Office to continue with Horizon even when its faults were first noticed.

Arthur Andersen were kicked out of government work because of the De Lorean fiasco. But here Fujitsu fuck up so badly that people commit suicide and yet they sail merrily on.

The Post Office offers an 18% bonus to lawyers joining it to work on the Horizon inquiry despite previously publicly saying that no bonuses would be paid for inquiry work.

The bare faced lying is bad enough. The gigantic fuck you to the rest of us is even worse.

Why aren't people angry about this? I have recently tackled 2 Tory MPs who I met (they were out meeting voters) about precisely this just so that they know that someone is bothered about this stuff, even though none of this affects me personally.

Malmesbury said:

Anabobazina said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paging HYUFD.

Starmer leads Sunak by 17%, tying his largest ever lead over Sunak.

At this moment, which of the following do Britons think would be the better Prime Minister for the UK? (3 September)

Keir Starmer 46% (+2)
Rishi Sunak 29% (-5)

Changes +/- 27 August

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1698730191906889999

Corbyn would be 45pts ahead

145pts, shirley?

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

eristdoof said:

Anabobazina said:

Sandpit said:

Alanbrooke said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Anabobazina said:

boulay said:

For those who don’t know what a passbook is here is mine from 1985 which my mother found the other week in some of my late old man’s belongings as an illustration.

And this is what we are expecting banks to maintain?

I've heard it all now.

What the hell is the frigging point of one of those in this day and age?

Seems even more pointless than chequebooks.

Never had one.

Its an age and wealth thing.

None of my kids carry cash, I carry cash and cards. They slag me off for carrying cash, bur very so often they get caught short and I dont.

The better off are likely to use e payment, the less well off less so.

Cash will probably have its day but until we have covered access to all I see no reason to accelerate it,

Do parents these days give their teenage kids pocket money as a bank transfer?

Any money my son earns through doing work around the house gets paid by bank transfer. He has even asked gifts to be paid by BACS (from relatives etc) as cash just burns a hole in his pocket. He's found saving much easier since we abolished cash entirely.

That's interesting, I always assumed that the problem is the otherway round. You have much less of a feeling how much you are spending when paying with a card or an app, which i would have thought easily leads to overspending. I was in the UK last month and it was annoying how many barstaff would hold the card reader with the amount being charged facing them, so I had to stand on tiptoes, lean over and read the price upside down.

I guess the reality is some people have more of a problem overspending with cash in the pocket and others more of a problem overspending with cashless payment.

I think my kids are a similar age to OLB's - and their issue with cash is keeping it in one place. Inevitably some of the abrogate the responsibility and hand their money over to me to keep in my wallet until they want to spend some of it, which inevitably gets muddled with my money, and I have to keep a running mental tally of how much of each daughter's money is mine. And that's without all the money scattered around their room in various piggy banks, money boxes etc which they have acquired over the years. It was a great relief when they started using cards.

Another big problem with cash, right there. It really is a deeply flawed mode of tender.

Cash isn't 'deeply flawed', just as a notepad and pen isn't deeply flawed despite the presence of word processing software. Cash, cards, phones (I guess) - all have their advantages and drawbacks.
Despite the inconveniences above, I'm not going to be giving my 8 year old a bank card, because she will lose it.

It is deeply flawed, that's why lots of people simply stopped using it many years ago and have never looked back.

Electronic payments: The buyer taps his phone, the money goes straight into the retailer's account.

Cash: The buyer takes his card to a machine, converting perfectly functional, electronic money into slips of paper and shards of metal that he now has to carry about his person. These odd scraps of material are then offered to a retailer who has to find more scraps of material to give back to the buyer as change. If the retailer lacks the correct composition of material, the transaction fails. Assuming he has the correct composition, the retailer now has to store these scraps of material in a secure place, at cost and risk to himself, before finding additional time in his working week to transport said scraps of material to a place, probably several miles away, so he can given them to a lady in a pin-striped skirt who doesn't want them either. Said lady has to them put them in a secure place, at cost and risk to her own business, so they can be transported at even more cost to her business to an even more secure place, at which point she is able to convert them back into electronic money for the retailer, who could have just been paid directly in electronic money in the first place.

Electronic payments: reliant on thr tech working.
Cash: not reliant on the tech working.

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

eristdoof said:

Anabobazina said:

Sandpit said:

Alanbrooke said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Anabobazina said:

boulay said:

For those who don’t know what a passbook is here is mine from 1985 which my mother found the other week in some of my late old man’s belongings as an illustration.

And this is what we are expecting banks to maintain?

I've heard it all now.

What the hell is the frigging point of one of those in this day and age?

Seems even more pointless than chequebooks.

Never had one.

Its an age and wealth thing.

None of my kids carry cash, I carry cash and cards. They slag me off for carrying cash, bur very so often they get caught short and I dont.

The better off are likely to use e payment, the less well off less so.

Cash will probably have its day but until we have covered access to all I see no reason to accelerate it,

Do parents these days give their teenage kids pocket money as a bank transfer?

Any money my son earns through doing work around the house gets paid by bank transfer. He has even asked gifts to be paid by BACS (from relatives etc) as cash just burns a hole in his pocket. He's found saving much easier since we abolished cash entirely.

That's interesting, I always assumed that the problem is the otherway round. You have much less of a feeling how much you are spending when paying with a card or an app, which i would have thought easily leads to overspending. I was in the UK last month and it was annoying how many barstaff would hold the card reader with the amount being charged facing them, so I had to stand on tiptoes, lean over and read the price upside down.

I guess the reality is some people have more of a problem overspending with cash in the pocket and others more of a problem overspending with cashless payment.

I think my kids are a similar age to OLB's - and their issue with cash is keeping it in one place. Inevitably some of the abrogate the responsibility and hand their money over to me to keep in my wallet until they want to spend some of it, which inevitably gets muddled with my money, and I have to keep a running mental tally of how much of each daughter's money is mine. And that's without all the money scattered around their room in various piggy banks, money boxes etc which they have acquired over the years. It was a great relief when they started using cards.

Another big problem with cash, right there. It really is a deeply flawed mode of tender.

Cash isn't 'deeply flawed', just as a notepad and pen isn't deeply flawed despite the presence of word processing software. Cash, cards, phones (I guess) - all have their advantages and drawbacks.
Despite the inconveniences above, I'm not going to be giving my 8 year old a bank card, because she will lose it.

It is deeply flawed, that's why lots of people simply stopped using it many years ago and have never looked back.

Electronic payments: The buyer taps his phone, the money goes straight into the retailer's account.

Cash: The buyer takes his card to a machine, converting perfectly functional, electronic money into slips of paper and shards of metal that he now has to carry about his person. These odd scraps of material are then offered to a retailer who has to find more scraps of material to give back to the buyer as change. If the retailer lacks the correct composition of material, the transaction fails. Assuming he has the correct composition, the retailer now has to store these scraps of material in a secure place, at cost and risk to himself, before finding additional time in his working week to transport said scraps of material to a place, probably several miles away, so he can given them to a lady in a pin-striped skirt who doesn't want them either. Said lady has to them put them in a secure place, at cost and risk to her own business, so they can be transported at even more cost to her business to an even more secure place, at which point she is able to convert them back into electronic money for the retailer, who could have just been paid directly in electronic money in the first place.

Electronic payments: reliant on thr tech working.
Cash: not reliant on the tech working.

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

eristdoof said:

Anabobazina said:

Sandpit said:

Alanbrooke said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Anabobazina said:

boulay said:

For those who don’t know what a passbook is here is mine from 1985 which my mother found the other week in some of my late old man’s belongings as an illustration.

And this is what we are expecting banks to maintain?

I've heard it all now.

What the hell is the frigging point of one of those in this day and age?

Seems even more pointless than chequebooks.

Never had one.

Its an age and wealth thing.

None of my kids carry cash, I carry cash and cards. They slag me off for carrying cash, bur very so often they get caught short and I dont.

The better off are likely to use e payment, the less well off less so.

Cash will probably have its day but until we have covered access to all I see no reason to accelerate it,

Do parents these days give their teenage kids pocket money as a bank transfer?

Any money my son earns through doing work around the house gets paid by bank transfer. He has even asked gifts to be paid by BACS (from relatives etc) as cash just burns a hole in his pocket. He's found saving much easier since we abolished cash entirely.

That's interesting, I always assumed that the problem is the otherway round. You have much less of a feeling how much you are spending when paying with a card or an app, which i would have thought easily leads to overspending. I was in the UK last month and it was annoying how many barstaff would hold the card reader with the amount being charged facing them, so I had to stand on tiptoes, lean over and read the price upside down.

I guess the reality is some people have more of a problem overspending with cash in the pocket and others more of a problem overspending with cashless payment.

I think my kids are a similar age to OLB's - and their issue with cash is keeping it in one place. Inevitably some of the abrogate the responsibility and hand their money over to me to keep in my wallet until they want to spend some of it, which inevitably gets muddled with my money, and I have to keep a running mental tally of how much of each daughter's money is mine. And that's without all the money scattered around their room in various piggy banks, money boxes etc which they have acquired over the years. It was a great relief when they started using cards.

Another big problem with cash, right there. It really is a deeply flawed mode of tender.

Cash isn't 'deeply flawed', just as a notepad and pen isn't deeply flawed despite the presence of word processing software. Cash, cards, phones (I guess) - all have their advantages and drawbacks.
Despite the inconveniences above, I'm not going to be giving my 8 year old a bank card, because she will lose it.

It is deeply flawed, that's why lots of people simply stopped using it many years ago and have never looked back.

Electronic payments: The buyer taps his phone, the money goes straight into the retailer's account.

Cash: The buyer takes his card to a machine, converting perfectly functional, electronic money into slips of paper and shards of metal that he now has to carry about his person. These odd scraps of material are then offered to a retailer who has to find more scraps of material to give back to the buyer as change. If the retailer lacks the correct composition of material, the transaction fails. Assuming he has the correct composition, the retailer now has to store these scraps of material in a secure place, at cost and risk to himself, before finding additional time in his working week to transport said scraps of material to a place, probably several miles away, so he can given them to a lady in a pin-striped skirt who doesn't want them either. Said lady has to them put them in a secure place, at cost and risk to her own business, so they can be transported at even more cost to her business to an even more secure place, at which point she is able to convert them back into electronic money for the retailer, who could have just been paid directly in electronic money in the first place.

Malmesbury said:

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Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

eristdoof said:

Anabobazina said:

Sandpit said:

Alanbrooke said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Anabobazina said:

boulay said:

For those who don’t know what a passbook is here is mine from 1985 which my mother found the other week in some of my late old man’s belongings as an illustration.

And this is what we are expecting banks to maintain?

I've heard it all now.

What the hell is the frigging point of one of those in this day and age?

Seems even more pointless than chequebooks.

Never had one.

Its an age and wealth thing.

None of my kids carry cash, I carry cash and cards. They slag me off for carrying cash, bur very so often they get caught short and I dont.

The better off are likely to use e payment, the less well off less so.

Cash will probably have its day but until we have covered access to all I see no reason to accelerate it,

Do parents these days give their teenage kids pocket money as a bank transfer?

Any money my son earns through doing work around the house gets paid by bank transfer. He has even asked gifts to be paid by BACS (from relatives etc) as cash just burns a hole in his pocket. He's found saving much easier since we abolished cash entirely.

That's interesting, I always assumed that the problem is the otherway round. You have much less of a feeling how much you are spending when paying with a card or an app, which i would have thought easily leads to overspending. I was in the UK last month and it was annoying how many barstaff would hold the card reader with the amount being charged facing them, so I had to stand on tiptoes, lean over and read the price upside down.

I guess the reality is some people have more of a problem overspending with cash in the pocket and others more of a problem overspending with cashless payment.

I think my kids are a similar age to OLB's - and their issue with cash is keeping it in one place. Inevitably some of the abrogate the responsibility and hand their money over to me to keep in my wallet until they want to spend some of it, which inevitably gets muddled with my money, and I have to keep a running mental tally of how much of each daughter's money is mine. And that's without all the money scattered around their room in various piggy banks, money boxes etc which they have acquired over the years. It was a great relief when they started using cards.

Another big problem with cash, right there. It really is a deeply flawed mode of tender.

Cash isn't 'deeply flawed', just as a notepad and pen isn't deeply flawed despite the presence of word processing software. Cash, cards, phones (I guess) - all have their advantages and drawbacks.
Despite the inconveniences above, I'm not going to be giving my 8 year old a bank card, because she will lose it.

It is deeply flawed, that's why lots of people simply stopped using it many years ago and have never looked back.

Electronic payments: The buyer taps his phone, the money goes straight into the retailer's account.

Cash: The buyer takes his card to a machine, converting perfectly functional, electronic money into slips of paper and shards of metal that he now has to carry about his person. These odd scraps of material are then offered to a retailer who has to find more scraps of material to give back to the buyer as change. If the retailer lacks the correct composition of material, the transaction fails. Assuming he has the correct composition, the retailer now has to store these scraps of material in a secure place, at cost and risk to himself, before finding additional time in his working week to transport said scraps of material to a place, probably several miles away, so he can given them to a lady in a pin-striped skirt who doesn't want them either. Said lady has to them put them in a secure place, at cost and risk to her own business, so they can be transported at even more cost to her business to an even more secure place, at which point she is able to convert them back into electronic money for the retailer, who could have just been paid directly in electronic money in the first place.

Electronic payments: reliant on thr tech working.
Cash: not reliant on the tech working.

Most cash tills are very technology dependent these days. And if the interwebs are down, good luck getting the bank to take cash in.

Cookie said:

Malmesbury said:

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Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

eristdoof said:

Anabobazina said:

Sandpit said:

Alanbrooke said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Anabobazina said:

boulay said:

For those who don’t know what a passbook is here is mine from 1985 which my mother found the other week in some of my late old man’s belongings as an illustration.

And this is what we are expecting banks to maintain?

I've heard it all now.

What the hell is the frigging point of one of those in this day and age?

Seems even more pointless than chequebooks.

Never had one.

Its an age and wealth thing.

None of my kids carry cash, I carry cash and cards. They slag me off for carrying cash, bur very so often they get caught short and I dont.

The better off are likely to use e payment, the less well off less so.

Cash will probably have its day but until we have covered access to all I see no reason to accelerate it,

Do parents these days give their teenage kids pocket money as a bank transfer?

Any money my son earns through doing work around the house gets paid by bank transfer. He has even asked gifts to be paid by BACS (from relatives etc) as cash just burns a hole in his pocket. He's found saving much easier since we abolished cash entirely.

That's interesting, I always assumed that the problem is the otherway round. You have much less of a feeling how much you are spending when paying with a card or an app, which i would have thought easily leads to overspending. I was in the UK last month and it was annoying how many barstaff would hold the card reader with the amount being charged facing them, so I had to stand on tiptoes, lean over and read the price upside down.

I guess the reality is some people have more of a problem overspending with cash in the pocket and others more of a problem overspending with cashless payment.

I think my kids are a similar age to OLB's - and their issue with cash is keeping it in one place. Inevitably some of the abrogate the responsibility and hand their money over to me to keep in my wallet until they want to spend some of it, which inevitably gets muddled with my money, and I have to keep a running mental tally of how much of each daughter's money is mine. And that's without all the money scattered around their room in various piggy banks, money boxes etc which they have acquired over the years. It was a great relief when they started using cards.

Another big problem with cash, right there. It really is a deeply flawed mode of tender.

Cash isn't 'deeply flawed', just as a notepad and pen isn't deeply flawed despite the presence of word processing software. Cash, cards, phones (I guess) - all have their advantages and drawbacks.
Despite the inconveniences above, I'm not going to be giving my 8 year old a bank card, because she will lose it.

It is deeply flawed, that's why lots of people simply stopped using it many years ago and have never looked back.

Electronic payments: The buyer taps his phone, the money goes straight into the retailer's account.

Cash: The buyer takes his card to a machine, converting perfectly functional, electronic money into slips of paper and shards of metal that he now has to carry about his person. These odd scraps of material are then offered to a retailer who has to find more scraps of material to give back to the buyer as change. If the retailer lacks the correct composition of material, the transaction fails. Assuming he has the correct composition, the retailer now has to store these scraps of material in a secure place, at cost and risk to himself, before finding additional time in his working week to transport said scraps of material to a place, probably several miles away, so he can given them to a lady in a pin-striped skirt who doesn't want them either. Said lady has to them put them in a secure place, at cost and risk to her own business, so they can be transported at even more cost to her business to an even more secure place, at which point she is able to convert them back into electronic money for the retailer, who could have just been paid directly in electronic money in the first place.

Electronic payments: reliant on thr tech working.
Cash: not reliant on the tech working.

Most cash tills are very technology dependent these days. And if the interwebs are down, good luck getting the bank to take cash in.

I've never had anyone unable to takemy cash because of a blip.
And I'm not denying, by the way, that electronic payments have lots of advantages. I just find the urge to dismiss cash entirely a little odd.
FWIW, I'm often surprised by the number of people at the supermarket who are ahead of you in the queue and who wave you past because they're waiting for one of the self-checkouts which take cash. I have almost never used cash in the supermarket, but it still seems 50/50 in Tesco in South Manchester.

twistedfirestopper3 said:

It looks like the Great House Price Slide is gathering pace. Today has seen quite a few of the houses at the top end of our budget all getting reduced on RightMove/Zoopla, some by 15%. We actually nearly put an offer on one of them last month that wasn't far off what it's up for now but it was just too close to a busy, noisy road. Glad we didn't now!
It's made me even more convinced to wait a while longer. I feel like a vulture waiting for a wildebeest to kark it, but them's the breaks.

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

eristdoof said:

Anabobazina said:

Sandpit said:

Alanbrooke said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Anabobazina said:

boulay said:

For those who don’t know what a passbook is here is mine from 1985 which my mother found the other week in some of my late old man’s belongings as an illustration.

And this is what we are expecting banks to maintain?

I've heard it all now.

What the hell is the frigging point of one of those in this day and age?

Seems even more pointless than chequebooks.

Never had one.

Its an age and wealth thing.

None of my kids carry cash, I carry cash and cards. They slag me off for carrying cash, bur very so often they get caught short and I dont.

The better off are likely to use e payment, the less well off less so.

Cash will probably have its day but until we have covered access to all I see no reason to accelerate it,

Do parents these days give their teenage kids pocket money as a bank transfer?

Any money my son earns through doing work around the house gets paid by bank transfer. He has even asked gifts to be paid by BACS (from relatives etc) as cash just burns a hole in his pocket. He's found saving much easier since we abolished cash entirely.

That's interesting, I always assumed that the problem is the otherway round. You have much less of a feeling how much you are spending when paying with a card or an app, which i would have thought easily leads to overspending. I was in the UK last month and it was annoying how many barstaff would hold the card reader with the amount being charged facing them, so I had to stand on tiptoes, lean over and read the price upside down.

I guess the reality is some people have more of a problem overspending with cash in the pocket and others more of a problem overspending with cashless payment.

I think my kids are a similar age to OLB's - and their issue with cash is keeping it in one place. Inevitably some of the abrogate the responsibility and hand their money over to me to keep in my wallet until they want to spend some of it, which inevitably gets muddled with my money, and I have to keep a running mental tally of how much of each daughter's money is mine. And that's without all the money scattered around their room in various piggy banks, money boxes etc which they have acquired over the years. It was a great relief when they started using cards.

Another big problem with cash, right there. It really is a deeply flawed mode of tender.

Cash isn't 'deeply flawed', just as a notepad and pen isn't deeply flawed despite the presence of word processing software. Cash, cards, phones (I guess) - all have their advantages and drawbacks.
Despite the inconveniences above, I'm not going to be giving my 8 year old a bank card, because she will lose it.

It is deeply flawed, that's why lots of people simply stopped using it many years ago and have never looked back.

Electronic payments: The buyer taps his phone, the money goes straight into the retailer's account.

Cash: The buyer takes his card to a machine, converting perfectly functional, electronic money into slips of paper and shards of metal that he now has to carry about his person. These odd scraps of material are then offered to a retailer who has to find more scraps of material to give back to the buyer as change. If the retailer lacks the correct composition of material, the transaction fails. Assuming he has the correct composition, the retailer now has to store these scraps of material in a secure place, at cost and risk to himself, before finding additional time in his working week to transport said scraps of material to a place, probably several miles away, so he can given them to a lady in a pin-striped skirt who doesn't want them either. Said lady has to them put them in a secure place, at cost and risk to her own business, so they can be transported at even more cost to her business to an even more secure place, at which point she is able to convert them back into electronic money for the retailer, who could have just been paid directly in electronic money in the first place.

Electronic payments: reliant on thr tech working.
Cash: not reliant on the tech working.

Fake news.

I was left high and dry in Southeast Europe recently because the only ATM in the resort I was staying in had conked out, and the restaurant I was eating in took only cash (like lots of the places there, it was a real step back in time). It was a right palaver, which required me to ask a taxi to park illegally at the next resort while I literally legged it in 30c heat to another cashpoint. Cash is an antiquated system that – ironically – relies far too heavily on machines.

IanB2 said:

Mozartballs. Who needs them?

Leon said:

Picture quiz!

My digs for the night

But where am I?

Anabobazina said:

FF43 said:

Anabobazina said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Anabobazina said:

boulay said:

For those who don’t know what a passbook is here is mine from 1985 which my mother found the other week in some of my late old man’s belongings as an illustration.

And this is what we are expecting banks to maintain?

I've heard it all now.

What the hell is the frigging point of one of those in this day and age?

Seems even more pointless than chequebooks.

Never had one.

Absolutely – neither you nor probably the majority of the population. Yet the PB Cash Nostalgics will seemingly leave no stone unturned in backing lost causes.

I admit I almost entirely use card or bank transfer to pay these days, but I don't understand why people are outraged by other people using cash and want to deny them the option to do so.

Not sure why you are aiming that at me? I have said repeatedly that I wouldn't ban cash.

It is the PB Cash Fetishists that want to do the banning – many on here regularly call for cashless retail to be banned (despite said retailers and their customers being happy with it).

Cookie said:

Leon said:

Picture quiz!

My digs for the night

But where am I?

I was hoping you'd turn up with a distraction from the cash argument.

Looks not unlike Durham.

Leon said:

Picture quiz!

My digs for the night

But where am I?

Leon said:

Picture quiz!

My digs for the night

But where am I?

bigjohnowls said:

2020 SKS says "no stepping back from our core principles"

2023 SKS Labour don't have any core principles.

bigjohnowls said:

2020 "no stepping back from our core principles"
2023 "we will step back from all of our core principles’
GE 2024 Vote for us we have principles

Leon said:

Ludlow it is! A foaming pint of virtual perry for @Carnyx and a faux thimble of Ludlow gin for @boulay

What a stunning little town

My hotel in the first pic is Dinham Weir House

Here’s my room in case anyone is scared that I’m suffering unduly on my Official Gazette Welsh Marches Road Trip

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bigjohnowls said:

2020 "no stepping back from our core principles"



2023 "we will step back from all of our core principles’



GE 2024 Vote for us we have principles

BJO = Green Tory... green with envy regarding the Labour opinion poll ratings versus the Greens!

bigjohnowls said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bigjohnowls said:

2020 "no stepping back from our core principles"



2023 "we will step back from all of our core principles’



GE 2024 Vote for us we have principles

BJO = Green Tory... green with envy regarding the Labour opinion poll ratings versus the Greens!

My Valentines Poem to Sunil

Tories are Red Tories are Blue

You can vote for either they are Tories like you.

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

Cookie said:

eristdoof said:

Anabobazina said:

Sandpit said:

Alanbrooke said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Anabobazina said:

boulay said:

For those who don’t know what a passbook is here is mine from 1985 which my mother found the other week in some of my late old man’s belongings as an illustration.

And this is what we are expecting banks to maintain?

I've heard it all now.

What the hell is the frigging point of one of those in this day and age?

Seems even more pointless than chequebooks.

Never had one.

Its an age and wealth thing.

None of my kids carry cash, I carry cash and cards. They slag me off for carrying cash, bur very so often they get caught short and I dont.

The better off are likely to use e payment, the less well off less so.

Cash will probably have its day but until we have covered access to all I see no reason to accelerate it,

Do parents these days give their teenage kids pocket money as a bank transfer?

Any money my son earns through doing work around the house gets paid by bank transfer. He has even asked gifts to be paid by BACS (from relatives etc) as cash just burns a hole in his pocket. He's found saving much easier since we abolished cash entirely.

That's interesting, I always assumed that the problem is the otherway round. You have much less of a feeling how much you are spending when paying with a card or an app, which i would have thought easily leads to overspending. I was in the UK last month and it was annoying how many barstaff would hold the card reader with the amount being charged facing them, so I had to stand on tiptoes, lean over and read the price upside down.

I guess the reality is some people have more of a problem overspending with cash in the pocket and others more of a problem overspending with cashless payment.

I think my kids are a similar age to OLB's - and their issue with cash is keeping it in one place. Inevitably some of the abrogate the responsibility and hand their money over to me to keep in my wallet until they want to spend some of it, which inevitably gets muddled with my money, and I have to keep a running mental tally of how much of each daughter's money is mine. And that's without all the money scattered around their room in various piggy banks, money boxes etc which they have acquired over the years. It was a great relief when they started using cards.

Another big problem with cash, right there. It really is a deeply flawed mode of tender.

Cash isn't 'deeply flawed', just as a notepad and pen isn't deeply flawed despite the presence of word processing software. Cash, cards, phones (I guess) - all have their advantages and drawbacks.
Despite the inconveniences above, I'm not going to be giving my 8 year old a bank card, because she will lose it.

It is deeply flawed, that's why lots of people simply stopped using it many years ago and have never looked back.

Electronic payments: The buyer taps his phone, the money goes straight into the retailer's account.

Cash: The buyer takes his card to a machine, converting perfectly functional, electronic money into slips of paper and shards of metal that he now has to carry about his person. These odd scraps of material are then offered to a retailer who has to find more scraps of material to give back to the buyer as change. If the retailer lacks the correct composition of material, the transaction fails. Assuming he has the correct composition, the retailer now has to store these scraps of material in a secure place, at cost and risk to himself, before finding additional time in his working week to transport said scraps of material to a place, probably several miles away, so he can given them to a lady in a pin-striped skirt who doesn't want them either. Said lady has to them put them in a secure place, at cost and risk to her own business, so they can be transported at even more cost to her business to an even more secure place, at which point she is able to convert them back into electronic money for the retailer, who could have just been paid directly in electronic money in the first place.

Electronic payments: reliant on thr tech working.
Cash: not reliant on the tech working.

Fake news.

I was left high and dry in Southeast Europe recently because the only ATM in the resort I was staying in had conked out, and the restaurant I was eating in took only cash (like lots of the places there, it was a real step back in time). It was a right palaver, which required me to ask a taxi to park illegally at the next resort while I literally legged it in 30c heat to another cashpoint. Cash is an antiquated system that – ironically – relies far too heavily on machines.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paging HYUFD.

Starmer leads Sunak by 17%, tying his largest ever lead over Sunak.

At this moment, which of the following do Britons think would be the better Prime Minister for the UK? (3 September)

Keir Starmer 46% (+2)
Rishi Sunak 29% (-5)

Changes +/- 27 August

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1698730191906889999

JosiasJessop said:

Cookie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cyclefree said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well this tweet from 2019 is going viral, Starmer has appointed a bigot as Shadow Justice Secretary.




https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1102715728489263116

Don't be silly. All education is age appropriate.

What is being objected to here and whether it was or was not age appropriate I cannot say. But the idea that the age of the child should not be taken into account when deciding on content and what is told to them and how does not automatically make one a bigot.

This is the context.

A primary school that taught pupils about homosexuality as part of a programme to challenge homophobia has stopped the lessons after hundreds of children were withdrawn by parents in protest.

Parkfield community school in Saltley, Birmingham, has been the scene of weekly protests over the lessons, which parents claim are promoting gay and transgender lifestyles.

In a letter to parents, the school said: “Up to the end of this term, we will not be delivering any No Outsiders lessons in our long-term year curriculum plan, as this half term has already been blocked for religious education (RE). Equality assemblies will continue as normal and our welcoming No Outsiders ethos will be there for all.”

On Friday about 600 Muslim children, aged between four and 11, were withdrawn from the school for the day, parents said. The school would not confirm the number.

The school made clear that it had never intended to continue the No Outsiders lessons this half term and confirmed that the lessons would resume only after a full consultation with every parent.

Last month, the Guardian reported that the assistant headteacher of the school was forced to defend the lessons after 400 predominantly Muslim parents signed a petition calling for them to be dropped from the curriculum.

Andrew Moffat, who was awarded an MBE for his work in equality education, said he was threatened and targeted via a leaflet campaign after the school piloted the No Outsiders programme. Its ethos is to promote LGBT equality and challenge homophobia in primary schools.

Moffat, the author of Challenging Homophobia in Primary Schools who is currently shortlisted for a world’s best teacher award, resigned from another primary school – Chilwell Croft academy, also in Birmingham – after a similar dispute with Muslim and Christian parents.

Parents have been protesting outside the Saltley school, which is rated as outstanding by Ofsted. At one protest they held signs that read “say no to promoting of homosexuality and LGBT ways of life to our children”, “stop exploiting children’s innocence”, and “education not indoctrination”.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/04/birmingham-school-stops-lgbt-lessons-after-parent-protests

Is homophobia in Primary Schools a problem then? Is it a problem bug enough that it needs regular "equalities assemblies"? This looks to me very much like a solution in search of a problem.

IMV kids, when born, don't particularly have any biases. You see young babies, toddlers and kids play with each other regardless of gender, colour, religion, or even disability. Therefore biases and prejudices such as homophobia are learnt. So questions are *when* and *where* are they learnt?

I daresay we all on PB are *excellent* people, who taught, or will teach, our kids all about different people from ourselves. Many kids don't have such excellent parents; and instead have parents who pass on all sorts of nastiness, such as homophobia, racism, sexism, etc.

I'd argue the sooner these prejudices are counteracted, the better. And that's a job that can best be done at school.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well this tweet from 2019 is going viral, Starmer has appointed a bigot as Shadow Justice Secretary.




https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1102715728489263116

ydoethur said:

I think I have some sympathy for Gillian Keegan. It isn't altogether her fault.

The DfE, none at all. If they hadn't made a botched reform to academy chains, grossly underfunded them and forced them to pursue expensive short term goals at the expense of longer term sustainability than we might not be in this mess to start with.

You can't tell somebody they're doing a good job and/or getting a grip on something when they're clearly not doing so.

Leon said:

Crikey. It’s not bourgeois. Reminds me of Hereford 30-40 years ago. Snaggle toothed farmers and their tattooed wives/dogs in front of 13th century pubs

Leon said:

Crikey. It’s not bourgeois. Reminds me of Hereford 30-40 years ago. Snaggle toothed farmers and their tattooed wives/dogs in front of 13th century pubs

Gardenwalker said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

I think I have some sympathy for Gillian Keegan. It isn't altogether her fault.

The DfE, none at all. If they hadn't made a botched reform to academy chains, grossly underfunded them and forced them to pursue expensive short term goals at the expense of longer term sustainability than we might not be in this mess to start with.

You can't tell somebody they're doing a good job and/or getting a grip on something when they're clearly not doing so.

I have just listened to Gillian Keegan at the dispatch box and frankly, her knowledge of the subject, and detail was very impressive

Indeed, while not excusing her off camera rant, anyone could see why she was so frustrated with so many who frankly do not have her grasp of the subject

It is the first time I have heard her and considering the pressure she is under her performance was very good

No doubt you were similarly gracious when Gordon Brown was campaigning for an election shortly after the biggest financial collapse since 1929.

bigjohnowls said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bigjohnowls said:

2020 "no stepping back from our core principles"



2023 "we will step back from all of our core principles’



GE 2024 Vote for us we have principles

BJO = Green Tory... green with envy regarding the Labour opinion poll ratings versus the Greens!

My Valentines Poem to Sunil

Tories are Red Tories are Blue

You can vote for either they are Tories like you.

Tories are Green, like BJO.

You are a bit of a dunce.

If they were Tories I wouldnt be campaigning for them and you would be voting for them

Leon said:

Ludlow it is! A foaming pint of virtual perry for @Carnyx and a faux thimble of Ludlow gin for @boulay

What a stunning little town

My hotel in the first pic is Dinham Weir House

Here’s my room in case anyone is scared that I’m suffering unduly on my Official Gazette Welsh Marches Road Trip

Leon said:

Benpointer said:

Leon said:

Ludlow it is! A foaming pint of virtual perry for @Carnyx and a faux thimble of Ludlow gin for @boulay

What a stunning little town

My hotel in the first pic is Dinham Weir House

Here’s my room in case anyone is scared that I’m suffering unduly on my Official Gazette Welsh Marches Road Trip

We were in Ludlow for a weekend a month ago. It's alright - nothing to write home about though.

It’s architecturally exquisite! A completely unharmed 13th-19th century English market town with the Shropshire hills at the end of every road

John Betjeman called it the “prettiest town in England”

However it definitely feels a lot poorer than somewhere like Hereford. Indeed, as I say, it reminds me of Hereford three decades ago - before it was gentrified

Gardenwalker said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

I think I have some sympathy for Gillian Keegan. It isn't altogether her fault.

The DfE, none at all. If they hadn't made a botched reform to academy chains, grossly underfunded them and forced them to pursue expensive short term goals at the expense of longer term sustainability than we might not be in this mess to start with.

You can't tell somebody they're doing a good job and/or getting a grip on something when they're clearly not doing so.

I have just listened to Gillian Keegan at the dispatch box and frankly, her knowledge of the subject, and detail was very impressive

Indeed, while not excusing her off camera rant, anyone could see why she was so frustrated with so many who frankly do not have her grasp of the subject

It is the first time I have heard her and considering the pressure she is under her performance was very good

No doubt you were similarly gracious when Gordon Brown was campaigning for an election shortly after the biggest financial collapse since 1929.

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bigjohnowls said:

2020 "no stepping back from our core principles"



2023 "we will step back from all of our core principles’



GE 2024 Vote for us we have principles

BJO = Green Tory... green with envy regarding the Labour opinion poll ratings versus the Greens!

My Valentines Poem to Sunil

Tories are Red Tories are Blue

You can vote for either they are Tories like you.

Tories are Green, like BJO.

You are a bit of a dunce.

If they were Tories I wouldnt be campaigning for them and you would be voting for them

Is that an "I know you are, you said you are, but what am I" response?

Whats next? "Your mum?"

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

I think I have some sympathy for Gillian Keegan. It isn't altogether her fault.

The DfE, none at all. If they hadn't made a botched reform to academy chains, grossly underfunded them and forced them to pursue expensive short term goals at the expense of longer term sustainability than we might not be in this mess to start with.

You can't tell somebody they're doing a good job and/or getting a grip on something when they're clearly not doing so.

I have just listened to Gillian Keegan at the dispatch box and frankly, her knowledge of the subject, and detail was very impressive

Indeed, while not excusing her off camera rant, anyone could see why she was so frustrated with so many who frankly do not have her grasp of the subject

It is the first time I have heard her and considering the pressure she is under her performance was very good

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well this tweet from 2019 is going viral, Starmer has appointed a bigot as Shadow Justice Secretary.




https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1102715728489263116

The problem for Labour is that socially conservative Muslims and the LGBT community are both key parts of their core vote